Kean's scoring streak continues

Wednesday, 28 October, 2020 94comments  |  Jump to last
Moise Kean scored both of Paris Saint-Germain's goals as they beat Istanbul Basaksehir in the Champions League this evening.

The striker, on a season-long loan from Everton, has now scored four times in as many appearances for PSG, adding to the two goals he notched for the Blues in the Carabao Cup prior to his switch to France.  

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Gerry Clarke
1 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:37:01
I see Moise Kean on the scoreboard again for PSG tonight.
Rob Halligan
2 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:39:10
Seems that player that was no good for us (some say he wanted out anyway) is good enough for PSG. He's scored four in the last two games, including two tonight in the Champions League.
David Pearl
3 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:39:15
I see that little bollox Moise Kean has scored another 2 for PSG. I wonder what the deal is we have with them. Then again if we cant get the ball to James, Sigurdsson and Digne in the right areas they cant supply any chances, and that's what forwards need. Very interesting what Carlo is thinking for Sunday.
Eddie Dunn
4 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:41:40
David, just saw that myself... his sudden goal avalanche playing for PSG suggests that he can play, so what was going wrong here? More to the point, why did we let him go without a replacement?
Niall McIlhone
5 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:46:52
So, in Istanbul, Moise Kean has scored both goals against Basaksehir in the Champions League. This follows a brace in Ligue 1.

You could not make this up? We are now short of proven strikers, and may have to play Calvert-Lewin as lone striker with James in support. Not that I think Moise Kean would have pulled up any trees if he stayed, but it just seems he might be unsuited to English football.

Could Carlo do worse than bring Bolasie back into the fold to provide experience and natural width on the right?

Pat Kelly
6 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:50:16
Yes, Kean got a brace.
Gerry Clarke
7 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:55:26
Anyone know the details of the loan deal with PSG ?
Alex Gray
8 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:08:21
Still believe we’ll regret letting Kean go (even if he pushed the move). If dcl gets injured we have no back up at all which is worrying.
Joe McMahon
9 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:14:05
Unlike the majority, I was always wanting a proper run of league games for Moise Kean. In my opinion, letting him leave was a mistake as we are down to one striker now.
Alex Gray
10 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:18:30
Spot on, Joe. You could argue that the French league is easier but the four finishes in two games have been very varied and good finishes in my opinion.

In January, we need to get another option in.

Christy Ring
11 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:43:08
Two more for Kean again tonight but what I don’t understand, Brands/ Carlo letting him go, and not replacing him, leaving Calvert-Lewin our ONLY striker.
Daniel A Johnson
12 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:49:03
PSG arguably one of the biggest teams in world football (Neymar etc), and Kean walks straight into the team and starts scoring goals.

Yet he could barely get a start for us?

I will agree that when he did he looked rusty and disinterested but you have to ask did he really get a fair crack? How many consecutive games did he ever get?

Anthony A Hughes
13 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:51:30
Good player? Poor player? Who knows. Some players just don't fit some clubs and Keane and Everton looked like an arranged marriage more than one of love.
Brian Williams
14 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:54:20
If he'd have scored four goals in two games, he'd have got a fair crack and continued to do so. As it is, he was pretty poor, and undeserving, due to his performance – nothing else.
Alan McGuffog
15 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:08:05
It's unlikely he'll want to come back to Everton so, if he has boosted his reputation, and is wanted by PSG or whoever, let's get a massive transfer fee. Or is that simplistic?
Ray Roche
16 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:38:21
Brian, he wasn't poor all the time. After a MotM performance against Newcastle, he was dropped, right when his confidence would be high.

I've said before that he needed more than three or four minutes at the end of a game. Yet Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin etc wandered through game after game.

I think we'll regret letting him go.

Peter Mills
17 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:39:53
As I understand it, we have loaned him to PSG, they have no option to buy.

He did not do very well for us. If he succeeds for PSG they may pay top dollar for him. That would be a good result.

Will Mabon
18 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:40:21
It's a weird one alright. I guess he just didn't like it here – or someone didn't like him. As said above, he walked straight into the new team so they either saw or knew enough, and it's worked – blowing Mbappe and Neymar out the water!

