Branthwaite joins Blackburn

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Jarrad Branthwaite's loan move to Blackburn Rovers has been confirmed, with the young defender joining the Lancashire club until the end of the season.

Branthwaite, a signing from Carlisle United a year ago, played an important role deputising at first-team level last season but suffered an injury early in 2020-21 and has since been reduced to a supporting role now that Everton's more senior centre-halves have regained fitness.

The Blues have now taken the decision to send the promising defender out on loan to get valuable first-team experience in the Championship.

“I've been pushing to get this done, to have the opportunity to come to such a good club and play football, it's something I can't wait to do now," Branthwaite said.

“Everton have four unbelievable centre-backs and I wasn't going to get game time, so I felt this was the perfect move for me and I'm just so pleased we could get it done.

“This was a no-brainer. This is the club I wanted to come to.”  


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Stephen Brown
1 Posted 14/01/2021 at 18:53:23
Should be a really good move for all concerned.

It’ll be interesting how we keep all these centre backs happy in coming years. Keane is currently top centre back in the league IMO. Mina is playing really well and consistently. Godfrey has played brilliantly at full back but surely Digne comes back in there at some point. Holgate the same at right back and probably started the season as number 1 choice! They are all at the age where they could be in competition for 5 years plus!

Add in Branthwaite after hopefully a successful loan and keeping them all happy will be a (good) challenge!

Tony Everan
2 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:01:01
A good move, Blackburn will have promised a good amount of game time. I will be looking out for reports of Blackburn games to see how he is getting on. Best of luck to him.
Derek Knox
3 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:12:07
Totally agree that it has to be better for the lad to be actively involved in more than just training, there is no substitute for actual game time no matter what talent a player possesses. Glad it's only a loan which possibly could be extended, if it works out okay for all parties.

Complications could arise if Blackburn got promoted, which is a possibility, as they are mid-table now, but only 15 points from the leaders Norwich. A few wins on the trot and other results going their way, as is the Premiership at present, and the whole picture changes. Just don't get injured Jarrad, and enjoy the experience, and hopefully come back even better.

Kieran Kinsella
4 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:13:09
More deadwood gone. Too bad he didn't make the grade.
Dave Williams
5 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:13:39
Stephen- I would guess that one will be sold to generate funds to strengthen elsewhere. Very much what RS have done so successfully- buy, develop and sell on and replace with similar for less money without weakening the squad.
Carroll, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, Mane, Salah etc. Not a bad blueprint to follow even though I hate them with a passion.
Jim Bennings
6 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:21:29
Seriously Kieran!?
Eddie Dunn
7 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:24:06
We somehow have ended -up with four very good centre backs. Now we need a specialist rightback to take over from Seamus.
Alex Gray
8 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:26:15
Seriously Kieran? What about him is deadwood?
Tony Everan
9 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:27:16
Fellers ! Kieran is pulling your plonkers ! zip up fast
Andrew Bentley
10 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:32:18
Didn’t make the grade @Kieran?!? He was bought for the future and only played last year due to the injuries and paucity of options we had at the back. As everyone else has mentioned with Godfrey now added we have 4 CBs to choose from.

He’s only 18 and far from dead wood. He’s still a young sapling who’s got to grow first and the loan will do him good (sorry couldn’t resist extending the wood/tree analogy!).

Derek Knox
11 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:32:49
Tony, I think Kieran goes fishing regularly with Darren, they have obviously read ' The Compleat Angler ' and have JR Hartley's book! 😜
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:34:37
I couldn't resist. lol Derek I found that book in the Yellow pages, had been been looking for it for ages
Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 14/01/2021 at 19:58:19
Kieran is the finest fisherman here. Always gets bites, always reels in the big 'uns. But to land a wise ol' whopper like Jim B... that's a trophy for your wall, Kieran! Congrats!

As to Jarrad, best of luck to the lad. Stay healthy, listen to Tony Mowbray -- you couldn't ask for a better teacher -- and come back ready to be a star!

Phill Thompson
14 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:04:52
Kieran, what’s “ Yellow Pages” ? I guess I’m just too young to get it.
A super move for young Jarrad though, at 18 he’s got all the attributes you’d expect of an upcoming centre back, got height at 6 foot 4 ish, physique to match, has pace, is strong with both feet, calm under pressure and able to play the ball out from the back. He’s lacking experience and being put under pressure by fast, strong attackers, so this loan will hopefully get him the experience.
Danny O’Neill
15 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:26:43
Didn't see enough of him to be concerned about him going out on loan.

Clearly isn't going to challenge the 4 we have in place for the 2 positions right now, so this makes sense.

Hopefully it works for the individual, be that to give him a better chance at Everton when he comes back or to forge a career in the game elsewhere.

Good luck young man.

Derek Knox
16 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:31:16
Kieran, should have let your fingers do the walking, or as Bob Hoskins used to say it's good to walk (Talk). 😜
Brian Wilkinson
17 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:32:58
Can we call you Mr Hartley now then Kieran :-)
Mike Gaynes
18 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:36:33
BTW, this is an ideal situation for Branthwaite to get playing time as well. Rovers are desperate for centre-backs -- starters Wharton and Williams are both out for the season and recent signee Daniel Ayala (from Boro) just went down injured as well. So Jarrad should walk right into the starting 11.
Tommy Carter
19 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:41:43
Good luck to the young man. Hope he gets game time and avoids injury. Best scenario is for him to be playing games.
Kieran Kinsella
20 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:43:09
Brian

I'll take it, I've been called much worse on here lol

Kunal Desai
21 Posted 14/01/2021 at 20:47:08
Branthwaite and Godfrey. Future Everton CB pairing.

