Blackpool 3 - 3 Everton
This afternoon, Everton clawed their way back from a dreadful start to draw 3-3 with Blackpool in their first pre-season friendly played behind closed doors.
Everton face Blackpool at Bloomfield Road this afternoon and Jonjoe Kenny (wearing No 28) has been named in the starting XI.
Ancelotti has also handed Jarrad Branthwaite a start and he partners Mason Holgate in central defence with Kenny and Lucas Digne the full-backs.
Alex Iwobi starts on the right, Tom Davies and Gylfi Sigurdsson are in the middle with Anthony Gordon on the left.
Richarlison and Bernard have yet to return to training while Yerry Mina and Jean-Philippe Gbamin are still not fit enough to play. Delph is being eased back in after his injury. Gomes picked up a minor knock.
A truly pathetic start to the game saw Everton give up a corner, and get sliced open on the workaround afterward, Hamilton easily beating Pickford with a smart shot inside the far post with Davies and Holgate yet to wake up.
Another excellent finish, this time from Kaikai, saw the Seasiders go 2-0 up inside 10 minutes, an incisive move cutting in from the right and the sweetest of curling strikes had Pickford been all hands down.
Less than a minute later and it was 3-0 to Blackpool, a with Everton utterly shameful in the ridiculous attempts to play out from the back, and play directly into trouble, with Ward whacking the ball home with more excellent control and power
With a quarter of the game gone, Calvert-Lewin pulled one back with a strong header that Nottingham helped into the net, but unclear why it was declared an own-goal.
Calvert-Lewin won a rather sly penalty that might not always have been given, Sigurdsson nonchalantly converting to add a small amount of respectability to the scoreline,
Moise Kean delivered one of those fine crosses that just begs to be converted but Calvert-Lewin decided to dummy it instead, for nought.
Gordon was fouled in a threatening location giving Sigurdsson a chance to show... what exactly? How utterly inept he can now be with a set-piece. A criminal lack of effort and precision in scooping his attempt toward the roof of the Jimmy Armfield stand.
Anelotti made four change at the break, Keane Jonas Lössl on instead of Pickford, Coleman, Keane and Walcott outfield.
Calvert-Lewin got a chance to shoot and emulated Sigurdsson's effort, shockingly high and wide. Iwobi did well to set up Walcott but his lazy shot just bobbled across the face of goal.
Four more changes on the hour mark saw aging fringe players Bolasie and Besic coming on with youngsters Gibson and Nkounkou.
A great ball forward from the fine-looking Nkounkou found Walcott who tumbled over inside the dee. This time Sigurdsson decided to show what he can do, perfectly curled inside the angle to bring the scores level.
Ellis Simms and Kyle John came on for the Everton goalscorers, Calvert-Lewin and Gylfi Sigurdsson, with 15 minutes remaining.
Bolasie looked to outwit the defender and lashed a fine angled shot but too close to the Blackpool keeper. An awful error by Mo Besic then set up Blackpool for an attack and shot that Lössl held onto well.
Everton: Pickford (46' Lössl), Kenny (46' Coleman), Holgate (60' Gibson), Branthwaite (46' Keane), Digne (60' Nkounkou), Iwobi (46' Walcott), Sigurdsson (76' John), Davies, Gordon (60' Besic), Calvert-Lewin (76' Simms), Kean (60' Bolasie).
Subs not Used: Virginia, Tyrer.
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1 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:40:34
2 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:41:42
3 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:41:49
4 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:43:46
5 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:45:27
6 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:46:49
7 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:49:40
8 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:51:01
9 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:54:52
12 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:58:45
As ever, it doesn't seem to be working. I'm logged in with my membership, and just seeing a still image about the live match. When I click on the play arrow, it displays my correct membership details, an option to log out, or to become a member.
When I click on my membership details it loops back to the still image of live match.
Every year. EVERY year it's the same. They really should have got this together by now.
13 Posted 22/08/2020 at 14:59:33
14 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:00:58
16 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:03:23
FFS, we really must be daft to stand for it.
17 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:05:06
18 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:06:29
Mason Holgate is now 4 (changed from 2).
Anthony Gordon is now 24 (changed from 42);
Jonjoe Kenny is now 28 (changed from 43).
Signals that the latter two are to be more involved? Holgate has taken a centre-back's number and left 2 free for a new right back. If Kenny was 2, then that would be a big statement.
19 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:06:37
20 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:08:23
21 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:09:35
3-0 down now.
22 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:09:51
23 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:10:32
24 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:10:35
25 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:11:09
26 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:12:36
27 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:13:51
28 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:16:16
All I see against a blue backdrop are the two club badges, Blackpool v Everton Behind closed doors.
They're spot on about it behing behind closed doors!!!
Consistently useless on delivery of live games when even lower league clubs have an easy and smooth service.
29 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:16:45
30 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:17:30
31 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:18:22
We look very poor all over the pitch, but the defence has been pathetic.
32 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:19:52
33 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:20:22
34 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:20:49
WTF is going on???!!!
Perhaps I'm blessed in NOT getting the stream!
35 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:22:11
36 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:26:09
37 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:26:19
Sigurdsson in the middle again??? Wtf!!
Iwobi wide left??? Wtf!!!
Kean wide right??? Wtf!!
Stupidly risking Digne??? Wtf!!
4-4-2 with that group of players??? Wtf.
38 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:29:30
Just won a penalty, right on the edge of the box. Soft pen but good to see Calvert-Lewin go down well. Gylfi pushed Calvert-Lewin away to take and score the penalty.
39 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:29:39
40 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:30:31
No such thing as a friendly in sport as far as I am concerned, this sort of thinking is why this club is a laughing stock.
What league are Blackpool in again?
41 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:31:50
42 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:32:35
You're doing a better job than the club site!
43 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:32:44
44 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:33:26
Branthwaite has looked like a kid. Gylfi has taken a penalty and overwise hasn't done anything.
Davies is the only one trying to do anything.
45 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:33:43
46 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:34:57
47 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:35:33
48 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:36:09
49 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:36:28
A loan to the Championship would do him good (just my opinion, of course!). He's the result of years of mismanagement.
50 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:38:12
He's surely the result of his own skillset?
51 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:38:32
Davies does this all the time and gets no credit. The lad never gets any credit for anything. I think he's good enough for the bench at least and will get better and better with age.
52 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:39:05
We can kid ourselves that Ancelotti has made the defence better: he hasn't, we still leak shit goals.
Our midfield is the worst I've seen at Everton since 1997-98 season and currently certainly the worst in this league.
Our lack of intelligence up front, Moise Kean is a substitute at best, plays the game with his head down and to me just looks like another Sandro.
Where are our wide options?
What the hell are we going to do at right-back against crafty quality sides?
I can only see a season of real struggle and one of a dog fight to reach 40 points.
53 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:40:25
54 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:44:21
He's played under what must be six managers in a few years and wasn't ready to be starting and got thrown into different systems and for me stunted his growth. I still don't think he knows what his best position is.
55 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:45:33
56 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:45:44
If he's 5th or 6th choice, then the criticism is extremely harsh. Yet Gylfi, our record signing doesn't get half the criticism Davies gets and it completely baffles me. Gylfi has been very poor again today. Holgate has had a nightmare, but yet Davies gets singled out. That's just ridiculous.
As for the game, we've turned it round well. It's only pre-season and, if we go on to win this and keep dominating midfield, then that's not as bad as was being made out.
57 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:49:52
I've said it a few times about Holgate, I'm bit scared of having an opinion but he's just not a great defender.
Fans think he's great because he can be good on the ball but that doesn't make a great defender (just ask John Stones).
I want to see a Richard Gough type defender throwing his head at things, reading moves before they happen, I'm not arsed if he can pass a ball.
We start this defence next season in certain games and we will struggle badly.
58 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:50:59
Not sure what Ancelotti's plan is to be honest. We look like eleven donkeys in a field.
59 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:51:10
Allan and Doucouré would transform our midfield and with Gomes and a hopefully fit Gbamin then Davies does fall down the order. I was suggesting a loan so the lad gets some stability, regular game time, and hopefully some confidence.
I think we can both agree that we both hope he gets back to that original promise! I'll stop spamming the comments section anyway! Here's hoping to a good second half!
60 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:56:40
61 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:56:53
The engine is there, but the brain is not in tune with being so deep. He's so slow he's often out the picture, but Tom Davies with his never-say-die attitude is always In the picture and so he gets all the criticism.
I call it the Tony Hibbert effect. He often got shit on here when it was bloody Jagielka who'd made the real error, but because Jags had pace and could recover, people unfairly turned on Tony.
62 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:57:53
63 Posted 22/08/2020 at 15:59:06
Sigurdsson has deteriorated so quickly, it's unbelievable and for me is a lost cause (wish he would get lost).
I like Tom Davies but he's just not quite up to the job in hand at the moment. He needs to improve his awareness for one thing. He never backs away from trying though, unlike some of the cowards we have in our squad.
64 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:00:05
Lössl on for Pickford;
Coleman on for Kenny;
Walcott on for Kean;
Keane on for Branthwiate.
65 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:01:07
66 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:01:55
67 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:02:34
68 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:04:49
I'd be in the minority agreeing with you, Steve.
69 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:05:13
You could see he'd been a very good player but the ale and the fags had taken their toll (lol).
70 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:05:33
Decorator, taxi driver... there must be something he is good at?
71 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:09:14
72 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:15:50
73 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:17:06
That could have been me!
74 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:17:24
Bolasie has 29, Nkounkou 19, Besic 30 and Gibson is still 37.
75 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:18:57
76 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:21:51
The sad thing is the incompetent idiots who scouted and bought these players have earned a small fortune and are probably still involved in bringing more shite onboard.
77 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:22:03
Then I thought: 'Shirt numbers'. Got it.
78 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:23:47
79 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:24:17
Brands should be working overtime to find him another club or simply pay up his contract if necessary... For Christ's sake, 'fall on your sword' for once! A stupid signing in the first place and not the only one sadly.
80 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:25:18
81 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:26:13
82 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:28:40
I would sell Richarlison, he clearly wants out... not to mention Sigurdsson and Walcott.
Don't expect any of those players though...
83 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:29:48
How are we looking going forward? Looking like equalising or even going on to win it?
85 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:30:26
86 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:31:24
Ellis Simms is wearing 50 and Kyle John has 48. Simms is up top. I think John is at right wing as Walcott looks more central (Number 10).
87 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:33:24
88 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:34:11
89 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:36:36
And again, playing out from the back, he just put it into the stands. The guy is not even Championship level.
90 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:37:27
91 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:40:10
92 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:48:51
For me it shows how, with just a few on extended jollies, we need better options in midfield and attack if the likes of Besic and Bolasie are named and played in today's squad.
93 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:50:11
94 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:52:00
Davies – as you'd probably expect from the only player who lasted 90 minutes – pretty much running the show in the second half.
Overall, absolutely fucking embarrassing. Different season, same shit. Thank fuck they're not going to let us back in the stadium til October at the earliest.
95 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:52:32
96 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:55:21
Didn't Barkley leave because he was being hassled by thugs?
Regardless, the problem we've had isn't that we get rid of good players. The problem is that we get rid of mediocre players and replace them with far more expensive mediocre players or crap players. So keeping them or selling them we are crap or mediocre.
A novel approach might be to replace mediocre players with good players
97 Posted 22/08/2020 at 16:57:07
Why can't Everton, at least, get this right?
98 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:00:55
I would also give Bolasie a start, instead of Iwobi, see if he can bring anything to the game with a couple of run outs.
99 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:05:17
100 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:08:25
It is no good just training the player, team training is what is required. Another truly horrific performance, slackers the lot of them. The standards at this club are just pathetic.
101 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:08:44
Blackpool are due to start their season proper in a week and clearly they were sharp and we had to find our sharpness as the game went on.
Who's fault was the early nightmare? No-one covered themselves in any glory and the midfield didn't protect the defence at all, with Gylfi anonymous. However, Holgate was asleep for the first and the third was an extremely careless pass from his own 6-yard box to the striker on the edge of the penalty area to slot home. Pickford might have done a bit better, although absolved of blame for all three goals by Griffiths in commentary.
For me, the turnaround came because Tom Davies wouldn't take this lying down and he got stuck in and tried to impose himself on the game. Once we were able to get on the ball, our players' superior quality showed and we were able to cut them apart easily.
Great header from a corner for Calvert-Lewin that got deflected on the way in. Calvert-Lewin won a soft pen and Gylfi scored from the spot. The equaliser was our best goal. Great ball from the young left-back, Niels Nkounkou, to get Walcott on the ball at the edge of the box and as he touched the ball, he was scythed down. "Too close to score" Darren Griffiths said in commentary, but Gylfi showed what he can do, and put it in the top corner.
Changes ruined the rest of the game, which had been entertaining. We were on top and should have won.
Pickford - didn't save anything
Lössl - made a save but distribution poor
Kenny - wasn't really his fault for being 3-0 down but hardly made a statement about playing time
Coleman - hardly touched it
Holgate - had a nightmare but he didn't let it affect him and was playing well by the end of the half
Keane - we looked much more solid with him on the pitch but he was poor in possession
Branthwaite - got better as the game went on but he looked his age
Gibson - looked a lot better than Branthwaite and was calm in possession
Digne - was poor in defence and whilst he got forward, his usual quality was lacking
Nkounkou - looked a bit erratic. Was great one minute and sloppy the next. Showed flashes of class and just needs to settle. He'll be a good player.
Davies - up and down as always, but never surrenders and played some nice passes as the game wore on, was our best player.
Sigurdsson - awol for the first 30, then played a few good passes and scored a couple of decent goals, a really terrific free kick. Still needs to be replaced despite that.
Besic - showed all the Davies critics what a real championship at best player looks like. Davies could pass better wearing a blindfold. The guy is Sunday league.
Gordon - industrious and dropped too deep when we were wobbling to try and help out. Once we got on the ball, he showed some nice touches. Still didn't really showcase his pace or his ability to beat a man.
Walcott - was just Walcott. Did well to get into good positions but couldn't finish his dinner.
Bolasie - not quite vintage Bolasie, but I don't think he's done. He's going to fight to get back into the side. Good luck to him as he seems a decent guy and it'd save us a few quid
Iwobi - anonymous at times but was playing well when we were on top.
John - never really got a chance to show himself but he chased well
Kean - where was he playing? One minute he was right wing and early on as we conceded the goals he was covering right back with Gylfi. Next he was up top as if in a 4-4-2. Looked lost but did show one glimpse of what he can do.
Simms - never got a sniff and looked a little scared when he lost out on winning the ball. Needs to bang the defender out of the way and make it his.
Calvert-Lewin - was isolated but helped get us level by dropping deeper and forcing his way into the game. Won the pen well and took his goal well. Looked a lot sharper than he was a few weeks ago.
Think that's them all!
102 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:11:03
103 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:13:21
Sigurdsson looked like the new Schneiderlin, Tom Davies went missing defensively for the first half-hour, Iwobi looked like a monkey on a stick (no racism intended) and Moise Kean looked like he couldn't be arsed because he's on his way.
I thought that was even more disgusting than the FA Cup loss to the RS kids. The players do not have any pride and there is no belief in the shirt.
Total clearout for me.
104 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:17:56
Davies is a League One footballer. Walcott is Sunday league. Iwobi is shite. Positives - Lewis Gibson and Nkounkou already look better than what we have and Lössl brings a calmer presence than that Turbo Chav, Pickford.
105 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:18:56
But... what I saw confirms everything I already knew. We lack quality through the spine of the team. There is no commanding leader at the back. We need a top class center-back to help bring through Holgate, Braithwaite, Gibson etc. All are good / look promising but are not always switched on and ready.