Until recently I thought he had deserved more of a chance but then when he did play, he looked almost like he didn't want to be there. I saw him smile in the highlights of the last game so at least we know he has teeth.

Phil Lewis
19 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:42:14
The teams that Moise Kean has scored against for PSG so far are the equivalent to Crewe Alex and Shamrock Rovers (albeit, I concede, slightly better!). I hope he continues his scoring spree as after all, he is still an Everton player. So whether he returns a better player or his performances increase his transfer value, it's a win-win situation for us.

It's nonsense to suggest that he didn't get ample opportunity for us to show his ability. The fact is that he failed miserably. I believe that, were he not sent out on loan, his hopeless displays would have continued in the Premier League.

I will be monitoring his progress closely, particularly when PSG face stiff opposition. As I always say about Everton players that I have cause to criticise, I sincerely hope that he proves me wrong.

Neil Cremin
20 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:50:07
I see Moise scored twice for PSG tonight. To the best of my knowledge, that is 3 already in as many games.
Anthony Murphy
21 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:54:37
No regrets here, the lad doesn't want to play for us and will never return.
Oliver Molloy
22 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:57:01
Kean would not have gone to PSG unless Ancelotti gave the okay... Let's sack Ancelotti!

Could be a case of looking at the bigger picture, or a case the manager didn't want a dour fucker about the squad. Either way, I'm with Ancelotti.

Mike Gaynes
23 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:58:38
I do not want us to sell that kid. I want him in blue.

Hopefully he comes back from Paris ready to claim his place.

That said, Phil's point about the level of competition is a good one. I don't think I've ever seen a striker as open on a corner kick as Kean was on his first goal. It looked like a warmup header... six yards, center of the goal and nobody even near him.

Barry Rathbone
24 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:59:35
His problem is he is not precise enough hence his problems of coughing up possession or mis-hitting under pressure. Playing for Juve or PSG this isn't an issue because their dominance creates umpteen chances but in the arena of Premier League mortal combat, it is fatal.

His mis-hit @4:18 when easier to bury the shot and subsequent tricks that lose possession show his frailty in this league:

Not a BAD player, just not suited to this league

Gerry Clarke
25 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:00:05
Thanks Peter @17, because I read conflicting reports, some saying it was simply a loan and others saying there was an option to buy.
Steavey Buckley
26 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:07:44
Oumar Niasse, where are you? Bring yer boots on Sunday and you might get a game. There is only one other striker available for Sunday's match against Newcastle.
Neil Cremin
27 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:10:07
I really wanted him to succeed but, on the occasions when he was given a chance, I thought his first touch was awful. Also, his temperament and focus doesn't seem right when playing for us. Don't know if it's an attitude problem or not.
Duncan McDine
28 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:19:39
It’s good news all round if he can bag a load of goals for PSG. It means that we should be able to shift him permanently before they get wind of the fact that he’s a sulky sod and is rubbish at football.
Robert Tressell
29 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:34:34
Victor Osimhem scored 18 for Lille last season and moved to Napoli for £63M.

Kean could easily better that. He is an outstanding young striker.

Fran Mitchell
30 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:38:22
He was crap whenever he played for us: either he didn't want to be here, or he was just plain crap.

I hope he scores bundles and we sell him for big bucks, better than him playing crap and us being stuck with him, a la Sandro and Co.

Gerry Clarke
31 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:39:11
I agree with most of what you say there, Duncan. I do hope he does well at PSG and we can move him on for a big fee. Yes, he's a sulky sod but there is ability there, you don't play for Juve and the Italian national side without some talent.

My feeling is that he is too like to Balotelli and could crash and burn in a similar way.

Kev Dooley
32 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:42:50
That celebration though, it's right up there on the Daniel Sturridge front, you all know what I'm talking about.

Never interested if you ask me. Seems he left his smile in Turin.

