Three still in the frame for Everton job

Get Lampard in, get him to get some players in, we then survive.

He's available!

Ian, in the absence of a board or a director of football, an ad hoc transfer committee of Doris the tea lady, young Jimmy Kelly (apprentice ball boy) and the homeless fella who sits in front of the Winslow are dealings with incomings and outgoings.

If he is so good a manager, why did he miss out on these five Premier League jobs in the last year?

Norwich
Crystal Palace
Aston Villa
Newcastle
Watford

As well as:

Celtic
Rangers

He wouldn't be my pick and I think Moshiri would be making another big mistake by appointing him.

In some cases he declared he wasn't interested, so wasn't even interviewed. In other cases (and you can add Norwich to the mix) he was approached, talked to and then declared he was not interested.

Why should that exclude him from consideration for the Everton job?

And I write as someone who is ambivalent to him becoming our manager, not someone championing for him.

If he sees Everton as the right project long term then surely that's a good thing isn't it? If everything he said is a total lie then we'll never believe anyone but that is essentially what he said.

He clearly doesn't want to be a butterfly manager moving from club to club to club. If you are older you can afford to move around. You don't have serious family considerations to think about. Neil Warnock, Fat Sam etc will move anywhere won't they. Their wives don't give a shit, the monies rolling in, they get some peace and quiet etc.

I think he sees us as a real prospect for success. I get less than that from a Pereira appointment. I see that for him as cash, cash, cash and if I fail, who gives a shit, I'll be loaded.

I don't see Lampard as that kind of person or at that stage of what he wants to be a successful career in football management, the same as Gerrard at AstonVilla. He's not there for the money but it's just my opinion.

Pereira on the other hand, seems to be another mercenary looking to make easy £millions, and will disappear at the first whiff of failure.

Tongue in cheek – Maybe Graeme Sharp, to earn his corn as we have not heard one word from his since his elevation to the Boardroom, can then open negotiations with Mr. Abramovich at Stamford Bridge to transfer the banner proclaiming "Frank Lamprad – Chelsea Legend", which has perpetual placing on "The Shed End" stand for resiting at Goodison Park, with the necessary amendments of course!

As Larry David would say, "Prrrittty, prrritty goood".

Sorry, fellow TWers, you gotta have a laugh throughout this awful campaign or you would just go mad!!

"Yeah, I've been speaking to a couple of clubs at different times," Lampard told Gary Neville during an interview on the Overlap.

"Some didn't feel right for me. I'm not going to go into that because it has gone now. I don't want to sound overly selective either because if you want to be selective in football and look at any job at face value then there would be good and bad about it.

The job is there for a reason. It's open for a reason be it the squad, results - I'm not scared about that. It just needs to feel right, the people you work with. It sounds a little bit cringy but the vision - what do they want from you, the expectations. 

I'm fortunate to be in a place where I want to work but I'm not desperate to work. I want to try and get the right place."

What have they being doing for the last week??? Surely in any high profile job (or any job for that matter), you draw up a list of candidates, interview them, then make a shortlist for second interview. Then, if for whatever reason your first choice doesn't take the job, you have backup waiting.

We've seemingly already decided on Pereira, then due to the backlash have panicked and pulled the plug. Now going back to Lampard. It's all just shockingly unprofessional.

With that in mind, I'm nailing my colours to the mast and saying we should try to get Frank Lampard in my the end of the day. His contacts and knowledge of the English game mean for me that he is our best chance of signing the two players we need before the deadline.

Separately, and I know it won't happen, but I would love to get Idrissa Gueye back on loan for the rest of the season if PSG could spare him for a few months.

"It (his next job) just needs to feel right, the people you work with. It sounds a little bit cringy but the vision - what do they want from you, the expectations. "

Does it sound like he's describing Everton?

This just highlights the incompetence and confusion of a dysfunctional club. They need a blast of reality, this is not one of the top jobs in world football – it's a mess. They will put candidates off with their farcical antics.

For example, you'd have thought that they would have had a shortlist before firing Benitez – I mean, you could see in December that the writing was on the wall.

Given our lack of midfield options he could even play. But let's hope that he is in place before the weekend and if he comes he will certainly have my full support as I he he was very unlucky to be sacked by Chelsea.

It will be an enormous job for anybody given the mess the club is currently in. So let's get him appointed and get back to playing football, all the news from the last few days has been embarrassing for our once successful and respected club.

You could be right. They are probably all interviewing their favourites separately. Fans of other clubs must be logging in with glee for a daily laugh at all of this.

What was that cringeworthy statement from Kenwright: 'What would Everton do?' Do the opposite and you'll be okay.

People talk about the big man not having enough experience for the permanent manager's job but Lampard does not have much more himself. If we are going to go relatively untested, why not go with Dunc – someone who gets the club and will unite us all?

On a more worrying note, looks like the barcodes are going to get Guimaeres and more than likely Dan Burn from Brighton. Our game against them is looking more and more like the match of our season. We really need to get someone in place and beg, borrow or steal some midfield reinforcements.

If he gets the job, supporters need to get real about what is possible with this squad of players.

We have made ourselves a laughing stock with changing the manager every time there's a protest.

What he has got going for him is that he is young, has new ideas, likes to give youth a chance, did well at derby but probably the Chelsea job came too early for him.

Would be interesting to see what he can get out of what is basically a bunch of failed players who lack attacking ideas.

If you get the job, Frank, then good luck to you, you're going to need lots of it.
COYB

We really need to hope we can drag Brentford, Palace and Leeds into this, and that we finish ahead of 3 of them + Watford, Burnley and Norwich.

That can be done, but not without a fit midfield. Gomes, Allan and Gbamin need complimenting quickly before Monday. A central defensive midfielder, a box-to-box or a passer. Doesn't matter, we need at least one.

Loftus-Cheek would do for starters, I'd also swallow my pride and welcome Barkley back – they are both head and shoulders above the current incumbents.

He is a man who has intelligence, and he is a good communicator. He was a midfielder and has lots of footy contacts. This would be just what we need. He might bring some sanity to the cuckoo's nest.

We already have El Ghazi on loan which means we are only allowed one other loan signing under Premier League rules.

I did wonder whether the Dobbin news signalled that Lampard had already got the job.

Out of a lot of mediocre options, this is looking like the best outcome. I'm not convinced – but I do think he's a better fit than others who seem closely linked. Keep us in the Premier League, Mr Lampard.

'You took the words right out of my mouth' – as the recently-departed and much-lamented Meatloaf [RIP] would have said!!

Fans didn't like Big Fat Sam and the Fat Spanish Waiter. What will they make of Fat Frankie?!

I haven't got a clue but it could make a big difference because of Lampards's ranking as an English international footballer. Not dismissing him as a manager; if he signs, I, obviously, hope that he gets us out of this desperate position we are in.

I would imagine he is a better choice than the man from Portugal but I haven't got a clue about him other than he seems to be foisted on us by a very dodgy, money grabbing agent.

I think a lot of us are in the dark with nearly all matters about the club, delighted or very disappointed when the news finally comes out.

Young, hungry, ambitious, point to prove, worked with youngsters, knows how a midfield works, big name, intelligent and clearly wants the job despite the crazy ongoings!

We need this done today and 2 midfielders signed by Monday. Maybe from Chelsea? Loftus-Cheek??

Despite Abramovich sacking managers on a regular basis cant remember him having a list of candidates, he sacked one manager and replaced him with another very quickly. Likewise, Levy at Spurs sacks a manager one day and announces his replacement a day or so later, it's called forward planning, not the Moshiri has ever done forward planning.

So we have 4 days left of the last transfer market before the end of the season, and we still haven't appointed a manager who can get a player or 2 on loan as seems to be the only option available to us.

The sacking of Benitez couldn't have been done at a better time, as we had over a fortnight before we played another league game so, if the appointment had been made swiftly, he would have had plenty of time to assess the squad, and make any moves in the market he saw fit.

Right now, I wouldn't know who the clowns that run our club will appoint or when they will make that appointment. But knowing this pair, I wouldn't mind betting it's after the window closes.

Someone needs to do a deep dive into Duncan's purpose and role at Everton, if he is content to hide in the shadows. But that's for another day.

Frank Lampard simply has to be the choice. This Pereira fella doesn't even have the job, went rogue, and jumped on the radio waves to basically sell himself. This kind of personality is NOT needed in a relegation scrap. He's a fucking nutter, and has accomplished the whole sum of fuck all when you look at what he's done, where, and with which Club. I'm sorry, but winning two years in the Turkish league after years of domination, and then getting canned / leaving when the tea leaves and table clearly read you're not going to three-peat and you've overseen a gradual decline away from the top? That's not a real stellar record. And this is the premier league, with a team fighting for it's life. SOME familiarity with the league would be nice in this situation. And if any of my Pereira career stats above are wrong, somebody correct me on the specifics, but the over-arching point still stands.

Frank will get us playing good football. His Chelsea teams I really, really enjoyed watching. I kept thinking if Chelsea were patient, they had a former player-now manager legend in the making. Of course, being Chelsea, patience isn't a virtue.

I think Frank has it in him to be one of England's better managers when all is said and done many moons from now. We need to hire this guy and start to build a playing style and identity under him.

The other fella's a fraud. The rest of the options are "hell no" or they honestly aren't interested and we'd need to "pull a Koeman" to get them here. That equates to a hard pass.