Midfield and forwards look very un-coordinated of who should be doing what. Sigurdsson looks peeved, I think he'd be happy to get a move away. Defensively there's a slow reactive engagement to closing down which leaves huge gaps for the opposition to pass through.
But this doesn't change when we have the ball. There's little movement and we slow the play down too much forcing us to pass back. That's 2 midfielders we need, 1 defensive and 1 attacking.
As for forwards, Bolasie gave a glimpse of what we need. He has pace, strength and is direct. We need that plus someone who can deliver consistent good passes, crosses or shots on target. Like Walcott, first touch and final ball is 1 in 4 at best. Just not good enough. The pair of them could be useful squad players but neither is the quality we need.
Calvert-Lewin has bulked up a little which is good to see. Moise Kean still looks lost and doesn't know how to get into the game.
Carlo is persisting with the defensive playout. I'm struggling to see a game plan. Are we a pressing team or a sit deep counter-attack team? Still a lot to do before I'm convinced we are moving forward to win silverware.
106 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:20:51
We have been awful in pre-season the last few years and that's exactly how it translated in the following months.
107 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:23:13
108 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:25:06
I follow Sporting (Lisbon) and Bolasie was on loan there last season. They had an absolute nightmare of a season, but still finished 3rd. They had 3 or 4 managers too. Bolasie was doing ok, but then the last change of manager resulted in the new guy getting rid of those who weren't going to be there next season as he wanted to use the end of the season to get the side ready to go.
It's not that Bolasie was poor there, far from it. It's that they couldn't afford his wages and he didn't justify being on more than the rest, including Bruno (Fernandes now of Man Utd). Putting that to one side, he was often one of their most dangerous players.
His pace was back, his tricks were back. He seems to have full movement. He could zig and zag, he did his pirouettes and danced on the ball like he does. So injury-wise, he's recovered.
Pace, yeah, I said it's back, but I hesitate. He's getting older now, he's past 30 and perhaps it is starting to go, but there's enough there for him to beat a man and I think he was always fast over 10 yards rather than 100 anyway.
We saw a glimpse that he can still send a cross in, but as always the quality is just not quite there. For Crystal Palace though, the sheer quantity of crosses into the box per game set him apart. If he can do that for us, and we've missed it, then Calvert-Lewin could make something of them. It doesn't always need to be a great cross for him to score.
Bolasie has been on a real charm offensive on social media and made it very clear he's committed to Everton and wants to play for us. Cynically, you may think, well he's got no other real option of Premier League football.
It's the last year of his contract and I doubt I'd give him a new one even if he does play and get back to his best. But I think we could worse than retain him, particularly if we can't land a top winger.
109 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:25:20
111 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:27:23
112 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:28:45
As it stands, lower midtable would appear to be a realistic aspiration which, in conjunction with a couple of embarrassing cup exits, is very depressing.
113 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:29:43
114 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:31:46
Gilfy still getting hammered, Davies still potential – seems a myopic view of Gilfy's fee is the order of the day. In the 17-18 season, he was played in the ACM roll... guess what – leading goalscorer!!! Season 18-19, to accommodate Rooney, is moved all around...
Gilfy had no influence on his fee, his wage is just £100k/wk. Rooney was on £160k/wk. Rooney scored 10 goals!!!!! By the way he scored 3 at home to Hammers, he also scored 2 or 3 penalties. Scored against The Gunners, Man City away... but it's okay – he is one of our own.
Davies really isn't going to make it at this level, he won't tackle, can't pass, but jogs about – he is always thereabouts but never actually there!!!
After this post, I ain't commenting on Davies as he just is not Premier League level – and anyone saying he had 100 appearances, how many are as a sub? And how many would he get in a top 6 team?
115 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:31:53
116 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:32:33
Anceloti is equally as culpable as his demeanor is of a man who expects those players to be motivated and ready, not unreasonable. However, my biggest concern is that his lack of energy in preparing the team, is transmitting to the players. However, the players are a disgrace.
It's about setting a tone, it's about who thinks they can grab a starting spot. Those players, well the majority of them seem to know either they are guaranteed a start or their future is elsewhere.
Worryingly we look very very short without a Richarlison, fodder if I'm being honest. It's got a touch of the 1998 side about it if I'm honest. New signings are of course imperative, but especially in terms of energy and optimism it's vital.
I'm getting a very bad feeling about this season.
117 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:41:08
Holgate needs a big kick up his backside and to realise that, even though he had a few good games last season, he is not guaranteed a first-team place as with all of the other players.
118 Posted 22/08/2020 at 17:41:21
Holgate, Kenny and Branthwaite together a little under-experienced. Keane and Mina to come in. Bolasie was decent when he came on.
A Sigurdsson free-kick was awful and much the same as last season but scored a wonderful goal as the game went on.
We're not going to turn into world beaters overnight. It's the goalkeeper that worries me.
119 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:00:25
120 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:00:41
Pleased that Simms and John got some minutes. Easier for them to step into a better-oiled machine than the present shambles, however. Tall order to shine in these circumstances.
Pleased also that Nkounkou looks good. If we do sign Allan and Doucouré, then stocking up on his ilk will stand us in good stead.
121 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:04:04
Watch how quickly the ball is repeatedly lost or played backwards when played to Walcott, Iwobi, Calvert-Lewin, Sigurdsson. Who's going to turn and run at defenders, play the killer pass, look for a 1-2 knowing they will get the ball played back to them where they want it?
I honestly don't know how Carlo sets the team up to play or what style of play we are in and out of possession. We seem to do a little bit of this and that but it's soon lost with little end product.
It was the same under the last few managers. Clearly several top class players to link and lead the way would help. Certain players always get criticism, mostly unfairly. But they would look a lot better playing in a top 6 side than they do playing for us.
It's a team game and as a team, managers and coaches included the repeated failure to get some basic patterns of play and effort is terrible.
As a fan I hope we can quickly identify and resolve the issues, whether it be a new player or simplifying players roles.
This friendly was a good run out for fitness. I'm not to bothered about the score but not being able to pass and keep possession better is embarrassing.
The first 15 minutes (not for the first time) showed us up and what little on-pitch leadership and communication there is. The words rocket and ass should have been repeatedly threatened at least.
122 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:13:01
The negatives sadly are Pickford saved nothing, Holgate and Jonjoe Kenny were both poor today (Kenny is not our saviour at right-back), Davies was his usual self, Gylfi deceived and, bar his set-pieces, did nothing, Iwobi is not a winger and neither is Kean and Besic was dire.
Signings will make a huge difference but they need to come quickly.
123 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:13:49
I missed it but from what you all say it sounds like a very scary continuance of the post-lockdown performances.
Is the new left-back likely to be pushing for a first-team place?
I was intrigued about Bolasie because he has looked sharp in the training clips and would be a good one to have in the squad if he is back to full fitness and the sharpness is there.
I like Tom and it was no surprise to hear that he was the one who dragged us back into the game. Gylfi is not a first-team player and neither is Walcott.
Carlo and Marcel have a lot of work to do on the training ground and with transfers.
124 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:15:09
This is what frustrates us as fans. We have no signings of note and today the same old same old. The only minor point of interest was whether Bolasie or Besic have transformed into players we can actually use.
We have a couple of friendlies left before we start again. No time for any potential new faces to settle in. Every year it's the same.
I am sure it's not easy to sign any player, let alone the ones you want but my worry is the lack of urgency which is spreading from the performances on the pitch to behind closed doors and even with the new stadium. It's all so mind-numbingly ponderous.
125 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:17:56
I was looking at his finish in the Cup against the RS. That was masterly. Why has he betrayed himself and us?
I agree with Steve Ferns about Bolasie.
127 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:27:37
128 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:30:56
Interesting that Bolasie might actually be in the picture somewhere. I believe someone else on TW was musing just the other day that it would be nice to see him contribute again, and since you follow Sporting your insight is helpful.
129 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:32:03
Let's hope that Allan and Doucouré can be secured as the clock is racing away, and we need some energy and fluidity in the whole team, as we can't keep the ball enough to dominate play.
Lössl, for me deserves a chance, and so I think this season he will get his chance, but Carlo, will know what type of game style he wants to play.
For me we need a proper captain, with nark and care on the park, and for the whole team, to play as if they genuinely care.
The attitude will hopefully improve next time we are out.
Hopefully we will have inspiration and belief and a couple of signings.
130 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:43:14
131 Posted 22/08/2020 at 18:54:43
132 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:01:23
133 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:11:48
Re: Bolasie, he seems determined to fight for a place, so why not give him a chance? I can picture a world in which he's a decent option off the bench.
134 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:23:21
135 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:24:02
Besic - showed all the Davies critics what a real Championship at best player looks like. Davies could pass better wearing a blindfold. The guy is Sunday league.
Also Walcott - the guy couldn't finish his dinner. LOL!
136 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:30:37
137 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:31:56
Did you get any manure? It's good on rhubarb.
138 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:35:09
Over a lifetime of watching what used to be called 'pre-season practice matches' I'm sure the last time I saw real effort was in the days when all that was allowed outside the season was Everton First X1 v The Rest. They used to kick shit out of each other!
139 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:36:19
140 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:43:37
141 Posted 22/08/2020 at 19:47:56
We are only considering Bolasie because Walcott, Bernard, Iwobi are all shite, Bolasie is too BTW, but we've all forgotten how shite he is, so he gets another chance because shitery (not a real word except at EFC) deserves a second chance, especially at £28 million and £70k a week (at 2017 prices!)
So if we're not going to sign another winger, we may as well see who is the best of our absolute shite wide players.
142 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:10:16
Hillingdon, Florian's, Plymouth, Rushden & Diamonds, Barnet, Bristol City.
In the last 8 seasons he's scored 23 goals, 3 per season for a forward.
Better get him on a longer contract before Barca step in.
143 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:15:25
I saw a comment that Davies drove us back into the game; really? Although my match feed was hit and miss, Davies didn't drive EFC today!!! What game were people watching?
Blackpool's 3rd, although the ball was coughed up by Holgate, Davies sauntered over to Blackpool's No 8 as he shot, Holgate blocked the shot before the final strike for 3-0.
In all fairness, total shite. Sigurdsson was shit, but the rest of them were at an unbelievable level of shittest player of the match. Come on, guys, let's be realistic in our comments and observations.
144 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:24:04
Shocking, really. Half a billion to get to here. We have essentially made less than zero progress, stultified with overpaid failures sucking big money, mixed like oil and water with others lacking experience and development, and in the worst scenario to get it. It's almost like a managed decline.
145 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:40:26
Moshiri is getting robbed, and he's letting people do it! Unbelievable.
146 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:43:16
The character on display out there today bodes well for our relegation battle this season. Hopefully after we get taken apart by Spurs, we can show similar resolve (like today) and battle to a home point against the Baggies.
Tom Davies was MotM for me without question. One of his touches actually went where he intended it to. The Ancelotti effect is in full flow.
147 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:46:31
148 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:47:59
149 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:50:26
Cynicism aside, for the first time in many years, I am fearful of this new season. We can't buy until we sell and we can't sell because the players we want to get rid of are shite!!
Carlo can walk away an even richer man than when he came but we are stuck with this crap and have nowhere else to go.
150 Posted 22/08/2020 at 20:52:17
I'll wait to see who we sign before forming a proper opinion about this season but let's get new players in now and not at the arse end of the window. If we sign the likes of Allan and/or Doucouré on deadline day, it'll take them until Xmas to get up to speed.
This season will be tougher than most – reduced (or no) fans at games and three good teams coming up from the Championship. We need to quickly banish the awfulness of last season as soon as possible and, above all else, cannot afford to be complacent.
151 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:14:18
152 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:29:02
I remember constantly challenging Stan Schofield on here when he reckoned we had a good squad but the problem was the manager. I was the opposite. Stan hasn't posted for ages, I hope he's okay, but I still reckon I'm right,
153 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:33:55
154 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:36:31
Let's hope this doesn't become the relegation battle that many of us predict.
155 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:37:57
156 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:39:49
Carlo was apparently assured that he would have money to spend; if this was untrue, then he will no doubt walk. If true, then Brands needs to get moving before more of our targets are snapped up by other clubs.
I get the sense that most on here are reaching a point where our situation is starting to look precarious to say the least. The club needs to take decisive action with incomings and outgoings before supporters start dropping by the wayside.
157 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:52:59
I share your concern. We knew a few weeks ago that we needed several new players in well before the new season kicks off in order to stand a chance of a step up from the dreadful restart games. Today, we were treated to a reminder of what will happen next season without quality upgrades.
Problem is that the transfer window doesn't close until early October – with much of the business being concluded late as clubs, agents and players prevaricate in the hope of attracting interest from better clubs.
It'll take Brands most of the window to ship out the unwanted – the majority of these will be free transfers and/or loans with Everton picking up a percentage of the players' salaries. If – as has been suggested by other posters – we need to shift before we can sign, don't be surprised if the deals happen late.
Like others, I wonder if Carlo is wondering if it's worth the effort – but hope he does.
158 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:53:59
He never stood out for us, let alone pre-injury. Has the ambition of this club and us fans fallen so far? The squad we have today is plainly not good enough and we desperately need a new midfield.
I used to get so annoyed at Bolasie, who had all the pace and the potential in the world, continually not take his man on, one on one, and bottle every tackle. We need rid of him and about another half a dozen.
159 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:55:14
Some of these players are awful, and nearly all have suffered what's becoming a worrying trend in recent times: players turning to shit when they join Everton, and affecting some already here.
I've said it enough times that I bore myself now – there is something deeply wrong in the DNA here. Carlo has a job on his hands.
160 Posted 22/08/2020 at 21:58:17
161 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:02:54
Brands is way out of his depth at Everton and has absolutely no understanding of what the supporters expect.
Get rid of him immediately and let Ancelotti appoint his own man to conduct transfers, before he considers walking away from our shambolic club.
162 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:07:05
163 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:16:49
164 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:17:58
165 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:18:40
There has been a tendency to play players just because a lot of money was spent in transferring them in and the contracts they were on. This was very noticeable during the Big Sam and Silva eras. No-one seems to want to tell Moshiri that crap was brought in. I hope it is not going to happen in the Ancelotti era. It is not inconceivable what you say is true.
You also would have thought that scouting of potential transfer targets would have been an ongoing process throughout the year. But here we are again, biding for players well over 26, agreeing favourable personal terms and getting into biding wars again in the last two weeks of August. It is likely that Everton will fall short of getting what they require.
It would have been better to have in players earlier, before pre-season started, so they get settled into the squad and get time to adapt to the team play and coaching. When you take Napoli out of the Clubs we are dealing with, the range is not wide.
I do believe that Everton need a Director of Football. But I do have a problem with Brands as a Director of Football, with a seat on the Board, in that his accountability is vague. Even a manager of Ancelotti's standing must be wondering about this.
I also don't like that it is being reported that a role for Baines is being created, according to Denise Barrett-Baxendale, with details being finalised by Brands. I doubt Ancelotti would have or want any input into this.
Also it was reported that the Head of Therapy, Ian Donahie (remember, he was sacked by Martinez) reportedly said it was great so many players were back fit and fresh at Finch Farm this week. On the performance today and the players available, this does not appear to be the case. Some have posted that Blackpool are well into their pre-season, why are Everton not?
I just don't like questions arising like this in pre-season.
166 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:19:32
167 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:20:19
I can see him walking away from this shambles.
168 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:20:26
Sigurdsson was signed when Walsh was around in 2017.
Brands joined at the end of the 2017-18 season in May 2018.
169 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:24:59
170 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:27:15
Interesting that, since then, we have failed to get that strong centre midfielder and striker.
171 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:32:21
Spot the difference when we were 'taken over'. The same people pretending to be ambitious.
172 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:37:33
It's not just Liverpool, both Leipzig and Sevilla are able to buy good players under 22, in the same market that Everton is pissing about in, for top prices of £22million and players over that age for £17million.