He needs to get game time, won't be going anywhere on a permanent basis.

Bobby Mallon
22 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:08:25
Kieran, you made me chuckle.
Brian Wilkinson
23 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:09:13
Phil @14, before the internet search engine, we had Yellow Pages to find certain things, fly fishing books being one of them.
Robert Tressell
24 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:17:08
Mike @ 18, good points - but I'd be confident he'd walk into the first 11 anyway. I thought he was magnificent in the first team for us last season. Tony Mowbray is probably a good guy to learn from, playing out from the back. They also had Adarabioyo last season and did a good job getting him premier league ready. Saw him play for Fulham last night against Spurs and thought he did well. Branthwaite is another level though.
Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:30:06
Robert #24, yep, thus my previous comment about Mowbray being a great teacher. Clearly he helped Adarabioyo, whose career was going nowhere despite all the hype at City.

Not all managers are eager to give a teenager a chance, but Mowbray will, and Jarrad will benefit. And maybe help Rovers, which scores goals by the bucket, challenge for the playoffs.

Hugh Jenkins
26 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:39:38
All this talk of 4 centre backs and Jarrad – we all seem to be overlooking the other "Very Promising" left-footed centre-half we currently have out on loan at Reading.

Anyone have any news on Gibson's progress?

Peter Mills
27 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:52:48
Excellent move. Look forward to seeing the lad next season.
Robert Tressell
28 Posted 14/01/2021 at 21:55:42
Hugh, unfortunately Gibson was struggling to get into the team at Reading and then got injured. I think he's out for a fair bit yet. Suspect he'll be released for a modest fee and have to build his career back up. Shame for him. Would probably have done better if he'd just stayed at Newcastle.
Hugh Jenkins
29 Posted 14/01/2021 at 22:24:35
Robert (28).

Thanks for the update.

That is sad news.

Fran Mitchell
30 Posted 14/01/2021 at 22:30:02
Blackburn seem to be doing well, so a good move (should the football continue). A Playoff battle is on the cards if they put a run together so there will be huge motivation to play well and improve.

He's very young, so expect another loan next season too.

We are well stocked at centre-half, all of Holgate, Mina, Keane and Godfrey are excellent players and none are old. So, should Branthwaite break into the team (be good enough to), it would mean selling one of them, which wouldn't be a bad thing as it'd mean £30+ million in transfer fees.

But as it stands, Mina and Keane is as good as you'll get in the Premier League.

Frank Wolfe
31 Posted 14/01/2021 at 23:13:04
Good move for all.

If only we had the same competition for centre-forward!

Tom Harvey
32 Posted 14/01/2021 at 23:29:57
I liked very much the little I did see of this lad and yes, he's doing the right thing by going on loan, it shows confidence and bravery.

We have a good future with Branthwaite, Godfrey and Holgate all young and yet to reach their peaks.

Justin Doone
33 Posted 15/01/2021 at 00:23:35
For the club, a good sensible loan. For the player, a good opportunity to play and develop at a high level.

I hope he stays injury-free and enjoys his loan. However, when such good young prospects fail to establish themselves at their parent club, they will quickly want to make a permanent move. To prevent his early sale (because I rate him as a John Terry class defender), he needs to be given opportunity's at Everton next season.

Keane and Mina at sub-28 are both young for a senior first-choice centre back pairing. Perhaps coming to their peak ages. Both good Premier League players with similar qualities, good in the air, can block and can pass given time on the ball. Sadly both slow off the mark, not great tacklers and often have headless moments in rushing out of position.

I'm happy with our current form and playing deep to suit the players, but, ideally one needs to be sold and a better, faster centre-back partner brought in, ie, Godfrey.

Holgate and Branthwaite then put pressure on the remaining Keane or Mina and, over a season (with European football), plenty of games to be played for all.

David Pearl
34 Posted 15/01/2021 at 00:47:14
I'm not expecting him or Gibson to be part of the first-team squad over the next couple of years so I hope they will be signing improved contracts and be happy to go out on loan during that time.

Now please find Gordon a loan so he can progress properly... yer know, by playing football.

Si Cooper
35 Posted 15/01/2021 at 01:42:41
I only hope him not being prominent at Finch Farm won't ease the pressure on others to maintain their standards. I'm of the opposite opinion to Danny at (15). From what I've seen of the lad, it is to the credit of the older central defenders that they have enabled the club to arrange this loan without it looking like we may be hamstringing ourselves.

Robert (28), that seems a bleak prediction for Gibson. I'd been under the impression that he had probably a couple of seasons to make the breakthrough having been somewhat ahead of the curve. You are sure his loan spell at Reading was of the ‘last chance saloon' variety?

Martin Berry
36 Posted 15/01/2021 at 08:40:03
Lets hope he actually gets playing time at Blackburn, it may not be the last time he is loaned out either to gain experience.
A tremendous prospect and I am looking forward to seeing him progress.
Jerome Shields
37 Posted 14/01/2021 at 09:31:29
This is probably a good move for Branthwaite giving him playing time. Hopefully he will do well and good luck to him.
Phill Thompson
38 Posted 15/01/2021 at 09:42:08
Brian #23, haha, I'm not quite up to Kieran's quality on fishing but I'll take that as a wee catch – I'm lucky to be old enough to remember the League winning teams of 62-63 and my hero remains the Golden Vision. Sadly I often forget what I had for breakfast but, on a positive note, I end up with two breakfasts ;-)
James Fletcher
39 Posted 15/01/2021 at 09:49:41
According to my Blackburn-supporting mate he will pretty much go straight into the first team – good news all round.
John Tierney
40 Posted 15/01/2021 at 09:58:38
Haha Kieran I didn’t think anyone would ‘bite’ at that one!

