Pereira 'expected' to be named new Everton boss

Wednesday, 26 January, 2022 423comments  |  Jump to last

Updated Vitor Pereira looked to be on course to be unveiled as the next Everton manager before the end of the week following reports suggesting he is Farhad Moshiri's choice to succeed Rafael Benitez but the situation has become a lot cloudier.

The Mirror, The Guardian and The Telegraph said that the Portuguese had vaulted back to the top of the owner's shortlist and is expected to be offered a short-term contract until the end of the season, with the option of a further 12 months if he keeps the Blues in the Premier League.

It was news that has not been received well by Everton supporters, however, and MailSport claim to have spoken with Pereira's camp and been told that the 53-year-old is saddened by the reaction, which included graffiti on a wall at Goodison Park, and may consider pulling out of the running.

Pereira, reportedly a client of the increasingly maligned Kia Joorabchian, a key advisor to Moshiri with growing influence at the club, is believed to have been chosen despite strong objections from the rest of the Everton Board who implored the Monaco-based billionaire not to make a knee-jerk decision.

Pereira reportedly told the Mail that he is being represented by a lawyer in these negotiations and approached the club through Chairman Bill Kenwright, with whom he interviewed for the role in 2013.

He would follow that up with an unprecedented live phone call with Sky Sports in which he said his interviews with Everton had gone well, defended his managerial record and described what he felt he could bring to Everton.

These fresh developments have pushed Frank Lampard back to the forefront, with the likes of CEO Denise Barrett-Baxendale and Graeme Sharp said to be pushing for the former Chelsea man to be given greater consideration.

According to Fabrizio Romano late yesterday, Pereira, who is out of work after being sacked by Fenerbahçe last year, is already in England with the rest of his staff in the hope of being awarded the job at Goodison Park in the coming days.

Lampard interviewed twice for the role but appeared to have been rejected by Moshiri but could become the favourite if Pereira drops out while Wayne Rooney was deemed too inexperienced. It does not appear as though the likes of Lucien Favre and Niko Kovač got as far as formal talks.

 

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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:01:33
Boooooooo!! Pereira out!!! Boooooo!!
Will Mabon
2 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:09:54
Booo! Pereira not in, in the first place! Boooo!
Matt Byrne
3 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:11:23
WTF. This is a disgrace. We could go down. Peter Johnson was forced out by the crowd for less than this.
Steve Brown
4 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:14:13
Both Cannavaro and Pereira are clients of Joorabchian, who is Moshiri’s ‘advisor’. Board don’t support the decision, as was the case with Benitez.

Look, he may do a good job but this is no way to run a hiring process.

Brian Murray
5 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:14:22
If pereira has already agreed to work with Dunc then that explains Rooney refusing to work with Ferguson because he’s a dope ( Rooneys words not mine ) his dad told my bro yesterday. Think this could be the end of us.
Dave Bowen
6 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:17:06
I will support the new manager whoever he is, (preferably Lampard), I even supported the FSW, because he had the balls to take the job. My main objection to him was not because he had managed ‘them’, but because it was a lazy appointment. Living in the area, available etc etc. My main concern now is Moshiri is taking advice from an agent, who obviously has a vested interest & almost certainly couldn’t care less what happens to EFC as long as he makes a fast buck.
Chris Breedon
7 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:18:42
Can't believe the mess our club is in.. Chumps continually being linked for the Manager job and being considered by the other Chumps running our Club.. Getting really embarrassing to be a Blue at the moment
Neil Tyrrell
8 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:20:06
Thought Lampard had a better chance to hit the ground running and get us some much needed points. Good luck to Pereira, being Moshiri's choice is not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Mark Ryan
9 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:20:37
Even I, with no Football acumen whatsoever can see this is a bum call.
Mr Farhad Moshiri, Mr Bill Kenwright, have you seriously looked at Frank Lampard and interviewed him twice and said "not good enough? ". The man would be perfect to bring on our youth. He's proved he can work on a limited budget. He'll play a high pressing exciting game. He would inspire our younger players who will no doubt look up to him. He'll attract a good class of Footballer to out club. If this Pereira appointment is happening it will be the worst I've witnessed in my 55 years of supporting this dying club. Even Mike Walker promised some hope. EFC RIP 🙏
Ron Marr
10 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:23:26
Total bullshit. Moshiri is the Master of Disaster. Benitez then this. Pereira is like a Portuguese Ian Holloway.

I will root for Everton no matter what and hope the club doesn't become like my other childhood favorite team Liverpool City Rugby League. OTT yes, but emotions are running high.

Running the club we have Laurel and Hardy puppets with Kia Joorabchian pulling the strings. That's another fine mess. Unbelievable.

Christine Foster
11 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:27:01
To be honest, I feel I am past caring whoever is appointed because we are a poison chalice to the managers who might make the fans list. Innovative and exciting managers need not apply. Chancers only please.
One thing is clear once a manager is appointed we, as fans, have to park our resentment and do our bit in giving him our full backing because every point is vital now. We need to secure survival, stay up and regroup. If by the grace of God the decline is halted, then we can review and look to the future. Right now I am not looking beyond the next 20 games because it's academic. Every player picked deserves unconditional support for now at least. We need to win, we need to support the team even if you cannot support the board. Football is the name of the game, winning is everything at the moment. I am not going to criticize a single player till the seasons done. No matter what. If they can surprise me, all the better.
Bobby Mallon
12 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:35:21
I bet you do
Pete Clarke
13 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:38:19
So we hire somebody with an option to stay on if he keeps us up !
Given that we are currently on track to go down why not hire somebody with a future to bringing us back up and re build the club??
Moshiri has to sell up if this goes tits up because he’s listening to people with no interest in the club nor brains on football in general.
We are a laughing stock.
Ian Pilkington
14 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:41:25
If this second rater is appointed instead of Frank Lampard it really will be proof that Moshiri is as big an idiot as the buffoon who sold our club to him..
Will Mabon
15 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:45:15
Expert assessment, executed to scything professional recruitment criteria, just coincidentally happens to spit out - the candidate tied in with the oily twat Joorabchian.
Brian Wilkinson
16 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:46:08
Sat here twiddling my bottom lip with my finger, with the stones the last time playing, thinking, Jesus here we go again, please let this be a click bait only,from the papers.

Worrying, next two songs on playlist are Can’t get no satisfaction followed by 19th nervous breakdown.

Will Mabon
17 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:50:24
Missed the word lip on my first pass at that, Brian - phew!
Jamie Crowley
18 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:55:28
I'll get behind him, but serious question:

How do you pick this fella ahead of Frank Lampard?

What?

Paul Kernot
19 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:56:18
I hope so too Brian. The way this article was written, it doesn't seem that way at the moment though. I know it's pessimistic, perhaps overly so but maybe, just maybe a season in the Championship, with awayday trips to the likes of Birmingham & Cardiff is the only thing that might eventually wake our moronic board up. Nothing else seems able to.
Laurie Hartley
20 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:58:36
My reaction to our last managers appointment and I quote "depressed". This fella - I am hopeful - he might be just what we need. I am tipping he is not a yes man so that will rankle the feathers of our incompetent hierarchy. Good. And I don't think he will play favourites - another tick from me.

The only people he needs to worry about are the players and us. If he gets them and us on side then we will be OK. That is why we all have to support him 100%.

Lets get behind him - he hasn't come for a big payout - he is on a four month contract with a potential for another year if he does what he has been hired to do.

I am backing him.

Will Mabon
21 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:02:51
Paul, our fantastic record of continuity in the top flight, added to every season, is not to be tossed away into the ether! Never mind everything that goes with trying to get back.
Jamie Lenard
22 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:04:11
6 wins needed out of 18 that's a 33% win rate, if he can squeeze that out whilst bringing a couple of Portuguese midfield gems with him, I'll take him until the end of the season.
Will Mabon
23 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:06:49
Laurie, he would come for the pay - just for four months worth, and more if it works out. He's not come for the love of the club.

Joorabchian will be scooping up as well... and no doubt trying to fill the place with connected "Players".

Tony Twist
24 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:07:32
Ha, Ha. You just have to laugh. You can see how blue bill finally sold the club, clueless. When there is probably only two choices; everyone would rather Lampard so you know that won't happen with the Mosh. He obviously likes to surprise people. Frankly, we are more and more looking like Blackburn after they were bought out. How he became a billionaire is beyond me. Maybe he just loves changing managers and Pereira was the only one willing to sign a short term contract. Moshiri is now our biggest handicap if he can't see the glaring risk this appointment brings. Relegation beckons.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

25 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:08:20
I read on another thread today someone asking 'WHAT (not 'who') is KIA?', evidently unaware of what/who Kia Joorabchian is.

Folk need to read up on this fellah. Well-renowned in England for being the third-party owner of the Argentinian players Tevez and Mascherano to WHU, he is equally well-known here in Brazil.

His MSI group 'invested' in one of Brazil's mega-clubs Corinthians in 2004 on the promise they would receive 51% of all future profits. Tevez was signed and subsequently sold to WHU. At great profit to Joorabchian, not Corinthians.

In his second season at the club, they won the title. YEH! In his fourth season in 2007 they were relegated for the one and only time in their history. Warrants for Joorabchian's and other partners arrest were issued on charges of money laundering. A charge that was only archived, not annulled, in 2014.

Such was the extent of Joorabchian's influence at the club that at the time of Corinthians' relegation (it was the equivalent of Manchester United being relegated now) the club only had five players they 'owned'. All other players were 'owned' by Joorabchian.

In the maelstrom of Everton's current self-created chaos, in the vacuum and absence of a DoF or anyone with a handle on football affairs, Moshiri has turned to his fellow countryman Kia Joorabchian as his advisor.

Whatever Joorabchian advises, you can be sure it will be to benefit him more than it will benefit Everton FC or his 'mate' Farhad Moshiri.

The entire situation at the club is deteriorating daily at an increasingly disturbing rate.

Will Mabon
26 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:14:56
"Disturbing" is certainly the word, Jay.

I'm starting to get uncomfortable about how all this is playing out. Hope I'm being overly suspicious and proved completely wrong.

Mark Ryan
27 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:15:09
I'm glad we've chosen a fella who's never played or managed in the Premier League but has tested himself in the Chinese and Turkish Leagues. He sounds like he's up and coming, not !! We've just had a Chinese drop out, I guess that's where we are doing our managerial shopping these days, the bargain basket, he'll do just fine
Matthew Williams
28 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:15:20
He's a crazy fella alright,but at least he ain't a boring twat and has plenty of experience,I'll support him 💯% if he turns our fortunes round and produces entertaining,winning footy too.

The players need to take a long hard at themselves,they have been cheating the faithful for far too long!.

Laurie Hartley
29 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:24:39
Will # 23 - "pay" was a poor choice of words on my part - I should have said a "big fat three year contract". Who was the last manager who "came for the love of the club" that you can remember?

As for "connected players" well I see nothing wrong with that at all provided they are what we need. For example Allan was connected to Ancelloti.

Jay # 25 - I hope Pereira brings the next Tevez and Maschereno with him.

Karl Masters
30 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:24:49
This is the problem of having a piss weak Board of Kenwright ( fantasist )
DBB ( no real football acumen and looking to leave by all accounts )
Ingles ( accountant ) and
Graeme Sharp ( token nodding dog and non executive anyway )

Who is there to advise Moshiri? Who is there to stop another crackpot gamble? Nobody really, apart from maybe Bill.

If the rest of the Board oppose Pereira alarm
bells are ringing for me….

Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:25:28
Just hope Bill is not sat on Everton Brow,whilst listening to Peter Gabriel’s Solsbury hill.

Climbing up on Everton brow
I could see the Bramley lights.
Wind was blowing stagment still
Bullshit flew out of the night
Martinez someone to observe
Came in close I heard a voice
Playing sideways footy ball
Had to listen teary eye
I could not believe the phenomenal
Just got to trust imagination
My heart goes boom, boom, boom.
Martinez he said, grab your Brown shoes, I’m gona take you home.

Bill Gienapp
32 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:38:11
It's a pretty depressing situation. I haven't slung much mud at Moshiri on here, but he really is looking increasingly clueless... not that the Board is any better. They dither about, and literally the best they ever come up with is door A (recycle Moyes) or door B (recycle Martinez).
Anthony Murphy
33 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:47:01
Fans aren’t having this and my worry is neither will the players. I despair at the lack of contingency planning given the run Benitez had us on. First Kenwright throwing up Martinez who no doubt knew how to feather his ego, and now Moshiri turning to Joorabchian who has put forward a couple of duds on his books who are out of work. I really do fear the worst. I was just about to write what a sad end for the once Majestic Goodison Park, but I fear we may be there for some time yet.

Geoff Lambert
34 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:49:27
The END is nigh.
Mike Dolan
35 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:57:53
I will be happy to get any professional manager at this stage of the game. I have not read anywhere about the style of play Pereira likes to play, I don’t know how he likes to organize a defense or how he likes to defend against set pieces. The knee jerk reaction seems to be that it’s a massive disaster if the man comes to Everton but beggar me I haven’t read a word that gives me any indication as too exactly why this is so.
Kieran Kinsella
36 Posted 26/01/2022 at 01:57:54
Brian Murray,

I totally missed this "Rooney won't work with Ferguson" story. What's the gist?

Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:05:15
Jay Wood,

There were several articles in 2021 investigating the insidious influence of Kia on Arsenal. Apparently Wenger refused to deal with him but, since he left, supposedly he has Edu in his pocket and is widely blamed for Arsenal's scattergun recruitment which has seen them decline while spending ever more.

As for Moshiri, seems like a King Lear type being pulled every which way until vanity and paranoia drive him into madness as various evil schemers pull the strings.

Everton fans fall into the role of Cordelia, wrongly shunned leading to tragedy for all. It's going to be weird having Saturdays free when Everton go the way of Bury.

Neil Tyrrell
38 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:06:54
Kieran, Brian posted yesterday that his brother drinks with Rooney's dad and he told him that Wayne wouldn't work with Duncan because he thinks he's a dope. Think it was in the previous Pereira thread.
Geoff Lambert
39 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:07:19
His lowest points per match which was at Fenerbahce would see us survive the drop with around 40 points. which is what RB averaged in the first half of the season.about 1 point per match.
Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:11:24
Neil,

Thanks for the clarification. A dope? Hmm... I could see that.

Will Mabon
41 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:18:59
Laurie - with tongue in cheek... Martinez?


Quality players are one thing, at realistic prices, without the creative ownership "Models" and associated financial trickery, and insidious other moves for which that guy is renowned. Don't want any of that trash near this club. Best place for him is far, far away.

Darren Hind
42 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:25:17
Rooney has gone public about Ferguson being his childhood idol and close friend. Cancelled a holiday to play in his testimonial.
Recently told us the world he has had no approach whatsoever.

But some fella in the ale house said

Lol funny

Jack Convery
43 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:25:47
I think it's about time HMRC and the Serious Fraud Squad take a long hard look at the books of EFC. Perhaps this is what BK meant when he told supporters moving me out won't change anything. Maybe its also why, the rumours of Moshiri wanting to sell are still around. Bad and very sad times indeed.

If it is Vitor we'll have to get behind him and the team. Hang on it's going to be quite a ride.

However when this season is over, whatever the outcome, the owner and board have to go and people brought in who know how to own and run a football club.

Simon Crosbie
44 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:31:29
In the light of recent events it would be interesting to hear Marcel Brands' view about the involvement and/or influence of Kia Joorabchian at Everton...just saying...
Laurie Hartley
45 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:45:47
Will # 41- no doubt Martinez loved the club but I am not sure that was his motive for coming here. Martinez played the best football I had seen in years in his first season. But I reckon most ToffeeWebbers had their doubts about him before he was appointed.. I loved "Sin Miedo" - I'd like to see it again for about 10 seasons.

As for this Joachim fella apparently he is of dubious character. From what I have read on here he is not the only person associated with the club who falls into that category.

Its a moral dilemma if true but it looks like the appointment of Pereira is a done deal now so what are we as football fans supposed to do? Bin this new manager before he has even taken a training session? That could only end one way.

Perhaps the moral standing of our ownership and their associates deserves a thread of its own - but that would lead us down a very big rabbit hole which I feel fairly sure would not only implicate Everton Football Club.

For the time being I am going to concentrate on what I see as our most pressing problem - premiership survival. That is why I am backing this manager.

Phil Smith
46 Posted 26/01/2022 at 02:51:25
Marco Silva mrk2. Not what we need right now at all. Out of all the talk, this one is the biggedt gamble. The last one didn’t pay out. Very worried indeed.
Joe Corgan
47 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:16:10
I wish I could say I hope Moshiri knows what he’s doing. But I can’t. It’s clear he doesn’t.

If this appointment helps keep us in the Premier League it’ll be more through luck than judgement.

I have a horrible feeling that Vitor Pereira will be added to a list of names including Felix Magath and Pepe Mel.

Mark Ryan
48 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:17:14
What next for EFC...breaking news, Moshiri sells to Mike Ashley ha ha. That would be just our luck !
John Daley
49 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:20:36
If true, another bafflingly ludicrous decision by the billionaire bellend.

For me, the most depressing aspect of such an appointment would be the further confirmation of just how deep Kia Joorabchian has got his corruptive claws into the clueless and confused mooncalf who is meant to be in control of this club.

For many years, Arsene Wenger railed against the rising influence of ‘the super agent’ and refused them any influence at all on Arsenals recruitment strategy. His fear was that once they got a foot through the door then you would never get the fuckers back out again and their reach would grow and grow. If only someone at Everton had heeded his words because it appears that infestation by this particular ‘intermediary’ has spread rapidly from player recruitment to relegation prevention.

If the fact the shifty little fucker looks like he should be shouting “throw me the idol” at Indiana Jones wasn’t already more than enough to set alarm bells ringing, then the calamitous deals ‘Kia’ has previously helped broker should surely be sufficient to hammer the point home. The guy has obviously been ingratiating himself into the goings on at Everton for many years now. He was supposedly involved in the Tosun transfer, his company ‘Sports Invest UK’ represented Arsenal in Alex Iwobi’s £35m move to Everton, working together with Jorge Mendes he manoeuvred James from Madrid to Goodison, before having a hand in bringing the hazardous mix of Benitez and Moshiri together and most recently getting El Ghazi a loan move that nobody else seemed keen on being a goer. Now he’s the man whose (hardly impartial) advice is once again being heeded in the hunt for a new manager? Fuck me.

In Moshiris current situation how does it make sense to be swayed by a man prioritising his own interests over the actual needs of any single club? What possible upside is there to indulging a man with a vested interest in power-games and whose modus operandi is proffering names purely as a favour to his many protégés? Vital football decisions boiled down to being a game of bloody ‘allies and contacts’, but the vain tits in charge continue to look clueless as to why this club is currently on its knees.

I mentioned Arsenal above and they are a club who have gone from being widely respected and regarded as a good professional outfit to deal with, to one many now accuse of being awkward to conduct business with and lacking any coherent transfer approach. This change coincided with greater responsibility for recruitment being granted to a select number of ‘associates’, Kia Joorabchian key amongst them. This ‘influence’ in recruitment was supposedly strengthened when his good friend Edu was made technical director of the club and has since seen his fingerprints all over moves for such players as David Luiz, Willian, Cedric Soares, Martin Odegaard and more. Opening doors, greasing palms and getting shit done (and…allegedly…personally profiting to the tune of £20m plus).

Then you have the beyond dispute shit-shows he’s supposedly been involved in.

West Ham/Tevez from way back, we all know about.

He’s long been rumoured to be a ruinous unofficial ‘advisor’ at Reading (or just a ‘personal friend’ as they prefer to put it) where he’s been heavily involved in facilitating players being brought in, before they promptly go on to flop… and this influence is rumoured to be such that any manager has to effectively write-off having any involvement whatsoever in player acquisition.