Sevilla in the Summer of 2019-20 season pretty well replaced their first team. These teams can account for themselves well in European competitions.
173 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:42:04
An unfathomable waste of money when the team and supporters have been crying out for goals, goals, goals from the midfield for a decade, to provide entertainment and make us more successful.
Instead, we've never progressed from the zombie football stage.
174 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:43:30
Funny thing is, like Sevilla this year, Koeman had to do a complete rebuild at Southampton as virtually the whole team left. It worked out for them.
It does make me wonder about our extravagant spending. Does all this money go where it should or does some come back to individuals via brown paper bags at motorway stops?
175 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:44:40
176 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:45:23
(a) To spend circa £50M net every so often, recouped on the occasional big sale;
(b) Stay vaguely competitive in the top flight; and
(c) Build a stadium and dock redevelopment with Usmanov steel.
I don't think there's more to it. The top / big 6 will always outspend us so will generally have better players. We're not trying to compete. Brands and Ancelotti have a different objective to the fans.
Breaking the top 6 and getting a run in the Europa League now and again is the absolute peak of the club's ambitions. Possibly until Brands can piece together a side of greater quality from academy players and additions like Branthwaite and Nkounkou...
177 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:59:11
178 Posted 22/08/2020 at 22:59:37
Everton are known for nothing currently. There's no reason for a player on the up to come to the club. We l have little to no expertise in recruitment or overhauling a business. We are in big trouble, no mistake.
179 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:07:19
180 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:10:38
Kenwright, who clearly thinks we're a brilliantly-run club that needs more money;
Barret-Baxendal, who has done fabulous work for EitC, while appearing unable or unwilling to drive the club and business to genuine ambition and success; and
Moshiri, who appears to have been taken in by the misty-eyed nonsense the other two spout.
They are all making the mistake of thinking that lashing out on a 'big name' manager will solve everything. It won't.
Chelsea and Man City had/have money. They have competence & ruthlessness running through the club like the words on a stick of rock. Leeds didn't... We don't... and ultimately, in my view, we don't want it enough to make the changes we need.
If we're not prepared to change the club and its mindset, we'd have been better off bringing in someone like Dyche, who at least gets the best out of a group of half-decent players and might just do more with 'better' players.
I can see Carlo getting worn down by them, like the others.
181 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:16:19
Look, it may quickly become apparent that he's not good enough and that will be that, but I'm not sure how people can complain that he's stealing a wage, then get pissed off when he's given an opportunity to prove himself.
182 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:19:21
I think the stuff about Ancelloti being angry about transfers is pure tabloid tripe. He knew what he was coming into and the window still has ages to run. We will undoubtedly buy new players and there's not much we can do about the likes of Højbjerg and Gabriel preferring London clubs over us.
It is what it is. Nil Satis is miles away.
183 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:24:57
This Summer transfer window could end up the same as last, minus the Zaha saga. I'm beginning to think the teams Everton are dealing with do not need backhanders, because Everton are a soft touch anyway. The problem I have now is, if the DOF cannot deliver what the manager requires, is he actually doing his job?
Robert #176 and Paul #180,
I think there is an element of truth in that, but I also think that Kenwright & Co thought that money was the missing ingredient, oblivious to the fact that they had not the required ability in the first place.
With Moshiri's hands-off style, the running of the club is being left to others, with a fair amount of input by Kenwright & Co. It may be that the only objective left after that is to develop the stadium and see his shares, which Moshiri bought at a discount, increase in value, and letting his mate have a slice of that.
I don't think that Everton is serious about competing in any competition they enter. The objective is still to maintain Premier League status, as it has been for over 20 years. If they get into Europe, it will be viewed as a bonus, without any preparation for a successful run in such competitions.
I don't think Ancelotti will walk; he will probably come to the conclusion of: Why worry? He will fade into retirement on his contract, which will be probably be openly extended.
They have no appearance of being overly bothered and Ancelotti will take the hint, lulling into the easy life.
184 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:45:24
I think in Brands and Ancelotti we have a world class structure. However, I can't fathom our strategy. Surely we should be buying young and developing: Richarlison, Keane, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin are great examples.
Now we seem to be pivoting to players who are better, but have no development or resale value. £55M on Allan and Doucouré, whilst improving us, is essentially more ‘dead' money.
185 Posted 22/08/2020 at 23:52:00
Given the ongoing presence of our chairman at or near the top, I just wonder if any TWers can identify three clubs more likely to be relegated next season than us, the promoted clubs aside?
Yes, today was only a pre-season friendly against, as one chap says above, in terms, "a battle-hardened" League One team about to professionally begin its own campaign, but to be 3-0 down early in the first half is deplorable. To have drawn the match is deplorable.
The silence from Moshiri and the boardroom on transfers (Question: Who's in charge, Moshiri or the boardroom?) is laughable.
We've had many many years of Kenwright avoiding scrutiny at his whim (abandoned AGMs – remember?) for his dubious conduct whilst he allowed Green, Earl and Leahy to almost certainly fuck our club over to their personal financial advantage (Kenwright endorsing the disgraced Green as "The Mozart of Money" in the process).
Is Moshiri just another Kenwright, seeking to get rich and fuck the consequences for the fans, or is he abysmally thick in that he still cannot identify the cancer that pervades our club?
186 Posted 22/08/2020 at 00:05:09
Why? We are a 12th-place finisher in the Premier League, we are in no European competitions, and have changed managers over the last couple of seasons, and that shows instability.
The only thing that this club can offer is a first-class training facility and a world renowned manager. Players know that they may only have a short time in the game and so they want medals and trophies and will go to the clubs that offer that chance.
We, as supporters, when a player says he doesn't want to come, have the attitude of, "If he doesn't want to come, we don't want him" instead of asking: Why doesn't he want to come? This transfer window is going to be very difficult and I will not be surprised if we only get 2 or 3 players in, I would be happier if we got 4 or 5 out.
The end of last season was a real wake-up call of how poor we had become both mentally, tactically and fitness-wise. These problems should be able to be coached as bringing in a couple of new players still leaves 8 or 9 from the previous season.
We are going to rely on Brands and Ancelotti, for this season, if they are capable, as we need stability in the team; we can't expect to be in the top 4 but we have to be at least in the top 8
Reputations have to be earned, not written about; it's time to earn them, we don't want to hear (Con Te Partiro) or Time to Say Goodbye.
187 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:16:24
I know I'm in the minority, but I would replace Holgate. We obviously need the likes of Doucouré, Allan, a centre-half, and a goalscorer at least.
188 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:36:25
Signing several of them may, in favourable circumstances beyond our control (namely other clubs unexpectedly achieving our sort of mediocrity), result in 6th or 7th a best – unless Moshiri takes a figurative machine gun to those he's hitherto blindly trusted.
Does he have the courage, insight and ambition though?
189 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:42:14
Why does it take this club weeks to buy a player? I'm convinced the club are praying bigger clubs come in for them.
The difference now is we have a world class manager who wants to win. Our board have never had that before.
Pay a Jo average manager a big salary and tell him to shut up when transfers never happen. Carlo will tell it the way it is. He will soon realise and lose patience and move on. It's the Everton Way!
190 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:44:53
As of now, there's no team I can see that's clearly worse than us. Hopefully we will discover at least three.
On signings, a bunch of fans were lauding Kenwright for recruiting Baines (completely unproven as anything but a player) into an unspecified backroom roll.
On the rumours, I've been hearing things like “Doucouré isn't as inconsistent as Sigurdsson, Allan is not as old as Barry” as positives. I remember when we could say “Dave Watson is even better than Mountfield, Kanchelskis is even better than Limpar.” Now, the bar is “not as bad as” which pretty much summarizes Kenwright's tenure.
191 Posted 23/08/2020 at 01:49:38
Selling him would be at the club's behest, getting maximum value from a player we bought. That would be a start and actually show some leadership, rather than waiting to be put out of our misery when we wants to leave and we get screwed for it. It would demonstrate a plan and signal a proper rebuild.
192 Posted 23/08/2020 at 01:55:03
The appalling transfer policy over the last few years has left us with very little wriggle room as far as FFP is concerned.
I have been saying ages that, if you look at the nature of Moshiri's buy-in, it seems naive. To leave the man who was responsible for the club's demise in charge is barely believable.
Walsh and Brands did not become bad operators overnight. You just have to look at their respective successes at their previous clubs; their employment by Moshiri was perfectly logical – the change in the type of player they apparently sought to bring in was not.
The other thing that has puzzled me is the constant rumours that Usmanov is going to come in as a full partner, instead of dancing around the periphery. Why would he be so reticent?
The answer to all these conundrums is Buffalo Bill. His desire to retain even a modicum of control is strangling this club and his selfishness is beyond belief given that he professes his undying love for all this blue.
The make-up of the current board suits him down to the ground since there is never a majority to take him on.
193 Posted 23/08/2020 at 03:02:09
194 Posted 23/08/2020 at 03:31:10
195 Posted 23/08/2020 at 04:49:36
Selling your best player while having"severe doubts about our ability to finish in the top half"... with no assurances on being able to use the money to bring in equal talent in this abbreviated window... is a ticket to a relegation battle.
196 Posted 23/08/2020 at 05:15:22
And if the answer is that we should be able find good talent at cheap prices, then why not keep Richarlison and just shell out for a couple of those cheap but good signings, once identified?
197 Posted 23/08/2020 at 05:16:03
Surgically removing Kenwright from our club would probably be waaay harder than trying to separate conjoined twins.
How long, I mean... how long will it take??? I don't mean to remove him – I mean before the whole fanbase susses this malingering control freak out?
198 Posted 23/08/2020 at 06:58:08
I, like all other ToffeeWeb readers, am fed up of Everton being slow at bringing players in until the last week of transfer window... when we sign crap!!!
Just go and get the players Marcel and Carlo need and have them injected into the side... then hopefully a strong season is required as coming 12th is not acceptable for a club of our stature.
199 Posted 23/08/2020 at 07:30:31
200 Posted 23/08/2020 at 07:57:53
People rave about Davies being MotM – sorry but I didn't see any evidence of that yesterday, or maybe I missed that in the first 20 minutes.
There were encouraging signs for me though: Nkounkou, Lewis Gibson, even Lössl brought a bit of security between the posts, although his distribution is a bit suspect. Considering he was out of position, I thought Gylfi proved he can still offer something.
Overall, it was patently obvious that we do need several players to come in, but we do need to ship a few out too (not easy, and after yesterday, increasingly difficult).
It would have been good to see a new signing or two in yesterday's outing, but the transfer merry-go-round has not been very active for other clubs so I'm not unduly worried yet!
201 Posted 23/08/2020 at 08:04:39
We have set the high wage and assured a good fee, then they have gone to a club that can offer European football.
It is reality: we have to build from a difficult and weak starting point as an also-ran mid-table club. It leaves us with a much more difficult task of getting the right players in at fair prices.
Allan, who is 30 in a few months, Napoli want £30M for. We need a real central midfielder like him. Carlo wants him, but would any of the top six clubs be paying £30M plus £20M wages for a 30-year-old central midfielder?
Okay, we need to get a player Carlo wants so we have to appreciate that and pay the money. One senior player in may provide stability and a foundation Carlo can build from.
But, apart from that, we need to be looking at younger up-and-coming players who are not oven-ready for the Champions League clubs. Ones that may flourish at Everton, have their careers in front of them, and have fitness, energy and hunger in abundance.
Sam or Robert on here could give you a dozen players who can fulfill that brief. Surely we are a better destination than Southampton for Salisu, or Burnley for Santamaria? There's other players we could assess and tempt: Sarr, Sangare, Buendia, Brooks, Aarons, the aforementioned Santamaria – to name a few.
These players may cost a lot of money but it is not money wasted. These players are investments, they are assets. They can grow and improve with the club, and this gives us the only chance of creating a new forward-thinking Everton and an identity we can embrace.
I am begging the club to follow this path, get Allan in for Carlo. Then, get two or three younger hungrier players in, burgeoning with obvious potential, to give the club its energy and mojo back.
202 Posted 23/08/2020 at 08:35:41
Is Carlo trying to emphasize our shortcomings to the board?
203 Posted 23/08/2020 at 08:39:13
Perhaps it's a good thing that we're not hearing any comments and this might help us get new signings over the line. But it is damned frustrating!
204 Posted 23/08/2020 at 08:42:53
Holgate came out with the usual "must do better" this season. Well, as we have seen, nothing has changed. We are crap.
No amount of mouthing-off; off the field means zilch. I wish these players would grow a pair and start shouting on the field. Show some passion.
205 Posted 23/08/2020 at 08:55:34
"And Moshiri, who appears to have been taken in by the misty-eyed nonsense the other two spout. "
Unfortunately if you included Brands in that sentence, it would not be out of place.
206 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:05:55
Only at Everton could this be possible – the disastrous transfer dealings of the past 4 or 5 years will finally bite us on the arse.
207 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:07:46
To be caught so cold is very worrying and shows both a complete lack of professionalism and a total lack of belief in what they are supposed to be doing.
I only saw the goals, the third one Pickford takes an age giving it to Holgate, who is actually receiving the ball on the half-turn?
Who do you blame, the keeper for taking too long, the centre-half for taking to long, or the tactics?
I know it's pre-season, but the players should be in great shape the way the last few months have panned out, and if a team is three-down within 15 minutes, the obvious shout would be – “Let's play in there fucking half” until we get the players who can do it.
208 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:10:22
209 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:26:24
Just like 'Carlo's Army' (family), they will be here for the money and hard to get rid of – just another step towards the Championship and ruination.
I have little doubt that we shall see 're-Brandsing' in the not too distant future!
210 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:26:31
Moshiri, Kenwright, Brands and Lady Wotsherface couldn't run a local branch of the Women's Institute – never mind a top-flight football club. I am worried, very worried, about our future – and so should you be.
211 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:37:31
Look at the players: you never see real anger, a shrug of the shoulders as they turn away from each other in mock disappointment, and nobody taking any real responsibility (except maybe a struggling Tom Davies).
It's not their fault, and that will do for them. A collective shambles hiding behind a belief that it's not their fault. Everton are absolutely desperate for a couple of players with personality; otherwise, the unthinkable might just arise.
212 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:41:54
That eerie silence was broken somewhat by the update from the CEO this week – this update, whilst sharing some positive stuff, also left me a little concerned. CEOs providing carefully crafted updates out the blue – trying to rally troops and keep spirits high – seen it all before in real life.
It'll be interesting to see Chong's stadium update that's been promised.
213 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:43:50
On the evidence of last season, especially since the restart, I for one will be delighted with 17th or higher. And maybe 5th round in the FA Cup. Dreamer that I am.
214 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:48:29
I'm hoping that the reported 'conflict' between Moshiri and Brands is showing a hint of unhappiness from the owner.
I'm also wondering whether Brands will be seen as a separate branch of incompetence, to be sacrificed to protect the deeper-rooted problems.
Easier to get rid of an 'outsider', who 'doesn't get us', isn't it?
215 Posted 23/08/2020 at 09:54:18
Sunderland, IMO, is a terrifying example of how a club can implode through bad management. From being a mid-table also-ran Premier League club (like us) to now being in the 3rd tier with no hope of getting out anytime soon.
If Ancelotti was promised funds which have now disappeared (the Everton Way?), he will ask for his money and walk. He doesn't need this amateurish shit – and, quite frankly, neither do I.
216 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:03:31
218 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:12:45
Colin & Tony - I fear your analysis may be sadly spot on.
219 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:15:38
If Bill Kenwright is still sticking his oar into the transfer negotiations, then it is little wonder they are in chaos.
Moshri needs to tell him to keep out of it and leave it to the professionals.
