Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse

Michael Kenrick 16/05/2021 319comments  |  Jump to last

James Rodriguez was declared fit by Carlo Ancelotti and played for the first time since his start against Arsenal 3 weeks ago
EVERTON 0 - 1 SHEFFIELD UNITED

Everton inexplicably lost their penultimate home match of the season to bottom dwellers Sheffield United in another atrocious display that plumbed the depths of incomprehension.

The good news for a team that was crying out for inspiration and creativity during the goalless draw the Villa Park on Thursday is that James Rodriguez has been declared fit to play. That was the story prior to the home game with Aston Villa a fortnight ago, of course, but this time Ancelotti expects him to make it past the warm-up.

With his compatriot, Yerry Mina, still out, the Colombian is the only change to the XI that started last time out, replacing Gylfi Sigurdsson who was disappointing against Villa, with the continuation of the three-man central defensive unit of Ben Godfrey, Michael Keane and Mason Holgate, flanked by Seamus Coleman and Lucas Digne as wingbacks.

The expectation is that James will be able to make the difference for a Toffees side that has been tentative and toothless going forward in his absence. While Josh King, whose signing becomes a deeper mystery with every passing game, is not even on the bench.

For Sheffield Utd, former Everton players Phil Jagielka and John Lundstram are on the bench.

The game kicked off in pouring rain, with the Blades this time hoofing it straight out of play. From there, the play was really quite open, with a fair bit of good passing and movement. Digne got in one good cross, but Calvert-Lewin could not handle the pace of a very direct pass as James picked him out brilliantly in the penalty area.

But it was the visitors who benefitted from the openness, young Jebbison on his debut benefitting from some fine work by Robinson who danced around Allan and he had a simple finish for the first goal after just 7 minutes. Apparently his hero is Calvert-Lewin, who likes scoring simple goals like that for The Blues.

At the other end, the old Blades player won a corner with a deflected shot and, from the corner, Allan tested Ramsdale with a fine shot that he parried for another corner. The Blades attacked again and had Everton at sixes and sevens, Digne clearing to empty Row Z in desperation.

The visitors were having a fine time in the pouring rain, or was it Everton tears from heaven at yet another abysmal home display? They seemed completely unable to get a grip on the game and resorted to the dreaded short back and sideways passing to nowhere. James tried to play in Richarlison but he was thinking wistfully about Copacabana beach.

A cross finally came in for Calvert-Lewin and he headed it on target but with not enough power to trouble Ramsdale. Coleman forced a corner, with the ball hitting the defender's arm, the corner launched over everyone.

Basham was in hard on Digne with his studs showing but only got a yellow card. Everton did absolutely nothing with the free-kick. Instead, the visitors built an attack, McGoldrick's shot was blocked and Fleck followed up with a great shot that Pickford batted away.

James Rodriguez was really struggling to make any impression, giving weight to the thought that he is more of a fair-weather player who could not do much in the pouring rain. Jebbison came so close to getting his second after a horrible mistake by Holgate.

Rodriguez finally got the ball in a great position off Allan and we looked for the net to bulge but a defender deflected his shot off-target. Two corners came to nothing. Finally, an exquisite ball from Rodriguez in to Richarlison was headed well by him and saved brilliantly by Ramsdale but Calvert-Lewin thought he could just tap in the rebound instead of lashing it into the roof of the net and, guess what, the keeper could easily recover and stop it. Shocking miss.

Keane played in a fairly difficult ball for Richarlison, who chose to volley it acrobatically, definitely a goalscoring chance, but he didn't catch it right, to sum up a truly dismal half. There have been some awful games played by Everton at Goodison Park this season but, judging by the first half, this one is going to take the soggy wet biscuit.

Perhaps in an expression of his annoyance for once, Carlo Ancelotti makes an almost unprecedented change at half-time, Holgate dragged off and replaced by Sigurdsson, whose first touch was to pass it straight to a Sheffield player!

With the rain finally relenting, Everton shaped a somewhat better attack, Doucouré crossing in low and James trying to make something, but all they got was a corner that Sigurdsson lofted in to Ramsdale. Sigurdsson played in Calvert-Lewin but he took just a fraction too long and did not lift his shot over the defender's leg.

It wasn't really working though, as Everton continued to huff and puff without really making any inroads. Like far too many supposedly 'inferior' sides this season, Sheffield Utd were controlling the game and Everton had no meaningful answer.

James gave away a soft foul that allowed The Blades to set up a free header at the far post that was fortunately headed well over. Then James did it again on the other side and got booked for it. Time to come off? Egan won the first header again but Calvert-Lewin got a good defensive header in to save more Everton blushes.

A great ball forward to Richarlison was lashed goalwards but not with enough guile to beat the keeper, who batted it behind at the near post. The visitors attacked again and caused nervous moments in the Everton defence.

James finally got his wish, Bernard his replacement, with 15 minutes of this agony to endure and Everton showing less and less signs of scoring, while McGoldrick had a great chance to double the score. Gomes also replaced Doucouré, the final play of the dice from Ancelotti.

Calvert-Lewin was barged over for a set-piece, Baldock getting a card. The set-piece as disappointing as ever, cleared by a defender, but a corner won on the next phase. That was cleared as well, but at least Everton were finally putting some balls into the Blades area.

But it was the visitors who responded to the pressure with some committed defending and a flurry of balls played upfield, the blue shirts powerless to stop the inevitable course of this dire display. To epitoomise Everton's quandary, Coleman fell flat on his face.

Richarlison won a late corner in 3 minutes of added time. Godfry headed it over.,

Kick-off: 7:00pm, Sunday 16 May 2021 on BT Sport 1
Referee: Jon Moss
VAR: Simon Hooper

Everton: Pickford, Coleman, Holgate(46' Sigurdsson), Keane, Godfrey, Digne, Allan, Doucouré (78' Gomes), James [Y:65'] (78' Bernard), Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
Subs: Virginia, Olsen, Delph, Iwobi, Nkounkou, Davies.

Sheffield United: Ramsdale, Basham [Y:27'], Egan, Stevens, Baldock, Osborn, Norwood, Fleck, Robinson, Jebbison, McGoldrick.
Subs: Lundstram, Lowe, Jagielka, Foderingham, Bogle, Brewster, Bryan, Brunt, Gordon.


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Neil Lawson
1 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:06:46
Team selection so predictable. So uninspiring. So disappointing. Hope they make a mug of me but why do I doubt it?
Frank Crewe
2 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:14:02
Who else did you expect? That's about the best side we can name right now.
Brent Stephens
3 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:15:54
Your side would have been what, then, Neil?
Dave Williams
4 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:18:02
Definitely the best available with full backs providing width
Go boys!!
Danny O’Neill
5 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:19:12
3-5-2?

With James doing his own thing?

Dave Bowen
6 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:20:10
Where’s King? Last chance saloon for Richarlison as far as I’m concerned.
Stephen Vincent
7 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:27:52
I'm with Neil, totally predictable. In view of the relevance of the fixture and the opposition and our woeful goal difference why are we setting up not to lose.

We again have 2 goalkeepers on the bench plus Bernard who has done bugger all this season and will be off in the summer. Surely there are half a dozen of the juniors who would benefit from involvement.

I'd have played Siggy instead of Holgate in an attempt to give us some width and I take it that King is now no longer required. We could have saved 6 months wages for all the involvement he has had.

Read somewhere that Nkounkou is the most unused sub in the PL this season.

Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:32:46
Stephen

Sig was poor in James’ absence so maybe a form selection? King I’m guessing is injured? If not Carlo must really think he’s hopeless

Jay Harris
9 Posted 16/05/2021 at 18:58:29
Can we please save any negativity until after the game.
Very few of us would pick the same team so let’s leave it to the manager.
Richey for all his loss of form still puts more of a shift in than the majority of the team.
King does not look fit enough for 90 minutes.
2 wingbacks with a back 3 is a system used by all the top teams and is not negative
Neil Lawson
10 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:01:48
Thanks Stephen. At least 2 of us who think that we should set up to win, rather than to protect ourselves from the mighty Sheffield United.
Phil Smith
11 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:12:59
This is exactly why our season has fizzled out. We’ve had injuries; players have looked tired and off the pace, but Ancelotti has persisted to put square pegs in round holes instead of throwing younger, hungrier players in, like Utd. here. 17 year old bags the opener. We look like the team in last place. Totally off the pace yet again.
Tony Twist
12 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:31:47
Bruce Almighty on tv, Bruce must be an Everton supporter. Liverpool score late winner, Everton then rub it in as only Everton can. 0-1 after 7 minutes, utter dross.
Phil Smith
13 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:34:21
It’s clear the Ancelotti wants to play a certain way but doesn’t have the players to do it. He should be trying to get the best out of what he has. Surely that’s what a great coach does. 10th place beckons.

Gonna give it 10 more minutes then I’m gonna read a book, which will be considerably more interesting than the shite we’re serving up again. This has to be the most frustrating season after what we were looking at at the start if the season. The buzz of having James has worn off and the Everton camp is not a happy one. Season over.

Phil Wood
14 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:36:44
Predictable at the moment. I don't think anyone is surprised tonight. We have seen this all season.
No youth with be given a chance. We will sign more aging men on big contracts who Carlo needs to hit the ground running to fulfil promises of the golden fleece quick time.
I like Carlo as a person and his track record is fabulous but we are not a good fit for him and he is not a good fit for us.
Stan Schofield
15 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:38:40
Well it’s nice to know there are some things in life that are very reliable. One of them is that Everton will be completely shite against a completely shite team, in such a way that the latter are made to look really good. God is in his heaven, and Everton are shite.
Sean O’Hanlon
16 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:41:22
Humiliation of the season.

Taxi for Ancelotti.

Rob Sachro
17 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:42:42
This is embarrassing. Showing nothing against the worst team in the division.
Neil Lawson
18 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:48:50
This is just shameful.

To answer those who challenged my comments earlie, I would have left Holgate out. Why do we need 5 defenders? I would have selected Tom to allow Allan and Doucouré more freedom and to permit James to do what he does best. If King had been available, I would have left Mr Sulky out.

It has to change at half-time. This is so poor again. And if King is not available, where is the back-up striker? Are all the youngsters that shit that they cannot be on the bench?

I despair...

Kevin Molloy
19 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:49:05
And Tom can't get in this shit poke side?

Okay.

Phil Smith
20 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:50:36
Richarlison has stank the place out again. Never looks like he's gonna score. Calvert-Lewin as well. If you can't score that chance, there's no hope for us today. Absolute disgrace. Now, where's that book...
Kevin Dyer
21 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:51:19
Stunned into (near) silence.
Ciarán McGlone
22 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:52:44
Everton's season can be neatly summed up by the opening line of A Tale of Two Cities.

If the Dickensian selections and tactics continue into next season, then I cant see Ancelotti lasting too long.

Grim.

Brian Hennessy
23 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:54:59
A shocking first-half performance. We have made Sheffield United look like Man City.

Holgate's back pass sums him up as a player – terrible... yet Carlo keeps picking him. If I could get into the dressing room at half-time, I would kick the shit out of every one of our players, They are embarrassing.

Ray Robinson
24 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:55:08
Whole season hinges on second half. 2-1 to us with Pickford scoring the winner! Must renew my prescription.
Neil Lawson
25 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:55:53
I have the solution. Delph and Iwobi. All is not lost!!
Danny Baily
26 Posted 16/05/2021 at 19:59:31
Ciaran 22, it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times???
Clive Rogers
27 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:00:37
Bad mistake by Godfrey for their goal. You can't try to play offside that close to goal. If he'd stepped the other way, he could have cleared it.
Paul Birmingham
28 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:00:42
Big second half, and Everton will recover and win this match.

Everton had a stinker generally and can only improve.

Nows the time to back the team and Ray, I'll have some of the same.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:01:03
I've done enough swearing over Liverpool's winner early on tonight to try and put any suitable words to another pathetic home performance. Sadly, I hope I'm wrong.

I don't expect it to get any better. Heart-breaking to watch such amateur rubbish.

Kevin Dyer
30 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:03:09
To be honest, we are only playing a back 3 because Seamus can't play full-back anymore and we have nobody else. I'd roll the dice anyway, take Holgate off for Davies, switch to a 4-3-3 which worked for us early season. Richarlison on the left, James on the right, Tom sitting deep behind Doucouré and Allan. Fuck it, why not?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

31 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:04:26
Shambolic. All credit to the Blades. They look as if they have twice as many players on the pitch, so effectively have they harried, chased and closed us down all over the park.

The goal was comically bad.

Was it first Holgate tight on the right touchline that did a 10-second no-touchee-ballee with the Sheffield player without getting close to tackle or cut off his passing lines?

That alone should have given the defence time to be set and alert to cut out any threat. But no. A simple pass to a simple run. The Blades man breaks through two non-tackles by Doucoure and Allan at the corner of our penalty area. Godfrey switches off and wanders off his man and the 17-year-old debut kid has a tap-in.

They've been breaking through all our 'tackles' since and been passing better through our lines. Marginally, only marginally, Michael Keane and Allan are the only two players looking to break through their lines with the ball at their feet or passing. But Sheffield Utd are snuffling out everything.

Dom already tracking back to the half-way line and even our half to fetch the ball. That's not where we want him. He and Richarlison between them should have equalised on the stroke of half-time. Our corners are woeful.

Holgate. Wow. Where has the player who did so well under Carlo last season gone?

The back pass that almost gifted them a second goal was disturbing. He could see the entire play. If you are going to pass back as he did, then the weight of the ball has to be right. That he could see the play, had time to evaluate what he needed to do and make the play he did points to me a player whose head is just not right at the moment.

It's going to take quite a turnaround from that 1st half 'performance' to retrieve this.

Sean O’Hanlon
32 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:06:27
Why doesn't he bring on Nkounkou? Fuck all to lose. We're out of Europe.
Kevin Dyer
33 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:07:52
Well, Holgate off but we're playing 4-4-2 by the looks of it with Rodriguez right and Sigurdsson left? Don't get that at all.
Brian Williams
34 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:10:39
I've actually given up trying to fathom why we're so bad, so lacking in anything approaching intensity or enthusiasm.

Is there something awfully wrong behind the scenes? Something the players are really not happy about?

It goes beyond tactics etc, IMO, they just don't look up for it.

Kevin Dyer
35 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:19:40
It's 4-4-2 changing to 4-2-2-2 when we're in possession.
Kevin Molloy
36 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:19:58
Watching this, it might be all for the best that we didn't make the Champions League this season. I'm not sure we're ready.
Mal van Schaick
37 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:24:15
Embarrassing. Don’t know where to start. This lot could you get in the dominoes league.
Kevin Dyer
38 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:28:19
Rodriguez off for Bernard? Don't understand that one.
Craig Walker
41 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:35:36
Same old failings so far. No passion, energy or speed. Poor final ball. Lazily knocking it across the park. Sick of it now.
Phil Wood
42 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:39:35
Masterclass from this team in red, white and black. Is it Man Utd we are playing? I didn't catch the team name at the start but it must be as it looks like 2nd place versus mid-table.

I've got to make light of it because I don't want to throw the TV out of the window or ruin the family Sunday by freaking out.

Paul Birmingham
43 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:41:58
You’d think Everton had been relegated. Only one team is up for this game.

Alas sadly as too often this season, no urgency, no stomach, no fight.

A truly stinking bad week for Everton, gets worse. Only 4 or 5 players worth a squad place next season.

This game requires the miracle of miracles, for Everton to win.

James Fletcher
44 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:43:25
Our inability to play 5-yard passes accurately never ceases to amaze me.
Bill Gall
45 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:43:51
Kevin,

Champions League? You'd better hope we don't make that new European competition for the not good enough for the competitive competitions teams. We would most probably get knocked out in the first round by a team of amateur painters and plasterers.

Frank McGregor
46 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:47:02
Time to try to get Graham Potter from Brighton, I am sure he is the manager to put Everton back to where they should be.

This team is going nowhere but down under the present set-up.

I really did think Carlo was the answer but unfortunately he has not got what it takes.

Sean O’Hanlon
47 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:49:37
Before the game, people on here were moaning about other ToffeeWebbers being too negative... How can anyone find anything positive in that pile of crap?? So eat your fucking words.

An absolute disgrace. Ancelotti should leave immediately. The biggest humiliation of the Premier League.

Neil Lawson
48 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:51:50
Shameful
Abject
Disgraceful
Appalling
Gutless
Woeful
Dreadful
Embarrassing
Pathetic
Abysmal
Shite
Total utter shite.

Take the job at Real if they offer it to you, Mr Ancelotti.

George Cumiskey
49 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:52:32
Let's hope Real come in for Carlo because he is clueless with an average team, or below average, as Everton are.

By the way, where all the ToffeeWebbers who were predicting a 4-0 or 5-0 win? Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Phil Wood
50 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:52:35
By far the best team won. Sorry performance from the Blues.
Andy Finigan
51 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:53:04
For crying out loud, if the club didn't know already, they know now.
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:53:29
Performance far worse than the result, which takes some doing against the worst team in the Premier League. Hats off to the players for making unused subs like Iwobi seem like better options. Remarkable!
Kieran Kinsella
53 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:54:50
Neil 48

We’re those your player ratings? Seem pretty apt

Kevin Prytherch
54 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:55:37
Completely lost in midfield yet again. Playing a 3-4-3 with wing backs does not compensate for wide midfielders, playing Sigurdsson and James with 2 strikers on the pitch leaves only 2 midfielders. We’ve seen this same mistake time and time again all season and Carlo keeps making it.