He’s also said to have performed his favourite role of ‘unofficial advisor’ at 1860 Munich, working his magic on their wealthy investor/saviour Hasan Ismaik. The fruits of this particular ‘personal friendship’? An influx of new players in the 2016/17 summer transfer window (all arranged by Joorabchian) who all proved to be piss poor, a plummet down the table, the appointment of our (and Joorabchian’s) pal Vitor Pereira…who proclaimed upon his unveiling “We go to the top!”….followed by a first relegation in 13 years. Vitória Victor!

Larry O'Hara
50 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:29:40
If this muppet with a serious record of failure comes here we are in very deep trouble. This has to be a wind up doesn’t it?
Kieran Kinsella
51 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:38:40
Mark Ryan,

At least Ashley balances the books

John Daley,

Spot on

Darren Hind,

Says the man with supposed Finch Farm insiders who expects us all to take his word as Bible. Even though he's been more discredited than Derek Acora time and again.

Mark Ryan
52 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:40:29
I'm sat in A & E reading these posts and having endured the shit show that we've been served up since Moyes left and Moshiri arrived, right now, with a balanced mind, if we voted now to remove Moshiri but have to forego BMD, I'd vote get rid of Moshiri and stay at Goodison. Fuck BMD if it means all this. Kenwright has sold us up shit creek with this Iranian welt. Beggars belief
Jay Harris
53 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:55:16
This can’t be true. Surely Moshiri can’t do this to the club. We will go down like a sinking stone if this idiot and his salty agent get their way.
BTW anyone drinking with Rooney’s dad is not qualified to comment on big Dunc
Minik Hansen
54 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:57:49
How much does Vitór Pereira know of our current players? Has he studied the Premier League for a while? If he hasn’t and he’s appointed, I’m one of many worrying sick..
Neil Tyrrell
55 Posted 26/01/2022 at 03:59:57
Just walked home from work 45 min in the lovely -20c night air, so I'm bluer than ever. Excellent post from John Daley there articulating a lot of what I was thinking about on the way.

Surely this was a time to get an experienced PL manager if Duncan wasn't under serious consideration? Bad enough to have to bed into the Everton shitshow, but to have to bed into the PL too with half a season left and us in dire need of points NOW?

Not like I think Lampard is the saviour or anything but at least he knows the opposition (and us) having managed in the league very recently. This appointment if true just seems like a massive gamble at the wrong time, and Moshiri has proven himself inept at gambling on football time and again since he arrived.

Steve Ferns wrote some positive stuff about Pereira on another thread, I'll have to go find it and read it again because I'm feeling seriously depressed about this.

Tony Hill
57 Posted 26/01/2022 at 04:13:09
If this is true, I agree with both John @45 and with Laurie @45. Joorabchian is a terrible figure to have hanging around the club, but if we damn another manager then we will surely be relegated.

My desperate hope is that this is one of those occasions where expectations are confounded and this fella proves to be a weird success. He’d better be.

John Zapa
58 Posted 26/01/2022 at 04:37:36
I'm starting to think that Moshiri is taking actions that might not make sense to fans, but will make him personally rich at the expense of the club and Usmanov. I feel he is using Usmanov funds to purchase unsuitable players via his 'friend' which resulting kick backs to him. I don't think he cares whether the club win or lose, he makes his money regardless as long as a steady stream of his friends clients are signed on inflated fees and he gets his share. How else can you explain things like Iwobi for 30m or some Ukrainian for 18m? While the previous directors of football got the brunt of the blame for signings that didn't work, I think its mostly because of Moshiri and his personal interests.

Usmanov seems to be an even bigger fool for trusting Moshiri with his investment, the accountant, while playing dumb and acting like Mr Bean is efficiently siphoning off many millions via kick backs from all the dodgy transfer dealing. I have no evidence of any of this, but its just a gut feeling based on my experience and knowledge.

Minik Hansen
59 Posted 26/01/2022 at 04:58:22
Neil Tyrrell > you don’t happen to be in Greenland? Doesn’t hurt to ask. Been snowing here for almost a week, you wouldn’t believe the snow have been absent for the majority until late December. Good thing the Arctic getting white as it suppose to.
James Stewart
60 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:10:39
Depressing. Rooney, Lampard, Potter, Moyes etc would have at least got the fanbase and galvanised things in the short term. This just feels like more of the same after Benitez.
Derek Knox
61 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:10:50
John @ 49, always enjoy reading your posts as they have an intelligent, but also a very comedic view on any particular situation or thread. Disregarding the ' funnies ' this time sadly, it is so eerily accurate, and again a situation who we, as fans, have no influence over, as we see it unravelling before our very eyes.

God help us !

Mark Rankin
62 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:26:38
The Everton Board has no influence you can put anyone you like on there no difference. Moshiri owns the club and for all the benefits, in terms of the stadium and the money, he’s not an appoint someone to run the club sit back and enjoy kind of guy - he’s a ring Jim White get involved with Kia Joorchiaban kind of guy. That’s why Brands left and why Potter is staying where he is and Brighton are above us in the league. Hope he has a Road to Damascus moment
Don Alexander
63 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:32:37
Jay (#25), thanks for your post.

It explains to anybody literate why "Kia" is a clear and present danger to any so-called professional club with an ounce of insight into good governance.

Shane Kind
64 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:32:40
Dear Mr Moshiri, you really have no idea have you, well with this appointment you had better get it right, or you will take our beloved team down and your beautiful new stadium will sink with it into the sand at the side of the Mersey, why, because many of the teams who will visit us there will bring only a handful of supporters and even hardened Evertonian will find it hard to make their voices heard through the hollow void inside.
I write books for a living but I'll tell you what, even I couldn't make up such a Machiavellian tale as this.
"Alas poor Everton I knew her well."
Jim Bennings
65 Posted 26/01/2022 at 05:48:51
Moshiri is a clown, an absolute clown and this just tops his cake off with icing and candles.

This is the one appointment HE needed to get spot on, HE, not Kia f#ckin Joorabchian!

This is exactly why in three years time mystic meg will tell us we will be playing Championship football and Bramley Moore Dock will be the best kids adventure playground in Liverpool.

Peter Brogan
67 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:13:30
The sad fact is 80% of fans don’t want this guy but the sad thing is MoshrI listens to Joorabchian and not us…:how have we over looked Lampard - I hope the papers have it wrong.
Paul Hewitt
68 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:17:28
I just hope he gives us the new manager bounce.
Gerry Killen
69 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:18:27
Good post Laurie Hartley 20, such is the predicament we find ourselves in, time is running out and we need to bring in an experienced manager pronto, on a short-term contract, if we stay up he gets a bonus, if we don't stay up we will have the whole Summer break to recruit a suitable Manager, bring in a DOF with full responsibility and relieve the Boardroom of there duties and bring in people who know about football. Finaly, whoever comes in will bring his own staff so I think DF will be looking for a new job. Cheers, COYB
Keith Slinger
70 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:18:31
I am sick and tired of hearing all of these names being associated with the club. Steve Cooper is doing an excellent job at Nottingham Forest, if big Dunc does not get the role, then give Steve Cooper a shot at it, an up and coming English manager could just be the shot in the arm the club needs?
Danny O’Neill
71 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:24:41
Well, at face value this is concerning, but we don't have time to squabble. Just as many of us have been doing all season, come match day, ignore the dugout for 90 minutes and get behind the team. That's all we can do in reality and they need us more than ever right now.

Looking beyond what looks inevitable and something we can't control, this doesn't bode well for the proposed fan representation. I'm guessing a token effort or compliant group / members will be carefully selected.

Joseph Walsh
72 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:27:26
For those of us wondering why him and not [insert Manager with a more footballing rationale]

It’s simple - no footballing rationale has been considered. It has been said already but our new Director of Football is Kia Joorabchian. Moshiri has circumvented the board, we have nobody to challenge with any footballing brain left as Benitez exited all the scouts and DOF went too

What stinks is this is not based on any footballing assessment or strategy but this Joorabchian having Moshiri’s ear and pushing all his clients on the club. They know each other from their Arsenal connection.

As I said on another thread and Jay said too here - look at his past. It stinks. He also had a hand in selling us Iwobi - if that doesn’t set off alarm bells nothing will.

The fact Arsenal fans would have given us Iwobi and we buy him for £35m also should be concerning about how ethically that transfer money has been spent

It’s ironic Kenwright only wanted to sell to somebody that let him retain an influence at the club. Whilst that may have been the case, like with the Benitez appointment he is ultimately being ignored for a footballing agent pal

Greg Anderson
73 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:38:17
If there is any actual reason in this madness, it is presumably that Moshiri wants a short-term Allardyce-type fix to get us to the end of the season (when there will be a search for a longer-term manager) and insists that an "experienced" guy take the job to minimize our chances of going down. All of the other "experienced" candidates have too much self-respect to take such a limited job, while VP is a shameless mercenary who wants to get himself back into the "big time." Lampard apparently wants an 18-month contract, so that rules him out too. And for the record, Joorabchian is not even a licensed agent, just a free-range parasite "consultant".
Derek Moore
74 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:39:51
Relegation odds are now into 9/2.

I've spent a part of the afternoon unwinding a good portion of my position on us beating the drop.

Moshiri, the builder of the worlds fastest and most expensive elevator to the championship.

This may be well be the final nail in the coffin.

Dave Lynch
75 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:43:40
It was me Jay who didn't know who Kia was/is.
Since, I've done a bit of research and I'm of the opinion we are royaly fucked.
If BK loves the club he should head straight to Lancaster Gate and beg the FA to ban this villain from operating in the prem.
See you in the championship boys... how the fuck has it come to this.
My heart bleeds.
Jim Bennings
76 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:53:17
To be frank, we deserve relegation this season.

From absolutely abject performance standards and even worse results on the pitch, to that horror circus unfolding off it with Moshiri chief villain and a handful of morlocks in the background like Kenwright, Kia ect ect.

At least Norwich and Newcastle have acted and done something to try and show the support a unity exists in fighting the dreaded drop.

Everton and Watford deserve relegation for continuous mental institute decisions.

Andy McNabb
77 Posted 26/01/2022 at 06:55:30
Good grief Charlie Brown - we are in a mess.

Maybe a simple solution is to do away with Z Cars? Can it be a coincidence that the two teams who run out to this tune have gone through more managers in the last few years than the rest of the league put together?

Jeff Armstrong
78 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:00:54
Red Echo this morning saying his imminent appointment is wide of the mark, let’s hope and pray this is the case, like others have said, Kia Joorabchian, get out of our club.

Now a name that’s piped up a few times on this thread for his dislike of Joorabchian… Arsene Wenger, wonder if he’s available for 4 months.

Terry Farrell
79 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:06:42
Farhad sends the letter to try to reassure the fans and now this. I hope it is just a rumour! What is the point of Dunc serving loyally as an assistant to countless top managers if he doesn't get a chance at doing it his way. Why the rush to appoint an unknown quantity? Why someone with a sketchy track record? I despair.
Anthony Hawkins
80 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:16:57
@Matt #3 - Peter Johnson wasn’t forced out by the fans - he was forced to sell either Tranmere or Everton due to conflict of interest. Only then did he sell Simonsen from Tranmere to Everton for a then most expensive ‘keeper price.

I don’t know enough about the prospective new manager to have a view on how well he’ll do. I don’t like the rumblings of influence Kai has

Derek Moore
81 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:17:57
Unusual for outlets as disparate as the Grauniad and Daily Fail reporting that Vitor is a done deal though Jeff? (#78)

The Red Echo running the opposite line? Just more fuel to the burning rumour then that this club is hopelessly disunited at the executive level.

There is dysfunction, and then there's Everton. I despair.

Eddie Dunn
82 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:22:16
I can't believe we have interviewed Lampard twice and plumped for this guy.
i presume Frank wanted a three or four year contract and guarantees of money to spend and transfer targets.
This Periera is supposedly taking the job till the end of the season and possibly beyond. A cheap option, short term and a big gamble.
As others have stated, Potter, Moyes, Lampard, even Rooney would have got nost fans on board.
Unfortunately this agent is a symptom of the disease aflicting football.
I read Steve Fern's info on Periera and hope that if he really does get the job, that his passion and balls of steel pay off.
It does look though, like we are facing a torrid second half of the season. At least our Portuguese and Brazillain lads will understand him.
The great game I fell in love with in the mid '70s has morphed into one very ugly, monsterous turd.
Andy Walker
83 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:26:02
Yet more evidence that Moshiri is the decision maker, NOT Kenwright. Kenwright wanted Moyes, but Moshiri went for Ancelotti, then he went for Benitez against Kenwright’s advice and now is going for Pereira against Kenwright’s advice.

Kenwright is the perfect guy for Moshiri to use to take all the flak from the supporters though. He’s playing us, and Kenwright is his perfect cover.

I just hope Moshiri’s recent debt to equity swap is a sign he’s planning to sell up and leave us alone, but by then it may be too late when we now almost inevitably fall into the Championship.

Bill Gienapp
84 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:32:21
Frankly, I'd take Ted Lasso at this point.
Ajay Gopal
85 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:43:35
I don’t know enough about Perreira to either welcome him or dismiss him, although his recent record does not inspire any confidence. What is really bothering me and I suspect most Evertonians is the growing influence of Kia Joorabchian in the running of our club. It is safe to assume that Evertonians don’t want a shady player agent to have such an outsized influence on operational matters of the club. Moshiri needs to get professional advice NOW, ideally someone with no vested interest on how to set up a professional management team and start implementing those recommendations IMMEDIATELY. That may not have an influence on the outcome of Everton’s chances of survival this season, but things can get far worse than relegation if Moshiri does not act professionally quickly. I wonder what is going through the players’ minds at this moment?
Danny Baily
86 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:44:37
Success can come from unexpected sources. It does feel like he would be a better fit for the likes of Watford though.
John Reynolds
87 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:45:59
Hopefully we've all just got carried away by a red herring article in the Mirror that was a perfect trigger with the Joorabchian influence and Moshiri taking another punt in the mix.

I don't get how the tide seems to have turned among so many of the fanbase on here & Twitter toward Lampard though. He did a decentish job at Derby County but fell short despite having lots of help from Chelsea with loan players. Then flattered to deceive at Chelsea before Tuchel really put the spotlight on his inadequacies.

Now, he's suddenly being called for as a new Messiah to resurrect Everton. I even saw someone demanding John Terry as his No 2. I think I'd rather take a punt on the crazy Portuguese fella. But if the only other name on the shortlist is Rooney, I want Wayne.

Peter Neilson
88 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:48:13
The cold hand of Joorabchian all over this which worries me. How we’ve come to this.
Joe Digney
89 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:49:47
I’ll back this fella just like I backed Benitez and every other manager we’ve appointed because right now once the final decision has been made we need to unite like never before to drag this squad over the line. It’s the way he’s been hired what bothers me.

Moshiri once again enticed into a decision by outside influences while blocking out the clear uproar from the fan base. Don’t see the point of the board if they can just simply get “overruled” when moshiri doesn’t feel like agreeing with them, is there absolutely no one at the club prepared to stand up to him? Was it brands and that’s why he finally got the bullet?

Just hope this fella can sort out a defence, get us to 5/6 wins then we can reassess in the summer.

Still need 1 or 2 players through the door this week. Latest rumour dele Ali is keen to come but he’s holding off to see who we appoint as manager first.

Colin Glassar
90 Posted 26/01/2022 at 07:56:27
I didn’t realise Frank Lampard was so popular on here.

Also, if Jorge Mendes can run Wolves I suppose Joorabchian will be allowed to run Everton. Moshiri is a fool and he’s now in the hands of a very sly and ambitious fool.

Woy was available. He could’ve been a contender. Just saying as we are now a complete joke of a club.

Nick Page
91 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:02:56
The Iranian mafia strikes again….dear oh dear
Iain Latchford
92 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:14:19
We seem to heading for a full on meltdown. Even if Lampard was offered the job he'd be well advised to steer clear of this car crash.
Neil Cremin
93 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:14:20
Why do I get the sense of resignation. Over the many years of supporting the blues, I always believed we would not go down. However, this time I have no opinion as to which manager, what type of manager will get something out of this bunch of players to prevent the drop. Although Benitez wasn’t my first choice, once appointed, I thought he would bring organisation and discipline which I believed was badly needed. Instead, he brought disruption and disharmony, if this resulted in wins, so be it but we all know the outcome.
All our efforts at looking at marquis or continental managers has resulted in failure. It is now time to reset the Everton way and go back to basics, look at successful and up and coming managers in the Championship who have the ambition to work at a higher level. Maybe we should have gone for Eddie Howe way back, who knows what we would have done with the millions.
My fear is that we are going to be the next Newcastle and worse that they stay up at our expense.
Si Pulford
94 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:14:36
Moshiri came in thinking he could circumnavigate FFP like many, many teams have been allowed to with slaps on the wrist etc.

However, the rules are tighter for those outside the established elite and he wasn't allowed to spend his way to titles. I'm convinced he would have if he could have, he seems daft enough.

Now that ship has sailed and he's exposed for what he is – a rich fool who's clueless about football, surrounded by idiots.

This seems like the inevitable conclusion. It's a car crash. As soon as I heard that Kia J was getting involved, I knew his race was run. Which unfortunately could spell disaster for us. I hope we have enough to stay up and ‘regroup' but, even if we stay up, the big question is ‘Where do we go from here…?'

We have no medical department, no scouts, no DOF, a board and owner that can't get a managerial appointment right in 5 tries, an academy that's not producing players. A chairman that doesn't listen to the board of directors, a dreadful squad, no clear vision. The list goes on. It leaves me wondering how you ‘regroup' or ‘go again' with all this going on!?

I'm not one for all the bed wetting that goes on after every bad result, but even if we stay up, we are in the worst state we've been in for decades. Bromley Moore or not.

Jerome Shields
95 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:18:06
Doesn't matter who is selected, they are going to jump on the merry go round of mediocrity that is the shambles that Everton currently is, for a short- term stay. Kovac and Garcia haven't been interested.

Lampard, last reports stated might meet Moshiri and Usmanov, but if this article is true he probably has had cold feet as well.

The only advantage is that might know some players who would be willing to come to Everton. Lampard would have difficulty, given the present state of the Club.

Gary Jones
96 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:21:54
Wow, what an utterly and thoroughly depressing morning read! It looks to me like a *vast majority* of ToffeeWeb are far more united at the moment than I've ever seen before. Indeed, we are even more united against this than when it became clear Koeman, Silva, Allardyce and Benitez had to go.

That is particularly worrying. Even in those dark days we had plenty of distractors on here who'd argue for keeping the manager and allowing time and delegated authority to change structure. However, I can't see many at all on this fighting for this appointment. So, let's deal with that.

Whilst his experience is not in the leagues we'd like to see;

- He is a manager with 15 years+ experience, and a win rate that exceeds even the most successful of our own recent managers by over 10%+.
- He's got a full-on spicy character with loads of passion and aggression that's clear to see,
- He apparently plays pressing / attacking / possession focused football.
- He'll connect to the portugese/brazilian core that we'll rely on over next 6 months.

. and, if he gets us to the summer, and keeps us in the premier league, it may allow more managers to come in as options (e.g. Potter could be realistic then, Moyes, Rangnik, Arteta, may move on, etc.)

Add to this the genuine concern that all other genuinely feasible options have their own huge risks (Lampard, Ferguson, Rooney) and the anger seems a little off kilter.

However, all that being said I SHARE THE VASTLY ACCELERATING ANGER TOO. The removal of Brands has shown in daylight just how disfunctional the club is. Bill still wants his toy set, but Moshiri clearly doesnt trust him to the level he lied about in the email. If he did, Joorabchian would be nowhere near this club, or this decision. The same happened with Benitez and that is proving to be the worst decision we've taken in 10 years.

However, if Moshiri doesnt trust Bill, and he doesn't have a Brands any more. who else is he supposed to get advice from? It really is a major fucking mess, and it suggests that no matter who we pick this isn't going to get better soon.