220 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:21:37
I see few 'professionals' left – a clearout is needed from top to bottom
221 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:21:41
I think Brands came into a very divided club, I'd love to know what his net spend is, but the bad recruitment started last year and we still haven't recovered from it.
It's obvious Delph is going the minute Allan comes through the door, but we are still stuck with a lot of deadwood, and it's really crippling us.
I'm sure the club would love to be able to take a deep breath and pause, but football doesn't stop for nobody, and once average players get these massive contracts, they take some shifting.
Money down the drain is one thing, but our drain is blocked, and it's clogging us up. We spent at will and now suffer the consequences. We all love money but it's not always the answer, especially when you have got loads of players getting but not earning their absolute fortune without a care in the world – or so it seems.
222 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:32:25
We look crap and potential relegation fodder. We lack people with grit and fight to take the game by the scruff of the neck and sort it.
All most of them take is the piss.
223 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:33:14
One wonders, considering how we were so heavily linked with him pre Covid-19, if Ancelotti had been informed of this target, and how we have made moves to sign him, as a statement of intent, showing Ancelotti that we will invest and improve.
Now that ship has sailed, and we appear to have missed out on a real coup.
Let's just admit that we are midtable. The 80s are long gone. We are a mid-table team, a small club in a city with a global powerhouse as neighbors.
In the eyes of the wider world, we like Espanyol.
224 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:37:10
Bolasie and Besic made brief appearances yesterday to put them in the shop window. They are not being considered for the team.
Sandro must be one of the worst signings of all time and we could be stuck with him and others for a few more years.
225 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:42:00
The first 15 minutes of the game yesterday were a complete shambles, even the consistent Holgate was all over the place. Maybe that first 15 minute was a Godsend for Carlo, as it highlighted to everyone including Moshiri, Kenwright and Brands that, unless you get the players he wants quickly, next season could see more of this.
He played everyone who was eligible as if to say "This is all I have got to work with." We have known that this group failed under Koeman and failed under Silva – how much longer will it take for the penny to drop? This squad is bottom-half-of-the-league quality.
Sigurdsson was anonymous for most of the game but, having said that, he took the corner which Calvert-Lewin scored from, then took the penalty, and finally a very well-taken free-kick to level the scores.
Without Richarlison, we looked absolutely toothless up front. I see some tabloids reporting it would take an offer of more than £140 million to prise him away from Everton. With the options at present available to Carlo, let's hope nobody puts a bid in.
Yes I know it's the first game in pre-season, but all of the old faults in these individuals are still there. Moshiri – you need to get Ancelotti's targets in quickly; otherwise, you will be looking for your 6th manager in 5 years.
226 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:43:10
I can see Ancelotti walking away, there are rumours he is not happy already with his two top priorities signing for other clubs. If that happens, we will be shopping in the Second Division for managers as we are for players.
227 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:44:48
Disappointed to miss out on Gabriel as he looked a good fit but there are other options.
I know we also missed out on Højbjerg but is anyone on here really that fussed? Spurs don't look stronger with him, put it that way. I'd rather have Ndombele.
228 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:48:14
Imagine the opening match in the shiny new stadium being against Rotherham or Millwall...
229 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:49:41
What's the answer? I'd love someone to come out and tell us something, especially if it was an acknowledgment of how badly they got it wrong, and they have now started to slowly revolutionise the whole club, whilst we continue to be so badly hampered by past mistakes.
We need a boost and we need players with spirit and personality, even if that player is 35, it's imperative because some soft feathers need to be ruffled.
230 Posted 23/08/2020 at 10:54:32
I got an email from Denise Barrett-Baxendale last week. Lots of nice stuff praising the fans and the club's community work. Nothing about acknowledging the disappointment of dreadful recruitment, results and performances. Nothing about what's going to be done to put that right this season.
That email from the top sums up everything that is wrong with EFC at the moment. The indifference to performance runs through the club and business like the words through a stick of rock.
231 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:00:57
Just look at the recent Barrett-Baxendale outpouring – these guys are running the club into oblivion. It is an absolute disgrace that they offer the same self-congratulatory missives, offering all the non-boat-rocking cronies jobs inside the club and then spending money on what are little more than Championship level players.
The present football standing of Everton is now so low – we are irrelevant to all except ourselves who hold the club so dear.
232 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:03:20
It is hard to imagine clubs queuing up to sign Bolasie, Besic, Delph or any of the other inadequates who make up our numbers. Yesterday's outing at Blackpool will have done nothing to ignite any interest.
Unless or until there are significant departures, two or three signings are the most we can expect with central midfield the obvious, overriding priority. Even that modest objective is beset with difficulty. As we have already seen with Højbjerg, if a player has the option of going to a bigger club, that is where he will go.
Where do we go from here? Strengthening in midfield is an imperative. Beyond that, the message Moshiri needs to deliver to Carlo and the players is that it is time they pulled their collective finger out and performed like a team instead of a bunch of uninterested, distrait individuals.
233 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:04:15
I also was hoping that there was tension between Moshiri and Brands over interference. I do think that Brands has initiated changes at youth level, which would be in line with your fair point on youth development. I do think Brands is on shallow ground, though he is on the Board and is working with Kenwright and Barrett-Baxendale, buying into their 'misty-eyed nuisance', eg, Baines.
Brands's future is determined by how Ancelotti's expert opinion is expressed and how much heat it generates for the hierarchy.
I don't like Ian Donachie (Bill's mate), Head of Therapy, being confident enough to express a positive opinion on player fitness and readiness. Head of Therapy is a key role at Everton. Previousl, y Donachie, a physiotherapist, was sacked by Roberta Matinez (B Sc Physiotherapy), and replaced by his understudy over soft-tissue injury recovery.
The understudy was gone before Xmas the following season and a Medical Consultant was brought in as Director of Medical Services, a part-time role and, after that, Donachie arrived back as Head of Therapy on the same salary as before.
I refer to Darren Burgess, High Performance Manager, who laid foundations of the changes in performance levels at both Liverpool and Arsenal in this last five years:
''The players often ran the place. In a lot of clubs, masseurs and physios in particular, as they spend a lot of time with players and provide them some relief, can develop really strong relationships. That can make it a little bit harder for people — doctors, physios and other therapists — to have the really difficult conversations.
"I think there was a reluctance of some of the people involved to use hard training as protection, and so instead they'd do more rest and recovery. Because that was the easy option.
"It's easier to sell to players, in particular. Essentially there's been a fair bit of research that shows that if you can build up players' resilience to hard training, that the impact of a game becomes less and less because your body is accustomed to it.
"Hard work is the best form of injury prevention and injury protection. You should be slowly but deliberately building up people's training tolerance because then, in December and January, when the games come thick and fast, the players are used to it. ”
Going by Burgess's thinking, in my opinion, this is a long-running problem at Finch Farm, with Donachie being the main protagonist. It explains poor fitness, low energy performances, apathy, and recurring and poor injury recovery rates at Everton.
Ancelotti brought in changes by putting in Head of Physical Conditioning, Francesco Mauri, at the same level as Director of Medical Services, in the Medical Services structure and other staff at other levels.
This change explains Seamus Coleman's quotes of changes in training intensity levels, which shows that Burgess and Ancelotti are of the same thinking. But this only applies to players who are available for training, where Donachie has his input. If Burgess was in charge of performance levels, Donachie and his crew would be gone.
That's why I am concerned about Donachie's comments on squad fitness and readiness, which is the opposite opinion to posters on ToffeeWeb on fitness and player availability, that watched the game, Donachie appears not bothered by too much pressure.
234 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:11:20
There is talk of Villa wanting the Celtic forward, I know you want us to sign him. I would like him myself after hearing a Celtic scout tell me he would be perfect for the blues, and Schneiderlin has just come out and said why he signed for Everton, with it being nothing to do with our club.
I think you make a great point, why not bring in someone from the outside? Frustration is bubbling away under the surface, with plucky little Everton, now being replaced with shitty fucking Everton, lets hope Brands gets a few players in during the next week.
235 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:12:03
Seriously, I cannot think of a worse time to be an Evertonian. We are now a dreadfully boring mid-table team without any hope of winning a clod. We can no longer attract high-calibre players and we don't seem to be able to build a team in the way that Seville or Leipzig can.
We have appointed one of the most successful and well-respected managers in world football on big wages to oversee a bunch of overpaid no-hopers. There are 20 days until the start of a new campaign and we haven't signed anyone. I can see Carlo leaving before Christmas.
Our owners really don't have a clue.
236 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:18:17
237 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:22:25
238 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:22:53
Fast forward to the end of the season. It will be dismal and Carlo will have gone. This is the Everton Way. Kenwright has defeated me.
239 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:35:08
That would resemble a proper transfer strategy and make sure the club had covered its bases both financially and on the playing side.
Who knows Richarlison may want to stay on if we are making giant strides and in Europe.
240 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:35:16
No club is too good to go down and no clubs history get's you a few more points, this is the here and now and an Oxford United moment is the only thing we can hope for.
241 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:38:19
God, I really can't stand that man. Just go.
242 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:50:27
All they can muster is set pieces, a penalty, a free kick and a header from a corner in reply.
We can make all the excuses in the World but they don't wash anymore. The writing is on the wall for another awful season.
243 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:50:37
244 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:52:52
I watched the second half of Dundee Utd vs Celtic last night and had a good look at Eduardo. If you watched the game, Paul, did he have an off game? He looked a bit lethargic to me, to be honest...
Although Celtic did most of the pressing, a lot of their team didn't play with any real aggression, so maybe I watched Celtic and Eduardo on a bad day.
245 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:54:12
I watched the game, and agree with Steve: Davies did put in a shift, he's not a defensive midfielder, but that's the position he's being asked to play, because we have no-one else.
I would also agree with Steve, Sigurdsson offers absolutely nothing from open play, and Barkley was way better. Ancelotti is totally pissed that Brands still hasn't signed any of his targets, still haggling over fees – look at what happened with Gabriel.
I listened to Schneiderlin: he came to Everton because of Koeman, and it was Koeman who signed Bolasie, Sigurdsson, Rooney and Klaassen – three No 10's – and no striker. Why did Walsh get all the blame?
246 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:54:43
I too can see Carlo leaving before Xmas if the so-called promised transfers do not happen!
I'm not aware of Carlo ever walking away; however, he must be wondering what he's let himself in for!
If Bill Kenwright is still involved in transfers, nothing will happen until the final day of the window, and then it will be panic buys again!!!
I do agree with keeping your powder dry over who we are genuinely looking to bring in.
But Kenwright will scupper any progress Brands makes with his constant attempts to influence a reduced fee deal.
I hope I'm wrong about Carlo leaving, but could you honestly blame him if he did?
247 Posted 23/08/2020 at 11:56:35
248 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:02:54
It's the classic "tail wagging the dog" syndrome and is acceptable to Moshiri as long as we maintain Premier League status that will assist in his ultimate aim of building the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium with backing from his mate Usmanov and being in pole position – in conjunction with Peel Holdings – to reap fantastic monetary rewards in the regeneration of the northern docks.
Other clubs, Man City, Liverpool etc, have the ethics correct: namely, we are a football club with a burning desire to achieve the highest accolades. Could you imagine the owner, money men and managers of these clubs putting up with the club's directors appearing to be more concerned in charitable work – no matter how laudable they may be?
The Baines situation to me sums up our charitable views: let's give a multi-millionaire a job within the club... maybe he can help Sharp, Ferguson, Cahill etc build and polish Uncle Bill's trainset and spend an evening or two reading nursery rhymes to charitable patrons.
Charity begins at home, let's hope that Moshiri wises up to the fact sooner than later – otherwise, Bramley-Moore Dock will become the finest charity doss-house in the world.
For God's sake, wake up, Everton, and smell the coffee! The ridicule and laughter at this once famous club is deafening!!! I live in Greater Manchester and the derision shown by Man City and Man Utd fans toward the charity that is Everton is overwhelming and downright embarrassing – and sadly in the main correct.
249 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:05:58
250 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:20:10
I watched quite a bit of Celtic last season. Edouard was very good, especially in Champions League and Europa League games where he often bailed Celtic out.
He reminds me of Van Dijk when he was at Celtic. Way, way too good for up here and a very good bet to be successful elsewhere.
We watched Southampton buy Van Dijk, Hull buy Robertson and Arsenal buy Tierney, when we could have bought all three. I hope we don't watch someone else buy Edouard.
251 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:30:01
252 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:33:06
253 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:37:52
254 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:39:18
More worrying is the look of another uninspiring transfer window instead of the requisite rebuild. We do seem to operate on a "fiddling while Rome burns" model, confirming suspicions of heavy drug abuse within the Everton hierarchy.
255 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:40:07
Doesn't disguise the fact that things need changing, though!
256 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:40:08
I expect Everton to end in the top six this coming season, due to Ancelotti.
257 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:40:47
I'm not so certain top 8 is a given. Other clubs have progressed over the years whilst we have gone the other way.
258 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:43:15
259 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:44:03
The only way out of this is to split the two entities: EitC with the awesome Boys Pen Bill and Denise Barrett-Baxendale fully focusing on all things charity and community activities. Moshiri should then get one of the most successful Chairmen in the Premier League era to do a root-and-branch review of the footballing operation side.
Step forward, David Dein, as a consultant; he delivered sustained achievements at Arsenal and delivered their stadium.
Make no mistake, the bottom 5 this season will be between Aston Villa, Crystal Palace, Fulham, West Ham and Everton. I can't see any other outcome, especially if Carlo decides "This isn't for me!!!!"
New managers will think if Carlo walks away "I ain't going there!" We will end up destroying an up-and-coming young manager or an Ferguson trying to do a King Kanute. This club is rank.
260 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:50:06
It appears to have passed without comment in the last few days (apologies if it hasn't) that we have not entered our Under-21s in the EFL Trophy, judging by the regional groups announced last week.
This may or may not be a good decision.
But Spurs, Palace, Burnley and Sheff Utd are, I believe, the only other Premier League clubs not to enter.
I'd be interested to read the opinions of those who have closely followed our youth operation in recent seasons.
This may be part of some strategic shift to loan more young players out to give them experience that way. But I can't help wondering if there is an element of cost-cutting in this decision. A club our size should be able to enter a team in this competition.
Either way, I believe it is a decision that the club should have explained – and "sold" their argument on it, rather than wait to be asked.
Apologies if this has actually been done but I can find nothing about this on the club website.
261 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:51:10
Of their promotion side, I'd be pleased to have Kalvin Phillips but that's it. Ben White was another standout but he was on loan. They will find goals hard to come by unless they find a new striker.
262 Posted 23/08/2020 at 12:57:45
Thanks, should not have relied on memory in my haste to post.
263 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:10:48
264 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:15:29
The Club is bloated with players on multimillion contracts who are not delivering. The chickens have come home to roost. Ancelotti will do what he can but no one realistically expects more than maintenance of Premier League status given the state of the Club.
265 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:23:14
There is an element of cost-cutting and shop-windowing with over-20s being loaned out. The emphasis development wise seems to the Under-18s. The age profile of the Under-23s has significantly reduced. That seems to be the opinion of those that actually follow and attend youth football matches,
266 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:24:53
267 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:26:27
They have us 9th on 52 points, 18 points behind the 4th-placed team and 16 points clear of relegation. If you think we will do better or worse and have confidence, wade in.
I can understand Ancelotti's concerns because the whole shooting match is dependent upon how Brands fares in this transfer window.
3 or 4 excellent signings and we could be challenging Tottenham's projected 61 points in 6th. A bad window will see us with Brighton and West Ham's projected 44 points.
More upside or downside cannot be ruled out, but the percentages get very small on that happening.
268 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:40:57
Paul T is correct – savvy recuruitment of the three mentioned would have transformed our last three seasons. Let us hope we do not miss further relatively modest outlay players who would be both effective on the field and good business. Our recent purchases under Brands and Walsh in the main are very ineffective players.