And the Fly Fishing, JR Hartley/yellow pages references all gave me a little warm nostalgic smile too.

Phill Two Brekkies Thompson, lovely stuff!

We look like we’re in a good place center half wise and this looks like a good move for Young Branthwaite. I agree with others, let’s get Gordon a good loan berth too, if it could have half the benefit of when Coleman went out we’ll be laughing.

Phill Thompson
41 Posted 15/01/2021 at 10:46:16
Yes, it looks like he will be straight into the team for Blackburn v Stoke tomorrow 3pm and it's being streamed by them. Long run in the morning, watch Jarrad in the afternoon – sounds like a good plan!
Tony Everan
42 Posted 15/01/2021 at 10:58:43
Phill 41, It does sound like a plan, though I may substitute the first bit for a bacon and tomato butty.
Robert Tressell
43 Posted 15/01/2021 at 14:27:55
Si @ 35, we could keep Gibson on the books for a couple more years yet, loaning him out for experience. Then he'd be 22. He's only played 4 times this season before injury though, so his level is not quite mid-table Championship yet. Given Branthwaite is younger and Godfrey only a bit older, I expect he might try to get a move.

If he blossoms a bit later so be it. We can move on to other prospects.

Phill Thompson
44 Posted 15/01/2021 at 15:21:05
Tony, just checked COVID rules, I’m allowed to start and finish my run from the Bacon Buttie van down at the beach near me ;-)
Darren Hind
45 Posted 15/01/2021 at 16:08:21
Not sure.

Talk that Davide is working relentlessly with the first team to make the unit "more solid" has been supported by recently released footage. I would like to see Jarrad involved in all of this.

The thing is; Virtually every club is training in bubbles within bubbles to keep numbers down. It could be that Jarrad has been training with the juniors since his injury problems and is therefore not part of the first team's "collective effort" at this moment in time.

We may have four centre-halves but, if recent weeks have shown us anything, it's that you are only a couple of injuries away from putting square pegs in round holes.

I'd have kept him here but, if he comes back all the better for first-team experience, I won't be complaining.

Tony Hill
46 Posted 15/01/2021 at 16:28:37
Interesting that Ancelotti expects him to be around the first team squad fairly regularly next season - according to Mowbray.

I think this lad is class and we are going to be formidable defensively. Get in Aarons in the summer; I think Godfrey will swing that for us.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
47 Posted 15/01/2021 at 17:50:22
https://youtu.be/r2TilNclT8k

For those of you too young.

Brent Stephens
48 Posted 15/01/2021 at 18:15:16
Phill #44 "just checked COVID rules, I’m allowed to start and finish my run from the Bacon Buttie van down at the beach near me"

How many laps of the van do you do?

Peter Mills
49 Posted 15/01/2021 at 20:03:20
According to quotes, Branthwaite has been pushing hard to get this loan organised, to gain more experience.

It speaks volumes about the lad.

Lee Courtliff
50 Posted 15/01/2021 at 22:40:43
I've got a mate who's a Blackburn fan and I've told him to keep me informed on this lad.

He looks very, very promising.

Derek Knox
51 Posted 16/01/2021 at 08:01:18
Lee, today's game against Stoke, doesn't appear to be televised on any media channels so I would imagine your mate will only be able to get it on local radio. However, it would be appreciated if you can relay Jarrad's progress to us here on TW. I think he has made an impression on most of us, in the brief appearances he has made so far.
Phill Thompson
52 Posted 16/01/2021 at 09:17:38
Brent #48, blowing a hooligan at the moment, may just run on the sheltered side of the van and not do a lap :-)
Derek, if you look on the Blackburn site there’s a link to a stream for the match. I’m presuming it’ll be pay per view but I’m looking to watch Jarrad and I’ll put something on here.
David Hayes
53 Posted 16/01/2021 at 09:25:48
Can anyone please explain How does playing at a lower level in the mid table of the Championship improve a prem level player? What improves a player is playing and training with better players and learning a higher level If the player has the capacity. What clearly doesn't work is going on loan to a lower level and becoming a better prem player as a result. How many talented Everton prospects have done this and returned at above average prem level?. The list of young loaned out talent is endless where are they now? What does work is finding players playing above their current level and stepping them up, ie Godfrey, Holgate, Stones, and many others if not retained then sold on for a heavy profit, to a cash rich mega level, Lukaku comes to mind. Loan them out to prem clubs if possible or if not keep them if they can improve in the set up U 23 if they can't maintain first team squad level sell them on to their attained level.
Eddie Dunn
54 Posted 16/01/2021 at 09:31:55
David, perhaps this need to loan out our youngsters says more about the lack of competition at under 23 level. The old Central League had a real edge and the reserves took pride in trying to win it. Proper games in the Championship with committment do much more than meaningless run-outs in Southport.
Robert Tressell
55 Posted 16/01/2021 at 10:28:20
David / Eddie - U23s football is not a great concept. Branthwaite has only just turned 18 and is too good for that standard. He will stagnate with more games at that level. Players improve by rising to greater challenges.

The championship will be a greater challenge - playing against wily pros like Troy Deeney and Teemu Pukki.

It was the place where Abraham, Mount, Tomori and James of Chelsea developed and earned their right to a first team spot at Chelsea.

I also feel we should be sending players overseas on loan (or at least Scotland). Technical players like Dowell and Kissock may have developed better in the Eredivisie for example. Anthony Evans looked promising in the Bundesliga and may yet build a decent career there.

