The striker, on a season-long loan from Everton, has now scored four times in as many appearances for PSG, adding to the two goals he notched for the Blues in the Carabao Cup prior to his switch to France.
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1 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:37:01
2 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:39:10
3 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:39:15
4 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:41:40
5 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:46:52
You could not make this up? We are now short of proven strikers, and may have to play Calvert-Lewin as lone striker with James in support. Not that I think Moise Kean would have pulled up any trees if he stayed, but it just seems he might be unsuited to English football.
Could Carlo do worse than bring Bolasie back into the fold to provide experience and natural width on the right?
6 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:50:16
7 Posted 28/10/2020 at 19:55:26
8 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:08:21
9 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:14:05
10 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:18:30
In January, we need to get another option in.
11 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:43:08
12 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:49:03
Yet he could barely get a start for us?
I will agree that when he did he looked rusty and disinterested but you have to ask did he really get a fair crack? How many consecutive games did he ever get?
13 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:51:30
14 Posted 28/10/2020 at 20:54:20
15 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:08:05
16 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:38:21
I've said before that he needed more than three or four minutes at the end of a game. Yet Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin etc wandered through game after game.
I think we'll regret letting him go.
17 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:39:53
He did not do very well for us. If he succeeds for PSG they may pay top dollar for him. That would be a good result.
18 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:40:21
Until recently I thought he had deserved more of a chance but then when he did play, he looked almost like he didn't want to be there. I saw him smile in the highlights of the last game so at least we know he has teeth.
19 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:42:14
It's nonsense to suggest that he didn't get ample opportunity for us to show his ability. The fact is that he failed miserably. I believe that, were he not sent out on loan, his hopeless displays would have continued in the Premier League.
I will be monitoring his progress closely, particularly when PSG face stiff opposition. As I always say about Everton players that I have cause to criticise, I sincerely hope that he proves me wrong.
20 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:50:07
21 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:54:37
22 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:57:01
Could be a case of looking at the bigger picture, or a case the manager didn't want a dour fucker about the squad. Either way, I'm with Ancelotti.
23 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:58:38
Hopefully he comes back from Paris ready to claim his place.
That said, Phil's point about the level of competition is a good one. I don't think I've ever seen a striker as open on a corner kick as Kean was on his first goal. It looked like a warmup header... six yards, center of the goal and nobody even near him.
24 Posted 28/10/2020 at 21:59:35
His mis-hit @4:18 when easier to bury the shot and subsequent tricks that lose possession show his frailty in this league:
Not a BAD player, just not suited to this league
25 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:00:05
26 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:07:44
27 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:10:07
28 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:19:39
29 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:34:34
Kean could easily better that. He is an outstanding young striker.
30 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:38:22
I hope he scores bundles and we sell him for big bucks, better than him playing crap and us being stuck with him, a la Sandro and Co.
31 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:39:11
My feeling is that he is too like to Balotelli and could crash and burn in a similar way.
32 Posted 28/10/2020 at 22:42:50
Never interested if you ask me. Seems he left his smile in Turin.
33 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:20:33
34 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:22:27
35 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:26:24
For me, it was never a case of him never getting a chance at Everton, nor was it wholly a question of the “service” he received.
It seems to me that his heart was never here. Call it homesickness or call it a bad attitude – he never seemed to want to play a team game. Too many times he seemed to want to do it all on his own and no player in the world can do that. Perhaps he needed to trust his Everton teammates a little more, even if they weren't up to the standard of Neymar and Mbappe.
Clearly there was something going on in his head while he was here. Ferguson choosing to substitute him against Manchester United after 18 minutes on the pitch was a clear sign that all was not right.
He may yet turn into a hell of player but I'm pretty certain it won't be for Everton.
36 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:45:10
37 Posted 28/10/2020 at 23:46:47
38 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:34:09
I think he thought he was too big for us and expected everything to be given to him on a plate. When it didn't happen he downed tools.
Now at PSG, he thinks this is his true level and pulls his guts out. No loss to us. Let's grab the cash and run.
39 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:34:17
If he keeps scoring other elite clubs may come in for him. As Robert pointed out, Victor Osimhem went to Napoli for £63M. I think clubs in Italy will be queuing up to sign him if PSG don't pay what we want.
Maybe we'll give him another go next season but I would imagine Kean himself will want to stay in Paris if this kind of form continues.