Brian Wilkinson
33 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:20:33
From what I remember from the deal, Everton tried to get a fixed fee to buy after the loan period and PSG said No. It might come back to bite them on their arse and earn us an even bigger fee. Let's face it, he is not happy at Everton, so unless he does a U-turn, I still expect him to be sold after his loan spell.
Dale Self
34 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:22:27
Let's get this understood, he didn't want to play for us and would have scored fuck all. We tried to do something good for all at the time and it didn't work out due to the player's motivation. Manage the asset value from here on, not an Everton player.
Joe Corgan
35 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:26:24
His goals for PSG only serve to further highlight his attitude while playing for us.

For me, it was never a case of him never getting a chance at Everton, nor was it wholly a question of the “service” he received.

It seems to me that his heart was never here. Call it homesickness or call it a bad attitude – he never seemed to want to play a team game. Too many times he seemed to want to do it all on his own and no player in the world can do that. Perhaps he needed to trust his Everton teammates a little more, even if they weren't up to the standard of Neymar and Mbappe.

Clearly there was something going on in his head while he was here. Ferguson choosing to substitute him against Manchester United after 18 minutes on the pitch was a clear sign that all was not right.

He may yet turn into a hell of player but I'm pretty certain it won't be for Everton.

Jamal Paktongko
36 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:45:10
This is just a flash in the pan. Moise Kean is a bubble waiting to be burst.
David Pearl
37 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:46:47
He cut the mustard in his last game against Dijon, and again tonight... yep l said it. He also smiled after scoring instead of the usual sullen look. If PSG want him and don't bid what we want, it's a gonna turn ugly.
Phil Wood
38 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:34:09
He never looked happy here. Tried a little showboating that never came off. Very sullen persona. The way he stole the ball for the penalty that was the right of Gordon and then took the most arrogant of pens.

I think he thought he was too big for us and expected everything to be given to him on a plate. When it didn't happen he downed tools.

Now at PSG, he thinks this is his true level and pulls his guts out. No loss to us. Let's grab the cash and run.

Gavin Johnson
39 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:34:17
David #37,

If he keeps scoring other elite clubs may come in for him. As Robert pointed out, Victor Osimhem went to Napoli for £63M. I think clubs in Italy will be queuing up to sign him if PSG don't pay what we want.

Maybe we'll give him another go next season but I would imagine Kean himself will want to stay in Paris if this kind of form continues.

Phil Smith
40 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:48:33
Sorry, but anyone who says Kean is crap has no idea about football.
Mike Corcoran
41 Posted 29/10/2020 at 01:00:54
The lad's young and may mature but it just wasn't working for him here. In a way it reminds me of Klaassen, just trying too hard in rare minutes and losing his game in his head. He's in the right place to resettle his game.

Hopefully he gets a few more goals in the Champions League to give him the necessary mental boost. However against Man Utd the other week he was poor. That's more the sort of game his performances will be judged on. Hope he comes good and comes up smiling.

Ernie Baywood
42 Posted 29/10/2020 at 02:02:34
I can only go on what I saw at Everton and I'm pretty easy on young players.

He made bad decisions. But I think a lot of that was down lack of opportunity - he was desperate to make a big impression and tried to force things.

Other than that his first touch was work, completely lacked movement, looked disinterested, complained every time players chose another option (even when he was stood behind an opponent), sand his finishing looked subpar.

It's have loved it to work out, but it didn't in a big way. Some of it was opportunity, a lot of it was him but showing anything when given the opportunity.

If he's such a high potential player, you've got to ask why he didn't show it at Everton. Even his Bournemouth performance last season was more 'Straq becoming a cult hero' than 'Rooney announcing himself'.

Shared responsibility - it didn't work out. But I hope he scores a lot of goals for PSG.

Si Cooper
43 Posted 29/10/2020 at 02:10:58
Klaassen, Mike? Chalk and cheese surely? Klaassen's issue was physicality, he certainly wasn't up to the requirements of the Premier League. Is Van der Beek struggling in the same way at Manchester United?

As for Moise Kean? Well it is still too soon to say one way or another but his purple patch shouldn't be too much of a surprise as he has been a regular pick for the Italian national side recently. I don't recall any top managers pronouncing him as useless and a sullen misfit.

Best case scenario is he continues to blossom and so do EFC, so he has a really difficult decision to make at the end of the season.