The only times we seem to have any passion is when Davies plays, but Carlo only plays him as a last resort.

Digne plays best with a midfield partner to make overlapping runs, I can’t remember the last time he had a midfield partner.

Coleman - see Digne

Richarlison can’t play up front, yet Carlo persists with him there.

Sigurdsson can’t play in midfield and can’t play against tight defences, yet Carlo will pick him ahead of virtually every other player.

If this was Silva we’d all be slating him, but Carlo gets lot more breathing space based solely on reputation. Carlo should not escape criticism, he continues to pick teams and formations that do not get the best out of his players and continually overlooks players based on reputation and cost rather than what they can actually do on the pitch.

Phil Wood
55 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:56:06
Thank God we were not playing Barcelona Ladies!
David Hallwood
56 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:56:16
Need the points for Europe. Playing the worst team in the Premier League, who've only won 1 away game...

What could possibly go wrong?

Gavin Johnson
57 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:56:27
What a disgrace!
Craig James
58 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:57:11
#50 Phil, i totally agree but this stems from the manager and the way he has set the team up past few games.

Great past etc as a player and manager but well past his sell-by date, clueless, no Plan A or B or C and living on past glories.

That's it for me this season, we had a great chance for Champions League or even Europa League but once again we fluff our lines.

Some players also need to have a long hard look at themselves.

Rant over, enjoy all.

Bob Skelton
59 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:57:18
Not good enough for European football. Really poor footballers. It'll be interesting for me when I take my seat Wednesday. They won't get away with the shite I've seen over the season, manager and players!
Michael Stevenson
60 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:57:23
Utter disgrace. Not just this game but our entire home season. Of course not having fans in doesn't help but there's clearly something not working here. The buck stops with Carlo I'm afraid.
Bill Fairfield
61 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:57:37
For fuck's sake, Carlo, just what do you and your staff do all week at Finch Farm?

It's pure shite served up, week-in & week-out.

Craig Walker
62 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:58:25
So many players I don't want to see in royal blue again. To be honest, it's just what I expected this afternoon.

Starting to think that Richarlison is a liability. Gomes, Holgate, Keane, Bernard, Iwobi, Delph aren't good enough. Fed up of seeing balls being ponderously played from right to left to right to centre-back to keeper.

No speed, bite, running with the ball. No movement up front and two forwards who play like they hate each other. Problems all over the pitch.

No positives apart from 2 games to go before this sorry season ends.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

63 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:58:32
I was reduced to laughing at just how poor we were all over the park by the end.

No question, the Blades totally merited that win. Better organized. Better on the ball. More energy. More bite in challenging for every ball.

By contrast, not one Everton player stepped up to say 'Fook this! Give me the ball! Let's sort this out!'

So many bad performances and so many individual bad plays.

I laughed, but it really wasn't funny.

That was atrocious.

Paul Birmingham
64 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:59:26
No complaints from me, and this arguably worst performance of 2021, - there may well be others, sums up the mediocrity of this squad.

No character, guts, belief, Captainship and desire.

Definitely watching Everton, is bad for your health.

There’s some issue with the attitudes in the three games this last week, and since West Ham, they’re been poor.

What a let down, and Wolves up next then City.

Wretched season and the cycle of mediocrity looks like to continue, as which decent player wants to come to Everton, after this level of performance.

Hopeless and guileless today, playing crab pedestrian football.

Everton got what they deserved, and the season final positions tell the truth.

Martin Berry
65 Posted 16/05/2021 at 20:59:59
Everton pitiful and Carlo clueless. How do teams with inferior players come to Goodison and get results?

We would have been booed off so many times this season with fans in attendance but next season there will be nowhere to hide!

Kunal Desai
66 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:00:29
The season is over. The remaining two games are meaningless.

I will watch the summer closely; do I trust Brands and Carlo to get it right in the transfer market? I highly doubt it.

Andy Crooks
67 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:01:30
For the first time in over 50 years, I feel towards Carlo what I have never felt for any Everton manager; indifference. I really couldn't care if he left or was sacked tomorrow any more than I would care if he got a 10-year contract extension.

I honestly never thought I would feel like this after one of the worst showings I have ever seen but I, honest to God, don't give a shit about Carlo's team anymore.

Fran Mitchell
68 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:02:07
The wheels have well and truly come off.

A few things are clear: Coleman, Holgate, Gomes, Sigurdsson, and Bernard are not good enough. Add that to the list of others in the squad.

Digne, Richarlison, and James are all seriously out of form. Calvert-Lewin looks to be waiting for the Euros.

More importantly, we are devastatingly slow. Both in movement and passing. Players don't find space, so players in possession run around in circles (literally) before playing a sideways pass.

We are reliant on Calvert-Lewin getting on the end of something, but no real plan to get that something.

We lack width, invention, pace, and we are too easy to play through. Lack of shape means Allan and Doucouré are all over the place, out on the right, over to the left chasing, always chasing.

And then the basics, simple passing and moving, is done poorly, no triangles, no communication.

There is so much lacking.

I still would not put this on Ancelotti. Not that he isn't blameless. But I do think he can improve it. A new manager, a new 'restart', isn't what we need.

Ancelotti can't be happy and will know what he wants to improve it. I'm willing to give him another season to do so.

But our home form is pathetic.

Wholesale changes are needed but are not forthcoming.

Priority must be wingers and a right full-back. Pace and energy. If James does stay, he has to be used in the middle. But equally we need a better reserve for him than Sigurdsson or Gomes.

Sell Iwobi, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Delph, Coleman, Holgate, Bernard. If needed for money, I'd not be against Richarlison leaving for a decent fee but he is better than we're getting at the moment and I'd like to see him play to his best with us again.

How I long for the days of James linking with Digne and Richarlison on the left, with them setting up on a plate for Calvert-Lewin. That playbook seems to have vanished off the earth.

Tony Twist
69 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:02:13
That's what you get by trying to cut corners.

A bone idle manager, who isn't here to blood in the youth, he is here to win games. What a joke. Carlo is a very limited manager who needs established pros to try and preserve his fading reputation.

Unfortunately, the people running the club are just as clueless. The last time things were done correctly was the Moyes era, no short-cuts, just hard work and professionalism. We are so far away from this ethos, it's unreal.

Mike Doyle
70 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:02:23
Brian #34,

I can't fathom it either. I don't believe the players are not interested, but we seem to be incapable of putting a few passes together (other than the pointless sideways one the defenders make).

The build-up play is so slow and ponderous that the opponents have plenty of time to set up, thus we create few decent chances. And most of these players are experienced internationals.

My daughter (who has no interest in football) watched the 2nd half with me and kept asking why Everton keep passing back when there is little time left and they are losing? I wish I had an answer.

Be interested to see how thy players react in mid-week with fans in the ground.

Ian Edwards
71 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:02:24
He has to go. No ifs. No buts. That performance was unacceptable. Not even a shot on target in the second half. Embarrassing, abysmal. I genuinely fear about relegation if he's in charge next season.
Sean O’Hanlon
72 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:03:07
10th place finish. An improvement on 12th place last season.

Well done, Carlo.

Paul Davies
73 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:03:19
Reminds me of the anti-football that was played under Walter and Archie. But this time with supposedly better players. Embarrassing!
Ray Jacques
74 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:03:30
No words.
Brent Stephens
75 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:03:41
Ian "He has to go. No ifs. No buts".

He's not going. Get over it.

Kieran Kinsella
76 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:04:06
Kunai

Five Brands signings started, seven more only good enough for the bench. Can't wait to see what gutless geriatrics he has lined up this summer.

Craig Walker
77 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:04:16
Reminded me of Bournemouth at home last game of last season. I remember naming players from that I never wanted to play for us again. We never learn!
Stephen Brown
78 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:04:23
Pickford: keep, just about.
Coleman: great servant but gone.
Digne: used to think he was top notch but now not convinced.
Godfrey: keep and make captain.
Keane: squad only.
Holgate: sell! Dreadful.
Allan: not sure now.
James: class but completely gutless.
Doucouré: not sure now.
Richarlison: sell whilst we still can.
Calvert-Lewin: keep... just.

Dreadful.

Cristobal Aguirre
80 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:04:33
Inexplicably? It was too obvious! we played against a team so much better than us. I am very happy because we improved in comparison with last season when they obviously beat us 2-0. Today it was just 1-0, so it was a fantastic day for us. Never forget that we are the worst team in Premier League. It is a miracle we have 58 points, that is for Carlo.

Seriously speaking, do you think we can get promotion in the Championship with this kind of performance? With this kind of player? Just imagine dealing with teama like Sheffield Utd each week. For sure we will fight for relegation in the Championship and probably we would manage to score a range 10-15 goals in all 46 matches. That is the reality. With any other manager, we will be now in Sheffield Utd's position.

We have the most dreadful, pathetic, and lack of commitment players in the world. Apart from a couple of them (Coleman, Digne, Calvert-Lewin, maybe Allan) no-one deserves to play for us.

Hywel Owen
81 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:04:42
Losing tonight was not inexplicable. The plain fact is that the real Carlo was assassinated in 2019 and this one is a doppleganger who does not have the slightest clue about anything. Get rid of him, his useless son, and his pathetic tactics NOW.

Also, get rid of at least eight of the players who started tonight. Unsworth's U23 squad would at least put an effort in, unlike this bunch of shitbag mercenaries. Unless his team score first, Carlo does not have any idea what to do.

Richard Nelson
82 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:05:01
No point "cryin over spilt milk"... the warning signs have been there all season. Everyone knows, the quality just isn't there, never has been...!
Andy Riley
83 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:05:20
We need to find the 2021 version of Moyes 2002. It must be a young hungry manager who can find players with the three Ps – passion, pace and power. Somehow, we manage to acquire players who lack all three!
Pat Kelly
84 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:05:31
I have no faith in Ancelotti. And the players seem to have even less. Let's cut our losses — pun intended.
Raymond Fox
85 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:05:39
Just unbelievable... but par for the course, isn't it?

Why the hell I keep supporting this club, I don't know, I think I'll have a serious talk with myself and maybe try skydiving instead.

Europe? You must be joking!

Jerome Shields
86 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:05:39
My worse fears may be realised. Most of this squad are not interested in European Football. Amongst those that prepare them. . . ditto. There is no chance of European Football with this squad and if they do their sums they will want to finish 9th or 10th to make absolutely sure.

What you have is a significant amount of the squad and backroom staff downing tools on the manager as they have done with other managers. The fact it is Ancelotti makes no difference to this lot. Ancelotti probably is thinking this is the worse squads he has ever managed.

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:06:28
It was a 4-4-2 without width, and it actually made us look like we had no forwards.

No other words except that Goodison looks a huge pitch, when these second rate teams have the ball, and yet it looks so much tighter when Everton have the ball, and it's like this every time Everton's main tactic moves away from defending as a team.

Justin Harris
88 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:06:30
I really can't cope with this abject zombie football anymore. Every game is the same, we currently play some of the worst football I have watched in 34 years of watching the Blues. We have no variation, no penetration, with half of our players unable to play a first-time pass or even pass it 5 yards.

We made McGoldrick look like Xavi tonight and every team that comes to Goodison out footballs us. We don't even show the fight and passion that some of our poorer sides in the past at least showed. I despair... I really do!!

Lee Courtliff
89 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:06:36
It's not just that we lose, it's that we make every team that comes to Goodison look good. Really good.

Newcastle, Fulham, Burnley, Sheffield United, etc haven't just beaten us...they've played us off the park.

And I'm very, very worried about Carlo being allowed to bring in more ageing 'stars' who have no real interest in the club and can barely be arsed playing unless they happen to be in the mood.

Nkounkou should definitely have been given more minutes this season. Even as left winger, just like we used Seams on the right wing 10 years ago.

Derek Taylor
90 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:01
Carlo out, Bielsa in. At least he would make these lazy buggers run about a bit!
Si Cooper
91 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:13
Just so bad. Only Pickford didn't embarrass himself. On that performance I wouldn't keep any of the outfield players.

McGoldrick looked like the classiest midfielder on the park. Passing slow and underhit so many times apart from the aimless lumps into their area. So many wrong choices.

Don't really know where we go from here. Ancelotti will be praying he gets that call from Real Madrid.

Conor Skelly
92 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:13
That's that then.

Where to from here?

Keep:

Pickford
Godfrey
Davies
King
Mina
James ... just.

Sell everyone else.

David Connor
93 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:27
Just bite the bullet, Moshiri and sack the man tonight. Everything is far too cozy at Everton for both players and staff.

Carlo is finished as a top manager, his enthusiasm has gone and the players know it. Get some ruthless fucker in there who isn't afraid to ruffle a few feathers. If the players don't like it, let 'em fuck off. Need to lose at least 10 players from that squad, 7 of which played tonight.

Unforgivable from top to bottom. Them and the manager are clueless. Our season is over. Just hope the fans let their feelings be known against Wolves because it's another defeat coming up. Moshiri must be wishing he had never purchased the club.

Roger Helm
94 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:51
0-1 flattered us we never looked like winning or even scoring. If two forwards v a goalie can't score and two centre-halves can't stop a child scoring...

Looks like Carlo is good with Champions League sides but maybe not with our class of player. For me, every player but Pickford, Calvert-Lewin, Allan and Godfrey can go this summer. If Moshiri has about £200m going spare, we may have a competitive team next season.

Simon Dalzell
95 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:07:59
Hard to comprehend. Gutless, guileless, shameful. This seems like an all-time low. No evidence of a game plan. We don't even look committed.

The buck stops with Carlo. He looks trapped in the headlights. Well said, Derek. Bielsa would get considerably more out of even these wasters.

Gerard Pauls
96 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:08:31
Did anybody honestly expect any thing different from this bunch over-hyped, over-paid prima donnas?

The manager to me has been a huge disappointment, for all his so-called knowledge, he looked clueless. There is no pride, endeavour or willingness to get stuck in and fight for the shirt.

I could weep how badly we have lost our pride and spunk... nil satis nisi optimum... don't make me laugh.

The majority of players need to hang their heads in shame; I wonder who's turn is it to come out and explain the game plan?

Most of this squad are on easy street at Everton and basically don't give a shit. At other clubs, drastic changes would be made... but hey, this is good old Everton – as long as Kenwright remains in a position of influence, not a thing will change.

The demise of a once-proud football club.

Ian Edwards
97 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:08:35
Brent 75. We're heading for relegation next season then.
Stephen Brown
98 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:09:12
Why do I only want to hear about the 80s, the Holy Trinity, Dixie Dean, EitC, People's Club, Big Dunc until we've won a trophy again?

Leicester City yesterday made me cringe – how we have become such a complete non-entity of a club!

Yesterday's news!!! Going nowhere! How do you legislate for a performance like that! Does anyone really care within the club?? I'm not sure they really do?

Embarrassing! 3 points to help get into Europe.... nothing!!! Awful!!! I wish I didn't care!!

Neil Lawson
99 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:10:03
Jay 63. That's not fair. Pickford, on his various departures from the goal area, was the outstanding outfield player and should not be included with the other 13 failures.
Phil Rodgers
100 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:10:53
Just no desire on the pitch whatsoever. Fucking embarrassing.
Barry Thompson
101 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:10:56
Jay @ 63 - ditto.
Trevor Powell
102 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:11:09
What happened to all that optimism from last September? What has happened to the beating heart of the attractive style?

At 68, I have just been diagnosed with heart arrhythmia and expect in July to have a cardioversion procedure to "reboot" my heart via an electric shock.

Could someone give the procedure to this team as soon as possible, including the whole management team.

Really ashamed of what is happening at a club where I saw my first ever game in 1961.

Christine Foster
103 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:11:32
Ungodly hour of the morning to wake up to that. Not going to even attempt to disagree with anyone's comments because that team, to a man, was not good enough.

No point picking out individuals, and let's face it, I think Holgate will be sold, as he should be, along with 7 or 8 others..

Utter, utter tripe. Cannot be bothered to break it down and analyse because the truth of the matter is, no matter how you set up a team, if too many players aren't good enough, then they all sink.

Clear them out and start again. Thank god this team won't be in Europe. Rather sad to be a Blue tonight; I am over being angry.

Brent Stephens
104 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:11:35
Ian, calm down, we won't be relegated next season. Take a deep breath.
Alex Gray
105 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:12:19
At this point, if you expected more, then it's more fool you. I turned off at half-time. I knew the result. You can just tell after ten minutes how it's going to pan out.

Coleman is our right winger and Iwobi is his back-up. Gomes, Sigurdsson and Bernard brought on to try and change the game.

Half a billion spent and just look at our squad. I deluded myself thinking when we got players back, we'd be better... but these bottle-jobs have played this way under Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Fat Sam. Brands should be sacked on the spot.

I honestly don't care who the manager is because the only threat we carry is our left-back. We're an utter joke.

George McKane
106 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:12:30
I have not changed my love of being an Evertonian but decisions - tactics - choices - and continuous serving up of absolute garbage has left me personally unable to defend manager, management, or players. I still love my Club and fellow Evertonians - but feel very little for the bulk of management and players. Sad.
Derek Moore
107 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:12:35
Prior to the game, I professed my respect for the Evertonians who still believe and love this club so very much. Much more belief than I can allow myself to grant them at this stage of supporting them.

I'd like to profess that respect loudly again. For me, precious few if any of this playing group have earned your belief nor have they repaid it.

