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Everton in the mix for sought-after Aarons

| Wednesday, 24 February 2021 95comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are said to be seriously interested in Norwich City's Max Aarons but will face stern competition for the full-back's signature this summer.

The Blues are on the lookout for a long-term successor for Seamus Coleman in that part of the pitch and have reportedly highlighted Aarons as a top target and they would have an advantage given their relationship with the Canaries and the success that Ben Godfrey has had settling straight into the first-team under Carlo Ancelotti.

However, Bayern Munich have apparently lodged a firm inquiry in the 21-year-old and there is interest from Manchester United as well.

Aarons is expected to cost around £30M if he is to leave Carrow Road in the next transfer window, which Norwich owner Delia Smith has admitted is very likely.

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Si Pulford
1 Posted 24/02/2021 at 17:08:40
Hopefully, he can see a way into the first team at Everton. Bayern and Man Utd may not be able to offer the same opportunities. Godfrey is the best example he could hope for and hopefully he'll be in his mate's ear. Coleman proved on Saturday he's still got a place at the club, but for me, only in a five – not a four.
Lloyd Brodrick
2 Posted 24/02/2021 at 17:49:05
Held in high regard by the Norwich fans, 21 and developing very well. I remember watching him being ripped to pieces in that 3-0 against Wolves last year, I felt sorry for him.

However, he is a bit like Godfrey, head screwed on and a great attitude. I think he may want to follow given the opportunities Everton could offer him.

Ajay Gopal
3 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:23:01
I would gladly pick up both Aarons and Buendia from Norwich – together, they would strengthen our right side immeasurably.

We should have some money by selling Kean, whose value goes up week on week. I would also sell one of our centre-backs and I have long felt that Mina is both our most saleable and disposable asset in that area. With Keane, Holgate, Godfrey and Branthwaite (and possibly Gibson) to come back, I think we are pretty well stocked there.

Robert Tressell
4 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:30:49
With Man Utd, he'd have to overtake Wan Bissaka. Dalot may well leave after his loan and Williams seems to be the stand-in only. Aarons is quite different to Wan Bissaka – who I think is starting to show his limitations after a decent start. He could dislodge him certainly.

There's also a good chance of first-team football at Bayern. They have Sarr, Pavard and Sule. The latter two might well be the centre-back pairing if Alaba leaves and Boateng ages. Sarr is no great shakes. Sule really isn't a right-back at all.

So, I guess we're not looking the most likely destination. Suspect Dagba, Celik, Emerson and even the above-mentioned Williams might be more likely.

Lamptey is very good too as people will no doubt say but he'd cost circa £45M and I just can't see us spending that on a right-back. The big bucks should go on more attacking talent.

Colin Glassar
5 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:31:26
Good post, Ajay. I was actually upset when we got Godfrey and not Aarons (silly me, I know). Aarons is a brilliant young player who will fit in seamlessly at right-back with Seamus mentoring him.

Our right side is weak so we need a player who can play on the flanks as well (Vasquez?) as he-who-shall-not-be-named is fucking useless!

Dave Williams
6 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:38:07
The lad at Leeds with the topknot looks a useful right-back?
Tony Everan
7 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:38:58
I am thinking the same, Ajay.

Aarons and maybe Buendia or other top quality midfielder in, Kean and possibly Mina out to balance the books. This business makes us way stronger. Ben Godfrey enjoying his football here will make the move a possibility. He will be likely keeping in touch with them.

I think Mina has done very well this season but we have Keane, Holgate, Godfrey and Branthwaite all centre-backs. It could be a shrewd time to cash in on Yerry whilst his stock is high to allow significant strengthening elsewhere.

I would like to see Branthwaite back in the summer and give him a cover/ cup route to the first team.

Any news on Gbamin anyone? I thought he was meant to be back in training....

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:47:11
I love Mina but, if we have to sacrifice a centre-back to strengthen the squad, then it would have to him as his injury record and (sometimes) dubious defending skills make him my obvious choice. Pardon me, Yerri.

Between Mina and Kean, we could probably raise about £70M if we play hardball. Plus £2M for Iwobi, £10M for Bernard, £18M for the riffraff and – Bob's your Uncle – there's the £100M Moshiri is planning to spend!

Robert Tressell
9 Posted 24/02/2021 at 18:54:38
We're reportedly looking for £70M for Kean alone, Colin. Although, I'd say £50M is more likely. If we can get that, then I expect we'll spend about £100M or so.

I'd rather not let Mina go just yet. He can keep James happy with Colombian gossip for another year while Branthwaite goes on another (but hopefully final) loan.

Martin Berry
10 Posted 24/02/2021 at 19:29:28
I would file this under "cert".

We want a right back, and we want him. He is best mates with Ben Godfrey, playing for a world class manager, playing for a team that beats Liverpool. Add to that, he will be playing in a state-of-the-art stadium in a few years.

Why would he want to sign for anyone else?

Brian Wilkinson
11 Posted 24/02/2021 at 19:29:35
Looks like our key area for strengthening... so, if we can get Aarons, then it would be a very good start to our rebuilding.