Moshiri has a choice:

1) Move Bill/DBB into roles focused only on stadium and community. Make it very formal, and if neither like it then they know where the door is. Appoint a REAL FOOTBALL CEO, and let them create an organisation empowered to make decisions and drive transformation. Make sure Periera is given 2 cloud lifting midfielders before monday (Alli/Barkley and Gueye back would be do for now, although Zakaria would be one i'd like most!).

2) Back Bill and the Everton way. Let him put Rooney or Ferguson in formally. Surround them with Cahills/Nevilles/Baines/Pinaars/etc and at least have an identity with passion.

Unfortunately I don't think Moshiri will do either. He'll appoint the manager he wants (or the one his 'advisor' tells him is best) and put his head in the sand that Bill and his gang will get behind them then, in 6-12 months we'll be right back here again when they don't.

For me, this is now a cross roads. Moshiri needs to drive real change RIGHT NOW (not just manager) or he MUST become the focus of our anger. Like some have said above, if that means the new stadium dies for a bit, then so be it because it is FAR better than the whole club that is dying in front of our eyes.

Iain Latchford
97 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:22:10
I just read that now Moshiri has done a U-turn, and wants to interview Kovac and Garcia. What an absolute circus this is.
Dale Rose
98 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:23:26
Fuck me
Robert Tressell
99 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:23:35
At the moment we need a motivator who can organise a defence - and hopefully attract a decent midfielder to the club in the next dew days.

Pereira might be that. But he's not a long term appointment. I am very confident he won't last 18 months here. It really wouldnt surprise me if he keeps us up but is sacked January 2023.

Appoint him by all means just to freshen things up and give the club a lift but the real planning starts now for his successor and the medium to long term shape of the squad. Otherwise this hire and fire cycle will see us relegated.

For me, that means we need a DoF to be appointed to oversee the longer term vision beyond this very short termist appointment.

Wolves have done very well from being agent led in recruitment, but I think they've just found a better agent than we have.

Steve Shave
100 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:24:27
Woke up to this news. I am not surprised. I agree with everyone on here that this guys increasing influence over our club is a concern. However, if Periera is our new manager we MUST get behind him and put aside our unrest, at least until we are safe from relegation.

Well said Gary (96) he is not as left field a choice as is made out by some, his "profile" is not without its plus points (as indicated by Steve F, nice to see you back on here btw Steve). He could actually get the place rocking, lets just get behind him because this appointment will turn quickly toxic if the fans continue down this route of animosity, that will translate to the team. We need them playing with a little belief.

If its a 4 month contact with an option of another year then its not the end of the world, it's probably heavily incentivised to keep us up and we have the option to bin him off at the end of the season and go for a better option if Periera is not for us. He may surprise a few and deserve the benefit of the doubt if this is what Mosh wants to do. Cooper at the end of the season anyone? I do not understand this collective yearning for Chelsea legend and inexperienced manager Frank Lampard at all!!

Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:25:34
If he comes, I hope he's that good that Man Utd end up taking him at the end of his 4-month contract? A contract that shows how much Moshiri is learning on the job. Fucken four months, nobody is having him off anymore!

Reading about Joorabchian, it's clear to me that one of the most intelligent and innovative football men that this country has ever seen was Arsene Wenger, and I can't believe Moshiri hasn't at least approached this fella, even if he hasn't been a football manager for a few years now; he's possibly one of the very few men who could save Everton right now imo.

Farhad Moshiri, the man who just keeps giving, has just crept into number one, ahead of “What a manager. Good on yer, Bill. Our Bluetiful Saviour!”

Mal van Schaick
102 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:32:06
We’ve had a succession of foreign managers without success and we are in a real mess because of it, especially on the player front.

We can only wait and see.

Billy Roberts
103 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:34:24
John Daley @49

"Mooncalf" brilliant hysterical description.

Although Arsenal were eventually entangled by this human version of Japanese weedknot ( I may have invented a new plant species there) they ironically also benefitted by his Iwobi con trick on us to £30+million.

Your post...like Garth Merengues Dark Place has made me laugh...and cry. and shit myself!!!

Nick Page
104 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:35:18
Imagine if we get relegated and Moshiri sold up to Mike Ashley…..it could easily happen

Secondly, will the club pet be kept on as Assistant again? Those comments yesterday regarding Rooney are very interesting….

I wonder how the conversations go with new managers? Something like, “Here's a pot lid of cash but you have keep Duncan on because he loves the club and he's be lost without it. He's kind of harmless like so just pretend he's not really there.” Which in itself would be terribly sad.

Bill Fairfield
105 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:37:09
Another giant stride along the road to ruin.
Neil Lawson
106 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:40:19
Just last week many of us received a long email from Moshiri telling us, amongst other things, how important we fans are and how he would take account of our views.

That was last week… This week, plainly he can not give a toss. What a tosser.

Marc Hints
107 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:41:25
Wow just read this on several articles on the internet

1860 Munich consulted Kia Joorabchian before appointing Pereira, and the super agent was spotted in owner Moshiri's director's box at Goodison Park on Saturday.

Of Course 1860 were relegated to the third tier under Pereira

Anthony Flack
108 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:45:39
This is a tough thread to read

But we actually have somewhere between no and very little idea who has been interviewed, how often, what the super agents involvement is or what the board support or not.

It’s guesswork and supposition

On the other hand the concern about our utter demise is spot on, but we are far from done yet.

We’ve had enough of the super managers who’ve done it before - so as an earlier poster stated success can come in surprise packages

The most important thing we can do is try and contribute to recovery and success by getting behind the new manager and team, and where necessary and effective challenging and protesting where there are changes needed.

Apologies for probably stating the blindingly obvious

Mark Dunford
109 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:46:40
I despair.
Colin Glassar
110 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:47:57
I know next to nothing about Pereira except that he’s won next to nothing recently and got a once powerful team relegated (echoes of Benitez?).

Lampard I’m not 100% convinced of. Blew a championship playoff final with a team of great young players then had a meltdown at Chelsea with a team full of great young players. I know the media love him but does Kia?

The other guys in the hat, Garcia and Kovac excite me more but they are builders of teams, not magicians.

It won’t happen now, but for a short term fix I’d still go with Rooney-Ferguson. They’d manage to scrape the points to survive then we could take stock in the summer.

A cautionary note to those reading super gossip, Fabrizio Romano. Apparently, he’s an agent as well and sells his “scoops” on behalf of other agents to highlight their respective clients. Uefa/fifa need to get a grip on this.

David Bromwell
111 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:51:58
Many of you will have received an email from Moshiri this week, usual Club bull. Anyway I sent what I thought was a suitable reply.

After reading the latest news concerning our vacant managers post, I now fully expect to receive a call for my interview. Don't worry if I get the job I probably won't be there too long but the pay off will be good for my pension.

Apologies to all who are following these posts, what must the players think? It's a sad mess and so very depressing. How on earth did Moshiri make his fortune?

Truth is I don't care, but the fact that he seems intent on ruining our club really matters, and we must do what we can to let him know how we feel.


Robert Tressell
112 Posted 26/01/2022 at 08:55:49
Colin, my take is that Garcia and Kovac are (like many) the beneficiaries of teams / squads built by well run clubs.

They are not builders of teams.

Since we are a badly run club with a no apparent strategy when it comes to recruitment, I don't hold out much hope for these sorts of managers.

There's a lot of work to do behind the scenes. If we get that right then we might find the appointed manager starts to look more competent.

Craig Walker
113 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:08:16
“… what would Everton do?”

There have been lots of times in my 47 years of supporting the Blues where it hasn’t been great on the pitch but my loyalty has always been underpinned by the pride of being an Evertonian and for what the club stood for. Supporting Everton at the moment is like being in a never ending nightmare. Players who are not good enough, bleeding the club dry. An owner who WILL not listen. Even the odd isolated event is being used by the media to tarnish our fans’ reputation. It’s an utter shambles and there is no end in sight.

Pereira will get my backing but it’s hard to envisage anything other than relegation. We just seem destined to be on a path of failure and to finally fall through the trapdoor into the championship.

I don’t know whether to feel sad, angry or just to finally accept that the feeling we enjoyed in the mid to late 80s at being the best club in the land isn’t going to be relived for a very long time and possibly, it never will happen again.

Bill Fairfield
114 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:10:56
The club is totally in the hands of outside influences. So depressing.
Alan J Thompson
115 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:19:14
I'm fast getting to the point that I couldn't care less or have any responsibility for whoever gets the job but when the decision is made I would like to know, in detail, just what made him the preferred candidate because at the moment I can't see anyone taking any responsibility, is there an adult anywhere in charge without any self-interest other than a shareholding?

And the winner is, envelope (any colour?) please

Nick Page
116 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:28:17
The RS got rid of Hicks and Gillet….it can happen if the support pulls together for the greater good. Apathy in this instance simply won’t do. Very depressing indeed.
Nick Page
117 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:28:28
The RS got rid of Hicks and Gillet….it can happen if the support pulls together for the greater good. Apathy in this instance simply won’t do. Very depressing indeed.
Danny O’Neill
118 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:28:48
Marc, did you have to mention 1860 Munich? Talk about mismanagement and extreme rollercoaster rides. Back in the professional fold now, but only as German football introduced a 3rd Tier of the Bundesliga around 2008 as they would otherwise be languishing in the regional / semi-professional leagues.

Early success in the 60s when the Bundesliga was first established in it's current format. Ahead of their city rivals at the time, but superseded and overshadowed throughout the 70s. A bit of a resurgence in the 2000s including a 4th place finish that saw them qualify for the qualifying round of the Champions League only to go out at the first hurdle and into the UEFA Cup.

The humility of their city neighbours, now a super club on the world stage offering to bail them out with a donation to pay off their debt. Can you imagine the humiliation?

Further mismanagement and relegation after relegation, financial ruin and back into the regional leagues.

It's like reading about Schalke on steroids.

And I can't help having nervous parallel thoughts.

FA Cup to turn our season. Thinking positive. Trying to think positive.

Brian Harrison
119 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:35:22
Only a few days ago all season ticket holders were sent an email from Moshiri saying that going forward he wanted to communicate and listen to the fanbase as in his words we are the main lifeblood of the club, What utter bollocks. This man in 5 years has managed to appoint 2 managers who the majority of fans didnt want and if rumour is right is about to do the same again. There were other names on the so called list that most fans could have got behind, but I am afraid this appointment will cause nearly as much division as did Allardyce.

According to press reports the board are against this appointment just as they were opposed to the Benitez appointment. If that is the case then their positions surely become untenable and they have no option but to resign. Although as we see from our own Prime minister they would rather try and cling on rather than do the honourable thing and resign.

I also thinks it makes Duncan Fergusons position untenable, in as much its quite obvious Usmanov/Moshiri have no faith in giving him an opportunity so what is the point of staying on.

So it seems that Kia Joorabchian carries more sway with Moshiri than the members of the board, what a position to be in when Moshiri would rather appoint a manager who is represented by this agent than appoint a fit and proper manager. The tell tale sign is there just like it was with the last manager they both managed in China because nobody else wanted them. Despite the sackings in the premier league we are the only club that is linked to Pereira that tells you all you need to know.

Marc Hints
120 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:42:56
Danny #118

Thanks for the insight mate, I am aways trying to stay positive, its hard work though being an Evertonian

Joe McMahon
121 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:44:28
FFS, if this happens I'm done. Just baffled, and there was me thinking Frank Lampard would be the sensible choice.

An embarrassing shambolic pathetic state this club is in. Here's to another 27 years of good times!

Joe McMahon
122 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:44:31
FFS, if this happens I'm done. Just baffled, and there was me thinking Frank Lampard would be the sensible choice.

An embarrassing shambolic pathetic state this club is in. Here's to another 27 years of good times!

Andrew Clare
123 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:45:32
Our owner is completely in the sway of football agents. He is charmed by them just as he was charmed by Kenwright to buy Everton.
Oh how I wish that someone would buy our club and rescue us from this fool. The trouble is that so much damage has been done I doubt if anyone would consider us as a viable option.
I would stick with big Dunc until the end of the season and then review the situation as all of the other options for manager don't fill me with great hope.
Bill Fairfield
124 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:48:07
Seems the email sent by Moshiri last week was a complete lie.
Alan Johnson
125 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:49:50
It's come to the stage where I think the whole things pointless. Why wind myself up about the stupid actions of Moshiri. There is nothing anyone of us can do to stop him. So it's into the championship we go...

Tony Everan
126 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:51:39
John 49, Billy 103, I nearly spat my cornflakes out at that one.
Brian Harrison
127 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:53:32
I think the fact that they are only offering him a 4 month contract, says everything about how confident they are about this appointment. And Pereira is just glad to have a job in the Premier League as was his predecessor.
Pete Clarke
128 Posted 26/01/2022 at 09:59:07
Time for the supporters to make themselves seen and heard against Moshiri the idiot and this super agent.
I worked in São Paulo, Brazil a few years ago and went to quite a few games at Morumbi Stadium to watch Corinthians, Palmieras and São Paulo.
A few of the Corinthian lads told me ( in 2010 ) there were hit men looking for the people responsible for the mess at the club which was the relegation season( not sure they went down though as big teams have a way of avoiding that in Brazil ).
Anyway, I now assume the Corinthian ultras were after this super agent who has now infiltrated our club.
Kenwright is probably seething at this himself but it was him who wanted control of the club and would only sell to somebody prepared to leave him to do that. Well, it’s going pear shaped now you buffoon and your equally to blame.
We need an immediate takeover by somebody with a brain in their head because Moshiri is dragging us into really dangerous waters right now.
Colin Glassar
129 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:00:08
Bill 124, that email was co-authored by Bill and Dame Edna. Moshiri just put his X on it.
Kunal Desai
130 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:00:21
Whether it's this fella or not, 4 points from the next two fixtures is an absolute must just to keep out heads above water. If we sink into the bottom 3 then psychologically I don't think we have it in us to get out.
Jerome Shields
131 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:01:13
It maybe that Pereira is Moshiri's choice, but Kenwright &Co are trying to get Lampard into the mix. Kovoc and Garcia have become available and maybe consideration, because they are South of France based. Pereira name has probably been released to put pressure on Moshiri.

No matter who gets the job it is all up in the air anyway. Everton needs a total rebuild.

I now think that Benitez like Ancelotti gave up, rather than being sacked. Both went because of the Transfer situation.

Think Brian #119 has the current situation in a nutshell. But Kenwright &Co and Duncan will just sit on though. They have done that for years, but now they are lookng totally barefaced. If Pereira arrives we will get a photo op of him being introduced by the Chief Executive to Bug Dunc and Unsie kitted out with Everton track suits at Finch Farm. ( We are here to stay in other words , Managers come and go. )

Can't believe this cycle of a merry go round of mediocrity will continue. , but there is no other show on the horizon.

Frank Knight
132 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:06:56
It’s all starting to feel a bit like the plot of ozark

Marty (Moshiri) acquires the club to clean Navarro (Usmanov) money. Making enormous loses to help hide away clean asset purchases and enable the debt pile to grow, pumping in clean money to clear debt.

They can finish the stadium and sell as a championship club, it looks cut price, £200-£500m lost but around £400m laundered through the years and eventually a further take on final selling price to give you a nice fat bank account of now clean money.

Of course I’m daydreaming but it does smell like money being cleaned.

Tony Everan
133 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:12:47
I am thinking that right now the manager is a secondary issue.

It’s all about the two midfielders we need to sign before Monday night. I’m not sure people of influence in the club fully understand how serious this business is for the club’s future. Their energy is seemingly being expended elsewhere.

If we sign these two players to make our midfield strong throughout the rest of the season ANY of the managers we are linked with will keep us up.

Make a decision!
Get someone in, review in June.
Get the best two central midfielders in that you possibly can.
Get a move on, the transfer window shuts in five days.

Sam Fitzsimmons
134 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:14:34
John Daly #49 That's some rap sheet for Kia Joorabchian. if you throw into the mix Usmanov it makes you wonder, besides concrete what else could be found in the foundations of BMD. I'm beginning to wonder is it incompetence with Moshiri or is there some deliberate fiscal shenanigans going on.
Jerome Shields
135 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:18:12
Tony#133

All the January Transfer business is done. Kia has sorted out midfield, but with unfortunately only one player on loan. All Digne money has been spent.

Kia is are new Off Shore Director of Football, Moshiri is no Offshore, he is on a different planet.

Rob Halligan
136 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:19:00
Kia Joorabchian is not somebody I know a great deal about. I got the impression he is a Football Agent, wheeling and dealing in player transfers. The following is an extract from his Wikipedia page, which states he is not a licensed agent.

“Although routinely described in the press as a football agent, Joorabchian is not a licensed agent. The involvement of unlicensed agents in transfers in the English Premier League is prohibited by the Football Association.[3] Joorabchian does not himself claim to be an agent, saying "I think the agency business is very different". He describes his business as advising players on their rights and clubs on transfers and contracts.[4]”

Now to me, he only advises, he does not push, or wheel and deal any transfers, or am I totally misunderstanding all of this? Apologies for the ignorance.

Paul Olsen
137 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:19:26
If this goes through I have absolutely NO faith in us making positive strides. Why, why, why? He has never done anything out of the ordinary as a manager. No ties to the club, no defining philosophy, no nothing. Completely uninspiring
Iain Latchford
138 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:21:37
On separate point, are any members trying to buy tickets online for the Brentford game? Supposed to go on sale at 10am, but still saying not available. Can we get anything right!??
David Nicholls
139 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:25:56
I feel Perreira is being unfairly written off on here and I suspect many of his detractors have never seen one of his teams play.

He does have some pedigree at least, albeit in less competitive leagues, but let’s be honest, if you took sentiment out of the equation, neither Duncan or Rooney would even be close to consideration.

I’m happy to get behind this.

Finn Taylor
140 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:28:39
I am not meaning to be dramatic when I type this, but the Club is disintegrating.

It appears dysfunctional from top to bottom, people pulling in different directions, with different opinions and egos... no one really knows what is happening but from the outside, it looks like there is no cohesion whatsoever.

Hard to call what is really going on; what we read in papers and online, probably only scratches the surface.

Right now, Id take Big Sam back over Pereira. I know. But that's how desperate we are.

Pat Kelly
141 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:29:14
If it's a four month rescue mission can we afford to wait for Pereira to get up to speed on the players and the PL ?
Mark Taylor
142 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:31:02
It's not so much whether Pereira is the best choice, though someone with no EPL experience and a track record of relegation does not seem ideally qualified.

It's the way the appointment is happening and the apparent arrival if not appointment of a new DoF in Joorabchian who has a dubious track record of inflicting pain and loss on clubs he is associated with, but always with ample financial gain for himself.

I'm thinking now of Paul the Esk's excellent series on governance. It's clear we don't have any. I can't work Moshiri out. He has sunk a massive amount of money into the club so he is either a total fool or there is some other hidden motivation at play here.

James Marshall
143 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:33:53
Personally I couldn't care less if a player or manager has ties to Everton - football has moved on, we haven't in many ways.

Players couldn't care less if Duncan Ferguson has an Everton tattoo and "playing for the shirt" means so much - they just don't share all that sentimental bullshit in today's game and that's a large part of the reason we're in this mess today.

All the bluster over Duncan getting the job, and all those videos posted online by the club in the lead-up to the Villa game made me cringe.

We need to modernise, stop going on about the past, stop relying on ex-players & managers/coaches/ball boys/tea ladies and that's what Moshiri is attempting to do - the trouble is he's doing it all wrong as well, especially with Joorabchian in the mix.

In a way Moshiri has it right, in that he's trying to relieve us of this millstone of history round our collective necks but supporters are less keen and keep clinging to the hope that Duncan or Wayne Rooney (Manchester United legend) are going to ride in on a white horse and fix it all.

At what club do they have success built on sentiment? Name me one. Clue: there aren't any. End of quiz.

The issue to me appears to be the 'boys club' mentality - Joorabchian and Moshiri are both Iranian (despite Joorabchian claiming to be British/Canadian) so I imagine there's a deeper 'business' connection than we dare think about going on behind the scenes...

