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1 Posted 23/01/2022 at 19:29:50
2 Posted 23/01/2022 at 19:36:42
3 Posted 23/01/2022 at 20:06:08
Fowler couldn't be more wrong without going to a store called "wrong ideas r us" to buy a big hat with "I'm wrong" printed on the front
In this day and age the only thing that matters is loads and loads of cash which we simply do not have. Philosophy and culture is middle management waffle and nothing more than esoteric bollocks.
The DOF position is another sound-bite position it doesn't work here and only clubs with loads and loads of dinero make a stab at it. Doubtless if they binned it tomorrow no one would notice.
4 Posted 23/01/2022 at 20:18:05
5 Posted 23/01/2022 at 20:34:52
6 Posted 23/01/2022 at 20:39:56
There is no known pattern or preference for a particular football style or setup.
Get that right and it helps keep player recruitment aligned to whoever is coach or manager.
7 Posted 24/01/2022 at 05:22:33
8 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:12:43
9 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:17:05
10 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:24:58
11 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:28:48
12 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:31:17
13 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:33:47
Until he can be convinced they are not looking after his investment and adding value, then he does not need to act.
Any action on his part to do that also means that he has admit that his appointments have been incorrect.
14 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:37:30
15 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:46:23
It doesn't matter how many or for how long the fans sit-in following matches, it doesn't matter how loud we scream and protest, the owner is master of all he surveys and he can do what he likes, and if people on the board advise him against making certain decisions he can put his fingers in his ears and whistle Dixie and carry on regardless.
The next big step that Moshiri makes, may well be to appoint Kiavash "Kia" Joorabchian to a position of power within the club, although I'm not certain that would be allowed.
16 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:47:01
Everton's major problems on the pitch is a succession of managers who wasted money on players who have brought Everton into the relegation zone.
The sooner Everton find a suitable manager, the sooner the better to get Everton out of the threat of relegation.
17 Posted 24/01/2022 at 16:48:36
Fowler is wrong about the need for a DoF in my opinion.
18 Posted 24/01/2022 at 17:37:01
19 Posted 24/01/2022 at 18:01:04
IF we had a footballing chairman or chief executive we wouldnt need a DOF right now but with teary Bill and his floosie not having a clue about football we need a footballing man to make decisions and set the tone going forward. I would like Tim Cahill to be given that job to support big Dunc and Bainsey till the end of the season and in the meantime sound out the right person to coach and manage the playing staff.
20 Posted 24/01/2022 at 18:39:21
21 Posted 24/01/2022 at 19:11:17
I believe you're correct John Raftery. We are now one of only 2 Premier League clubs that don't have a DoF or Sporting Director model in place.
22 Posted 24/01/2022 at 19:19:05
Its not just about Money, weve spent half a billion pounds already to be worse than weve ever been. We spent £35m on two players and then sacked the manager who signed them within a week, allowing him to bin off one of our first team regulars and usually one of the first names on the team sheet.
This is what happens with no plan, no strategy, and no clear direction. Its what happens when 2 people at the club treat it like their own personal plaything, treat the club and fans as if we are idiots and make random decisions without getting the right people in place to do this for them.
Fair play to Fowler. Its taken a red to sum this up perfectly. Sods law
23 Posted 24/01/2022 at 19:27:06
We were not pulling up trees before we decided It was a good idea to hire a DOF, but we usually occupied a top 6-7 place.
This entire nightmare began with DO fucken F's. When I hear people bang on about DOF's without understanding what they do. I go back to the fella in Bullens road shouting "score"
24 Posted 24/01/2022 at 19:42:16
Anyway it was a fucking utterly mad scheme but demonstrated just how bad things were. However, at the time we were in seventh place in the table. FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING MILLION POUNDS LATER, well, it's Everton, that.
25 Posted 25/01/2022 at 16:57:19
1,DOF who appoints a COACH.
2, DOF who buys young players who the coach. COACHES
3, DOF tells Unsworth just how our teams philosophy is and all ages play that way.
4, Moshiri stays away from meddling in transfers he just signs the checks.
26 Posted 25/01/2022 at 17:15:58
27 Posted 25/01/2022 at 17:33:44
I thought this was what Moshiri was proposing to do in a review but, hey, no – he just asks Jim White and Kia Koorabachian what they would do.
The club is an amateur show from top to bottom.
28 Posted 25/01/2022 at 17:45:03
It was great at first, as it really did wind the RS up, but it's annoying now. Kenwright, if I remember, milked it for all its worth when Moyes first came out with it, and he's never stopped since.
29 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:04:30
It's cringeworthy. It's Kenwright. It's cosy. Dare I say, Kopite like. Get rid of it.
I know what I expect from a DoF, Darren, if you do it right like a lot of clubs in the top flight of English and European football do.
It's like shouting "sack the charlatan manager" every 18 months only to go through the same thing again.
The manager is the wrong target.
30 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:16:28
The fact its still used now just demonstrates the reality that we havent progressed on or off the field since.
31 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:19:53
Two of the main claims for a DoF are stability and dictating a style of play. We've already blown the stability argument. On the second point if we appoint a new manager now before a DoF it's the wrong way round and a recipe for further sackings and payoffs.
If Moshiri is intent on a DoF it almost certainly means a temporary manager until the end of the season, but I'd expect anyone in the market to have us over a barrel and demand a second season. Just as Allardyce did. This probably leaves Moshiri hoping Ferguson can get the results we need.
32 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:20:18
Wasn't there a story way back in the day that when the club eventually got around to 'patenting' it, they found some scally scarf seller pedalling his wares outside the ground on match day had already done so.
And there was nowt the club could do to about it.
Or is that an urban myth..?