Frank, all day, it's obvious to me.

But Everton.needs alots of changes in the Management of the Club.A Manager will.not be able to do that.IMO the Supporters would get behind Lampard, taking the Manager out of the equation.for necessary change, and give some consistency to the playing side.

Confrontation by using the Manager to push through change did not work.

Given that Everton seem to have said they're making an appointment by the weekend, and given that Pereira made a fool of himself on Sky yesterday, Lampard being at the club today smacks of contract talks, not whether he wants the job.

He obviously wants the job, otherwise why would be be talking to the club again?

I reckon it's a done deal and he'll be Everton manager before the weekend.

Good points, fully agree, let's hope so!

But Jesus above, what we've seen from this shower of shite and circus, I feel like literally anything can happen.

WTF has it got to do with him?

I'm not decrying either of these 2 forms of protest, but why is the board so pathetic? I wonder if the graffiti had mentioned Mike Bassett instead of Lampard would we have had sky sports stationed outside Finch Farm reporting that Ricky Tomlinson had turned up to be met with the warmest of welcomes by a teary Kenshite, who would claim the only reason Benitez was ever appointed was to get the fans used to a red in the dugout.

I'd still be happy to give him a try.

Fingers crossed he comes.

My main concern is that his Chelsea team leaked goals for fun so what the hell is he gonna do with our lot.

For me it’s an ambitious appointment but not without risk of course. But he always struck me as an intelligent and thoughtful type, he was a leader on the pitch and he has football in his blood.

Got to be better than the feller who got a side relegated to Germany’s third tier.

Can anyone confirm please ?

I want in the first instance to get an Everton team that aims for a place in the top six by playing good football - that would be a return to the Everton I grew up supporting.

To retain the West Ham theme, in the excellent book about Harry Catterick, there is one tale of Ron Greenwood approaching Harry after a game at Upton Park and saying "wow - what wonderful stuff" after an Everton victory - given the credentials of Greenwood at the time as a lover of attractive football, that was praise indeed after a defeat. Oh for those days to return at some point.

Yes thats what I have seen, its come from a source on twitter that have been spot on so far with other Everton stories

Even allowing for the madness of such markets, he looks likely.

Regarding Duncan, I like him, he loves the club and he has given his all whenever he has had the opportunity since he joined the staff. He may even be capable of keeping us up but we need a permanent manager asap and he is not the one.
As much as I rate him I can see why Lampard (or Rooney) does not want him as an assistant. The new manager must quickly gain the loyalty of the players and having Duncan around would make that job harder. Some of the players, DCL for instance, have had a very good relationship with Duncan and that could be a distraction for Frank. I think that it is important the the club treat Duncan with respect in how they deal with his reassignment or exit if they are to avoid pissing off more of his fans within and outside the club.

At one stage for example Vitor was 1/4 but is now out to 4/1. Lampard is now at 1/4. Kovacs (and Rooney) are both at 13/1.

As Betfair is an exchange you can both back and lay, and unlike a bookie there's no gubbing accounts or limiting stakes to small amounts. The potential then for chicanery is obviously enormous, and the motivation to do so self evident.

Start a rumour, get it in a national tabloid and count your profits. It's just about creating steam and causing the drift in punting parlance.

Will be interesting to see who eventually gets the job, and what price Betfair was offering. The beguiling diversity of choices and seeming pivots from one possible candidate to another should also be viewed through this prism as well.

Yes the club is poorly run and incompetent, but a lot of the shite we've been hearing almost certainly had nothing whatsoever to do with the club itself. Rumours from "reliable sources" within the club might also be given a grain or six of salt before consumption either. Starting a false rumour and laying the steam would be the only way to profit off inside information and not spend the rest of your days looking over your shoulder for the fraud squad.

Our defense is a mess and Lampard found ways to make even the likes of Thiago Silva and Rudiger look shakey.

Hopefully he’s learnt a lot in the last year or because I don’t see his work at Derby or Chelsea as being that promising. It seems a big risk to me (though every manager is) and I’d have plucked for someone a bit more proven myself (I hope they at least sounded out Favre).

But first go for Martinez, and well, we had a sit-in protest to remove him 6 years ago, so that didn't go down well.

Then we are linked with Rooney, and well, the inexperienced former Manchester United legend cutting his teeth at a struggling Premier League club didn't quite fill us with confidence.

Then go for a looney Portuguese with a questionable track record and even more questionable temperement.

Add in some strange interviews with managers from China with our favourite agent representing them.

All of a sudden Lampard is the golden boy, the man to lead us to greatness, our white knight.

Like sam says above,the idea of Lampard is appealing: young, progressive and someone to build over a number of years. But yes, his tactical knowledge was brought into question when at Chelsea, and their defence was terrible (considering the players). Does that write him off? Not necesserily, again, not being good enough to win the league or champions league doent mean he's not good enough for us we're in a very different situation.

He was out of his depth at Chelsea, and competing against seasoned winners in Guardiola and Klopp. At Everton he's not competing with them, he's (immediately) competing with Dyche, Howe and co, and in medium term (hopefully), with Moyes, Potter, Gerrard, Lage and co.

The Athletic. Clickbait and nothing else

Actually, you've hit on something.

Maybe Mosh had Lampard in mind all along... and executed a carefully considered plan of interviewing various numpties so that we'd welcome Lampard as a savior.

Wow, Mosh is brilliant.

Everton will conduct their latest round of managerial interviews on Friday, with Frank Lampard and Vitor Pereira still both in the frame to replace Rafa Benitez.

It is believed that Everton owner Farhad Moshiri is returning to the United Kingdom for the next round of interviews as the Premier League side continue to search for a new manager.

We've got like what, two Scousers on the squad with Davies and JJK?

Even if Everton see an influx of Cockneys, who are they going to offend?? It's two players everyone on TW wants rid of FFS!

😂

This from ElBobble on Twitter. He's been early and right on Simms and Dobbin this week.

The Bobble
@ElBobble
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Everton and Frank Lampard are in advanced negotiations to appoint the former Chelsea and England player as the new Everton manager, after another interview. Terms are now to be discussed between the two parties.

I think people will warm to Frank very, very quickly. He's a manager that won't fracture the fanbase, or just flat piss them off.

I've said this often, but man the style of football he played at Chelsea would be SO welcome at Goodison after just years of turgid shit.

Others have pointed out, and I think it is very valid, he did leak goals. I've seen Evertonians turn on managers who do so in the past, and I'm a bit concerned about it. But I do NOT think Lampard is akin to a Bobby Brown Shoes in the least.

I'm very excited about this appointment if it comes off, which I pray it will.

Jesus how do I miss that?

I failed Latin GCE O level miserably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Cortese

He rebuilt Southampton from despair

Bin bill & ben & little weed

Give Nicola Cortese the brief and stick with him
HANDS away.

Otherwise, Everton you're Titanic

I would like to know if he has not been considered, or has made it known he does not want the job.

If it is the latter then we need to move him on and let Frank or whoever gets the job, bring their own number two in.

If they have not considered him, then the same again, on both accounts we need to know why.

Frank seems like the logical choice of the ones available.

Shame about Doucoure we will miss him, plus we are still without the Icelander.
I still think we will stay up comfortably even with our present injuries, call me complacent if you want but a couple of wins will see us well up the table.

Also, as irrelevant as this seems, it's a name the media love. It put's Everton in the eye for the right reasons. He is nationally popular. I feel dirty for saying it, but a good PR move.

It's interesting because this is similar to Villa appointing Gerrard. I'm probably over-analysing, but had Lampard come to someone like Everton after Derby, he would still be on course for his dream job as Gerrard still is.

On the fence, but willing to give this a chance as I always do. Well, what else can I do?

I want a manager that other people hate.

If Frank is that, I'm all for it.

They may never have won anything but they still keep producing good players.

If Keane, Holgate, Iwobi, Gomes, never play for us again, and the youngsters replace them, I'm all for it.

. Now clear the decks for him to bring in his own coaching staff and hire a DOF who answers only to Moshiri.

If we can get this over the line all of the angst will have been worth it.

Yes - I'm with the majority, I think. But I've been saying Lampard for ages (assuming we can't get Zidane). Sadly NSNO isn't an option for us with everything right now - we're going to have to move towards it... He may not be perfect but I think he'll do more to get a youngsters going than many of the others - and we need that. OK he failed to with the quadruple at Chelsea, lost a few matches and was sacked. It happens. I'll settle for a treble. Frankly (see what I did there?) I'll settle for 16th at the end of the season, by which time lots of contracts have expired and we have time, and FFP capacity, to make changes.

I understand people wanting Dunc. I understand people not wanting him (as manager) too. Doesn't matter - it's clearly not happening. My view? Some people are great cheerleaders but not necessarily great leaders. I suspect the manager/coach's job requires a bit more management. Both things matter to us for different reasons.

One thing no-one's talking about is Baines. He needs to chance to develop our defence a bit better and if memory serves, Lampard will know him well from the England set-up and I think that'll help. No idea if I'll be proved right though!

So let's get this done, and give a proven midfielder (you have to give him that!) the chance to bring in someone before Monday ends. If he brings Terry with him, so much the better. You want passion - I suspect he'd have the same impact of our defence as Dunc has on the offence

make no mistake, not everyone in big-six Cosyville will like the idea of a "Good London boy" with past connections to one of the big six, coming to Everton. Will cause some mental contradictions in some within the media, whether they show it or not. Could be fun.