We wanted money, we got money - we also got the Moshiri/Joorabchian/Usmanoz axis. Be careful what you wish for eh.

Finn Taylor
144 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:34:49
Exactly Pat (141) His lack of experience in the PL experience concerns me, hence why I have reluctantly advocated Sam A. In any sane world, he shouldn't be anywhere near the club, but, we are no longer sane...

I really hoped we may sign a few loans before the window is shut and a striker too... but alas, it would appear our business is done, from what I am reading? Does anyone know if this is correct - we can't move for anymore players?

Dave Abrahams
145 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:37:45
I’d never heard of this fella until the other day when I read about him on ToffeeWeb, know about the agent, hope this story is a false one, if not, there is nothing I or any other fan can do about it. I will still get behind the team and hope for the best, or is it too late, it’s like a never ending nightmare being an Everton fan now.
Derek Knox
146 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:39:34
Nick Page @ 117 " The RS got rid of Hicks and Gillet….it can happen if the support pulls together for the greater good. Apathy in this instance simply won’t do. Very depressing indeed "

Ignoring the first part for obvious reasons, I think you have hit the nail on the head, with the rest of your post. We as fans have more power than any Boardroom in reality, it's just getting everyone, and there are thousands, to act as one.

I know it's painful, especially if you have prepaid, for a Season Ticket and never missed a Match, Home or Away for years, and those fans' loyalty could never be questioned, but how is that loyalty being rewarded ? To not show up inside the Ground but protest outside, at a Televised Match would have a massive impact.

The '27 for 27' movement had very little, or noticeable impact, but I believe it did initiate the 'Aerial Banner' being flown before the last match against Villa. That seems to have ignited (at long last) some recognition at Boardroom Level (?) or above (?) which resulted in Benitez being shown the door.

It shows what a shambles the ' hierarchy (if you can call it that) are when they sack a very unpopular Manager, when the finger of blame then was being pointed at Kenwright.

While I don't think too many are shedding tears over Rafa's departure, it was another case of Blaming the Monkey, not the Organ Grinder.

The sad aspect of all of this we as fans are seemingly unable to 'stop the rot' but are we ? I have read almost every post on TW recently, and am as anxious as the next man, to get Everton back to the Club we all love, and have done for years.

Having said that, like most of us, if we are honest enough, we all look at Clickbait = Newsnow Everton, which I know mostly is rubbish, but it's amazing how many times that fans' views get mentioned and seem to influence Moshiri and his Bungling Board too !

Andrew Ellams
147 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:41:52
One interesting point is that if the a new manager is to add to the squad he has until Monday night to do it.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

148 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:42:07
Pete @ 128.

Corinthians WERE relegated and bounced straight back as runaway Serie B champions the next season. In their first three seasons back in Serie A they finished 10th, 3rd, champions.

ALL achieved 'sem Joorabchian' who was booted into the long grass.

Dave Abrahams
149 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:42:37
Ian (138), if you live local and you are a season ticket holder you can go to Goodison Park and buy your ticket for the Brentford cup tie there.
Peter Carpenter
150 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:44:15
It used to be fun coming on here and reading the various comments, now it's just depressing.

The club is a shambles, in the full control of a man who knows nothing about football, advised by shady characters who also know nothing but have their own agenda.

There appears to be open warfare between the majority shareholder (he's not the owner – you can't own the fans, the history, the feeling we get from supporting our club) and the board. And it's not as if the board is a sensible counterweight to him, it's just another faction promoting their own interests under the direction of a man with a huge ego who seems to believe he is the club.

We, the supporters, customers, consumers are powerless to affect this downward spiral. We are utterly ignored.

Maybe Perreira, against all logic, will be a success but it will be more by luck than judgement. We are playing with fire and time is fast running out. We haven't yet bottomed out and others around us are showing signs of life.

1994 and 1998 were both bad but there was at least a sense of fight and a determination to stop the worst happening no matter what. That isn't around now. I can imagine Goodison quiet and just accepting the decline. There aren't enough characters in this team to turn it round.

Maybe we deserve it, to be honest we have stunk the Premier League out for almost it's entire existence. We are like British industry 1970s. Out of date, dysfunctional, not fit for purpose, overtaken by more modern thinkers.

I hope I am wrong but, sadly, I think we will be starting next season in the Championship – probably with Wayne Rooney in charge. Kenwright and Moshiri, you have killed your baby.

(Can someone post something optimistic, please!)

Finn Taylor
151 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:44:23
James (143) you are totally correct. One of the biggest issues we have moving forward is reverence to the past.

I cant stand z-cars and the dreary dirge 'grand old team' that is played before the team comes out. Sacrosanct for some I know, but...

It took that lot a good few years to realize that clinging to the past becomes a hindrance.

Dale Rose
152 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:44:37
Fuck me thrise... I can't believe this. No PL experience, alleged super agents. We are in the fight of our lives here for survival in the PL.

Let's get Sooty in. Alan Carr as DOF.

Mick Roberts
153 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:47:43
Be carefull of what you wish for certainly came to pass in our case wished for a buyer got one but knows nothing about football but wants to interfere with everything totally clueless just sell up moshri do us all a favour and fuck off we were better without your money
Peter Neilson
154 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:49:12
Joorabchian arranged the meeting with Benitez, Usmanov and Moshiri in Sardinia. He’s been trying to sell Richarlison even though he’s not his agent. He was fundamental in lining up the transfer of Iwobi. He was the instigator of Arsenals disastrous signing of Willian and David Luiz (one season contract for £24m including £6m agent fees). He got his grubby fingers in the James Rodriguez transfer. He helped get Pereira into 1860 Munich. Add to that his record in third party ownership and issues in Brazil including an arrest order (documented elsewhere recently by Jay Wood). Oh and his attempt to buy West Ham although he had no money. The list goes on.

Maybe this is the kind of guy Moshiri usually works with, who knows? He’s certainly come a long way since running his family’s Vauxhall dealership into administration in 2009. The guy epitomises the self serving leeches who have infiltrated the game. More shame on Moshiri for listening to him.

Allen Rodgers
155 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:49:55
Dave 149, the STH window for Brentford opened a week ago. I bought mine online on the 19th. I think Ian is talking about the window for those in the Official Members scheme.

I believe Brentford are bringing about 4,500 fans so tickets could be in short supply.

P Ron Wells
156 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:51:24
Moshiri is a train crash that has happened with Kenwright as the guard, and we are already in the aftermath.
Together they have wrecked our club while we have looked on astounded at such imbecility for 5 years.
I see no good outcomes from this situation.
If I was a betting guy I would put money on Rooney to be our manager in the championship next season.
John Raftery
157 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:53:49
Let’s hope for the best. For those who like to plan their holidays around the fixture list the EFL Championship Season 2022/23 starts on 30th July. It breaks for the World Cup from 12th November to 10th December.
Peter Neilson
158 Posted 26/01/2022 at 10:54:50
Iain (138) I put a comment on the 4th round thread a couple of days ago. Something went wrong with some season ticket holders buying Brentford tickets. Wouldn’t surprise me if there were issues in what’s on sale now. Club confirmed it to me. As Dave said it’s call into office or a long wait on the phone.
Barry Hesketh
159 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:02:10
The fans cannot force a sale of the club by Moshiri, it's impossible, unless or until he decides he no longer wants to own the club. Then there is the small matter of finding someone who does want to buy the club, we haven't got the attractiveness that Liverpool held when Hicks and Gillette owned them.

The team is and probably always has been the focus for many supporters, the lads who are chosen to represent Everton FC on the pitch are the only people who can turn the tide of failure and prevent the club from falling out of the division. No matter how the club is run and by whom, it doesn't really help us score goals or prevent them. I think any demonstrations or protests at this particular time will help to seal our fate.

We should try and give the players as much support as possible, despite the owner or the manager we have. If we do manage to retain our premier league place, we can then examine and explore how to put pressure on the owner and the board, but doing it now, in the position we are in, could prove to be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I'm as unhappy as the next Evertonian with where we find ourselves as a club, but I'm loathe to add to the chaos and thus be held partly responsible for the relegation of the club, I'd much rather play a small part in helping the team escape the trap-door.


Barry Rathbone
160 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:02:16
I don't know who he is but his name seems marvellously heroic.

Nontheless, I have ignited the torch and grasped the pitchfork whilst studiously rehearsing "HE HAS TO GO!" in readiness for his first defeat.

I wonder if we could do this new "Everton thing" of piling on him even before he sets foot in the place?? - Oh! lookee, lookee - seems I'm a tad late

Dave Abrahams
161 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:03:07
Allen (155), fair enough Allen, didn’t know about all the Brentford supporters coming to the game,I thought it would be a relatively low attendance, given the depressing feeling amongst the fans now, although I bought my ticket at the ground last Wednesday, the feeling since last Saturday has hit rock bottom and still sinking.
Rob Halligan
162 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:03:11
I agree with David # 139. Hardly anybody knows anything about Pereira, except maybe Steve Ferns, or is this all to do with Kia what’s his face?

Coming into the premier league for the first time, and mid season, may not be the best thing to do, but all this “Got no experience of Premier league football “ is just bollocks. The premier league is the most watched league in the world, every manager throughout will know the premier league, the clubs and their players. We all know how the likes of Man City, Chelsea, the RS etc play, and our own team of course, so you can bet your bottom dollar so do complete outsiders. Mourinho, Wenger, klopp and Tuchel had never stepped foot in this country to manage, but they seemed to have done ok. Aside from the structure of the club, which has been well documented by every Tom Dick and Harry on this site, Pereira will be here to oversee the football side of the club, not what goes on elsewhere.

I’m not saying I’m totally in favour with this appointment, but If he’s appointed, then we’ve all got to get behind him.

Brian Murray
163 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:05:25
Darren hind post 42. Don’t shoot the messenger kidda. I’m only repeating what Rooneys dad told my bro. Rooneys adulation as a kid for Dunc means jack if he doesn’t rate him as a coach surely. We will soon find out if the obvious stipulation is in place that Ferguson has to stay no matter who is appointed. Different scenario and different world but Ancelloti when he got the Chelsea job wanted his own back room. Chelsea asked him to first look and work with the existing staff for a while. Carlo I quote was blown away by the set up there. Cob ham and the coaches etc. None of that tittle tattle or here say that’s fact as the fat kopite used to say.
Alex Gray
164 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:07:02
The fact he’s even following Kia’s advice should be enough reason to protest alone. Apparently gone against the board to appoint Vitor. Got tickets for the Brentford game is there expected to be protests?
Phil Wood
165 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:11:18
This is mental!
I cannot understand the Owners logic.
Pereira is a "massive" gamble.
Lampard is the safest bet I can see and would attract the right type of player with his reputation and contacts.
Of course we all support the Club whatever happens but Jesus we are not having our lives made easy.
Dale Rose
166 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:12:36
Fuck me thrise... I can't believe this. No PL experience, alleged super agents. We are in the fight of our lives here for survival in the PL.

Let's get Sooty in. Alan Carr as DOF.

Shane Corcoran
167 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:14:04
You have to hand it to Kenwright. He spent so long trying to ensure he got the right man to invest in the club and he came up with Moshiri.

Agent Benitez? More like Agent Kenwright.

Andrew Clare
168 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:15:17
Frank # 132,

I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what is happening.
No one becomes as rich as Moshiri without shady business going on.
Looked at our beloved Queen and our former Prime Ministers with money hidden away in offshore accounts. Look at the lies of the present government siphoning money away at the tax payers expense
These people operate in a different world. Taxes are for the poor not the rich.

Neil Lawson
169 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:17:53
Moshiri is routinely described as a businessman. In any business you aim to select the right man for the job.
It beggars belief that if a short term appointment is considered the way forward that you would pay outrageous sums of money to bring in a man and all his acolytes who have little or no knowledge of your working practices, your employees and especially of the critical position of the company. Time would be required. Time is not available. Utter folly and quite ridiculous.
Dave Williams
170 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:26:03
If this guy is as bad as some say then the board need to threaten to resign en masses if he is appointed as the first duty of a director is to look after the well being of their company.
I don’t know anything about him but if he gets the job the fans simply have to support him. More protests at this point will only do one thing and that is give the players yet another excuse not to perform
Christopher Timmins
171 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:33:44
Shane # 167

Absolutely spot on. Indeed, Kenwright made an absolute meal of the fact that he spent so much time in the guys company in order to ensure that he was the correct fit for the club before bringing him on board.

Bringing Moshiri to Goodison Park will prove to be the biggest mistaker that Kenwright has made as Chairman. I would think that Kenwright is already aware of this but is now powerless to do anything about it.

If VP gets the job I wish him well as he has a massive task ahead of him. The task will be made all the more difficult from the off as he will be seen to be Kia's choice. At this stage Kia is up there with Rafa in the popularity stakes.

Steve Brown
172 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:42:11
Asking a football agent for advice on running the club is like asking a cannibal for tips on how to lose weight.
Jerome Shields
173 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:43:51
Personally, I would prefer Lampard got the job ; He might be able in bring some know how into midfield and provide structure for younger players to play in the side. But it will be difficult to recruit players that want to play at Everton and keep the better existing players. Whether he will be able to manage in the current Everton structure, with the Everton peculiarities of Finch Farm and with the present Board & Management or even want to is another question.

I know that Big Dunc managed that reviving defeat of Chelsea, but I thought that Chelsea where the better footballing team that day, though Lampard did seem to lose the Chelsea dressing room as that season progressed.

I think he is the best chance of avoiding regelation , which now is a very tall order and if relegated may be able to turn the Team around , once the shackles of Everton, the Peoples Club a d all that goes to with it, are off.


Jay Wood
[BRZ]

174 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:44:18
Dave @ 75. Perfectly understandable you didn't know what 'Kia' stood for. It sounds like a Korean car, a Swedish furniture maker, a fizzy drink.

Quite clearly Kia Joorabchian is filling a vacuum at Everton FC in the absence of a DoF or any senior football man. He is not salaried staff. He is not a director, executive or non-executive. Yet he is somehow the power broker in our search for a new manager. According to reports he was sat in the stands (in Moshiri's absence) at Goodison v Villa.

Some in this thread are ignoring all the noise of the motorway pile-up of how Everton under Moshiri have self-sabotaged the club in the last six weeks, never mind the entire six years of his ownership.

They focus on 'let's get behind the new manager and give him our full support.'

For me, that is a given. Why would anyone want an Everton manager to fail? All the more so given the precarious position we are in.

But IMO you simply cannot ignore what a clusterfuck of a club we are at the moment. The haplessness and incompetence of Moshiri - yes, Moshiri - is bewildering.

Some fans have dismissed out of hand the spectre of relegation this season, based on nothing more than bravado and wishful thinking. Nobody has put up a rational cogent case based on empirical or statistical evidence (or both) as to why we are NOT at risk.

Six points out of 42 from our last 14 games. One win. Three draws. Defeats against considered relegation candidates Watford, Palace, Brentford and Norwich. A run that reads:

DLLLDLLLWLDLLL

The hoped for 'new manager' bounce with Duncan's return v Villa didn't happen. Newcastle away and Leeds at home to follow.

Only 3 teams have lost more games than Everton's 11 this season - Brentford (12), Norwich and Watford (both 14). Even Burnley (8) and Newcastle (10) have lost fewer games than us.

And a dodgy dealer is attempting to push Vitor Pereira on us.

Now it is far from confirmed. EVERY signing - manager or player - can go either way. Success, or failure. But you can still tilt the numbers in your favour with good scouting and considering the pros and cons.

Much is made of Pereira's ability to win the league in Portugal, Greece and China. Let's look at that a bit closer.

Pereira benefited from inheriting a highly functioning Porto team which, in the season before Pereira took command, had won the Portuguese league under Villas-Boas at a canter.

In a 16 team league - 30 league games - Porto were undefeated, gleaning 84 points from a possible 90. Second placed Benfica were 21 points adrift on 63 points, Sporting third 36 points behind on 48 points. Porto won a treble under Villas-Boas that season, adding the domestic cup and the Europa League.

Pereira's two titles and one defeat in the next two seasons looks impressive, but I lived in Portugal at that time and he was never widely liked by the Porto fans, who thought he was simply given a steering job of carrying on with Villas-Boas team. It was also acknowledged that the other two Portuguese super-clubs - Benfica and Sporting - were weak and in transformation.

To give further context to the 'achievement' of winning the Portuguese league, do you know how many different champions it has had in its entire history? Five.

Benfica has 37 titles. Porto 28. Sporting 19. Belenenses in 1946 and Boavista in 2001 are the only other champions.

The same could be said of his title at Olympiacos. EVERY manager wins the title with them! In 14 of the 16 seasons before Pereira, Olympiacos were crowned champions. They won it again with Pereira. They won it the next two seasons after he left.

China? Seriously. Who fucking cares?

His career path reads as someone who chases the bucks, rather than the glory or fulfilling a desire to prove himself in top leagues.

The following is a very eloquent and detailed assessment by a Fernerbache fan on Grand Old Team. It echoes a lot of what I saw for myself when he was at Porto and how Porto fans regard him.

Vitor Pereira By a Fenerbache Fan

Still, my deeper concern remains centred in the governance of Everton FC (or rather, the lack of it), which seems founded on crisis management, reacting to crisis our guardians have themselves created.

We are in an extremely precarious state right now. And nothing emanating from the club is reassuring me at the moment.

Tony Everan
175 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:48:27
I am surprised Lucien Favre hasn’t been more prominent in Mr Moshiri’s search. Sounds like he is ready to commit himself to a club and build a team. Is he letting Moshiri know this with his recent statement? A sticking point that he wants his own backroom team? He could well be a better bet than Pereira, stabilising and building a proper team, giving us incremental progress as we head towards the new stadium.

Favre’s statement:

“I will definitely go back to coaching. I still feel very fresh and enjoy good health. Now that I have recharged the batteries, I want to work for a few more years.

“I’m ready to get back into the game. But I’ll do it only when I find a project that convinces me 100 per cent and only if I can have people chosen by me by my side. It’s a question of trust.”

This manager could be a very good fit for us , the right man at the right time. A belated gift from the football gods.

Marc Hints
176 Posted 26/01/2022 at 11:54:28
Newcastle just spent 30 million on a midfielder and will spend more I should imagine.

You watch how quickly their owners move this club forward with great signings and a plan

Jerome Shields
177 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:01:37
Presently Everton are not even a good footballing side. So that must be a priority.
Andrea Jacobs
178 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:03:13
Jay #174
Great post.
We are going down if we appoint this guy.
Whether we get behind him or not, it’s irrelevant. We’ll scream and shout and support the team, what more can we do?
No one trusts that this is a sensible football appointment, if it happens.
It will become chaotic and desperate very quickly. It’s such an ugly scene.
If we all knew for a fact that Moshiri was deliberately trying to relegate us so he can sell the club and avoid building the stadium, there would at least be a kind of angry clarity to that, and all his moves so far would make sense.
But the truth is much more disturbing, sad and infuriating; we’re being run by an accountant who is dazzled and starry-eyed about mixing it in the glamorous World of football super-agents.
Marc Hints
179 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:04:05
I know Jerome - its just a depressing thought how quickly Newcastle will now become a top 6 or 4 team with money to spend and overtake us.
Danny O’Neill
180 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:08:39
Don't start me Tony Everan or I'll be off on one of my Germanic rants.

Big sign post in capital letters placed on the end of Moshiri's nose. Keep an eye on the Rangnick situation too.

Stark post Jay. But a reality of where we are.

Matthew Williams
181 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:15:28
Jerome #177 Nailed it totally!...our general play is so poor compared to the rest of the teams in the league it's untrue.

Improve that first and the results will follow,it might be a scary time but I believe we can easily beat the dreaded drop and go far in the Cup too...I'm thinking positive for a change!.