A last-minute Liverpool winner to their goalkeeper, immediately followed by the most recent effort we just witnessed today, is the most compelling case for the defence you could possibly offer. That was a uniquely dreadful and wholly Everton experience.

Another very disappointing day to be an Evertonian, sadly. I hope we get a team soon that can repay some of the faith, but hope is all it is.


Simon Dalzell
108 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:13:27
Roger 94. I must have fallen asleep it was that bad. I missed their second goal.
Ian Riley
109 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:14:13
Hard work wins matches!! Either its attitude or motivation or both? A clear out must begin!

All the clubs we have lost to have worked harder. Interesting that a lot of the clubs have been in the bottom half of the table!

It was stated we don't need to sell before we buy players!! Oh yes we do!! If we do not sell we are in trouble next season. Our away form has kept us in the league.

Carlo must give the board a list of players that won't be given a squad number next season. Move them on!!!

Please tell me how we are 8th in the league??

Michael Connelly
110 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:14:17
Sorry, why is this result surprising to people? Why was anyone expecting more? Performance and result entirely consistent with the home form across the season.
Dave Williams
111 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:16:03
That was the biggest piece of unadulterated crap I have seen probably since the Tommy Casey team of around 1972. The players were awful, no teamwork, forever passing square or backwards. Is this Ancelotti telling them to do this or are they playing that way against the manager's orders?

All season, we have had an unsettled team selection which cannot help the players. We have a very unbalanced squad with no wingers, yet we have sold Vlasic, loaned out Bolasie, Walcott and Gordon, leaving us with no real threat from wide positions.

James has not worked for me – no effort, too slow and certainly not a world class talent now. He cannot be accommodated in a team like ours as his moments of magic are outweighed by the fact that it is like playing with 10 men.

Carlo can moan all he likes about some of the players he inherited – little effort, no bite or aggression, no will to win – but he has persisted in playing them. Are we the only team in the Premier League with no youngsters who can be thrown on for half-an-hour to add some enthusiasm? Why bench the most forward passing and most aggressive midfielder we have in Tom Davies?

People say he must be given another transfer window but what will he do? He cannot buy players at the end of their careers – we need athletes with pace and aggression who are desperate to win every game, not guys around 30 who can't sprint.

This is serious stuff and we may just have a guy in charge to whom we are contracted to pay a fortune over the next couple of years – when does his contract run out?

I do blame the players to a large degree but team selection, substitutes and tactics are down to the manager and he has been very poor.

Two consolations: we didn't have to spend time and money travelling to Goodison to see this shit, and we took 4 points from Liverpool.

Truly dreadful!!!

Roger Helm
112 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:16:08
My wife calls TW my victim support group. My son thinks Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means no satisfaction, no optimism.
Jim Bennings
114 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:17:29
6 teams in the league that have scored fewer goals than us despite the money we've pissed away on players and lavish managers. (Ancelotti another one going one way.)

Fuckin absolutely embarrassing!!!!

Ray Robinson
115 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:17:44
I will dust myself down and start again next season - hopefully after the team has been re-engineered with a set of players that can manage more creativity, pace and energy than this set of tortoises can muster.
Paul Setter
116 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:17:57
I think Carlo should be under pressure: we've lost 9 games at home. Sheffield United, Fulham, Newcastle, Burnley, Villa and Leeds all helped themselves to easy points... look at that list! Appalling.. Add in West Ham, Man Ud and Man City and it's absolutely shambolic.

Never lost 9 at home ever. Even the 2 seasons where they had to win the last game of the season just to stay in the league wasn't this pathetic.

Mike Doyle
117 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:18:16
A good day for Satan today. The RS grab a last seconds winner with a header from their goalkeeper ( first time a RS keeper has scored for them apparently) which we all know means they’ll be in next season’s CL.
Meanwhile we make the worst club in the PL look like world beaters and end any lingering European hopes we may have had.
I expect we’ll learn tomorrow that the club’s second longest serving player - Mo Besic - has been given another contract extension.
Kieran Kinsella
118 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:19:48
Connor

The fact you think King is worth keeping above the rest of the squad says it all. A ghost, with no meaningful physical involvement in our season appears relatively better than the people playing. Sad state of affairs but I can see how you got to this point.

Kevin Molloy
119 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:20:03
The elephant in the room is that this performance didn't come out of the blue, it is a blueprint we have perfected over six hard months.

We are lifeless. That is absolutely not the players' fault. They are clearly not being coached properly.

The question that I have now is, 'Does Carlo have the hunger to correct this dreadful dip? I'm yet to be convinced.

I think if Real Madrid came for him now and offered him a 3-year contract, he would go. Under normal circumstances, Everton would want his contract paid up. But this ain't normal. I'd let him go for free and start again.

Dave Evans
121 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:20:30
We have better players than Sheffield United. They lack fitness, aggression, motivation, confidence and forward thinking. They don't seem to know what to do to attack.

I fear that Ancelotti will respond by trying to tighten us up even further.

Roll on when we can be back in the stadium and roar to get them forward and slag them off when they cop out and pass it back or pass the buck.

Pat Kelly
122 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:20:45
We've been signing over-priced has-beens for too long. Ancelotti was the last straw. It's a long long way back from this.
Kieran Kinsella
123 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:20:51
Mike 117

Lol – that and plans for his testimonial will be announced to distract us.

Colin Glassar
124 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:21:17
Decades of mismanagement have finally caught up with us. No planning for the future. No direction. No standards. No ambition.

We are a club built for Premier League survival – nothing more.

Barry Thompson
125 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:21:44
It's a grand old team to play for...
Si Cooper
126 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:22:52
Michael (110), come on. That performance was so much worse than the next worse one this season even with our woeful home form.

I'm not just surprised and bitterly disappointed, I am shocked by that performance.

Mark Murphy
128 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:24:42
I hate Everton.
And my wife's got the Painters in.
And I'm pissed anyway so no chance.
Thanks, Everton, for another shit weekend.
Tony Twist
129 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:25:30
Carlo shouldn't select the players to buy, he has had his opportunity, it is time for him and his team to do their jobs and prepare the team for football matches. Then we know where we stand.

If Carlo is that magnifico then just doing that one thing should be child's play. No doubt I am wrong but I don't think he is up to it.

Mike Doyle
130 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:25:40
Rob Halligan (if you are reading) - have you got the cushions ready for the Wolves game?
Mike Price
131 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:28:11
It’s laughable to think Europe would be good for us! We’ve been incredibly lucky this year to not be in the bottom six.

The manager was a bad fit. The club is a nightmare and love is turning to hate; it feels like I want a divorce.

John Atkins
132 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:30:11
I really want to walk away from this club once and for all, they continue to hurt me, embarrass me and let me down time and time again. We have a losing mentality with survival being the main objective.

The club hierarchy seem more focused on receiving accolades for EitC work and take more pride in this. The People's Club – my arse! Rotten to the core from top to bottom. I've had it with you.

Joe McMahon
133 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:30:50
I gave up mid way through second half, knowing we would not score. It's that predictable, just logged on here 5 mins ago. Where the hell is this club going?

The rot has been infesting for years. How the hell was Koeman/Walsh given the go ahead for landing us with so much expensive overpaid wastage that now one else would even look at. 45 million for Sigurdson is beyound words, bring Rooney back on 160k per week, it is not how any professional business should operate.

I'm sick to the teeth of years of nothing but false hope, every season. I'm sure like many blues tonight (particularly after the RS doing it late again just before we kick off) the tank is empty, every drop is gone. I shall not pay another penny to watch Everton again, until we have a team with fight and worthy of the shirt.

Please no comments of "call yourself an Evertonian" etc, we all have our reasons and our lives, but we are all Blues and no one ever could accuse us of being Gloryhunters, we are propper fans, and we deserve a team to be proud of, we just haven't had one for a very long time.

Anthony Murphy
134 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:31:42
Can Carlo be arsed? That’s the question that needs answering
Ben King
135 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:32:04
Absolute joke.

Totally pathetic

Michael Connelly
136 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:32:05
Think its a mentality issue. Players likely feel too comfortable and relaxed at home without any fans in the stadium and are not applying themselves correctly. Away from home, in unfamiliar surroundings, the minds are more concentrated, which is reflected in the results.
Barry Rathbone
137 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:33:53
A damning thing about Carlo's reign is not just the dreadful football and mediocre recruitment (please don't tell me Allan and Doucouré are good players) but the lack of any obvious team spirit.

Around the 13th minute a pass to Richarlison was intercepted resulting in Digne getting injured and the ground level camera inadvertently showed Richarlison in full on couldn't give a shit mode. The overrated lump was still trotting from his original run with his back to play completely disengaged from the game.

If you've played the sport you can spot this shit a mile away sideways and backwards passing without purpose is fraudulent football it is nothing more than going through the motions. It may look like we have no pace but that is not true we have no urgency and it is because we are not a team.

All on Carlo that

Barry Williams
138 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:34:16
Well, when you bring on Gomes and Bernard to chase a game at home, and realise that collectively they have scored the same amount of goals as the unmentionable's keeper, you have an idea that things ain't going as planned for the team!

That was beyond words!

Nick Page
139 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:34:45
Kevin, the elephant in the room is called Bill and he starts trumpeting every time he sees his face on the big telly.
Dave Abrahams
140 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:35:02
Jay (63), Jay, you were right to laugh at that performance, it will help to keep you sane.

We supporters deserve much more than this guileless effort, every move was orthodox and done badly, not one player tried anything adventuress, only Pickford showed any passion, same as Ferguson on the bench trying to get Carlo to listen to him, to no avail.

Some people on here have been asking Darren Hind to show up and say something, I Carlo has spoken for him, eloquently, during the last two games, no need for Darren to say a word, but I doubt very much that he will gloat about the failures, he will be as sick as most of us.

Derek Moore
141 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:35:09
McGoldrick absolutely bossed it for them. They pulled us apart as wide as they could and then ran endlessly into the channels and space behind to recycle the ball. Doms miss represented the best opportunitywe would have in the whole game to get on terms.
I'm not really sure what happened, I'm speculating but the body language of the players was very very poor. A bust up? A manager hairdryer type session that went badly? What is not speculation is that performance was an absolute turd. Terrible. Wouldn't be surprised to hear a lot more through the press in the coming days, this is obviously not a happy or united group

I said it elsewhere - I love Everton, but it sure doesn't feel she loves me back.

Kevin Dyer
142 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:36:48
#54 Kevin, can't disagree with any of your analysis, really.

If we're playing a back 3 because Seamus can then get on the field, well that's not enough of a reason, because we can't attack that way.

Everything tonight channeled through the middle, easy to defend.

The subs? Sigurdsson as kind-of a left midfielder. Just no. One good pass to put Richy in but little else. Just congested in the middle with James, DCL etc coming deep, no one offering movement up top. Bernard who we are actively trying to sell on. Gomes, who we should be selling, on. Davies, impressive against WHU, unused. I don't care what Nkounkou looks like in training, in the games he's played (not Newcastle, but everyone stunk in that) he's offered pace, high tempo direct play, a decent touch and impressive crossing. One of those matches was against a WHU cup team which was probably better than Sheff Utd. Put the lad on and see what he can offer, over repeat failures or those with no future at the club.

The players are the ones failing but Ancelotti has to set them up to give them the best chance to succeed and tonight, that did not happen.

Big problems in the relationships on the field. DCL and Richy as a front two stink the gaff out, zero interplay. Agree also, Kevin that Digne is twice as effective with a midfield partner.

Just awful and as shit as we've been at home this season even I didn't expect that horror show. Blimey, remember when Pickford was a problem? Without him tonight we'd have been hammered.

Big clearout in the summer, and not just the obvious, but guys like Gomes etc who are offering very little.

Will Mabon
143 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:37:14
Michael, now you have nowhere to go with your headline for the Wolves game.

Good report though.

Pat Kelly
144 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:38:43
Moshiri needs to act now and clear out the Board including the Chairman and Chief Executive. Much of his investment in the Club has been wasted under their watch. He may not know much about football but he's supposed to be a businessman. This ongoing disaster isn't going to sort itself out. The buck now stops with the owner.
Julian Wait
145 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:39:38
Will #143

"Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse - you realized there's still two more games to go!"

How's that?

Barry Hesketh
146 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:42:12
Having written earlier today that we shouldn't be contemplating defeat against the bottom club in the league, I haven't got an adjective that is adequate enough to express my feelings towards this defeat.

Not only beaten by a Sheffield United team that has done poorly on the road, but Everton was shown up to be an extremely poor outfit, who appeared badly coached, badly motivated, and unable to carry out the basics that are necessary at any level of the game, never mind the top level in England.

If Everton was a racehorse, there would be a stewards inquiry every time it competed. How is it remotely possible to play worse and worse each time they take to the field at Goodison? I begin to wonder if someone is making a small fortune betting on Everton to lose at home and win away.

I've seen many poorly equipped Everton teams in my time, but I don't think many of us have seen such a lack of bite, fire, or fight that this squad displays on such a regular basis.

Who is responsible for this state of affairs? If it's not Ancelotti's fault, then it must be Brands fault if it's not Brands it must be the players, if it isn't the players, then I give up. I don't think anybody on the planet can explain Everton's poor displays at Goodison this calendar year, and the actual results have been kinder to us than the displays have merited.

Although if the players realise that their own manager doesn't rate them, it must be hard for them to perform to the best of their abilities, or perhaps this is the best that they can do? If that is so we might be looking at some very anxious times next season and beyond.


Tony Everan
147 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:42:17
Dear Sir,

This was Everton going full tilt for a place in Europe, taking the game to the humiliated and adrift Sheffield Utd.

Conclusion : We cannot ‘take’ the game to anybody. We are just not good enough to.

Tinkering with the squad won’t do.

Major surgery is needed. Four or five first team starters need to be signed.

Four or five need to be moved on.

The line in the sand has been breached.

We are a meant to be a football team - we are not playing football, and we are not a team.

Yours, Totally Pissed Off Everton Supporter Who Expects Better.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

148 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:45:42
Dave @ 140.

'Jay, you were right to laugh at that performance, it will help to keep you sane.'

Not so sure about that Dave. My laughter definitely had a manic ring to it!

Colin Glassar
149 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:45:49
Pat 144, he should’ve kicked out old mother Hubbard from day one. The man is the epitome of football mediocrity and it permeates throughout the club!
John Raftery
150 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:46:50
So Iwobi and Davies were not to blame for all our problems. Only the relegated teams have lost more home games. It will be interesting to see if the presence of fans will make a difference on Wednesday but tonight the team looked drained of energy and belief.

Too much of our play when in possession is predictable to the point of embarrassment. This season we might have been better at home to have conceded possession to the opposition, pull everybody back behind the ball and play on the counter-attack. We beat Chelsea and Arsenal playing that way in December. Using those tactics might have brought us at least half a dozen extra points, enough to have kept us in the top six.

Ultimately though we badly need to find players who will offer different attributes to those we have. We have a bunch who all want the ball at their feet, want time to turn and play a pass. Few of them offer a goal threat, even fewer have the pace to stretch opposition defenders.

Mike Doyle
151 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:47:42
Pat #144] Moshiri is a businessman man. His 5 year plan is based around keeping us the PL until the new stadium arrives - which will/should/might increase the value of his investment. Can’t see him making managerial changes unless we are at immediate risk of relegation.
Stephen Brown
152 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:50:38
My Bristol City supporting mate just text me saying. fuck me it must be hard to support Everton!!

He’s correct !!

Kieran Kinsella
153 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:52:02
Hopefully our new signings, Buffon and Ollie McBurnie are in place by the time we start pre-season against The Dog and the Duck Ladies B team.
Tim Smith
154 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:53:22
Maybe Sir Alex got it right. scare the crap out of them.
Gary Willock
155 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:54:12
The great start to the season was an utter false dawn, and a platform that’s hidden just how bad we actually still are.

We’ve learned to defend and counter the top teams, but at the expense of losing the ability to beat *anyone* who sits back against us. We look crap with the ball, and appear arrogant, lethargic and unimaginative all round.

I’d love to think it’s all part of a transition, but that was 4/11 ths Carlos team today. He’s also now had a full season to improve the others. Whilst I would love to keep believing his track record is the most valid point, there are a huge number of concerns. Some of the primary ones include.

1. Left CB and RB where clearly a concern in the summer, why did we fail so spectacularly here?
2. How much is this project the “Carlo and Son” show, and what impact is that having?
3. Why do players who come in and do well (Davies) get immediately dropped for favourites who don’t offer any obvious improvements?
4. Will he force recruitment in the summer to be old hands like Allan, and not the next generations like Bellingham or Tielemans?
5. What is his preferred system, and why is he always changing it?

Huge summer ahead. If we let him throw £100m at 30 somethings he’s enjoyed gabbing with in a past life, we could be left in a state that’ll make Koeman and Walsh feel nostalgic.

Not sure it’s quite at the stage of calling for his head yet, but only so long the past can be a life vest. If the last 6 months had been Sam, Ron, Bobby or Marco we would ALL be saying “enough” right now.

Sorry to say it, but maybe time to stop splashing big dough. Tell him he’s got ONE big signing, and the rest need to be “Nkounkou” type players for Nkounkou type money. Get a tune out of what you have next year (top 6) or it’s time to try again with the manager merry-go-round again.

Ernie Baywood
156 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:54:14
You would never have guessed which of those two teams actually had something to play for.

So poor but it's not even a surprise anymore. Finally at 'full strength' and we got deservedly beaten by the worst team in the league.