Robert – our players don't seem 'vastly superior' to anyone - Blackpool showed that as did Liverpool's youth team and many many more.
269 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:48:47
Jeez, I've had more enjoyment reading the obituaries in the red echo than some of the posts by the miserable sods on here.
We might as well cancel our season tickets for the forthcoming season and demand a full refund. After all, who wants to support a team that's already been relegated before a ball has even been kicked in anger?
270 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:49:28
271 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:54:42
In the eyes of the wider world, we like Espanyol.
That statement is, quite unfortunately, true.
And Robert at 261 and Steve Ferns at various:
We'll be vying for 7th along with Leicester and Wolves. Southampton too perhaps.
I'm generally a very positive person. But that statement for me is said with Blue blinders on. If our current squad is left untouched, we are a bottom half team. Of that I have no doubt. Now, if we strengthen in midfield this window, we could challenge for 6th to 7th. Two consecutive windows of adding real talent, along with our younger players continually developing, I honestly believe we could start to threaten the top 4.
But as it stands now, we are mid-table at best and most likely 11th to 14th. Our midfield simply isn't good enough to compete.
Finally, if we pay stupid money and wages on a player who won't have any sell-on value, it's idiotic. There's a lot of shit thrown at Marcel, but from a macro level the dude is spot, spot on. Buy the young talent, let it mature, nurture that talent, and turn Everton into a competitive, money-making machine that can sell young kids at huge profits. [or keep them!]
I feel like we're just a massive mess at the moment. Worst landscape since God smiled on me in 2007 and introduced me to Everton Football Club. We're on a knife's edge right now. It's either going to improve, or we're in really, really big trouble.
272 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:55:36
273 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:56:36
With 2 or 3 decent signings, we'll have a similar torturess season as the last one, finishing any were between 9th and 12th, just treading water in other words. Entertainment will be in tiny amounts as usual.
The biggest problem, as always, will be who will score the goals? Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin are easy and predictable to nullify for most opposition defenses and the present midfield is incapable of adding more than 8 goals a season between the whole sorry bunch of them.
274 Posted 23/08/2020 at 13:58:04
There was a lot of optimism before last season due to the final third of the season before. But we limped to 12th place and probably would have finished a lot worse had we not changed managers in December.
The worst thing we could do this year is thinking we are too good to go down seeing the gutless group of players we are depending on right now.
275 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:00:49
Years ago, I gave me arl feller stick for being around when Everton last got relegated in 1954. "How did you let that happen? What did you do to stop it?"
I now realise he was almost as powerless then as I am now... although, back then, the club still had standards and the supporters were viciously fanatical.
The present diabolical state of our football club and how it's been allowed to happen means nothing short of invading Goodison and Finch Farm en masse and tearing into all and sundry is possibly the only chance we have of avoiding the coming disaster and this will not happen with our modern day comatose support, Mogadoned into a stupor by decades of mismanagement and lies.
Throw in the fact that too many of the people who make comments on internet sites, the only media that seems to be taken notice of nowdays, don't come from Liverpool, live abroad, have never been to Goodison, or are just Johnny-come-lately mavericks who really don't know the club apart from what they can glean online, and the future looks ominous, frightening and, believe it or not, worse than the nightmare we're going through now.
Brace yourselves, we're going down this year unless the sleeping tablets wear off.
276 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:27:40
277 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:38:27
We're currently 19.0 on Betfair to get relegated. I'd say that's a true measure of our odds, but if I thought we'd get relegated I'd be all over that.
Fill yer boots if you're so sure!
278 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:44:01
If you think we will finish in the top eight with this current set of players, then you are deeply deluded. Think Bournemouth on the last day of the season.
And what if we were to lose either Richarlison and/or Digne either to injury through the season or to a big bid(s) in the coming weeks? Either or both of these scenarios are entirely possible.
You clearly possess an ability I lack, ie, an ability to see into the future. Obviously, if we bring players in then that changes the dynamic and the outlook depending on the quality of the purchases and their ability to stay fit... think Gbamin.
Marcel Brands does not have a great track record on acquisitions. I do not think anyone is revelling in the "we're going down" bullshit as you put it; all I see and hear is a lot of worried Evertonians who are concerned about our future and particularly, our Premier League survival. Without signings, which we cannot guarantee, we finished 12th last season; those concerns are entirely valid.
279 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:44:05
The alternative is a real dogfight and these players have no fight.
280 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:46:09
I hope after this shambles Ancelotti looks back on the comment he is alleged to have said to the players of "Come back with more motivation and more ambition."
We are in the miserable position of having difficulties to bring in the players the manager wants and the sadder thing is what we see is what he has to work with. Let's look on the bright side though, things can't get any worse, can they? They can only get better.
281 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:49:34
283 Posted 23/08/2020 at 14:53:17
284 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:02:35
If Davies was MotM yesterday, then we are well and truly screwed!!!
285 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:09:33
286 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:12:58
We bought Funes Mori instead of Van Dijk. I was also reliably informed that we were close to buying Robertson, but pulled out because Baines was in position.
287 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:35:56
A £50 donation to ToffeeWeb needs to accompany such claims. It's not a bet as such — let's call it 'earnest money', a great expression I learnt on the other side of the pond.
If it turns out that you are right, and Everton are relegated, we may refund a portion of your earnest money. But we will be in a foul mood, so there are no guarantees provided.
288 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:39:01
Playing Spurs away in the first game also seems the Gods are against us.
However, having said all that, we long-suffering fans will as usual have some optimism that things may improve.
Carlo is now under real scrutiny having had time to assess the bums he has and must realize that half of them can do nothing to get this club anywhere so we obviously hope that some of the transfer interests come to fruition very soon.
289 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:43:15
290 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:43:34
Teamwork, toughness of mind and a bit of style would be nice to see. Not much to ask.
It would still be nice to see three solid buys, mind you. One of whom needs to be a very bad loser.
291 Posted 23/08/2020 at 15:45:25
I admire your optimism mate and I believe you said something similar before last season. Your protracted optimism in Silva and the team was ill-founded too.
Most on here are being realistic. While I don't think we are relegation fodder, we are currently utter shite. About 2 or 3 of our current players are worthy of the shirt. The rest are either extremely poor or extremely average and at that, they are inconsistent, even over 90 minutes.
While I don't rely on one game usually, the performance against the might Blackpool yesterday told me a lot about our chances. We let 3 of the most basic goals in, and it could have been more, all from open play. We did not score a single goal from open play and, without Sigurdsson, we likely wouldn't have scored any. That in itself is cause for concern.
It is quite obvious to most of us that, without some quality recruitment, we could implode.
We have brought quality management into the club but have not created the conditions for them to be successful. That is even more damaging than bringing in average quality management (eg, Moyes) with low expectations.
Carlo is a man with high standards and pride with a pedigree to match. He does not suffer fools gladly. The likes of Kenwright may be able to bully or kid lesser managers but it won't wash with Carlo. I am also of the mind that Brands is not being allowed to do the job he is being brought in to do and is being lined up to be the fall guy.
No club is ever going to be successful if the owner and the chairman keep pushing for players they like. I am sure Iwobi and Zaha were put forward by Moshiri and Kenwright can't keep his nose out of any proposed deal and IMO was responsible for the collapse of the Koeman regime.
If we are that dysfunctional off the pitch, how can the club ever be "elite" again? And "elite" these days has expanded to the top 7 or 8.
Your support for Tom Davies is admirable and I would also love the lad to come good but he is part of the problem – not part of the solution.
Davies, Sigurdsson and Gomes should not be anywhere near a top class midfield.
292 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:01:57
The lack of recovery time for their players is likely to cause some surprise results. Throw in the possibility of further Covid-19 waves causing player sick absences or even postponements and we have the potential for one of the mid-table clubs to rise above their normal station. Could that be us?
293 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:02:57
294 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:11:10
If I thought there was a chance of us being relegated, I'd be straight on at 19.0.
It's an opinion based on the last couple of seasons. I'd say it's a pretty sound one.
295 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:13:08
I can honestly say over the course of those seasons, Everton have been woeful but somehow managed to get the points in the bag to keep us away from the danger area.
If we go into this season with no new signings, we could be dragged down to the bottom half and if these teams find some form, we really are in for a fight, something this team lacks, no fight, no guts, no passion.
This can all change if we bring the desired players in, but make no mistake, this current team could not give a toss, if we are down among them, I just cannot see us fighting our way out of it.
Call me a doom merchant by all means, but without change in this current team, we are screwed, and one of these Days, we will not be as lucky as having 4 or 5 teams worse than us that give us a safety net.
We need to act in this window, get the midfield sorted.
296 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:13:54
297 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:21:12
298 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:26:02
299 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:30:18
The vibe should be optimistic, upbeat and healthy. That's not what we are getting. I appreciate times are strange, but that goes for all clubs.
There's a real lack of bite and fight in this group of players and, more importantly, I don't see it with Carlo. Everton teams generally always have that raw edge; we seem to be meek. That's my worry, start poorly and I really don't think we have the resolve.
I'm holding my breath.
300 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:32:06
Our return against the top 6 is abysmal. Mid-table. Leicester, Wolves, Arsenal, Southampton and yes Sheff Utd. Do people really think we will out perform the mid-table teams on head-to-head games.
Then Leeds, and West Brom are investing in players and look better defensive units.
So Fulham, Villa Palace, Hammers and us!!! If we don't sign anyone better than we currently have, we are reliant on Richarlison and Digne.
I believe it will be a huge challenge to keep Richarlison and Digne motivated and fit to keep us out of trouble.
301 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:38:22
But returning to matters in hand, I once again beg fellow posters to avoid the pain – nay agony – by lowering their expectations over the next few seasons.
Having seen a succession of managers and DoFs blow the thick end of Half a Billion Pounds over four years, it is reasonable of Moshiri (or Usmanov?) to pull up the drawbridge, particularly now that Bramley-Moore Dock is so high on the agenda. And I suspect Carlo well knew the score when he took the job, and saw it as an opportunity for his son to learn how to build a team as well as a reputation.
As others have said, the only Premier League target during the stadium development is to stay there – with bonuses attaching to any finish above 18th. So why don't we – if loyal supporters – sign up to this agenda and stop agonising because the team is so ordinary?
302 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:41:05
The club knows, no matter what, the supporters will always be behind our football club, whether through season tickets, shirt sales, we will back the club and show our support.
If we can bring those two midfielders in, it changes the whole aspect of our team. It will allow us to drive forward and give better support to our forward line, taking less strain of our defence. At the moment, our midfield are turning and playing the ball backwards to our defenders.
But make no mistake, Bobby, if we go into the new season with no new additions, we will be in for a long hard season; there is no leadership whatsoever in that team.
Each and every one of our posters on here and fellow Evertonians I would want in a trench next to me, watching my back. I cannot say the same about the majority of gutless players we have in this team.
303 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:43:15
304 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:47:05
Ancelotti said at the end of last season, I hope the players come back more focused and more competitive; he also said he hoped he could get his transfer targets signed to take part in pre-season.
Now, on yesterday's showing, the players played exactly as they did at the back end of last season. Also, apart from the young French left-back, there were no additions to the squad.
Well, if Moshiri was going to tighten the purse strings, and limit the spending on new players, then he would have been better reappointing Moyes, who worked with a tight budget last time and had us around 6th to 8th which is where most of the ambitious TWs have us finishing.
I would go as far as to say this is one of the weakest squads we have had in many a year. While we have had squads with players with limited ability, they at least showed a desire and a fight that is sadly lacking in this group. During the stewardship of Moshiri, despite him bankrolling this club to the tune of £450 million, we look further away from winning a trophy than ever.
When Moshiri joined, it allowed us all to dream of Everton competing for trophies again on a regular basis. But sadly we are just a club making up the numbers, but – unlike the other clubs doing the same – they haven't spent £450 million to get there.
305 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:47:39
306 Posted 23/08/2020 at 16:58:08
Our return against the top six is abysmal, I'm not going to argue with that, though who is the top six you mention, as you seem to have Leicester and Arsenal classed as mid-table?
Anyway, you have listed, what looks to me anyway, Leicester, Arsenal, Southampton, Wolves and Sheff Utd as mid-table teams, four teams we beat either home or away last season, drew with Arsenal at home and very unlucky to lose away too.
So yes, I do think we can out perform these teams in head to head games. As you seem to have forgotten Newcastle and Brighton, these are two more teams we can out perform on a head to head.
Jeez, why do some people only look at the negative aspects?
307 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:02:38
308 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:06:03
Few people in any industry would gave remained in a job if they had squandered as much as he has. He'd have squandered even more if he hadn't have been knocked back so often.
We have gone steadilly backwards since he got here.
309 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:25:40
I love your "glass half-full" outlook on this current crop of players.
It is not often I disagree with posters on here, but I really feel if we go into the next campaign without sorting that midfield out, it will be a long hard season.
Like I have stated before, we have managed to dig out results against the teams you have mentioned; last few seasons we have been the best of a very poor bunch.
That current crop of players have no fight. I fully expect us to bring the two midfielders in. That in itself will bring a whole new completion to our team. Forward balls, instead of our midfield turning and playing a backwards path.
Make no mistake, though: we cannot go into the new season with no additions and that same midfield.
I hope I am proved wrong, I really do, but that current squad fills me with fear of our once great football club.
310 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:38:09
I've already said elsewhere that goalkeeper is not a priority position for us to sign another, so a new right-back, two midfielders, and a new striker. Not asking a lot is it?
311 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:42:51
There is no fight, spirit, purpose in this group of players. There is a sliver of competence that appears now and again, which is enough to beat most sides in this league.
That spirit will have to be brought in this summer. Otherwise I predict a slightly better-organised, slightly less inconsistent season of dullness to come.
312 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:52:05
313 Posted 23/08/2020 at 17:59:50
Today, first you have to go through a players agent who automatically spreads the word that another club is after his player and this starts to involve other clubs becoming interested. Once the player finds out other clubs are interested in him he can pick and choose who he goes to.
Take the central defender on who Everton were interested in for a long while including supposed agreed terms and a medical, now other clubs have become interested in him. If you were this player who would you choose? Everton, Chelsea or Arsenal?
I have said before, Everton have a very difficult job in bringing in quality players when clubs above us are also interested, remember there are 11 other clubs who finished above us, regardless who is to blame we are in a difficult position and it doesn't matter who the manager is, attracting quality players is going to be very hard.
314 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:01:07
Yes it was Danny not Ian. Picked up on my own rushed mistake later on, thanks to Steve Fearns.
Hope people are able to get the gist of where I am coming from. In this era of multi-million-pound footballer, it must be difficult to actually stand up and say how it is, especially if some players are prepared to seek advantage and bank their wages with as little effort as possible.
But Donachie, like Brands, has to be up to dealing with this and settle for nothing less than the highest commitment on the p!ayers part, aspiring to the highest performance possible.
315 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:10:20
This is what is allowing other clubs to then come in and offer more money to the selling club. We could have had all three players at our club now, instead of dithering over a few million to the selling club.
With the centre-back, we were unlucky when the pandemic came in to stall on the transfer; however, I feel we could have done more once the transfer window reopened.
If we lose out to Allan and Doucouré over a few million, we will only have ourselves to blame with trying to squeeze a few million off the asking price.
316 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:18:40
To be expected during the current climate, with his price lowered, other teams have sniffed a bargain and rightly threw their hat into the ring but, on many occasions, we have lost out on players, with dithering.
317 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:25:34
The Red side for some reason also can't afford to buy many new players.
Age wise, they are in a bad place if they don't invest in top quality players this season, as at least half of their best eleven from last season are 28 or over. (Although they sold Lovrens recently.) The front 3 are 29 soon, and will drop steeply in value.