I think we stand a good chance, with Godfrey already being here.

Mike Gaynes
12 Posted 24/02/2021 at 20:10:50
Aarons is enormously gifted and just the sort of attacking right-back we'd be looking for, but what I've seen of his defense has made me cringe sometimes.

He lunges in and gets caught out of position, and fundamentals like man-marking are pretty much a foreign language to him at this point. He'll need an intensive year of tutelage under Professor Coleman (himself once a defensive blunder machine) before he's even an adequate Prem defender.

Colin, if we're going to sell a centre-back, I say it should be Holgate rather than Mina, but if we can I think we should keep 'em all for another season. Having that kind of depth and flexibility is a luxury we should enjoy.

Peter Warren
13 Posted 24/02/2021 at 22:20:12
Mike, you make a good point about Coleman. I remember I think his second season when he played against Barnsley and I thought no way can this guy play right-back, his defending is shocking.

How wrong I was as what a fabulous full-back Coleman has been. Another example the other way around is Gary Neville, who was originally poor going forward and a limited footballer. However, through hard work and tactical discipline, he turned into at least a decent defender going forward.

If the talent and will is there I'm confident this Aarons will improve his defending.

Stephen Williams
14 Posted 24/02/2021 at 22:24:51
Really not convinced by Aarons. I don't doubt his pace or his attacking prowess but, as Mike (12) says, his defending leaves a lot to be desired. This has been a weakness for the last 3 years. Not saying he can't learn but for the money being talked about, we should be looking at the finished article rather than a hope for the future.

He also looks on the small side for a defender and we could lose aerial battles on that side. Although Wiki says he's 5'-10", he looks shorter than that.

Leicester signed the excellent Timothy Castagne (6' tall and a full Belgium international) for £21M, so players are out there if we scout right.

Paul Birmingham
15 Posted 24/02/2021 at 22:50:48
I'd take Max, and hopefully he will bring more quality and versatility and skill to this squad.

Interesting times, and as much as anything let's see how our goalkeeper situation developed this last quarter of the season.

If Olsen stays great, but, this needs resolving soon, and could potentially mean we have another goalkeeper quest.

But I think Olsen overall, not Neville, who will be okay and when called upon has done well, and has saved us points (Leeds) and kept us in the FA Cup.

Let's see, what happens.

Lester Yip
16 Posted 24/02/2021 at 22:52:34
The Fulham right-back, Tete, who gave Digne a hard time in their last game, seems decent too if we cannot get Aarons.
Matt Stapleton
17 Posted 24/02/2021 at 23:22:32
We should sign the goalkeeper from Getafe, I think it is on a free... the one we were linked with. Keep Olsen as back-up and sell Pickford. Bob's yours – we've another £30 million in the bank. That's Aaron's sorted before we even get to Moise Kean.

Personally I'd still swop him for a wagon wheel, but apparently we might get a bit more. It just might start taking shape this summer. What price are we for the Champions League in 2 years? Hmmmm...

Mike Gaynes
18 Posted 25/02/2021 at 02:34:26
Matt #17,

I assume you are talking about David Soria, and he is definitely not on a free -- per Transfermarkt, he's under contract to Getafe until June 2022. Fine keeper, but I never heard we were linked with him.

Jack Convery
19 Posted 25/02/2021 at 02:54:32
Aarons is okay but Lamptey is better. I think £30m for Aarons is too much as his defending is not yet up to scratch. We could send Jonjoe Kenny as part of any deal in the other direction.
Terry White
20 Posted 25/02/2021 at 03:28:02
Jack (#19), why do you think Lamptey can defend? If anything his positional sense and defensive work is worse than Aarons and that is saying a lot as Mike (#12) and Stephen (#14) have said above.

Concern has been expressed about Aaron's height. Lamptey is 5'-5"!! And looks extremely lightweight.

The Aarons saga has gone on for months now. I fail to see why people cannot understand that defence is his weakness. Of course Ben Godfrey may have put in a good word for him which would be in his favour.

Alan J Thompson
21 Posted 25/02/2021 at 04:42:33
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read when we signed Nkounkou that he could play both left- and right-back. Has he ever been given a game at right-back in the U23s? Albeit he is not the finished article at the moment.
Matt Stapleton
22 Posted 25/02/2021 at 04:51:41
Mike 18.

Apologies, it's Rui Silva I was thinking of from Granada. To be fair, I know nothing about him but he's being raved about somewhat apparently.

If it's true, then it's an upgrade on Pickford and we get cash, presuming someone wants Pickford.

I digress, certainly exciting times ahead.

Alan J Thompson
23 Posted 25/02/2021 at 05:13:27
Pickford; It seems, in the mind of some, a very short trip from Man-of-the-Match to the deadwood pile.

My opinion of him is that he tends to overthink some situations, like tapping a ball going over the bar back into play so he could catch it rather than safety first.

Mr Ancelotti will have him work it out if he hasn't already and there seems to be few better shot-stoppers, particularly who don't slide around on their knees or attempt the splits at every occasion.