Special mention for Richarlison who I thought was absolutely dreadful.

Phillip Warrington
157 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:55:45
We blew it again! This club just has a failure cult about it. Every time we get a sniff at making top 6 or a cup final, we blow it.

You would have thought every player who put an Everton shirt on today knew they had to give 110% to give themselves a chance of playing European football... but no. In typical Everton fashion, they played like they couldn't give a shit about Everton FC.

The better players will just move on to another club and the rest are getting paid such high wages, they're accumulating a nice retirement fund. So that's where the problem is.

All the managers so far play the so-called experienced players who have all had their day and are just counting out the days until they retire injury-free, instead of playing some of the youngsters who have a bit of hunger about them and would give the so-called experienced players a kick up the arse. As sure as hell, they couldn't do any worse.

Remember when Roberto Martinez was sacked and we did that "Everton, we're a completely different team"? Then the new manager came in and went back to the so-called experienced players. And we have been shite ever since.

Pat Kelly
158 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:57:10
Mike #151, it could be four years before the new stadium is built. Unless radical changes are made on and off the field staying in the PL will be a very tall order. A new stadium alone will not necessarily increase Moshiri's investment. It will still have to be paid for. A new Board, Chairman and CEO are needed to oversee a new era. Otherwise the drift will continue.
Dave Williams
159 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:58:22
Mark #128 great post- actually made us all laugh here even after that crap!!
Frank Sheppard
160 Posted 16/05/2021 at 21:58:23
Our form has been so poor for so long, I expected us to lose tonight and didn’t watch. Something is very wrong at our club. I have serious doubts about Carlo now, he seems incapable of motivating, and the team is not playing for him.
Kieran Kinsella
161 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:01:20
Sad thing is that Coleman and Godfrey apart the pain isn’t shared by the players. Rich will be more focused on getting selfies with Neymar in Tokyo, Tom and Dom will be playing Zoolander at fashion shows, Sig eyeing up his contract extension, James just said he’s already got his mind on retiring. Only Keane will feel pain when he gets his Dear John letter from Southgate but that’s nowt to do with Everton
Ian Riley
162 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:01:56
We should have got David Moyes back. I'd rather see hard working one nil win performances than this shite. Even sams time here weren't this bad. Our players don't fit Carlo's methods whatever they are??

I like Carlo but we must set him free!!

Si Cooper
163 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:08:06
Don’t agree the last two games are now meaningless. They are now hugely important. Not for points or glory obviously, just for seeing if the players have anything about them.
Again I’m not seeing the same things as some. I didn’t see lack of belief or brow-beaten players. I didn’t see Ferguson fuming at Ancelotti. I just saw loads and loads of lack of nous and ridiculous decision making. Players slipping as if they’ve chosen the wrong boots, nearly every player unable to judge the pace of the pitch, shanking of the ball as if they’ve never played with a wet ball before.
The manager doesn’t get a free pass (his persistence with Richarlison and DCL as dual strikers is nonsense; why has he not gone back to playing Richarlison on the left flank in front of Digne which seems to get so much more out of both / all 3 of them. Doucoure is nowhere near ready to contribute what we need from him.
But, in the end, it comes down to the fact that all those players have performed so much better than they did tonight. There has to be a reaction and so much more in the next two games or I think this group of players will be permanently scarred and no use to us going forwards. That is in the hands of the players irrespective of how they are coached / managed.
Neil Lawson
164 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:09:33
Wouldn't we all like to know just what Carlo is truly thinking? As much as he may state his love for Crosby beach, I suspect that he wishes he had never seen Gormley's men.
Or maybe watching them is where he got his inspiration as to how his team should play.
Thomas Richards
165 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:13:47
Si, 163

Best post of the day

Paul Hewitt
166 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:14:16
Carlo is getting on now in years. He's won everything there is to win in football. Is the desire and drive still in him. I have my doubts.
Tony Twist
167 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:17:41
Get the new recruits in early (young, powerful, ambitious and have desire and pride that introduces heart to this team of wimps) using the pull of Carlo then hope Real Madrid come knocking with a big bundle of cash.
Colin Glassar
168 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:27:04
Paul, I think Carlo has more drive and determination in his left testicular than the majority of his players do in their entire pathetic bodies.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I bet he privately hates a lot of his players. It must be incredibly frustrating for him to see his players unable to do the basics eg pass to each other, find space, create chances, tackle - yes, tackle!!

He’s had the likes of Maldini, Schevchenko, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Ibrahamovic etc under his command now he’s got an ageing Coleman, supertanker slow Keane, perma-injured Delph, the sulk aka Richarlison, spinning top Davies, stretch Sigurdsson and Iwobi, fucking Iwobi ffs!!! This would drive anyone straight to the looney bin.

Rob Dolby
169 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:29:03
What a shower of shitbags.

Not entirely unexpected. Sheff U will not be coming back to the prem anytime soon but won nearly every battle and 2nd ball all over the pitch. Anyone watching that would struggle to pick the relegated side.

Hopeless performance just underlines how poor the players are. As much as Ancelotti should shoulder responsibility he can't take the blame for players not being able to compete for the ball or even pass the ball to another blue shirt.

McGoldrick who is 33 at one point dribbled past all 4 of Allan, Gomes, Sigurdsson and Bernard highlighting our chronic lack of pace.

For their goal Doucouré, Allan and Godfrey should have done better.

I can't see us getting another point this season.

So frustrated.


Gavin Johnson
170 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:29:25
As Everton supporters we should know by now that we always muck things up when we take a fixture for granted and expect a result, but we do it time and time again.

I hope not making Europe doesn't effect our spending plans. We got positive messages that we'll spend big earlier in the week. We need 4 first team players and a GK. We need buy the likes of Aarons, Diaby, Rabiot and Toney. Whether we can pursued the 4 to come is another matter.

Trevor Peers
171 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:29:38
No surprise about the result tonight, Carlo picked his usual favoured defensive set up at home and we got stuffed. I can't see any chance of us improving at home next season because that's his system and any player he signs will have to play to his defensive instructions.

Ancelotti should be sacked, just like Mourinho at Spurs, his ideas are now sadly outdated. But I fear it will take a string of bad results next season before the penny finally drops and the hapless Moshiri is forced to act. Usually around Xmas, just like he did with Koeman and Silva when the spectre of relegation rears its ugly head.

Moshiri is hopeless at picking managers and should bring in team of knowledgeable football gurus at board level to advise him as he obviously hasn't got a clue how to find success.
If he alone is allowed to pick another manager, without help, it could spell the end for us in the premiership.

Andrew Clare
172 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:29:59
As far as I am concerned Carlo has run out of time. There is absolutely no sign of improvement in our play. We are awful to watch. There is pattern to our play we have no idea, no motivation and no movement off the ball. I hope Real Madrid make Carlo an offer he can't refuse and we can start again with a new manager. After a string of home performances like the ones we have witnessed a club with any ambition would say enough is enough and pull the plug.
Normally I would give a manager more time but we are dire. A change is needed.
Lev Vellene
173 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:30:56
I need a Crystal Ball and a Pointy Hat! This was just what I predicted after our last (good) game. I should be burned at the stake for predicting that our useless over-earners are also pathetic under-achievers, when it really counts!
Dave Lynch
174 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:32:13
The steam has stopped coming out of my ears and my Tourette's has subsided.

WTF was that... I am honestly lost for words and can't add anymore to what's been written.

I'd like to say a big thanks to the 11, plus subs for the past 90+ minutes of turgid, unadulterated fucking shite I've just had to endure.

Wankers!!!!

Will Mabon
175 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:33:40
Julian @ 145 - that might work...
David Peate
176 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:33:41
So, you think that today's display was rubbish. I would remind you of the final match of the 1950/1951 season when Everton were relegated. This was by far the worst Everton display that I can recall as Sheffield Wednesday wiped the floor with the Toffees by six goals to nil. The team was dreadful.
Paul Jones
177 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:39:41
Maybe Ancellotti has learnt from Koeman . Might want to be sacked and be Italy's manager whist Everton pay his salary before moving onto Real Madrid.
If by the next game is unshaven and looking like his wife has just left then had the same plan.
Also with the heavy rain, slippery surface and holiday season due then it was no surprise in an empty ground what this group of players would serve up. I expect there will be an improvement in the remaining fixtures but this will driven more by self promotion.
Paul Swan
178 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:40:09
So utterly depressing to have anything to do with this club for far too long now. Too many poor appointments time after time. We needed a manager with vision, with a plan, someone who could coach the limited players on the books to at least do the job they are paid well to do. Instead we have a situation where not one player plays to anywhere approaching a consistent standard. Piss poor basic skills and decisions every week. Mason Holgate epitomises everything bad about this situation- he should be nowhere near this team after his abject performances but the manager picks him. I do place the blame firmly at the Ancelotti’s door and I pray he moves on or is moved on because he is not the answer and I just feel him and his coaching staff are clueless about what to do. I have been a season ticket holder for many years but I can’t see this continuing unless there is a fundamental change in attitude through the club.
Kieran Kinsella
179 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:41:40
Everton inspired me to a steam let off listening to rave music at the gym. Burned 1,000 calories in PB time. Thank you Mason and Richie
Kieran Kinsella
180 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:45:19
Gavin

Carlo said after the game our spending will be different based on whether we are in Europe. That contradicts what he said a month ago. Maybe he assumed we’d make it or maybe Mosh isn’t happy

Danny Broderick
181 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:48:03
I am amazed we didn’t get wingers on and make the pitch as big as possible. At any level of football, if you are better than the opposition, make it a big pitch. We played right into their hands by starting with 5-3-2, a formation that has never worked for Everton. Once we fell behind, our subs said a lot - Sigurdsson, Gomes and Bernard!! These players weren’t good enough before Carlo started. It’s very worrying that we are still bringing them off the bench 18 months later to supposedly be our saviours. We needed goals, so I’m baffled why we brought on Gomes and Bernard. I’d have brought Nkounkou on on the left wing, Iwobi on the right and tried to have a go at them.

I’ve just looked at our bench, and I have to say it was a crap bench. We had 2 keepers on the bench again and no striker! Why have Ellis Sims out on loan if we have no strikers at all in reserve! Why did we allow Bolasie, Gordon and Walcott to leave if we have nothing behind them? I assume to get the wage bill down, but don’t cut your nose off to spite your face. Keep one of them at least!

The whole club is rotten to the core. We have managers and players whose contribution is hit and miss. The recruitment is shoddy. Our team was all over the place tonight, with a crap bench, so much so that we ended up bringing the 3 subs on I’ve already mentioned. There doesn’t appear to be any joined up thinking which is very worrying.

We were awful tonight. Carlo mentioned the word embarrassed. All of the playing squad, management and recruitment teams should be embarrassed and ashamed looking at that tonight.

Darryl Ritchie
182 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:48:41
In no way, shape or form should we be in Europe next season. It would be a complete embarrassment. Any, and I do mean any, club in Europe that is good enough to qualify for any competition, would slaughter us.
Dale Self
183 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:49:38
Disgusted. Certainly time to pressure for an explanation. An explicit explanation or a very harsh statement on the responsible parties. I do not care about the club’s reputation overall when it goes this wrong this many times after what seems a turnaround

At the mic, in the papers, don’t care but let’s have an ungentlemanly discussion about the situation. Just to emphasize, I’d rather see the club take a hit on transfer values than implicitly signal that we will tolerate this. Seriously, use the club’s influence to kill the rot whatever the short run costs.

Bill Gall
184 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:50:09
My we are back again about D Moyes didn't Everton just beat his team on their own ground and they just got a last minute goal to get a tie from Brighton. And now once again its the Chairman's and C.E.O. fault and neither of them sign the players, train them, pick the team or provide a tactical blueprint for the game. the major problem is the manager and his coaching staff but most of all it is the players who put on the shirt and step over the line.
I am not a B.K. fan and he has made a lot of mistakes. but nobody becomes a billionaire by trusting other people to use his money wastefully. Moshiri has been involved in the premier league with both Arsenal and Everton, and I am sure he has lots of contacts in the football world that he can use.
Apart from the disgraceful showing on the pitch the rest of the club is now being run more efficiently than it has for years.
This is the first manager out of the last 3 that we thought was the correct call and whether he proves he is, it is up to him.
It will be ridiculous to change to another manager who at the end of next season we will be saying, lets give him another chance he is still struggling with the deadwood from previous managers.
We have to get stability on the playing side of things and chopping and changing managers is a poor way to go about it.
None of the excepted top 6 when they changed managers became instant success it took a few seasons. But what they mostly had and what Everton do not have, was a decent Squad and youth system.
David Pearl
185 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:53:34
All season long he's continued to play with no real width, no shape. We have Richarlison and Bernard both good enough to play with Digne and give him an option to overlap. Digne has been shite this season having nobody to interact with.

He says we are not a possession team then still tries to play like one through the middle, even though he has James wondering wherever to get on the ball and Siggy on the left instead of the middle were he can make a difference

We gave away Kean and Walcott, and though not the greatest they were capable of provding some of the width we lack. I believe Bernard, Delph, King and Nkounkou all had more to offer but Carlo continues playing the same way each home game. Some top manager, some millionaire genius.

Doucoure and James were not even fit, and you could tell. Davies and Delph might not be everyones cup of tea but they are better than the opposition. He has played Gomes wrong all season too.

Another manager would get more from these players. However, l believe we are stuck with him. So its over to Brands to bring in some quality and then to hope Carlo can find a way for them to click and stay that way all season. Fat chance.

Can we find new homes for Holgate, Kean and lwobi? Those are the first 3 l would sell. Surely thats close to £80mil? I would give Carlo till xmas.

And honestly l would even have Martinez back to bring at least some style to our play.

He actually made a half time change. Is that rhe first time this season??

Will Mabon
186 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:53:55
David @ 176,

I bet you could tell from the play though, which was the relegated team.

Laurie Hartley
187 Posted 16/05/2021 at 22:55:58
The lot of them should hang their heads in shame.
Ian Edwards
188 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:01:45
Worse home record than Mike Walker. What an indictment. Clear your desk and get out.
Barry Hesketh
189 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:02:52
Carlo's remarks about his transfer plans being different depending on whether the club qualifies for Europe, is possibly the reason why some of the players have failed to turn up so often.

If the team had qualified for Europe, some of the players would be gone and replaced in the summer; by failing to qualify, there is a better chance of those current players remaining in the squad. That in itself stinks to high heaven, and perhaps it's time to tear a few contracts up and ship the shirkers out of the club.

Listening to Carlo's post-match interview, I don't believe he is going to leave of his own accord and I can't see the board sacking him either unless by Christmas we are in the Bottom 5 or 6.

Kunal Desai
190 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:03:55
The two remaing games are meaningless. To see whether the players have got anything about?Yes, it will be the same garbage what you've been witnessing for the majority of this season. Spineless players who don't give a shit, that's what you'll see.

Probably best to do something else more productive in those 3 hours and save yourself more pain.

Colin Glassar
191 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:07:08
Just read Carlo's view on the game. Sounds like big changes are coming.
Mark Wilson
192 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:07:48
Has there ever been a manager given an easier ride than Carlo? Even as I'm typing this in, I feel guilty speaking ill of the great man ... etc etc.

I really like him but he's had a rubbish season, just as bad as the players who yet again have left us down. He's really been little better than any of the others since Moyes.

Yep, we are a few points better off and haven't really flirted with relegation as we have done previously. But we are a terrible team to watch, devoid of flair, always ready to lose winnable games, and frankly there's just not much to look forward to.

Any other manager would be facing the sack by Christmas if no dramatic improvement. But I sense we'd have to be in the Bottom 3 on 25 December to bring that prospect close, and still I don't see it happening.

A season of utter crushing disappointment. Just another in a long line of failures and shamefully bad performances along the way.

See you on Wednesday, the 6,500. Self-inflicted pain is what we do best.

Mark Ryan
193 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:10:15
I'll go straight to the beginning of this thread and point to those asking who else would we play and I'll say this: You drop half of the team and use the reserves, the youngsters.

This shower of uninspired professionals have done nothing for the recent games where we could have secured a Europa League spot with ease. We on here could all see how uninterested they all where weeks and weeks ago.

I would cheer the manager if he dropped half the team and we all know who I mean. Drop them for the remaining fixtures and have done with it.

Alisson across the park has more enthusiasm in his big fat bonce than our entire team put together.

Drop them and tell them to go on holiday early because that's where they are in their own little minds, on a beach earning 20%. Pathetic shower of the proverbial.

If Ancelotti cannot inspire them to "want" European Football, he should take a rest too and leave it to Dunc.

Tom Harvey
194 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:14:11
Pat Kelly @144,

Moshiri chose Silva and Koeman and it wouldn't surprise me if he chose Ancelotti. He's shot himself in the foot by bringing the Directors of Fooball he has with the above managers.

He needs to clear himself out along with the other wingnuts, dingbats and brass washers you mentioned, then give the job (and money to spend) to a proper football CEO to run the club.

Tony Everan
195 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:14:28
There's something not right at the club: Is there a disconnect between the players and the coaching staff? Bad blood? Mutiny of their methods?

The players are not sharp enough, fit enough or tough enough compared to almost all of our competitors. Other teams seem to have a few extra percent on us, energy and fitness wise, every week.

Any team that closes us down rapidly and injects a bit of intensity at Goodison, we crack. Every team in the Premier League knows it, and every team and their two-bob manager now brings it to the table every time and we just flake away as expected.