Gavin Johnson
182 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:16:10
Terrible appointment and will probably take us down.
Brian Murray
183 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:25:16
A report less than two hours ago from Alan Myers saying lampard is meeting with us. Is this his second interview although I’d like to believe Myers is usually more spot on than the news now garden fence crew etc.
James Marshall
184 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:30:03
You know things aren't good when 'Moshiri' and 'Everton Football Club' are both heavily trending on the Twitterverse.

What's Graeme Sharp up to by the way?

Answers on a postcard.

Also just read this: When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a King. The palace becomes a circus.

Brian Murray
185 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:32:07
Sharpy already got a crick in his neck from all the nodding he’s doing. Bk out
John Otway
186 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:40:48
If Sharpe was any further up Kenwright's backside, he'd be able to see DBB's feet.
Danny O’Neill
187 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:41:06
Potential whiplash I believe Brian?!! You just made me think of those car nodding dog ornaments from the Churchill insurance adverts a few years ago. Everton's board room meetings.

Someone earlier asked for something positive. Everton are going to pleasantly surprise us with the appointment and we have the FA Cup to look forward to.

I'm off out for some fresh air.

Brentford sold out. I know they've taken a bigger than usual allocation, but our dedication never ceases to amaze. A mere member like me didn't even get a look in.

Shane Corcoran
188 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:41:42
The betting on who will get it changes by the hour with Perreira 4/7 and interestingly (barely) Lampard now locked.

His price that is.

Luke Welch
189 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:49:41
I have a feeling the new castle ship is steadying and will start pulling away from the bottom. Everything about Everton at the moment, is chaotic fraught and stinks of panic.

Everything from the demonstrations to crowds throwing objects at players - to Bill facing the supporters and now graffiti on the walls of the stadium.

It's a sinking ship that's for sure! And it might just be our turn to go down- if we do I would rather have Rooney at the helm than Lampard.

Barry Hesketh
190 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:51:53
Just tried to by a ticket for the Brentford cup-tie, but the message "sold-out" appeared, incredible because I honestly thought this game would fail to attract more than 30k or so, even accounting for Brentford's allocation.
Ken Kneale
191 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:53:13
Jay - a most sobering post indeed - it splendidly captures us on a present position audit but sadly alludes that the future is far from bright - indeed it is potentially much darker. Your description of the owner is absolutely bang on the money.

How on earth have Everton Football Club arrived at this point in time - it seems inconceivable that the governance is so dammed poor and it has turned the fanbase apoplectic with rage, worry, and despair.

I am amazed, but perhaps not, that other board members simply do not walk as Brand's did - they may be able to retain some small shred of personal integrity and credibility - most of it has been eroded by their conduct to date in my eyes and why Graeme Sharp was weak or daft or both enough to take the offer goodness knows - he certainly needs to find a mouth and backbone quick.

What can seriously be done at the supporters level without eroding some support for a team that needs all the backing it can get on the field to try and maintain top-flight status?

Ken Kneale
192 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:53:14
Jay - a most sobering post indeed - it splendidly captures us on a present position audit but sadly alludes that the future is far from bright - indeed it is potentially much darker. Your description of the owner is absolutely bang on the money.

How on earth have Everton Football Club arrived at this point in time - it seems inconceivable that the governance is so dammed poor and it has turned the fanbase apoplectic with rage, worry, and despair.

I am amazed, but perhaps not, that other board members simply do not walk as Brand's did - they may be able to retain some small shred of personal integrity and credibility - most of it has been eroded by their conduct to date in my eyes and why Graeme Sharp was weak or daft or both enough to take the offer goodness knows - he certainly needs to find a mouth and backbone quick.

What can seriously be done at the supporters level without eroding some support for a team that needs all the backing it can get on the field to try and maintain top-flight status?

Ken Kneale
193 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:53:23
Jay - a most sobering post indeed - it splendidly captures us on a present position audit but sadly alludes that the future is far from bright - indeed it is potentially much darker. Your description of the owner is absolutely bang on the money.

How on earth have Everton Football Club arrived at this point in time - it seems inconceivable that the governance is so dammed poor and it has turned the fanbase apoplectic with rage, worry, and despair.

I am amazed, but perhaps not, that other board members simply do not walk as Brand's did - they may be able to retain some small shred of personal integrity and credibility - most of it has been eroded by their conduct to date in my eyes and why Graeme Sharp was weak or daft or both enough to take the offer goodness knows - he certainly needs to find a mouth and backbone quick.

What can seriously be done at the supporters level without eroding some support for a team that needs all the backing it can get on the field to try and maintain top-flight status?

Ken Kneale
194 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:53:23
Jay - a most sobering post indeed - it splendidly captures us on a present position audit but sadly alludes that the future is far from bright - indeed it is potentially much darker. Your description of the owner is absolutely bang on the money.

How on earth have Everton Football Club arrived at this point in time - it seems inconceivable that the governance is so dammed poor and it has turned the fanbase apoplectic with rage, worry, and despair.

I am amazed, but perhaps not, that other board members simply do not walk as Brand's did - they may be able to retain some small shred of personal integrity and credibility - most of it has been eroded by their conduct to date in my eyes and why Graeme Sharp was weak or daft or both enough to take the offer goodness knows - he certainly needs to find a mouth and backbone quick.

What can seriously be done at the supporters level without eroding some support for a team that needs all the backing it can get on the field to try and maintain top-flight status?

Ian Horan
195 Posted 26/01/2022 at 12:55:05
Hicks and Gillette exit from the RS was not just down their fans!! The only reason they exited the RS was the Royal Bank of Scotland threatened to foreclose on their loans. RBS brought in a quasi administrator and sold the club from underneath H&G for circa £265 mill. Us Blues can forget about Moshiri going that way as he appears to be funded by Usmanov so no foreclosure etc. We are in for a painful ride and relegation is a huge reality!!
Brian Murray
196 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:00:14
Danny O’Neill. Save up all your hall passes with the significant other for the Wembley visit and triumphant homecoming. Anyway off to town to go the room of nonsense to chat to other band members. ;( titanic ) What’s your gut feeling Danny. Lampard at least knows a good functioning midfield I’m sure as that’s where games are win and lost we keep hearing.
Jonathan Tasker
197 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:02:03
Please can we not change history.
Kenwright waited ten years and eventually found the only person that would give him a load of money and allow him to stay on.
Moshiri knows nothing about football.
Therefore he is totally reliant on an agent.
The agent, Kia Joorabchian is only interested in enriching himself.
So we end up with a situation where instead of looking at all the candidates available, Moshiri will only choose from a Joorabchian client.
Furthermore, the club will only appoint a Joorabchian client who is prepared to work alongside Ferguson. Even though, Ferguson has been a serial failure alongside 6 previous managers.
Alongside all of this, Everton have not made any serious attempts to strengthen the squad during the transfer window.
I’d previously thought Everton couldn’t be relegated.
Now I’m not so sure. And surely relegation would at the least delay the new stadium
Jonathan Tasker
198 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:02:05
Please can we not change history.
Kenwright waited ten years and eventually found the only person that would give him a load of money and allow him to stay on.
Moshiri knows nothing about football.
Therefore he is totally reliant on an agent.
The agent, Kia Joorabchian is only interested in enriching himself.
So we end up with a situation where instead of looking at all the candidates available, Moshiri will only choose from a Joorabchian client.
Furthermore, the club will only appoint a Joorabchian client who is prepared to work alongside Ferguson. Even though, Ferguson has been a serial failure alongside 6 previous managers.
Alongside all of this, Everton have not made any serious attempts to strengthen the squad during the transfer window.
I’d previously thought Everton couldn’t be relegated.
Now I’m not so sure. And surely relegation would at the least delay the new stadium
Len Hawkins
199 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:04:03
He may be a £billionaire but I wish Moshiri had bought some other club. His meddling is destroying Everton.

Kenwrights Uncle should have been a red neck and took him to watch them.

Without those two the club could actually have been mediocre mid table but no down is the way to go.
Will somebody wake me on April 2nd when this sick prank is all over.

Gary Jones
200 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:09:12
Palace, Brentford, Leeds, Watford, Norwich, Burnley, Newcastle….the only question now is whether we can finish ahead of 3 of them. Three of them have already schooled us this year, and one is blank check spending. If anyone knows voodoo - please ask them to look at these clubs and do their stuff.
Barry Hesketh
201 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:11:22
Danny and everyone else,
The Brentford game still has tickets available, I went via the link supplied by Everton fan services and lo and behold was able to buy a ticket.
Link


https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2453021/brentford-cup-tickets-on-sale-from-wednesday

Paul Hewitt
202 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:14:47
It's going to be Lampard, I just feel it.
Iain Johnston
203 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:18:47
Kia Joorabchian was also instrumental in QPR's implosion, Mark Hughes' 'advisor' at QPR & Stoke City. He also pocketed £11m of the £22m transfer fee when Tevez was sold to Man United.

Man's a parasite.

Mate of mine is an Arsenal season ticket holder, has been for decades. He's so thankful that Moshiri, Usmanov & Joorabchian got nowhere near owning the club.

Barry Hesketh
204 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:24:27
According to the Daily Mail, Pereira is ready to pull out of taking over as Everton boss, he's upset at being judged without those criticising not knowing him and he denies that Kia is his agent. Pereira has also made clear that he is not represented by an agent but by a lawyer and that he applied for the job through Bill Kenwright, who he has known for six years.

Link

Bill Fairfield
205 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:27:20
Lampard betting suspended on paddy power
Michael Lynch
206 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:29:22
Weird isn't it. Moshiri is a very rich man, who has spent a huge amount of money on a business, Everton FC. And yet he is seemingly prepared to accept the advice of a man who clearly has conflicts of interest.

I can't get my head round this at all. Either the media are feeding us bullshit, or our club on the precipice of disaster.

Brian Murray
207 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:30:49
If in doubt, talk to Frank. He may be a big Tory but surely less of a risk than the mad pork n cheese fella.
Tony Abrahams
208 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:31:03
Len@199, I'm certain that Kenwright did say he was once passed along the kop, to his uncle, (not down, across?) whilst giving a speech at one of the Hillsborough memorial services.
Tom Harvey
209 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:33:12
Paul Kernot @ 19

". just maybe a season in the Championship, with awayday trips to the likes of Birmingham & Cardiff is the only thing that might eventually wake our moronic board up. Nothing else seems able to. "

Hello Paul,

The board is fully awake, this is them at their best, one word sums us up: clueless!

Kia Joorabchian is now doing all the recruitment for our club, this is truly a "God help us!" time.

Michael Lynch
210 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:34:55
Barry @204 - a completely different take on things there. Not Kia, but Kenwright who put forward Pereira, and DBB is fighting for Lampard. Like I said earlier, maybe the media is not to be trusted and all these rumours are bullshit?
Soren Moyer
211 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:39:56
The ONLY bright side of this appointment, IF it happens, is that it can't be worse than Benitez with 1 win in 14!!! Surely.

Also, tbf, if its between this fella and Lampard, I'd chose him because at least we know he han shore up a leaky defense at least!

KIA OUT!

Brian Murray
212 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:40:24
Dbb fighting for lampard ? Hope that’s true but what she knows about football you could probably put on a matchbox. Now if he was homeless that’s a different story.
Tony Graham
213 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:43:45
Francesco, best of an uncertain bunch? We'll see…
David Pearl
214 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:51:38
Reading through these posts, l feel like I'm surrounded by men who are pretending to be women dressed as gossiping men. Each with a rock in their hand waiting for the right person to throw it at.

The failure of the Moshiri spending, sacking, spending, sacking, has us all just itching to jump on whoever is next for the hot seat. Nothing that a few wins won't cure though, is it?

These shit players were in 2nd not so long ago. Is it so hard to find a manager that can find the right formation and tactics to fit these players? Carlo came close… and l believe we are stronger now.

Apart from the fact that we have zero number 10s. l mean, Sigurdsson gone, James runout of town… and it didn't even cross our clubs mind (or him) that we should replace them. Help.

Danny O’Neill
215 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:53:03
I was on the fence with Lampard Brian. One thing he will bring (I think), is introduction of some of the young players we have been talking about.

If that happened, I would expect to see more of Dobbin and Branthwaite. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see Warrington closer to the first team squad. I'm trying not to get too excited about him, as I don't want him destroyed before he's started, but he impresses me every time I watch him.

I think that's what Lampard would bring and let's face it, the last decent performance and result we had was against Chelsea. I think we finished the match with 5 players under the age of 20 that night (don't quote me).

Report back from the board meeting in the Titanic.

Mike Kehoe
216 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:59:25
I don't have much faith in the footballing acumen of Moshiri but the club's most recent misadventures have been directly because Ancelotti so casually dropped us for Real Madrid. Moshiri has presided over the epic blunders of Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Benitez, but he did deliver footballing royalty if only to be easily discarded like the concept of compassion from a Tory.

This guy sounds like Silva mk2, another who can no doubt romance Moshiri in interviews with tales of daring do and his bold visions of building dynasties, etc. but judging by what I see from some established posters on here he is just another untried gamble when time is very much against.

Following this club has become such hard work in recent years, the ineptitude on display would be truly staggering if it wasn't so fucking consistent and so predictable.

Relegation may well be a reality this year and it would be so painful and unfair on the fans who have been let down so badly and for so long. But if it takes relegation to purge the club of those who have stripped every atom of credibility from the club, then so be it.

Christy Ring
217 Posted 26/01/2022 at 13:59:46
If Kenwright and Sharp are true Evertonians, they should walk away and say 'Goodbye ' to Moshiri. So much for listening to the fans view.

Joorabchian is a friend of Moshiri and Usmanov and Pereira's agent… unbelievable! We're a laughing stock, fighting relegation and give to a man with no Premier League experience, and sacked by Fernabahçe in the Turkish league. You couldn't make it up.

He'll sell Calvert-Lewin because he knows Rondon from his time in China, will make Iwobi captain because Joorabchian got Moshiri to buy him for £35M from Arsenal. Championship on the way…

Peter Carpenter
218 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:03:22
Breaking news from the Lala Land Gazette: Moshiri has appointed Perreira whilst the board have appointed Lampard.

First to Finch Farm to collect the locker key wins.

Stephen Vincent
219 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:06:01
The Red Echo is now reporting that Vitor has pulled out following fan unrest. Some bookies have suspended bets on Lampard. For what it's worth, the Mail report says that Kia Thingy is not Vitor's agent and that he applied for the job by getting his solicitor to contact Kenwright, who he has known for 6 years.

It seems to me that the club is just completely broken from top to bottom and that the fans are running it whether there is a fan representative on the board or not.

What a complete, total and utter shambles we are. It just breaks my heart that Kenwright, who still thinks that we have had 'good times' in the last 27 years, has been so selfish and self-serving over that period that he has brought us to this point and still believes that 'no changes at board level' are required, is still involved with our club at all.

I just dread opening my computer in the morning in case Judi Dench is our new manager. I swear it wouldn't surprise me.

Raymond Fox
220 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:07:41
Another one that will last 5 mins.

The best decision would be sack the players, or at least some of them if that was possible.
Is he any better manager than the all the other recent Everton managers, I think its safe to say no.

Nathan Jones
221 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:07:49
So somebody sprayed "Pereira out Lampard in" on a wall and now the board are reconsidering offering Pereira the job and Lampard is now the favourite.

I'm a bit far away, could someone pop down and spray "Pay Nathan £100k per week" on the wall?

I promise to pay any graffiti fines and to pay for the paint to restore the wall to its former glory.

Peter Carpenter
222 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:08:28
Update: Judi Dench impresses Moshiri at first interview.
James Alder
223 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:09:58
If we get Lampard in this week, maybe he can attract a couple of good players looking for loans before the deadline. Alli, Barkley or maybe Lingard.

He was a well respected player so he should get the existing players respect and if we get behind him who knows.

Mark Ryan
224 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:10:23
Steer clear of journeymen mercenary foreign managers and go for Lampard and all that he can bring to the team.

Move on from the usual nepotism within the club between Blue Bill, Rooney, Big Dunc and all that mullarkey that has not borne fruit for us and start afresh.

We need a young hungry manager, not sullied by Kenwright and his teary eyed monologues and go for youth, new ideas, a fresh approach, pressing football. Lampard would attract young hungry players to the club. Can you see him signing players with the profile of Delph, Schneiderlin, Iwobi. I don't think so.

Iain Latchford
225 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:10:29
It's look increasingly like Lampard. I think the only sticking point would be the length of contract we will offer.

Develops youth players, plays 4-2-3-1 (which I think suits our current squad), or 4-3-3. Likes his full backs to overlap. In the current situation I'd be reasonably happy with this appointment.

Stephen Vincent
226 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:18:51
I had a long conversation with a blue mate who has lived in Portugal since the '70s. Basically confirms what Jay says but that he did lose a lot of his biggest names when Villas-Boas left.

He reckons that Vitor, whilst never providing a dull moment, would be a disaster. Although he does say he would take no shit from the board and that meetings between him and Klopp would have the potential for high comedy.

He also thinks that Vitor has an 8-month suspended prison sentence in Greece for 'Insighting a riot' whilst at Olympiacos.

Joe Digney
227 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:18:53
With Dobbin agreeing a new contract with us today, maybe he's been told Lampard is on his way which will bring him more first team opportunities? Just a theory..
Stu Darlington
228 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:20:44
This has all blown up since Graeme Sharp was appointed to the Board.

Sharpy out NOW!!

Sorry, couldn't resist it!

Tony Everan
229 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:21:00
I think the players will respond to Lampard, he was a brilliant player and a model professional in the same way Gareth Barry was. He’ll be respected and won’t be divisive. I see him getting a team spirit together and a good winning mentality within the squad. I like the fact he is young and hungry and desperate to prove himself. May be able to get one or two Chelsea squaddies in on loan too.

God knows if he is the best choice but if Moshiri appoints Frank Lampard I’ll be far happier than if he had appointed Pereira. I’ll get behind him and the club 100%.

Make the decision now Mr Moshiri, we need to get this sorted and sign a couple of midfielders with the new manager’s approval.

Soren Moyer
230 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:22:26
Its official! Footbal didn't exist before EPL and BSkyB! Link
Oliver Molloy
231 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:22:34
Someone who knows a thing or two told me that, when first contacted last week, Lampard's people wanted big money and minimum 36-month contract; they wouldn't even speak unless that was on the cards.

Maybe that's why Moshiri is chasing Pereria on a short contract with a rollover year.

If it's between these two, it's Lampbard for me, something to prove, young and hungry with loads of medals and his knowledge of the Premier League.

Luke Welch
232 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:30:24
I think those wanting Frank, hope he will turn out like Gerard has for Villa, but I just can't see it. Frank had all the resources he needed at Chelsea and he blow it.

I see that steely eye of the winner's mentality more in Rooney.

Mike Brownlow
233 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:31:54
To be honest Lampard wasn't my first choice but, given the current offerings he's the next best and I do like that he would likely develop your players. I bet there is a great deal more passion in the youth we have at the club.

I did cast my mind back to the Wimbledon game and looked at how passionate Graham Stuart, Barry Horne and Co were if they reran the game with the new squad I can't say it would be the same...

Barry Hesketh
234 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:36:32
Soren @230

Why? That list of trophy winners includes Everton's all-time trophy haul and that has us in 8th place in that table.

Wayne Read
235 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:45:27
Apparently Vitor Pereira is having second thoughts due to protests on going around the club...

Link

Mick O'Malley
236 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:48:23
Lampard had no resources at Chelsea to begin with as they were under a transfer embargo. I'd take him – we need a young vibrant coach playing modern football, not another dinosaur playing 4-4-2.

Mark@224 agreed we need younger hungry players – not over-the-hill has beens or never-beens clogging up the treatment room. I'm sure Lampard could entice better players to sign.

Shane Corcoran
237 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:53:54
Lampard now favourite.
Jay Harris
238 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:54:16
I think it shows how desperate we are not to end up with Pereira that we are pushing for the relatively inexperienced Lampard who has never had a relegation battle to contend with and a shambles of a club to sort out but at least he knows the Premier League and can lean on other people for advice.