The fact few have come back first team ready after loans is a result of the player's own limitations. Ledson, Lundstram, Dowell, Feeney etc were not good enough. Robinson is, and proved that while at Wigan - not in the U23s.

Once a player is comfortable at U23s then they need a new challenge or a spot in the first team squad. Gordon & Simms don't need more U23s, they need a loan.

David Hayes
56 Posted 16/01/2021 at 11:03:49
Robert#55. The gap between U23 and first team being too great, then surely other prem teams ( the perennial strugglers ) or abroad in top but not so high intensity leagues is closer to the standard to be able to progress than the standard of mid table Championship teams. The dream and motivation of young players having made the Prem first team is shattered and confidence fades. Playing in a top league here or abroad maintains Thier status of belief, if they have what it takes they will drive on. If not it's not going to happen anyway. It's a percentage game after all personal status in today's game is massively important to today's young players and having had a taste of it to be dropped down if you believe you have the talent and have been there breaks the spirit unless they have truly exceptional determination
Tony Everan
57 Posted 16/01/2021 at 11:20:52
I think Carlo wants young players to really earn their right to play for the first team, he doesn’t want the unprepared or gullible running out for Premier League matches. I think he is cautious and ultra demanding.

We’ve seen with Moise Kean, Nkounkou and Gordon even our exceptional talent was/is finding it hard to break in. Ancelotti knows that any weakness is ruthlessly exploited and has a reluctance to use the PL as a initiation exercise. He will want to see concrete proof they are ready on the training ground or by successful loans and dedication. He will want continuing improvement.

As we are getting a team together to challenge for the top 4 positions it’s going to get even harder for the kids to get a proper run in the team. The clubs motto really will apply. Only the very best will be good enough.

At the moment I would bet good money that Nkounkou and Branthwaite will be regular first team players for us. Gordon has an excellent chance too.

Derek Knox
58 Posted 16/01/2021 at 11:36:43
Phill @ 52, Thanks mate, I have IPTV and can get most games normally, but nothing is listed today for the Championship, or indeed below, only the Premiership. I shall check out the link through the Blackburn site but won't be paying a sub should there be one.

As far as your Bacon Buttie Van Training regime is going, you could do a Streaky, round the Middle, and then Back, but no Smoking allowed. Gammon, you know it makes sense. :-)

Thomas Richards
59 Posted 16/01/2021 at 11:44:36
Ancelotti has asked that more ex-players are involved in coaching the varying age groups in the youth set-up.

I am all for that.

Robert Tressell
60 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:00:07
David @ 56, Premier League strugglers can't take a risk on centre half that's only just turned 18. The stakes are far too high. Most loans between Premier League teams (and there are very few) are more established players who can't get a game, like Loftus-Cheek & Barkley.

Mid-table Championship has been very good for the Chelsea lot – most of whom are now internationals. It ended up being where Grealish matured too. Adarabioyo matured at Blackburn last season and is now a Premier League centre-half. So it's not at all a bad place for our youngsters.

The foreign leagues might be a better place to learn more technical, tactical football – and to grow up a bit too. I'd like us to get a regular partnership going for that purpose.

David Hayes
61 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:07:39
Totally off topic. But when me and some friends had a few pints, we used to try and think up a food-related (loosely) 11 from current and past players, eg, Patrick Berger, Loftus Ox Cheek, Brian Kiddney etc.
Fran Mitchell
62 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:22:10
Championship is definitely a place where players can develop – better playing in the Championship than playing for a Premier League team that gets wholloped every game.

Jack Grealish, Mason Mount, Ollie Watkins, James Maddison, Reece James, Tammy Abraham are all players who benefitted greatly from spells in the Championship.

It doesn't happen every time of course, mainly because becoming a solid Premier League player is very difficult.

I do feel if Davies had gone on loan when he was 18/19 he'd probably have benefitted more than he did being in and out of a dysfunctional Everton team.

Trevor Powell
63 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:29:11
David at 61, this is my list.

Tim Cauliflowers [ex-England GK],
Andy Carrot [ex-RS Donkey],
John Scones [Citteh],
Harry Sugarkane [Spuds],
Our own Dominic Calvados Lewin,
Domingo Quinoa and Ismaïla Sarrdine [Watford]
Dennis Praetzel [Leicester]

David Hayes
64 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:34:37
Trevor#63 a tasty line up indeed thanks, made me smile. Anymore folks.
Danny O’Neill
65 Posted 16/01/2021 at 12:51:18
David Hayes @53. Catch-22 situation. I see your point, but the counter to that is they are not playing competitive first-team football.

On loan in the Championship may see them train with lesser players, but they get competitive football and there is no substitute for that in a player's development.

Brent Stephens
66 Posted 16/01/2021 at 13:33:49
Subs:
Phillip Roast Lahm
Joao Muttonho
Frank Spare Ribery
Nicky Halibutt
Lionel Messi Eater
Joe Heart
Chocolate Mousse Dembele
Sergio Biscuits
John Terry After Eights
Marcus Reusling (to wash it all down)

Neymar I'm Full!

Derek Knox
67 Posted 16/01/2021 at 13:47:10
Well done Brent!

Or was it Medium Rare? :-)

Brent Stephens
68 Posted 16/01/2021 at 13:50:14
Tartare very much, Derek.
Ajay Gopal
69 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:06:41
I like the idea of developing Jarred at Blackburn - he clearly has great ability and acquitted himself admirably last season when he was called upon. We have an excellent CB quartet and it would be premature to write off Lewis Gibson, who suffered an injury at Reading, but is expected to be back by the end of January. As well as Mina has improved and is forming an impressive partnership with Keane, if he continues to impress, he could become one of our most saleable assets in the summer. With Holgate, Godfrey and hopefully at least one of Jarred/Gibson to hit the heights expected of them, we are well stocked in this area. By selling Mina, we could get the funds necessary to procure a potential world class right back or forward in the summer which would really improve us.
Derek Knox
70 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:11:55
Brent @ 68, You're whalecome!
Thomas Richards
71 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:14:59
Hes in the starting eleven
Tony Everan
72 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:16:16
Derek, Brent. breakfast?