Mike Dolan; can I correct you slightly? Hire a DoF who REPORTS to Moshiri. Not answers. He reports back, informs and updates. "Everything is fine boss, go and enjoy your yacht. Once you've signed off this next cheque. Trust me".

whoever it is finally, two years is a more realistic start if true. We've more than paid our dues with gift contracts.

My only concern with Lampard is he might want uncle ‘arry as DoF and cousin Jamie as his assistant. That would be as bad as seeing Sammy the red goblin on the sidelines!!

Appoint:
Harry Catterick
Howard Kendall mk1
Joe Royle
And
Appoint ALL of the above and they'd bloody struggle.
Simply because mish-mash, silly billy & little weed have created a culture of abject and repeated failure.

Everton need to face up to REALITY and a Manager alone isn't enough.

We need a Boardroom rinsed clean and a Top Drawer CEO able to lead without twiddling hands.

Evertons Boardroom is Miss Haversham
Time for REVOLUTION AND EVOLUTION

Kick OUT SILLY BILLY

HALLELUYA !!!!

Mosh has BECOME the problem.
BUT
SIlly billy took a thousand years to find "the perfect owner" !!!
By who's standards bill ?
By YOURS bill
NOT Evertons !

I do think he could attract a few up and coming players, be that on loan or transfer.

And when we win the FA Cup, he could repeat his and his father's celebration around the corner flag.

Getting ahead of myself considering I'm on the fence with this one.

We may not know as much as we'd like about his managerial capabilities -- nothing about his Chelsea or Derby experiences is comparable to our situation -- but we do know that he would check one big box that has stood empty at Everton for years.

Leadership.

It's been a long, long time since we had a true leader of men in this club, either on the pitch or on the touchline. A man the players would follow into the line of fire. A Zidane, or a Keane, or a Conte, or a f---ing John Terry. (I always add that word to any mention of Terry.)

Lampard is a man that other men follow. That certainly does not ensure his success, but it would sure as hell be nice to have in the club. For a change.

"...not a real stellar record. And this is the premier league, with a team fighting for it's life..."

Think that should read "...club..." and I really believe that. I think our club is teetering on the brink.

I'm reading continual posts here as you Blues fiddle-faddle about management appointments.

Why ?
No new manager will make any bloody difference at Everton.
NONE.

Because mosh, bill & denise know less than the square root of minus fuckall how to run a scuccessful EPLClub.

Yet, you lot discuss potential managers.
Their pro's & cons.
But.
The overarching factors are.
CRETINS in The Boardroom.

Appoint fuckin Gandalf as manager and the true problem remains identical.

He was an intelligent player indeed. And he had a hell of a shot on him too. I'm still fuming about Lescott allowing Drogba an olympic long jumper type of run on him for the equaliser, but you couldn't doubt the quality of Lampard's winner.

Lampard Rant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1x3XDbfqGg

I think that's make sense, Danny. Not yet appointed but as I say I wouldn't be unhappy with this. Not as if we've got lots of top-end managers queuing up to join us.

Anyway Lampard would have to still be with us come the end of the season for that to be an issue.

The benefits I see from Lampard is that he has a good relationship with Chelsea so I would hope he could bring someone like Loftus-Cheek or Barkley, or even both on loan! We can live in hope.

Another benefit I see is that he is a good communicator and should be able to get his views across quickly.

Another positive I see, is that I think he'll immediately have the players respect while I'm not sure that would be the case with Periera.

As for drawbacks, he's not been in this position since he was a player and known as Fat Frank all the way back in his West Ham days.

Even if he does keep us up, I think he'll need to show a sea change in performances, because if Rooney does keeps Derby up he will be seen as the man in waiting for many. This is why I think a 5 month appointment of Favre, and I hate to say it, even Big Sam, would have been the most assured way of keeping us up.

The other negative for Frank is that he's cockney dyed in the wool Tory, but as I say, he's the lesser of two evils for me.

He's not a bad appointment but doesn't strike me as an Everton manager, nor a long term appointment but I could be wrong.

Lets remember all the furore that went on when the fans knew he was talking to Benitez but he still went ahead and appointed him.

He may be been better coming into a fresh challenge in the summer, not into a poorly performing, injury ravaged squad.

I'd rather keep Dunc until the summer.

If he's retained in any capacity, it will suggest that the new appointment is not serious. A professional manager would not countenance having to put up with Ferguson. They would surely want their own team.

Michael Connelly @149 – I agree totally with your rationale for appointing Frank Lampard – he probably isn't a long-term answer but, as you say, the preservation of Premier League status is the critical overriding factor. Whilst nothing is guaranteed, he would be more likely to succeed than any of the other names supposedly in the frame.

Mike Gaynes @140 – In all honesty, I have to confess that I very often disagree with your comments but, on this occasion, I wholeheartedly concur with you that Lampard is very much a leader and that this quality of leadership is desperately required now. He reminds me so much of the late Jimmy Gabriel in his heyday, a fighter who never gave up and that attribute is so necessary now.

He’s not desperate and not short of a few bob. Maybe more so than with other candidates it’s Moshiri/Kenwright/Usmanov who will be having to sell Everton to him.
Usmanov is old pals with Abramovich since the 1980s so Lampard’s hardly an unknown entity. So why not have him lined up 2 weeks ago? Maybe contract issues? If you’ve forked out the best part of £50m in termination payments it’s right to be wary.

Anyway pure conjecture. It’s going to be a pretty tough job for whoever comes in.

Will our next shirt sponsor be confused.com??

If they’re making it anyone from outside, 6-18 months max. contract. Everything linked to performance.

For the love of Howard, get whoever it is a top midfielder (or two) before Tuesday.

But seeing as it's been raised, I would just counter the London Tory narrative. Historically, just as in all British cities, the Conservatives struggle and it is a majority Labour voting city. Pockets of Conservative on the fringes and Liberals around Hampton Court and Kingston upon Thames, but mainly Labour.

And if I may, there is often a different type of right wing voter down here from working class areas than the stereotypical "Tory Toff" that many portray.

They (London) voted 60% against Brexit with a population of nearly 9 million which compares to Scotland's much vocalised hysteria of a 62% vote against with a almost only half that population.

London doesn't always fit the Tory narrative. Far from it if you see some of the districts and areas.

Anyway, back to the football. Lampard is an East London boy. I think he would warm to Everton and us to him. Still on the fence though!!

As for Lampard time at Derby, he was given one of their biggest transfer and wage spend in their history. He bought in good championship players like Waghorn and highly rated youngsters like Jozefzoon, he was able to add the talented Harry Wilson on loan along with Mount and Tomori who may have been Chelsea reserves but were clearly 2 of the most talented players to grace the Championship. With all that talent he took a Derby team that had finished 6th the season before to the dizzy heights of, well, 6th. They had a decent play-offs and lost to a good Villa team but I struggle to see how that constitutes success? Dunno if you’re a fan of xP and xG but Derby were around 19th for both that season, which suggests they were very lucky indeed to finish 6th.

Plus he had one of the lowest points per game records of any Chelsea manager in the last decade.

I can’t say it leaves me feeling hugely optimistic.

Hey, maybe Moshiri could be a celebrity appearance on I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.

It's all banter I know. At Chelsea, we were giving them Chelsea Rent Boys, they were giving us "we pay your benefits" etc. Even though half of them come from terraced houses in Battersea or council homes in Hayes.

I coached some great kids down here, some from very deprived backgrounds and poor families. I spent time and a lot of my own money picking them up, paying for them and educating them so I could get them on a football pitch.

Sorry for getting defensive!!

Once an appointment is made I'd like to hear why that individual was selected. And I don't want to hear gushing tales about 'as soon as we met him we knew he was the one'. I want to know what it was about his intent that aligned with what Everton are trying to achieve.

Because it feels like we flip flopped between massively different options again. Almost as if there was no coherent plan.

Lampard was not my first choice but, out of the two, it has to be him; he will know the players that we have and not spend games that we haven't got getting to know them.

Me and my lad jumped up in the pub when we scored. A Millwall fan told me he was going to "smash me up".

I told him he wasn't going to. And told him to sit down. He did.

I'll exclude them too!!

This is a Wikipedia entry for Duncan with a reference to a story in the Daily Telegraph:

Having spent five years in Mallorca following his retirement from playing, Ferguson contacted his former manager at Everton, David Moyes. Ferguson asked if he could work with the Everton academy students at Finch Farm.[45]

Initially Ferguson was a voluntary worker at the academy, working for Alan Irvine, a former mentor of his from his playing career.

How does this jive with the skint and bankrupt story?

He appears to be the ‘unity’ candidate, a nice guy, offensive to nobody. His comparatively brief experience as a manager may not have prepared him for what he is about to walk into; a club in turmoil on and off the pitch. I doubt he will have encountered anything like it in his playing or managerial career. We can only hope he is fully aware of, and ready to deal with the magnitude of the task in front of him.

I'll get my coat.

Lampard is seen as someone who knows something about the football that Everton can play. If he can bring his know-how to bear on midfield and get Everton playing reasonable football, he may be able to turn things around or lay down some badly needed foundations.

He won't be a pawn for either Kenwright or Moshiri, concentrating on the football. I think that we are all aware of that danger. The wider fan base will keep the pressure on for more governance and accountability from the board and Moshiri, which has to be on-going.