Nicholas Howard
44 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:08:46
Playing time. that's the difference.

His lack of first team playing time, made him disinterested to be at the club? Still too early to draw conclusion on his dream PSG start also look at the players playing with him now

Alan J Thompson
45 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:47:32
Is it a problem that Everton have with Italians (and before that Brazilians, and before that French and before that any sort of South American) or is it the coaching or lack of opportunity, or is it the same problem with a midfield that hasn't settled and is looked to be more defensive than box to box.

And what price that like an option to buy there is no chance of a January recall.

Jay Harris
46 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:51:29
Agree with most he was not happy at all in sunny Liverpool. He listened to his agent, thought he would walk straight into the first team and then his father got in his ear.

Hope he plays well and gets us a big fee because he does not want to come back to Everton.

Derek Knox
47 Posted 29/10/2020 at 04:07:11
Pat K, @ 6, Thanks for that, I had no idea he had trouble with his teeth alignment, although his alignment with us, left a lot to be questioned.

Like many have said he never looked like he wanted to be with us. Maybe a case of 'horses for courses', I wish him all the best however whether that be with PSG or he eventually comes back to us, but I doubt it very much.

Ralph Basnett
48 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:11:03
Just doubled his transfer fee, but have always said he deserved a run of games.

Calvert-Lewin got three seasons and now look at him!!

Derek Knox
49 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:39:51
Ralph @48, there is a significant difference between Calvert-Lewin and Moise Kean, and that is application and commitment. As many have said, maybe he didn't get a run of games, but there must have been a reason for that.

Remember Marco Silva was manager when he first came, then Dunc temporarily before Carlo, and between them all, he has only had cameo roles or been given a start only to be subbed after disappointing and failing to put a decent shift in.

They see a lot more than we do at Finch Farm, so are better equipped to make decisions on who does or doesn't play. We all like to think we are Football Manager, by suggesting what 'team' should play, then if a poor result the post mortem starts, "Well if he'd have played my team" etc. :-)

Ajay Gopal
50 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:45:20
I agree it didn't work for him at Everton, the only display that impressed me was the last game against Bournemouth last season - he looked very lively and I thought that he might start the season alongside Richarlison with Calvert-Lewin relegated to the bench! That prediction did not turn out exactly right, did it?

But, as others have mentioned, it is in Everton's interest that he has a storming season, and hopefully we can get a huge fee off of anyone who wants to buy him, because like Lukaku before him, I suspect that he looks at Everton as a stepping stone. So, good luck to him, and hopefully we use the money wisely to buy someone who can really make a huge positive impact for us – I am thinking someone like Ismaila Sarr or St Maximin from Newcastle.

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:50:05
Thunder only happens when it's raining and “players” only love you when they are “playing”!

I thought he played well against Newcastle, and was expecting him to get a run in the team after this, but it never happened... so let's see if we can bring in another forward at Christmas?

One thing I didn't like about Moise Kean was his absolute reluctance to go and challenge for the ball in the air. So fair play for scoring in the Champions League, kid, but he won't score many headers unless he improves both his bravery and his desire, when going for an aerial ball.

Eddie Dunn
52 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:53:26
For me, it was Ferguson hooking him when he had put him on as sub at Old Trafford. Perhaps he never recovered or forgave his coach, who continued to be around after Carlo came in. He could be the sort of kid who needs the classic arm around the shoulder rather than Duncan's big welly up the jacksie.

He might have scored easy chances against weak opposition but let's see how he goes, it could be that we might rue our treatment of him.

Adam Fenlon
53 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:21:55
This is good news people, not a stick to beat the club with. Alternative is the Sandro/Bolasie situation where we get people back at the end of the loan, with no interest from the other club in taking them off our hands.
Andrew Ellams
54 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:32:47
I don't think the issue here is anything to do with ability. It seems that he just wasn't happy.

He's not the first player that has come to England, not made it and then moved on and done well in other leagues and he won't be the last.

Jim Bennings
55 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:33:45
Sometimes players just fit certain clubs.

We have had many examples ourselves over the years, James Beattie, Simon Davies both excellent performers at Southampton and Spurs respectively but came to us and just couldn't do it.

