Blues steal a dramatic draw with the last kick

Michael Kenrick 06/02/2021 427comments  |  Jump to last

Everton take their excellent record away from home to Old Trafford where they have only won twice in the Premier League era when they face title-chasing Manchester United.

Olsen retains his place with only one keeper, Virginia, on the bench where Carlo Ancelotti names the full complement of 9 players this time, with Niels Nkounkou named. Keane returns to the starting line-up. King is on the bench again with Richarlison, Rodriguez and Calvert-Lewin given the main responsibilities in attack.

The Blues kicked off with an aimless hoof upfield, immediately conceding possession. Cavani fired behind off Davies, winning a corner that Everton cleared. A promising Everton attack ended with a poor ball from Holgate to a defender.

Lindelof looked to run through the entire Everton midfield until he met Michael Keane. Davies kicked Fernades to dispossess him, giving up a free-kick.

Davies released a great ball for Calvert-Lewin, who was forced to take it wide and the cross wasn't right for Digne. Some really good movement won a corner off a clever ball over the top from James but his delivery curled behind the byeline.

Everton were able to move the ball forward well, Gomes finding Richarlison, but the final ball was too difficult for Calvert-Lewin. James was seeing a lot of the ball but his passes were being anticipated by the Man Utd players and he was finding it hard to impact the game.

Greenwood curled in a wicked cross that was over Cavani and headed behind by Holgate. Pogba got in a powerful header that was going wide and Doucouré cleared.

Greenwood got past Digne and bamboozled Gomes with his run in on goal but screwed his shot well wide across the 6-yard area. Doucouré gave away a really soft pass in midfield, and a cross from Rashford was then buried at the far post by that man Cavani, a horrible error and a shocking gift from the Blues.

It was a massive blow for Everton, undoing all the good work that had been building up to a good release ball through Richarlison or Digne. Now, the entire tempo of the game would change with Man Utd suddenly comfortable in the driving seat.

The Red Devils then dominated the play with The Blue shirts of Everton looking raged and lost unable to get any time on the ball, let alone mount an attack.

Cavani and Digne collided, a free-kick to Utd but Fernades thankfully wasted it. However, the one-directional onslaught simply resumed in midfield, interrupted by Pogba pulling something near his groin, Fred replacing him.

EVerton continued to play zombie football until Gomes suddenly played a good forward ball. It looked like a lost cause but it fell to Richarlison, taken somewhat by surprise, with De Gea out of his goal but the Brazilian failed to punish him with a wayward shot.

One-way traffic resumed but Fred missed what would have been a sitter for Pogba, pushing his shot wide as Everton rocked under the punches once again. The ball did come to Richarllison but he just simply fell over under the presence of two defenders in his proximity.

Meanwhile, back at the other end, Davies waved his leg at Fernandes who whipped in a wicked shot that flew over Olsen and into the Everton net. What a disaster.

Calvert-Lewin was played in for a one-on-one with De Gea, he hit it reasonably hard this time to beat De Gea, and beat the far post, only to see the linesman then raise his offside flag.

The one-way traffic resumed after the break, Shaw stinging Olsen's palms. Everton broke down the left through Davies and he fed DL who ran in and shot at a narrow-angle, forcing a parry from De Gea that fell nicely for Doucouré to make amends with a tap-in.

Everton somewhat regained their belief on the back of this and started to take the game to their much-vaunted hosts, and, when the ball fell to James, he fairly hammered it home to equalize inside 7 minutes of the break, off a brilliant cut-back from Doucouré. Remarkable.

Richarlison got forward and swung in a great cross but Calvert-Lewin was lagging too far behind to take advantage. Calvert-Lewin was in position in defence to head away a good free-kick delivered from Rashford, with Everton having to repel a number of Man Utd attacks.

They worked it through to Rashford, who failed to beat Olsen from close quarters. Everton then had to batten down for a period of resistance until Greenwood rugby tackles Rodriguez just before he was removed in favour of Sigurdsson.

And from an innocuous Man Utd free-kick wide left, Shaw delivered a decent cross that McTominay glanced past Olsen as he flapped at the ball, seemingly losing his footing to give the lead back to the home side.

Everton had a couple of free-kicks from Sigurdsson after Shaw fouled and it seemed Calvert-Lewin had a great chance but he was offside again. Everton lived dangerously at the other end, Fernandes curling his shot just over. Then Rashford got into a good position only to spin and shoot across goal.

Keane had to foul Rashford and take yellow, setting up a classic set-piece chance that Fernandes shot over, as King came on for Doucouré.

Everton attacked in numbers but Digne was a little wasteful, trying to beat Dea at an angle with players running into the Man Utd area. King was involved on the left but did very little to really change the game.

Calvert-Lewin rather brutishly picked Maguire's pocket and fed Richarlison who snatched at his shot and drove it wide of De Gea's goal.

Everton threatened again well after the 4 minutes of added time (following an additional Man Utd sub) and stole a draw off a late free-kick after Tuanzebe had fouled King for a yellow card. A fine delivery from Digne glanced off Keane and Calvert-Lewin took it well on his body then poked it past David De Gea to give the Blues that winning feeling despite only drawing the game.

Kick-off: 8pm, Saturday 6 February 2021 on Sky Sports
Referee: Jon Moss
VAR: Andre Marriner

Manchester United: De Gea, Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw [Y:73'], McTominay, Pogba (39' Fred), Greenwood (90+3' Tuanzebe [Y:90+5]), Bruno Fernandes, Rashford, Cavani.
Subs: Henderson, Martial, James, Telles, Matic, Williams, Van de Beek.

Everton: Olsen, Holgate, Keane [Y:80'], Godfrey, Digne, Doucouré (81' King), Davies (75' Iwobi), Gomes, Rodriguez (69' Sigurdsson), Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison.
Subs not Used: Virginia, Coleman, Nkounkou, Mina, Delph, Bernard.


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Graham Mockford
1 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:08:45
Darren

Best team I've ever seen. Probably on a par with 70 Brazil, 90s Milan and Peps Barca

😉

Christy Ring
2 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:09:15
Happy with the lineup, especially Godfrey at centre-back. I hope Richarlison gets his mojo back.

Listening to Carlo yesterday doesn't inspire me about when Gbamin is back, originally due back in December, still hasn't started training with the team yet.

Dave Williams
3 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:11:10
That's a strong selection and will do for me. They look strong too and this will be a very interesting game. It will all depend on our approach – will we lie down for them or go for them?
Jack Convery
4 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:11:11
Doucoure to score - 1 nil to Everton. COYBs.
Geoff Williams
5 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:12:17
Happy with this team selection... which probably means we'll lose.
Jamie Crowley
6 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:12:49
OMG! What the hell is Carlo thinking!?? That's an AWFUL lineup.

He's seriously lost the plot. Why in the hell do you ever XYZ when you should ABC!?

Players shouldn't even bother. Carlo out!

Pre-match bitch worked last game.

Ciarán McGlone
7 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:13:34
Right...

One player off the team I would have selected.. I have no issues with Davies starting but not at the expense of Iwobi.

That probably means a constricted centre three with James on the wing (which I don't like).. or Davies playing on the wing (which I also don't like)..

But.. its a strong, if a little unbalanced, team... so let's have no fear and play a game of football.

Beer in hand.

Tony Hill
8 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:19:10
I wouldn't have chosen Tom for this one either, Ciaran. Let's hope he has a stormer.
Fran Mitchell
9 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:19:30
Think the game is more about how we set out to play, than the personnel.

Not surprised at James' inclusion. He has the ability to produce the magic necessary in this type of game, and Iwobi hasn't produced much.

Looking forward to this one. A defeat won't be the end of the world, but a positive result could really spur us forwards.

Oliver Molloy
10 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:26:00
Well, all the experts don't give us a chance and don't want us to get a result anyway so a real opportunity to show they haven't a clue.
COYB.

Paul Birmingham
11 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:30:19
I think this is decent team to compete and stifle United.

I hope that tonight that with conditions they take plenty of shots but really get into the face of them, and get them stretched.


Good delivery and vision passing and hopefully good opportunist finishing tonight, can see Everton get a result. 7nited hasn't been consistent at home, so Everton to take the initiative.

UTFT!

Tom Bowers
13 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:35:13
I am sure Carlo knows what he wants and expects with his team selection so we have to trust it's one that will get a result but with Tom Davies in I see a defensive strategy which is very dangerous against Manure.

If the team sits back to absorb Manure's attacks and hope that the one counter attack will prove enough then it's going to be a long afternoon unless Richie returns to form in a big way.

Oliver Molloy
15 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:41:23
Solskjaer reckons 3 points are in the bag just listening to him - come on Everton, lets prove him wrong.
Thomas Richards
16 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:45:51
6 different goal scorers in our last 4 away games commentator just said.

Spread them around, Carlo.

Kevin Prytherch
17 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:48:13
Is this 4-3-3? Or is it 4-2-3-1 with Davies right midfield? Either way, I doubt many can predict Carlos teams.
Bobby Mallon
18 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:48:47
i just hope we don't give them to much respect and fucking get into them.
Thomas Richards
19 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:50:02
"i said to the players, be brave, get on the ball. Dont be scared, use our quality'

Jay Harris
20 Posted 06/02/2021 at 19:52:12
Maybe Tom is to nullify Fernandes but I do worry about that. I would prefer the place of iwobi.
Thomas Richards
21 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:27:46
Theres your problem with Michael Keane
Michael Kenrick
22 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:29:36
Absolutely livid with that lazy lazy pass from Doucouré that led to their goal.

Criminal negligence.

Phil Wood
23 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:33:31
Richie making runs all the time. Can someone pass him the bloody ball.
John Dingle
24 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:33:39
Why is Digne marking Maguire at corners, asking for a problem
Charles McCann
25 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:34:33
Not happy with Holgate playing right back. Offers nothing going forward and suspect defensively in that position. Need Coleman on there ASAP.
Phil Wood
26 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:38:50
Christ I wish we had Cavani's passion. Looks like he would kill his Granny for a goal.
Kevin Dyer
27 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:42:27
Need to be more confident in getting the ball forward. 2 poor passes by Doucoure so far. Davies playing really well. Think Mina stops their goal. Not over yet but we have to see out the half and come out and play in the second. They are a good team but not unbeatable.
Kevin Prytherch
28 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:47:59
Our issue at the moment

In previous games defensively we drop into two banks of 4 with Richarlison filling the left mid role. We're leaving DCL and Richarlison up front to hit them on the break and, because James has no defensive discipline, we only have a bank of 3 and 4. This leave Gomes wide left with Digne trying to cover Wan Bissaka's overlaps. This just isn't working.