I don't think that Lampard will allow interference in transfers. I am hoping he can establish a structure to allow young players to play in the first team. This currently does not exist to the extent that it should. He will not be a divisive figure to be looked upon as a threat and should get and maintain the fans' support.

What’s the remit Farhad? Just coach the players, and let Kia, come and see me when he needs to help a few of his clients out, Vitor.

What’s the remit Farhad? Stay on as first team coach, because you never know when you’re going to be needed again Duncan, mate.

I hope picking the new manager, runs very smoothly tomorrow, but after what John and Peter have said, I’d be very surprised if this is going to be the case.

Duncan is first to be called into the main room and recites a bit of Burns

"When chapman billies leave the street,
And drouthy neebors, neebors meet,
As market-days are wearing late...

Before he can continue, Moshiri interupts "well thanks for that Duncan, very very interesting, can you send Ramparts in next? thanks!

As they are all waiting for Frank, they all huddle together and whisper, do you think Duncan is Okay?, He's not having a stroke is he? He hasn't fallen off the wagon has he? before they can explore Duncan's state further, Frank knocks at the door.

"Come in lad" says Bill, I'll put the spotlight on for you. Frank is dressed in a dinner suit and top-hat, and has a glass walking stick, as soon as the spotlight hits him he bursts into song.

Have you seen the well-to-do
Up and down Park Avenue
On that famous thoroughfare
With their noses in the air
High hats and Arrow collars
White spats and lots of dollars
Spending every dime
For a wonderful time

If you're blue and you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits
Puttin' on the ritz

Frank's voice isn't what any of them expected as it's a cross between Sid James and Frankie Howerd and completely out of tune.

Bill: "Thanks Frank, good effort lad, we'll call you back shortly, can you send that crazy guy in who's in the middle of eating my gold-fish?

Denise: "Didn't Frank look handsome? I know his voice wasn't great, but really he should be the one we choose."

Mosh: "No decisions yet Denise, we still have to see Kia's mate, sorry the final candidate."

Vitor bursts through the door, riding a small donkey, he snarls a lot and begins shouting "Viva La Revolution", then settles down to begin singing "O Meu Caminho" (My Way) which begins to sound menacing to the assembled audience as it's a performance more akin to Sid Viscious than Frank Sinatra.

Moshiri's completely spellbound with the performance and leaps to his feet, "Bravo, Bravo, Vitor, Magnifico!", but at that moment the Donkey decides to relieve itself all over Farhad's custom made 20 thousand pound shoes, which stops Vitor in his tracks "I sorry Mr. Moshiri, I thought he was a tame, I will buy you a new pair in the morning" Bill pipes up "Who the hell's gonna pay for the carpet, Jenny will go mental!"

Moshiri sits down with his head in his hands, "Bill why did you get me involved in this mess, I used to be a happy-go-lucky guy, I liked balancing the books and searching for that odd missing invoice, it's all too much.."

Bill replies "it's always about you isn't it? All about your needs, your wants". "What about me, I used to get respect and adulation, I was a success, before you came in, interfering, and asking for strange auditions for everybody, Brands hates you after you made him demonstrate his clog-dancing skills at Finch Farm, and you upset Carlo by asking him to do magic tricks at that birthday party. "

Moshiri: "Denise get them all a taxi and send them all home, put it on Bill's account, and bring in that deck of cards when they've all gone, we'll do what we usually do, highest card wins".

"I'm for the crazy guy on the Donkey, you want Rampart and Bill will stick with Duncan like he always does."

"After we decide, I'm off back to Monaco, I'll ring Jim and tell him who we've chosen." Bill: "what about the carpet? What About Jenny?" "Goodnight Bill, I'll see you in a few months, Goodnight Denise."

I could understand that with Norwich and definitely Watford but not any of the other jobs. Certainly not the Newcastle, Aston Villa, or Crystal Palace jobs.

Given the current state of Everton Football Club I find it hard to understand how we would suddenly become the right fit - by the way I am not saying he has lied about those other jobs Mark.

I will give Frank Lampard one thing though - if he wants it, he is game because it is one hell of a turn around project and has the real potential for a big blot on his CV.

If Pereira still wants it, which apparently he does, then he is either even more game than Lampard or completely off his rocker.

8:30 am as I write this in SE Australia so I have another day to wait to see who our next manager will be. Whoever it is I will be more enthusiastic about it than I was when the news of our last managerial appointment broke.

Barry #196, thank you for the tour of the outer reaches of your mind. Do those mushrooms grow in your own garden?

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Give it Ferguson and put some Everton diehard ex players as advisors in as support.

Very relevant questions.That why fans have got behind Lampard, they don't want amature or old boy interference.I am concerned about transfers since I think this was a unlying problem for both Ancelotti and Benitez.I always felt that some transfered in players where getting selected on their outlay, rather than football merit.It is clear that Moshiri is trying to act independently and Kenwright has his agenda.Neither are in the best interests of the Everton Football team and Fans have identified that. Both Moshiri and Kenwright deserve the reputation they have now got and the pressure on them into the future.

Mad. Absolutely MAD game of football.

From the KO, Brazil right back Emerson Royal commits a stupid foul and gets a yellow card in the first 20 seconds. From the free kick, Ecuador should take the lead, but our former player Valencia wide open at the back post, heads wide.

On 6 minutes, corner to Brazil. Keeper gets a poor punch on it. Ball comes back to the corner taker Coutinho who puts it back into the mixer. The centre forward Cunha heads it goalwards. Stopped on the line, but Casemiro follows up to give Brazil the lead.

On 20 minutes, long through ball chased by Cunha flanked by two Ecuador defenders, but the keeper Dominguez comes charging out of his area - and karate kicks Cunha in the throat! Cunha has red welts and flesh wounds from the clash. Why the ref needs to go to VAR, heaven only knows. But a nailed on red card follows.

Free kick awarded on the edge of the area. Ecuador sub in a keeper. Woeful effort by Coutinho.

One minute later, Emerson Royal, already on a yellow, takes a wild swipe at the ball - which cathes the unfortunate Ecuador player right between the legs in - ehrm - a quite delicate area.

Royal's second yellow card inevitably follows. Red card. Ten men apiece.

Barely another five minutes go by and Alisson comes way out of his box to clear the ball with an extremely high kick. Valencia, running towards him laterally, is caught by Alisson's leg as it comes down. STRAIGHT RED FOR THE BRAZILIAN KEEPER!!!

Bedlam follows. A bit more contestable this one as Alisson clears the ball with Valencia a good yard or two away. Eventually, the ref is told to look at VAR, after which he overturns his red card and gives Alisson a yellow.

With all these delays, ten minutes were added to the end of the first half. Still 1-0 to Brazil. Still - just! - ten men aside.

Crackers.

Seems like our team is rubbing off on our favourite website. Sounds like a squad of football players I follow.

... so what criteria can we apply now???... knowledge of this league, contacts, intelligence but mostly the ability to put a team together is the main one for me, see what's going right and fix things which aren't quickly..I don't think you can do this without having been on the field yourself. The best managers were top players normally..

Lampard reminds me a bit of Moyes (compliment intended)..genuine, honest and more likely to succeed given his credentials.. and despite our chaos.. really though I just fancy his missus!

At least I hope he is.

You know Dunc would slit his wrists before he'd let us be relegated.

Lampard would also have a major vested interest in keeping us up. He doesn't want his name associated with a great, historic English club going down, and it would be a huge setback to his managerial career.

Pereira has zero stake in this. Relegation wouldn't even impact his reputation because, with all due respect, what reputation? Not saying he wouldn't give 100%, but do you honestly think he'd lose a wink of sleep if we go down? He'll just shrug and move on to the next job/payday. That's not the sort I want in charge, at least not at this crucial juncture.

I also agree with all those who are baffled by the appointments we have made. The Benitez situation was a pure disaster, which should never have happened. To appoint someone from "THAT" side was ridiculous. Even then many fans were willing to at least think that it might work. But it certainly did not.

I was on the side of appointing Ferguson until the end of this season. I have changed my mind completely and not because we lost to Villa. Ferguson himself made me do a 180 turn around. He NEVER gave the impression that he really ever wanted the job. I want a Manager who is more than just passionate about Everton. If that was the case we could appoint any Toffee Webber. I now think that Ferguson is not capable of actually managing the team and just wants to play the venquilotrist's dummy and be able to just sit next to whoever is there to manage the team.

At the present time I would support Lampard. I just feel he is the right sort of person. I want someone who can save Everton. No, I am still confused as to who is best bit he does seem better than anyone else

Since Moyes:-

Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti and Benitez, who have ruined and run our great club into the ground in collusion with the owner and the board. We need to get back to grass roots.

What identity do we have now? None! We never will have as long as we continue to appoint clueless foreign managers.

I sort of envy posters who still seem to harbour a hope that a briefly but modestly successful manager or two, or a skiving, convict, self-serving Kenwright lackey, or a bloke who as a legend for Manchester United is now beginning to cut his teeth as a manager, when he can free them from some floozy's nipples that is, as a manager to make things right.

This owner and chairman squeeze the hope right out of me. Anyone who reads the insightful, and they're really insightful on the atrocious way all parts of our so-called hierarchy have incompetently (to put it politely) behaved for many, many years, as recently posted by Paul the Esk, Simon Harrison (re his mate "Q") and, by no means least, Gerard McKean would surely see us the same way as I do.