Kean could just be a player that doesn't really fit the demands of English football, maybe he will five or six year's down the line, who's to say he won't grow up and start maturing as a man and he may well end up at 26 or 27 years old at Manchester United, it's all guesswork.

If he has a good loan period anyway maybe we can go and prize £40 million from PSG for him?

After all they bloody short-changed us when getting Gana on the cheap.

Ian Jones
56 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:39:14
I think the statements below made above by other posters will be more like Kean's future and sum up my views.

Robert @ 29 - 'He is an outstanding young striker.'

Joe @ 35 - 'He may yet turn into a hell of player but I'm pretty certain it won't be for Everton.'

Phil @ 40 - 'Sorry, but anyone who says Kean is crap has no idea about football.'

Nicholas @ 44 - 'Playing time. that's the difference.'

Personally, I think he will become one of Europe's leading strikers. Has all the natural ability.

He came to us when he was 19 - probably a young/immature 19 year old.

Perhaps too early in his career to be looking to move abroad. However, assume he felt he would not get opportunities to play regularly at Juventus and felt he needed to move to play.

Who knows what Silva/Brands promised but he possibly had an expectation that he would play regularly.

Then new management comes in and it's all change.

Rob Dolby
57 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:49:46
I would like nothing more than for him to score a shed load and come back to us hungry to score more next year.

In reality if he keeps on playing and scoring for PSG we will have a tough job keeping hold of him.

He needs to keep on improving, Tuchal said as much last week. Harry Kane had a good few loan spells before becoming the player he is now.

The goals he scored last night where good opportunists Johnny on the spot type finishes, maybe we have bought another Cottee or Lineker and don't know it yet.

Terence Leong
58 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:02:44
I hope Kean comes back with a renewed confidence and enthusiasm for the club.
We still have Tosun actually, whom I think, as a short term option, he can do more than decent for us.

The fact is that PSG has more games where they can rotate players (with CL games), while we primarily have the league (the FA Cup and Carabao Cup notwithstanding).

Also, our current formation of 4-3-3 means that Kean will only be a backup to DCL, unlike a 4-4-2 formation.

If Tosun can't quite cut it, I would imagine that Ancelotti is more likely to shift Richarlison into the middle, and bring in others on the flank.

Trevor Peers
59 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:07:20
I doubt if Kean will ever want to come back to the blues, he never really settled here but if he bangs in a fair amount of goals we might get the full asking price we paid for him, which is good news.

Kean was Silva's player let Carlo find someone more suited to the premiership with the money, hopefully in the next transfer window.

Christy Ring
60 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:18:51
He was given chances to play, when he was here, but his attitude left a lot to be desired. Maybe it's just me, but Juventus selling a young Italian international, would make you think, something wasn't right?
Ray Roche
61 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:37:41
Last season Kean started in the Bournemouth game. He was substituted (I think) with about 30minutes left to play and DCL came on. Kean was knackered, the lack of game time was beginning to show.
As we know, DCL was having a poor run and looked like his confidence had gone. He was, people told us, a Championship player, and in this instance looked it. What I did notice was, once Kean went off, we had no one in the box. DCL, like players with no confidence, was ‘ running the channels ‘ and steering clear of the box. Kean, in my opinion, will become a proper striker. He will score goals because he will run at teams and he will get in the box. It hasn’t worked for him here...yet...but we don’t know what his relationship is with his coach, Ferguson, yet we know DCL gets plenty of one to one coaching because he has said so. Maybe Kean, 19 when he arrived and maybe not so mature, needs the arm round the shoulder and not a hoof up the hoop.
Tony Marsh
62 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:41:19
There are great players on the continent, fantastic players... but they wouldn't last 5 minutes over here. Takes a certain mindset and physical presence. Kean lacks both.
Ajay Gopal
63 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:45:22
Not to forget his indiscretions - showing up late for practice and getting fined by the club, breaking the Covid quarantine rules, etc.
Benn Chambers
64 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:49:01
Long may this continue and sending him there could prove great business. Not because I think he’ll come back a better player, he’s had more than enough games in the prem to show he can handle it, he can’t. Sending him to PSG and him scoring a shit load of goals, will inflate his fee. He’s 20 and Napoli just paid £68m for Osimneh from Lille who is 2 years older and only scored 13 league goals. Keane should easily get 20 plus in that league. It’s worse than Scotland. It has 1 team and a team that is light years ahead of its rivals. I’d score 20 being fed tap ins by neymar and Mbappe in a dogshit league.