Interesting that Pereira says his interest in the job was pushed by Kenwright who he has known for 6 years.

The sooner we get that tool out of our club the sooner we can stop being "plucky little Everton".

Peter Carpenter
239 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:54:35
So the 'Portuguese hothead' with 'balls of steel' who incited a riot in Turkey has pulled out because of a spotty teenager with a spray can? (Just speculating about the spotty teenager - no inside knowledge)
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

240 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:54:40
Stephen @ 226. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say Pereira had a lot of big names sold under him, matey.

Porto have been SUPERB in the transfer market for many a long year.

Having picked up Falcao for £5 million and got two years service out of him, he was the only big named player Porto sold when Pereira started the job. Flogged to Athletico Madrid for £40 million.

The club reinvested that money in:

Danilo for £13 million - sold to Real Madrid 4 years later for £30 million
Alex Sandro for £9 million - sold to Juventus 4 years later for £28 million
Mangala for £6 million - sold to City 3 years later for £40 million

So for an original £5 million layout for Falcao, they generated £35 million profit. Reinvested £28 million of that in new players, which in turn generated a further £72 million profit.

In his second season, they sold Hulk. Bought for £18 million, sold 4 years later for £40 million.

Again the money was reinvested:
Jackson Martinez for £8 million - sold to Athletico Madrid 3 years later for £35 million

As in the previous season, they earned a £22 million profit on Hulk, reinvested £8 million of that and turned that into another £27 million profit.

Pereira's teams at Porto were not asset stripped and left barren.

Looking at those numbers also shows what CAN be done in the transfer market whilst keeping a club competitive.

Kieran Kinsella
241 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:56:06
Peter

Buy that spotty teenager a beer.

Ajay Gopal
242 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:57:51
Luke (232), too early to say if Gerrard will turn out to be a success at Villa or not. They got a massive bounce from the Grealish sale, but right now they are just 7 points above us having played an extra game.

I would have liked Dunc to manage the team until the end of the season, but if Lampard is getting the job, then Dunc should do the right thing and step out of the way. Just give Lampard a clean slate to work with and let him get his preferred coaching team in.

Peter Carpenter
243 Posted 26/01/2022 at 14:59:34
Kieran, he might get a statue next to Dixie.
James Marshall
244 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:06:20
I've warmed to the Lampard idea, mostly in the face of the paucity of our options. Ask me a week ago and I was a pretty firm 'no' to the idea but now..

There are definitely upsides, mainly attracting players and potentially gaining instant respect from those already here.

The young uns have heard of him too, even if they've never heard of Everton.

Oh, and I just read we're looking into the possibility of signing Thomas Muller. Hahahaha!

Luke Welch
245 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:09:01
Lampard still spent £249 million odd at his time at Chelsea?

I agree what ever manger signs they need to have there own people and a clean sheet by fans given. However, I just don't think Frank has the acumen and tactical nous to not only get us out of this trouble, but then to kick on.

Barry Hesketh
246 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:11:34
James @ 244,

I can't agree that the young uns or any other footballers and footy fans have never heard of Everton Football Club. Perhaps, not for the reasons we'd like but, given the world-wide popularity of the Premier League, I'm certain there are few people out there who follow the game that haven't heard of our club.

Paul Hewitt
247 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:18:52
There are 18 games left that's 54 points. Can people stop saying we're in a relegation battle.
Robert Tressell
248 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:20:34
I feel more comfortable with the appointment of Lampard that Pereira even though I don't really rate him.

Short term I think there's a good chance he will get people enjoying their football again and playing to strengths. That might just give us the bounce we need to collect a good handful of wins.

I also fancy his chances of bringing players in - although time is running out for January.

In summer, players like Loftus-Cheek, Lingard and Delle Ali might sign, as might someone like Gilmour on loan. I could see that working (although I've mixed feelings about some of these players).

I also think Lampard will want to really establish himself as a manager and so the motivation is there. If he gets this wrong then he'll struggle to pick up another decent job again.

But, honestly, I do think he'll be found out once the novelty wears off - and he's not experienced enough to just brush aside the horrible politics at our club and general mismanagement. So I expect him to be looking out of his depth by about this time next year if appointed.

Pete Clarke
249 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:21:32
I’m don’t think these fuckers care about the supporters regardless of the email sent out to appease us. We are just an expensive toy for them so why should they listen to us. I mean he may just give us a passing thought or two.
I can even imagine on Moshiri’s wall in the hallway of his Mansion in Monaco and he’s feeling somewhat humorous that he deliberately scrawls a different name on the wall every night after Bill warns him what they are saying on ToffeeWeb.
Jay Wood- OUT
Christine Foster - OUT
Tony Twist - Out
Pete Clarke - OUT
Andrew Clare - Out
Christopher Timmins- Out

I’m not sure he understands the feelings of football fans in general but things are going to get very very nasty if this Kai Joorabachain starts dictating things to our already disliked owner.
Barry Hesketh
250 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:23:32
Paul @247,

What makes you believe that Everton aren't in a relegation battle?

You do realise our current form is abysmal and some of those remaining fixtures contain stern tests at some of the toughest venues of the high-flying teams as well as encounters with fellow strugglers.

I hope we don't become truly embroiled in any battle to stay up, but the facts as they are suggest we will be.

Iain Latchford
251 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:24:45
Paul 247, Have you watched us play during the last 3 months? You can probably write off half of those games. We are 100% in a relegation battle.
Soren Moyer
252 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:25:16
@Barry 234. Oops! I did it again!
Brian Williams
253 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:25:36
Paul#247.
And how many points have we picked up from say the last 14 games?
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
254 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:25:40
What is your loyalty. Everton or your Bank Balance?

If the above is true then this is a classic opportunity for Kenwright and Sharp and DBB to resign from the board. Or at least threaten to resign. What message would that send to the owner, what message would it send to the fans.

At that point, the only bad guy will be the owner.

So what do these three value the most? The club or their future income?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

255 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:31:01
Paul Hewitt. This.

'There are 18 games left that's 54 points. Can people stop saying we're in a relegation battle.'

Won't other teams around us be saying the same thing? 'Plenty of games and points to avoid relegation'.

Unlike us (6 points from a possible FORTY-TWO POINTS - 14 games), teams we are down there with are picking up points. AND beating US.

Ian Pilkington
256 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:31:52
I don’t approve of graffiti but needs must if helps to stop the preposterous appointment of Pereira.
Pereira and Cannavaro clearly would not have been on Moshiri’s radar without the malign influence of Joorabchian and in the case of the Portuguese, Kenwright.

Pereira was certainly on the radar of Kenwright 9 years ago when he was in the running with Martinez to succeed Moyes.

Frank Lampard is the best available candidate and is now the betting favourite.

Jonathan Tasker
257 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:32:07
Two things.

One. The clamour for Lampard could be just that he's not Pereira.

Two. The betting market for new managers is often dodgy.

If Everton was a proper football club I think Steve Cooper would be a good fit.

Actually that was three things

Pat Kelly
258 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:32:30
There are 20 games played. That's 41 points dropped. And the more recent run of games has been deteriorating. That's heading in the direction of the Championship.
Jerome Shields
259 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:33:06
Moshiri is very prone to fn pressure and I now think this has put Lampard more into to the frame. The advantage is that he will have support from with in the club, though I would advise him to be careful of it.

The main thing for me is matching a true English football man, Lampard with a traditional English club, Everton. This IMO will produce a better footballing side.

Everton as a football side have been abysmal and a shambles. There have been that many different managers all with their ideas and style off play, which quite frankly no-one at Everton got to grips with. This has resulted in errors, mis-placed passes, poor technical ability, and clueless players regarding tactics and getting in position.

Only someone who has an understanding of the English game can manage Everton. That's the reason why Lampard is the only suitable candidate.

Everton may be relegated but, if they go down playing good football, they stand a better chance of coming back up. They might even avoid relegation in doing so. After that, the real pressure will mount on Moshiri, the board and management to get their house in order.

Some may say Ferguson could do it. Not in a million years and he knows it. It now looks as if it is Evertonians that will save Everton.


Mark Ryan
260 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:35:22
Luke @ 245,

But you think Rooney does have acumen and nous?

I'm not trying to belittle your argument but Lampard didn't spend £249 million pound at Chelsea and he'd deffo beat Wayne where knowledge and acumen are concerned. Acumen is the ability to make sound judgements, good decisions. Have a look at the poor decisions that Wayne has made in his personal life and not just in a football sense.

He left us for one to go to Man Utd. Enough said there! Okay, it was good for him but not for us. As for the personal stuff, where do you want to start on making good decisions?

I like Wayne but he's very much not for me. I do understand we see different things in people, so it's nothing personal. Lampard over Rooney all day long.

Tony Abrahams
261 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:35:33
That's hilarious that post, Phil @254. Kenwright has made an absolute fortune out of plucky little Everton. Barrett-Braxendale is allegedly looking for alternative employment and poor Graeme Sharp, has only been on the board for a few weeks!

This is what happens when you only want to spend a little bit of time on something, Moshiri, and leave the running of the club to people who are not really qualified to help take Everton back towards the upper echelons of the Premier League.

People who think no trophies and one cup final in 27 years has given Evertonians some good times, shouldn't really have to walk, come-on...

Stephen Vincent
262 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:38:46
Jay # 240,

Not my thoughts, just reporting what I was told. My friend supports Portimonense, so maybe not the best judge of a football team!

Looking at the figures you quote though, certainly seems that Vitor has an eye for a deal.

Rob Halligan
263 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:41:54
Nathan # 221.

Is Nathan Patterson worth £100k per week? 😀😀

Danny O’Neill
264 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:42:44
The poor dogs are getting a lot of exercise and excessive conversations about Everton's next managerial options. They're tired and asleep, so I'm not talking to myself. Not a great sign.

Okay, to reiterate my on the fence-ness over Lampard, but I'll look at this through another lens other than the one I mentioned earlier in that I imagine he'll promote the inclusion of youth.

What he might also bring is something Everton don't normally get. He's an England darling, so for once, we might actually have the national media interested in and behind us. Does that make a difference? It can; dare I say in refereeing decisions. Did anyone pick up on the handball against Villa that should have seen us given a penalty? I hadn't but got sent a link today by a fellow ToffeeWebber. Blatant and should have been picked up by VAR.

I'm trying to be positive. His expectations at Chelsea would have been very different. Challenge for the league title and qualify Champion's League as a minimum.

Sadly, that won't be the case at Everton. I said a week or so ago, Lampard bringing Rooney in as his assistant?

Well, not this season anyway.

Luke Welch
265 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:47:51
Mark, no I didn't say Rooney has more acumen than Frank. The reason why I would prefer Rooney though is because he knows the place inside out, like Frank did at Chelsea before he got sacked.

Both are still very young managers, but the position the club finds itself in needs someone I think to understand the magnitude of the problems before they walk in the door. Rooney has been dealing with it at Derby he knows the club, sure the players respect him and he can get to work without finding his feet first – which is exactly what we need now.

Also, wasn't Rooney sold by Bill to save us from going under? As for his personal life, we make mistakes and people do learn from them.

James Marshall
266 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:48:10
Technically we can still win the league so all's not lost just yet!
Tony Abrahams
267 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:48:45
Just reading that Evertonians are expected to protest outside Goodison tonight.

Luke@265, I agree and it does feel that with Everton being very cliquey that it might be too much for an outsider, which is my real concern anyway.

Terry Downes
268 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:51:33
I don't think Lampard will be any good. If he can't do it at Chelsea with their money, I can't see him doing it here.
Julian Exshaw
269 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:56:52
I've been an Evertonian as long as I can remember, over 50 years and I've never seen our club in such disarray. Regardless exactly what the fans are spraying on walls, is Moshiri really going to take that into account? What if they had written 'Moshiri Out'?

All this talk about dodgy agents filling their boots, influencing the management for their own gain and greed, it really is sickening and worrying and is pulling our club under. If there are true Evertonians on the board, it's time they did something about it, got their finger out and got us out of this mess. Now!

Tom Harvey
270 Posted 26/01/2022 at 15:57:37
Lampard now 1/5 fav for job?
John Zapa
272 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:01:26
Every day, the bookies favourite for the job changes, it looks like some people in the know are playing the market
Dave Abrahams
273 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:02:13
Tony (208),

Yes most probably in the same speech he told the Anfield crowd he was there that night, with 10,000 Everton fans, when Dave Hickson made his debut for Liverpool against Aston Villa. The crowd laughed at him.

They'd have laughed a lot longer if they'd known the kick-off that day was 2:15 pm, it was a winter's day – not night. Johnson could learn off Kenwright when it comes to telling porkies!!

Oliver Molloy
274 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:04:21
Paul #247,

Definite relegation candidates unless we can turn this round quickly.

If Newcastle beat us in our next game, we are in fucking even more trouble, of course if they don't everything will be fine – not!

Mark Ryan
275 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:05:22
For fuck's sake... Vitor Pereira is talking on Sky Sports LIVE right now... What club does that!!!
Brian Williams
276 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:05:33
I've advocated for Ferguson to get the job for the rest of the season as I thought it would cause the least disruption (which is one of the things we need) and also because the players seem to genuinely like him and seem to want to do well for him.

Looking further into the future, and I've been thinking about that over the last few days, and believe (this'll cause an argument) that unless Ferguson does well enough to get the job permanently, whoever does come in as our permanent manager should actually insist on his own staff and also that Ferguson should not continue in his assistant job.

My reasoning behind this is that I feel that anyone coming in will be up against Ferguson's popularity with the players and I feel that could undermine the new manager. The new guy (if that's what happens) has to be the sole and undoubted leader of the players. He must have their unstinting loyalty and their commitment to him and him alone.

I feel that Ferguson, through no real fault of his own, could be a problem in that regard. Ideally, Ferguson does so well that he does get the job permanently but it doesn't look like that option's on the table.


Iain Latchford
277 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:11:34
Now Pereira has shown up on Sky Sports News saying why he wants the job. Feel like I'm in The Twilight Zone.
Brian Williams
278 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:12:05
Mark #275.

Why is it necessarily the club's doing?

Steve Shave
279 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:13:54
I have been busy today and only just logged on, expecting to have a new manager announced, still not it seems.

I don't want Lampard, I don't think he has done anything to warrant this role. He only got the Chelsea gig because he was a legend there, well Rooney is a legend that happened to at least play for Everton, I'd rather take that route than Frank. I still want Favre or Kovac personally.

Agree too that a loan signing in midfield is essential, some quality required too as we are in for a fight. So pleased about Dobbin though, a loan for Simms seems a good idea.

I wish we would hold off on the manager search and instead throw our weight behind the DOF appointment, Campos should be wooed and paid whatever he wants to come here, he is the man everyone should be looking at:

Luís Campos: The rise of football’s most underrated sporting director

Rob Halligan
280 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:16:19
What's with all this crap about Lampard being a failure at Chelsea?

In his only full season there, he finished 4th and got to the FA Cup Final. In his second season he had Chelsea top of the premier league in early December 2020. It was only a disasterous run of losing 5 league games out of 8 that led to Abramovich pulling the trigger on him.

Every manager (well most anyway) can go through a horrendous run like that. Could he have halted the slide, who knows, as Abramovich doesn't give time for anyone. Would he have won the Champions League as well, again we'll never know, but it was pretty much his squad that did win it, with one of his purchasers, Kai Havertz scoring the only goal in the final.

I'm fully prepared to give him a chance. Okay, he won't have anywhere near the transfer funds he had at Chelsea, but he knows the Premier League, which many on here seem to think is a requirement when appointing a new manager.

Joe McMahon
281 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:19:19
Mark Ryan - this shambolic "has been" club.

Vitor Pereira's CV is bad and includes Turkey and China (we have been thee before). If Dunc was to be a manager, he would have alreday been doing it for several years. Frank Lampard it has to be, it's a no-brainer!

Phil Malone Jnr
282 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:19:36
This is desperate from Moshiri and Kenwright.

Victor Pereira is being roasted, and they put him on air!

Listen to the Fans!!!!

Luke Welch
283 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:20:51
Pereira saying what every Everton manager has said when hired. Reunite with the crowd, play with intensity… he did name-check a few old players though.
Phil Malone Jnr
284 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:21:51
With the fan reaction, why give this fella funds!!!!

We're in serious trouble!

Lampard 6 months. If it doesn't work... Moyes or Potter!

Mark Ryan
285 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:23:39
My final say on Pereira going live on Sky Sports. Either he has orchestrated it or the club have.

If the club told him to get on there and win over the fans fair enough, they are such fuckwits I'd expect it from them right now, from either Bill or Moshiri, but if he has done this off his own back his fucking desperate and an idiot.

Has he had his media training? Who coached him – Toys R Us? EFC, just what the fuck?!?!

Will Mabon
286 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:24:18
John @ 87:

"I even saw someone demanding John Terry as his No 2."

An attendant danger of Miss Dynamite getting bent over the boardroom table too. Whether that would be a good or a bad thing at this stage is hard to say.

Gary Jones
287 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:24:19
If Moshiri owns a bookies, we’d have enough for a midfielder after this fucking soap opera is done.
Joe McMahon
288 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:26:04
I'm sick of all this. In more shit news, Spurs at home is no longer Saturday 3pm, but Monday 8pm and Ellis Simms going on loan to Hearts. We need goals, for fuck's sake!
Brian Williams
292 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:27:40
So Sky TV approach Pereira for an interview and it's the clubs fault.

Without knowing any details, it's the clubs fault.Priceless!

Peter Carpenter
293 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:30:05
Another day gone. Another chance to get new players in gone. Do these fools ever look at the league table?
Fran Mitchell
294 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:34:35
Why the fuck is Pereira talking to Sky Sports News before getting the job? ... That to me is a massive warning sign.
Len Hawkins
295 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:34:55
Echo, echo, echo – either that or shaking fingers.
Rob Halligan
298 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:36:00
Joe……

Spurs is away!!

Ed Prytherch
299 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:36:09
Brian #276,

If Duncan wants to stay at Everton when the new manager is appointed, then they should be able to employ him in the academy setup.

Phil Malone Jnr
300 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:38:44
Brian #292:

You don't think he'd asked the club if it was a good idea to take the interview?

He knows he's not a favourite, but like he said he's offered his perspective and until the fan reaction, probably was and still is favourite for the job.

Side note – read the link below for a logical opinion on our club:

Richard Keys: Don't kill Bill – it really isn't his fault.

Not liked, but he's one of the only people I feel talks sense.

Barry Hesketh
301 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:39:00
Joe,

Everton have already played Spurs at Goodison – a goalless draw; the game in March is in London. Only 3 league games scheduled in March: Wolves at home and Watford away, plus the trip to the new White Hart Lane. I imagine one of those postponed games will also be arranged for that month too.

Rob Halligan
302 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:39:59
Pereira is not an employee of Everton Football Club. He can talk to whoever he likes.
Len Hawkins
303 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:41:06
Just to lighten the mood, I went to the doc's yesterday to have my prostate checked as she was putting the gloves on she asked about a chaperone. I said "You're okay, I won't touch you."
.
Michael Lynch
304 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:42:09
The rest of the football world grabs the popcorn and settles down to watch the biggest fucking comedy show in town, but it's a tragedy from our seat in the room.

Wtf is that Pereira doing, going on Sky Sports to pitch for the job? Can this situation get any worse? Oh, we're Everton, of course it fucking can.

Joe McMahon
305 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:42:17
Thanks, guys – yes it was 0-0 at home to Spurs, my mistake in a pissed-off rant.
Phil Malone Jnr
306 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:42:22
Rob, #302,

You're probably right, politics doesn't take place in football (eye roll)...

Moving on, Who's everyones realistic favourite for the job?

Luke Welch
307 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:42:36
Pereira has set out his stall – why not? He wants the job.
Raymond Fox
308 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:43:11
To be honest, I don't think it matters who we get, the players will still be second-rate.

If he would come I'd prefer Lampard, he's probably the best of the possibles and that's not saying much. Jesus would be a good shout if he's available, we could do with a few miracles.