Jarrad Branflakes, followed by a Barry Fryup.

Danny O’Neill
73 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:20:00
I don't think I'd be wanting to sell Mina just as he's starting to show what I anticipated we were getting when we signed him Ajay.

Also, only 26 himself, so about to hit the age where a centre back peaks. Would rather his best years were in an Everton shirt.

Robert Williams
74 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:32:05
OFF TOPIC

I hear that WBA supporters are doing the Samba in the streets - we missed out big time there, really miss his style of flowing football.

Brent Stephens
75 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:35:04
Tony, I'll need something to drink with that.
Thomas Richards
76 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:37:04
We bet Wolves in midweek
WBA beat Wolves today.

That puts Allardyce on a par with Carlo. :-)

Derek Knox
77 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:42:07
Tony @ 72, you may need Uriah Rennies, after that lot.
Brian Murray
78 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:47:53
Frank mackerel vennie never made bench ?
Brian Murray
79 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:52:38
Derek. Would never get clothes to fit after all that unless one size fits hall
Tony Everan
80 Posted 16/01/2021 at 14:55:24
The win could make it more likely they will sanction a move for Tosun. Backing Big Sam could keep them in the Premier league.
Phill Thompson
81 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:15:13
You guys are so pickle, nobody asked me about my bacon buttie adventure, run done but not a van in sight :-(.

Meanwhile, Blackburn 0-0, Jarrad has been calm, composed, great sliding tackle there, 3 touches in first 10 mins all looking good.

Derek Knox
82 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:17:09
I see Jarrad has gone straight in to the Blackburn starting eleven, wearing number 30, would like to see how he gets on.

Brian, unless they were wearing an Unsie, or Unsiepants! :-)

Phill Thompson
83 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:24:48
20 mins gone still 0-0, Branthwaite has settled in very well. He’s not had a great deal to do but looking very composed.
Blackburn also have the young RS Harvey Elliott playing on loan, only 17 not bad.
Phill Thompson
84 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:27:05
Good counter attack from Rovers but goal disallowed
Phill Thompson
85 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:28:52
Jarrad sorting out the ball breaking up an attack and moving the ball forward 26 min 0-0
Phill Thompson
86 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:31:24
Looks secure, looks relaxed says commentator
Danny O’Neill
87 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:32:57
Funny how a phrase can generate uncomfortable images in the mind Derek.

I'm wondering what size Unsiepants are these days.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

88 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:34:42
Link for those interested in watching the game. Just close all the ad tabs that open up until you can view the game.

Blavkburn v Stoke

Tony Hill
89 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:38:59
Thanks, Jay, very helpful. Even I can manage that.
Phill Thompson
90 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:41:51
Stoke 1-0 header from a corner. Poor marking, Jarrad at back marking Stokes big CB so not involved.
Andrew Clare
91 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:45:28
Ajay,
We should definitely not sell Yerry. He is now showing us what a player he is. We do not want to break up our defence.
Phill Thompson
92 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:53:57
Half time 0-1. Stoke having best chances.
Branthwaite is playing alongside an experienced CB Darragh Lenihan, captain and Ireland international, someone to learn from.
He’s continued in very much the languid, composed style as when he’s played for us. He’s got a long, loping stride which eats up the ground and he’s deceptively fast. He’s also been pointing and shouting right from the start, certainly not overawed as you’d expect.
Carlisle have suggested he’s actually right footed but comfortable with both feet and he made one right footed volleyed clearance looking very comfortable.
Tony Everan
93 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:55:39
Danny
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Jay Wood
[BRZ]

94 Posted 16/01/2021 at 15:58:35
This is the first Championship game I've viewed all season and other than looking at the league tables I've no idea how any team is playing.

But on that first half, Blackburn were a very poor second to Stoke who could be 2 or 3 to the good.

Branthwaite doing OK considering he will have had no time getting to know his team mates or set up. Stoke have a mammoth Orc at centre back who comes up for corners and Branthwaite is delegated to mark him. The Orc is literally head and shoulders taller than Jarrad (who isn't short!), but he hasn't got the jump on him.

Stoke's goal from a corner not attributable to Jarrad. Not great fare, TBH.

Len Hawkins
95 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:00:34
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Dennis Stevens
96 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:01:14
Ta, Jay - that's a link that's within my limited technical capabilities!
Brent Stephens
97 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:14:44
Thanks for the link, Jay. Good man.
Phill Thompson
98 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:44:23
Not a great game but this is a decent test for Branthwaite and so far he’s doing well. 1-1 Stoke down to 10 men
Rob Dolby
99 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:44:24
Thanks for the link Jay.

I watched the first 20 mins of the 2nd half. Pretty poor fair from both sides. Commentator did say Branthwaite is the brightest spark for Rovers.

It will be successful loan for him as Mowbray and Lowe are good football people and will hopefully develope his game. There is no place to hide in the championship it's a tough old league.