40 Posted 29/10/2020 at 00:48:33
41 Posted 29/10/2020 at 01:00:54
Hopefully he gets a few more goals in the Champions League to give him the necessary mental boost. However against Man Utd the other week he was poor. That's more the sort of game his performances will be judged on. Hope he comes good and comes up smiling.
42 Posted 29/10/2020 at 02:02:34
He made bad decisions. But I think a lot of that was down lack of opportunity - he was desperate to make a big impression and tried to force things.
Other than that his first touch was work, completely lacked movement, looked disinterested, complained every time players chose another option (even when he was stood behind an opponent), sand his finishing looked subpar.
It's have loved it to work out, but it didn't in a big way. Some of it was opportunity, a lot of it was him but showing anything when given the opportunity.
If he's such a high potential player, you've got to ask why he didn't show it at Everton. Even his Bournemouth performance last season was more 'Straq becoming a cult hero' than 'Rooney announcing himself'.
Shared responsibility - it didn't work out. But I hope he scores a lot of goals for PSG.
43 Posted 29/10/2020 at 02:10:58
As for Moise Kean? Well it is still too soon to say one way or another but his purple patch shouldn't be too much of a surprise as he has been a regular pick for the Italian national side recently. I don't recall any top managers pronouncing him as useless and a sullen misfit.
Best case scenario is he continues to blossom and so do EFC, so he has a really difficult decision to make at the end of the season.
44 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:08:46
His lack of first team playing time, made him disinterested to be at the club? Still too early to draw conclusion on his dream PSG start also look at the players playing with him now
45 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:47:32
And what price that like an option to buy there is no chance of a January recall.
46 Posted 29/10/2020 at 03:51:29
Hope he plays well and gets us a big fee because he does not want to come back to Everton.
47 Posted 29/10/2020 at 04:07:11
Like many have said he never looked like he wanted to be with us. Maybe a case of 'horses for courses', I wish him all the best however whether that be with PSG or he eventually comes back to us, but I doubt it very much.
48 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:11:03
Calvert-Lewin got three seasons and now look at him!!
49 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:39:51
Remember Marco Silva was manager when he first came, then Dunc temporarily before Carlo, and between them all, he has only had cameo roles or been given a start only to be subbed after disappointing and failing to put a decent shift in.
They see a lot more than we do at Finch Farm, so are better equipped to make decisions on who does or doesn't play. We all like to think we are Football Manager, by suggesting what 'team' should play, then if a poor result the post mortem starts, "Well if he'd have played my team" etc. :-)
50 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:45:20
But, as others have mentioned, it is in Everton's interest that he has a storming season, and hopefully we can get a huge fee off of anyone who wants to buy him, because like Lukaku before him, I suspect that he looks at Everton as a stepping stone. So, good luck to him, and hopefully we use the money wisely to buy someone who can really make a huge positive impact for us – I am thinking someone like Ismaila Sarr or St Maximin from Newcastle.
51 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:50:05
I thought he played well against Newcastle, and was expecting him to get a run in the team after this, but it never happened... so let's see if we can bring in another forward at Christmas?
One thing I didn't like about Moise Kean was his absolute reluctance to go and challenge for the ball in the air. So fair play for scoring in the Champions League, kid, but he won't score many headers unless he improves both his bravery and his desire, when going for an aerial ball.
52 Posted 29/10/2020 at 07:53:26
He might have scored easy chances against weak opposition but let's see how he goes, it could be that we might rue our treatment of him.
53 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:21:55
54 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:32:47
He's not the first player that has come to England, not made it and then moved on and done well in other leagues and he won't be the last.
55 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:33:45
We have had many examples ourselves over the years, James Beattie, Simon Davies both excellent performers at Southampton and Spurs respectively but came to us and just couldn't do it.
Kean could just be a player that doesn't really fit the demands of English football, maybe he will five or six year's down the line, who's to say he won't grow up and start maturing as a man and he may well end up at 26 or 27 years old at Manchester United, it's all guesswork.
If he has a good loan period anyway maybe we can go and prize £40 million from PSG for him?
After all they bloody short-changed us when getting Gana on the cheap.
56 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:39:14
Robert @ 29 - 'He is an outstanding young striker.'
Joe @ 35 - 'He may yet turn into a hell of player but I'm pretty certain it won't be for Everton.'
Phil @ 40 - 'Sorry, but anyone who says Kean is crap has no idea about football.'
Nicholas @ 44 - 'Playing time. that's the difference.'
Personally, I think he will become one of Europe's leading strikers. Has all the natural ability.
He came to us when he was 19 - probably a young/immature 19 year old.