Mike Gaynes
24 Posted 25/02/2021 at 06:34:17
Matt, no problem, although I know nothing of Rui Silva. But you seem to think everybody you hear about is an upgrade on Pickford... I watch a lot of goalkeepers, and I've seen very, very few who would be a significant improvement on the guy we have. And almost all of them would cost more. I'd say we can give a bit more time to the guy who just chalked up a shutout at Anfield.

Alan J, sorry but here's the correction: Nkounkou has never played a single game at right-back in a 48-game pro career, according to Transfermarkt. That's 43 for Marseille's B team and 5 for our first team. Somebody who has seen him for our U23s can confirm whether he's ever played anything but left-back for them, but I don't think so.

Terry #20, agree on Lamptey, especially since he's had three injuries in the last four months. You know, folks, it really is okay if we shop beyond overpriced England for our next right-back... there's plenty of less expensive talent on the Continent. Gotta be another Nkounkou over there somewhere.

Robert Tressell
25 Posted 25/02/2021 at 07:31:37
Full back is really a midfield position now, with two or even 3 midfielders being used as a defensive screen. Aarons fits the bill perfectly hence the interest from two giant clubs (and also Man Utd).

I just doubt we'll spend £35M on a right-back when we have such urgent requirements for pace and goals in the attacking third.

Dagba of PSG could well join as part of the Kean deal – and would be half the cost of Aarons (and may even prove to be the better player).

Finally, no one will buy Pickford for £30M. The clubs with that sort of money to spend already have a better keeper. Clubs with a worse keeper don't have that sort of money.

Peter Gorman
26 Posted 25/02/2021 at 08:18:45
Aren't Norwich nailed on to be promoted?

Would they even sell to us, or would it be for the quoted fee above?

Fran Mitchell
27 Posted 25/02/2021 at 09:46:48
Robert: The clubs with that sort of money to spend already have a better keeper.

I disagree.

Spurs' Lloris is getting on, is more mistake prone and getting much stick from fans.

Schmeichel at Leicester is 34, so sooner or later will need replacing.

De Gea is a shadow of his former self and probably won't last long, while Henderson is totally unproven.

The jury is still very much out on Mendy at Chelsea.

Then you've got Wolves who aren't short a penny, and their fan's No1 gripe is the aging Rui Patricio.

A decent performance from Pickford in the summer and a solid end to this season could make Pickford a very in demand keeper once again.

But I'd also state, that like with many of our players, Pickford has suffered greatly from being poorly managed and poorly coached. Something that has changed with Ancelotti. And while, maybe in the first 1/3 of the season, Pickford was below par - ever since being 'rotated' with Olsen, he's been consistently improving - with only really the Leicester game mistake being one that stands out. His performance at at the Derby could well signal a new direction in his career with us.

Erik Dols
28 Posted 25/02/2021 at 09:51:54
Peter #26: As I read it somewhere, Aarons and Norwich have a gentleman's agreement that he can leave after this season for a set amount. Last summer some big clubs were reportedly already interested. Norwich and Aarons agreed that if he stayed for one more season, helping them get back in the Premier League, in return they wouldn't demand crazy fees after promotion.

I personally rate him quite high and would feel it is an excellent Coleman replacement. But then again, what do I know?

Mike Allison
29 Posted 25/02/2021 at 09:53:30
Aarons is exactly the right signing at the right time. If it happens I might start to think someone at Everton knows what they're doing.

I'm still disappointed that we've not developed Jonjoe Kenny at all this season. We'll need two for each position in the long run if we're in Europe, and someone like Kenny is a perfect ‘second' right back, given his affinity for the club.

Tony Everan
30 Posted 25/02/2021 at 10:02:05
Lester @ 16, Right backs...

Kenny Tete is an interesting one, he really impressed me when they came to Goodison. Fulham picked him up for 3m from Lyon and he is on a 4 year deal, so unless there is a low buyout clause he has slipped through the net. He’s definitely a player to monitor.

Sam H or Robert had him on the watch list last summer.

Peter Gorman
31 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:42:34
Thanks Erik. Assuming that they do go up, we'd probably need European football to tempt either him or the excellent Buendia.

Over to Carlo and the boys.

Robert Tressell
32 Posted 25/02/2021 at 13:23:25
Fran, I see what you mean, but I'm pretty confident none of Spurs, Leicester, Man Utd, Wolves or Chelsea will spend £30m on Pickford. They will all almost certainly go foreign. Pickford has improved and has talent but the media has slaughtered him and he's no longer a sought after commodity, as he was after the last World Cup.
Graham Hammond
33 Posted 25/02/2021 at 13:53:43
Kenny Tete really impressed me and presumably would be a lot cheaper to pick up than Max Aarons therefore in theory leaving more money to strengthen elsewhere. Good shout by Lester (#16).
Jay Harris
34 Posted 25/02/2021 at 14:57:43
I'm in the Lamptey camp. Every time I see that kid, I see pace, purpose and dedication.

He is electric going forward, which seems to be the current vogue, which is showing up Wan Bissaka's limitations – great defender though he is.