33 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:29:06
34 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:33:16
35 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:45:38
Thats the problem with Everton, they have got some wide-arse clever fans, (fuckn loads, take KEIOC, for example) who absolutely love our club, know as much about our club, as anyone connected to it, would do as much as anyone to see our club become successful, and have to suffer the present idiots slowly destroying the soul of our club, because there is nothing wrong with the way its being run, allegedly.
36 Posted 25/01/2022 at 18:57:12
Your post is entirely about the Moshiri years and nobody disputes his nob'ead status re footy but being a nob'ead has nothing to do with culture and philosophy.
A brief review of posts on here and other places prior to his takeover would find a goodly amount saying we were doing alright (punching above our weight – yuk!!) and that was without a DOF.
Oodles of money is irrefutably the key to get where we want it's not even an argument.
Consider the evidence. Man City and Chelsea spent loads on managers and players in their early stages and kept spending till they struck gold. The influence of a DOF (if they had one) was fuck all and the only philosophy involved was keep spending. You're just plain wrong.
I might add I didn't think we were doing alright at the time but that has zip all to do with a DOF, culture or philosophy.
37 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:01:43
Maybe the three clubs who get relegated from the EPL this season ?
The fact is only a few clubs will be successful by appointing a DOF. The overwhelming majority wont. There will be more funerals than weddings
It aint what you do its the way that you do it
38 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:12:04
Forest played Crystal Palace in a league cup match and because they supposedly had a lot of directors, the club laid a massive spread on for them.
Apparently only one Palace director turned up, so Clough rounded up all of the clubs apprentices, who were doing their duties after the game, and marched us all into the directors room, to eat the food.
It was brilliant, the directors were absolutely fuming, being made to wait on us kids, whilst Clough was taking the piss out of them because he could, mainly because it was definitely his club.
“If you see a wallet lads, put it in your fuckn pocket” he was saying, before then deciding he wanted a photo for the next programme.
He got the photographer who was about 75, and Im sure he made all the directors get on the picture. The fella was old and very slow, which prompted a very drunk Clough to shout, “hurry up Charlie you arl bastard”.
Next hes shouting, “take no notice of me Charlie, when I called you an arl bastard, I didnt mean you, I meant my fuckn chairman” and then started walking towards the door.
Take what yers can lads, if you see a wallet, stick it in your fuckn pocket, and dont be giving it back to these bastards, and off he went, followed by all us apprentices thirty seconds later, once they knew hed gone!
39 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:29:15
You and your ol' man should get together and write a book (or a series of articles) about your adventures, not just with football but around your lives in the city. The stories you both tell here are absolute gems.
You could call it The Book Of Abrahams. (The "s" is important to keep you out of copyright trouble with the Mormon Church.)
40 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:37:23
Now I do remember the first supposedly DOF was a guy called Daniel Commoli and he was Spurs first I think DOF and that didn't turn out too well but lo and behold Liverpool employed him and again it didn't go well.
Under Moshiri we to have employed 2 DOFs and under their stewardship we have gone backwards, and gone backwards spending vast fortunes. Now the cry from the supporters of the DOF model is they weren't given the chance to do their job properly. So they completely exonerate these guys from any responsibility, but quite happily put the blame at the door of the various managers.
So if we appoint another DOF who is given full control of player purchase and playing style, then I assume there has to be accountability so if it fails then why do we sack the manager and not the DOF?
Having watched some of the truly great managers (Nicholson, Catterick, Stein, Shankly, Paisley, Kendal, Ferguson, Guardiola) they decided what players to buy what system to play and haven't needed a DOF.
The bottom line is employ a top manager and bye and large they will deliver, and don't hand this to a chief scout as used to be the name they now call DOF.
41 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:43:31
I have a CD ( remember them) of Cloughie interviews. Always worth a listen on long journeys. A truly great manager and razor-sharp wit.
I wonder how the likes of Brian Clough and Howard Kendall would get on today? Personally I think they'd still be greats as they understood the game so well and their man-management was superb (although probably have to adjust some of their team bonding techniques). Cheers.
43 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:49:02
It was just a pity that Sir John Moores never signed him. To think of the dross we appointed around that time when we could have had probably the most charismatic manager around.
No wonder players would run through a brick wall for Clough, as Tony sums up the man completely having been an apprentice at Forest.
44 Posted 25/01/2022 at 19:51:51
45 Posted 25/01/2022 at 20:02:19
Got a good sense of humour as well, my sister in law who lives in New Jersey was home on holiday and wanted a Man Utd scarf for one of her friends in that city. Someone advised her to go to this man's stall in town, she asked him for the said scarf, he looked at her waiting for the punch line, realised she was serious and told her “We don't sell United scarfs here."
She asked him where she would get one, he then directed her to Lime Street she said where abouts in Lime Street would she get one.
He said, “You know Lime Street Station?” she said yes she did,
“Well,” he said, “Go into the station and buy a ticket to Manchester, you'll get all the scarfs you want there.”
46 Posted 25/01/2022 at 20:19:20
Interference has unbalanced the club from top to bottom. Poor choices and wasted money have resulted in this total mess.
Now we all hope for some kind of reprieve to keep us up, so the powers-that-be might just sort things out for the better.
47 Posted 28/01/2022 at 12:35:12
Whoever was responsible for selecting the signings are the cause of all our disruption, who they were/are I am not sure.
I'm not a fan of DoF's, If they are in agreement with the manager on who they buy ok, but the manager has the last say.
We can blame individual managers, they all make mistakes but it comes down to recruitment for me.
48 Posted 28/01/2022 at 13:08:23
Thanks for confirming my recall was correct and that it wasn't an urban myth.
I'm pretty sure I originally read that from you yourself Dave, here on TW. Good on him.
And Tony. BRILLIANT Cloughie anecdote. They don't make them like him any more, do they?
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