Phil Malone Jnr
309 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:46:03
Luke 307: Spot on
Barry Hesketh
310 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:46:55
Phil @300,

I've read that Keys piece in other places, but thanks for the link as he mentions Riley and PGMOL as officiating the game from the bunkers when VAR decisions are reviewed. If true, the game itself is completely bent, not just the alleged gangsters who own the clubs.

Phil Malone Jnr
311 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:50:11
Pickford, Godfrey, Allan, Richarlison, DCL...and a lot of others to argue.

These are quality players that wan't to win!

Phil Malone Jnr
312 Posted 26/01/2022 at 16:55:14
Barry 310, I know. Scary thought.
Tom Bowers
313 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:10:12
Whilst not wanting to seem negative, it's not a move that gives me any confidence at this crucial stage of the season.

Pereira doesn't have much credentials and 2 Portuguese titles don't impress me. They have produced many fine players over the years but really only boast 3 competitive teams, Porto, Sporting and Benfica and they seem to dominate every season over all the same weaker teams much like Scotland.

With no Premier League experience, and given our precarious position and results in freefall, I feel very apprehensive about this appointment.

Obviously he will jump at the job if offered as he is out of work and will probably be offered a fat contract.

I do wonder what the board really thinks of Big Dunc. given that he knows about the Premier League the club and the current squad and yet Pereira is looked at as a permanent manager.

It's highly unlikely any new players will come in until the Summer so any new manager has to really lick this bunch into shape before the Barcodes game.

If Pereira comes in and he turns things around, then he will be a hero for a short time until the new season starts but a few of his predecessors have started quite well then lost the plot.

Christy Ring
314 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:16:04
The good thing about Pereira talking to Sky, he hasn't got the job yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the board had something to do with it to see if he can get the fans onside.

Hope they see sense for a change, to pick a man who knows nothing about the Premier League and we're in 16th place, fair play to Laurel & Hardy.

Neil Thomas
315 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:16:36
Sky Sports saying that Lampard is now the favourite, I for one would be happy with that.
Clive Rogers
316 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:17:14
Turning into the usual Everton shambles.
Brian Williams
318 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:20:18
Phil #300.

No I don't think he's run it past the club, to be honest, but that's only my opinion. But I'm certainly not going to slag the club off on this one without a shred of evidence that they were complicit in the interview.

If it comes to light that the club were, then I'll call them!

Simon Dalzell
319 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:21:54
Pereira before Lampard for me. No more than a hunch. I don't really know which is the better option.
Bill Fairfield
320 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:21:57
How much more embarrassment is this saga going to put us through?

It's worse than your worst nightmare.

Rob Halligan
321 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:25:43
Brian # 292. I agree mate, Priceless!!
Paul Swan
322 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:27:06
I can't remember a more embarrassing or worrying time to be an Evertonian. The antics of this club both on and off the field are a tragedy to watch. Protests, graffiti, bottle-throwing and pitch invasions. Sackings reshuffles and reports of power struggles.

The damage from this period in our history will take years and years to recover from if we ever will. Any new manager now just seems like a sticking plaster again and, without any apparent vision, we are screwed.

Derek Taylor
323 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:27:26
If we continue in the present vein, he won't last until season's end. Our great club is becoming a farce and Silly Billy just looks on!
Charlie Fath
324 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:40:35
What an embarrassment of an interview.

Didn't say anything that me or any other bloke down the pub could say about passion, intensity, high pressing blah blah. Spoke about his CV speaking for itself – What CV!!!

Hasn't kept a job and only took Villas Boas team at Porto to the title before it imploding.

Never mind Frank Lampard, I'd rather have Frank Spencer than this bloke.

Brian Murray
325 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:46:46
Luke post 307.

I hope you mean on Great Homer Street. That's the only stall he should qualify for. I used to think it was only the inept poisonous of the chairman at EFC but it's at every turn.

Geoff Williams
326 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:49:42
If he is appointed, then relegation is odds on. I have absolutely no faith in Moshiri to do what is best for the club.
Christy Ring
328 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:50:29
Is it not unprofessional for a candidate to come on and tell Sky more or less what he said at his interview?

Or was he advised by his interviewee's to go on the offensive, to try and justify their preference?

Liam Heffernan
329 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:52:39
Reading Isaac Asimov's Foundation, there is a quote, “It's a worship of the past. It's a deterioration – a stagnation”. I think this quote could be attributed to Everton. Blue Bill, ex-players that hang out of him and also a lot of us fans. We're living and looking into the past and this is one of the reasons we are where we are.
Nick Page
330 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:54:07
Absolutely fucking No! Wake up Moshiri, you're being made to look like a total idiot.
David Pearl
331 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:54:58
Our #27 crowd that aparently think that it's up to them who our next manager should be... now that's priceless, if anything is. Self-serving, they don't represent me, just themselves.

I want Pereira now. I like how he came out swinging. I want this shit show over with. Get him in. Get him working with these players. Pressing game with possession. Yes please.

Enough is enough, So get your coat on and get moving 'cos we don't know the meaning of losing. So come on, come on, get down to Goodison Park. Wooooo

Colin Glassar
332 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:56:42
I’ve been busy all day. I presume this embarrassment continues?
Lee Courtliff
333 Posted 26/01/2022 at 17:58:37
Lampard now 1/2 on with Sky Bet. Hopefully this "Hollywood" name will get the job.

If he does, at least we'll be guaranteed some good loan deals from Chelsea.

Will Mabon
334 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:00:03
A potential manager openly flogging himself at a mainstream media audience in advance. Never known of it before. An absolute drama shit show, which the puppet masters and vested interests behind the scenes will be loving.

It's another Everton first, to go with the under-soil heating and the three-tier stand.

Allan Board
335 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:06:05
Where has the semblance of any dignity gone in football? How can anyone want a bloke to be our manager who has just advertised himself on bloody Sky Sports?

Talk about degrading, insulting and desperate. If he's prepared to do that,under instruction, he would have zero control over any of the football and do as he's told.

Frank Lampard? A fantastic player, won everything, loves Everton (well, certainly loved scoring against us!) would develop a young, modern attacking team and takes no shit (ask Klopp).

Understands British football, always did the right things to prolong his career,loyal and showed great dignity when Chelsea offed him.

A modern player, the current player's would identify with and could only be impressed by his career, so would listen to him. A winner.

Give the guy what he wants and back him. My sort of Everton Manager. (Please)

Colin Glassar
336 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:19:47
Allan, actually I've just heard the Pereira interview and felt a bit sorry for the fella. It's not his fault our moronic owner has interviewed him and, possibly, offered him the job.

I could live with him or Lampard. Anyone who changes our brain-dead team.

Paul Jones
339 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:25:54
Pereira did not impress me in his interview with Sky. Would appear to be an appointment similar to that of Silva, similar records managing in minor leagues in Europe.

The fact that he is the choice of Joorabchian is a clear and obvious warning of the likely direction of the club.

Duncan McDine
340 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:28:16
I think Moshiri is waiting to see if the FEW (Fat English Wanker) becomes available seeing as his current position is under threat. Unlike most of our managers in recent years, Boris could almost certainly organise a piss up in a brewery if nothing else.

And in other news today, astronomers have discovered a unique object deep in outer space that releases huge amounts of energy three times every hour. Perhaps the powers at Finch Farm should invest in a telescope so some of our players can watch and learn?

Graeme Beresford
341 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:30:39
I'm going to be hated here, but I don't see what the issue is with Vitor.

Hear me out, people are bugging up Lampard, Rooney…. To me I would rather have Vitor.

I want someone with some bloody passion. I want someone running down the line when we score, winding up the opposition, complaining to ref's and 4th officials about poor decisions, if we are going down I at least want us to go down fighting and I think this guy will at least do that. Bring passion and some desire to us. I don't understand the big vendetta against him.

We hired Martinez who had won an F.A cup, we hired Marco Silva would had won nothing, Big Sam – Nothing. Carlo a lot of stuff and Rafa a lot of stuff but to be fair to Vitor, he's won stuff aswell, ok the leagues aren't the best but you still have to get drive and passion from your players. I actually feel like this guy could be our Klopp. Who was he before Dortmund took a chance on him? … I just don't know about Frank Lampard shouts. Will he show passion or desire or are we just another stepping stone for a guy who was sacked from Chelsea in like a year.

Alex Short
342 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:31:14
Billy Smarts Circus seems to spring to mind, what a fiasco this is turning into. If this interview on Sky was orchestrated by our management what will the other people think about applying for the manager's job.

But, whoever gets the nod he has to have our full support COYB.

Nigel Munford
343 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:38:11
Can someone please tell me why any manager would want to apply to manage us at the moment? It's a shit storm and it ain't getting any better!!!

Players that don't or won't play for the manager, or are just not good enough, a board room that's akin to a kindergarten, manager's coming and going through what seems revolving doors and fans that have had enough, with banners and flypasts and graffiti, hoping there choice of manager, or owner, or Chairman will happen.

Where will it all end???

Eddie Dunn
344 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:44:47
Graeme,

Lampard showed plenty of passion at Derby and Chelsea.

Remember his spat with Klippety?

Chris Leyland
345 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:47:04
Nigel - I can think of 5 or 6 million reasons why anyone would want to apply. Actually, it’s probably 10/15 million reasons after they get sacked 1 year into a 3 year contract.
Derek Valentine
346 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:47:58
Paul Swan @322.

Set the four lines of your first chapter to music and you've got the beginnings of a great protest son. I highly recommend the band Fontaines DC for inspiration.

Duncan McDine
347 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:48:56
Nigel, there are millions of reasons, and those reasons all have a picture of the Queen. Same reasons for several of our mercenary players.

Edit: Chris beat me to it!!

Nigel Munford
348 Posted 26/01/2022 at 18:50:36
Chris, that's because these managers contracts are all wrong. Where can you work, get it all wrong and leave with a big wad of cash, senseless really!! Needs to be incentive based and if you fail, off you go, no payouts.
Ed Prytherch
349 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:02:46
Allan #335,

I was okay with Lampard before I read your post and now I am in his corner. Well done.

Ed Prytherch
350 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:02:51
Allan #335,

I was okay with Lampard before I read your post and now I am in his corner. Well done.

Barry Hesketh
351 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:03:04
I'd never come across the term "The Cobra Effect" until tonight, whilst watching "The Chase" on TV. If ever a term captured the goings on at Everton over the past half-dozen years, this is it. I wonder should we replace the Tower with a Cobra in future?

The term “The Cobra Effect” (sometimes also called “perverse results”) refers to what happens when the attempt to fix a problem actually makes that problem worse.

The name comes from the following incident:

Concerned over the large number of poisonous snakes in Delhi, India the British government offered a bounty for each dead cobra turned in. While initially many cobras were captured and surrendered for the bounty, people soon began breeding cobras in order to get the money. Unhappy with paying for farmed snakes instead of wild ones, the government cancelled the program.

Since the snakes no longer had any value, the cobra breeders went out of business and released their inventory into the wild.

Instead of decreasing the number of poisonous snakes, the net result of the cobra bounty program was to substantially increase the number of wild cobras in the country

Joe McMahon
352 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:10:18
Allan @335,

I couldn't agree more. I wanted him in the summer when available, he would gain respect of all the players.

Will Mabon
353 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:17:36
Barry, sounds like the advanced notice of closing the programme wasn't long enough.
John Raftery
354 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:25:11
Chaos rules. No manager will be good enough for our fans. We may as well draw up a list of the candidates prepared to take the job and put it to a vote of season ticket holders.
Tony Everan
355 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:25:18
Frank Lampard will know how to put together a midfield that works and the player(s) he’ll need. He will be well versed with our shortcomings in midfield with his experience. If he can sort the midfield out it will be a massive step for forward us.

Sign him up, and give him a fighting chance to sign a couple of players.

Soren Moyer
356 Posted 26/01/2022 at 19:28:20
I won't blame Vitor Pereira for the 1860 Munich relegation to Bundesliga 3 as at the time the club was in deep financial troubles with the owner, a Jordanian Billionaire in their case lol, unwilling to spend. Not even for their FA license! Link

He is (and was even before the Sky interview) my choice if its between him and Lampard. Don't get all this hate towards him tbh!!!

Pat Kelly
357 Posted 26/01/2022 at 20:33:45
This could be just what we need. Joorabchian's man Vitor as manager and a steady supply of stars like Iwobi and El Ghazi.
Robin Cannon
358 Posted 26/01/2022 at 20:38:26
Seems like nothing makes Frank Lampard look like a good manager more than the prospect of Vitor Pereira.
Anthony Dove
359 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:11:15
What we can't have is another manager that the bulk of supporters don't want. Lampard may not be everyone's first choice but there would be very few that were against him from the start.

To me, he ticks more boxes than most and I would be happy (relieved) if he took over.

Mike Hughes
360 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:15:36
Anthony,

I have also come around to the idea of Lampard. I think he has something to prove as a young manager and, in the words of his namesake, “if he can do it here, he can do it anywhere.”

He would surely have the gravitas with the players relative to other candidates.

Mark Ryan
361 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:22:29
This prevarication around the introduction of a new manager, and seeing the disconnect between us and them, has made me realise just what has been going on at board level since Moyes left and Moshiri arrived. Its been a real eye opener.

Seeing Bill baracked outside the ground and his staggering responses and reading the revelations about Kia Joorabchian's connection with the club is worrying.

It's good to see that apathy doesn't rule amongst Evertonians and that we are all making a concerted effort to influence our moronic board. NSNO.

Dennis Stevens
363 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:22:39
For some reason, Lampard just doesn't feel like a good fit for Everton, to me. Although, if he gets the gig, I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.
Christy Ring
364 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:28:29
Soren #356,

Pereira lost 11/20 to get 1860 Munich relegated to the "third tier", and Joorabchian was the agent who got him the job. No thanks!

Paul Hewitt
366 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:34:26
Not my choice but, if Moshiri wants Pereira, then just get him in. We need midfielders in quickly.
Colin Glassar
367 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:36:07
Expect the unexpected.
Dennis Stevens
369 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:42:40
Spanish Inquisition, Colin?
Andy Crooks
370 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:45:09
Alex, there was no 'group of fans', never mind the same group of fans, throwing "bottles" at celebrating players.

An idiot threw a bottle which, like a famous magic, bullet, took out half the Villa celebrants. The culprit should be ashamed of himself as he disgraced our club and supporters. The Villa cowards, cheats and frauds disgraced their club and football and are incapable of shame.

I hope you are capable of being ashamed of the ludicrous link you have made between the two entirely separate events.

If I lived anywhere near, I'd be there tonight.

Barry Rathbone
371 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:51:03
Hard to think of a less likely managerial candidate than Lampard. He's always looked like a wet lettuce with a Sergeant Wilson air of unawareness and will be destroyed in 5 mins should the managerial bounce not materialise.

Out of all the candidates, his overhyping seems the most incredulous.

Barry Rathbone
372 Posted 26/01/2022 at 21:56:02
Andy @371,

See the footage – it was multiple bottles.

Scum, the lot.

Dale Self
375 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:12:25
As you all know, I don't know anything but I still think Lampard is the sucker bet. Paddy taking him down kind of has the look of a quick line move on no news that stimulates wagers. When Kovac and Garcia were mentioned, I'm sure the change in mood was noticed. Here's hoping.
Ray Jacques
376 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:22:48
The whole place stinks of corruption and dodgy dealings. No longer the club I was so proud of.

Disenchanted and disillusioned. I can accept a crap team as seen it many times over the years, but this is just horrid.

Mike Gaynes
377 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:24:49
Barry #351, are you implying that someone is breeding Everton managers and releasing them into the wild?

That could throw off an entire ecosystem.

Barry Hesketh
378 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:37:59
Mike @378,

I think it's what Kia has been doing; it's how he makes his money I believe. :)

Karen Mason
379 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:41:44
Lyndon,

Don't you have any contacts in the national media or TV that could be trusted to make points about the involvement & influence of this Joorabchian on our club & owner? Surely this could be presented in a way so as not to be legally challenged.

Perhaps making all this public, rather than just shared between us fans, could have the desired effect on Moshiri's decision making. Worth a try?

At the moment I would prefer Moshiri to go & stay at Goodison. I despair at the way our club is being run, especially since the advent of Moshiri.

Tony Everan
380 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:43:12
Dennis, I am thinking that about most of them.

Of all the managers tenuously linked, I think Lucien Favre would be a perfect fit for us right now, to build a team as we head to the new stadium. Sadly, for whatever reason, he doesn't look like he is being as seriously considered. Today it's looking like the board have made it a binary choice between Lampard and Pereira.

But this is Everton 2022… tomorrow it could be all change again. I hope someone is sorted soon as the two central midfielders we need are almost as important as the manager and it would be good if the manager had a say in any options we have recruiting them.

Mike Corcoran
381 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:56:02
Tony, Favre looks the best choice; no doubt, though, that Moshiri won't got go for him.
Jamie Crowley
382 Posted 26/01/2022 at 22:57:56
I just did a cursory search on the ol' internet, and it seems now Frank Lampard is indeed in pole position?

I hope so. I think a "light your hair on fire" foreign manager isn't the right choice at this moment.

It's all really a mess, isn't it?

Frank would get us on the front foot, as best as he could with this group of players. And I'd tip him to be able to find a young midfielder who could step in and increase the tempo and get us on the front foot.

Give me a carbon copy of Lampard going to Chelsea and bringing Mount with him, playing forward and entertaining footy, and I'd be very, very happy.

Sean Kelly
383 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:01:43
Can anyone tell me of any other managerial candidate for any club prostituting themselves on SSN or any media during an interview process.

For that reason alone and not withstanding his very underwhelming carrier he should be told to fuck off. The cheeky sod.

Anthony Murphy
384 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:05:48
If Pereria gets it, it could be that Lampard cannot agree terms? May be after a 2/3 year contract or silly wages – or he wants Jody Morris as his assistant not Ferguson? Wasn't that the issue with Nuno Espirito Santo?
Gerry Killen
385 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:11:50
Fellow Blues, for Gods sake, can we all stop this nit-picking of the candidates vying for the job?

I don't give a shit who takes over and frankly some of us need to step back and look at the state of our club. Any appointment will be only till the end of Season, give him a bonus if we stay up, then we have a massive re- construction of personnel from top to bottom, a Summer of soul-searching.

All this is doing my head in, and I'm not the only one; let's show the football world we are better than that. COYB

Barry Hesketh
386 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:16:30
I'm afraid all of the shenanigans with Pereira speaking on Sky and his mention of meeting Kenwright etc all point to the continued civil war that has been at least brewing if not actually reaching boiling point. Moshiri uses White and it would seem Sky as his conduits to air his preferences whilst Bill uses his mates in the local and national UK media to poo-poo Moshiri's choices. As all of this goes on, the squad is in dire need of additional players and of course a manager who is capable of motivating them and organising them.

Moshiri has to bite the bullet and remove those people who disagree with him from positions of power – even if it's only soft power – and 'own' the club and its fortunes.

Bill does not own the club, he is only a glorified fan and if he can't or doesn't agree with the owner he should resign, if this action is detrimental to his friends within the club so be it; if his friends lose their jobs becuase he can't protect them, so be it.

What can't continue is this farcical approach by all involved as it besmirches the club's reputation and hurts the people who care the most the fans.

Andy Wilkinson
387 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:19:31
Just leave it with Big Dunc till the end of the season. Dunc will keep us up and we'll all back him.
Then we can calmly re-assess. Keep Dunc if all is good, or look for an alternative.
Mike Gaynes
389 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:22:00
Jamie, you're right, the last thing Everton needs is a foreign manager.

Hire a Yank!

Tom Harvey
390 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:25:56
Barry Hesketh @ 387

"Moshiri has to bite the bullet and remove those people who disagree with him from positions of power - even if it's only soft power - and 'own' the club and its fortunes. "

I'd rather have boy's pen Blue Bill in full control than our Mr Bean owner Moshiri, he's way more dangerous to our chances of staying up than Kenwright.