Other than that, we should consider looking further afield. Had we ever heard of Lucas Digne before we signed him?

I also think converted wingers can make good wingbacks or full-backs. Look at Seamu. He started as a winger and gradually learned how to play full-back while retaining his forward running.

Barry Jones
35 Posted 25/02/2021 at 15:23:47
Great player, Pity we didn't get him at the same time as Godfrey.
Barry Jones
36 Posted 25/02/2021 at 15:25:54
Lamptey is a great option too
Graham Mockford
37 Posted 25/02/2021 at 16:00:26
Way too early to consider Lamptey. He may turn out to be a good 'un but the lad has only ever played 20 Premier League games.

The one player I'd love us to be in for is Kalvin Philips at Leeds. He looks the sort of player you could build a side around. His performance against us at Goodison is one of the best by an opposing central midfield player I can remember for a long time.

Kris Boner
38 Posted 25/02/2021 at 16:33:33
I've watched every game this season and due to previous articles and comments penned have a vested interest in Pickford's success, and I have to say;

As good as Olsen has been at shot-stopping his distribution is woeful and it has an definite impact on the way the team plays football. Pickford, as shown against Liverpool is an equally good shotstopper but also a vastly superior distributer of the ball.

This is 100% the reason why we will struggle to trade up on Pickford in the short term. Even the great white hope, Pope, is a woeful kicker of the ball and would have a negative impact on how the team plays in possession.

Absolutely open to suggestions from the Continent but there are very few available keepers who are as competent as Pickford in all areas AND as excellent with the ball at their feet. Its why Carlo picks him and its why Southgate picks him.

Matt Stapleton
39 Posted 25/02/2021 at 16:47:14
Not to make this a pickford thread, but it goes for any player.
If you can sell a player for good money and replace him with an equally as talented or better player for free/cheaper then it makes sense, and is something that plenty of clubs do that arent blessed with oil money owners.
Therefore for me if you can replace pickford with rui silva and reinvest in Aaron's or any other then it's just good business.
We can argue about pickford all day, if he has a good euros hes suddenly worth at least 30 mil.

Having said that I do agree with you Kris

Robert Tressell
40 Posted 25/02/2021 at 16:48:53
Kris I'm glad you said that about Pope. Burnley play a very limited style of football, which means asking simple basic things of mainly limited footballers. Pope benefits hugely from this. I'd like to see how commanding he looks with the sort of backpasses that Pickford is routinely subjected to.

It's fine for Burnley to play that way and stay in the division as a consequence, but it's also self limiting.

This is why big clubs will overlook him (and Dyche too for that matter).

Joe McMahon
41 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:14:55
Robert @40 exactly the same reason we were lumbered with Moyes and Hibbert for so long. When Moyes got his chance (being friend of SAF) it didn't last long. Dyche is limited, but he's operating a tiny budget. There are similarities between the two. I do however rate Nick Pope.
Si Cooper
42 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:16:32
I’m one of those not wholly convinced by Aarons (or Lamptey) on what I’ve seen. Seems to me the fullbacks who are exciting going forwards get people over-excited and they pay too little attention to their defensive frailties.
Personally, I’d prefer another good ‘all rounder’ like Seamus. Sure Seamus won’t win any style awards but he’s generally done a very good job for someone trying to be in the right place at the right time at opposite ends of the pitch!
Witness our class-lacking neighbours and their succession of flash in the pan right-backs over the last decade. To my mind Arnold has now been ‘found out’ and their left flank is the one you really need to bottle up to bemuse them.
I’ve said before that I think Reece James is the one to lust after (no chance there though) and I sincerely believe he will outshine / outlast any of his contemporaries. Like a few others, I’m hoping we can pick up as good as if not better than Aarons for less than 30 million. I have to admit though that I had serious doubts about whether Grealish could consistently deliver and he’s certainly changed my mind about him.
Mike Gaynes
43 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:18:00
Kris #38, fine post.

Agree with the multiple comments on Tete, although I'd like to see more of him.

Graham #37, agreed, he's top quality, but I see zero chance Leeds would sell him. He's immensely popular there. And we do have defensive mid pretty well sorted with Allan coming back, Doucoure having a fine season and Davies improving so much.

Stephen Brown
44 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:23:44
The Rotherham right back in the cup games was very good! I think he scored too
Steve Ferns
45 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:26:34
This is the number one transfer target for me. I want to see Everton now sign 1-3 players of this type every season. High quality young players. I'm glad Everton are going in early. I hope they are prepared to pay exactly what Norwich want. With no messing around we can say to the lad, look this is how much we want you and value you, we're not haggling over pennies. There is a clear pathway for him. He would have to compete with Coleman, Holgate, Kenny and Godfrey. What top young player would not expect to grab the berth from them?

Coleman would be a difficulty for him in the short term, but he's 11 years younger than Seamus. Seamus only 32, but he's an "old" 32. There's a lot of miles on the clock and a question mark over his ability to go well into his 30's due to the effects of that injury.