I can see why Carlo is leaving Richarlison up, but I feel that we will have to leave James up and let Richarlison cover the left. We are letting them have all the time in the world on the edge of our own box on our left due to lack of numbers.

Thomas Richards
29 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:48:23
Tom Davies doing the can can there
Bill Fairfield
30 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:48:42
Tom Davies all effort and commitment,absolutely no skill and ability,might as well get somebody out of the street end
Ciarán McGlone
31 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:50:21
Great start.. although little threat from us, nice play.

Holgate was off his game from the beginning and was watching Cavani for the goal.

After the goal.. heads down. Our superstar has been awful.. he needs hooked.

Olsen suspect. Kicking and that Fernandes goal.

Phil Smith
32 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:51:39
DCL can't hit a feckin' barn door at the moment. 1 on 1 and I never had confidence he would bury it the way he's been playing. Same story - he and Richy out of sorts. Game over.
Michael Kenrick
33 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:53:08
We had looked really nice and playing pretty well until giving that goal away. SInce then, we might as well have thrown the towel in.
Tony Hill
34 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:54:06
Lack of concentration, lack of ball retention. The problems we've had for many years, especially against decent sides.
Craig James
35 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:55:02
James needs to be dragged off, quality player on this day but a luxury WE CAN NOT afford.

Lacking the passion, energy and confidence and sitting too deep.

Chances we had were balls over the top that we should of been playing most of the half with our formation.

Tbf thats why utd are utd and where they are and Everton are Everton and where they are.

Ps dom should finish that at the end, difference between a gd striker and a quality striker like cavani.

Let's hope it doesn't get embarrassing.

Justin Doone
36 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:55:11
Well ignore my advice of keeping a sitter on Bruno. He's found way too much space and time on the edge of our box and wow, what a goal.

You can't blame the keeper, no one saves that. Maybes Davies should have closed down quicker but that's Gomes or Doucoure side. Where were they?

Don Alexander
37 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:55:24
Are Utd Newcastle in disguise? Why are we standing off them so much? Why are we again unable to string passes together? Why are we imagining we're like Barca in playing the ball across our own area whilst the opposition close us down so quick we panic and lose the ball over and over again?

Jeez! Have they no pride?

What the hell do DCL and Richarlison have to do to have anyone pass forward to them before the entire United team is in the defensive formation of their choice?

Kevin Dyer
38 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:55:49
Bill #30, waiting for the first knock on Davies and that's a load of shite. Doucoure is the better player but Davies is out-playing him by a mile first 45.
Ciarán McGlone
39 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:56:30
P.s Gomes wouldnt look out of place in that united side. He is a very clever player.
Chris Williams
40 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:56:44
They've scored two good goals and we haven't threatened them at all.

Let's see how it goes second half. But please, less passing backwards, and get James further forward.

Ernie Baywood
41 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:57:37
We need more quality on the ball. Easier said than done, but we've got too many who are below average in that area.

Olsen, Holgate, Godfrey, Davies, Doucoure. None of them are comfortable with the ball at feet - they're all at the club for different qualities. But that's half of our team. You can't have that many in one side.

Disappointed in DCL... what a chance to miss. I actually think both he and Richarlison look quite dangerous.

Rodriguez breaking my heart a bit. Shows great moments of quality followed by some really careless moments in midfield.

Both goals... we stood off them.

Pete Hughes
42 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:58:13
All too bloody predictable, 1 clear chance thru on goal, has to fall to the one that can't hit a barn door in that situation!
Justin Doone
43 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:58:39
There few luck souls be player onto their area. That was another poor decision. Several poor passes but Iwobi and King on to save the day?? Maybe..
Thomas Richards
44 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:59:19
Ernie,

Good shout.
If that goes in to make it 2-1 its a different second half

Stuart Sharp
45 Posted 06/02/2021 at 20:59:49
Bit surprised how rubbish that was after the first goal. James probably had his least effective half there. Doucoure sloppy in possession again. The 2nd goal was weird... like a set piece, with no blue shirt near him. Very frustrating.
Brian Hennessy
46 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:00:25
Davies is certainly not the problem.

James and Holgate have been awful and Doucoure not much better. Is there any team in the league that passes the ball backwards so much?

Ciarán McGlone
47 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:01:39
I don't believe that's an unstoppable goal.. if hes on his line.. he saves it.
Simon Dalzell
48 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:01:56
Absolutely pathetic. Negative set up, backward passing etc. I'd rather lose at least attempting some football. James is just swanning about. At least one gift of a goal. Complete garbage.
Michael Lynch
49 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:02:04
Pre-goal fine, post-goal shite.

United are loving this, we look like we just want to go to home and have a kip in front of the telly

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

50 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:02:31
A quick scan of the comments - and Tom Davies is being called out???!!!

He is a shining beacon in Blue in that first half.

He is the one brave enough to get on the ball. Get in the tackles. Carry the ball. Keep it moving accurately and attempting to get us on the front foot.

By contrast, you have Doucoure being loose in everything he does. Just play back the first goal. James passing the ball backwards to a red shirt. Gomes, like Tom, also doing some good stuff.

Mason Holgate started badly and has got worse. Yes, more pressure should have been put on Rashford to prevent him getting in the cross for Cavani's opener, but why is Mason so static at the back post? He can see the whole play. He has noone behind him to worry about. Why hasn't he tucked in to help out Keane?

Again, on the stroke of half time, it's our goal kick. The ball comes out to Holgate who hits a pitch wide pass on a parallel with the edge of our penalty area with a string of United players pressing. The ball gets turned over, Fernandes is allowed too much room. Class finish, but if the name of the keeper was Pickford instead of Olsen, I can imagine what the posts on here would be like.

GREAT chance to get back into it even before half-time. Dominic HAS to score. It's a potential game changer and a different discussion and play on the re-start.

We started so well. Playing it around and through United nicely. But now they are the ones playing it around and through us too easily.

A big ask to salvage anything from this game now. But some players in Blue are making it difficult to do that.

Tom Davies is most certainly not one of them.

Stuart Sharp
51 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:03:47
Fully agree with those defending Davies. Don't see him as the weak link here. Holgate, Doucoure, even James to a degree.
Christine Foster
52 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:03:58
Dreadful, way too deep, Holgates 40 yd ball right across the penalty area, nightmare, Davies nowhere near Fernandes.. front three haven't had a look in, Utd strolling. Keane lost his man too simple.. Doucouré can't even give a simple 5 yard ball..
Passing poor going forward, about as clinical as a hammer..

Radical tactical revision needed at half time.. Haul off Holgate, put Coleman on, Or Nina on and Godfrey at full back.. cannot be any worse than it is. Midfield? Take your pick, King has to come on but honestly I can't see a way forward.. Carlo? time to earn your bikkies..

Ian Hodgson
53 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:04:16
Never written on here before, always enjoyed reading comments but after watching tonight I had to say something.
I never like listening to the sky commentary but tonight I have to agree with Neville. We get the ball and go backwards, when we do get the ball in dangerous areas United are over us like a rash and deny space. When they attack we seem to stand off and let them pick and choose passes etc.
Fernades goal a prime example, he probably couldn't believe the time and space to pick that shot out.
I live in Bristol and have followed Everton my whole life ( along with my brother) and always will, my kids are Everton fans and even have two grandkids with middle names of Everton but tonight's game has got me so frustrated and at a loss for words. Just play with passion and belief!!!!!
Michael Lynch
54 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:04:19
I agree, Holgate has been awful. Davies is by no means the worst player on the pitch
Tony Abrahams
55 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:04:41
Michael@33, I agree but both Davies, and Gomes, had already given cheap passes away, but Doucoure wasn't so lucky with his slopiness.

When midfielders have space they should travel forwards with the ball, especially on a big pitch like Old Trafford, when the play will open up for direct and positive footballers?

Lewin should have got us back in the game then, but Ancellotti said we'd be doing something different because United had beaten us twice, and if he can't see Dominic, has the beating of McGuire, and needs a partner so he can isolate and then exploit him, then I'm really disappointed in our manager tonight.

Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:05:08
Davies could have done better on their second goal but he is Everton's best player for me up to now, both goals were avoidable but United much the better team.
Graham Hammond
57 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:06:15
Seemingly game over now, of course, Carlo has got it wrong again by selecting both James and Gomes, too knife through butter with those two for me, prefer the pace and energy and better defensive backtracking that Iwobi gives us. United are just passing it around Gomes and JR and waltzing past at will, if Andre Gomes is playing left centre midfield then he has to close down a damn sight better than he is or has, we are not playing in Spain or Portugal here! Tom Davies is doing relatively well and justifying his selection, probably should have done better closing down on their second goal but it should have been Gomes on it in the first place! DCL shite again and ambling from the start, sets a bad example but grew into the game when we fell behind and started working harder and improved consequently. I would like to see him on the last defender a lot more often though, that was how he got that great chance at the end, somewhat predictably fluffed his lines though. Mason looking less than happy at RB, maybe sulking and wants to be playing centrally, doesn't look fully engaged.
Phil Wood
59 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:08:59
Tom Davies playing a good game. Pity most of the Team appear in awe of Utd and showing them too much respect.
Oh Yes we have scored.
Come on you Blues!
Kevin Dyer
60 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:09:21
Great goal. That bum Davies fairly instrumental too!
Bill Fairfield
61 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:09:27
Kevin @ 38
Kevin I am not doubting Tom's effort and commitment
Kevin Dyer
62 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:11:02
Bill #61 I am seeing genuine ability also
Phil Wood
63 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:13:48
Have I dropped some acid?
Ciarán McGlone
64 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:15:24
Get fuckin in..
Christy Ring
65 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:17:23
Kevin# Davies probably our best player
Bill Fairfield
66 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:17:32
Kevin @ 62
Respect your opinion,but feel effort and commitment is used as an excuse for skill and ability these days
Phil Smith
67 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:18:14
Getting at them, especially Fernandes this half. Another rocket up their arses from the management? Great stuff so far.
Phil Wood
68 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:25:56
Why do I get the feeling a draw would be the Manager's dream.
Have a blooming go and don't fall back.
John Davies
69 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:27:05
Came out second half firing on all cylinders. Got level. Stopped playing again. WHY?

Mason Holgate a complete liability. Olsen having a mare.

Phil Wood
70 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:30:43
Get back in the game then just invite them back on. Show some flipping Management and push your team forward.
Phil Smith
71 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:31:48
Everyone still think Olsen is the answer?
Ian Hodgson
72 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:32:49
Soft, soft, soft goal again.
Phil Wood
73 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:33:57
Well done Tom Davies. Excellent game.
Chris Williams
74 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:37:01
Agreed Phil. He played well
Bill Fairfield
75 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:44:31
All guns blazing then back into our shell
Alex Gray
76 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:52:34
Bar two early second half attacks we've created absolutely nothing and been second best. Theyre poor at the back and we didnt put any pressure on them.
Kevin Prytherch
77 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:54:04
Bit baffled by the subs again

We had them, but take off our most creative player. Unless he was injured it just didn't make sense.