As for us, most of our team are 27 or under and have time to improve, eg, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison... Gordon did improve visibly – Gordon progressed enough in 1 year to make left-wing his own in the first team from the U23s.
If we get Allan or an equivalent, who is obviously better than Højbjerg at Spurs, then it might turn out this can free Gomes or Sigurdsson who can play 10 yards closer to the forwards more often; or even Davies who looked good going forwards vs Man City, and when he chipped in that ball to Calvert-Lewinthat hit his thigh.
The team is still young and will improve with a few more weeks of coaching from Carlo.
An Allan type of player, with Gbamin returning too, will help our technical players to play more freely.
318 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:41:22
He said, when he was at Birmingham, that six of us were told one morning before training started that we were leaving the club. The manager (was it Ron Saunders, I can't remember) said to Pat, "Pack your bags as you're going to Everton."
Needless to say Pat jumped at the chance as he joining a great team back then. I think the first time the fans knew about any transfers back then was when it was in the Stop Press in the late edition of the Red Echo.
319 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:45:31
If it was a 3-3 scoreline pre-season friendly against say Liverpool or Chelsea, then okay... but Blackpool! Mediocrity is acceptable to Everton who are not willing to do the hard miles to achieve greatness.
320 Posted 23/08/2020 at 18:54:12
321 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:06:30
I'm not exactly reassured by Steves track record in predicting things either. I remember Steve defending Silva on here passionately, but defending him far past the point of logic, reason or even common sense. It literally got to the point I was starting to think he was trolling us. It was, to be blunt, cringe-worthy and embarrassing by the inevitable end.
I don't think we'll go down but, without additions, I can't see this squad doing an awful lot better than last season either. 9th or 10th on around 54 points is my realistic view of this groups ceiling. Although Ancellotti is much better than the utterly hopeless Silva, the Portugese poser at least had a packed Goodison behind him.
The run in at the end of last season without the faithful was truly dismal, so any advantage gained by having a better gaffer is likely to be cancelled out by the lack of home support early doors in my view. I'm thinking that VAR can't possibly screw us as badly this season as it did last season, so that's where those extra few points are going to come from.
But make no mistake: this is a limited group and doesn't really allow Ancellotti a lot of flexibility in how we play most sides. Michael Keane's lack of pace means we are forced to sit very deep to hide it, and with the midfield we have it essentially means we just invite teams onto us.
Ancellotti had some good early results but I felt he'd been pretty much sussed out by the end of the season. It was Mourinho who worked out that rotating players to kick Richarlison all over the park essentially neuters us and of course we have Spurs first up. It's a copycat league, and plenty of other teams adopted that tactic and will continue to do so.
This group needs reinforcements, as has been well discussed. Without them we're essentially paying Carlo £9 million to play KITAP1.
My most optimistic view of us is 9th. Injuries to the likes of Holgate and Richarlison or fans being held out of grounds until say November and I figure we could finish 14th or so.
"Like a new signing" Bolasie pretty much sums up where we are as a football club right now. The short pre-season and jaded nature of this playing group leads me to believe we're in for another long grind and midtable finish.
322 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:15:42
323 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:27:03
On a brighter note, in about 2.5 hours the RS will no longer be European champions. TFFT!!
324 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:27:37
There's another big problem though, which has been mentioned by one or two above. There's a culture problem in the dressing room. It's quite simple – they're a bunch of extremely well paid shithouses and a very difficult bunch to motivate. The away form is a joke.
Fans have seen through the platitudes, which mean nothing. The empty words actively contribute to the mood in the fanbase, which reminds me of when things weren't happening during Kendall's second spell. There's a disconnect. I'd say that the majority of fans dislike a majority of the players.
The only time it's perked up and we've seen what I would call proper Everton performances is when a big hard-as-nails Jock was put in charge. Ferguson made it clear there were no excuses whilst also lighting a fire under the team and fan base. Some basic fucking pride.
Some of our players are such arseholes that I can quite easily see us ending up in bother, so I don't dismiss people's concerns. The team spirit and dressing room culture issues are as big as the talent ones. Ancelotti has a tough gig here. He really does.
325 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:28:27
326 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:33:18
In that vein, does Carlo have patience, a heat lamp and some polish?
327 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:38:05
That said, other teams had good wins over much better opposition and, whilst I would expect us to get much better in defence and attack, the midfield four continued where they left off last season and it is difficult to see how Carlo is suddenly going to turn them back into good players.
If we need cash then Pickford and Kean look expendable to me but however we finance it we need two or three decent midfielders to come in.
What's happened to Fraser of Bournemouth who is on a free? Worth a try if available as he is worth £15-20M so great resale possibilities if he didn't fit in?
328 Posted 23/08/2020 at 19:43:52
Or you could just hang on to Tom Davies and save yourself all the trouble you've outlined having to go to just to find a like-for-like replacement?
329 Posted 23/08/2020 at 20:01:28
It's a case of hope springs eternal each season, the main man has supplied a decent amount of money but it's just not been spent well. The reality is that at this time we are not that attractive a destination to the very best players.
I think the best option for us supporters is to enjoy the football for what it is and stop beating our heads against the wall.
330 Posted 23/08/2020 at 20:41:08
331 Posted 23/08/2020 at 20:50:36
Why? Is Bill buying players now?
332 Posted 23/08/2020 at 20:50:48
By the time Kenwright “goes” he will no doubt have created some DNA clone technology to live on — using of course the Arteta money to fund the research.
333 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:03:20
It's refreshing to watch there is no slow thought, no innocuous sideways passing, just a desire to attack fast as soon as in possession.
334 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:04:20
335 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:05:49
Under Moshiri, we have gone backwards rapidly, even after spending over £450 million. The managers who Moshiri hired have been a disaster. But never mind... let's blame Bill. It's boring and childish now.
336 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:07:18
We could do worse than take him back, especially when we did allow him to fulfill his dream move.
337 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:08:31
Because he is the one common denominator during certainly the Premier League years of our demise, joining the board in the late 80s.
Chris Smalling is not the answer to our current problems. He brought in Moshiri even though he has no sports acumen after turning down John Moores and Charles Noell, who at least had some proven experience in sport. And amongst many other things, Kings Dock (the big one).
Please carry on reading below;
338 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:17:08
A proper ball-winning, tackling central midfielder with a BMW engine that runs for 96 minutes breaking up play and feeding the likes of Gomes.
Then a quality left-sided centre-back with some serious speed to help us play higher up the field.
That has got to tell the recruitment exactly the type of player we need to be a functioning team again. Them two players themselves or ones with comparable or even better attributes.
Højbjerg & Gabriel was our first stab at it.
339 Posted 23/08/2020 at 21:20:35
You and most posters are missing Steve's point.
What we have at Everton is a side whose weaknesses since Ancelotti have been totally exposed. Whilst getting additional players would help, even if it looks as if Everton will not get the full quota required, this is only part of the equation.
The other parts are: fitness and training methods, availability of players through recovery, younger player progression, players getting up to speed technically and tactically with the levels that Ancelotti's coaching will demand collectively and individually.
The positives of the Blackpool game are that Everton where caught cold, but got up to speed in the game. Holgate lasted long enough without injury, Branthwaite got better, Kenny gradually fitted in. Gordon gradually fitted in well. Bolasie and Besic showed some flare and a willingness to work.
Moise Kean did play the ball better and Calvert-Lewin was positionally better. Sigurdsson's free-kick and penalty goal helped his confidence. Simms got on and Nkounkou was promising.
Iowbi, Walcott and Davies will realise that there is going to be competition for places and a need to focus. Lössi looked steady, showing Pickford a thing or two.
So generally there was positives for the squad and the high intensity training that Coleman loves will have further participants as other players arrive back, though personally I would have liked them back sooner. But Ancelotti took full advantage and give fringe players a chance which they will appreciate being now first-team squad members.
So can Ancelotti, with a few additions, bring this motley crew together? Yes, he can.
What's more, the Hierarchy (Ancelotti's new word – not mine) are going to find themselves under a lot more pressure than they have been under before, from a manager of a different calibre, that they have never had to deal with. Please no-one suggest the new Barcelona Manager.
So Steve has put forward a conservative prediction of 8th, in the face of relegation fears in August before a ball has been kicked. The Editorial team have tried to take advantage by opening a book.
I am confident that the many weaknesses exposed will be addressed to some extent, as Everton head in the right direction for once, and I confidently predict a top-six finish, solely due to the abilities of Ancelotti.
340 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:05:02
341 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:12:32
If PSG doesn't want him anymore -- and that's possible, since Marquinhos is a superior performer in the middle of their current 4-3-3 -- then it would be wonderful to welcome him back.
What a difference he'd make... IF he would come.
342 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:35:29
I know they say, never go back, but this would be an exception. We're totally lacking since he left.
Also, he's not injury prone, and probably €10M cheaper than Allan. We need Doucouré as well, and with Gomes, our midfield would be 100% stronger.
Maybe we could give Sigurdsson to Koeman.
343 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:36:05
Great tackler but little else, invariably gave the ball away with his next touch.
344 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:40:09
He has cursed the club.
345 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:44:19
Hope, dreams, and what ifs, in contemplation of EFCs, plans, this preseason.
This week the club, hopefully will land some signings of quality, and hopefully the context of this transfer window, will turn out to be a good omen, for EFC.
Hope eternal, but this time its key, if the club wishes to improve on the past seasons.
346 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:45:24
Colin #343... "worst performances in our history"?? Really?? If that's your first post, I hope you do better on your second, because that one came out of the north end of a southbound horse.
Paul #345, glad you enjoyed it, but I was hoping for a real 4-3 cracker, and I was disappointed. My book kept more of my attention than the game.
347 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:50:51
348 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:52:20
Not sure that squares fully with him not being in charge since 2016, Paul (#335).
In fact... I would venture to say that means he has been totally in charge, with a fully compliant hand-picked Board of Directors, and 'Teacher's Pet', in the form of his puppet, Little Miss Dynamite as CEO, cheery-picked to run the main charity institution after her diligent accomplishments at the EitC offshoot.
Who do you think has been in charge these last 4 years? I'm worried the whole point about Moshiri being an investor to provide the club with money, but not actually taking over power (even though he now owns 77.2% of the club's shares), might have passed you by?
But Kenwright, the Grande Profiteer, remains firmly in charge of the trainset.
349 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:53:09
We did not need Ancelotti to expose this side - most of us were accutely aware already. Addional players will not 'help' as you suggest - they are an absolute necessity - I for one have seen little so far to support your theory that "other parts are fitness and training methods, availability of players through recovery, younger player progression, players getting up to speed technically and tactically with the levels that Ancelottis coaching" is working - some of the performances on show must rank amonst the worst ever from an Everton team of any era when the players lack of backbone is also added in.
I sincerely hope you are correct in your assesments and prediction but some evdence of it has to surface for me to be a believer - needing set piece goals to draw at Blackpool does not inspire hope for me I am afraid.
350 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:56:57
Yep I was hoping for extra time, to see how good these teams, are, but I think Bayern, wore PSG, out in the end.
To see a few decent first time passes and off the ball movement, but more than anything a solid and defiant Bayern, team spirit and work ethic.
Hard work, belief, guts and the skill, shows what can, be, done.
351 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:57:22
352 Posted 23/08/2020 at 22:58:30
353 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:08:21
Colin, I watched him 108 times.
354 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:26:15
The freedom of expression shown by those players, albeit not a classic, but enough style and class, and showing no fear in playing with and moving off the ball.
It's a team game and with confidence, anything can happen on the park and with EFC (hopefully a massive improvement, this coming season).
355 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:29:32
As much as we miss Gana - or more to the point a player of that ilk - there is absolutely no point in buying him back when he's 31. And for probably not much less that we received. And on better wages. I mean, c'mon. If we take another mid on top of Allan then I hope that player is around 25 yrs or under.
356 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:39:20
Yes, we have been accused of dithering on transfer fees and, on the other hand, we are accused of overpaying for players who, after signing, don't come up to their expectations of the fee paid. So where do you draw the line?
Ancelotti wanted the two players: one has signed for Tottenham and the other is expected to sign for Arsenal... have they paid more than or less than we offered?
My point is, it is not what clubs want to pay for them: the players prefer which club they want to go to. The player from Southampton made it clear he wanted to go to Tottenham, not Everton, so it did not matter what Everton offered, he didn't want to sign.
Brands, who is the one finding players and has said Everton will not be engaged in a bidding war, even though we may have a Billionaire owner the majority of clubs above us having richer owners, and some of them can offer European Competitions,
357 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:39:47
Just my opinion, of course. I feel he would now be a retrograde step and far too sentimental; he never turned up for the big games. However, unfortunately, that can be said for many of our players in recent times.
358 Posted 23/08/2020 at 23:44:28
Makes more sense to find the younger model – Diallo, Sangare & Santamaria all still available (until Sam tells me they're not). Although I expect we will get Allan in the end.
Zouma would probably still make a good (albeit uninspiring) replacement for Keane. If not, then there's quite a few centre-halves knocking around who could do that job.
With Zouma and Allan (or similar), we can adopt the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 that Silva played to very good effect back end of the 2018-19 season.
We also have an improved Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Kean and Gordon from those heady days. And Iwobi of course – who might win the Ballon D'Or.
Which means we could well be gunning for 7th place and finishing anywhere between about 6th and 10th.
359 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:00:42
Robert, we badly need in midfielders that are mobile and give us the option to successfully play a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2. I am sick of watching these holding sloths that can only play central in a 4-2-3-1 and offer no other options. Its been going on since Martinez ffs. Midfielders that offer some flexibility is surely not too much to ask!
360 Posted 24/08/2020 at 00:12:20
361 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:24:34
I did not say that additional players would not help, what I said was that there are other factors that can be worked on and, during the game, Ancelotti did try to. For the players involved, they at least felt that they were given a chance, especially fringe players.
It will be something they will be glad of, especially having been selected by Ancelotti to do so. This is a different approach than being effectively disregarded as young players and some older players have been under previously managers.
Though I have been critical of Brands and the Finch Farm medical services on this thread, I think that Ancelotti's commitment to higher intensity training will have a knock-on effect at Finch Farm. Even better is the possible situation developing where Ancelotti is questioning the hierarchy at Everton and, in doing so, making them more accountable, and forcing them to be responsive in positive fashion, putting them in the situation to show whether they are able or not.
This Everton going into next season will be a different Everton than what has gone into other previous seasons, because of these subtle changes and more, which one can only describe as going in the right direction at this stage, but in a month's time Ancelotti will be further on as the benefits of such an approach materialise as the players respond.
To say that Everton will fall further than last season is false, with this different Everton that is going into this season. The more likely outcome is at least a top six finish, which Ancelotti has only ever failed to achieve at the various clubs he has managed in different Leagues, in his first half-season at Everton.
Additional players will help and they all arrive in the coming weeks, but maybe not in the expected quantity or quality, having missed out on two principal targets. I don't think Ancelotti will be deterred from his objectives as a result.
362 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:25:04
I am a Kenwright basher, as you put it.
Every window, dither, dither, dither... and it will continue that way all the time he has a say in the transfer negotiations.
You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Isn't that the point of TW?
In respect of where we finish, 8th as you say is realistic, but I would like to see us finish 1 or 2 places higher.
Relegation is something I've not even thought about.
363 Posted 24/08/2020 at 00:40:24
I'd be pleased to have either one. Not both, but either one.
364 Posted 23/08/2020 at 00:56:40
Kenwright hasn't been majority shareholder since 2016, but he is still Chairman, a position he has held without any distinction whatsoever since 2004.
He was clearly instrumental in appointing a CEO who sadly does not have the experience or influence to competently run a major Premier League club.
In any normal organisation the Chairman and CEO are the key players. Why Moshiri had allowed this sorry state of affairs to continue is beyond my comprehension.