PSG have no option to buy so no fee is pre agreed. Let’s hope he continues this and we double our initial investment and get a player who can do it in the prem.

Looking good for Juve and PSG is entirely different than doing it for Everton in a ridiculously competitive league.

He’s had chances. He’s done fuck all when he’s had them. He’s rash and snatches at chances. He’s great from 6 yards tho.

I do think it was a joke that we didn’t replace him with a loan player though, and we’re seeing it now that Richarlison is out. 1 striker is not enough at all. Our first 11 is great, our squad is still poor. Look at spurs. We are still a work in progress but we have no depth. Bernard and Iwobi are not good enough for our bench for we profess to be wanting to go. January should see us beef our squad up.

Oh and finally, off subject. bolasie should be gone but he’s still here and he’s twice the player Iwobi and Bernard are. He’s quick strong and direct. He should be brought back in to the fold till his deal is up. We’re paying him, use him. Iwobi is the worst midfielder I’ve seen play for us and I’ve watched Claus Thomsen.

Jon Wit
65 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:53:11
Just seems to me he wasn't happy here (might be as much about the UK as anything else) - now he has found some motivation to move away.
Jon Wit
66 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:54:38
If he turns out to be a world beater and they already agreed a low price then that would be Everton.
Robert Tressell
67 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:01:02
Those asking why he didn't do it at Everton. At Juve, champions league + winning football + surrounded by stars. Same at PSG. At Everton, not so much. Sad as it sounds, he played like a young man who discovered he'd joined a club that was beneath him.

Other factors too but there's truth in that.

Joe McMahon
68 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:10:05
Robert, there may be truth in that, lack of CL history and stadium isn't enticing. However Everton do have a manager who is respected in world football.
Stephen Brown
69 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:13:31
You just pray some players come off and do well by scoring -Beattie, Jelavic, Amokachi, Bakayoko spring to mind! Kean fell in to this category for me! Every time I watched him I was willing him to score and do well! Unfortunately every time I watched him, like many of the others, I have named it became more apparent that he wasn’t up to it!

I’m not sure if it will always be the case but I think the best situation will be take the money in June! Let’s hope he score loads of goals and it’s £30m plus

Ray Roche
70 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:14:30

You say 'He’s had chances'. I disagree. He showed against Newcastle when he started a game that there IS player in there, it needs coaxing out. Five minutes here or there are no use to anyone.
He has never looked as fit as he should be for the Prem. Is that ALL his fault? Some players need pushing, coaxing or encouraging. Some need a good slap. Maybe he's always had the wrong treatment here? Maybe we should look at the way he's been treated, after all, 'We'll look after you son' looks pretty hollow now.
I do, though, agree wholeheartedly with you about Bolasie. He showed, pre season I know, that he has more application and effort, not to mention skill, than Iwobi will ever show. He would do a better job than Iwobi any day of the week. I wonder if Iwobi keeps getting a chance because of the money we spent and the length of his contact still to run.

And did you HAVE to mention Klaus Thomsen?

Tony Marsh. Good to see you back.

Stephen Brown
71 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:24:30
Ray and Benn

I also agree re Bolasie! Think about the Southampton game. We were 2-0 down, playing badly and just needed something totally different! Bolasie might just have provided that off the bench? He has pace, power and is unpredictable but every now and again it comes off!

We’re paying him, he’s willing, we’re short on attacking players let’s use him!