Davies was the midfielder who was tackling, intercepting and always looking to go forwards, but was the one hooked again.

If Davies is off, then the only other player likely to turn over possession is Doucoure, then he's off, and Sigurdsson drops into midfield.

Olsen has proved over the last 2 games that he is not the answer and Josh King looks like the player half of us feared he would be.

Will those posters who criticised those being negative at the start of the Leeds game come out again???

Kevin Prytherch
78 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:55:11
I take it all back
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Chris Williams
79 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:56:15
Well well

3 chances 3 goals

Thomas Richards
80 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:56:58
GET IN YOU FUCKIN BEAUTY
Bill Fairfield
81 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:57:24
Got to be happy with that 😂
Kevin Dyer
82 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:57:27
Get in you beautiful Blue Men!!!!!!!!
Phil Smith
83 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:57:57
He hits that barn door! Unbelievable scenes!!
Alex Gray
84 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:58:11
Take back what I said we're world class!! Get in!!!!
Kieran Kinsella
85 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:58:15
I said it would be a (bore) draw yesterday on here
Ian Hodgson
86 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:00:00
Well slap my arse and call me Wanda
Michael Kenrick
87 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:01:16
Another crazy game in this crazy Premier League season.
Tony Hill
88 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:01:48
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I don't care about the errors, that is a vital result. Fucking wonderful. Davies and Gomes were outstanding.
Joe McMahon
89 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:02:08
I can't reach Ian. I gave up at HT, came back at 2 2. Then the end, wowser we never get late goals wondersba!!
Paul Jones
90 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:03:01
Phil Smith @71.

Olsen IS the answer.

The question being "Who makes Pickford look good at this club?"

Gerry Ring
91 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:03:42
Nobody but D.C.L. would have scored that goal. If Carlsberg did commitment, bravery & hardwork it would be DCL. Awesome 👏 👏
Phil Smith
92 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:04:02
Think we deserved a point there. King has to start instead of Richy. Other than that, great starting team. Davis, Decoure and Gomes (yes, even Gomes) playing very well in midfield. Bring on the next game.
Ian Hodgson
93 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:04:14
It's alright Joe I will get the Mrs to do it later.
Si Cooper
94 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:04:25
“Everton could not threaten again in 4 minutes of added time and had to accept defeat after coming back into the game well.”
Quick rewrite of the OP please!
Thought tactics were okay but execution was poor for most of game. Can't really complain when getting a point when a defeat would probably be fairer. Maybe something for always looking to have attacking options throughout the game.
Both goalkeeper's putting Pickford's lack of perfection into perspective.
Stephen Brown
95 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:04:41
Pure joy there at the end !! Great spirit shown
Tony Hill
96 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:05:15
I thought King did very well when he came on, obviously winning the free kick that mattered.

If I wasn't so old I would stay up all night drinking after that.

Justin Doone
97 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:05:33
Olsen isn't too blame for the goals. He hadn't made mistakes. Utd 3 goals into far corner, honestly who can save them?

King wanted to drive forwards. Wins free kick for equaliser.

Guess what happens when you put a fee kick into dangerous areas.

Stop playing backwards, will we learn?

Chris Mason
98 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:06:07
Hi Kevin. Don't you look silly.

Positivity trumps negative bleating every time.

Up the Blues!

Andrew Clare
99 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:06:47
Well done Everton! Fantastic!
Neil Lawson
100 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:06:58
Lots of comments possible, but just one from me. Tom Davies excellent throughout. You doubters and critics, please give him proper credit.
Fran Mitchell
101 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:07:43
Amazing second half. Just amazing. Well done Carlo and the team.

We are far from perfect, but this, finally, is a team we can be proud to support.

Bring on the rest of the season.

Thomas Richards
102 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:08:44
Christine.

He earned his biccies 👍

Darren Hind
103 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:09:13
Some draws feel like a win. Manager threw the towel in...but the players kept on fighting.

Made up

Jay Woods
104 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:10:40
The old backwards passing habit needs to be purged from this team and then results like this might be transformed from plucky draws into wins.

And Richarlison... how ineffective has he become? He's worse than Iwobi now, offers us the square root of zero in attack. We'd be better trying that new French kid or Digne in his position.

Thomas Richards
105 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:11:17
😂😂😂😂
Jerome Shields
106 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:11:28
Tom Davies Motm.
Alex Winstanley
107 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:12:42
Totally agree Neil (100), Davies best player in blue tonight!
Phil Wood
108 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:12:50
Chaos ensues in the Living room.
Like a win.
Joe McMahon
109 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:13:26
Darren, why did manager throw in the towel? Just be happy with the late goal dude.
Thomas Richards
110 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:13:50
DCL,

"The manager changed the system and we got the point"

Do me.

Kevin Molloy
111 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:14:31
as Jim Beglin so rightly said in the last minute 'United have deserved it. they just need to keep grinding out these wins and keeping up the pressure on Manchester City'
what wins are they Jim, you whopper
Joe McMahon
112 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:14:49
Yup agree with comment above, Tom's best game for us.
Brian Wilkinson
113 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:16:03
Not been a fan of Davies, but the lad put a shift in tonight for sure, as did Gomes.

Surprising what you can achieve, when you play the ball forward, first half cost us big time, with not playing those forward balls.

Tony Abrahams
114 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:16:09
United are a top team, but I was still left frustrated because I thought Lewin, had the beating of their defenders all night, and it was the game were he needed a partner.

Some good performances, some not so good, but we've got some good players, and also some brave players now, I just can't wait until we get a few more!

Ronald Christopher
115 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:17:11
Well done but we need to realise our limitations. Weak positional play, sub- standard off the ball running and lacking creativity.
Paul Birmingham
116 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:17:30
Fekkn Beglin, he's another RS bias fraud.. Hopefully a stepping stone, tonight for this Everton squad.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

117 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:17:43
'Olsen not to blame for the goals. He hasn't made mistakes.'

Give yer head a shake, Justin.

If that was Pickford letting in those goals, he would be getting slaughtered.

Still puzzled by the repeated substitution of Tom Davies 3/4's into the game when he is playing well and not showing signs of flagging. Excellent first half. Creator in chief for our 1st goal. My Blue MoTM.

Doucoure, so poor in the 1st half, scored and created our equalising goals. James, another who was very poor in the 1st half, a calm finish.

Having subbed out Tom it was a surprise to then see Doucoure also leave the pitch. Pretty adventurous for Carlo who by the final whistle had Richy, King, DCL, Iwobi, Siggy and Gomes on the pitch, charging the defence effectively to cover the defence and midfield.

Josh King, as he did at Leeds, lost the ball on every play apart from the one when he linked up with Digne at the end to win us a free kick from which Dom scored. He is far from ready to win a starting berth over Richy, who gradually continues to show signs of improvement.

Once again, the team showing it doesn't fold easily against tough opposition away from home.

An excellent point, taking everything into consideration.

Ian Hodgson
118 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:17:56
Can't wait to go into work tomorrow and look at all the Mancs with faces like slapped asses.
Bristol born blue and would not support any other team in the world.
Peter Dodds
119 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:19:28
Unbridled joy at the end there! Get in. Agree Tom was MoTM and shouldn't have been taken off. Totally unfair to say he was at fault for Fernandes' goal - he had to stay where he was to mark another MU player - not sure who it was. Keane lost Cavani, I'm afraid to say, for the first - what a basic error. I thought Olsen made some good saves and was OK bar the one slip for the goal, though he's hardly solely to blame given McTominey was completely surrounded by four (4!) blue shirts. Agree that Gary Neville saw it right - not quite brave enough to pass it through MU's press, with the result that the ball too often went backwards. When we did manage it, though, I thought we looked good. Onwards to a cup win and then three points against Fulham.
Jason Wilkinson
120 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:19:55
Cant knock the effort from our midfield tonight. Davies' energy and calmness on the ball was superb. Gomes played well. Some neat and tidy play to keep the ball. Doucouré must have covered every blade of grass. The only poor performance came from Holgate. Olsen had little chance with their first. The second was an inspirational finish but he should have been closed down. The third was poor defending and an unfortunate slip. DCL should have scored on the stroke of half time. I was surprised Mina didnt play. Maybe he looked a little jaded after the amount of work he did at Leeds.
Kevin Molloy
121 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:20:33
Cut your losses Darren. Surely it must be clear by now that this guy is the real deal. You are ruining this run for yourself by needing to back up your previous. Admit your sin, and throw yourself upon the mercy of Carlo
Barry Rathbone
122 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:20:40
That is a fabulous result.

Tuned in at 2 nil and knew we had lost, checked later and it was 2-2!!

Short term joy tainted with a nagging suspicion of a 3-2 loss incoming but my god, no.

Did yourselves and us proud, lads, well in. Chuffed to bits

Kevin Prytherch
123 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:20:41
Chris 98 - we don't see you unless we do something. Would you have posted if we hadn't have equalised???

I stand by the post that was literally 30
Seconds before the equaliser. We did nothing after James and Davies went off. I was frustrated with the amount of sideways passing from Gomes. Davies was brilliant and James, although maybe not as good as some games, was still a danger. Olsens triple save against Leeds was a direct result of his error and there was another today.

Made up with the draw, but other than the first 15/20 minutes of each half, we were poor.

On a positive note, Glad the DCL scored again, he also give brilliant interviews, and I think Davies is Allans natural successor.

Paul Birmingham
125 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:21:58
Tom D, two assists and well done.

The belief in the second half if shown in the first half and I'd say Everton were more efficient in terms of possession and chances taken.

But too much standing off and not enough stopping the cross in the first half.

Basics, to improve, but character and guts to see this game out to the last kick..

Lessons to learn and build on.

Enjoy the night!

Liam Mogan
126 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:22:38
https://mobile.twitter.com/chloemcnulty31/status/1358174011012874243?s=08
Brian Hennessy
127 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:31:05
That felt like a win against a good United team. Great spirit by the lads. Tom Davies was excellent and my MOTM. Gomes is now consistently playing well.

Less said about Holgate the better.

Brian Hennessy
128 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:31:17
That felt like a win against a good United team. Great spirit by the lads. Tom Davies was excellent and my MOTM. Gomes is now consistently playing well.

Less said about Holgate the better.

Brent Stephens
129 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:33:41
"Some draws feel like a win. Manager threw the towel in...but the players kept on fighting."

Manager threw the towel in! When and what evidence for that?

Chris Williams
130 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:34:41
Bit by bit it seems we make a bit of progress. Carlo said we were a little bit shy in the first half, but more progressive in he second half.