Perhaps too early in his career to be looking to move abroad. However, assume he felt he would not get opportunities to play regularly at Juventus and felt he needed to move to play.
Who knows what Silva/Brands promised but he possibly had an expectation that he would play regularly.
Then new management comes in and it's all change.
57 Posted 29/10/2020 at 08:49:46
In reality if he keeps on playing and scoring for PSG we will have a tough job keeping hold of him.
He needs to keep on improving, Tuchal said as much last week. Harry Kane had a good few loan spells before becoming the player he is now.
The goals he scored last night where good opportunists Johnny on the spot type finishes, maybe we have bought another Cottee or Lineker and don't know it yet.
58 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:02:44
We still have Tosun actually, whom I think, as a short term option, he can do more than decent for us.
The fact is that PSG has more games where they can rotate players (with CL games), while we primarily have the league (the FA Cup and Carabao Cup notwithstanding).
Also, our current formation of 4-3-3 means that Kean will only be a backup to DCL, unlike a 4-4-2 formation.
If Tosun can't quite cut it, I would imagine that Ancelotti is more likely to shift Richarlison into the middle, and bring in others on the flank.
59 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:07:20
Kean was Silva's player let Carlo find someone more suited to the premiership with the money, hopefully in the next transfer window.
60 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:18:51
61 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:37:41
As we know, DCL was having a poor run and looked like his confidence had gone. He was, people told us, a Championship player, and in this instance looked it. What I did notice was, once Kean went off, we had no one in the box. DCL, like players with no confidence, was ‘ running the channels ‘ and steering clear of the box. Kean, in my opinion, will become a proper striker. He will score goals because he will run at teams and he will get in the box. It hasnt worked for him here...yet...but we dont know what his relationship is with his coach, Ferguson, yet we know DCL gets plenty of one to one coaching because he has said so. Maybe Kean, 19 when he arrived and maybe not so mature, needs the arm round the shoulder and not a hoof up the hoop.
62 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:41:19
63 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:45:22
64 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:49:01
PSG have no option to buy so no fee is pre agreed. Lets hope he continues this and we double our initial investment and get a player who can do it in the prem.
Looking good for Juve and PSG is entirely different than doing it for Everton in a ridiculously competitive league.
Hes had chances. Hes done fuck all when hes had them. Hes rash and snatches at chances. Hes great from 6 yards tho.
I do think it was a joke that we didnt replace him with a loan player though, and were seeing it now that Richarlison is out. 1 striker is not enough at all. Our first 11 is great, our squad is still poor. Look at spurs. We are still a work in progress but we have no depth. Bernard and Iwobi are not good enough for our bench for we profess to be wanting to go. January should see us beef our squad up.
Oh and finally, off subject. bolasie should be gone but hes still here and hes twice the player Iwobi and Bernard are. Hes quick strong and direct. He should be brought back in to the fold till his deal is up. Were paying him, use him. Iwobi is the worst midfielder Ive seen play for us and Ive watched Claus Thomsen.
65 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:53:11
66 Posted 29/10/2020 at 09:54:38
67 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:01:02
Other factors too but there's truth in that.
68 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:10:05
69 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:13:31
Im not sure if it will always be the case but I think the best situation will be take the money in June! Lets hope he score loads of goals and its £30m plus
70 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:14:30
You say 'Hes had chances'. I disagree. He showed against Newcastle when he started a game that there IS player in there, it needs coaxing out. Five minutes here or there are no use to anyone.
He has never looked as fit as he should be for the Prem. Is that ALL his fault? Some players need pushing, coaxing or encouraging. Some need a good slap. Maybe he's always had the wrong treatment here? Maybe we should look at the way he's been treated, after all, 'We'll look after you son' looks pretty hollow now.
I do, though, agree wholeheartedly with you about Bolasie. He showed, pre season I know, that he has more application and effort, not to mention skill, than Iwobi will ever show. He would do a better job than Iwobi any day of the week. I wonder if Iwobi keeps getting a chance because of the money we spent and the length of his contact still to run.
And did you HAVE to mention Klaus Thomsen?
Tony Marsh. Good to see you back.
71 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:24:30
I also agree re Bolasie! Think about the Southampton game. We were 2-0 down, playing badly and just needed something totally different! Bolasie might just have provided that off the bench? He has pace, power and is unpredictable but every now and again it comes off!
Were paying him, hes willing, were short on attacking players lets use him!