Moshiri is now "The" problem, regardless of what Kenwright has done.

Nicholas Ryan
391 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:26:18
People are saying, it's either Pereira or Lampard. I have heard, from a 'usually reliable source' as journalists say, that the plan is for both Pereira and Lampard.

Let me explain: Lampard has said that he will not take over a club mid-season. It's nothing to do with relegation prospects, it's that he insists on having a full pre-season with the players he's going to manage.

Therefore, Everton want him for the start of next season.

What to do meantime? Pereira has been offered [and will accept] a contract to the end of this season. There will be an option for a further year, but it is a one-way option; ie, the club can activate it, the manager can't.

Pereira is regarded as a good crisis manager and firefighter, but not the man to build a team for the future. Lampard is regarded as a good team-builder, but not the man to fight a fire.

If all this is true, it may be the least horrible of a series of unpalatable choices.

Adam Oakensworth
392 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:28:26
Whilst I agree that it is deeply concerning if Moshiri is solely acting on advice from Kia Joorabchian, I don't understand the vitriol against Pereira personally. Why are we focusing on one quick stint in Germany where his team was relegated and not the 4 league titles he has won?

He says he wants to play high pressing, possession football, his teams score loads of goals and he seems to be a passionate man who doesn't take shit from anyone.

Igniting some passion and motivating the current squad might be just what we need so if he gets the nod how about we get behind him and the team instead of mindless vandalism and wishing failure on him before he's even managed a single game?

Chris Corn
393 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:30:04
His firefighting didn't go too well at 1860 Munich.
Tom Harvey
394 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:34:17
Mike Gaynes @ 390

Is Andy Reid available? He'd have to be an improvement over some of the chancers who are being linked with the club currently.

Ed Prytherch
395 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:41:05
Mike, I thought that Bob Bradley had retired.
Barry Hesketh
396 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:41:30
Tom @391
I wouldn't disagree with you on the damage that Moshiri has wrought or will in the future. However, as Bill isn't in a position to buy-out Moshiri he and others within his sphere of influence have to be the ones to leave.

At least that way the disgruntled would have an actual target to focus on and who knows perhaps Moshiri would actually start making better decisions, when he is the sole person publicly responsible for those decisions.

The silver bullet for me would be for Moshiri to sell up and any new owner coming in, to clear the decks and begin afresh.Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen and we're stuck with both Moshiri and Bill. It's a bad situation but something has to give before it can possibly be fixed.

Barry Jones
397 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:44:36
Apparently, the only obstacle on Lampard being appointed is that he wants the theme tune to "The Sweeney" to replace "Z-Cars".
Matt Byrne
398 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:46:54
The divvy was asked to name players from the Blues past who had 'inspired him to apply for the job.' He then proceeded to robotically list Howard, Coleman, Baines and Jagielka for the second time in the discussion. Maybe Bill had written those names for him as they represent 'the good times' as Bill thinks.

Clearly clueless about Everton's history even our Red pal Rafa mentioned Peter Reid! This fella would take us down and there would be horrific repercussions for the club.

Thank you to all the fans who have actively protested. You are doing all in your power to protect our club which is precious to each and every one of us. Perhaps we all turn out backs for a period of time next home game in silence before turning to roar the team on.

Also, as Ped on Toffee TV said, perhaps we could boycott the shop, refuse to buy beer in the ground, online merchandise etc.

If Lampard gets it, I think he will do well. He did okay at Derby and Chelsea and will know that, if he can get it right here, we are historically one of the biggest and best in the land. COYB.

Ashley Roberts
399 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:47:46
Let's be honest, none of the folks being considered for the managers job are what we want or deserve. There is no quality guy out their to be snapped up at this moment in time.

The problem we have is with the squad. While we have some good players and so up-and-coming individuals we are so missing quality in midfield it is untrue. If we don't bring in one or two quality players in this area before transfer deadline, I don't think even Pep would be able to keep us up.

Please oh please bolster the midfield; we have quality up front, they just need the service.

Mike Gaynes
400 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:50:00
Adam #393,

The vitriol here isn't personal, it's professional. Nobody has said anything negative about Vitor the human being.

But as for Pereira the manager, he has accomplished nothing that's relevant to Everton. He has never managed in a top-tier league, and he won his four titles with clubs that were supposed to win their weaker leagues, clubs that won titles both before and after his tenure there.

And hoping for a manager more qualified and accomplished than Pereira is not "wishing failure on him" -- it's just expecting that failure would be the result of his appointment. That's not personal vitriol. But it's something that everybody here would take very personally.

Michael Connelly
401 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:50:02
Forget Lampard and Perreira; Leave Dunc in charge until the end of the season, and see who's available then. Lampard made a Champions League winning team look like also-rans.
Mike Gaynes
404 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:54:23
Ed #396, haha, but ol' Bruce Arena is still around!

Tom #395, not a bad idea, but I'm not sure our players would understand the Midwest Americanisms filtering through that brushy mustache of his. Besides, he's kinda busy for the next couple of weeks.

Matt Byrne
405 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:55:56
Barry (398),

Yes, and he has asked for Chas and Dave to be played at half-time!

Actually we do have some good London Evertonians... Andy King, Tony Cottee, Graham Stuart, Super Kevin Campbell!

Soren Moyer
406 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:57:24
For the love of god! Can we forget the 1860 Munich relegation? The man took over when they were at the bottom of the bundesliga 2nd tier and couldn't save them during his 3-4 months stint there. So what?

1860 Munich is not exactly a top club. Believe me. I used to follow German football for a long time. They were a yo yo club at best. Been relegated numerous times before.

To me it doesn't prove anything because, when he took over, they were already doomed. Not that Pereira is my prefered choice for the job. Like many others I'd rather go for either Favre, Fonseca or Garcia. Any of them will do for me.

Mike #401.

I beg to differ. In Portugal there are 2 other big clubs as well, namely Benfica and Sporting, so I don't think Porto are supposed to win the title each season!

Barry Jones
407 Posted 26/01/2022 at 23:58:05
If the board hadn't dithered in sacking Benitez, we would have had the whole January transfer window with a new manager, which would have been the sensible option. Instead, we have waited until the last week of the window and are now dithering with the appointment of a replacement as the clock ticks down.

We could have had Digne still at the club. Instead, we wasted the money on two inexperienced players in positions that should not have been a priority (Coleman and Digne would have taken us to the end of the season). We have less than a week to bring in at least two midfielders.

The press say that Dele Alli is waiting to see who is manager before potentially committing to Everton. I would think he would prefer Lampard, who knows his play and knows the Premier League. The board should not underestimate the ability of Lampard to bring in players both short and long term. His connections with Chelsea alone are worth something. He took Mount to Derby.

Barry Hesketh
408 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:01:28
I'm warming to Lampard having seen a clip of him ranting and telling Bingo where to go on the touchline, he's not as disspasionate as he might appear.
Adam Oakensworth
409 Posted 27/01/2022 at 00:27:48
Mike #401,

Fair point on wanting someone better, I'm with you there. I don't understand why Kovac or Garcia are seemingly being overlooked.

Not with you on diminishing Pereira's achievements by saying he was “supposed to” win his league titles though. No such thing as “supposed to” in professional sports, apart from maybe Celtic following Rangers' demotion :)

To the crowd wanting Big Dunc: His record as caretaker manager reads 1 win in 4 with just 4 goals scored (3 in one game). He's not the answer.

Loved the guy as a player but has already demonstrated zero tactical acumen and some very questionable team selections. He would surely take us down.

Bill Gall
410 Posted 26/01/2022 at 00:28:49
Regardless of who the supporters or management want, it is indicative of how this club has been run since the takeover.

No matter who we blame, it appears that the owner has wanted instant success and thought that backing the manager with finances he would get it. What he didn't realize was what a difficult league the premier is with a poor squad, and how long a new manager takes to build up a strong squad to build a platform to start competing for trophies.

You need leadership from the top and that leads to improvement all through the club. But it seems we are being run by a one man band who called the shots, and disguised his shortcomings with the purchase of the Royal Liver Building and the promise of a new ground.

He appointed a Chairman who he believed would keep the club in a decent position in the league, or to take the flack if things went sideways, take your pick.

Between the two of them the club has deteriorated into a laughing stock, that can be shown by the type of manager we are now attracting for an interview.

No matter who they hire they will find that as each manager has been brought in, the job to keep Everton in the premier gets harder and harder, not only to get a decent position in the league but now to keep them in the league.

Mike Gaynes
411 Posted 27/01/2022 at 00:55:14
Adam #410, when Pereira won with Olympiacos, they were in the middle of a stretch where they won the league 19 of 21 seasons. They won four straight titles before he came in and two more after he left. That's what I mean when I say he was supposed to win.

At Porto he took over a team that had won five titles in six years. Not to diminish in any way that he won two more, but the fact is that he was expected to.

Bottom line is... he has won with good teams, lost with bad ones, and all in lower-level leagues. There is nothing in his resume that suggests the ability to salvage and rebuild a troubled team of limping internationals in the most competitive league in the world.

Adam Oakensworth
412 Posted 27/01/2022 at 01:11:44
Mike, who would your pick be?

Note: I'm not advocating for Pereira; I'm merely pointing out that he has won things, comes across passionate and motivational, and is not as bad as some on here say.

Jamie Crowley
413 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:02:22
Hi everyone, my name is Mike Gaynes.

With the apparent removal of Duncan Ferguson from the list of possible mangers, my personal vote for manager would be Frank Lampard.

If Frank falls out, my second choice would be to allow Dunc to manage through mid-February, and then bring in Andy Reid from the Kansas City Chiefs after they win the Super Bowl. I believe Andy could lure Patrick Mahomes away from KC to Everton. Everton are desperately crying out for a real leader and quarterback.

Thank you,

Mike Gaynes
American contributor to ToffeeWeb

Mike Gaynes
414 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:15:53
Jamie, that's a disgusting misrepresentation of my views as a heart-and-soul Chicagoan.

Didn't you ever watch Saturday Night Live with John Goodman and George Wendt? There is only one Coach. And he's from Da Bearz.

DITKA!!

Mike Gaynes
415 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:24:39
Adam #413,

I'd be delighted with Kovac, Garcia, Gracia or most especially Martinez. (Diego, not Roberto.) I'd be pleased with Favre, Lampard or Valverde. At this point I'd even be satisfied with Nuno or Fonseca.

After being awash in debates about Dunc, Wayne, Roberto and Vitor, I would be easy to please right about now.

Ed Prytherch
416 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:35:42
Moshiri is fucked whichever way he turns. He must have given Kenwright a "chairman for life" agreement but then he learns that Bill is a Charlatan who has surrounded himself by yes people and he can't be trusted.

He has a go at playing chairman but falls on his face as more of his money flows down the toilet. He got lucky when Carlo was available but Carlo got the hell out of Dodge when he saw the size of the mess.

So he turns to Joorabchian the snake and his gangster friend to get advice from Abramovich and he hires Benitez, who turns out to be a kopite terrorist who blows up a sizeable piece of the club infrastructure before he is fired.

The best thing that he can do is stop trusting his instincts and his sleazy associates and listen to the fans. There is a small chance that he may get it right this time but don't bet on it. He might have had more fun and success throwing his money around in Las Vegas.

Kieran Kinsella
417 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:40:53
Anyone else hoping Bane from Batman emerges among the 27 years group and reads a letter explaining how Bill Kenwright killed Harvey Dent?
Kieran Kinsella
418 Posted 27/01/2022 at 02:44:09
Jamie

I'm in Kansas City and they'll be hell to pay if Andy or Patrick skip town.

Then again, I love a little anarchy.

Terry Downes
419 Posted 27/01/2022 at 03:23:49
Why would anyone want Moshiri to leave? Surely it's better to have a bullionaire on board than not?

If you look at his manager appointments, with the exception of Rafa and Sam, most would on paper be decent – plus the fact he's bankrolled all of em with silly money makes me think he's not the villain here.

Have a go at Kenwright all you want but leave Moshiri alone – it could get worse.

Christine Foster
420 Posted 27/01/2022 at 03:28:20
My little ray of hope... as it's taking so long, is it a sign that he hasn't got it?

He is punching above his weight... has he got what it takes to play and do well in the Premier League? He thinks he can, but this would be a gamble too far, me thinks...

Don Alexander
421 Posted 27/01/2022 at 04:03:10
You can rely on this buffoon owner/boardroom to fuck things up so badly that the next manager appointed has mountains of their dithering baggage to deal with before he even tries to get a tune out of the so-called players.

Oy vey!, and no, I'm not Jewish, it's just that I think it sounds more polite than "What the fuck do you knobheads know about even running a fucking errand, never mind one of twelve clubs that founded the first ever football fucking league?"

Eivind Nyhus
422 Posted 27/01/2022 at 04:47:04
Not saying I'm for Vitor, but I'm very surprised to see so many on here think Lampard would be the answer. I think they should go back and watch some of his last games as Chelsea manager, it might change their minds a bit.
David Pearl
423 Posted 27/01/2022 at 05:04:46
Eivind, they don't actually. They just don't want another one of Moshiri's picks after he did so well with the previous 5, or 6 (l lost count). The problem has always, always (always) been about recruitment.

If you look closely at where the mob sprayed onto Bills head at Goodison, it was in fact a speach bubble that read "l love Don Alexander" Fact.

Pete Clarke
424 Posted 27/01/2022 at 05:58:54
Moshiri obviously didn't want to be running the club on a daily basis which is why he felt it good to have left Kenwright in charge as part of his takeover. Big mistake. He should have done his due diligence on the club and found that we were doing nothing but surviving.

Moshiri was nowhere to be seen when Koeman was playing golf and spending stupid money on shit players. Big mistake because the person he had left to look after the club was not doing his job and nobody stepped in.

He has continued to put his trust in a failed board. Big mistake and clearly not learning.

He has put trust in people spending his money on more crap players, he has appointed two of the worst managers in our history so if he feels it's not his fault then he should have sacked the board.

I also felt for Moshiri because he's lost a lot of money but the same board are still there, plus a dangerous super agent hovering around, so he is clearly out of his depth and is now dragging us down due to his own inaction and naivety against the current board or finding professional people to replace them.

He is simply not cut out to be making decisions and therefore we are stuck with a really shit board of directors. It's simple really.

Get rid of them and appoint a professional board to run the club. By doing this, he could then site back in Monaco and watch the stadium progress with no need to get involved. We would all be on his side if he did this.

I won't hold my breath on it though.

Paul Swan
425 Posted 27/01/2022 at 07:34:09
What worries me the most about all of this is the dirty fingerprints of Kia Joorabchian all over this. Many of our problems with the club and Moshiri in particular stem back to the Arsenal connection his puppet master Usmanov had.

When he pulled his money out of Arsenal, we ended up getting Koeman as manager who had been strongly linked with the Arsenal job. They, like us, have been in a mess due to the influence of Joorabchian in transfer dealings.

He brokered the Alex Iwobi transfer to us. He is obviously poisoning the pot now at Everton and seems to be the main advisor to Moshiri. Alarm bells should ring out loud with this guy and his cronies.

Martin Mason
426 Posted 27/01/2022 at 08:56:23
Great that we have such fans to protect us.
Ray Smith
427 Posted 27/01/2022 at 09:08:04
Meanwhile, what's happening in respect of transfers in and out?

5 days to go, including today. What a joke. We have become a laughing stock. Last day panic buys! We never get it right.

Paul Hewitt
428 Posted 27/01/2022 at 09:38:13
Reports claiming Lampard will be our new manager. And Dele Alli will sign.
Mark Ryan
429 Posted 27/01/2022 at 09:44:34
Eivind, I'll go and also watch some of Alex Fergusons games when he was in charge of Man Utd where he lost games too, he was rubbish in some of those games, wasn't he, especially where they lost to Liverpool in that game and the Man City one too and oh yes, the Everton game too!!

Seriously, watch the games to see how rubbish he was? So Everton away at Norwich. The players or Rafa? Who do you want?

Iain Latchford
430 Posted 27/01/2022 at 09:48:26
We sacked Benitez after the Norwich game on 15 January. They must have known leading up to the game that this was going to happen if we lost.

It's now 27 January and we still don't know what is happening. This just epitomises the current state of the club, and the people running it.

I hope it's Lampard, but if I was him I'd have serious reservations about joining this circus. He also has his career to consider; if this goes wrong, he'll struggle to get another Premier League job.

Ian Nulty
431 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:04:47
Paul Hewitt #429

Very interesting, where can we read these reports you speak of or are you just stirring it?

Certainly, Dele Alli would be a great signing but who is at he club now to pursue this signing...

Bill Fairfield
432 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:20:39
Awful owner, poor board of directors, no manager, fans rightly protesting, transfer window closes in four days, meddling outside influences, Doucoure out for four weeks.The perfect storm is brewing for relegation. What else could go wrong?
Peter Carpenter
434 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:38:43
Doris the tea lady just quit.
Peter Carpenter
435 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:39:58
One too many wet spoons in the sugar bowl.
Andrew Ellams
436 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:43:52
Rick Tarleton
437 Posted 27/01/2022 at 10:57:22
I'm quite intrigued as to how Everton actually draw up their list of preferred candidates for the post of manager.

Does the Board as a whole have a meeting and make a long list or even a short list?

Do Kenwright and Moshiri go head-to-head discussing who they want?

Does Moshiri do this on his own or with Usmanov or even with Joorabchian? I know that ultimately it's Moshiri's decision, but is it totally a one man process.

Then who does he consider? Does he look at who's doing a good job with a so-called smaller club? Potter at Brighton,Cooper at Forest? Corberan at Huddersfied or even Rooney at Derby. Somehow I don't think this stage is even considered as we seem to go for "names". The bigger the better.

Then does he interview his preferred candidate on his own? With the Board? With Usmanov? Kenwright?

There's so little transparency with the process, possibly it's the same at every club. Who appointed Rangnick at Old Trafford?

It's just that Moshiri's track record is so appalling, one hopes that he is using other minds, men (or women) who are instinctive and knowledgeable football people (not Jim White).

It seems to be stabs in the dark, there is no coherent philosophy, no awareness of aims, objectives, methods. Just a hope that the next big name will miraculously solve the problem.

Paul Hewitt
438 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:01:35
Laurie @441.

Who's your choice then?

James Hughes
439 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:05:45
Peter #438,

I hope that's not a euphonism, poor girl... ;)

Laurie Hartley
440 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:10:28
Paul # 442 - Pereira.
Alec Gaston
442 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:30:08
James #444,

That's the first thing I have laughed at in days – thank you.

Laurie Hartley
443 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:33:34
Mark - I certainly wouldn't suggest Lampard tells lies.

Lampard lost his job at Chelsea in January 2021 - I wonder if he applied for the Everton job when Carlo jumped ship?

As for Pereira, if the money in China is as good as it has been suggested then he won't be short of a quid after 3 years there.

My understanding is that he has been offered a 4-month contract with a possible extra year if we stay up.


Peter Carpenter
444 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:35:24
James (444) an update for you;

The experienced Mrs Doyle is the current bookies favourite for the post but there is support for Mrs Wilson of Nimrod Street as she is available and lives in the area. She has however been dabbling in Chinese Green Tea and even some loose Oolong lately and that may count against her.

The majority share holder is thought to favour a 'Portuguese hothead' Delores De Largo, but she is known to be something of a teacup thrower which may not be welcomed in the dressing room. De Largo today took the unusual step of bursting into the 'This Morning' TV studio and forcing Earl Grey and Ginger Nuts down Philip Schofield's throat in an attempt to swing the decision her way.

Fans protested outside the stadium last night, calling for an end to this farcical process and demanding that an automatic tea machine be installed instead.

Brian Williams
446 Posted 27/01/2022 at 11:43:02
Lauie #453,

"My understanding is that he has been offered a 4 month contract with a possible extra year if we stay up".

Any source for the reason that's your understanding?


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