That result pleases me massively.

3 chances 3 goals

Kieran Kinsella
131 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:34:53
I move to impeach Darren Hinds for inciting fans with fake news
Kieran Kinsella
132 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:34:57
I move to impeach Darren Hinds for inciting fans with fake news
Jamie Crowley
133 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:35:26
Liam that is brilliant!!!

Does anyone have a link to a clip showing Godfrey shouting?? If you do, for God's sakes share.

Brilliant game. What a finish. Lots to be said about improvement, but fuck that, just enjoy that point earned on the last kick of the game.

Tony Abrahams
134 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:36:06
Made up Tom Davies is getting plaudits, but I don't know how anyone could look past our centre forward tonight. Lewin should have definitely scored another, but I thought that was an absolutely brilliant display in how to lead the line👏👏
Paul Birmingham
135 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:36:19
Just watching, MOTD, and it's some take by DCL, for the equaliser, and if he'd scored that chance in the first half.
Dave Abrahams
136 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:36:32
Got to be happy with that result and the way we kept going, never thought we would come back at half time but there seemed more energy until we got level and then let United dominate them for long periods until we started going forward with time running out and pulled a great goal out of the hat and forced a good goal and tons of happiness and joy onto us, wish the Everton hordes would have been there to celebrate that equaliser, the two Yanks on live forum led the madness and wild acclaim when we scored, well done Jamie and Mike you crazy pair of fuckin' nutters, love yis!!
Oliver Molloy
137 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:36:48
Jay Wood @ 117

Are you saying Olsen was at fault for all three goals?

Thomas Richards
138 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:38:56
Out of order Kieran.

The manager clearly threw the towel in.

Ian Edwards
139 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:40:03
Great to snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat but still a lot of work to do. The midfield is too deep. Gomes just can't pass the ball forward. He slows everything. Sideways, backwards all the time. Defence too deep from set pieces as well.
Jay Woods
140 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:40:54
Jay Wood... What "signs of improvement" from Richarlison? I could be wrong, of course, but I only noticed more of the now standard issue crapness from him.
Paul Birmingham
141 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:41:20
Get it right on Wednesday and there's a long way to go in this season, for Everton, great spirit by all Evertonians, and shown by the management team after the match.

Dan Coultas
142 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:41:48
Totally agree on the Davies praise, but equally Gomes looks like a totally different player to 2020, absolutely ran the show today and it was a beautiful thing to see.
Carl Manning
143 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:42:27
Manager threw the towel 8'in? The manger that made attacking subs and sent the keeper up for a free kick? Another clown
Craig Walker
144 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:42:35
I've given Tom Davies stick in the past but I thought he was our best player tonight. He broke things up and actually drove us forward. Pleased for the lad. Hope he keeps proving me wrong.

We rode our luck but deserved a draw in the end.

One of those draws which feels like a win.

I thought Gary Neville was a disgrace tonight. It's ridiculous that he gets to commentate on Man United games. Another pundit who changes his opinions based on how the game has just gone.

Well done Blues!

Ian Edwards
145 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:42:58
Gomes ran the show? He should have been hooked at half time. Dreadful player
Jamie Crowley
146 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:43:03
I've now watched, "Look at Godfrey shouting 'Fuck off!'" like 50 times.

Hilarious.

Did anyone see who Ben FO'd?

Mike Keating
147 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:43:23
Brian @ 128 agree 100%
Davies had a great game and Gomes not far behind.
Iwobi disappointing and King not fit yet as far as I can see.
Bring on Shitteh and the RS
UTFT
Tony Abrahams
148 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:43:25
Shy was the correct word Chris, because we started crisp and sharp, and the only time we were giving the ball away early in the game, was when players were trying to give stupid little nothing passes, when our good play had freed them up, to “run forward” with the ball.

Frank Wade
149 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:43:31
Looking at the Fernandes goal again on MotD. No way Tom Davies can be blamed. He first went to block the cross and couldn't get back for the shot. He had to hold his ground as there was a player inside right who could have been played in. Had a great game. Hope injury is just a dead leg as it looked.
Jeff Armstrong
150 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:43:55
Thomas # 138, enjoy the result, forget your agenda for a bit.
Robert Tressell
151 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:44:06
Sensational end. Lot of positives. Takes a hell of a lot of character to come back twice like that.

The worst bit of goalkeeping in that match was De Gea dropping the ball at Doucoure's feet.

Holgate got a friendly word from Carlo because we left him exposed and out of position. He'll have better games. He's not crap and I'm sure Carlo will be telling him that.

Turns out Davies isn't crap either which is good.

Terry Farrell
152 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:45:32
great comeback and we need to get the ball forward quicker now as a rule. that 2nd half is how to play the derby. slow CBs hate being turned. Davies played great well done Tom. Big fan of Holgate but he dived in too many times and gave away a stupid freekick for their 3rd goal. made up Gomes has found his form and energy. thought he might struggle today after only 2 days rest but he did well again. Dom did the business again. coyb. Carlo is God
Colin Glassar
153 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:46:03
Just imagine how good we could be if we had a decent MF. Carlo is doing miracles with some of those players eg Gomes, Davies, Sigurdsson etc... I won't include Iwobi as he's a lost cause.

2-3 good MF players and next season we could challenge for a top 4 place.

Graham Hammond
154 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:47:05
Pleased for Tom Davies tonight, he played well and showed ability in a tough game and under challenging circumstances, a bit harsh on him to be hooked so early truth be told. Football is often all about opinions but for me, Tom stuck two fingers up to many on TW who have run the guy down, he is a great player to have in and around the squad. Well done also to Dom, he kept going after that bad miss, I just felt we should have played a little bit more directly tonight and gambled a little bit more than we did with balls over to challenge their CB pairing, I do feel they were there for the taking with a little bit more positivity, belief and directness.
Jamie Crowley
155 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:47:31
Robert @ 151 -

I think every single post from now until the next game should end with:

Takes a hell of a lot of character to come back twice like that.

That's the real story tonight. We've cried for passion and effort. We got it in excess this evening. Long may it continue.

Mike Keating
156 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:48:18
Ian @ 139 you mus5 have been watching a different game - Gomes was excellent tonight
Michael Lynch
157 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:48:23
Fantastic point at the death - and made up for DCL. Tom Davies was good tonight. Not sure what people are seeing in Josh King - he looks championship level to me, but maybe he'll get up to speed in time.

Generally a frustrating night but with some Massive high points.

Tony Hill
158 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:48:38
Very true, Dan @142. He's looking great at the moment. Some of his touches and general control today were lovely. After all he's been through, it's a treat.

I wouldn't have chosen Davies today but he's another one who is transformed and who has had a tough time of it.

Ancelotti does seem to be able to rebuild players' performances and confidence. Next stop Richarlison.

Thomas Richards
159 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:50:29
Jeff,

You know what you can do with your crap agenda talk?

Jeff Armstrong
160 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:54:22
Gavin Johnson
161 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:57:59
What a rollercoaster of a game. It looked like a potential 3 or 4 - 0 at half time, and we'd given them too much respect. No doubt Carlo gave them a roasting at half time and we charged forward in the 2nd half we showed how fragile United are at the back.

Gutted with Olsen's error to make it 3-2 after we'd worked hard to get back in the game. But what a wonderful end to the game and we got a goal that felt more like a winner.

Special mention for Gomes tonight. He is definitely playing better and looking more like the player he was in his first season with us.

Will Mabon
162 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:58:14
Jamie, 146;


A miffed manc millennial. Pure gold.

Paul Birmingham
163 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:59:19
For me Gomes, will never be the player he was.

Now, he has no stomach for the real battles on the pitch, and whilst a good passer, he's only a good passer when given the time.

He never closes down, and can't tackle. Yes he's improved by a huge amount the last month but he's not contributing enough in every match. He's a vintage player, in style but he should be shredding the pitch rather than plodding around the park..

That's two, players Gomes, Siggy, whom, you'll never get a 97 minute tune, in any first team match.

But what a good night for Everton, the beers are going down well.

I've wanted him to succeed but for me he's a squad and bench starter at best, in my view.

This league needs a team with players available, switched on and charged for 97 mins, in my view this is Tom Ds, best season, and he's showing more belief and guile..

Long may it last. All players hit dips, Toms got guts, and I'm made up, and he's shown it. He's getting better, and I hope it carry's on.

Sean O’Hanlon
164 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:59:28
Olsen clearly lost his footing with their third goal.
Fernandes goal unstoppable, and Keane should have done better defending the Cavani header.
Would have Olsen any time over Pickford.
Steve Hogan
165 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:59:42
Thrilled with the point, but, Carlo is going to have to address the situation with Richarlison sooner rather than later.

He's a shadow of the player he was last year, and something is clearly wrong. All the joy has gone from his game and he just look's unhappy. At the moment DCL is shouldering ALL the attacking threat virtually every game.

Although Carlo is starting him in every game, his contribution is getting less and less.

Derek Knox
166 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:00:46
I have to agree about Goldilocks being almost transformed today, I was fearing the worst when I saw his name on the team sheet but in fairness to the lad he put in a good shift, so I retract my criticism for the time being. Don't like to single players out god or bad, but I felt both Holgate and Keane (uncharacteristically for him who has latterly been a rock in defence) were the worst culprits today for letting the side down.

Basically at half time, I was thinking how many can we prevent the damage limitation by, but 2 goals for us in 3 minutes changed all that and on another day we could/should have won that. We need everyone at the same races from now on, this rotation is all well and good if the players, respond well and send a message to the Manager, ' you can't drop me after that performance ' but no we never seem to get that for some reason.

Anyway, only one point gained but it makes those games in hand all the more important to try and get maximum points out of, not easy with City or Villa, but not impossible either.

Paul A Smith
167 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:00:57
In sitting back we can all see it is a tactic but it doesn't mean the manager doesn't want positivity on the ball.

I think almost every game has saw an image of Ancelotti telling players to push out and be more clinical on the ball.

Our subs were positive and changed a defeat into a draw. King played his part and although he was rusty and sloppy he was direct. He went at them.

In commentry they noticed how negative our midfielders were in the ball and how it made our game plan difficult.

If we had kept belief at 2-2 it was ours to lose. Thank god we didn't give in.

Don Alexander
168 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:03:12
There's truth based on facts and then there's "fake truth" based on mere self-regarding churlish opinion. Most of us comment on the former thankfully, whilst a few, sharing the initials by which anyone called Richard Head is colloquially known to his mate, go on and on with their own vindictiveness towards the manager.

On the match I thought we played as we should play at the start of the second half, I don't think a mere slip of the foot is something to lambast Robin about, and I thought Andre was MoTM.