Why can't we cope with it time after time for months on end? There's got to be a reason why we are continually going under to these tactics.

It's become the norm, unfortunately. Tonight was diabolical, but it was really just more of the same and eminently predictable.

James Flynn
196 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:24:00
We don't change to another manager. We know we're toothless and legless in the middle of the pitch. Every club we play knows it.

Sean Dyche manages Burnley one way for 7-8 seasons. But here comes Everton on the schedule some weeks back and he sends his boys out, from the off, the way Bielsa sends out his. Sean Dyche!

Run, Everton can't keep up.

As it stands, we've given up 41-42 goals. Not to shabby. We won't score 45 goals this season, though. It isn't Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin; it's our near-invisible midfield.

John Keating
197 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:26:30
This team is undoubtably shite and a disgrace to the shirt. However, asking why we let Bolasie, Walcott and Simms go out is really stretching it.

We have nobody at the club to change things from the bench; certainly the above would have made it worse. We've tried them all, including Nkounkou and Kean, and not one of them stepped up.

Getting rid of this bunch of wasters is going to take a couple more seasons as there are too many to bin in one.

Derek Thomas
198 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:28:55
Don't know about you lot but...
"I'm so glad,
I'm so glad,
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad.
I'm so glad,
I'm so glad,
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad"...(Cream)

I really am glad, really!

Glad I didn't get up at 4am to watch that.
Glad I limited myself to the 15-minute 'highlights' package.
I'm glad for the 17-year-old Jebbison, who scored a neat goal from a well worked move, a goal he'll remember all his life... not many of us will forget it in a hurry either.

I'm even glad Allison headed a 95-minute winner – it shows what having a go for the whole game is all about. (And why not? it doesn't affect us, except to put another 'tick' in the 'Everton That' column.)

I'm also glad now that Michael spiked (Well I can't find it) my contribution in the Premier League Week 36 & Cup Final thread... maybe... who knows, for being so fulsome in my praise of Leicester's Cup and League wins. Damning of the fact we've been shite since 1995. I'd be glad if he could send it me back so I can re-write it in even harsher terms.

I'm not sure if I'm glad about reports from Madrid... but then again – I'm not sure I'm not.

"I'll buy you one more Frozen Orange Juice
On this fantastic day
We'll walk the sunny hills of Madrid
Laughing all the way"...(Peter Starsted)

Derek Cowell
199 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:29:52
Can there be anyone on here that didn't just know we would lose today! I know we didn't like to admit it beforehand but really we just knew didn't we!
Mike Price
200 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:39:48
Paul #177,

From inside the club, I think you are correct. Does anybody really think the manager is living in Crosby for anything but £9 million a year? He's a joke and a relic... but he is likeable, for fuck's sake!

Nearly every team in the Premier League has more value than ours; I'd rather have Newcastle's or Palace's squad than ours; at least there's a bit of quality to build around.

Did anybody see Leeds play with power, speed and purpose yesterday? I can't remember the last time we saw our team do that and that's a total disgrace. How we've got more points than them and a few others, shows how bad the Premier League is and how incredibly lucky we have been this season!

Derek Thomas
201 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:39:48
Deep down, Degs, yes we hoped... but mostly we did.

Let's be honest: it wasn't the world's biggest shock ever.

Gavin Johnson
202 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:42:01
Top 4 away form. Bottom-half home form. We've had our best results against the so-called Top 6 teams in the Premier League era, but this season has to be seen as a failure given we've been in the mix for Europe all season and now we're likely to finish 8th or 9th.

Having worse home form than Mike Walker and then having the best away form since Howard Kendall won the title is showing that Carlo doesn't appear to know how to set up at home against lesser sides when we've beaten the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal. Were the fans a factor in those 2 games?! Or did we win those games because those teams let us play like we do away?! I guess we'll find out about the fan factor against Wolves.

I don't ascribe to sacking the manager, bringing someone else in, and starting from scratch again. We've had our best player recruitment in the Moshiri era since Carlo's been at the club. The likes of Iwobi, Delph, Gomes, Bernard etc aren't in the class of James, Allan, Doucouré and Godfrey.

I'm still positive under Carlo if we can have an intake of 4 players in the same quality as last summer. I haven't been able to find the post match interview where Carlo says funds will be affected by not making Europe but that is slightly concerning.

Allan Board
204 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:46:39
The majority of these player's are NOT good enough.

Good players have the balls to go with it. Poor players go missing; it's not really their fault, they just don't have the balls they were born with. They're okay for mediocre teams who just want to stay in the big league, but will never be adequate for trophy-winning teams.

Also, good players accept criticism because they always want to improve and realise when coaches require a reaction on the pitch. Poor players are unable – in fact, incapable of understanding this.

Football is not only played with the feet, but in the mind also.

I am a big admirer of Ancelloti but, if you are waiting and hoping for him to start screaming abuse at players in dressing rooms, you will have a long wait – it's just not his style. He is very obviously furious and bemused at the inconsistency and desire amongst this group.

He has called the team out, in an understated way, and I feel the group, because of its fragile nature of player, are unable to raise their consistency.

The owner has a huge decision to make: stick with Ancelloti, but give him money to buy decent players and lose big money on the current dross? Or sack him. The only drawback to that is that the dross will remain, the new man will take 2 years to settle in, and the cycle of mediocrity at Everton continues...

I don't doubt this fella can be successful at Everton, just not with the rubbish at his disposal that only Everton seem to buy. It's going to take money, and lot's of it.

Tom Harvey
205 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:46:58
Rob Dolby @ 169

Take a bow mate! Love it!

That first line placed underneath the title of this piece is all that's needed to sum things up, no essays or replies.

Well done!

Barry Hesketh
206 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:48:25
Gavin @202,

This is what Carlo said in relation to transfer strategy:

“For next season, we are going to change. We have to analyse the season. Certain aspects are really good – away we did fantastic results, at home really bad. Double face.

“To be ready for Europe, you have to be in Europe. We have to try to win the two games and see if we are in Europe or not. If we are, we will build a squad to be in Europe. If we're not, we'll build a squad to be better in the Premier League.”

I suppose that means he'll have less to spend than he thought... or maybe Uefa's FFP not being a factor could increase his spending power? It's likely to be the former though.

Jason Li
207 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:52:55
Yes, that was painful.

Last season, Richarlison was a top player, like Lingard at West Ham or Eze at Crystal Palace, dancing past midfielders and defenders. This season, at times he's going into Danny Wellbeck or Benteke terriory. Hard to explain why unless the foul and injury to himself against Thiago has lost him a yard of pace as he can't get away from anyone anymore when he goes past people.

Maybe we have to do a Leicester this summer and accept a bid and buy the next version? Pity as overall he has been great for us in some games this season, like Anfield and the FA Cup game against Spurs. But this season, he has just performed like a match winner in only a few games for some reason.

We've known for weeks we need pace with the ball, especially at home. And every loss makes the importance of the recruitment team getting it right to give the manager in the seat fantastic players even greater. Or the manager won't have the tools to beat good defensive set-ups like what we just saw. It's the most critical part of the football calendar as it decides how well we do in the season, and we can't go into the summer without a list of quality.


Kenny Smith
208 Posted 16/05/2021 at 23:57:29
We need a win to keep up with the kopites and qualify for Europe. Their goalie scores a header in the last minute.

A 17-year-old debutant outwits £55 million worth of talent to score against us.

Life and times of an Evertonian. Fuckin' shite. See you all next season.

Mick Conalty
209 Posted 16/05/2021 at 00:04:15
Have just heard that the last time Everton lost 9 homes games, was in 1950-51. Everton were relegated and the entire team were sacked.

Let's see if the board have got the balls to take needed drastic action. I bet that team played better football than the shite dished up by Ancelotti.

Kieran Kinsella
210 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:06:40
Ian Edwards,

Mike Walker was only sacked as they knew he'd win the derby and become “bomb proof”.

He said so himself, so it must be true.

Keith Monaghan
211 Posted 16/05/2021 at 00:07:37
Tony @195 – so much truth in your comments, particularly re our being consistently destroyed by opponents who show lots of energy and pace.

Also, how little time our players have on the ball compared to what we allow the opposition; part and parcel of what you say.

I think another problem is our woeful record of developing our own youth players – hardly any good enough to play in the Premier League (please don't talk about the bench-warming sicknote, Barkley). What have Unsworth, Ebbrell, Jeffers (good news is that he's just left) & Co been doing? Living off memories and talking about the past, like our Chairman. Bringing back Rooney (thanks, Bill Kenwright!) was crazy and marked us as a backwards-looking and selling club, especially when we flogged off Lukaku cheaply to Man Utd in order to get him.

Carlo has to take some responsibility, but he didn't sign some of the very poor players we have, eg, Delph (who was always injured at Man City), Iwobi (an Arsenal cast-off), Gomes, Bernard, Holgate (although he did look good in the second part of last season), Keane, Besic, Bolasie, Tosun – to name a few. Seamus has been a great servant but is now a liability as a player – he should have been replaced as a starter 3 seasons ago!

Bill Kenwright should be got rid of – we need people who concentrate on the future, not live in the past. And top coaches etc who are very good at their jobs – if they're ex-Everton, that's great, but not a pre-requisite.

The best young players at the club, apart from Tom Davies maybe Anthony Gordon, are ones signed from elsewhere, like Calvert-Lewin, Godfrey, Richarlison, Pickford, possibly Branthwaite and Virginia. We have some other decent players, like Digne, James, Sigurdsson, Allan & Doucouré to be in the 1st team squad.

Hopefully, Carlo will stay and with Brands he will be able to add more this summer, but it won't be an overnight fix, as they've both said before. The qualities we need injecting are pace, energy, physical and mental strength, and midfield goals.

Gavin Johnson
212 Posted 16/05/2021 at 00:08:57
Cheers, Barry. I guess it's open to interpretation.

I would think we'll still spend a similar amount as last summer, especially with the money we'll bring in from Kean and couple of deadwood players.

I hope Newcastle still want Holgate. I would drive him there if we could get £15M+ for him.

Soren Moyer
213 Posted 16/05/2021 at 00:23:03
Trevor #102. Sorry to hear that my friend. Get well soon.

Also rumours going round about Carlo wanting to bring Isco and Aaron Ramsey to Goodison Park this summer!!! God help us!

Nicholas Ryan
214 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:26:24
Frank [46]:

'Get Graham Potter.'

After that performance, I'd be happy with Beatrix Potter!!

Si Cooper
215 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:38:32
Mick Conalty (209),

According to David Peate (176), you'd lose that bet!

I see the ‘we are not fit enough' claim has been bandied about again. Is there really any evidence of that? Who is fitter than Godfrey or Calvert-Lewin in their positions? Or Seamus for his age?

Do many fullbacks really get more work done in a game than Digne when you take into account he takes pretty much every throw-in on the left and a load of the deadball deliveries as well?

The other objective yardstick should be how do the players do when they turn out for international duty? Is there any evidence that they are shown up in those circumstances? I've never heard anything that would make me think that.

Our mental weakness is a much bigger factor than the fiction ‘we are obviously blowing out our arses after 60 minutes' if you ask me.

Will Mabon
216 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:53:21
Si, surely you don't need any further objective yardsticks than to watch the games? In the majority of games against varied opposition (so, excluding the handful of undeniably good showings this season), we've looked slow, out-run, out-pressed and generally lethargic.

You could go "Stat" with individuals such as Godfrey etc but the truth is, we're an undynamic, low-intensity team that looks less fit than most others.

Brian Wilkinson
217 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:54:27
Give them a damn good thrashing with the birch, gutless, half hearted, bone idle lazy set of bastards.

God help them on Wednesday, when fans are in the ground. There again, it will not matter, some of those have thicker skins than a rhino. It will be water off a duck's back to some of them. No pride, effort, fuck-all attitude.

Don't worry, fellow Blues, I am feeling the hurt, humiliation and sense of let down of every single Evertonian.

Will Mabon
218 Posted 17/05/2021 at 00:57:17
"Give them a damn good thrashing with the birch, gutless, half hearted, bone idle lazy set of bastards."

Brian, are you landed gentry?

Peter Jansson
219 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:04:48
Don't even try to compare Bielsa with Ancelotti. Bielsa has made Leeds good with almost nothing. He threw away half the Leeds team and virtually did not have any reinforcements. Bielsa makes gold out of shit because he does not tolerate that any of the players are not super well-trained and give 100%, EVERY GAME!

For us, it is exactly the opposite. It seems like the players do not train together at all, they look clueless, like they have never played together. Fighting spirit seems to be a forgotten concept among Everton players. Also, the strategy used by Ancelotti is just not understandable. Using setups that are bound to fail etc.

You do not have to be Einstein to understand that playing football with no fighting spirit and no sound strategy would end in a big failure. That is what happened today. Ancelotti has managed to make expensive players look like shit.

Brian Wilkinson
220 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:06:56
This moment in time, Will, I feel a cross between the guy who ran on the pitch at Arsenal and wanted to take Nyarko's place, and the guy who ran on the pitch at full-time in the Elland Road 1995 FA Cup semi-final, who booted Ian Walker up the backside.
Derek Cowell
221 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:08:48
Out of interest, when did we last end a season with a positive goal difference?

I bet we won't have one after game 38. Even when we came 4th we went to Arsenal and got humiliated 7-0 to probably make us the only Top 4 Premier League team ever to finish with a negative GD (about –4 as I recall).

Si Cooper
222 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:11:02
Will (216),

I think that is application you are viewing, not purely fitness.

Some of our players (too many) are dead slow or lightweight due to their basic physiology and that is a terrible weakness, but there is no evidence that they are empirically less fit.

As I said, if you compare our better natural athletes, they out-leap and out-sprint those they should be compared to, and do it for the full 90 minutes. The internationals just wouldn't get to play in the international fixtures if they came up short in training.

Being switched on, focussed, on your toes, dominant, combative and confident are what you are perceiving as physical superiority, but they actually come from the player's mental state. Being fit simply isn't enough on it's own.

Will Mabon
223 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:11:32
Brian,

Best you stay away from Goodison on Wednesday!

Will Mabon
224 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:17:11
Si, I know what I'm perceiving.

Whilst there are athletic variations and other factors and details, as a team we look less fit than most opposition – less able to press, close and compete for space for as long as other teams; out-powered.

Incidentally, application – both mental and physical – is highly dependent on fitness.

The internationals just wouldn't get to play in the international fixtures if they came up short in training.

There are variations in fitness among even top level athletes. Sometimes natural genetic maximums, sometimes due to diet and training. Players often play at below their best, "Carrying an injury" and some look fitter than others: "Good engine" etc. As a team, and by comparison, Everton look lower on fitness than most opposition.

Bill Watson
225 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:37:07
Many of the current group of players have seen off Koeman and Silva and some were around when Martinez took the bullet.

Alex Ferguson once advised a manager to ship out some of his players or else they'd ship him out. Carlo should heed that advice.

Kieran Kinsella
226 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:44:48
Graham Potter has turned a long ball team battling relegation into a passing team battling relegation. Not unlike what Martinez did at Wigan aside from winning the cup, or Eddie Howe at Bournemouth though the latter also tasted mid-table.

So I'm not convinced that the “sack Carlo” brigade are onto a winner here. As Bill Watson said, let's focus on getting rid of the players.

Kieran Kinsella
227 Posted 17/05/2021 at 01:46:48
Brian,

Sounds like you're ready to go Basil Fawlty. Not a bad idea...

John Boon
228 Posted 17/05/2021 at 02:24:52
I have been on TW on a regular basis to encourage Evertonians to be positive.

Unfortunately, after that display, the only thing I am positive about is that I am positive that we do have a lousy team with no fight, grit, determination or even skill. Sad but far too obvious.

I will still be an Everton supporter for ever but I really have no more interest in this season. Just what has happened after such a bright start to the season?

Derek Knox
229 Posted 17/05/2021 at 02:34:53
John Boon, a very sincere and honest reflection on yesterday's abject showing, which I also feel echoes the feelings of even the most optimistic and loyal Everton fans across the World.

There can be no excuses any more, surely. I have always said that money, or rather mountains of it, has largely ruined the game we all love. All these ridiculous wages and contracts that no other professions that I can think of comes even close to matching it.

It seems to have bred a culture among players: "All I have to do is turn up, go through the motions (if we're lucky), and "Kerching!" Easy money, so why break sweat?

Soren Moyer
230 Posted 17/05/2021 at 03:08:06
Derek #221, These are our positive GDs for the past few seasons:

2018-19 +8
2016-17 +18
2015-16 +4
2013-14 +22
2012-13 +15
2011-12 +10

Source: footballdatabase.com

Alan J Thompson
231 Posted 17/05/2021 at 04:12:51
Just finished watching it... and "PATHETIC!" is what springs to mind – along with the usual questions of who looked and played more like the relegated team.

Another Calvert-Lewin "What does anyone see in him?" performance and our MotM would be a cruel joke if it wasn't for the one man who plays a game the rest seem incapable of, James.

During added time, the camera focused on Ancelotti and the look on his face seemed to be, "I wonder what it's like in Madrid right now?"

Before considering tying one on, I suppose Mr Ancelotti will be ringing Mr Brands to see what time he is free in the morning for a lengthy chat.

Brian Murray
232 Posted 17/05/2021 at 04:13:31
It's 4 am, I have just woken and, for a second, last night didn't exist... until you get that sinking Everton feeling, no matter who is in charge. I honestly think some at this club don't really want any success because it would mean having to deal with real winning pros who will see through the coaches.