The issues with Aarons himself mirror those of Coleman. He's a great attacker, as alluded to above, but suspect at defending. Not quite as bad as some make out, because a lot of that is down to Norwich's tactics. Coleman learnt to defend. Aarons can learn to defend.

Holgate can defend very well, but he cannot learn how to attack like Aarons, those are skills you are born with. And for me, these are the two who I would have a long term plan for. Holgate and Aarons. We play Newcastle and Fulham, we start Aarons and attack them. We play Liverpool and City, and you go with Holgate (or Godfrey) and have defensive nous instead, cutting the cloth to fit.

But as I said, I want to see quality young players with big futures. Just a couple of signings a season, made with one eye on the academy and making sure we don't block the path of someone like Small (LB) or Onyango (CM).

As for Buendia, he's be a good replacement for Bernard. If we keep Bernard, then no we want a more out and out winger, and someone with a lot more pace. Also someone who stays in games as we have too many who drift in and out. Good player for sure, but too like Bernard and likely to cost a bit too much and we need someone with pace down the right of our front 3.

Steve Ferns
46 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:30:13
Kris, spot on. Olsen is a steady Eddie. He ain't good enough for top 6, and as you say his distribution really costs the side. If Pickford played like he did against Liverpool every week, then he'd be great. But he doesn't. I'll trust Carlo's judgement on Pickford, and Brand's judgement on who to replace him with. Olsen certainly is not the answer, and if he stays, it means Pickford is here to stay, it also means that they are not convinced by Joao Virginia.
Ray Roche
47 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:43:25
A few posters have mentioned Pickford having 'A decent performance in the summer and a solid end to this season ' and we could get decent money for him.

Answer me this, if Pickford has left his 'demons' behind him and is playing as well as we know he CAN play, i.e., 'A decent performance from in the summer and a solid end to this season' then why would we be selling him? And who would arrive for sensible money who could turn defence into attack with the accuracy that Pickford has when playing the ball out from the back?

A contender for MOTM last Saturday and let's get rid today.

Mike Gaynes
48 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:43:26
Slightly off-topic, but interesting -- Carlo just now on Sky Sports:

"“I would like to be there when the new stadium is opened. It will be a good achievement for me. To finish the contract here in 2024 means that you did a good job and when you do a good job the contract will not be stopped in '24. It will continue. The time I spent here is one year and I have felt really good so I would like to stay as long as possible.”

"For us it will be really important to play in Europe next season, and it means a step forward for the players, a step forward for the club. We have to work hard, because it will not be easy, a lot of teams are involved there, but I think we can compete until the end."

Ignore my first line. Carlo is always on-topic.

Neil Copeland
49 Posted 25/02/2021 at 17:44:25
Steve F, good to see you back!
Steve Ferns
50 Posted 25/02/2021 at 18:07:49
Cheers Neil
Fran Mitchell
51 Posted 25/02/2021 at 20:31:27
As Steve said - when Coleman came through, it was all about his attacking. He was a 'lightweight' at the back. He came in, and especially with Moyes's style of play, looked far too weak defensively. Went to Blackpool, and tore it up (in an attacking sense). Then he came in and consolidated himself.

I love Coleman, one of the club's great servants of modern times. But he had limitations.

He was excellent running with the ball, excellent in link-up play and driving into the box. He was never a crosser of the ball like Digne. He would drive (he still is one of our best dribblers of the ball) forward, he managed to run as quickly with the ball as without, and he was strong. His crossing was more about percentages – get it into the danger areas, low, driving balls. Rarely did he ping it onto an attacker's head.

Defensively, he was often weak at stopping crosses, and backed off too much. But he worked hard and would chase, harry, and hassle. This was all taught, cause, when he started, he was nothing like this.

The key to a quality full-back is what they offer in an attacking sense. Defensively, it is mainly about positional discipline, reading the game, and workrate, more than being an excellent tackler or whatever.

Fran Mitchell
52 Posted 25/02/2021 at 20:35:51
Ray - when I said that about Pickford, I was replying to Robert who thinks no-one would want him.

I finished my post, however, stating that I think Pickford could have a great career with Everton. I do feel that it is unlikely we'd get a better keeper, and Pickford has lacked good management. He's now getting it and he is greatly improved.

Steve Shave
53 Posted 25/02/2021 at 20:45:18
Peter - 26,

Delia was quoted as saying just last week that it is part of their plan to sell Aarons and he will go with their blessing. There is potential scope for Kenny to be part of that deal.

Buendia all day long for me, he will go all the way to the top, that lad, and would be an excellent addition with a ready-made relationship with Aarons.

Welcome back, Steve Ferns! :)

Mike Gaynes
54 Posted 25/02/2021 at 20:47:44
Steve, did you say you'd be back when we won a Derby?
Ben Howard
55 Posted 25/02/2021 at 20:55:42
Yes please. I wanted him when we went for Godfrey and was disappointed we took the wrong player. Silly me!
Alan J Thompson
56 Posted 26/02/2021 at 04:05:57
Matt (#39);

It is not always good policy just to move on employees (players) just to make a profit as better teams can be produced if there is an esprit de corps, a team spirit, which is unlikely if everyone knows you'll be moved on if a quid can be made – not to mention it may promote a reluctance in possible replacements.