A point when not playing well, against a team sitting above us, will do for me.

Thomas Richards
169 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:03:21
Jeff 102

That will do.

Thanks.

No agenda from me.
Look back on my posts.Nothing but courtesy and respect.

Exception is for those who give me stick for no apparent reason.
Absolutely bound to get it back.

Take 10 minutes, check back on my posts.
I treat fellow ToffeeWebbers with the utmost respect.

Unless. . .

Peter Mills
170 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:04:07
I thought we were a bit fortunate to get a point out of the game, but I'll take it all day long for the team's refusal to give in. And because the last couple of seconds were brilliant.

Michael Keane has played well this season because he has played very deep. He has had to, because he is very slow on the turn. Unfortunately, he has another fundamental weakness that we saw often last season, and again tonight, his inclination to let floating crosses to the far post drift over his head.

There's not a lot between us and Man Utd man for man, except they have 2 top class players in Cavani and Fernandes. The goal from Fernandes was superb but, boy, what a lot of space he had. And I wouldn't put the blame on the swinging leg of Tom Davies, rather I would place it on the invisible leg of the covering midfield player who wasn't there.

Overall, apart from the opening 25 minutes and the first 10 of the 2nd half, we lacked belief. But that will come. A decent day.

Will Mabon
171 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:04:33
To see the battling to the end was almost worth the pain of thinking we'd lost it. Should do the players a world of good.

Davies and Gomes great tonight. Olsen just unlucky really, was inches from it and it was almost in the corner (the header). Fantastic control & strike by James that will probably be overlooked in the Fernandez fest. Not everyone was on top form, but finally, the team spirit almost was.

Tom Bowers
172 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:04:37
Well until that Doucoure goal everyone was getting panned again. Then we are suddenly 2-2 and wonderful.

Have to say I don't like Holgate as a full-back' He didn't impress me at West Brom playing there. He is only a stopgap centre back and should not be used unless Keane, Mina or Godfrey is unavailable.

Jeff Armstrong
173 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:04:50
Pickford or Olsen? Think I'll go for Virginia, but would really like Pope.
Christy Ring
174 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:13:10
I thought Davies was immense tonight, and Ian Edwards slating Gomes? Unbelievable
Jeff Armstrong
175 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:13:53
Thomas 169,
What are you on about?

Jeff 102 That will do.

Thomas Richards
102 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:08:44

Flag this comment Christine.
He earned his biccies 👍

Paul A Smith
176 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:14:18
I wish this new trend of picking Richarlison's character out would do one..you know them pricks across the park have the stroppiest baby in Mane and they don't mention it.

We have got fans waiting to see Richarlison wave his arms or sulk so the famous "strop" can be talked up.

The lad keeps going and going and although his goals have dried up, he is still one of our most important outlets.

Who gives a shite about his personality when he is still working his arse off? I'd worry about that when he doesn't put a shift in.

The work he does off the ball is fantastic always and I am glad commentry picked up on this too.

The lad never downs tools hes desperate to score and he cracks up when its not going right for him. Thats the personality I want to see.

Thomas Richards
177 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:16:28
Had a good game, both of them Christy.

Gomes slowly but surely making his way back after the naughty injury.
Tom should have closed Fernàndez down quicker, he was covering Dignes space but Digne got back in.
That was his only mistake tonight.
Made up for the kid.

Peter Warren
178 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:17:39
Thought back four and keeper were poor / bansg average at best with our keeper and holgate awful.

As for the tactics I actually thought they were spot on / lack of confidence in first half / opportunities to get at them (I thought Man U were v poor first half so was frustrated). Fernandes is class.

Manager tweaked it at beginning of second half then tried to change it to get chances and we did - Digne and Richarlison both wasting good opportunities.

Fantastic goal at end (he missed a sitter first half).

I thought tactics were good and changed throughout. Interestingly predicted goal scoring opportunities we apparently had better - 1.5 to their 1.48. That says to me after their goals were a) bad marking; b) class and c) mistake that bit bad tactics although conversely they gifted us many opportunities. They have some better players being Greenwood, Fernandes and Cavani. I hope we can sign some more talented forwards.

Jeff Armstrong
179 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:17:43
Paul A, agree, Richie was great tonight, especially first half.
Thomas Richards
180 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:19:35
Jeff,

Apologies, got the post number wrong.
Sentiment remains the same.
No agenda whatsoever from me.

Colin Glassar
181 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:19:43
We all know we still need a few more quality players. Players who can run with the ball, pass forward, and create anxiety in the other team.

Carlo is doing a great job with what he has. I hope there's some money for the summer. So let's enjoy this and look forward to the future.

Gavin Johnson
182 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:19:47
I think Mina would have dealt with Rashford's cross. Defending balls from crosses are what he excels at, and he would partner Godfrey in the next game for me.
Paul Birmingham
183 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:19:59
Peter@170, agreed.
Jason Wilkinson
184 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:21:47
Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition. United have some outstanding players. I was expecting us to have to chase the ball for long periods. All three of their goals were preventable in one way or another. They will probably think the same way about ours. Having watched the goals again I don't think Olsen had much chance with the first two. Coleman might have been a better option than Holgate at right back. Mina might have commanded the balls into the box better. I cant knock Richarlison for effort but he is woefully short on confidence. Josh King doesnt look match sharp just yet. I expect Carlo will give him more minutes v Spurs.
John Davies
185 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:22:37
Tom #172. I'm with you on Mason Holgate. He's actually getting worse at RB each game and Mina, Godfrey & Keane are all better CB's than him. Decent back up, as you say.
Rob Halligan
186 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:24:53
Just a word on the referee, Jon Moss. What an absolute disgrace of a referee. It just seemed like every time we put a challenge in he was blowing for a foul. He clearly set his stall out, with the challenge by Tom Davies when Tom clearly won the ball off Fernandes in the first few minutes, only to blow for a foul. Even the foul for their third looked harsh to me.

Still WTF, a great comeback in the second half. Tom Davies was immense, but was he taken off with an injury? Gomes again stood out, and I think Olsen deserves a run in-between the sticks. And Ben Godfrey, is he from the planet Krypton? Clark Kent eat yer heart out!!

Paul A Smith
187 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:25:53
I honestly thought Olsen was shite for their last 2 goals. Yes Davies didn't get in Fernandes face when he should have but how keepers get beat by shots like that is beyond me.

The header. Wow he thought he was Elvis or something there. I noticed his lack of leg flexibility in his first away game.

Good shot stopper again..we still need a keeper. Imagine where we would be without goal keeping errors this season?

John Keating
188 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:27:17
Great point.
Had we had a bit more self belief after equalising at 2-2 we had them on the ropes and might have got a third at that stage
Davies MOM
Thought the tactics were right but for some reason in the first half when we had the ball we never looked up and forward
Fran Mitchell
189 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:27:21
Is Gomes teh most improved player of 2021? He seems a totally different player.

He is running more, he is actually making decent tackles and less absurdly easy fouls, he's passing well, he's controlling the ball well and keeping possession.

He is seriously improved from the poor imitation of the previus 18 months.

And yes, Davies is getting better and better and finally seems to be becoming a consistent performer. And he is still very young and could become a very good player.

Our right side is still our weakness. Holgate simply isn't a ful back, his positioning isn't great, and he isn't quite fast enough for a full back. He's a quality centre half, but only a stop gap at full back.

Graham Hammond
190 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:29:54
I am a little bit surprised to read all the praise being heaped on Gomes tonight, I think Paul Birmingham's assessment of both Andre and Tom in his post earlier (#163) pretty much nailed it for me. Tom did more tackling and closing down and his desire to drive forwards and his forward passing were generally very good, to my eyes he was far superior and much more effective than Andre.
Thomas Richards
191 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:31:19
Yet another two bottle day comes to an end.

Thrilled with the Blues tonight.
Have a good night fellow Evertonians.

Danny Broderick
192 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:31:35
I am made up with this point. I don't think U tied had to work too hard for their goals. Great cross for the first - but Keane lost his man. The second was a worldie. And for the third one, McTominay won the header when surrounded by at least 4 Blues.

But what pleased me the most was our approach second half. The first half hadn't been dramatically wrong. But we did need to have a bit more of a go second half. This we did, and got back level. United's third was a sickener, but again the lads kept going u til the last whistle. It's an un-Everton like result.

I thought the manager picked a great line up. Davies was brilliant again, this type of match suits him. Doucoure and Gomes played well. And our front 3 were always a threat.

That is a very strong lineup for me. Allan, Mina and Iwobi might have a claim to a first team place. Possibly Pickford also. But once again, James has dispelled any comparisons with Sigurdsson. If we'd played Sigurdsson today, we'd be complaining about another loss and another invisible performance. We have to keep picking our strongest teams where possible. Mina might come in for Holgate next time, with Godfrey moving to right back. Otherwise, the team picks itself. Well done Carlo!

Paul Birmingham
193 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:33:00
Paul @176, a good point,.

I'd say collectively, and stats will prove, otherwise, but defensively Richarlison and DCL, are doing vital and critical defensive mainly aerial challenges and clearances, than Everton's core defenders.

Great defensive virtues, but these lads are scratching out truffles in view of the minimal chances, created each game, so fair play.

Good team spirit.

Ciarán McGlone
194 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:34:03
The best team drew..

Gomes and Davies played well.. but generally we were second best everywhere.

One word about Holgate... I like arrogance on the pitch, but not when it's greater than your contribution and ability.

Stop chewing fucking gum.

Jeff Armstrong
195 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:34:53
For me at the moment, after watching the last few performances,it should be Godfrey at right back, Mina and Keane centre backs, and Digne left back, that would be our strongest defence, Holgate is miles away lately, he just seems so switched off, cannot pass a ball, constantly turns backwards, lots of mistakes in him, can't bomb forward, or cross a ball, he's not a right back anyway, and it shows.
Godfrey isn't either, but he'd do a far better job than Holgate.
Stuart Sharp
196 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:40:23
Agree that Gomes is much improved, disagree that he was as good as some are claiming. Ian E is being very harsh overall, but I can see what he means about speed of thought/passing. Our forwards made a lot of runs for nothing first half. Gomes rarely found them, James was unusually out of tune... we are slow in transition for a counter attacking side. But hey, hard to be anything other than very happy. Been a while since I celebrated a goal like that.
Brian Wilkinson
197 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:40:48
Sorry to disagree Jeff, we started Godfrey as right back for his first few games and for me he was no better than others we played there, however as centre half or left back, Godfrey is a much better player.

He has been one of our better defenders, by all means slot other players out of position, but we need to keep Godfrey in his strongest position.