Phill Thompson
100 Posted 16/01/2021 at 16:58:35
Well that’s as good as we could have expected from Branthwaite. Nice composed performance, hardly put a foot wrong, a couple of times Lenihan came over and went for the same ball, maybe he’s still checking Jarrad out. I think he’s going to be very comfortable at this level, one of the better of a poor Blackburn team overall.
Tony Everan
101 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:00:42
Thanks for posting the link, Jay. Jarrad looked in control and definitely not overawed. He's a pretty cool customer for an 18-year-old.
Tony Hill
102 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:04:20
Agreed, Phill @100. I enjoyed the last 20 minutes or so when Blackburn started to press. Branthwaite didn't have much chance to shine and there were a couple of wobbly moments from what I saw but the Blackburn commentators seemed pleased with him.

You just need to look at the way Jarrad moves and carries himself to know he's a player and this loan will serve him very well.

We have started with our defence and we will be building throughout the team over time.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

103 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:05:11
I should imagine the Rovers fans are thinking 'we've got a gud 'un here' after that performance.

I saw one 'error' from Jarrad all game, when early in the 2nd half he stood on the ball as he was carrying it forward and the Stoke player picked up the loose ball. Jarrad got back and got in a good recovery tackle I thought, but the ref gave a free-kick which came to nothing.

18 years old, let's not forget. Zero settling-in time with his new team and he was obviously leading out on the pitch, pointing and instructing to teammates where to move and pass to.

He has great game awareness of his own position and of those around him. I like how tight he gets to his player without clattering into them and giving away cheap fouls. His speed of foot and thought married to good technique and heading ability.

The Rovers' club commentators praised him a number of times.

He really does have a chance, this fellah.

Tony Hill
104 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:18:04
Yes, 18 years of age. People criticise Brands sometimes and I understand why, but to pick up this kid and Godfrey has been excellent business within the last year or so – the type of astute buys that we need and which will help to turn us into the Atletico Madrid model that so many of us have wanted.
Tony Hill
105 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:21:39
Though, eventually, I want more flair than Atletico Madrid!
Robert Tressell
106 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:31:59
Tony, too right. Long-term success can be built on Branthwaite & Godfrey type signings, with a sprinkling of more exotic flair.
Jason Li
107 Posted 16/01/2021 at 17:46:50
Agreed Tony. The only terrible Brands signing is Delph, and that was due to injury really as his first few games had him in the frame to return to the England squad at the time. Otherwise, we've got so many players he's bought under 25 who have increased substantially in market value, and have a higher ceiling to be better footballers.

At this rate, in 2 years, if Brands keeps bringing in 2 or 3 quality young players in annually with 1 academy player coming through, we will be substantially better off financially.

Digne, Kean, Iwobi, Branthwaite, Godfrey, Gordon, Nkounkou and so on. They've all got better, and are all worth more.

Paul A Smith
108 Posted 16/01/2021 at 18:29:30
Coming from those of you that watched the game it sounds like he done okay today.

Although it was clear he needs loads of experience I liked what I saw when he played in the first team last season.

This move should be good for him. Local and good competitive games at a decent level.

Danny O’Neill
109 Posted 16/01/2021 at 18:32:55
Good to hear the young man had a good debut for Blackburn. Hopefully this can help develop the clear potential.

What I'm liking about the current batch of defenders we have is their ability to get ahead of the game and anticipate danger. That has become no more evident than in Michael Keane, who had a real issue in that area.

I know we all love a good 50-50 tackle to get the heckles up, but to quote the great Paulo Maldini, one of the finest centre backs I've witnessed: "If I have to make a tackle, I have already made a mistake".

Talking of tackles and defenders, I see our ex-Acadmey player and US international Antonee Robinson has just seen red for Fulham against Chelsea.

David Hayes
111 Posted 16/01/2021 at 20:14:43
Terry Yoghurt and our own Bill Kenwood.
David Hayes
112 Posted 16/01/2021 at 20:21:28
Last one, curropt shite ref Mark Battenburg.
Tony Abrahams
113 Posted 16/01/2021 at 20:28:00
I hate quotes like that one Danny. I agree that Maldini was one of the greats, but it sounds very false hearing talk like this imo, especially because football is a game of mistakes, and you can never legislate for everyone.
David Hayes
114 Posted 16/01/2021 at 20:29:21
Gareth Bailey's. Sorry.
Danny O’Neill
115 Posted 16/01/2021 at 20:30:40
I like them, Tony, but I get what you're saying. Every player makes a mistake and we all have to make tackles.

I used it to reiterate the good work our defenders have been doing of late to mostly get ahead of the game in anticipating and reading the game.

I do love a good quote mind! That one is also very Italian!

Tony Abrahams
116 Posted 16/01/2021 at 21:11:19
Fair point, Danny, but how much easier must it be for defenders, when a team defends from the front, which also used to be a great Italian trait!
Peter Mills
117 Posted 16/01/2021 at 21:14:19
Tony#113, I think you are not quite getting that quote. To me, Maldini is acknowledging that he would make a mistake, but then have to waste energy rectifying it with a tackle.

I only saw him once live, in the Champions League final 2003 at Old Trafford. It was labelled “the most boring game ever”. I loved every minute, watching him and Nesta simply stepping in to cut out a pass half a second before it reached a Juventus forward.

Milan had a good manager too. Best wishes to you and Dave.

Darren Hind
118 Posted 16/01/2021 at 21:34:51
Maldini is one of the all time greats. He is absolutely on the money about having to make tackles.

I cringe when I see people put up stats of Everton players making the most tackles when their creative game is virtually non existent

Robert Tressell
119 Posted 16/01/2021 at 21:59:46
I remember watching a Fiorentina v AC game where Kanchelskis was up against Maldini. He looked so ordinary, I was a bit gutted. Branthwaite has a long way to go to get to that standard. But I thought he looked a lot like DeLigt in his few appearances last season. Really classy, commanding and athletic.
Tony Everan
120 Posted 16/01/2021 at 22:01:22
Maldini one of the best ever. I was reading about him, naturally right footed, started at RB, then was moved to LB and could play anywhere along the back line. Sounds like our Ben Godfrey is following the same career path.