If anyone still harbours a vestige of hope after reading those lads' pieces then take a look at what Colin Fitzgerald wrote in 2010 on this very site regarding Kenwright and maladroit (to put it politely) behaviour. Colin and TW could easily have been challenged by a lawsuit from Kenwright had there not been a real fear his antics would have then have been shown to be what they still, patently, are - namely destructive to the future of our club.

The fact that he works Moshiri like Stromboli worked Pinocchio says it all, in Stromboli's words to the puppet;

“You will make lots of money... FOR ME! And when you are growing too old, you will make good FIREWOOD!”

Ed, it was reported that Ferguson was bankrupt after his spell in Spain, he may have taken a none paying roll at first, but as far as I can remember, he finally got on the payroll at Everton, that helped him get back on his feet again, not sure if any other posters read about it at the time.

Anyway back to matters, Dunc for me all Day long for the short term.

As for Derby’s spending under Lampard I’m not summer where you get your information but I’ve seen a few articles saying his spending was their highest it’s ever been in the Championship. Are you including wage spends in your figures? A fair few people had heard of Mount and Tomori and the troubles Derby have had since Lampard left is partly because they bet the house on him getting promotion, which he didn’t deliver.

As I said he took a team that finished 6th the year before and failed to improve their league position despite having some very handy players added. Not sure how that constitutes success.

Ever seen a game where a goalkeeper receives TWO red cards...yet still stays on the pitch?

Ten minutes into the second half, Raphinha appears to stand on an Ecuador forward's foot in the penalty area. Penalty given. FIVE minutes later, the ref and VAR overturn the decision. Still 1-0 to Brazil.

On 75 minutes, corner to Ecuador. Clean as you like, Torres thumps home a header. 1-1.

End of normal time, the board goes up for five more minutes. Almost immediately, a long ball is played into the Brazil penalty area which kinda hangs between the outrushing Alisson and a chasing Ecuador forward.

Alisson gets two fists on it, but in his follow through catches the forward. PENALTY! Second yellow card for Alisson. Red. Off. No more subs for Brazil to put in a keeper. Ecuador with the chance to inflict Brazil's only defeat in the WC qualifying campaign.

Only...onfield arguments ignite. The ref consults the linesman who agrees with him. It eventually goes to VAR. And it is clear that when Alisson punches the ball there is daylight between the ball on contact and the head of the Ecuador forward. No way should it be a penalty or a red card.

THE REF AGREES! For the second time in the match, Alisson is spared a red card. No penalty and just like the first half, the final whistle only blows on 55 minutes. 1-1. Brazil still unbeaten. Ecuador almost certain now to qualify for Qatar in 3rd place.

Unprecedented stuff I've watched tonight.

And as unlikely as it sounds given all the controversy, the ref had a good game! He was the coolest guy in the stadium.

Brilliant entertainment.

Kia to Pareira - ‘ Vitor, the jobs yours if you want it but there’s a bit of a backlash from the supporters groups’. ‘ Do you still want it’?
Vitor - ‘ Filho da puta’! ‘ Who are you and who gives a fuck about supporters ‘.

Kia to Frank - ‘ Frank, you ticked all of the boxes bar two and we need to know now if can work with Duncan on a six month contract ‘?
Frank- ‘ I have a lot of respect for this great club and its fans but right now I’d rather work at McDonald’s than this shit show the way it’s being run’.

For that reason he gets my vote lol

I’d take Frank Lampard on his playing merit, but on a managerial level Vitor, has achievements, but it would seem based on his career, a decent success ratio.

But in reality all in Europe, and so credit where due, if it came to vote for either, Id take Frank.

But for me this is a new starting point in the history of Everton FC, if it transpires.

Reality.

It’s a feeling of walking past the Old Lady, and is this really the way it is now?

Get the Liver Building but, the heart and soul of EFC, has been eroded on a scale that industry doesn’t calibrate.

30 years of mediocrity, and there’s more..

I completely forgot about that!

If I had any hesitancy on Lampard, it's now vanished. Thank you for that reminder which brought a smile to my face.

Anyone who looks at 'their' manager, you know, the guy who stormed the field when Picks got fiddle fingers (yup, THAT assclown) and says, "Fuck off you stupid c**t!" RIGHT IN HIS FACE??

Oh hell yes, sign this fella up stat!!!

Until We cure the disease, the symptoms will.

Rucur.
Rucur.
Recur.
Recur.
Recur.
Recur.

And Denial Will NOT keep Us out of The Championship, League One, Or League Two.
Go ask Oldham !

Yeah big fat frank lost it and gave Klopp and the rest of his bench both barrels but let’s not forget his Chelsea team also got stuffed 5-3 lol

That scoreline would actually be an improvement for Everton. 😬

Does Moshiri have a death wish or is he an agent working for LFC?

Former Blue for the Red, White and Blue.

Let's go!

We sold Antonee for what, two million?

Idiocy.

Way to go, kid. Nice goal.

We tried to tell them!!!

No one listened.

Kills me to this day.

Lures an unhappy Christian Pulisic from his former club to Everton.

Love you, goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. Sweet dreams, pleasant dreams, see you in the morning.

Instead of this knee-jerk reaction and once again hiring who's available, instead of spending the rest of the season seeing how things pan out with managers who have already got a job and not trying to hire someone who doesn't have a job because their available.

To me, it would make more sense to hire a Director of Football, give them the rest of the season to sort out the mess at Everton, work out what footballing direction the club is heading, and then hire a manager to suit.

Everyone they, ahem, "develop" in what some of us bizarrely still describe as a "Centre of Excellence (stuffed full as it is by Kenwright ass-kissers) departs for next to nothing at best and the vast majority of them go on to prove that they have next to nothing in the real world of professional football.

Antonee is one of the few to actually display from the other point of view the blindingly obvious point that those at FInch Farm wouldn't recognise a diamond if it barged straight past them in their queue for a pre-training bacon and sausage barm to get on with developing themselves regardless, where it matters – on the field.

Well done to him. Shame he was disposed of given where we are now.

If they don't know him by now?

Well he has been gone for 6 years now, and the same delayed, last minute of the 11th hour, for making decisions etc, seems to be alive and kicking, so who is the ditherer ?

If we survive the drop it will be the same shit different year in 2023...

He is not a Moshiri plant or a Kenwright old boy. What more he will have media support and favourable contacts within the English game. Duncan is not as secure as previously, probably, Pereira like, in feeling he has to get his spoke in. With Finch Farm mates pushing him to do so, and maybe even the Luvies( Bill Supporters). The main objection internally to Pereira was that Moshiri was selecting him without them, and their control was slipping.

Lampard, fan supported, is a developing out of control situation for them , hence the possible emergence of Big Dunc.

That's my opinion.

I am annoyed it has all come to this, its hardly an inspiring short-list is it? I'm gently warming to the Lampard option but I don't think its a good fit. Toxic fans have poured water on the potential flame that could have burned under Periera, not saying he was the answer either but he has some pedigree, some desire and could, just could have been a success. Displaced anger of some knee-jerk fans practically drove him out of town with their flaming torches and pitchforks. Nice one.

If he is being interviewed there is a alterer motive.

May be even a negotiating ploy.

If, and only if, Duncan was to be appointed without being interviewed, it would certainly make them look even more inept than they are.

Yes, Derek, it might be all about appearances, as you say. Possibly also a backstop in having Duncan on the list in case the other two pull out or make excessive demands.

That leaves two days of the transfer window, coincedence?

We have Doucoure, Delph and Davies out long term which leaves us very short in midfield.

If we think Gomes is going to get us out of this relegation scrap think again.

Typical of this club leaving it until today and still not realising we are in a relegation scrap

Very amateur indeed

We have the rare opportunity to have a well liked and respected manager, who would also appeal to younger generations.

Marc @272, my thoughts too. I watched a lot of videos of him in the summer when we were constantly linked with him and was really impressed. The gulf between us and them has never been wider.

Kenwright stayed, he’s given us some good times, thankfully, but I’m just waiting for nurse Ratchet, or an announcement from Everton today!

Its not dramatic mate think a lot of us are ready to throw the towel in.

I cannot really see light at the end of the tunnel with the current board who seem to have no idea how to run a football club!

We now have no DOF, no Head of Recruitment etc etc

It really is embarrasing!

Yes totally agree it just seems to get wider and wider. He was the perfect winger for us.

I get that is normal business practice, but when being played out in the public forum I would hardly imagine it installs confidence in the applicants. Normally, you know who you want after the first or at least second round.

Only Everton can turn this into a soap opera, which makes sense given our Board's Coronation Street roots.

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Ferguson - not a new voice, doubts over tactical ability, Ferguson bounce may not work again.

Pereira - huge gamble, may need time to assess players (will be impressed with Iwobi in training), best years long gone.

Wow, it's close, isn't it.

But Lampard has verbal abuse of Jurgen Klopp on his CV. That swings it for me.

We need a midfielder, he's going to Palace FFS, 3 days left of the window.

I'll try to answer that for you as you seem to have a bit of an obsession about Duncan Ferguson going on yourself. You're not alone; there are about half a dozen of you on here.

Us arl fellas can reel off the names of dozens of truly great footballers. I won't even bother to mention them. You know who they are. They played when we were kings.