Jeff Armstrong
198 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:41:30
Tom Davies was fantastic tonight MotM performance.
John Raftery
199 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:46:44
Olsen's error for the third goal was far from the worst error by an Everton goalkeeper this season. It may though have served to reinforce to Carlo the need to find a top class custodian in the next year or so. Easier said than done.

While there were flaws in the performance of the team and some individuals, it was great to see the team deliver another spirited away performance. Four points from successive away matches at Elland Road and Old Trafford inside four days is an excellent return.

Tom Davies is proving to be a very capable member of the midfield squad in the same way that Kevin Richardson and Alan Harper were in the 1980s.

Jeff Armstrong
200 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:46:49
Brian197, agreed, but that was months ago, Ben Godfrey is a totally different player to back then, he is full of confidence and now knows he is better than some at the club, he would certainly do a much better job than both Holgate and Coleman are currently doing at RB, imho.
Gavin Johnson
201 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:47:56
Jeff. Davies did have a good game but MotM is a bit a stretch for me. I thought Gomes played better than him but Doucoure would be MotM for me.

Davies, can have a place in the squad, he's still young and will be on relatively low wages, but we have to lose Delph in the summer cos we still have too many midfield players who aren't at top 6 level.

Roger Helm
202 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:49:43
I would be interested to see Tom's stats tonight. It seems he was tackling, intercepting, passing forward, everything. He was my MotM.

Olsen had no chance with any of the goals. The slip was unfortunate but I doubt Pickford with his short arms would have reached it either. He made some good saves- only the needless corner he conceded was an error. But all goalkeepers make errors.

To me it seemed like a win, gaining a point at the death against a good Man U side. It showed great character to come back from being battered 2-0. We look so much better this term.

Jeff Armstrong
203 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:54:34
4 points from the last 2 games!

Who would have predicted that last weekend after the Newcastle performance?

No-one, that's who!

Paul Hewitt
204 Posted 06/02/2021 at 23:57:23
Olsen slipped on the third goal, hardly an error.
Mark Murphy
205 Posted 06/02/2021 at 00:00:43
Thomas - 2 bottles of what?? I've run out of beers!
UTFT!
Mike Connolly
206 Posted 06/02/2021 at 00:03:55
Jamie Crowley,

That's the first thing I notice when we were celebrating Calvert-Lewin's goal. I'm surprised the commenter did not apologise for the bad langue. However, maybe I missed the lip-read lady in the corner of the screen apologizing!

Jeff Armstrong
207 Posted 06/02/2021 at 00:04:33
I think to slip, as a professional, is poor, but to slip and lose a goal is rank bad play; you've had all day to choose your studs, and the first half to assess your choices. After what went on at Elland Rd, what, 3 days ago? – a slip was the last thing that should have happened tonight.
Paul A Smith
208 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:07:00
Doucouré got a goal, an assist and was a willing runner for the whole game. How can anyone else be MotM?
Mark Murphy
209 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:07:39
Something tells me Holgate's a centre-half... So what do we do with him?
Keane and Godfrey are my first choice though I think the future is Branthwaite and Godfrey. Do we try to keep Mason as back-up?
I think he's great but not better than Godfrey...
Paul A Smith
210 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:13:56
Everyone was screaming last week when Holgate wasn't right-back. Tonight, he is the worst right-back ever.

For fans who look at the bigger picture, he's not a natural right-back and not a great presence at centre-half.

The lad has done well at right-back with his limitations and he's bound to have shaky performances.

Overall, I think him and Godfrey have done really well in full-back roles and they have allowed us to rest both centre-halves without getting beat.

The manager's nouse for rotation has been great so far.

Gavin Johnson
211 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:16:18
Paul, unfortunately a slip like that goes down as a mistake for a goalkeeper. I'd still keep Olsen but we have to lose Pickford, even if it's a loss on what we paid this summer.

Rui Silva has been one of La Liga's best performing keepers for the last 2 seasons. He's 26 and will be on a free. I can see Barca getting him now they're skint though.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

212 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:21:36
Jamie C. I presume you are referring to this goal celebration following Dom's last-kick goal:

Ben Godfrey Giving Someone 'The Look'...and Two Words

The most fundamental of lip-reading skills required.

Mike Corcoran
213 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:28:28
When Allan gets back it might be Tom who would prove his best partner at CM. I actually think Tom holds position better which would leave Allan to fly around as he does.
David Cooper
214 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:35:58
Fergie time reversed! Solskjaer wanting to know where 4 minutes of injury time came from! Actually 5 minutes plus when Calvert-Lewin equalizes. Paul Scholes looks like he's going to cry!

Jim Beglin praising Man Utd's win just before the goal goes in! What goes around comes around!

Jamie Crowley
215 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:48:25
Aaaannndddd -

I just saw it. The man-god that is Ben Godfrey, celebrating at the corner flag telling the Man Utd players screaming for VAR and offside to Fuck Off!

I officially love that man.

Also, I realize we didn't bathe ourselves in glory overall with our play, but watching the highlights, we were damn good in stretches!

We kind of beat ourselves tonight.

Man Utd's goals were all suspect. Keane absolutely was marking Cavani and should have never, ever let that ball go over his head. The second goal, Olsen completely at fault, there's no way that ball should ever go in if he's positioned correctly / has any cat-like reflexive response you'd expect out of any professional keeper. And the third? Honestly how in the hell did McTominay ever even get the back of his head on that ball? He was swarmed by four players!

We did what we do well. We sat deep and countered. We punished ourselves with two individual defensive errors. When you sit deep and counter, you can't abide mental lapses defensively, you have to be rock solid. We weren't defensively solid this evening.

It was refreshing to see us counter with purpose and pace in the second half. We didn't counter at speed or with conviction in the first half, and it showed.

And all that criticism above, and we still got a draw, on the road, at Old Trafford, when we weren't at our best.

That's the sign of a winning team.

Jamie Crowley
216 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:51:18
Jay, I just saw your post - thank you for putting that up!

I saw the "Ben moment" on NBC Sports highlights here.

Will check your link next. I could never see that enough!

Thank you, sir!

Jamie Crowley
217 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:54:17
How brilliant is it that the 㿼-million sack of shit, Maguire, is the player that kept Dom onside?

Fuck off indeed!

Jack Ledwidge
218 Posted 07/02/2021 at 00:58:55
I'm just over the moon. A birthday yesterday (retirement age) and lot of drink. "Today," I said, "I'll take it easy." ... 3 cans Guinness pre-match.

In the front room watching the game; Herself in the other room, watching Davina McCall, some shite show.

Texting back-n-forward to son who's Man Utd. I leap up 94th minute off the sofa, spill the pint. Missus comes in with the dish cloth and I clean up. What a night.

On the Riojah now. Oh yes, oh yes. I'll sleep soundly.

Derek Thomas
219 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:12:21
Holgate seems to do ok in the 1 off 4 of a kind CBs thing, he gets 'settled' in there and starts thinging he's Cafu or somebody, well off the pace today, asleep for the first goal, not goalside, not attacking the ball, worst of all, not assuming the guy infront of you will miss it.

Pass, pass, pass, pass, across their box (when it doesn't go backwards) somebody shoot. Rodriguez did, 1 shot 1 goal, Fernandes, 1 shot, 1 goal.

Do / did we sit back...is it under orders, or did United push us back - a bit of both?

Hands on heart if we were offered a 3-3 draw we would've taken it.

What piles on the angst for many is the feeling that if we went more on the front foot we might score more.
What may worry Ancelotti, is the fact that we might concede more too.

Ernie Baywood
220 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:12:43
Great moment for us. It's only a point but things like that start to give you the belief you can do it again. And this team seem to need a bit of the belief that was so common early in the season.

I've been a defender of Pickford so I'm not going to hang Olsen for mistakes. They happen to everyone. The difference with Pickford is that he is a better player with the ball at his feet. That's why he should be first choice. It's just so obvious to me but I guess everyone sees things differently.

I thought we started brightly. Saw flashes of the old Richarlison, and then reverted to recent type sitting too deep. Part of that is that we simply had too many players who aren't that comfortable in possession. Olsen, Doucoure, Davies, Godfrey, Holgate, DCL - you wouldn't pick any of them in a five a side. Coupled with James' inconsistency and lack of defensive contribution it's a problem - it unbalances the side.

Davies gave his all and was a worthy MOTM. That run at the start of the second half was reminiscent of the original Tom. He used to get the ball and immediately look forward. We seem to forget that's his natural game since it appears to have been coached out of him in search of limiting his mistakes.

Fair play Doucoure too who finally started putting himself about in the second half. He's been coasting for a few weeks now and seemed to be getting away with it on here (maybe people too busy blaming Sigurdsson).

Shocking miss by DCL... but that's two in two. Keep that up and we'll excuse him.

David Pearl
221 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:24:00
Ernie, Pickford is for sure better with his feet and his reflexes much quicker too. He has to somehow control his... well you know.

As for the game. We had the players on the pitch to be able to take the game to Utd or sit and counter. That was difficult to do what with Carlo leaving Digne exposed, and that costing us 2 of the goals. I'd like to know how many players short we are before they start to believe in themselves and play on the front foot.

As ever, Gomes grows into games at his own pace. We have to carry James until he pounces. Holgate was crap but at least kept his head up.

Strange game we could either have won or lost 5-0. Anyway, onwards... and we are still in the fun zone

David Pearl
222 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:26:15
And happy birthday Jack!! You may as well keep drinking till Wednesday
Brendan McLaughlin
223 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:28:33
Jack #219
Happy birtthday and/or retirement
And Everton get a draw at Old Trafford
Darren H when you hit 40?
Per Stumo
224 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:41:16
Well chuffed with the draw, especially coming so late in "Fergie" time.

As for their goals, number one was mostly down to Keane ball-watching and letting Cavani get all the space he needed, with Holgate badly positioned as well. No fault of Olsen's for sure.

Number two was a beauty from the only other player on the pitch capable of out whining Richarlison. Tom did give him a bit too much space, but to be fair, Fernandes is a tricky player and also it wasn't his space to cover to begin with. Olsen not at fault for me, that shot was simply placed perfectly.

Number three came from a free-kick that shouldn't have been a free-kick, in my opinion. Holgate slides in and hooks both ball and man. As it was, the ball shouldn't have reached that US Marine looking reject in the first place, but Olsen looked to have it covered until he slipped. Unlucky, very unlucky.

As for our players, I thought Tom was our best player overall by a good margin. I can't believe someone giving him crap for not having ability. He's got plenty of ability, but you don't muck about like a Messi wannabe in a defensive position, do you? He was also clearly told to mark Fernandes. He ran, he tackled, he covered space (often space left open by Gomes, Doucouré, Holgate and even Digne), he carried the ball when he could, he faced the right way when he could, he was neat and tidy in possession and even had a few good long balls up field. Well done, Tom, I say.