As for the board, well a turkey won't vote for Xmas so no way will we see people there who are top of their professions. Everton really is some deep sinister inner circle of ineptitude. The owner entrusts totally the wrong people who are made for life as soon as they get an obscene contract.

Ancelotti's son just like Koeman's brother, just like ex-players, just like an admirable Everton in the Community CEO, just like a Chairman who will hang in for grim life until the new stadium is built at Bramley-Moore Dock, so as to get some vague praise.

Not Carlo's fault... and I doubt she sees or cares about any of that. He's the wrong fit for us. He obviously excels at fine-tuning a talented bunch – not starting from scratch with maybe 3 or 4 premier quality players.

As for Marcel Brands.... Kerching! Although I don't envy him trying to offload Sigurdsson, Gomes, Bernard, Keane, Iwobi... Replacing Seamus, a great servant, and so on.

David Cooper
233 Posted 17/05/2021 at 04:15:07
John #228,

After today's pathetic performance I didn't think there was any point in calling you! Nothing to say! But I will keep your number and maybe give you a call later this week when some of the pain has passed.

Henry Lloyd
234 Posted 17/05/2021 at 04:36:39
Time for Ancelotti to go!! He said in a recent post match interview that Everton are not a "Possession Football" Team!!! Well my question is "Why Fucking Not"?? Because until we are we will never win Fuck All.

Somebody please explain this to our experienced Manager because I seriously doubt he has a clue After that Comment!!

Brian Murray
235 Posted 17/05/2021 at 04:37:17
John boon. Your number looks suspiciously like the Samaritans! Coincidence? 😂
Lester Yip
236 Posted 17/05/2021 at 05:30:13
Lost to the worst team in the league. Speechless.

Have 86 mins to play catch up and still can't score a goal. This Richy and Dom combo clearly not working. And also, how many chances we have to create for the strikers to score a goal?

Dan Nulty
237 Posted 17/05/2021 at 06:34:17
Henry, as last night showed we aren't good enough to break teams down when holding on to possession. We haven't got the players to move the ball fast enough. There is a reason we've done better against the teams that want to try and play against us.

James was clearly not fit. Says a lot when he'd rather play Coleman right wing rather than Iwobi or Bernard even.

Andy Walker
238 Posted 17/05/2021 at 06:52:25
Moshiri said when he brought Ancelotti in, words to the effect that we have a good enough squad of players we just need a top coach to get them performing at the highest level. That comment sent shivers down my spine at the time as it smacked of an owner in denial, Moshiri really believed his £100s millions hadn’t mostly been wasted on substandard players.

There lies the problem, Moshiri calls the shots for obvious reasons, but doesn’t have a clue when it comes to recognising top quality footballers. Ancelotti has been pragmatic in his approach to managing us, he recognises the lack of quality in our squad, particularly from an attacking perspective, so has played a style of low possession, defend and counter attack football. It’s worked against top offensive minded teams, but the Achilles heal is exposed when we are expected to take the game to the opposition. We simply don’t have players good enough, or suited to do this. (Gomes, Davies, Delph, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Iwobi being the obvious).

I can only hope Ancelotti persuades Moshiri to accept he’s wasted £100s millions and a reset is needed. If not, nothing will change.

Eddie Dunn
239 Posted 17/05/2021 at 07:13:04
I am baffled at how the team has imploded. I don't know if it is the coach or the players or both.
However it seems that despite Carlo lauding Davies to the press, he prefers a half-fit Doucoure and an overrated Allan, who is as mobile as Peter Reid when he turned 60.
Even bringing Gomes on ahead of him, Davies must feel slightly deflated.
Coleman is game but a shadow of his younger self.
Yet the duo up top get off scott-free. Richie squandering chance after chance, game after game. Domenic pacing himself for bench-warming in the Euros and farting about with his man-bun.
Carlo can be ruthless with our lesser-know lads whilst he dotes on his precious jewels.
This side is hampered by unfit players, past-it old mercenaries and tired legs.
The team have no idea. Lack of balance and rigid playing patterns make them easy meat for any team who are quick and fit.
The manager is used to cajoling and massaging egos but it looks like he can't get a tune out of this lot.
The incredible away wins should be propelling us into the top three, but the lamantable home form would have us in the bottom three.
It is simple. We can park the bus and hit on the break...a difficult skillset which, when done right seems great but as Sheffield Utd found out this season, the one goal wins very easily become one- nil defeats.
Unfortunately we have no other method of playing. Our midfield combinations have all been tried and our undroppable front two have failed time and again.
The defence always has a mistake up it's sleeve. Away from home we survive by massed ranks protecting the back line but at home the slow midfield fails to both protect and support attacks. The left wing has only Digne to provide a threat and there is no threat at all on our right. We have no box-to-box centre mid worth his salt.
the ponderous approach play gives opponents plenty of time to reset.
Then when we do create chances we squander them.
I don't know where we will find the four or five needed players.
The future looks bleak. The players seem incapable of fighting. They have had plenty of incentive but have not risen to the challenge.
Many of them have let successive managers down. I think the answer is that many of these players are simply not good enough.
The only ones I would want to keep are Pickford, Digne, Keane, Godfey and DCL. The rest are either too slow, too old, not good enough or half-fit.
Danny Broderick
240 Posted 17/05/2021 at 07:13:05
I’m still scratching my head looking at our squad, wondering where all the wingers and strikers are. Our bench last night was a joke - it says it all when Sigurdsson, Bernard and Gomes are the cavalry. We have underperforming attacking players, and nothing in reserve to replace them with. How have we allowed several attacking players to leave (admittedly all shite), to only replace them with one forward (King) that our manager clearly doesn’t fancy? It’s like we have no strategy, despite having a DOF and a manager earning £9 million per year. Unforgivable.

We played 5 in defence last night against bottom of the league, with no striker on the bench and 2 GKs on the bench! It’s laughable!

Billy Dawber
241 Posted 17/05/2021 at 07:18:59
Said it months ago on here and got slated for it, Carlo is way out of his depth at Everton. Different kettle of fish coming here after being at the big glamorous outfits that we are not. Not saying that he is to blame for everything but he picks and trains the squad but doesn't choose the right tactics in my book. Don't really know what the answer is anymore, maybe someone younger with more drive. Can't think of any names but something as to give. Admittedly we need an overhaul of players but who in the right mind wants to come here ffs. That is the worst season for a long long time and yet we are still in the top 10. Glad there have been no fans to witness this as I'm sure there would've been some protests by now. Don't know what the future holds but it ain't going to get any easier I'm afraid.
Martin Mason
242 Posted 17/05/2021 at 07:49:54
Carlo needs to accept that the performance last night was bad because of the tactics we adopted. Time after time the final pass to our forwards was made from just forward of the half way line. SU on the other hand were making the final pass into the box from almost our 18 yard line and the goal was a perfect example of this. SU were exceptional getting the ball out of defence fast and not losing possession, they were good because their season is effectively over and they were able to experiment with young and untried players. Our future is not the dreadful deadwood that we have bought and still carry, it is our players who are in their teens and who should be introduced now. Carlo is playing 2010 football but the game has changed a lot. He needs to change with it or he will be deservedly gone.
Christine Foster
243 Posted 17/05/2021 at 07:56:54
It will be interesting to see what team is picked for Wednesday, Although it's hard to play any of the outfield the fact is we will have to but he has to replace several of more just to make the statement. Just go let them know that time is up. Frankly I don't care who comes in as long as they run their legs off, give it everything and do it with pace and desire. I don't care if it's route one all night, everytime a player back passes he is fined.
Carlo trusted and got busted. Whose boss? He has to break a few legs with this lot and get rid in summer. The list of those worth keeping are shrinking daily.
Brokenhearted, again.
Trevor Peers
244 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:07:17
Uncle Carlo has got the club and our supporters by the balls, with that long term contract he's on. Because of his past glories Moshiri was wrongly convinced Ancelotti could translate that success into revitalising a club that has lost its way, in fact he has has made another bad call and this time it will take years to recover from.

No team can play the way Everton have this season and hope to flourish, those ugly defensive tactics we have witnessed are hopeless and decades out of date, but it looks like things are set to continue in much the same way.

Next season is going to be another awful season of zombie football no matter who Carlo is fortunate enough to sign up. Let's face it we are not an attractive proposition for any player with ambition.

Paul A Smith
245 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:10:11
I didn't agree with yesterdays line up and we can talk tactics and subs all day but this is a team supposedly chasing europe against a side with no confidence.

Where is the pride in players? Why can't a player take it upon himself to take control of the ball or show passion on the ball?

If I am on that pitch my sole desire is to not look stupid against a relegation side. Its absolute soul destroying we can't score a decent goal while Lucifers lads score from their keeper heading the ball into the net.

Absolute shameful this team and the club is a laughing stock.

Robert Tressell
246 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:29:50
We just cannot go into next season relying in this same core group that has now been the ruin of 3 managers. We have an abysmally assembled squad with zero forward options - and a midfield that just cannot play premier league football.

I know the noise is about 2 or 3 quality signings but it's the wrong approach - because it means we will remain reliant on failed players.

There's now a very good chance we could finish as low as 11th having played atrocious football in the process.

We need about 5 players with the athleticism to play in this league. We don't need players like James and Allan - we need players like Godfrey - young, hungry, fast and aggressive. The players are out there and don't need to cost a fortune either.

Michael Lynch
247 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:47:13
You can't blame the squad for this because we clearly don't have one. Most clubs play the same team week in, week out when they're winning, we play the same team because it appears we don't have any other options.

The only decision Carlo seems to have to make is whether to start with Tom Davies or not. That's it. What the fuck else does he do all week? Certainly doesn't seem to be coaching, or motivating, or trying out new ideas.

I actually can't believe we've not been in a relegation battle this year, the way we've played. Our position in the table continues to flatter us. There hasn't been one game in which you could say we've been unlucky to lose, but plenty where we've been lucky to scrape the three points.

We can't continue to be this lucky forever though, so next season could be the one in which we finally go down to the Championship unless there is a massive change in personnel or attitude.


Alan Johnson
248 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:51:24
Carlos and his coaching team have to go. I know we have a lot of slow and average players. However, the tactics are pathetic and outdated and we've been sussed by other managers. Sorry folks but he has to go.
David Hallwood
249 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:53:23
Didn't see the football yesterday, watch the game but just didn't see any football. The disturbing aspect of this is the line up us probably our best 11, given that Coleman is no longer an up and down RB.

For those calling for CA to be sacked, really? Start 'the project all over again. We done it all, the Stella name, the new kid on the block, and now we've got the 'won everything ' manager.

Be honest, the problem is running, or to be more precise, strolling round the pitch, internationals all over the place, not San Marino but English, Brazilian, French, so why do they need a manager to motivate them?

Serious attitude problem through the club. In Carlo we trust, but not for the first time, a big, big summer ahead

Andrew Ellams
250 Posted 17/05/2021 at 08:57:47
If we go in to next season playing this awful tactic of Pickford passing short to a defender and then him and the defence playing short pass keep ball whilst the opposition presses on the from the half way line to stop us breaking out, it won't matter who he brings in during the summer, the results will be the same.

We have become so predictable and dull now even the most inexperienced coaches are outclassing the 'master' without needing to relay too much on inspirational ideas of their own.

Pete Clarke
251 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:05:03
Carlo may have said that we are not a possession team but it's his job to turn us into one – and I don't mean farting around in our own half.

He has plenty of players with varied experience and skill at his disposal, just as the rest of the managers have. He has Finch Farm for giving them their drills on what to do and how to pass the ball. He is one of the most decorated and experienced managers in the world... so what's gone wrong?

I think he can only work with elite players whose skills and brains are generally good enough to take on all opponents but, based on the past season, it looks not only like he cannot get more out of the players we have, but he has in fact made them worse.

Joe McMahon
252 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:08:24
I'm hoping RM move for Carlo. Lampards time at Chelsea wasn't all bad and he got Derby to the play off final, (as we know they escaped relegation by minutes this season). We could do worse than Frank, he seems hungry.
Billy Dawber
253 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:10:47
Hate to say this but maybe going into the championship for a few years will be the best thing to happen. At least we should win a few games and maybe even a trophy or two. This team stinks of mediocrity right now and I cannot see it getting any better for the simple reason all the other teams are in a much better situation regarding squad numbers or so it seems. Do we not have any up and coming players I ask and if so where are they. This as gone on far too long without any answers. This season as been dreadful to watch bar a very few games and I'm afraid we will have lost alot of fans who would have realised through the pandemic they don't need to spend their hard earned cash watching shite football that we have all witnessed. I am so glad I don't go anymore as it is a long way from N.Z. but I couldn't see myself paying to watch that dross anyway. Sorry fellow blues but I think it's time to start protesting in any way you can before it's too late.
Derek Cowell
254 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:15:46
Soren at 230. Thanks. It just doesn't seem like that! Even Big Sam did it!

David Cooper at 233. I think there is a lot more pain to come this week!

Personally I think we should be thanking Carlo because without him this sorry load of shite would have had us relegated this season playing the most turgid football seen from an Everton team for many a year. The only game we dominated was Sheff Wed in the cup! We play the worst football in this league bar none, as was proved yesterday. How we are 8th going on 11th beats me!

Sheffield Utd have lost alot of games by 1 goal and we have won most of our 3 pointers by 1goal. It's very small margins!

Derek Cowell
255 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:28:39
Billy ar 258. NOOOOO!

Being in the Prem is all we have. It's ok for you living in NZ but we have to live here with that other lot. Going down would be my worst nightmare. We would do a Man City, Leeds and Sunderland and go right through into League 1. Big clubs sulk lower down and the shock takes years, if ever, to recover from. There is no cash and the players we would have to buy would be even worse journey men than we have now. Any good kids we got would be snapped by by better teams in the Prem. No thanks!!

Brian Murray
256 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:34:13
The most unforgiving aspect is the lack of fitness. The rest is bad enough but that is basic that any club gets right or should do being pros.
Roger Helm
257 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:42:14
We won’t be relegated and Carlo won’t be sacked. As long as we stay in the Premier League the board will be happy. It seems to me that there is no real desire to break into the top group, or to win any trophies.

This attitude comes from the top and has permeated the club for twenty years now and I can’t see it changing unless the chairman changes. We have had lots of players and managers in that time, but nothing has really changed.

It is frustrating for those of us who can remember the glory days, but we have now morphed into a medium sized club albeit with a big fan base. Other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and now Leicester have overtaken us. Sad but true.

Steve Brown
258 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:44:37
Utter garbage from everyone involved with the club.

Picking a line-up with 5 defenders and 2 deep sitting midfielders away from home against WHU and Villa is understandably. It has got us results away from home all season so the ends justify the means, no matter how ugly.

But to take that approach at home to relegated Sheff Utd was a disgrace. Then to come to the press conference and say he is baffled and doesn't know how to solve it? That sort of response shreds your credibility.

Ancelotti also keeps making illogical selection decisions. he should have given Holgate a break from the team as he needs to ease the pressure so the lad can regain his form. Tom Davies should have remained in the team in the last 2 weeks to anchor midfield so Allan /Doucoure / Sigurdsson could push further forward. DCL and Richarlison have been a complete failure combining upfront so why continue with the experiment?

I have been a big supporter of Ancelotti not his coat should be on a very shaky peg after that game. The squad needs to be recast and we have two saleable assets in Kean and Richarlison. I think we need to make decisive moves right now.

Clive Rogers
259 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:58:07
Yet again we need a clear out and not just of the youngsters who are judged not to be good enough, but of several big money signings brought in over the last few years. Gomes, Sigurdsson, Iwobi and Allan are simply not good enough. Holgate, Coleman, and King need to be replaced. A new striker is needed to replace one of our front two as they are simply not a good combination and one of them needs to be replaced.
Sam Fitzsimmons
260 Posted 17/05/2021 at 09:58:15
The disappointment and frustration of this season was encapsulated in that performance yesterday. The inertia of the midfield and how passive we are when we do have the ball has been well aired on TW this season. How this team has managed to win away at Anfield and take a few other notable scalps and end up with 2 games to go and 3 points from sixth just leaves me scratching my head. I'm a big fan of Ancelotti but after 18 months in charge its right to ask questions about the coaching set up and whether he has the skill set to take Everton forward. Next season with the fans more than likely back at Goodison there will be no hiding place for him or this team.
Kevin Dyer
261 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:09:13
#215 Si, totally agree. No indication whatsoever that we lack fitness or commitment. Sigurdsson, for example who is often characterized as "standing around, pointing", gets through an enormous amount of work and undoubtedly has great stamina for a 31-year old. I also don't see us mentally collapsing and giving up either; in fact many poor performances have seen us make a push at the end, even if we typically don't get a goal.

The problem is not about players not caring or not being fit, but those labels are often flung about carelessly. What I think is fair to say is that the mentality of the squad is fragile and in a pressure game we underperform, hence the numerous blown opportunities this season. This shows itself in the odd mixture of low-tempo, passive possession play and forcing passes when we try to be progressive, which gives us a disjointed look. Add into this a real lack of creative playmaking ability in the squad and lack of running power/speed.