The last time we were kings is nearly 40 years ago. Since then, this club has become a whipping boy to all the big clubs, especially The Mancs and the Red Shite. A situation 99.9% of our players readily accepted...

But not Ferguson; he showed no inferiority complex... he took no backward steps. He walked the walk and they were fucking terrified of him...

Would he have got near Harry Catterick's team, or Howard Kendall's class of 84-87? I think we both know the answer to that. He wouldn't have got near... but to a generation of Evertonians, he was the man who stared down both of our greatest rivals and, although he would never be a great footballer, to them he will always be a legend.

People accuse him of ducking the manager's job, but that accusation has been laid bare. He has twice stepped in when the situation was critical, armed with no more than the best wishes of the vast majority of Evertonians.

Those who try to portray him as someone Kenwright brought back as a "favour" do not know what they are talking about.

He came back to skivvy for Davey Moyes while he took his coaching courses and he did it for nothing. The mythical "Job for Life" Kenwright is supposed to have offered him didn't exist. It was nearly two seasons and, only after earning his badges, did he start to even get paid.

Will he make a good manager? Fuck knows... but the same can be applied to Frank Lampard. He hardly covered himself in glory when given his chance at Stamford Bridge.

Will he have what it takes to manage Everton right now? Again, fuck knows... but his application and interviews would demonstrate he has the courage. Maybe the other two will, but it will cost about £6-7M to buy their courage.

All three of them can say they have the balls... but only one of them would be prepared to put his balls on the chopping block for this club.

I think this must be the end of the road now for Duncan Ferguson he scored a few important goals against top teams but once again after working under various managers he seems reluctant to make the final step I think the club should tell him to start his managerial climb of the ladder elsewhere.
We keep hearing we need someone who knows the club NO we need someone who doesn't know the misery and failure that go with the job and it needs someone to give the club a good shake drop the rubbish that pretend to be footballers and tell the board and owner you lot pick the paint and the colour of the seats I'll run the Team and bring in the players we need to do the job. The ideal man is sadly bollocking board members and Chairmen elsewhere Brian Clough. Lampard has an ideal reference book to gleen knowledge from all his ex Chelsea bosses plus Uncle Arry.

In many ways he is the embodiment of what this club is today : the fake dawn with potential to be great and occasionally showed glimpses of it to make fans believe that we might be on to something but all too often he let us down and underachieved.

In August 2003, Jamie Jackson of The Guardian called Ferguson "arguably the biggest waste of money of all", citing his high transfer fees and wages compared to his injury record and age. By that point, he had scored 12 times in 41 games in three years at Everton, while earning over £5 million in salary. His 192 minutes of play in 2002–03 as a goalless substitute cost the club £9,000 per minute.

Saw a tweet from The Bobble who has been right on all his predictions so far, and he claims Lampard was very disappointed at not being offered the job on his last interview as that was the impression he was given. But he went on to say Lampard is not walking away from the process. I think, if I was him, I would tell Moshiri to shove the job where the sun don't shine.

I really hope I am wrong and Lampard gets the job, he is the one of all the candidates mentioned who I think can turn this club around. When they sacked Benitez, I was all for giving Duncan the job till the end of the season but it seems that's not what the owners want.

Why on earth do they need to interview Ferguson? As a matter of fact, why are they conducting 2 or 3 or 4 interviews? What is the point? If you don't know after 1 interview whether somebody is right for the job, then you shouldn't be in charge of the process.

I arrest my case m'Lud !

Spot on Len. The problem is with Kenwright you get a lot of decisons based of sentiment. e.g all these ex Everton players given coaching roles who have no coaching experience.

If Duncan Fergson wants to become Everton manager follow the footsteps of Rooney, go and manage a championship club, build your experience up etc..

I see it 2 ways. As a player, he gave a younger generation something to idolise and hope for in pretty dark times.

His passion for Everton and football isn't in question whatsoever. That's probably one of the reasons he continues to rule himself out or be ruled out of the job. He know's his limitations.

As a player, on his day unplayable. But so was Andy Carroll. He just didn't have the consistency or the discipline. That's why he failed (harsh word) to live up to the undeniable potential that was blatantly obvious to see. The injuries we'll just have to put down to bad luck I guess rather than commitment. That's why he frustrated me as much as some injury prone and inconsistent but clearly good players frustrate me now.

As a coach / manager, I've been vocal. Yes, he has admirably stepped in to steer the ship through choppy waters when asked, but he hasn't done a Lampard or Gerrard and taken the plunge. He hasn't flown the nest. I don't know if he's got it in him but as said, you can never tell until you see them do it over time and with consistency.

We all love Duncan Ferguson. Genuinely we do. But as a player and a manager, to us who can only assess on what we see, he just seems to be one of those who made it to the top level but just fell short and will likely fall short of be genuine top drawer. But he could have been. Was it ability? Was it mentality? Was it down to not really wanting it?

I'll go back to his mentality and the potential effect the incident that resulted in him serving sentence had. For years he wouldn't communicate with the press - his understandable choice. But I also wonder if that's part of his character. He always seems uncomfortable; he's not natural being in the limelight, which would partly explain his reluctance to take a front seat in management on a permanent basis. Happier being a cheer-leader than a leader.

Despite his natural talent, I always thought of him as a reluctant footballer. I think that is playing out in him being a reluctant manager. He doesn't like the limelight.

Forget the interviews, the polls on here are conclusive, hire Frank Lampard now and let him sign a couple of midfielders before Monday. It’s what the majority fans are now asking for and will applaud the decision as the best one available from your shortlist.

Appointing Frank Lampard will best unify the whole club and support, it is the appointment that will make the majority of fans think we are now all in this together.

The club needs unity above all else at the moment. Apart from some wins, starting at Newcastle. Theres no doubt former will help the latter.

If Lampard is the man, it sounds like he will want to bring in Anthony Barry (scouser and Evertonian) as his assistant. Does that mean Duncan will be leaving Everton?

Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Dele Alli and Ross Barkley could all join Frank at Goodison. The first two I'd be chuffed to bits with. No longer sure Ross has the desire to be a footballer.

I quite liked what he said to Klopp during their heated exchange a while back. And the response from Klopp was amusing and ironic, Klopp of all people, with his behavioural issues, telling someone else how to behave. With Lampard managing Everton, Derby games would be interesting.

And the fact that Pereira would have a final interview after making a complete dick of himself and the club with that Sky interview? Any club with an ounce of professionalism would have binned him immediately.

I don't think either Lampard or Pereira would come in and do a better job in the next few months than Duncan. Stick with him until the summer.

As a person though, I think he shows character that we're lacking at the club. A few things stand out for me...

1) Stepping up to take the penalty (and scoring), either the day or the day after his Mum died. He would have been given a pass by many for not even playing.

2) Phoning in the live radio show, during which the host had been bad mouthing him and his wife at the time – they were going through a divorce. Eloquently put the gob-shite host in his place.

3) not exclusive to Lampard – other players do this - but his response to scoring for City against Chelsea. Class.

4) The Klopp video! :-) Which I've only just seen. Brilliant.

I know these aren't all directly football related, but I think they show integrity, courage and dignity. We need some of that right now.

Oh, and he has an exceptional football brain. If you've ever seen his punditry, you'll agree he knows what he's talking about.

Having said all of the above...

I have zero faith in our board to choose him and then to land him.

So, Pereira it is!

Shouters who eventually go into meltdown when it doesn't go their way or thinkers who, given time, get it right. The pen is mightier than the sword as the saying goes.

On Duncan. Hire him or fire him. Don't impose him on yet another manager. Let the manager / DoF construct the footballing structure across the club.

And his Evertonian-ness is not in question nor a factor. If you want that, hire me. But I'd probably cock it up.

I'm really not sure who is the best choice as I tend to think an awful lot has to come together for any manager to succeed so previous success elsewhere is no guarantee.

Personally, I don't think Pereira said anything too controversial or damning in his Sky interview and would actually actively defend his right to respond to the graffiti as it impugned him.

All I care about is whether we pick someone who can get the job done in the 2 apparently required stages; shoring us up for survival this season and then improving us after that.

But we seem to have an endless soap opera - including TV interviews by one of the candidates. Who is driving this? Is it our club, leaking titbits, or is it the media who can see that we are a shit-show and want to stir it all up a bit more?

If I was one of the candidates I'd be seriously fucked off, and embarrassed too. It makes them look like clowns auditioning for Billy K's Circus.

Bill puts his arm around Mosh and guides him away muttering, 'What a chairman.'

Please Mosh, just get on with it. Ignore Joorabchian blowing smoke up your arse - despite the appeal we don't need a compltete loony in charge of the team, you know it's not for Duncan so give Lampard the nod before we all cut our wrists.

Edit - The Duncan conundrum is like the fucking dog evacuation question from Afghanistan only this time sentimentality has to be binned and let Duncan make his own way in the business. He'll survive.

Our neighbours now have Luiz Diaz. Diaz is the best Colombian player at the moment, the best player in Portugal at the moment, he can do anything up front despite not being a centre-forward.

“He really has something special about him. There is no doubt in my mind that, if things go normally, he will fit in perfectly at Liverpool.”

God, it's depressing.

If its true, why would Ferguson be dragged to London if they wern't seriously considering him for the job which he has said he doesn't want yet full time!
That points towards they are not sure that they will engage one of the other two, or is it just window dressing.

Will it be Pope Frank, Pope Duncan or Pope Vitor?