Robert Tressell
72 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:25:00
We do Joe @68. But he didn't turn up until fairly late. Kean arrived to a total mess of a club, with a manager out of his depth and pretty much everyone out of sorts. This for a teenager hounded out of Italy by racists (including his own captain). How would Mason Greenwood have fared going in the other direction?
Rob Halligan
73 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:43:57
Anyone asking why don't we consider Bolasie, the answer being he's not in the twenty five man squad that has been registered with the premier league, so therefore be can't play. Don't know if this can be amended though?
Ian Horan
74 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:46:36
Kean maybe a world superstar in 5 years or he maybe the Machadia? That burst onto the scene at Utd then ended up at Cardiff before now in the Italian second division.

But Kean is just 20 and living abroad alone during such unusual times with Covid-19, he recently said in an interview he has relatives in Paris. We have seen the impact on many young peoples mental health from pressure and loneliness, just maybe the increased family support and the less frantic pressure of the EPL with allow his talent to flourish remember his is still very young and very raw i hope he scores a bagful the world then becomes his oyster and EFC get a return on their investment, I personally don't believe he will wear a blue shirt again for us.

Ray Roche
75 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:59:17
Rob, I was aware that Bolasie wasn’t in the Premier squad but that, to me, is a mistake. He does have at least as much to offer as Iwobi and is just a drain on resources whilst providing nothing in return. Not his fault and an error in judgment in my humble opinion.
Brian Williams
76 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:03:24
Ray. Pretty sure that Bolasie being a drain on resources IS his fault. He had the chance to go to Middlesbrough and basically didn't put himself out to get the move.
If he'd have wanted to go he'd have made sure his agent had informed Neil Warnock of everything he needed to know. He didn't.
Totally unprofessional behaviour on his part.
Jamie Crowley
77 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:05:43
You loan a player out for game time and experience. That’s what Moise is getting, and this loan is working out wonderfully.

To say we’re missing him is a bit rich. He’s playing against a team I’d not heard of before, bagging two against inferior opposition, in the early rounds of the CL.
To connect those dots and think he’d have made a difference, say last week against Southampton, is a bit much.

Hope he keeps doing well. He’s right where he needs to be, which is not with us, getting some game time on a big stage with a ridiculously congested fixture list for the European teams participating in the European competitions.

Tony Everan
78 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:17:53
He won’t want to come back here, I don’t think he settled at all. The more goals he scores the better as he will get a better pick of clubs and we will get our money back. Or, who knows, more with a bit of luck if he keeps banging them in.

Does anyone know if PSG has a right to buy option?

Rob Halligan
79 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:46:17
Bolasie still has a contract with Everton, so the only team he can play for is the U23's. He will now have to wait until 1st January before he can move, same as Besic. Then again, do the club have to submit another squad list to the premier league at the end of every transfer window? Maybe he could be in the new squad list?
Ray Roche
80 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:49:25
Brian, Bolasie didn’t move to Boro due to ‘unspecified problems at Everton ‘ which Warnock didn’t know about. Bolasie states that his agent knew and should have informed Warnock but, for whatever reason, didn’t clarify the situation. Bolasie also says that he wanted the move and was prepared to give up ‘a lot’ to move. I get the impression that Bolasie is a decent guy, never bad mouths anyone or the club and gives his best. He’d be an improvement on some in the first team squad.

Players employ agents to do the jobs and take care of details that they can’t do. It’s the agents responsibility and the agents fault.

Brian Williams
81 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:58:24
More to it than that Ray. Bolasie didn't do what he should have done to sort the move.
Ray Roche
82 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:03:20
Brian, I only know what I have read, if you have the inside line, let’s be having it!
Len Hawkins
83 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:48:00
I think the scowling kipper on him spoke volumes about whether he wanted to be here or not. File him with Beatty Belfitt Harper and Angell. If Carlo gets us hitting the heights then the Worlds top Strikers will want to come to Megafon Bramley Moore.
Brian Williams
84 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:55:30
I have nothing like that Ray but if he'd have been that bothered about the move he'd have taken enough interest to ensure that everything was going ahead.
I'm afraid "leaving it to the agent" doesn't wash with me.
If I wanted to play football, and hadn't for some time, I'd make every effort to ensure that everything was sorted.
The fact that he didn't, and then got on social media as quick as a flash to divest himself of any blame is telling IMO.
Finally Warnock, noted for his frankness, said that Bolasie was partly to blame, and I believe that to be the case.
Nicholas Ryan
85 Posted 29/10/2020 at 14:38:49
He does not have a purchase clause in the loan agreement. What I have heard from someone inside the Club, is that he was bone idle and immature and made it clear to all and sundry, that he didn't want to be here. He didn't like the 'physicality' of the EPL.