Derek Knox
57 Posted 26/02/2021 at 07:31:21
Also great to see Steve Ferns back, your in-depth articles have been missed, more by those who appreciate them, than by your detractors.

Agree with those who have said "If we could see the Pickford we saw on Saturday, more consistently" then why look for another keeper? Of course there are no guarantees in football and players do have off-days too, but if he can do it more regularly... (?)

Getting back to Max Aarons, yes, he looks a great prospect but, as Mike Gaynes said, who watches a lot of games (like myself), I have also witnessed his great wing play coupled with last-ditch poor defending. For the alleged £30M, I think it's a bit crazy, to be honest. What do I know though?

I also think it would be knee-jerk to get rid of Mina, as has been suggested; okay, he is a bit 'sicknoteish' but, on his day, a good asset in both boxes. Then there is the Latin American spirit factor: if he were to move, James would likely either not be happy, his form would dip, or he would want to follow.

Bobby Mallon
58 Posted 26/02/2021 at 09:18:40
NO NO NO to selling any of our first team squad especially Yerri Mina, he is a heartbeat of joy to that squad. Yes to Bernard, kean, Tosun, bolasie, and any other fringe players who may be out on loan or I can’t think of. We are building something special here and it needs to be nursed. I’m sick of selling top players. Mina is a very good defender.
Kevin Prytherch
59 Posted 26/02/2021 at 10:23:39
Mina needs to work with Ferguson to develop a toughness to his game. When he falls to the floor after being brushed with a shirt sleeve it is simply embarrassing and must provide all the motivation an opposition striker needs. When we played Newcastle, and Mina was rolling on the floor after the slightest of brushes with Wilson, Wilson must have thought “I’ve got the measure of this guy” and subsequently ran him ragged.

Once he addresses this, he can be a good defender. Take a lesson from Davies as well, he goes into any challenge and simply carries on. If you get clattered by a player and shrug it off, they won’t do it again.

James Marshall
60 Posted 26/02/2021 at 10:44:26
I spoke to a Norwich season ticket holder midweek (I live just outside Norwich) about Aarons and he was saying how Aarons and Godfrey are super tight buddies, and that Aarons was really keen to come to Everton as a result.

Derek Knox
61 Posted 26/02/2021 at 12:13:09
James, thanks for the info, it's always better to get genuine feedback from those genuinely in the know, or those who have genuinely met people from the Club, and got it from the Horses mouth. I dare say that if it comes down to a matter of choice, Max would probably want to join his mate, with us.

If I'm wrong, it could indicate that money has dictated his choice, rather than genuine ambition, to play at a Club where he would be almost guaranteed a start, if fit. Still think the figures being bandied about are excessive, for a 'prospect' whose defending is also questionable, in comparison say to Seamus, who can do both, but unfortunately can't go on forever!

Be nice if we could persuade Buendia too, but like-wise silly figures are being mentioned.

Daniel Borg
62 Posted 26/02/2021 at 20:34:26
My step-son used to play with Max at youth level, they were both at the Luton Town academy (and they share the same birthday). At the time, Max used to play up front. You could tell that he was special, he had bags of skill and a great eye for goal.

After a few years, Jack got released and Max moved to Norwich as he wasn't getting too much game time. Luton tended to want tall athletic footballers whereas Max was diminutive.

Anyway, we've followed his career with great interest. Max was clearly the standout player in that Luton Town team! I would dearly love it if he signed for the Blues!!

Michael Ward
63 Posted 26/02/2021 at 20:56:41
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, one of the weaknesses that has always been there in Seamus' game has been his crossing. We have Calvert-Lewin up top, our first choice right-winger is left-footed and likes to roam. We absolutely need a right-back with the athleticism to get up and down the pitch and who can deliver a great cross. We need a right-sided Digne – I have no idea if Aarons is that.
Paul Birmingham
64 Posted 27/02/2021 at 08:31:16
Welcome back Steve Ferns, and looking forward to your contributions to the threads.
Tony Everan
65 Posted 27/02/2021 at 08:54:19
Derek 61,

The £35M quoted troubled me too, but someone will probably pay £30M for him. At his young age, though, it is an investment signing who could well be more valuable in 3 or 4years at 25 or 26, or better still, develop into the country's best right-back and help Everton into the Champions League for a decade.

I'm hoping we are going to be targeting just one or two premium quality young players like Aarons who have desire, energy and burning ambition each summer window. They will be an educated gamble on obvious potential being fulfilled, it's the best way forward for Everton.

Aarons will be hungry for success and will embrace coming to Everton, especially as he will be buzzing playing alongside Godfrey. Sometimes, the chips fall into place on the ability to sign the right player at the right time, eg, Ancelotti bringing in Allan and James on very good deals that don't harm the club financially.

In a different way, the same now goes for Aarons. We need a great right back, his good friend is already here to help and encourage the move and we have the manager and the project both of which are irresistible. It's a big opportunity for us and for him.