Clearly, to improve and not just read water we need to correct these imbalances. Previous transfer windows have seen a scattergun approach to recruitment, notably in Koeman's 2nd season, but also under Silva. Last summer was the first, probably since Bobby's first season where we added players intelligently. Allan and Doucoure hugely improved our midfield, adding energy and guile; it is unfortunate that both have missed significant chunks of the campaign and this couldn't be anticipated as both are not injury-prone, at all. The compressed fixture list has not helped and a foot fracture is just one of those things. Godfrey adds athleticism to the defence. James was a gamble, due to his spotty injury record but he's added class and creativity when fit. Hopefully next season he can stay fit. All four of those players have the right mentality.

So, we need more of those sorts of players and some of those linked suggest that's the way we are going to go.

People gobbling up every random story linking us to X, Y, Z players need to realize that if we were actually in for all these players we'd have a bigger squad than Chelsea and be bankrupt! Bale, Coutinho, Ramsey and Aguero are even less likely than Ivanovic ffs!!

One of the reasons we are inactive in the January is that Brands sees no value in that window, so why would be offering 200k p/w and huge signing bonuses to 30+ year olds who may also be injury-prone? James was a calculated gamble, based on his previous relationship with Ancelotti.

Personally I think we'll offload the debris left over from other regimes and also move out several who've played a fair bit this season, such as Iwobi, Gomes, maybe Holgate and/or Mina. Moise Kean will be sold for a large fee, I'm thinking £50m+. This will give us leeway to add 4-5 starting-calibre players for next season, replacing some and adding much-needed quality. We could end up spending about £80m but should recoup most of that and I don't think the overall wage bill will actually increase at all, possibly it could drop.

Re: Ancelotti. I've been disappointed that he's not been able to improve our play overall but sacking him is beyond stupid. I think he's been as frustrated as us in his inability to get the team to play the way he wants or to seize opportunities. I don't buy this nonsense that he's only able to manage top teams: he served his apprenticeship in Serie B and at some less-than-stellar outfits, albeit a long time ago. I do think he is used to getting a positive response from his players though and think this and our overall lack of quality has come as a shock. No doubt he is working to correct this by replacing those players he can't motivate or improve. He gets the additions he wants and by next summer we've failed to climb the table and are still stinking out the gaff with our play, then questions need to be asked.

Andrew Ellams
262 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:21:24
The attitude of the players the closer we get to the end of the season is starting to look like the end of the Martinez era when the squad seemed to lay down tools. Did Rodrigues try to get himself red carded last night?

Personally I believe Carlo Ancelotti is the wrong fit for where this team is right now but I've also come to the conclusion that he will still be in charge when we move to Bramley Moore Dock unless he has us staring another slide towards a relegation battle in the face. Don't expect much in the way of silverware or European football between now and then.

John Hall
263 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:28:20
Sad to see players playing in their flip flops when Europe beckoned. Putting Holgate next to anyone at the back is asking for trouble. The guy lacks concentration and offers very little coming out from the back as does Keane. Don't see why Southgate called Keane to explain his exclusion from the Euro's as it is plain for all to see why. Turns like a bus and is only useful when the defense is packed playing away from home where he doesn't get turned.

Sheffield did a number on us last season and played exactly the same way yesterday so what was Carlo thinking of with his 6 man defensive set up at home to an already relegated side. Richy was M.I.A. most of the game and looks to be disinterested and DCL was as anonymous as he has been for the most of the second half of the season.

That was Carlo's midfield trio on show yesterday !!!

Full backs acting as wing backs need a midfielder and lively forwards in front of them when they break out and not two defensive midfielders behind them. Sadly we have no such options as most are all very one paced.

Terrible end to another average campaign playing dire football. As season ticket time approaches no doubt the worn our management rhetoric record will be played once again. Fools are easily parted with their money as the saying goes.

Think the Nil Satis Nisi OptImum sign needs re-hanging in the kit room broom cupboard.

Mark Murphy
264 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:29:41
There's a load of changes needed this summer without doubt but I can't understand some people's views that Allan isn't good enough? From what I've seen he's the best of the midfield signings by a mile and is just what we needed to replace Idrissa Guaye.
For me Pickford, Godfrey, Digne, Allan & Doucoure are the only five I wouldnt want to leave. The rest, even DCL, aren't irreplaceable. I like Dom but he misses sitters that lesser considered players tuck away. Ditto Richarlison.
Christine Foster
265 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:43:09
Back when we were top, or even in the top 4, DCL was being lauded for staying in the box and just putting the ball in the back of the net.

In the 2nd half of the season, he has been all over the shop trying to be everything to everyone, making up for holes and just trying to get the bloody ball.

Richarlison has been anonymous for the past month or so, even his tracking back has started to ebb, at one point after missing winning out on another bad ball, he turned his back on play, he had given up on expecting to get it.

The midfield to a man went missing. The number of bad balls / slow play caused by no movement off the ball, was horrendous, no one wanted it. How often did we see balls played back, sideways and back again before hail mary passes by Keane?

No width, Coleman and Digne are full backs, raiders.. stuck out in the cold without the ball..

The list goes on, but more than anything was the feeling that they just were not bothered. If we had a second team I would have dropped the lot of them. Played the kids,put players on the transfer list, told others they had played their last game in blue. Christ, this lot make the Straqc and Niasse look brilliant!
Skill is great but I want a few hard nosed sods who want to win.

This lot has seen off a few managers, I got the impression some of them know they are out the door at the end of the season and are not going to try anymore. Drop them.

Clive Rogers
266 Posted 17/05/2021 at 10:58:34
Allan is past his best and struggling with the pace of the PL. He is giving fouls away pulling players back and for late tackles. He was bought too late in his career as was Sigurdsson.
Tony Williams
267 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:02:17
Hundreds of thousands per week for that, and they still get their money. If we performed like that at work we would be up the road in an instance. Surely something has to change. We have to work 40 hours or more to get a wage to feed the family and pay the mortgage etc. and a season ticket must come out of that.
Are we as fans being taken for a ride?
Kevin Dyer
268 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:08:49
Christine #265 DCL has changed his play since we shifted Richy up alongside him, so has reverted to dropping deep, drifting wide etc.

imo Ancelotti has made a couple of big errors this season, in attempts to correct problems that appeared after our great start playing a progressive 4-3-3, one of which is moving Richarlison from the left to up top.

Why has this happened? A combination of factors. Coleman lacks the athleticism to get up and down the flank. If he gets forward he can't get back and Rodriguez lacks the pace to cover (plus we don't want him that deep anyway). We lack any natural alternative player on the right as all are either crap or can't cross. Solution? Play Seamus at wing-back. This necessitates moving Richy off the left flank. He wants to play striker and we lose a lot of his unpredictability and tracking back when he's up there. So DCL has to drop back, completely contrary to the way Carlo was instructing him to play, with great dividends. Now, a 3-5-2 (or whatever we are playing) can work well, but the obvious counter is to force the wingbacks back, in which case we end up with a back 5. it's also reliant on the form of our only 2 options to play the positions: Digne and Coleman. As someone has said, Digne plays better as a fullback with someone ahead of him to combine play with and Coleman, much as I love the guy, cannot cross a ball. We have two midfielders, often operating against 3, DCL drifting around all over the place, Richy not a great target man, little movement up top, Rodriguez dropping too deep trying to get on the ball and finding passing lanes easily blocked by the opposition, zero width = appalling attacking play.

So. it's for want of a nail, really. Not replacing Coleman when he got injured. or subsequently has had huge knock-on effects, unbalancing the whole team.

Now, personally as decent as Coleman has been the entire desired shape and playing style of the team cannot be altered to suit the limitations of one player, club Captain or not. Other solutions should have been sought to allow us to retain the 4-3-3. Now, assuming finances were limited, if we'd acted early enough we could have brought in someone like Florenzi on loan (before he arrived at PSG) or, as part of the Kean deal brought in one of their right-backs on a loan.

Danny O’Neill
269 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:21:00
I left this overnight. I purposely haven't read through the comments, so my apologies to all for that.

I don't know where to start with this one. We had chances and could have won that, however the mentality wasn't right from the onset and those who have crossed the white line will hopefully understand when I say that within 10 minutes I knew we were not winning that one.

I've been optimistic all season, arguing the toss that we've stayed in touch of where we thought we could be. That we were still in the mix. That we were still in the fight.

Well you're only in the fight if you fight for it when it matters. You hold out until the 12th round but then you have to land a blow.

Carlo has a hell of a job on his hands this summer to rid this squad of the systematic bottling, choking mentality that grips us every time we have an opportunity to progress.

I agreed with Jay (BRZ) yesterday that I never look forward to the end of the season. I'm doubting myself with that now. So disappointed with them and I won't even bother dissecting or analysing individual performances.

Please excuse my frustration. Still raw.

Kim Vivian
270 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:21:04
- Mother of God.....
Bill Rodgers
271 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:39:15
It does not seem to matter what players we sign, who the manager is, how much we pay him - Everton remain comfortably te worst team in the Premiership. I say that mindful of the fact that we will again finish midtable - but that's because, yet again we are kept afloat by high quality players who perform once in a blue moon to keep us afloat. But as a team - we are relegation material. Our teamwork, commitment, intensity and passion are all worse than anyone else. We have been outplayed this season by at least 6 of the teams below us - maybe 8. And please don't kid yourself with the away record which is about parking the bus and scoring on the break.

Why has this been the typical EFC story for at least a decade? This forum looks for easy answers so will demand a new manager, pillory Kenwright and (most mysteriously) demand the appointment of Ferguson. It is now crystal clear that no matter how many millions are wasted - Everton will continue to be a team of uncommitted mercenaries.

I am sure that the answer lies with the fans. We demand instant success - so a superstar but fading manager will bring it? Or signing a world class but crocked midfielder? Or fielding Brazilian forwards who obviously want to be elesewhere? Or kidding ourselves about homegrown talent that have bought into their own publicity and give the ball away for fun then shrug?

Everton needs to be rebuilt form the bottom up. Clear out Finch Farm - get rid of the dinosaurs and the links with the past - it is nearly 40 years since we had a team. Then be prepared to wait whilst a progressive manager supported by competent coaches puts together a team with commitment, a method and, most importantly, the desire to play for EFC. We have none of that now. We kid ourselves about the amateurs at Finch Farm and the managers and players only ear for the money. We have allowed the homegrown talent to kid themselves. We either accept that a complete rebuild will take 3 to 4 years or settle back for season after season of EFC's own brand of delusional mediocrity.

John Kavanagh
272 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:44:14
Last night was nothing if not entirely predictable. Not just the result, but the scorer being a debutant 17 year old. We have always been God's gift to relegation fodder, players making their debut and strikers who can't score goals. Every struggling team looks anxiously at their fixture list to see when they play Everton. A TW poster once did a great service by listing many of our 'Everton that' epic fails a year or two ago. We could do with an update as there's lots of new additions to our roll of dishonour.

I'm afraid that Carlo is looking increasingly like the new Walter Smith, with James and Allan standing in for Gazza and Ginola. Faded stars and sick notes are not a recipe for Premier League success - they are its very antithesis. The EPL demands players who can consistently perform over 38 matches, not half a dozen. What we got last night wasn't so much catenaccio as cantbearsedatall football and the manager who decides on the team and tactics has to bear responsibility for that.


Fran Kearney
273 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:44:51
We get beat by Wolves midweek, which is highly likely, I can see Ancelotti walking away, he doesn’t need the money, nor the stigma of his reputation being tarnished by being associated with this bunch of losers
He is a proud sincere man and you can see in his post match interview how embarrassed he was by that spineless cowardly performance
Of course he isn’t blameless and I think this quote by someone on Twitter yesterday just about sums us up

“ They’re not a team
they are a series of miss calculated purchases by five managers over seven years that can’t play football”

Peter Dodds
274 Posted 17/05/2021 at 11:49:54
Kevin @268, thats a great analysis, I am of the same mind. Whilst Richy has looked good on rare occasions in a 2 up-front, he and DCL don't seem to work well together and we lose some of Richy's defensive qualities. We should revert to 4-3-3 or something like it, with Richy once more combining well with Digne and coming in from the left. Play 4 at the back. As you say, the glaring problem remains the right hand side.

The other issue is Stockholm Syndrome. Carlo has not just become convinced himself that the team can only play in a defensive formation with a similar mindset, he's now convinced the team that that's the only way they can play. Hence when it comes to home games any natural attacking qualities or tendencies have been completely neutered, not just tactically but also between their ears. They no longer have the freedom or the confidence to play progressively. Indeed we're not even a good defensive team - look at how many goals we concede, and how our lack of pressing and bite allows visiting teams to suddenly look like Barcelona. I'm not sure what we are any more.

Laurie Hartley
275 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:30:12
Well after our friend George Mc’s post pre match I said I would might try some “thought and contemplation” this arvo. This is what I have come up with:-

If Carlo and his coaching staff for some strange reason were locked up somewhere before this game and the players had to manage themselves, would it be reasonable to expect 11 highly paid players (many of whom are seasoned internationals) playing on their own pitch, to be able to come up with enough footballing know how to beat an already relegated bottom of the table all season team? Yes or No?

My answer is yes. Which can only mean one of two things:-

Carlo is hobbling them or they don’t care.

If they wheel one of them out to say we know the fans are hurting I think I will go completely off my rocker.

For all Blues living on Merseyside I feel for you today - it’s easy for me 12000 miles away - I just bury my head in the sand for a few days waiting for the next debacle.

Derek Cowell
276 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:36:44
If I was the Sheff Utd manager I would have played Brewster yesterday because the most expensive flop in the Prem needs his 1st goal and we can be so obliging.

Is anyone else fearing what Traore will do running through our pedestrian midfield and central defence on Wednesday. On motd last night he ran from well inside his own half twice to the edge of the Spurs box and then passed to young Silva who wasted 2 good chances. Faced with Keane he will just go straight through on goal. His pace and strength is impressive.

Tony Abrahams
277 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:38:48
I think it’s a mixture of both Laurie, and that Ancellotti, is hobbling them because he just doesn’t trust them enough.

It changes at Goodison, we usually play with less structure, and it’s given us one of the worst home records in the clubs history.

I’m sure we all feel if we could pick the team ourselves, we could have all done better than Carlo, in our home games, so this is why it’s understandable that people are currently not very happy with the manager?

Matthew Williams
278 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:39:24
The positives...erm...Enda Stevens played well,I'd would swap him for Digne as he's been dogshit all season (he ain't alone neither).
The negatives...jeez...sigh,I can't be arsed (like our so called Gaffer).
Danny O’Neill
279 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:40:08
Double edged sword Laurie, but I get what you're saying. In someways it's easier being away and able to ignore.

But then I can't ignore it. The dog had me up at 5:30am as always and the first thing I think about? Yes, Everton. I stomp around the local show grounds shouting at the dog when really I'm shouting at Everton!!

Separate but I also sometimes feel patronised when loudmouthed Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham fans tell me they "don't mind Everton". That tells you a lot about what other clubs think of us. They don't mind us because we are not considered a threat.

Mike Keating
280 Posted 17/05/2021 at 12:57:34
A fellow Blue (I converted the poor sod) stranded in Thailand accused me of being grumpy yesterday – this was my response at 5:15:

"You want Grumpy? Wait until Liverpool score a spawny winner in the last minute and Everton get stuffed by the worst team in the league!"

What odds would I have got on that one?

Tony Abrahams
281 Posted 17/05/2021 at 13:05:14
Even money, Mike!
Laurie Hartley
282 Posted 17/05/2021 at 13:18:42
Tony # 277 - you know what really worries me – I know that Richarlison is the best forward on our books and I know for sure that his best position is on the left wing. I have been banging on about this for weeks.

I can still picture him playing on the left for Watford at Goodison and cutting in from the left, waltzing in to the edge of the box and burying it in the back of the net. Like a knife through butter. From there, he is a 15-goals-a-season player.

It is really starting to bother me.

Derek # 276 - Traore is the first player we should sign this summer if we can. Unfortunately we will probably see why on Wednesday because unfortunately I don't think our lot have got it in them to pick themselves off the deck.

I will always live in the hope that we will be great again but with this lot and their multicoloured boots, at the moment, it is more a case of “how are the mighty fallen”.

John Kavanagh
283 Posted 17/05/2021 at 13:32:54
Tony A - Your odds are way too generous. Many here on TW would have put their house on an offer of 4 or 5 to 1 on. 'Everton that' is now so routine, I'm surprised so few professional bookies have spotted it.
John Boon
284 Posted 17/05/2021 at 13:51:07
David Cooper (233).

If you read this I fully understsnd. Disappointed beyond words. Even though I have lost interest for this season, we still have two more games so perhaps??? Maybe a chance to share complaints because this has become the norm since January.

Tactically we do have a striking partnership. Proved beyond doubt by the astonishing fact that Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison have three assists between them all season. has Zero!

We are plainly not as fit as almost any other team in the league.We start games as though we have just finished ninety minutes and we always start slowly as though mesmerized by the opposition

Unfortunately we seem to have lost all energy, drive and desire to beat the opposition. Losing so many home games is a puzzle that nobody seems able to solve.

Brian (235),

Sorry but no connection to "Samaritans". I am certainly not the good Samaritan as could be observed by anyone around me after the 90 minutes of "Rubbish" witnessed on Sunday. However I did wake up to sunshine, I am still on this earth and whatever happens I am still an Evertonian. With that in mind, I probably need to see a therapist.

Paul A Smith
285 Posted 17/05/2021 at 14:04:59
We signed Sigurdsson too late in his career? At 2! Some mad stuff posted on here. Lack of logic and substance or maybe honesty.