The article tells all about Maldini’s glittering career, then says after he retired he qualified to play in a professional tennis tournament in Italy at the age of 49.

Mike Gaynes
121 Posted 16/01/2021 at 22:04:37
Robert, you're saying he looked DeLigtful?

Or you were DeLigted by his performance?

Thomas Richards
122 Posted 16/01/2021 at 22:13:24
AC Milan had a lot of ball possesion in each game they played in Serie A. Allied to the opposition sitting deep and playing with a lone foward means tackles would not be the biggest part of Maldini's game. No need for them.

Maldini jockeyed the forward, if he got away from Maldini, one of the best sweepers the world has seen was on the cover.

Maldini would have done plenty of tackling if he played in the English league.

Robert Tressell
123 Posted 16/01/2021 at 22:30:51
Bit of both, Mike.

As regards the tackling, the 90s Serie A sides were more than capable. There's some good showreels of Baresi doing just that – and Cannovaro and (my fave) Paolo Montero could really meter out the violence too. I loved that era of Italian football. Ruthless and artistic at the same time.

Carl Manning
125 Posted 16/01/2021 at 22:48:48
Why would anybody aim to be like Atletico Madrid who win a trophy every 10 years?

And it's not their policy with players. They generally sell all their best players. Hold on, sounds like us already!

Danny O’Neill
126 Posted 16/01/2021 at 23:22:06
Tony; defending from the front absolutely. Attack is the best form of defence as they say. It takes the pressure off the defence and allows them to be more proactive rather than reactive. I think we've done that more this season and the midfield fix we applied is definitely providing that protection that the beleaguered defence hasn't had in recent times.

Darren, you hit on a similar thing to Tony; if there is creativity and protection in front of the defence by the midfield, they are less likely to be on the back foot and can actually look calmer and composed, just as they have done in recent games.

Tony Everan; if young Godfrey can become half the player Maldini was, we have a star on our books. What I'm seeing so far is delightful and that is watching him play in any position across the back 4. Our midfield acquisitions stole the headlines but Ben could be one of the steals of recent times. And a leader in the making too.

Don Alexander
127 Posted 16/01/2021 at 23:23:34
Tony (#120) that'll have been for the Cosa Nostra Open I assume.
Thomas Richards
128 Posted 16/01/2021 at 23:42:32
Danny,

Definitely captain material. You can see the winners attitude in him.

On Godfrey achieving half as good as Maldini status, I would settle for 25%. Him and Lillian Thuram are my all-time European favourites.

Terry White
129 Posted 17/01/2021 at 03:31:49
While I am happy to join in the praise for Godfrey from what I have seen of him so far, I do wish he would learn to kick the ball and tackle with his left foot, especially if he is to spend more games playing on the left side of the team. He reminds me in that way of Cuco Martina, both helping the team out by playing out-of-position but ill-suited for that position because of that limitation.
Martin Berry
130 Posted 17/01/2021 at 08:47:31
I hope the young man has a really enjoyable experience at Blackburn, the next few weeks when he settles will be interesting.

As for Maldini yes he was very good, but not that good all the time. I remember him having a torrid time against Chris Waddle when Waddle played for Marseilles in the European Cup. Waddle skinned him time and time again and Maldini reverted to hacking him at any opportunity.

I am just saying every player can have a bad day.

Peter Mills
131 Posted 17/01/2021 at 09:54:39
Terence #129,

Ben Godfrey and Cuco Martina in the same sentence?

Thomas Richards
132 Posted 17/01/2021 at 10:19:41
Martin,

Maldini's bad days could be counted on the thumbs of one hand. You are right though: every player comes across a player he can't handle.

Loved Maldini but that was tested in 2005. 3-0 up at half-time and, as they kicked off the second half, I'm thinking "No way can they get this back against that defence."

First minute of the second half, Maldini intercepts a pass, throws a dummy, then backheeled it to his mate. Totally out of character.

Believe me or don't, I knew Milan were in trouble when I saw that.

Derek Knox
133 Posted 17/01/2021 at 13:52:57
Peter @131,

Exactly! Apart from the obvious human characteristics, the only thing they had in common was that they were asked to play out of their normal position. Cocu Martina was slightly better as a useless left-back than he was as a right-back; Godfrey has been a revelation.

Dave Williams
134 Posted 18/01/2021 at 09:45:16
Terry #129,

Fair point but remember the great Pat van den Hauwe was a right-footed left-back though, for me, he was a world-class centre-half. I think Ben will play centre-back and cash will be raised in the summer by selling one of Mina, Keane or Holgate (hopefully not Holgate).

Tony Abrahams
135 Posted 18/01/2021 at 10:08:03
Fair enough Peter@117, but I’d have to see the whole quote before I agree with you though mate!

Thanks for asking how me and Dave are Peter, fed up like everyone else I suppose, but hopefully things will start to change soon, and I’ve even seen that Andy, is organising another get-together at the Excellsior, so maybe you can show me the whole of Maldini’s quote then!!