The fly in the ointment may not be the £30M fee, it will be Aarons's perceived weaknesses. Can he improve on his current level? There have been a few question marks over his defensive side... I think it's the answers to those questions that will decide it.

You would expect that Brands has got two or three quality right-backs on the list as good alternatives. Also, Mr Ancelotti may fancy a completely different player but, because of the success of Godfrey, I'm sure he will be giving Aarons serious consideration.

Darren Hind
66 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:00:12
Steve F,

I didn't see you there as I tend to stay out of transfer chat until it becomes a reality.

Good to see you back. Good post too.

Terence Leong
67 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:22:43
On the one hand, it would seem that we have a surfeit of centre-backs. Under previous managers, it's hard to conceive how that is going to work. However, under Ancelotti, he seems to be rotating players around sufficiently, partly because of the different formations or tactics that he has employed.

As we are gunning for Europe, along with how injuries can hit us unexpectedly, I think we might not be that in-excess of centre-backs.

I haven't seen Aarons play, but we certainly need find a ready enough replacement to Seamus. Judging from those who have seen him, if he can fit in like Godfrey, then it's really looking up for the team.

Keane and Mina are senior centre-backs, coming into their prime (27-28 years old), while Holgate and Godfrey are young and experienced.

If only Seamus was at his peak during the 2012-15 period, that would have been quite something to behold for this team.

Ray Roche
68 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:33:16
Fran @52

I used the quote from your post as representative of the views posted by various contributors on different threads. There has been several comments all saying the same basic thing: If Pickford shows some form, ditch him for X, Y or Z.

Then, 12 months down the line, the same people would be complaining about Pope, Henderson, whoever was brought in to replace Pickford. Paper talk, I know, but Burnley have ‘put a £50M price tag on Pope'.

If Pickford continues in the form he showed versus Liverpool, he'll be wanted by Spurs, Man Utd etc. He's a very good keeper, just needs confidence.

Fran, it was your quote that perfectly summed up the views of several posters; it was not a direct criticism of you personally.

Hugh Jenkins
69 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:39:41
Good to see you back, Steve Ferns – I have missed your contributions. I notice too that Sam Hoar doesn't seem to post so often nowadays, someone else whose knowledgeable contributions I miss.

On the matter of Max Aarons, having seen the marked improvement in a number of players at Everton since Carlo and his coaching team arrived, I have little doubt that within 6 months, any deficiencies in Aarons's natural game will have been addressed and worked on, to the extent that – as well as being a major attacking force on the right – he will also be defending well.

That, after all, is what coaches are supposed to do and I do believe that, in Carlo (and his support team), we have been blessed with one of the best in the game.

Thomas Richards
70 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:47:16
Bayern have distanced themselves from signing Aarons.

Looks like it's a clear field for us if we want him.

Justin Doone
71 Posted 27/02/2021 at 09:58:36
I haven't seen enough of Aarons to judge. I can see potential but don't we want proven first-team quality rather than a player for the future when he learns how to defend?

And at £35M... we could get much better.

Pickford, I'd be happy to sell but I can't see another club spending £30M on him. I disagree he's improved. He just didn't make a mistake... but we all know he will!

Pickford's better distribution is a myth. How often does he kick it straight into touch or play a poor ball to a defender who's marked?

I'm more concerned about improving our midfield and forward options with top a class winger and an attacking midfielder. We need better than Sigurdsson, Bernard, Iwobi, Gordon, Gomes to improve our first team.

Andrew Ellams
72 Posted 27/02/2021 at 10:48:08
I'd take Aarons over Lamptey because he's got 3 years of regular first team experience including a year in the top flight.

There are going to be a lot of links with right backs between now and when we actually sign one though because it's going to be a top summer priority position so get ready for the good, the bad and the ugly.

Martin Berry
73 Posted 27/02/2021 at 11:22:23
At 21 he is hardly going to be the finished article but already has a lot of experience, including the in the Premier League when even younger.

The art of top class defending will only come with patience and time. Ally this to his given pace and skill and you can understand why he is really causing an interest from the top clubs.

Alan J Thompson
74 Posted 27/02/2021 at 16:24:15
Yeah, let's get a keeper who doesn't save much but doesn't miss his target and put it a metre over the white line rather than inside it. Who says a long ball game isn't wanted?!?
Si Cooper
75 Posted 27/02/2021 at 16:37:42
Justin (71) don’t have an exact figure but I’d wager his percentages are pretty decent when the pass back to him is a good one, especially when you factor in the type of pass he is attempting.
I’d imagine if you tend to phase out the good passes as background and get rabid when he does shank one then his passing probably wouldn’t appear to be any good at all.
David Currie
76 Posted 28/02/2021 at 04:30:36
Aarons would be a very good signing and hope that we get him.
Nick Bower
77 Posted 28/02/2021 at 19:36:37
Aarons is simply too short - during the 4-1 RS win over Norwich last season, he was a passive observer while Van Dijk and Origi headed home comfortably..
Clive Rogers
78 Posted 28/02/2021 at 20:50:30
Aarons is 5'-10” – the same as Coleman and Digne, for what it's worth.
Jerome Shields
79 Posted 28/02/2021 at 23:51:19
He was part of the Godfrey - Lewis (now at Newcastle) formidable defensive partnership at Norwich. Definitely worth looking at.
Tony Everan
80 Posted 01/03/2021 at 16:03:11
He is a colossus compared to the other right back who is on a few ‘short’ lists. Tariq Lamptey is 5ft 5”.