Apparently, Carlo loved him, but a point came where even he had to say: Enough is enough.

As Tony Pulis said when he was at Stoke: 'There are plenty of youngsters with talent... but can they show that talent with Robert Huth hanging on to one arm and Wes Morgan hanging on to the other'!

The answer for Moise, was a resounding No.

DCL is a Premier League striker, Moise Kean isn't. It's pointless arguing about whether one is 'better' than the other.

Running a Derby winner in the Grand National won't work; neither will running a National winner in the Derby!

Andrew Keatley
86 Posted 29/10/2020 at 14:58:39
In a top side that will dominate their opponents, Kean can be effective as a goal scorer - his four goals in the last two games for PSG bear that out. But his overall play in those two games was not great - and injuries to Draxler and Icardi, as well as Di Maria being suspended, probably made his route to the starting XI a bit easier.

Kean will need to improve his all-round play in order to really progress. I don’t believe he will ever play for Everton again, and a successful stint at PSG will hopefully lead to a decent transfer fee to a dominant club that needs someone to stay in the box and score ugly goals.

Robert (72) - Nobody can be sure how Mason Greenwood would have fared, but I see Greenwood as an absolutely fantastic talent who has the natural ability to succeed anywhere. Kean is not in the same bracket.

Dale Self
87 Posted 29/10/2020 at 15:59:11
Very naughty Eddie. I was just recovering from that discussion.
Kieran Kinsella
88 Posted 29/10/2020 at 16:44:44
Brian Williams

Stab in the dark here, but if Bolasie, Warnock and Everton were all in favor of the move, and Bolasie was willing to "give up a lot" then I assume the "problem with Everton" was likely some kind of a loan fee. Warnock is pointing the finger of blame at Bolasie for failure to disclose but the guy has an agent. Granted, I've never negotiated a contract it a footballer, but I have negotiated contracts with actors. Or rather with their agents, generally they (the actors) won't even talk cash, they rely on the agent to handle 100% of the financial side. I assume it would be the same with football agents in which case it sounds like Bolasie's agent dropped the ball, agreeing wages with Boro but not bothering to negotiate the details between the clubs.

Darren Hind
89 Posted 29/10/2020 at 17:33:40
He won't be the first players who found English football didn't suit his game.
John Wilson
90 Posted 29/10/2020 at 17:41:20
Neymar missed his chances. Moise Kean took his 3 chances and put them on target, two of which he scored and of the other apparently is was from a difficult angle.

Calvert-Lewin misses more than he scores. Moise Kean scores more than he misses. You can't say the Turkish team were inferior as even Neymar and Mbappe misread their chances. Moise Kean, as PSG said on Twitter, won that game and without him no goals. Mbappe got the two assists.

Say what you want about him – he knows how to score: one was back to goal, a little chip for himself to turnaround and score; and the other in front of goal, a well-placed header.

Martin Berry
92 Posted 29/10/2020 at 18:55:02
Good luck to the lad now he has moved on.
I don't expect him to ever to put on an Everton shirt again as he obviously wanted out.
We move on.
Andy Mead
93 Posted 29/10/2020 at 21:46:29
If we have any intentions of keeping him, I don't understand the loan to a French team. Totally different culture and league. Clearly he isn't coming back.
Barry Rathbone
94 Posted 29/10/2020 at 22:19:01
Just watched his goals at PSG – they're identical to his Juve goals with defenders always a yard away.

His second against Istanbul has the ball bouncing off his leg but the defending was so cack he had time to have a swing at it.

Won't get such space in the Premier League.

Jerome Shields
95 Posted 29/10/2020 at 23:58:44
What do you do with a player that did not want to play ball? Everton could have done with a supporting striker. Hope he keeps scoring will push up his transfers value.

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