72 Posted 29/10/2020 at 10:25:00
73 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:43:57
74 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:46:36
But Kean is just 20 and living abroad alone during such unusual times with Covid-19, he recently said in an interview he has relatives in Paris. We have seen the impact on many young peoples mental health from pressure and loneliness, just maybe the increased family support and the less frantic pressure of the EPL with allow his talent to flourish remember his is still very young and very raw i hope he scores a bagful the world then becomes his oyster and EFC get a return on their investment, I personally don't believe he will wear a blue shirt again for us.
75 Posted 29/10/2020 at 11:59:17
76 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:03:24
If he'd have wanted to go he'd have made sure his agent had informed Neil Warnock of everything he needed to know. He didn't.
Totally unprofessional behaviour on his part.
77 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:05:43
To say were missing him is a bit rich. Hes playing against a team Id not heard of before, bagging two against inferior opposition, in the early rounds of the CL.
To connect those dots and think hed have made a difference, say last week against Southampton, is a bit much.
Hope he keeps doing well. Hes right where he needs to be, which is not with us, getting some game time on a big stage with a ridiculously congested fixture list for the European teams participating in the European competitions.
78 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:17:53
Does anyone know if PSG has a right to buy option?
79 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:46:17
80 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:49:25
Players employ agents to do the jobs and take care of details that they cant do. Its the agents responsibility and the agents fault.
81 Posted 29/10/2020 at 12:58:24
82 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:03:20
83 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:48:00
84 Posted 29/10/2020 at 13:55:30
I'm afraid "leaving it to the agent" doesn't wash with me.
If I wanted to play football, and hadn't for some time, I'd make every effort to ensure that everything was sorted.
The fact that he didn't, and then got on social media as quick as a flash to divest himself of any blame is telling IMO.
Finally Warnock, noted for his frankness, said that Bolasie was partly to blame, and I believe that to be the case.
85 Posted 29/10/2020 at 14:38:49
Apparently, Carlo loved him, but a point came where even he had to say: Enough is enough.
As Tony Pulis said when he was at Stoke: 'There are plenty of youngsters with talent... but can they show that talent with Robert Huth hanging on to one arm and Wes Morgan hanging on to the other'!
The answer for Moise, was a resounding No.
DCL is a Premier League striker, Moise Kean isn't. It's pointless arguing about whether one is 'better' than the other.
Running a Derby winner in the Grand National won't work; neither will running a National winner in the Derby!
86 Posted 29/10/2020 at 14:58:39
Kean will need to improve his all-round play in order to really progress. I dont believe he will ever play for Everton again, and a successful stint at PSG will hopefully lead to a decent transfer fee to a dominant club that needs someone to stay in the box and score ugly goals.
Robert (72) - Nobody can be sure how Mason Greenwood would have fared, but I see Greenwood as an absolutely fantastic talent who has the natural ability to succeed anywhere. Kean is not in the same bracket.
87 Posted 29/10/2020 at 15:59:11
88 Posted 29/10/2020 at 16:44:44
Stab in the dark here, but if Bolasie, Warnock and Everton were all in favor of the move, and Bolasie was willing to "give up a lot" then I assume the "problem with Everton" was likely some kind of a loan fee. Warnock is pointing the finger of blame at Bolasie for failure to disclose but the guy has an agent. Granted, I've never negotiated a contract it a footballer, but I have negotiated contracts with actors. Or rather with their agents, generally they (the actors) won't even talk cash, they rely on the agent to handle 100% of the financial side. I assume it would be the same with football agents in which case it sounds like Bolasie's agent dropped the ball, agreeing wages with Boro but not bothering to negotiate the details between the clubs.
89 Posted 29/10/2020 at 17:33:40
90 Posted 29/10/2020 at 17:41:20
Calvert-Lewin misses more than he scores. Moise Kean scores more than he misses. You can't say the Turkish team were inferior as even Neymar and Mbappe misread their chances. Moise Kean, as PSG said on Twitter, won that game and without him no goals. Mbappe got the two assists.
Say what you want about him – he knows how to score: one was back to goal, a little chip for himself to turnaround and score; and the other in front of goal, a well-placed header.
92 Posted 29/10/2020 at 18:55:02
I don't expect him to ever to put on an Everton shirt again as he obviously wanted out.
We move on.
93 Posted 29/10/2020 at 21:46:29
94 Posted 29/10/2020 at 22:19:01
His second against Istanbul has the ball bouncing off his leg but the defending was so cack he had time to have a swing at it.
Won't get such space in the Premier League.
95 Posted 29/10/2020 at 23:58:44
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