Stan Schofield
81 Posted 02/03/2021 at 14:39:12
When Godfrey was at Norwich, he and Aarons provided all the right defensive ingredients, not surprising given Delia Smith's expertise. So signing Aarons would add a bit of spice for us defensively.
Alan McGuffog
82 Posted 02/03/2021 at 17:13:41
I'm sure the lad is a good 'un. But I'm sure someone on here can explain why a right back from a recently relegated side would command a fee of £30-35 million. And a player knocking in goals for the top French side can leave for €30. According to red echo
Joe McMahon
83 Posted 02/03/2021 at 17:19:18
Alan @ 82, I do agree with you, but we splashed out 30 million for a relegated Pickford. It's crazy prices for relegated players, but Godfrey was over 20 million but he's good.
Will Mabon
84 Posted 02/03/2021 at 17:35:52
Hard to judge Aarons' pure playing value against Godfrey's but right now there is wider interest in Aarons than when we sort of quietly swooped for Godfrey. Adding that attack-capable full backs are a perceived and real important pivot in the play of modern teams, and perhaps more sought, then the 30 mil. tag is probably to be expected.

Of course, fees are bananas anyway.

Alan McGuffog
85 Posted 02/03/2021 at 17:58:38
If he's in the same bracket as Godfrey then I'd reckon £30m is not an unreasonable fee. What puzzles me is that we can consider letting Kean go for a tad less. His connection with both PSG and Juve must give him a high profile certainly higher than, say, Brewster, who the reds recouped £20 m for from the Blades. I'd say bidding should be allowed to start at £40 million.
So says the financial expert sat on his behind supping Aldi's Special Reserve Scotch style liquor!
Tony Everan
86 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:02:18
Alan ! Bushmill’s 21 year old single malt is the benchmark on ToffeeWeb.
Will Mabon
87 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:12:49
Alan, Kean is a less straightforward one (says this expert about to nip out, food shopping). He has no background/history in the form of a solid season or two of performance to consolidate a fee... just starting to realize potential in a league with less physical and combative demand, and in an attack of established high quality players.

Another season or two as he is playing, the value would undoubtedly rise but for now, there's still an element of taking a "Punt". PSG of course know what they would pay as a maximum; we don't! They also know we are not desperate to have him back. Other teams will have seen how he did at Everton. Again, not easy to judge.

The RS as you allude, have a history of leveraging high fees for relatively ordinary players, however they do it.

Alan McGuffog
88 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:14:20
Tony if you lean towards Ireland rather than Scotland might I recommend Green Spot, or indeed, Gold Spot.
My comments about Ald's finest were mere whimsy. At present I'm working with a fine Swedish dram, called Mackmyra. Rather lovely. Slainte!
Jay Harris
89 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:17:45
I may be wrong because I havent seen a lot of the lad but he has never stood out to me in fact I would say Holgate is the better of the two at this point in time.

30m is a lot to pay for potential especially when you look at what we paid for Nkounkou and Small.

Tony Everan
90 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:39:23
Thank you, Alan, for the recommendation of Green Spot, I will buy one at some stage (or better still, request one as a gift). Have you tried the Redbreast 12-year single pot Irish Whiskey? I was thinking of investing in a bottle.
Dermot O'Brien
91 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:54:58
Tony, Redbreast is class. Go for it.
Alan McGuffog
92 Posted 02/03/2021 at 18:59:44
Will, you know very wel, the answer to your own question. 666. They follow the left-hand path!

Tony, I have certainly enjoyed Red Breast although, for the life of me, I can't recall the age.

A few years ago, I had the pleasure to attend a whisky / whiskey tasting day at Willington Hall in Kelsall... The host, a fanatic Millwall fan called Jim Murray, introduced us to a beautiful whiskey. Not a day over 5 years old due to climactic considerations I suppose. Amrut, distilled in Bangalore. Do try!

I find whisky helps in supporting Everton. As does meths.

Colin Glassar
93 Posted 03/03/2021 at 11:46:27
With Aarons, Silas and Simas (both wingers) all linked to us, it would appear that Carlos's aim is to strengthen our right side.

Seamus can't go on forever, Holgate isn't a natural right-back and Iwobi is shite!

Alan Johnson
94 Posted 13/03/2021 at 15:29:10
Seems to be something in this. Hopefully...
Matthew Williams
95 Posted 02/04/2021 at 12:50:02
A decent enough player, but the shrewd move would be to go after the lad Olosunde from Rotherham, the lad terrified our defence alone in the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

He scored too.

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