Gomes also had a decent game I thought. Neat and tidy, clever passes and good vision going forward. A bit lacking defensively and, while he's decent at dispossessing players, he can't tackle worth a shit.

Richarlison again a massive disappointment. His heart's just not there anymore, and his confidence was shot to hell along with it. Sad, as you can tell he's got the quality still.

James was a massive disappointment in the first half. Bad or uninspired passes, lost the ball, failed to release Richarlison on several occasions. And my god is he slow! How on Earth can any professional footballer have less pace than an overweight 50-year-old Sunday League player? It baffles the mind.

Doucouré was sloppy throughout but covered a lot of ground as always. He's got that never-say-die attitude which I really like. Never stops running, even if he's playing a stinker. Did well for the goal and the assist.

Calvert-Lewin took his goal really well, but makes some really bad runs at times. It's almost like he prefers being close to defenders or behind them. Strange for such a fast player.

King did okay when he came on. Showed a bit of pace and trickery when squeezing past two Man Utd players to release Digne. And I think he got us the free-kick that led to the final goal?

Graham Hammond
225 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:42:33
I think on that showing then the time has now come to give Ben Godfrey another go at Right Back, Mason struggled there tonight and didn't really look happy or comfortable, sadly it is over for Seamus there, in my opinion, he will have the odd good game but the good days are lessening for him. I think if it doesn't really work out for Ben on the right then we need to bring in a Right Back in the Summer if we can, as I have said before, I like the look and the profile of Maitland Niles. We need more intensity and better application and better movement off the ball if we are to keep going forward.
Andrew Keatley
226 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:52:40
Much improved showings from Tom Davies and Andre Gomes, who both had good all-round games, including important tackles on the edge of our box as well as general neat and tidy distribution. Both passed forward successfully and aggressively at times, and hopefully they can build on their improvement, and how they both contributed to what turned out to be a good result.

I think criticism of Michael Keane for the Cavani goal is largely unfair. It is good movement from Cavani – who is still one of the best strikers in world football. If Cavani gets in front of Keane then that would leave Keane much more open to criticism.

Holgate can see Cavani and Keane, should know there is nobody beyond him, and that he can tuck in closer to help Keane with Cavani. The fact that Holgate is a centre-half by trade should make this adjustment even easier. Instead, Holgate ball-watches, and Cavani has a free header.

I am generally a pretty staunch supporter of Holgate but he had a very disappointing game today, and does not suit playing at right-back. He has a tendency to dive in – something that he had started to do less during his stint at centre-half – but he's back to making ill-judged lunges.

He gets too close and too square on to his opponent - Harvey Barnes exploited him in both games against Leicester with a couple of nut-megs – and he either needs to start making adjustments or he'll soon be sitting on the bench for a while as our 4th choice centre-half.

Back to Goodison for 3 big games over the next 10 days. Let's hope we can reverse our recent aversion to playing at home.

Ernie Baywood
227 Posted 07/02/2021 at 01:56:49
I'd hope we're looking at right-backs. For now, I'd have Seamus. At least he's actually a right-back.

Let Godfrey grow as a centre-back. He's not that comfortable on the ball but his pace gives us another way to play. We saw three times today what happens when you defend on your 6-yard box against good teams.

Watching the equaliser again, that was pretty brave by Calvert-Lewin. Compared to pretty cowardly by De Gea. Proper striker stuff. Get the ball in any way you can – ask questions later.

I'd love to know who Godfrey was mouthing at. Possibly just the United team in general calling for VAR for everything from handball to offside.

Alun Jones
228 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:01:56
Great result rather an overall great performance. I thought our full-backs were the problem defensively today, especially Mason Holgate, who was slow and off the pace and was the cause of the 3rd goal. I don't think he is a solution in this position and was certainly found out today by Man Utd.

Bill Watson
229 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:13:46
That must have been Davies's best game and Gomes is looking more and more like the player he was before his injury.

Ironic that Man Utd's attempt to slow the game with an added-time sub was the direct cause of our equaliser! The ref added the obligatory 30 seconds for a substitution and the sub fouled King on 94:15...

I don't think the sub actually touched the ball!!

Andy Mead
230 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:15:31
Loved the fact that Man Utd tried to use up all the added time with making a sub, only to have us score in that extra time. Karma!
David Pearl
231 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:20:46
Yes,Bill, and he received racist abuse on t'internet for it. We share this world with so many cretins

I remember them scoring a 96th-minute goal against us many years ago. We needed that point.

John Boon
232 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:49:18
I have watched Everton long enough to appreciate good football and a well-deserved point or three. However, I am even more delighted when we steal a win from Man Utd, and particularly from Liverpool.

In fact I am actually overjoyed when we steal an undeserved point. It makes up for 60 years of injustice.

I just don't have time to elaborate but I thought Gomes was outstanding. We can and will do better but, for me, that just made my day!!!

Steve Brown
233 Posted 07/02/2021 at 02:59:08
That was ace. I ran round the living room when Calvert-Lewin scored. My wife just looking at me, shaking her head and wondering when I plan to grow up.

Answer is never as far as the mighty Blues are concerned!

Alan J Thompson
234 Posted 07/02/2021 at 03:01:28
Just finished watching a recording of the game without knowing the score or having read any of the above.

It seemed again a game similar to those before it that Everton played 15 minutes followed by 15 minutes of out-and-out defending and so on and came out with a draw that they hardly seemed worth.

Olsen had a shocker in goal and could have done better for the first and third goals. Keane and Godfrey doesn't seem to work and Holgate just isn't a right-back who was just watching for the first goal possibly expecting the keeper to claim the ball.

Calvert-Lewin still leaves that lingering doubt and Richarlison doesn't seem to be the player of the start of the season. Our best was between Davies and Gomes, in that order, and I was surprised when Davies was subbed, especially as Iwobi and King did so little in the short time they had.

Still, a point away from home against a team above us in the Premier League but we really do have to raise the tempo of our game and find a way of getting more men forward when attacking if we want more than a 6th or 7th place finish.

Si Cooper
235 Posted 07/02/2021 at 03:29:07
Alun Jones (229),

I don't know what format you viewed the game on. Gary Neville on Sky constantly explained how our midfield set-up (a diamond) invited United to attack the flanks and how it was up to the midfield to react and support the fullbacks as United's attacks developed.

Ancelotti obviously thought that was best for us rather than leaving the space in the centre of the pitch. It seemed to work pretty well apart from the times some players switched off or we coughed up the ball too easily in our own half.

Mason Holgate did have an off game for me, and seemed to annoy some of his team mates by not really looking to make himself available as an outlet. At least that is how it looked. He may have been under orders to hang back until late on in the game when he did feature a bit more going forwards. I thought he should have been more alert to Cavani peeling off Keane for their first.

Neville also regularly highlighted how Richarlison's good efforts too often went unrewarded when players didn't chip the ball in behind Lindelhof to give him something to run on to. Unbelievable that some posters are still not seeing how much he is trying to be involved and still want to moan about his supposed bad attitude and self-absorption.

Then again, some posters apparently didn't see Gomes chasing attackers, making tackles and also looking to play incisive attacking passes. I'm never too harsh on goalies because I think it is a position that carries unbelievable pressure at times. All I can say is that I think Jordan Pickford gets dog's abuse if he doesn't get anything on their second and third goals.

Tom Davies did well but I'm not sure about MotM. I didn't think he stood out massively from his teammates. I think he had one nightmare ‘moment' when Lindelhof found no-one guarding the central corridor and waltzed 50 unopposed yards. Pretty sure Tom went from being at least 5 yards in front of the central defenders to about 2 yards behind them. I'm not having a go at him; I just think some are making too much about his performance. I think he has had better, and will have better in the future.

I didn't think anyone played brilliantly, but it was a battling team performance and I'm happy to give them all credit for putting the effort in to get a point from a game that could easily have yielded nothing.

Mike Gaynes
236 Posted 07/02/2021 at 03:43:22
Steve #235,

I ran around the whole house. Outside. But for tonight he's not DCL, he's DCO. Dominic Calvert-Oviedo.

Watching the replay in Spanish was fun. The announcer kept saying "Increíble, increíble!"

Loved the Godfrey FO moment. Loved Duncan's sprint past Ole. Loved Duncan trying to love up Carlo and Carlo severely telling him to chill out. Never cracked even a hint of a smile. Loved Dom giving Tom a piggyback ride out to thank the refs. Loved Dom crediting Carlo for changing up the system 2 minutes into the second half. We scored twice in three minutes after the change. Manager. Makes a difference, baby.

Andrew #27,

Wholeheartedly agree. Holgate was marking the Invisible Man, the Man in the Iron Mask or the Prophet Elijiah, but there was nobody else around, and he just stood there and watched Cavani slide in behind Keane. Mason's had a fine six weeks or so, but he was plumb awful today.

Best non-Everton moment of the day: Moyes doing a postgame interview with only the top of his head visible because he was trying to zip up his winter coat. Took him about six tries and four reporter questions before he could make the zipper work. And when he did, he disappeared into the coat like he was being swallowed. Rebecca Lowe thought it was hilarious.

Annika Herbert
237 Posted 07/02/2021 at 04:30:53
Have to agree with Jay @117. Olsen was awful and people are trying to defend him! Pickford would have been hung, drawn and quartered on TW for letting those goals in.

Absolutely ecstatic with the result in the end but trying to say Olsen wasn't at fault for any of the goals is madness in my opinion. There is a reason he was only 3rd choice with his Italian team. We saw that reason today.

Jason Wilkinson
238 Posted 07/02/2021 at 05:36:47
Annika,

Olsen was "at fault" for the 3rd goal. The 1st goal, if Keane was nowhere near, I reckon he comes for the ball. The fact that Keane gets caught under the ball and Holgate switches off (ball-watching) gives the keeper no chance.

The 2nd goal is maybe a little contentious. I would give Fernandes credit for the technique.

The two saves Olsen made were decent stops. We will never know if Pickford would have done any better. I still think he is the best back-up keeper we have had in many years.

Phil Smith
239 Posted 07/02/2021 at 06:25:17
Colin (199),

I just pissed myself reading that! Was thinking the same thing. Darth Davy-la.

Terry Farrell
240 Posted 07/02/2021 at 06:37:45
Derek,

Your begrudging praise of Tom is measly – was he not just as good away at Leicester? The answer is Yes!

Paul, I completely agree with you about Richarlison – we need him every game and I love the guy.

Olsen slipped. Keane wasn't under the ball, the ball in was top drawer for pace and shaved his head by 10 mm.

Ref gave them every 50-50 – did my head in!

Jamie Crowley
241 Posted 07/02/2021 at 06:55:09
It's almost 2 am, and I'm off to bed. Of course, before I lay me down to sleep, I watched the highlights again. For like the 10th time.