And will they turn our Hell into Heaven?

It’s now 1/9 for Pope Frank but this is EFC - the biggest charity in the sporting world - on and off the pitch. Whoever pulls on the heart strings may win the day.

I can see this turning into a West End musical farce:
“The bills are alive with the sound of Muzak.”
“Fiddler on the hoof.”
“Three men and a basket case”
Or a remake of “Deliverance”

If DBB takes the lead, she’ll be a sucker for a sob story in, “Miss Sigh Gone”.

I’m hoping for Pope Frank but Divine Intervention will be needed either way.

1. Lampard
2. Pereira
3. Anyone except Ferguson. Personally I hope after the choice is made we won't see Ferguson sitting next to the next manager at all. He's had his go next to the last 5 or 6 managers. Time for a new face. If it was up to me I would release all the ex-players at the club. Ferguson, Unsworth, Baines, Jeffers, etc. It's an old boy clique and needs to be removed if the club is to start moving forward.

"Stone the crows."

It comes to mind when I contemplate EFC currently.

How long does it actually take to play a round of paper - scissors - rock?

Those in charge (don't laugh)may think that Ferguson would cause the least upheaval to the players and maybe be in a position to hit the ground running, and quickly sign two more players, which we badly need.

I wonder if an "unpopular" managerial announcement is going to be sugar-coated with Cahill also being revealed in some capacity?

It mentions the hiring of a hard-nosed chief exec (I think). It's my belief that Kenwright and his allies are dead against that as it would mean the end for them and they/he wants to hang onto what they have.

It's an absolutely shocking situation which one ToffeeWebber yesterday highlighted with info from a club employee which actually gave me a sleepless night.

I'm reading Wayne was asked for by Everton but said No. I'm personally glad. I bet Kenwright was upset by the rebuff. If Wayne felt it was right to stay at Derby, he's made the right decision. Good for him for not jumping ship.

Agreed.

I had to look up the phrase before posting (woke and all the rest of it). It is very easy to get in trouble now using phrases which are no longer PC.

It's only in the last two years that I learned that "getting down to the nitty gritty" (once a very common phrase) was totally unacceptable now.

What does that do to The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band?

I think at this point my father would have said, "stone the blinkin' crows."

It's only in the last 2 years that I learned that "getting down to the nitty-gritty" (once a very common phrase) was totally unacceptable now.

It's a shame Tony as there's no proof that the phrase has any non-pc connotations but one that was "incorrectly" believed to have.

A case of jumping to the wrong conclusions and making bad judgements on those conclusions.

Hmmmmm, now where have we experienced that before?

I have every confidence that whoever gets the job will be sacked within 18 months.

Staying in the division this year will be a bigger achievement than the Wimbledon season.

Total laughing stock.

If only we had people running the club that cared about it as we do!

Surely they must know if he can do the job and not have to send him to London for an interview?

A waiter brought in teas and coffees, with cakes and stuff.

He had to turn the job down to get out!

And his spitting antics. My mother would have smacked his face. She put up with a lot from me, but spitting was a red line. But being an adopted (that's all he is) Kopite, we wait, give him his job back and forget it ever happened. It's their thing. Rewrite history to suit what they want to believe and airbrush those bits they don't want anyone to talk about.

Inhaler.

Jim White.

"If I was one of the candidates I'd be seriously fucked off, and embarrassed too. It makes them look like clowns auditioning for Billy K's Circus. "

I agree, and with the rest of your post too. This public dirty-linen crap should've been stamped out when Koeman started it.

Tony @ 361:

Language and expression has developed over millennia. Good or bad (by whatever measure) members of the human race mostly grow and mature to understand the concept of when and where to functionally use it. We don't suddenly need PC marxism "Educating" us into how to communicate. Screw Woke.

Surely they'll make a decision prior to close of business for the week??

Pereira is a nut. Dunc himself said he didn't want the job. What is this?

Theatre!!!! On with the show!!!

This is all a ruse to hire the nutter thanks to allowing a vampire into our house who's name is Kia - it's actually Jooblahblahblah - I can't be arsed to look up the goofy name. If that proves to be true, the same protestors who were out the other night need to start burning shit.

Three candidates:
1. Doesn't want the job, said so himself
2. An absolute nut who's appointment will benefit a leech in our midst
3. An up and coming, forward thinking, youth promoting, tactically astute young manager with a bright future

Hmmmmmm

Alisher Usmanov’s nephew and former Everton Director running a poll on whether or not Frank Lampard should be the next Everton manager. Source: @Watched Toffee

I wonder how much money the club could raise by carrying out a vote similar to Strictly Come Dancing for the public to choose the next Everton Boss, but at say a tenner a text?

Rooney was approached last week apparently but decided he wanted to stay at Derby.

By the way, also agree 100% with your sentiments to Tony.

Now that the PC brigade - a truly looney bunch of folks - have made some otherwise impossible connection between getting down to the nitty gritty and something nefarious, I shall try to work getting down to the nitty gritty into my repertoire and use it daily / often.

Have a feeling Lampard will get it though.

If anti PC people think anything can be said without apology then how can you protest what they protested about what you said?

Adoption papers... that made me laugh.

Interviews at Goodison (Apparently - or somewhere). Protest and backtrack (Apparently). More interviews in the capital in full media glare. Phoenix-like return to contention of the Portugese Lunatic (Apparently). Jim (Effin') White. Dunc on a train...

I wonder how all this has affected social media ad view revenue.

Everton has pioneered remote working in football. Lots of folks in this club have been phoning in their jobs for years.

Why else would Billy Bullshit and his sycophants all be together.

Prepare to be fucked over again boys.

Apologies for the politeness in my terminology, my deceased mother would scorn me for using the great Evertonian in the sky's name in vane.

We could go more rounds than a heavyweight boxing match at this rate. Just decide and do it. More dithering and indecisiveness by Everton that has epitomised the last 30 years or so.

Disjointed board = confusion = poor decision making. Top to bottom.

It wasn't though, that's the thing.

Having said that I'll say no more at all on it as I don't want to be a part of leading this thread away from the matter in hand, which is the Everton manager appointment.
Too many time threads are highjacked for individuals own agendas.

In other words, the old boys network will choose one of their own - Duncan.

Apparently the term "Nitty Gritty" didn't appear in print until circa 1937 and therefore it was either a term only used verbally or it didn't refer to anything to do with the slave-trade. Apparently it was a group of academics at Bristol university in the mid 2000s who began to question the use of the term and it was they who decided it was not acceptable. I don't know the truth of the matter relating to that specific term, but it appears that there is at least some doubt about it's original meaning and when it came into common useage.

If it's use was in relation to what you claim it to be, then of course it shouldn't be used in everyday language.

I have seen that quote a hundred times now and it still makes my toes curl.

I'd love to see him gone but I would dearly love to see people stop referring to him as a cancer I just think there are better ways to make your point.

Awful phrase, bound to hurt.

"Everton approached my agent and asked me to interview for the job," Rooney said. "But I turned it down. I believe I will be a Premier League manager and I am ready for that 100%. But I have a job at Derby, which is important to me."

So despite all the speculation, he has never been an actual candidate.

I see Marco Silva has also told us to get lost. Good on him and Rooney.

But it's going/gone too far - and it's not on or at the extremes anymore. Taking the nitty-gritty thing. I of course had to look up the roots of it, being like the probably 99% of others (including those in literary fields) that usually do not know the supposed literal/original meanings but do fully understand the context, use and intention by dint of their life experience in language.

This 99% also contains those that have been actively made aware and informed that they should be offended by a long-standing and innocently-used term or expression - once "Certain interests" have made the effort to bring it to light. A difference between moving forward and stirring up shit.

Don't want too get deep here but that's an overview of my take on it.

* having seen some other comments since typing, I will add that the whole area of roots/definitions can be something of potential uncertainty too.

Nowadays who knows what they'll do? Tarot cards? A flip of the coin? Opening a telephone directory and picking out a random plumber? (Probably not, his hourly rates would be too steep).

It scares me what they might do.

Donald Trump's probably in the running, with Coco the Clown a close second.

So, electronic slap on the wrist duly accepted.

We really need to get this done today or there'll be no time to get in any much needed new arrivals.

If you want cringe however, Joe reminded us of it in post 413.

Nobody I'd rather see in this club's boardroom than Timmy.

Tim Cahill most welcome.

As for Dunc, if he's genuinely a candidate, then of course he has to be interviewed. You can't not interview someone just because they already work for you, not these days. Only today I have interviewed someone who works for a member of the team.

Have come round to the idea that Lampard is the best of the available options. They all present risks, but for me I think he'd be the least worrying.

Why people like Favre, Garcia, even Paulo Fonseca don't even seem to have been considered (all better candidates than Lampard or Pereira) seems indicative of the current shambles within the club

Get him involved in the footballing side of things as a coach and future manager.

He's got the right attitude, spirit, fight, nouse and brains to get respect and support from those around him.

Thank you for posting that link to the excellent Independent article on Everton’s dysfunctional hierarchy.

Michael/Lyndon. Worth posting this one on the “around the web “ section. Well worth a read.

Whilst staggering from one crisis to another we are absolute amateurs in comparison to our peers - would City, Chelsea, Red Shite conduct matters in this manner?

Everything that's appeared today on social media shouldn't have.

- Selfies with Dunc on a train to London - FFS.
- Using Bill's office for negotiations in full view of the media?