365 Posted 24/08/2020 at 00:58:21
It looks like Allan could end up here. How much are we going to get out of him before he hits the downside? We already tried the ready-made route with Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin. Both players were on the fade within a year or two. On long deals. On thick wedge. Ashley Williams was done within a year. You could argue he was done when he showed up.
I understand that we badly need something in midfield, yesterday. I understand that Ancelotti knows him. I understand that he can play and will improve us. But for how long? Old men arriving for a last fat deal has been part of the problem.
366 Posted 24/08/2020 at 01:11:54
Now what we need is to say this is an exception to the rule of signing young players, and sign someone like Sangare so he learns off Allan and isn't under the pressure of being first choice.
We seem to be getting two instant fixes, however. If we get a young quality right-midfielder to go along with it, it won't seem as bad.
367 Posted 24/08/2020 at 01:52:43
Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson were both 27 when we signed them, younger than Neymar is now. Age wasn't the problem there.
Allan and Gueye are both quality players. And they are both younger than Messi, Cristiano, Vardy, Aubameyang, and two guys who just absolutely dominated the Champions League, Muller and Lewandowski.
The starters for our current wreck of a midfield are aged 27, 27, 24 and 22. Youth can't help them overcome their lack of quality. And if the quality we need is available in somebody who's 29, I don't think he should be disqualified just on that basis.
I get what you're saying, but we're not short on youth. We're short on class.
368 Posted 24/08/2020 at 07:29:48
I have seen an awful lot from you over several threads regarding a vast improvement in the players fitness levels. I'm really not sure what you are basing it on.
The fitness of our current squad is not the issue. Ancelotti himself told us this. What we suffer from is a lack of natural strength and athleticism.
Even when 8-9 of our players reach their optimum levels, they will still lack the natural power and athleticism you see in players in the 10 clubs which finished above us. Every club in today's Premier League will have their players in the best condition they can be in.
Carlo may be a great manager, but he can't put in what nature left out.
I agree – although you could have given better examples than Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin to support an excellent point. 😂
369 Posted 24/08/2020 at 08:07:49
I agree with Mr Gaynes, there is nothing wrong in bringing in older players for their ability, even if it is a short-term fix for a couple of years. How I would like to have a 29-year-old Gareth Barry in the side!
370 Posted 24/08/2020 at 08:40:58
The only “Golden Boot” Sandro will receive will involve a pair of Doc Martins and an accident in a paint shop.
371 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:08:19
However, he is 30 years old in January and has been grafting in midfield for a long time already. This league is more demanding physically, it's faster and more intense. It's clearly a risk that we could get 1 or 2 seasons worth of player before the downside kicks in. I don't doubt his quality, for a moment. If he signs, we will see how long into his 4- or 5-year deal he maintains his levels for.
Gareth Barry is actually a superb example of exactly what I'm talking about. He was on a loan at 29 and, during that season, I actually thought he declined into the second half it. I was against giving him a fat 3-year deal. We got another single season's worth of decent football out of him. During his last 2 seasons, he was a problem. On the fade, old, slow and declining physically and unable to handle every week.
372 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:10:32
We need that a lot more than 'resale value' right now.
373 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:12:12
374 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:36:00
The buck stopped 30 bloody years ago largely due to the alien horrible Red Shite, but most of that 30 years Tiny Tears has thrown the buck to the nearest clown who'll take the blame. He thinks he is Mr Teflon because he presides over shite but comes out smelling like Joan Collins's handbag.
375 Posted 24/08/2020 at 09:54:14
376 Posted 24/08/2020 at 10:20:30
What I have advocated is high intensity training, which is now in place according to Seamus Colman. I have, you will probably can also verify, for longer , been critical of the Finch Farm regime which appeared to have high rest and recovery aspects.
This was particularly evident have football breaks and international breaks. The other problems where inconsistent performance levels as a team and recurring injuries. I discovered that Medical Services had a big input into training in advocating rest and recovery, therefore the overall level of training in the squad. In my post#233 I outlined the incite of Darren Burgess, High Performance Manager, and drew comparison with Everton, giving the history of Everton Head of Therapy Services to get across my point , (possibly singling him out unfairly and getting his name wrong )since he is as much a victim of Everton parental culture as anyone else, who works in it. He is enthusiastic about his job and has been will only to learn and adapt, though dealing with some players who are not worth the contract on and transfer fee paid, and in some cases injury prone and lazy.
The key is the new high intensity training and Ancelotti attempt of more player inclusiveness throughout Finch Farm at all levels , which will have a impact on motivation, physical resilience, and teamwork, with knock on effects on the key area of Medical Services. Ancelotti is continuing his theme of no hiding places and players are being challenged to move to the next level.
I am disappointed in Brands who appears to be considering paying his membership fee, if he has not already paid it fully, into' The Hierarchy', which Ancelotti has apparently refered too. The transfer policy of Everton appears to ass about face, in they correctly where paying 25million for a twenty year old, only to because of Covid try to cheapskate to £18 million and then be prepared to pay over £30 million for a 29 year old. They should have been prepared to pay 25 million for a 22 year old and £18million for a 29 years old, like Sevilla, Leipzig and Bayern Munich, would have done. Bayerns few top players are £55million at most and the age profile of them averages 25, most are Servilla /Leipzig prices. Bayerns high intensity play reflects what Burgess advocates.
Ancelotti has probably at this stage has abandoned sensible transfer policy and advocated throwing what ever 'the Hierarchy ' have got at it.
377 Posted 24/08/2020 at 10:48:21
378 Posted 24/08/2020 at 10:51:36
If he's still trying to give his input with his golden touch, three ground moves, numerous transfers and marketing decisions, then we as a fan base need an action group pronto before our nearest derby is Tranmere. That's not alarmist – it will happen, no matter who is manager.
379 Posted 24/08/2020 at 10:57:16
The trick will be getting the right older players- going by looks Allan will be one of them- looks a hard character from his photos!
380 Posted 24/08/2020 at 11:00:33
Jerome is right, we shouldnt have been haggling over the 28m for the 22yr old Gabriel, just pay what we had agreed and try to get the deal done. Then stick at 18m for Allan. It is possible we were being played all along though and we were being used to flush out more preferred alternatives. If it was purely financial Ancelotti will be spitting feathers at the haggling and dithering that has caused us to lose out on the player.
Carlo wants Allan as his first signing and man on the pitch, Napoli know that and are taking full advantage.The Everton hierarchy are forced into a corner. That is why were are being shagged senseless over the fee and paying 28m for an 18m player.
Maybe there is a compromise to be had with them taking Bernard as part payment or some other creative deal that would be acceptable to both sides. We have to trim the squad somehow and I am sure Brands is exploring it.
Another point was signing a younger midfielder to compliment Allan. Sangare or Santamaria. To me this sounds like the best strategy giving us specific experience and energy in the area we need it most.
381 Posted 24/08/2020 at 11:12:54
382 Posted 24/08/2020 at 11:15:56
Everton really are a very bad joke. The club is rotten to the core and, as I've stated many times before, the best way forward is relegation. Flush out the deadwood at all levels. Return to basics.
Next season will be another huge embarrassment – with fans hoping for salvation from transfer windows. It just won't work, as has been shown, season after season.
I realise my views are not popular, but I cannot see any other solution. Everton do not belong in the Premier League – we are the laughing stock of the league. It is quite possible that, in the Championship, we may start competing again, and show some spirit and fight.
383 Posted 24/08/2020 at 11:18:56
I agree regarding Sangare and Santamaria, which have been on Sam Hoare list, for long enough, but didn't even register with Brands. I thought that Brands suffered from interference last Summer and was heartened to see a rumour that he was rebelling against interference , but is he actually controlling the purse strings this Summer in buying p!ayers. Complaining about deals being highjacked isn't Professional, that was my view as a negotiator, I just thought my negotiating skills needed to be better. In Brands case you have to be capable of doing the deals to fulfil the objectives. The talk of negotiating with Napoli on two fronts if true , is naive, especially with anything to do with Naples. The Italian press must just love Everton.
What actually is Brands strategy in this transfer window?Can anyone work it out. We know what Ancelottis objectives are.
There are good players out their at reasonable values , other teams are snapping them up,
384 Posted 24/08/2020 at 11:31:14
In my experience, going back on a negotiated deal really pisses people off.
385 Posted 24/08/2020 at 12:52:57
I think you have got the wrong end of the stick, mate.
When Seamus talks about "High intensity" training, he is describing the sessions. He is letting us know it is intense.
He is not talking about a new method of training Carlo introduced which can take an athlete to new heights. Every team in the country are now training at high intensity.
If you think our current players will suddenly become powerful and athletic. You are in for a major disappointment. We are going to have to import that.
Seamus told us it's not exactly "eyeballs out" but most of the work is with the ball and they all know they have been in a session.
Carlo is a great coach and tactician, he is not a fitness trainer. Nor is he the guy who is responsible for bringing players in. He is relying on others to do their part in order for him to be able to do his.
386 Posted 24/08/2020 at 13:48:03
Harder work than before. ?
There is a new Physical conditioning coach.
387 Posted 24/08/2020 at 14:01:54
I dont want us to be the feeder team for Chelseas defence. Come to us for a year, get their confidence back and start playing well, then go back to improve Chelseas defence and leave us back at square one after improving a competitors squad.
388 Posted 24/08/2020 at 14:15:47
389 Posted 24/08/2020 at 14:34:55
I just hope we have an option to buy if we can develop him over the year into a quality long term partner for Mason Holgate. It could sort our central defence out for the long term, especially with the impressive Branthwaite ready to challenge and step in, maybe permanently in a couple of years time.
I can't stand it when we improve a player and the manager and staff put all the effort into it, just to give the player back. I hope we don't bother negotiating without such a clause.
390 Posted 24/08/2020 at 15:38:06
Tomori was making mistakes, the sort that we have lambasted our own players for, so why should we be willing for a lad at the bottom of their pile, have game time for us?
We need real competition for places so we should go out and try to bring in a guy who is really going to put our other centre-halves under instant pressure. Mee, Tarkowski, Dunk or O'Connel.
391 Posted 24/08/2020 at 16:08:05
We don't need to worry about centre-back for now, imo. We should worry about right-midfield and right-back, along with the obvious problem of centre-midfield. Hopefully we get players like Diatta and Tete on loan. And get Iwobi out of here.
392 Posted 24/08/2020 at 16:24:57
What we need is a Thiago Silva( I know we missed out on him but just making the point) to get them organized and motivated and someone like Allan in MF as a general.
You only have to see the effect Muller has on BAyern to realize the importance of experienced players.
396 Posted 24/08/2020 at 16:26:36
This season is a whole new ball game. Chelsea can sign players and boy are they taking advantage of the current climate.
Players are out there for a lesser fee, before the pandemic.
The full-back from Lille, we agreed a fee of £30 Million, then after the pandemic, we put an £18 Million bid in, which was knocked back and allowed other clubs the opportunity. With Everton refusing to pay a reduced fee of around £23 Million, had we our chance and blew it; only time will tell if we should have paid the £23 Million.
But there are other players out there, maybe we are worried about FFP, so what – go out and bring top class players in, what is the worst that can happen? A transfer ban for 12 Months, so what – we would already have the players signed for the following season to counteract that.
A 12-month expulsion from European competitions? Again, no worries here, a slap on the wrist and a fine or maybe points deduction. Again, if we bring those players in, they should more than make up any points deductions we may incur.
For the sake of standing still with our hands tied for that season, the bigger picture is we could have assembled a very strong team, ready the following season.
Other teams have exploited FFP; it is time Everton did the same, while players are available at a much lower prices.
397 Posted 24/08/2020 at 17:39:09
Absolutely spot on Brian.
So who did the negotiating ?.. Sorry who answered to whom? I mean shall we say did Brands suddenly goet a sudden rush of 'Thrift'?
More importantly, if the price came aaall the way down from £30M to £23M, why would there then be an impasse?? FFS, I would call it a Covid God-send.
Oh! Got it now – the man at the 'helm', the man who Kronke, Man Utd, FSG and all the Grade 1 Professional Sports Businessmen couldn't hold a candle to... Why, of course! It was none other than the Greatest Blue on Earth.
398 Posted 24/08/2020 at 18:00:23
He's still Chairman. The same patterns emerge now as ever was under his full ownership.
The guy is a chancer. He's been the worst thing to happen to this club. He's managed a gradual decline due to having no money and no football business strategy to grow the club, during the growth of the Premier League.
He's a grade A-tool to boot.
399 Posted 24/08/2020 at 18:01:55
I'm sorry that I can't answer your question because at 70, I'll probably have curled my toes up before Kenwright does a moonlight. He has it set in stone apparently that – no matter how many £billionaires we bankrupt looking for glory – he will still be sat there like Buddha overseeing his kingdom.
Does he ever take any responsibility for the crap this well supported club have had to endure over the years, other than the odd rumour about who came in for the club but were turned away by him to protect his toy I am not savvy to what goes on in the boardroom so I don't know if any of his Moshiri nest egg he has accumulated by selling his shares is invested back in the club or is he on a free ride for the rest of his life.
So who do we blame after Kenwright goes? Well, I assume it will be his head in the glass box switched on before every game so he can wax lyrical about Dixie, Alex, Roy, Brian, Alan, Howard and Colin to anyone who puts a tenner in the slot.
400 Posted 24/08/2020 at 18:06:15
Robert #373, I've never seen an unmotivated Gana. Not for one second in 108 appearances for us, no matter who he had around him. I'd worry about wear and tear, perhaps, but motivation? Him? Never.
Jay, all three posts were brilliant, so don't worry about it, but do please get that clicking finger checked for spasms.
David #385, agree, although today's standard for fitness training is that much of it takes place in the off-season.
Len #374, since you asked, it was Harry Truman.
401 Posted 24/08/2020 at 18:40:53
Since we have had a Director of Football, apart from Gueye, we just seem to pay a lot of money for squad players from Arsenal or Man City and are still linked with Man Utd's English players that were never that good but in the squad and got the odd game for England.
402 Posted 24/08/2020 at 18:42:07
"Bill Kenwright used to stand in the Boys Pen here, with a bicycle mounted on a stand, with the famous crossbar and flat cap, in memory of Uncle Cyril."
403 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:03:37
USM Finch Farm.
£30m for the naming rights to a stadium which at best is still 3 years away.
404 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:15:34
Edinson Cavani available on a free still only 33, would teach Calvert-Lewin loads and would provide a different attacking dimension. I think Ancelotti may have worked with him briefly at PSG. Has a better than 1:2 throughout his career.
Okay, wages would be horrendous but worth a shout.
405 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:23:55
406 Posted 24/08/2020 at 19:48:21
407 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:05:15
Various Everton players came to mind.
408 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:06:06
409 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:26:35
Totally agree. Age is not an issue, ability is.
I commented that 20 players who have played in Friday's Europa League Final were all over 30 and, in case anyone forgets, the 2 best players in the world are both over 30.
410 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:57:26
411 Posted 24/08/2020 at 20:57:50
55 goals in 47 games at that level is just... ridiculous.
15 in 10 in the Champions League is insane.
And he's 32.
412 Posted 24/08/2020 at 21:46:59
What is it they say old age and cunning will overcome youth and energy.
413 Posted 24/08/2020 at 22:02:32
414 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:14:33
If you want to find it search Yannick Bolasie return for Everton v Blackpool. He seemed like a new player!
415 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:21:47
David, thanks for the Bolasie info.
416 Posted 24/08/2020 at 23:24:00
418 Posted 25/08/2020 at 00:16:52
419 Posted 25/08/2020 at 03:45:11
You nailed it.
At my age I need to remember that.
420 Posted 25/08/2020 at 06:59:22
Won 2-1 and I was holding court in the pub later, looking very smug.