Tony Waring
136 Posted 18/01/2021 at 12:07:53
For my money, Maldini was the best left-back of all time. On the subject of one-footers, nothing is more annoying than attacks fizzling out simply because players won't use their "lesser" foot. Luke Shaw and Ben Chilwell are prime examples. The whole attack breaks down time after time.
Joe McMahon
137 Posted 18/01/2021 at 13:19:18
Tony @136 what about Roberto Carlos? He won it all.
Terry White
138 Posted 18/01/2021 at 14:42:43
Actually, Peter (#131), they were not mentioned in the same sentence. Bar the absence of a left foot except to stand on, there is little similarity between Cuco and Ben although I will always say that the much-maligned Cuco did his best playing often out of position.
Don Alexander
139 Posted 18/01/2021 at 15:51:29
When it comes to world class left-backs, one who immediately comes to mind is the late Tommy Gemmell of Celtic.

In 1967, he was voted in France as one of the best players in Europe, and he was right-footed! He was the first marauding full-back I ever saw, was a murderously hard man (being a Protestant playing for Celtic probably accounts for that), and really liked a bevvy. He's also one of only three footballers to score in two different European Cup finals.

Lastly, him deservedly booting the snide West German centre-forward Helmut Haller up the arse in an international was comedy gold;

https://youtu.be/xM4ydShTw54

Peter Mills
140 Posted 18/01/2021 at 17:35:29
Thanks for that, Don #139, what a great clip.

The YouTube items showing interviews with Celtic players talking about their games against Racing Club for the “World Championship” of 1967 are well worth looking up, some brilliant stories and film archive.

Danny O’Neill
141 Posted 18/01/2021 at 22:07:08
On the original subject of the benefits of going on loan, very interesting to hear the much lauded Emile Smith-Rowe interviewed after the Arsenal v Newcastle match.

He talks of the benefits of playing abroad and in the Championship on loan which has been hugely beneficial to his development.

Jerome Shields
142 Posted 20/01/2021 at 06:26:14
Robert #28,

Thank you for the update on Gibson, sad news.

Roger Helm
143 Posted 23/01/2021 at 15:54:14
Danny, Brian Clough was of the same opinion, reportedly. He judged defenders by their shorts - clean shorts meant they were able to stay on their feet, and football is played with the feet, not the arse.

I think it is only English youngsters who pride themselves on their tackling - Europeans see tackling as a last resort, a failure of anticipation and game-reading.

Dave Abrahams
144 Posted 23/01/2021 at 16:15:59
Roger (143), the best centre half I ever saw, from long, long ago, T G Jones, played on the muddiest pitches you would ever see and came off the field with shorts as spotless as when the game started. Awareness and anticipation added to wonderful ball control and passing ability made for a superb footballer,all seen through the eyes of a very young boy, never forgotten his performances, he could have played in any era of football and stood out.
Craig James
145 Posted 24/01/2021 at 15:30:06
Just switched on boro vs Blackburn to watch Branthwaite see how he is developing and he was lucky not to give away a clear pen imo, bit naive but that is why he's out on loan to make mistakes and more importantly learn from them along with getting game time.

Apart from that incident he is looking confident, passing out from the back very good and doesn't look out of place against a decent striker in asombolonga alas awareness of whos around him at times is a clear area of improvement..

Hopefully this loan will be the making of him as I feel we have a top class player in the making 🤞

Phill Thompson
146 Posted 24/01/2021 at 15:57:08
It’s good ( in some ways) seeing Branthwaite getting a hard time against Boro, making mistakes, lucky not to give away a penalty. But he’s sticking in there and these are just the kind of games he needs, he’s far from the finished article and he’ll learn a lot from this.
Brent Stephens
147 Posted 24/01/2021 at 15:59:16
That's a shocking raised boot by Branthwaite! Lucky lad.
Phill Thompson
148 Posted 24/01/2021 at 16:36:30
Brent, lucky indeed, could have been season changing - red card, 3 match ban, Blackburn settle without him, hard to get back.
He had a poor first 20 mins but he’s settled down 2nd half and playing well, good on him.
Brent Stephens
149 Posted 24/01/2021 at 16:39:45
Yes, Phill, that's maybe a good sign - that a poor start doesn't put him off. Didn't we see that when he first came on for our first team - i.e. early mistakes followed by a more reassuring and confident performance? Mature beyond his years,
Allen Rodgers
150 Posted 24/01/2021 at 16:57:09
Branthwaite isn't shy is he ? A Boro player was giving him a bit of stick and he gave plenty back ! Going to be a good player IMO.
Brent Stephens
151 Posted 24/01/2021 at 17:25:26
Allen, wasn't that Neil Warnock having a go at him? In which case I'm even more made up that Branthwaite wanted to "present his own version of events".
Tony Hill
152 Posted 30/01/2021 at 17:09:02
Anyone know how our boy did today? Good 1-0 win for Rovers.
Phill Thompson
153 Posted 30/01/2021 at 19:19:34
Tony, he played well according to reports, lots of his usual composed stuff and strong tackling. Given 8 out of 10 in one report and MOTM in another. After our performance couldn’t bring myself to watch it. Nice to see Jarrad continuing his good performances.

James Nalton

@JDNalton

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2h

Jarrad Branthwaite named Man of the Match in Blackburn #Rovers 1-0 win against Luton Town.

Brent Stephens
154 Posted 30/01/2021 at 19:26:22
Can't see any mention of Ellis Simms in Blackpool's last line-up or bench? Was our great hope injured?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

155 Posted 30/01/2021 at 19:36:20
Brent, I think you'll find the Blackpool game was called off. They didn't play today. Dunno the reasons why

About to settle down and watch an all-Brazlian Libertadores final, Palmeiras (Mina's old team) v Santos (Pele and Neymar's old team).

I believe the BBC is showing it live on one of their channels.

Tony Hill
156 Posted 31/01/2021 at 16:09:19
Thanks Phill @153. He's going to be a big part of our future.

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