Talk about airing our dirty laundry in public. Everything should have been conducted behind closed doors, neutral location etc with one daily statement from the club outlining progress.

Irrespective of the outcome, I only hope the right questions are being asked of the candidates when in truth the board should be asking questions of themselves.

Need a Live Forum just for this.

I think the club needs a fresh start, Duncan should try and get a manager job in the Championship and prove he can do it. It’s wrong to foist him on Frank, let him have his own team.

Pereira appointment would cause mayhem, fan revolt, entertainment of the wrong kind. But it would be great if we had a successful nutter; getting suspend sentences , inciting riots, but European football and winning trophies at the same time. Can’t understand really why he’s on the shortlist.

Perhaps just as significant as the new manager appointment is what the club is doing about the structure supporting the manager. If Tim Cahill is part of that will he will be given decision making authority over the shape and organisation of the football side of the business including the first team squad? If not, what is his role? The Board, or whoever is making the decisions, must get this right. Otherwise it won’t really matter in the long run who is the first team manager because he will be destined to fail.

If there is one good thing that may come out of the last few months, the facts about how badly our club has been run under Kenwright and Moshiri, facts that we fans have know for years, this is now public knowledge. Kenwright's image has been publicly damaged by this and maybe, just maybe it's the beginning of the end for him.

The way I am feeling right now, I would gladly let the sand at Bramley Moore Dock flow back into the Irish sea, and remain at Goodison for another 30 years, in exchange for an owner with half a brain and getting rid of Kenwright, Moshiri and DBB.

Lampard…….|||||
……………………|
Pereira 0
Dunc 0.

Jan 2000: Upon completion of the deal with Johnson, Kenwright said: "Acquiring Peter Johnson's shares is only the first step to restoring a great club to where it belongs – to where it should be. If you are going to run a successful football club you need two qualities: you need to be realistic and you need a plan. I'm realistic and I have a plan."
Some plan... No trophies but some "good times".

FA Cup Winners From 2000 Not in the Big 4 / 6.

Leicester, Wigan (for fuck's sake!) and Portsmouth!!! Everton have not won it.

League Cup Winners from 2000, not in the big 4 / 6:

Leicester, Birmingham!! Blackburn, Middlesbrough!! Swansea!! Everton have not won it.

EPL winner since 2000 not in Big 4 / 6.

Leicester (yes Leicester with another trophy). Guess what we have never won it since 2000 and have never looked like winning it either.

In 21 years, we have beaten the RS once at Mordor.

Some plan!! A lot of these teams won their trophy before Moshiri arrived. Yes, I know Moshiri is a meddler and must go to.

The fact that a team like Leicester City have won the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup whilst we have had some good times says it all for me..

Think I'd prefer to see Frank 'n Ant

And wouldn’t be able to start until at least April mate.

Apart from his role at Chelsea, he made an instant positive impact when appointed coach with Rep Of Ireland.
Link

It's hard to argue against the idea that Ferguson has been a central figure in our continued on-pitch malaise, and while he may be indirect collateral damage for that period it would be hard to believe that, with him at the helm, wholesale positive change - fast - could be achievable.

Pereira only seems to know 4 players from the Everton squad from 6 seasons ago, and would be a huge risk that would already have half (if not more) of the fanbase up in arms were he to be officially announced.

Lampard knows the league, knows the players, knows the club, and has good pedigree and contacts. he also has a big point to prove. The potential upside is huge.

However if we stick with Dunc or the mad man, it will be capitulation. The Championship will loom. We either go for glory, Lampard won't sully his name with failure, or mediocrity. EFC Board its in your hands.

I am confused regarding Dunc, I thought he said he didn’t think he was ready? Or was that just last time? Also, a bit concerned that when asked about transfers a week ago, he said; “I don’t know, I think someone else is sorting that” (or words to that effect). Surely, one of the questions and immediate tasks for the new manager is to find at least one addition to midfield?

Seriously I think he’s the best of the three but to expect him to sort the whole club out is nuts.

The worrying part of this whole process is the way that it's been handled and the belief that putting a few 'old boys' in positions of responsibility because they get the club, despite the fact that only Sharp knows what it's like to win a major trophy.

Sir John Moores must be turning in his grave at these muppets who now run the club. There are 3 candidates because Wayne had the good sense to say no thanks, Duncan Ferguson who has been at the club many years so why they have to drag him to interview him is nonsensical, and if they were prepared to let him have the job till the end of the season then why go through this charade. Also if its only till the end of the season does that mean we go through this process again in 4 months. Vito Pereira who is probably the least attractive of the options given by the time he asses the squad and plays different players in different formations just like his predecessor did we might be in a worse position.
Frank Lampard is relatively inexperienced but in his short spell as manager in the Premier league has got his team to 4th in the league and to an FA Cup final. In his 2nd season they were top of the league in December and top of their Champions league group. then they only won 2 of the next 8 and was replaced by Tuchel. So just looking at the possible candidates why hasnt Lampard been offered the job.

He’d struggle to do much worse than Benitez though and as others have said the potential upside could be big. He’s definitely the ‘type’ of manager I would like.

He should bring some decent coaches with him and hopefully has learnt a bit in his year out. A bit of set piece organisation wouldn’t go amiss.

Much might depend on who he brings in over the weekend. Loftus-Cheek could be useful if fit but any energetic and progressive central midfielder would help.

How many other accountants do you know that are billionaires?

Why the hell do they drag Duncan Ferguson all the way down to London for an interview, do they not know what he's about by now?

Absolute mess, this club will be relegated this season and frankly they deserve it.

I heartily recommend the book. It reminded me our club’s governance was not always as smooth and efficient as some imagine.

No status. No optimism as the banner stated.

Until we play Brentford in the cup.

Danny, I'm almost getting to the point where I hardly care - just get on with it, whoever it might be, even Ferguson. Farcical.

Like you Brent, me and the dogs are past caring. Just do something. Act. Even if it is just to steady the Titanic and avoid the iceberg. Regroup in the summer.

I know it's not in the Everton board's vernacular, but be decisive and make a decision.

“Everton approached my agent and asked me to interview for the vacant job, which I turned down,” Rooney said. “I believe I will be a Premier League manager – I believe I’m ready for that, 100%. And if that is with Everton one day in the future that would be absolutely great. But I’ve got a job here that I’m doing at Derby County which is an important job to me.”

So he was approached and invited to "interview" for the job - he was NOT being offered the job, if the club had said to his agent we want Rooney to be our next manager - Rooney would have said yes and wouldn't have gave one feck about Derby in my opinion.

The general opinion is Rooney is doing some job at Derby, but is he, will Derby stay up ?

I would be interested in how people think about this.
For me, there is absolutely NO PRESSURE on Rooney with their massive points deduction and this reflects on the team - nobody is expecting Derby to stay up so the players just go out and play. We see it every year in the PL, teams that are already relegated suddenly playing decent football when the pressure is off and winning a few games against teams well above them.

I think Rooney just playing his cards right for now !

Not only that, but if Rooney left Derby, after doing an incredible job to keep them up with a 21 point reduction, he'd be 100% absolutely abandoning that Club and fanbase.

In short, it would be a monumentally shitty thing to do!

I don't want someone capable of doing something that awful managing Everton.

I'm not knocking him, glad he's involved (maybe) but what the merry feck is going on?

Have Mosh and the board been on a khet binge since FSW's sacking and finally climbing out the hole they have dug.

I despair!

It's 3 p.m. here, and I logged on for the exact same reason.

I also had the exact same response.

What. The. Fuck.

I'm usually one to side on taking time with an appointment, as it's so damn important at the level we're discussing. But man this is a complete circus.

This will absolutely be made into a production by Bill. I can only hope it's a musical to convey the sheer enormity of the ridiculousness of it all!

It's gone past embarrassing and entered comical.

Something stinks about all this. It smacks of an owner kicking back money to a less-than-holy unethical agent representing a clown.

When I get home from work, I'm having a drink.

Would have laughed this off a few seasons back, not anymore.

Think Dunc will get to the end of the season.

Our reaction later on when we hear who is named the new boss. That quote was about La La Land being wrongly named as best film.

Bill “How do yer like yer eggs Frank?”

Frank “Err..a bit gooey Bill”

Bill raises eyebrow knowingly and makes a scribble in his notebook.

Pat, I can think of a board I'd like him to take down.

I think we will all get to the stage when we don't give a fuck who gets it.

Just give us a fucken name to get behind

Bill "How do you like your eggs Ducan?"

Ducan "Poached...like a good tap in, Bill"

Bills eye's moisten as he scores Ducan full marks for yet another perfect answer.

Spare a thought for poor arl Brendan...He's going to have to come to terms with the fact there is an N in the middle of his name

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/01/28/frank-lampard-offered-everton-job-poised-bring-end-manager/

Regards the manager's position, the more I think about it the more I believe this owner and his buddy will not give one toss about fan pressure.
I stand to be corrected but I can not think of any football club who let the fans pick their new manager - perhaps Solskjær !

I've said it before and will do so again, Moshiri likes to do things his way and I suspect he will do so again.

Frank Lampard it is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1487167392899809280?cxt=HHwWgICy9am3vaMpAAAA

I'm guessing the big fellah those taxi drivers were referring to was big Frank Lampard?

He will also keep us up. It's about him, his team and us now; let's ignore all the rest of the shite.