421 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:12:45
422 Posted 25/08/2020 at 07:44:35
423 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:22:21
A bit steep, imo, for a 29-year-old - but let's hope that he can do what is required for us and provide the lynchpin for a resurgent midfield.
424 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:23:00
But not all training regimes are the same.
Allan is the right player Everton need in midfield, but Everton have paid more than they should, when compared to progressive Clubs.
It's about control, rather than ownership of shares.
425 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:27:19
426 Posted 25/08/2020 at 08:39:43
Age & treachery Mike, I hope there is plenty of that behind Carlo's calm outward demeanour!
427 Posted 25/08/2020 at 09:09:19
To get players who bed in quick, has been very rare at EFC, the last few years.
Hope eternal at EFC.
428 Posted 25/08/2020 at 09:12:28
Steve Ferns at 14:59:33
. and we've just kicked off.
Steve Ferns at 15:00:58
and we're behind!
Can't see Ancelotti, Richarlison or Digne sticking around if we don't add quality to the squad.
We need at least two in the middle and a right back and if I'm pushed, a veteran striker to provide options to Calvert-Lewin and Kean who will undoubtedly blow hot and cold.
429 Posted 25/08/2020 at 09:24:47
This Boys Pen propaganda for instance is nonsensical. I'm 67 and attended 'The Pen' religiously. I was in it the day we beat Fulham to lift the title in '63. It was a dreadful place.
You could hardly see, you were caged in. Although I was raised in Kirkdale accustomed to streetlife, older tougher kids always got the best specs. Protests were met with swift retribution. It wasn't a pleasant experience at all.
The relief I felt, when as a rite of passage I graduated into the ground as a fully fledged Gladys St Gladiator, was sheer ecstacy. At last, perched on a barrier, I could actually see all the players and both goals.
How Kenwright can wax lyrical about the Boys Pen is beyond me. Judging by his manner now, I very much doubt, as a kid, that he would have lasted five minutes there.
The fee we pay for a player does not concern me. It has never altered the price of my seat or my tea and sausage roll. It's the player's performance that counts. Players aren't responsible or accountable for what the club pay for them. That accountability lies with the management.
If Allan can do the job, then his age-related fee is immaterial. I hope that his signing is followed by a strong proven experienced goalscorer, a confident central defender and most importantly, a dependable goalkeeper.
These signings needn't cost the earth, but would create a spine, right down the middle of our team. The backbone of success.
430 Posted 25/08/2020 at 09:38:22
431 Posted 25/08/2020 at 09:58:02
to the fans yet,as he is supposedly
one of us. (???!!!).
Or are we not worthy.
432 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:08:56
Money first, football second – it's probably always been like that but few appoint themselves as the greatest blue of all time.
Bill is 75 next month – when will he deem it the right time to retire? Mind you, Little Miss Dynamite will likely replace him in the hot-seat.
433 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:10:22
If he went and struggled, then the offers from other Italian clubs would be minimal. If he was a success and he got in the Juventus first team, the player would probably want to stay. And you can bet your boots Juventus would offer a lot less than we paid for him. Plus we get nothing to spend in this window – and how much of his salary would we be paying?
I see Geoff in post 430 is saying Sky Sports News are reporting Spurs have made a late bid for Allan. I think if we were to miss out on another Ancelotti target, it will really start to get worrying. All the talk was that Allan had told Napoli he only wanted to join Ancelotti, so it would be incredible if he didn't sign.
434 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:12:00
To be a fly on the wall at Finch Farm and get the gist of the reality of what's happening this preseason.
435 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:16:56
436 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:17:33
437 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:18:22
He hasn't got a clue about football.
438 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:19:22
439 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:19:44
Let's see if this week, there's some genuine good news coming through the media, as the club is staying stum.
Hopefully, preseason concerns and tensions can be eased, very soon.
We need some good news.
440 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:26:29
Yes, we could all do with a laugh, but Baddiel and Skinner? If you want a laugh, think of Kenwright being serious, he'll have you in stitches.
441 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:29:59
442 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:33:30
443 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:42:20
Even if it were true, which I highly doubt, I wouldn't be too bothered losing a player who would do that at the last moment. There are plenty of alternatives out there who would actually want to wear and fight for the shirt and that, to me, is a better outcome.
This saga has gone on long enough. We need to resolve now and move on to the next business, which I hope is done a bit more efficiently.
444 Posted 25/08/2020 at 10:55:43
“What happened there, Bill”? “Sorry boys it's not my fault I brought the wrong boots, I've got my old traineys on, the ones with the holes in. You all know the story by now.”
445 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:05:06
When we move to Bramley-Moore Dock that could be the end of Kenwright. He will be at Goodison Park every day mooching about in the rubble looking for things that remind him of 60 odd years ago and put them in his supermarket trolley.
Tears will be flowing as he looks for the threepenny bit he dropped in the Boys Pen in 1956.
Who would have thought that Uncle Cyril and his bike could end up wrecking the club he held so dearly?
446 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:15:42
I reckon Allan will come to us but, if not, I'd be happy enough with Doucore and Sangare. I think two midfielders, a mixture of youth and experience, a mixture of ball-winner and goalscorer or provider would be good. Both should be athletic and energetic though.
447 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:27:09
That story, told by Billy himself, was actually about his uncle Cyril taking him to Anfield on his bike, then Billy was handed UP the Kop to where uncle Cyril was waiting for him, “Handed up the Kop”? I've seen thousands of kids, over the years, being handed down the Kop; never, ever seen one handed up. The man just reels them off without even thinking.
He had thousands on the Kop literally laughing at him when he gave a speech at one of the Hillsborough memorials, talking about when he was at Anfield with 10,000 other Everton fans for Dave Hickson's debut on the night he played for Liverpool versus Aston Villa.
Night? It was an afternoon kick-off at 2:45 pm,
Oh, and as Jimmy Cricket would say “There's more” – lots more... and all a load of bullshit.
448 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:29:29
Some clubs, red neighbours, Man City, Spurs, Chelsea, get linked to a player and within 48 hours it's a done deal or they never show any interest.
We (although we're not alone in this) make bids, have a chat, arrange everything, ie, flights, medicals etc, and still take weeks to finalise deals. I can't remember the last time we just bought someone without any leaks and whispers unless it's transfer deadline day.
Why is it always like this?
449 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:42:05
450 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:45:30
Because we are no longer a top team and almost certainly have a reputation for wishing to string out payment periods and tend to go back to renegotiate when the deal is done (or believed to be so).
451 Posted 25/08/2020 at 11:47:33
If people don't think this meddlesome parasite, who has literally taken us for everything both on and off the pitch, is involved in some form or another, they need to give their heads a shake.
All of this was entirely predictable and predicted well before the transfer window opened. And like I've said until I'm blue in the face, until he and his cronies are cleared out and a professional management team is put in place, then nothing will change.
452 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:00:32
Having said that, there are certain clubs in every country who insist on chair/ president to chair discussions on any major transfers.
As I said above, I believe we have a reputation as hard to deal with.
453 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:12:58
454 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:22:12
Probably a rumour planted by Napoli or Allan's agent to raise interest or get a bidding war underway. If it is true, then move on, like we did with Gabriel. We wasted two summers trying to sign Sigurdsson and Zouma, followed by terrible seasons as a result.
There is plenty of value out there, so if clubs like Lille, Watford and Napoli want to dig their heels in, then move on quickly.
455 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:33:32
So do explain to me why should Everton sign top players in a blink?
I would ask a question to whoever reads this, would you like to scrap the garbage of elite/top players? Or go for 2nd level players who are young and can get to the level above?
In other words, do you want Allan, James or Benrahma, Buendia?
Who from booth sets can grew? Who would cost us more? Who would fail to expectations? Does Everton scout in Championship? (To find the next Tim Cahill.)
Does Everton scout U-17, U-19, U-20 tournaments? Or do they just watch high profile leagues, players, games? Along with a bunch of other scouts?
456 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:38:39
457 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:42:57
You are a very, very naughty boy!!!
458 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:49:23
On the plus side, we STILL have Mo Besic – who must have signed something like an 8-year contract when he joined us – and comedy winger, Yannick Bolasie.
459 Posted 25/08/2020 at 12:59:14
Make up a story and Bill's your uncle!
460 Posted 25/08/2020 at 13:13:04
Chelsea have done ok to sign 2 decent players and spurs have grabbed 2 already – one who we were linked with but most of us didn't want, and Joe Hart.
I did note, and didn't know before now, that Brighton have signed Adam Lalana from Lalaland but I can't see any evidence of Everton being any better nor worse in our dealings.
I don't follow other clubs so when they sign someone it's usually a surprise whereas with us I'm aware of who we are rumoured to be linked with so maybe that's why these deals seem long drawn out affairs?
I'm staying chilled and I'm actually looking forward to seeing Carlo's team this next season – one behind closed doors, multi substitutes running out – does not concern me one jot.
461 Posted 25/08/2020 at 13:28:44
Don't think we'll fall for it.
One good thing since Ancelotti is here, no sentimental signings rumours in the pipeline as Kenwright has no chance of saying Carlo is wrong in his assessment.
Kenwright is up against the Jeff Bezos of football management, and Carlo is right more often than wrong over many years in football, so by October we should have a better squad for next season.
2 or 3 permanent signings, and I'd like to see a further 2 "smart" loans in to push top 4 or 5. Based on Carlo's history, it's not out of the question to do and transform a squad in one season, meaning not a 0% chance of doing it. I think there is a chance he can do it with this transfer window.
462 Posted 25/08/2020 at 14:36:39
Man City – Ake and Torres (cover at centre-back and midfield) plus a teenage right-back sent straight out on loan to Belgium
Liverpool – Tsimikas (cover at left-back)
Spurs – vindictive signing of Hojbjerg (purely to piss us off even though we didn't want him)
Arsenal – Willian (and probably Gabriel but they could still get gazumped by PSG)
Chelsea – Werner and Ziyech
Sheff Utd – Ramsdale to replace the probably superior Henderson
Southampton – Salisu (bit of a shame as he looked a good fit for us at low cost) and an average right-back in Kyle Walker-Peters
That's about it. There are lots of excellent players still available. We will get about 3 in, but it'll take a few weeks as buyers, sellers and agents are slowly forced to play their hand.
463 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:07:45
464 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:16:26
465 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:19:32
For what it's worth, the England set-up seem to disagree with you, giving more caps and captaincy to Jonjoe. Transfermarkt also rates Jonjoe higher (in value) too.
Like I say, I've not really seen enough but sceptical there's much distance between the two.
Even so, my point is more generally to echo that of Mark – being that we're not unusually slow to make our move. The signings will come.
466 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:32:47
467 Posted 25/08/2020 at 15:39:34
He wallows out his diehard Evertonian, but as soon as money flashes in front of his eyes, he is happy to deck out in a Liverpool kit in the Liver birds, slating Everton off.
Okay, only acting but thankfully Bill Dean and Ken Jones never sold their soul and insisted being know as Evertonians, no matter what they appeared in.
468 Posted 25/08/2020 at 16:31:30
469 Posted 25/08/2020 at 16:40:29
Same thing happened, year-in & year-out (Davor Sukur, Guti, Kluivert) until Yakubu turned up with his own Mont Blanc fountain pen that Mark Viduka got him for Christmas. Blew the rouse. True story.
470 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:01:10
471 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:23:44
472 Posted 25/08/2020 at 17:55:15
Everton's players are being encouraged to adopt competitive mindsets in their trio of friendlies ahead of the new Premier League campaign.
Carlo Ancelotti's team have precious little time to prepare for 2020-21 – international fixtures early in September will encroach on an already reduced four-week pre-season – and, after reporting back to work on Sunday, players were fast-tracked on to their familiar training programmes.
Everton would ordinarily begin match practice five-to-six weeks prior to their opening league game.
But, in this strangest of years, the Blues' first pre-season action, against League One Blackpool on Saturday, falls three weeks before top-flight football gets under way.
Head of Physical Conditioning Francesco Mauri, then, is underlining the imperative of treating the game at Bloomfield Road as if points are at stake – even if the Italian reckons investing all-out effort is the way to go in any friendly encounter.
Everton are due to travel to Blackburn Rovers on 1 September and will arrange one additional non-competitive game, with Mauri conceding confirmation of international football's return to the calendar before the Premier League kicks off heightened the complexity of devising this pre-season campaign.
“Normally, we try to push the players to play a friendly match like a normal game, ” Mauri told evertonfc. com.
“If you don't, it can be very dangerous.
“Maybe your opponent will play strongly and if you are not ready to play strong there is a big risk of injury.
“You have to be strong in the tackle and not underestimate these kinds of games.
“Training intensity on the days before the game depends on playing time, you have to consider if you plan to have two different teams and, usually, in the first game, we plan for each player to play no more than 45 minutes.
“Every game is very stressful [on the body] and that includes friendly games.
“It is not ideal that we have the international games but it is the same for all teams – or worse for those who only just stopped playing [Manchester City and Manchester United's European campaigns finished last weekend].
“If you see the Champions League, it is pretty clear the teams who had the chance to have a break, the German and French teams, had a lot of advantages [the semi-finalists comprised two sides each from Germany and France].
“I was 100 per cent sure it was better to go into that competition after a break… and the picture shows the French and German teams are much fitter than all the others.
“In England, all the teams were very tired after playing nine games in five weeks to complete last season, then we had only three weeks break.
“It was important for the players to rest. Three weeks is not a period when you will lose condition after the heavy schedule we had. "
Mauri and his fellow fitness coaches, along with manager Ancelotti and the Club's medical team, reached a unanimous decision to resume a recognisable training pattern in the opening phase of pre-season.
Besides retaining intensity, there is a notable onus on ensuring sessions are fresh and invigorating.
Mauri this week disclosed an area filled with sand at USM Finch Farm would feature in a number of players' exercises routines.
Formerly on Ancelotti's backroom teams at Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Napoli, Mauri has every group and individual session he's overseen stored on a computer library.
The data Mauri has logged on Everton's training ground since coming with his compatriot last December gave him a head start in readiness for pre-season, as opposed to eight months ago when he began from scratch.
“The GPS [Global Positioning System] and cardio data are helpful for me and all the guys who work with me, " said Mauri.
“You can compare today's session with a session before the break and understand where the players are; if you can push more the next day, or if you have to give some rest.
“With this technology it is very helpful for the physical staff to have data and videos – to consider these things together when planning the sessions.
“I have all the training I did in my life on my laptop.
“I like to find similar players [he worked with at previous clubs] to understand if I can use certain stimulus with the players I am training now.
“It is important to save everything and I have a lot of video.
“If you have a big library of your exercises, you can always use it – or just change something – to create new exercises. ”
473 Posted 25/08/2020 at 18:09:17
474 Posted 25/08/2020 at 21:00:54
But there's a lot of relegation chat earlier in this thread.
The only way we get relegated is if the perfect shit-storm occurs:
No new signings
Richarlison gets seriously injured
Digne gets seriously injured
a midfielder gets injured leaving us short of central players
That's it. Ain't gonna happen.
Knocking on wood.
475 Posted 25/08/2020 at 21:30:31
If Allan signs for Spurs, it's like, "one came out of the north end of a southbound horse."
Mike Gaynes I've never heard that expression before, and I absolutely love it. Clearly your time reading all these Scouse quips is starting to finally rub off and pay dividends.
476 Posted 25/08/2020 at 22:48:18
477 Posted 26/08/2020 at 00:18:44
478 Posted 26/08/2020 at 01:07:01
479 Posted 26/08/2020 at 02:57:25
480 Posted 26/08/2020 at 03:00:34
483 Posted 29/08/2020 at 10:53:42
The apathy and lethargy in this squad is pathetic, I can't see us finishing top half of the table. Our midfield is far too pedestrian to play 4-4-2, they will get overrun in most games.
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