Sigurdsson wasn't good enough for Spurs when we were better than them but we signed him 5 years after Spurs for £45 million. The majority were happy with it and if we didn't hype shit players, we could urge them out of the club a lot quicker.

Affection shines through too many posts and I love this club as much as anyone but there is way too much poor judgement for average players and it just keeps continuing year after year.

I get stick for giving a signing stick, then 12 months later, everyones at it but nobody owns up to admiring the idea in the first place, do they?

This is why I stopped calling for managers heads. Average players get away with far more. I can't talk about these players like they are a member of family or I know them personally when they frustrate the life out of me – and they'd drop Everton like a bag of shit if Man Utd come calling.

Craig Walker
286 Posted 17/05/2021 at 15:09:01
Feel a mug for yet again being taken in by the promising start, the Spirit of the Blues, Carlo, James etc. I never learn.

When I was a kid, I got the impression that we had players who hated losing: Reid, Southall etc. Who do we have in that mould now?

This lot take to social media and write meaningless twaddle about “working hard”. Try working with Liverpool fans for a week and see how you like it.

Soren Moyer
287 Posted 17/05/2021 at 15:57:34
If we are going to stick with Carlo Ancelotti and bring in fresh blood, we seriously need to have a look at the following young players from other (lesser) Premier League teams instead of wasting millions on "has-been" mercenaries:

Netto
Troussard
Lapety
Bissouma
Aarons
Buendia
Cantwell
Perreira
Raphinha

And a decent mobile centre-back.

Danny O’Neill
288 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:07:30
I'll admit to defending Sigurdsson, Paul A. I did for a long time as I always thought in the right team he's one of those players who can not do a lot for 75 minutes but then change a game.

I then also got frustrated with him as time went on. Hands up, in line with your comment about over-hyping to start with and then realisation hitting home.

This season though, he has re-convinced me he can make a difference in a game. Played in the right position and surrounded by the right players.

It goes back to building a squad. Sigurdsson could have been a decent member of a good squad. Maybe not a pivotal player in a top side but a good squad member.

That's our problem. We (fans) are thinking too much about the current players we have as the starting 11. We need to build the squad. Keep most of what we have now; I think we've gotten rid of most of the deadwood. But a lot of what we have now becomes backup in an improved squad. Sigurdsson included.

David Cooper
289 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:25:05
John #284 – likewise, I will be watching on Thursday!

Why? Why not?

I couldn't find your telephone number. Can you email me: davidbcooper1952@gmail.com and we can commiserate together!

Ian Edwards
290 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:25:18
We should offer Crystal Palace whatever they want for Eze.
Ian Edwards
291 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:36:27
The main problem with the team is midfield. There is no attacking pace. Sigurdsson and Iwobi are no longer Premier League quality. Davies is too slow but is a trier. Gomes is a waste of time. He doesn't protect the defence and offers no assists or goals. He tends to pass backwards.

Allan just gives away free kicks. Doucouré is a huge let down. What does he offer. Two goals a season? Rodriguez is like a car that continually fails to pass its MOT.

Having said that I, feel Ancelotti should have at least tried something different such as Richarlison as attacking mid. I also feel Dowell was never given a fair chance. Give him the ball and he'll create.

Ancelotti has asset stripped the squad depth. For a Premier League club to not have a forward on the bench is downright negligent.

Thomas Richards
292 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:37:50
Where is Dowell playing his football, Ian?
Danny O’Neill
293 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:41:00
With what we have now, Ian, I'd have Davies in a 3 sat just slightly behind Allan and Doucouré.

But we do need additions to the midfield and in particular additions that add energy and pace. I won't contradict myself, I don't necessarily mean physical pace, just urgency and pace of decision making. In his defence, I saw (again) James looking up last night and getting frustrated because there was no movement in front of him.

Will Mabon
294 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:49:38
"With what we have now, Ian, I'd have Davies in a 3 sat just slightly behind Allan and Doucouré."

I was hoping to see this myself yesterday, as a matter of interest. With a back four and three up front, Richarlison and James wider. It was Sheffield United after all...

Thomas Richards
295 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:50:42
Danny,

Well spotted. He pulled his foot back three times to play the pass but checked because no runs were made.

Happened with Allan to. He carried the ball, taking more touches than he would prefer. Nothing happened in front of him and he lost possession. He stood with his arms stretched as if to say what the fuck is happening here.

Steve Brown
296 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:52:36
Think we should now all get a new hobby for our own mental health and wellbeing!

I am off to learn golf, speak Italian or play the guitar.

Thomas Richards
297 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:54:09
All at the same time, Steve? 😁
Will Mabon
298 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:54:10
Thomas - from August, in the Prem.
Thomas Richards
299 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:55:08
Who for Will
Thomas Richards
300 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:57:10
Googled Will.
Norwich.

Good luck to the lad.

Steve Brown
301 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:59:35
Thomas, yep. It's been that kind of week!
Tony Abrahams
302 Posted 17/05/2021 at 16:59:38
That's my gripe, Danny and Thomas, because this should never be the case when a team has got two up front.

If we could play Allan, Davies and Doucouré, with Richarlison and King either side, in a 4-5-1, I'm sure we could have won a lot of these home games.

At Goodison, the balance has rarely been right, and for that, Carlo Ancellotti must take a big part of the blame.

You can see the manager doesn't fancy many of the current squad, but playing Richarlison alongside Calvert-Lewin hasn't been a good decision, imo.

Barry Hesketh
303 Posted 17/05/2021 at 17:06:59
I wonder what the odds are of Kieran Dowell scoring the winner for the visitors in our Goodison Park meeting with Norwich next season? Worth a fiver?
Bill Gall
304 Posted 17/05/2021 at 17:14:56
Once again at the end of the season, it's the same call: get a new manager. We have had no stability at the football side of the club with the constant changing of the manager over the last number of seasons to try and rectify the previous managers faults using, the same core of players.

Each new manager that comes in buys players who he thinks can improve the team but is still using the previous managers squad. Not every player the manager buys is successful but the next manager is stuck with them, and he has to play them in a different system that he prefers.

Our present manager is the same: seeing the problem in midfield he brought in new players with Allan,and Doucoure the most successful before their injuries. James with out a doubt is a brilliant player but is not at a Premier League standard in his fitness.

We can all offer our own opinions on who we should play and who we should buy and be critical of the manager and players, but we can't change things or make our feelings known just through the media, we need the crowds back, as I am sure a few thousand of unhappy paying customers will soon let the management be aware of their displeasure at the standard of play.

We have to get stability in the team structure overall; if it means we have to suffer sometimes by poor performances, well that is nothing new. We have to find the right manager for the job.

I am not offering any excuses for Ancelloti as I have been as critical of some of his selections, substitutions and tactics as many of other supporters. What I do think, is he should be given another season to see if through his transfer dealings he can improve, not only the 11 players on the pitch but the overall squad and develop more younger players through the Under-23s.

I do not believe that Ancelloti is just here for the money, as any successful manager has pride in his work and has no wish to tarnish it by being incompetent. He must feel as bad about some of the performances as the supporters, but the difference is he is the one that has to do something about it; let's see if he can.

Kieran Kinsella
305 Posted 17/05/2021 at 17:21:06
Bill Gall,

I saw a Twitter spat among Villa fans earlier with some calling for Smith's sacking. The argument against was: “We don't want to be another Everton sacking their manager and rebooting every year.”

Thomas Richards
306 Posted 17/05/2021 at 17:27:28
He should never start up front, Tony. He can't play with his back to goal is the obvious one.

If he plays, it has to be wide left. King must be stinking the gaff out in training, mate.

Paul A Smith
307 Posted 17/05/2021 at 17:52:36
Kieran, I was thinking about this the other day. I thought the same with Silva. Bad tools make a bad job.

In the sense of rebooting I was thinking that this is all we do.

As cynical as it sounds, we either have a very good season and a good performer or two leave, or we are shite and need new players like now.

The grace we get this time as in keeping better performers might just be Ancelotti. Any other manager couldn't argue the toss but he can surely say "This is pointless; if I lose my top players every year, why did you want me?"

That argument won't happen for a while anyway because we are shite but if he gets new signings to improve us, then he might be allowed to gain continuity.

Ian Edwards
308 Posted 17/05/2021 at 18:05:47
Danny @293,

I think your suggested midfield would be very uncreative. We need attacking pace in there. Those three offer nothing going forward.

Will Mabon
309 Posted 17/05/2021 at 18:13:58
Ian, I think it's about making the best of it first, or trying to. Midfield is like the M6 too often and needs tightening/stabilizing before anything else. We can maybe play a little wider forward this way, and get Richarlison out of the middle.

Not gonna say it's the answer – desperate measures etc.

Jason Li
310 Posted 17/05/2021 at 18:26:09
Remember when Carlo asked Richarlison to give him one more season.

I think that's why Richarlison has dropped off - to not get injured.

He prefers to play No 9 so Carlo has no choice rather than fall out with one of our better players. Anyway, I think there is a good chance he is gone in the summer. Time to do a Leicester and buy a top replacement.

Hard to blame the manager as he knows his stuff and he can't change the squad after the summer window months ago.

Next window, we can only hope the recruitment team have all the lists prepared with outstanding gettable players, with scenarios for if some players want to leave like Richarlison. That is where we should have a moan if the recruitment side has not been well prepared.

Danny O’Neill
311 Posted 17/05/2021 at 18:39:11
I don't disagree, Ian. But that's what we have now. Hopefully next season we have better players to complement them as part of an improved squad.
John Boon
312 Posted 17/05/2021 at 20:23:28
Danny 311... so right about "Better Players" – but will better players want to come to Everton?

We need to make our mediocre players become better players. No easy task, but very rarely do we see our present players playing up to there own personal best.

We are so, so, so disjointed.

Yes, I know I used three 'so's... because we have been such a "so-so" team of late.

Simon Dalzell
313 Posted 17/05/2021 at 21:10:29
What really baffles me is that we have arguably the best header of a ball in the league and the manager doesn't just say "Bang it long and get around Dom!"

Instead, we play tippy tappy on the edge of our box with 10 mins to go. 1-0 down in a must-win match against shitty Sheffield Utd (no disrespect).

It's not his style, but maybe it should be. He should be screaming from the sideline to do just that, but he's cool though.

Michael Kenrick
314 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:01:17
Danny @288,

You do write an awful lot of nonsense on here, as if it's your local fiefdom. Most of it is pretty innocuous and can be safely ignored. But this post about Sigurdsson is a complete joke.

Change a game? When did he last do that? Okay Spurs as someone else has said, that's the only game it seems where he's had a motive to rise above the interminable dross we have tolerated for far too long. And let's not even talk about the free-kicks... Why you would even want to defend him defies comprehension.

"Keep most of what we have now; I think we've gotten rid of most of the deadwood. But a lot of what we have now becomes backup in an improved squad. Sigurdsson included."

I would worry about my sanity if I wrote such nonsense in public. Of the confirmed deadwood we have left (and whichever way you cut it, there's still an awful lot), at least Besic, King, Walcott, Bolasie and Pennington will (hopefully) join Connolly and Adeniran in being released at the end of their contracts this summer.

That leaves the following incredible list who have another year on the Finch Farm gravy train: Delph, Coleman, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Kenny, Tosun, Baningime, Markelo. Presumably you're happy to see them all continue in this ridiculous hope that they can somehow become worth keeping amongst a better squad of players? No; Get Rid. But guess what? Your wish is granted because of those ridiculously generous contracts they are on.

And that doesn't even include the largest piece of deadwood in Iwobi, who we are stuck with for another 3 years!!! Argh!

Danny O’Neill
315 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:12:24
Michael,

You are much better than describing people's views as nonsense in fairness.

Okay, What I meant is that I thought most of the deadwood is out of the squad. It doesn't mean we still don't own some of it but a lot of it now isn't near the first team. That leaves us thin.

I apologise if I write a lot of nonsense. Like many, I only come on here to give opinion and debate with other Evertonians. For the record I would never consider myself better than anyone else so the local fiefdom jibe is a cheap shot.

If that's the vibe I give off I will refrain and apologise.

Barry Hesketh
316 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:13:27
Carlo's take on the need for changes for next season as reported by the Echo:

But he stressed it will not be a period of wholescale change as he attempts to fine-tune his squad.

Ancelotti said: "We don't need to do a revolution. We have to follow our plan, it was a good plan last season when we signed good players"

"We have to do this season, following our project and our plan. Absolutely no revolution. To improve the squad we do not need to do a revolution."

The three-time Champions League winner accused his team of lacking 'a strong personality with the ball' after defeat to Sheffield United and insisted once more he will look to address the flaw this summer.

Ancelotti continued: "Of course we have to improve the quality of the squad in this sense for the next season, this is for sure.

"But you can play football in different ways, not only with the quality. You can get a result not only with the quality.

"It is true I won a lot of trophies but I do not know how many trophies I won for the quality, instead of the spirit, the concentration, the sacrifice, the personality.

"It is not only a matter of quality. But I agree with you the quality of the team has to improve next season."

I'm hoping that this means he will be a little more hands-on and start to make sure the players turn up to each and every match, but those expecting sweeping changes will be disappointed as it looks like we'll largely make do with what we already have and at best reduce the squad to a more manageable size due to contracts expiring with perhaps with one or two additions. I expect Sigurdsson will get an extension too. As Michael says above... Argh!

Michael Lynch
317 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:29:28
That's Martinez-esque levels of shite from Carlo. He really does seem to have caught the bullshit virus - perhaps he's been at Everton too long.

I'm a big fan of his, and he's an incredibly high profile guy to have at the helm, but the things he's said in the last couple of days are giving me a really bad feeling about next season.

The idea that we are better without the ball than with it, that you can aim to play football without quality, that we aren't good enough to be a possession team, that we don't have a strong personality with the ball, yet we don't need wholesale change is worrying.

Thomas Richards
318 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:32:26
Sigurdsson can play for a Top 6 team no problem. The only one in the squad who is on the same wavelength as James. I would keep him.
George Cumiskey
319 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:39:02
Sigurdsson can play for a Top 6 team, no problem???? Oh my god!!!!!
Rennie Smith
320 Posted 18/05/2021 at 15:43:20
I'll back you up Danny @315, I get your point about Sigurdsson. He gets plenty of stick on here, sometimes fully justified as he's been off his game for quite some time now. But sometimes, and I'll admit it's far too infrequent, I think he shows glimpses of the player that only 2 years ago scored 13 goals in the season (about a quarter for the whole team). It only appears when he's playing in his best position, in the centre just off the main striker.

There was one recent game, I can't remember which, where it seemed like him and James were starting to get a bit of an understanding going and it also seemed like he was enjoying it for once.

For those dreamers expecting wholesale changes and miraculously a whole new quality team appearing, it's not going to happen. So we need to think about who could add value to the squad and out of the usual suspects list to get rid, maybe he is one to keep?

Listen, I'm no fan of Sigurdsson of the moment (not a big fan of any of them to be honest), but I get your point Danny and Michael, not everyone's opinion is complete nonsense by default.

Michael Lynch
321 Posted 18/05/2021 at 16:06:23
I like this game of keep/get rid. Here's my 'keep' list:

Ben Godfrey
Speedo Mick
The steward in UB4 Upper Bullens Stand
Big Dunc
The cat that ran on to the pitch against Wolves in 2019

The above seem prepared to give their all for the club. The rest - get rid.

Mark Rimmer
322 Posted 18/05/2021 at 16:41:43
Michael @321 I'd add Eddie Kavanagh and the 2 coppers to that keep list.
Dale Self
323 Posted 18/05/2021 at 16:59:17
As diplomatic as he can possibly be Michael 317 and the club is still in a position where speaking of problems diplomatically is the way to handle it for all parties affected. Should he come right out and say "Hey man, I didn't request these guys and here's what I was told before this all went to hell"? No, obviously not so let's not trap him in words when it is genuinely there for all to see that he feels this at the level we express. Carlo has the stature to take reigns here if we as supporters get behind him and apply some gentlemanly (and womanly) pressure. Start laying out markers yourself, I believe he will gain your trust and not just in a relative sense to the others also responsible.

Thomas Richards
324 Posted 18/05/2021 at 17:13:15
George,

You can use OMG nowadays like the kids do.

Rennie Smith
325 Posted 18/05/2021 at 17:25:25
Michael@321 can we add to your get rid list the shite competitions at half-time where some poor fool, who has clearly never kicked a ball in their life, comes on and tries to hit a crossbar or at best just knock it in the net. They make a complete tit of themselves while the bloke on the mic desperately tries to drum up just 1 decibel of excitement from a crowd that don't give a flying feck.

I also vote for keeping Big Dunc holding up the giant subs board thing. You can tell he's made up that he knows how to work it, I bet he tries to show off to Carlo like you're showing your nan how to use an iPad.

Danny O’Neill
326 Posted 18/05/2021 at 17:46:47
I've been on the fence off the fence with Sigurdsson Rennie. Tried to keep the faith with him, tried to defend him. Then just threw the towel in with frustration. However when used correctly this season (and it wasn't just the Tottenham game), he's shown the glimpses of the player that is in him.

Consistent every week player? No. Still has a part to play in the squad? Given where we are and what is needed I would say yes.

Keep the awkward and embarrassing half time competitions. The ones where most are checking out the scores elsewhere or on the concourse grabbing a sausage roll and a pint taking no notice of Jim from West Derby shooting with his other left foot after a dodgy pre-match session induced run up? Quality!


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