Our first goal was set up by a superb pass by Tom Davies through to Calvert-Lewin. Just a supreme ball. Perfectly weighted for Dom to get on the end of it.

Tom Davies, for me, was fantastic. That pass was beautiful. This kid has played very well recently, and long may it continue.

Roman Sidey
242 Posted 07/02/2021 at 07:30:30
I'm a massive critic of Davies so must give credit where it's due as he was quite good last night. He definitely should have done more for Fernandes's goal but the shifty bugger probably would have scored somehow anyway, and it doesn't take much away from his overall performance. For those saying he was unfairly subbed, I'm almost certain he'd taken a knock.

Like last week, very happy for Calvert-Lewin getting his goal, but he has to start converting some of these chances he's getting like the one at the end of the first half. Like some posters have said, you just don't feel confident when he's in those situations.

Before this latest run of three matches, four points probably would have been a decent bet for a lot of supporters. It just happens that it was probably a different combination of results that got us those points.

Steve Shave
243 Posted 06/02/2021 at 07:36:21
I had some family stuff so I reluctantly missed the game and only caught the last 10 mins so I won't offer an opinion on the game itself.

I am delighted to read some of the above comments though, particularly to hear praise for Tom and Gomes. Sadly some still have to run people down after a decent result and performance, it was ever thus I suppose. I have been given stick on here for my persistent defence of Gomes, I always felt he would find his form again and it looks like that is happening.

Carlo seems to be working wonders with a number of our players who seemed finished for us, Keane, Gomes, Tom, Iwobi (sort of) and yes I'll say it (though very reluctantly) he has even got Sigurdsson playing better. Someone mentioned above about it being Richarlison's turn next, that would be great huh?

This is my blind optimistic view for the rest of the campaign: with Godfrey firmly established as our first choice centre-back (captain's armband awaits), we start to play further up the pitch, thus bringing Richarlison more into games. We have Allan back soon who will bring the bite we need.

Personally I would love to see us play with the team that started the season, with Allan, Doucouré, and Gomes slightly further forward. This leaves James on the right, cutting in and looking for the cross-field passes. We need a top-drawer right-back in the summer for sure.

We all know this line-up leaves us exposed on the right but, with players coming back into form and the return of Allan, we could make a real push for 4th or 5th. I'll ignore for now the little voice in the back of my head saying "Yeah but this is Everton, they will let you down" and just say "Fuck it, looks to me like some chess pieces are coming together, who do we have to fear?" COYB.

Christine Foster
244 Posted 07/02/2021 at 07:53:59
Well, Ancelotti did earn his biccies at half-time and in the second half, but well done to every player for not giving in. It would be churlish to be critical after coming back twice and I have no intention of being so.

I was critical of the first-half performance at half-time but it shows that attitude and passion do exist in most of the team which is great. It gave me an enormous amount of satisfaction to stick it to them. It was the best second-half performance I have seen from Tom Davies and Gomes looks as if he has a new lease of life.

Some players can step up with the right motivation, some players need their backsides kicking and others need a quiet word in their shell-like... I'm glad Ancelotti has the measure.

Pleasure? In Fergie Time at Old Trafford with Sir Alex Fergusson watching, poetic justice that... James's goal, beautiful... Davies's pass (if only he would do that more often)... Calvert-Lewin, if only he was more ruthless... one-on-one practise every day next week.

I had an awful feed this morning, interspersed with me yelling at the TV in frustration and then jubilation, the life of an exiled Evertonian.

Roger Helm
245 Posted 07/02/2021 at 08:33:12
Roman 244, Calvert-Lewin has to start converting these chances? With 13 goals he is joint second in the league. Only an Evertonian could complain at that!

Of course at his young age there are things that need improving, and no striker is good at every facet of the game, but with his aerial prowess, hold-up and linking play, bullying of defenders, and goal poaching, I can't think of any centre-forward I would swap him for.

Eddie Dunn
247 Posted 07/02/2021 at 08:46:56
Roman,

Davies went off and could be seen talking about and looking down at his leg, so I think that he did pick up a knock.

Derek Knox
248 Posted 07/02/2021 at 08:49:50
Terry @ 242, regarding Tom Davies, yes he did have a good game yesterday, and I did acknowledge that, but if he is/was as good as you make out, even with rotation, I think Carlo would have used him a lot more than he has done.
Brian Murray
249 Posted 07/02/2021 at 08:59:53
Fair play to Gomes for finally stepping up and proving he still is class. Proved me wrong and long may it continue. Tom Davies will do for me. Coyb.
Terry Farrell
250 Posted 07/02/2021 at 09:34:42
Derek, I'm not saying he is good every game but I have a lot of time for any player who gives his all especially a young player. Carlo will know if he is good enough for the starting 11 but encouraging him is surely better than a crowd having a go. ie, some at Goodison Park before lockdown.
Danny O’Neill
251 Posted 07/02/2021 at 09:35:53
Most of it has been said. Yes, we got dominated at Old Trafford by an on-form team pushing for the Premier League title.

I could criticise the marking for their first goal, but then you admire the delivery and the movement of the forward. Likewise, the second was just a fantastic finish by a very good player. Our keeper slipped for their 3rd but then did still go down like a Salmon that had just taken its last breath.

Anyway, the important thing is we kept ourselves in the game and got something. Just as, all season, we have kept ourselves in touch as we approach the time when it matters.

The game isn't lost won or lost because we are winning or losing at half-time. The season ends in May, not October. No prophecy or hindsight from me, I've been saying it all season. We are in touch with the pack and on target for European qualification; that has always been the aim.

For me, the midfield 3 in particular stood out. Well done, Tom Davies and Gomes in particular. Doucouré as well, but he's doing what we have come to expect of him. Also, what a finish from James. I'm not going to criticise Holgate; the lad was playing out of position. But we need a right-
back.

Moment of the match? Duncan hugging Carlo, with our manager being very Italian: "It may be silver, but you're messing with my hair, Duncano."

Bill Fairfield
252 Posted 07/02/2021 at 09:48:54
Olsen wasn't the worst goalkeeper on show in that game...
Rob Halligan
253 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:07:22
So far, ToffeeWeb has produced medical experts, coaching experts, management material experts and now goalkeeping experts.

For those of you who have never played in goal, let alone actually put on a pair gloves, go and buy, or borrow a pair, and go and play in goal, and I don't mean facing a 5-year-old child in the back garden, and you'll soon see how difficult it is.

To criticise Olsen for any of those goals last night is ridiculous, especially the third. He slipped, no two ways about it, so what did you expect him to do, suddenly try and expand his arms a couple of feet to reach it?

Olsen also pushed one behind for a corner, which was going wide, but thankfully nothing came of it. Gary Neville said on commentary Olsen was undecided as to where the ball was actually going, a bit like Pickford against Leicester!!

We saw the other end when De Gea left the shot from Digne, which clipped the outside of the post. He'd have looked a right Moby Dick if it had gone in. Did he know it was going wide, probably, but it's a split-second decision a goalkeeper has to make.

Overall though, I've got no complaints about Olsen so far. I'm also glad to see he's not really in favour of taking those stupid goal kicks, passing to a defender in the 6-yard box.

Ajay Gopal
254 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:08:24
Carlo needs to be given credit, when he was almost ready to bring on Sigurdsson for James early in the 2nd half (I believe the assistant was readying his subs display board also), Carlo just asked Siggy to put his training top on again, and allowed James to carry on, and sure enough, we score 2 quick goals, with James's goal being the pick.

I have always backed Davies, and he has played well (mostly) in whatever position he has been asked. I agree right-back is a problem area and one that needs to be prioritised in the summer. Till then, I feel that a back 3 of Keane, Mina, Godfrey and Davies in the right wing-back position, Digne in the left wingback position, and Allan and Doucouré in the middle and either 1 of Gomes, James or Sigurdsson as a deep-lying (Gomes) or an attacking (Sigurdsson or James) mid-fielder. I would rest Richarlison for a couple of games and play either King or Iwobi to partner Calvert-Lewin:

Pickford
Keane Mina Godfrey
Davies Doucouré Gomes Allan Digne
Calvert-Lewin King

Ernie Baywood
255 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:15:41
Rob @254,

The 'slip' was down to positioning and footwork. Major parts of being a keeper. He moved too far to the left and then stumbled as he tried to shift back. He got it wrong – and then slipped as he tried to recover.

But as I said earlier in the thread, keepers (and every other player) make mistakes. My concern with Olsen is his ability with his feet. I think it puts Pickford as a sure selection if fit.

Danny O’Neill
256 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:15:52
He has done really well since coming in Rob. Above all he is a calming influence and reassures the defence. He also made at least 2 great saves to keep us in the game last night.

Some of this goes back to what I said last week. There is a generation of fans who genuinely believe every goal is preventable. On that basis every game would or should theoretically be 0 - 0.

Are we talking about the mistakes by De Gea or the excellent midfield play by Davies, James and Doucoure topped by the great forward running and anticipation of our centre forward?

Sometimes its hats off to the forward or scorer; both ways.

Dave Bowen
257 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:26:22
By far Davies & Gomes' best games in a long time. Both of them have driven me mad this season, but credit where it's due.

Olsen clearly slipped for their 3rd, but then atoned by causing sufficient doubt in the Man Utd defence that Maguire played Calvert-Lewin onside for our 3rd.

Richarlison needs to bin off those fucking red boots. He's not played well in them once.

Oh & beIN, please don't let Jim Beglin commentate on our games. The bitter, biased, sanctimonious twat has not said one complimentary thing about us all season.

Len Hawkins
258 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:31:12
Craig #144

I'm no fan of Gary Neville (except when he's giving the RS a lashing – I didn't think anyone other than an Evertonian could hate them as much) but he was 100% spot-on with our first-half display. I hate seeing the ball going backwards – forwards is the way to goal – and it was a pathetic display which every Evertonian should be ashamed of.

The second half was chalk and cheese but one thing that stood out like a sore thumb was the fact that Man Utd players on the ball always had an option or two of a pass to a teammate; talk of Champions League with our midfield would be embarrassing. We are not clinical or skilful enough to make that leap.

I read the other day that UEFA want the "big" teams in each league to automatically be included no matter where they finish so if we won the league Chelski or Arsenal or any of the Sky 6 would be more welcome than us.

Mind you, the investigation into Russian Oligarchs in football could cost us dear yet Yanks and Arabs are not squeaky clean but included in the snug little club running English football.

Thomas Richards
259 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:33:38
The biggest part of last night's game for me was the spirit Ancelotti has instilled in the players.

0-2 to 2-2
3-2 to 3-3

Great to see an Everton team fighting to the last second.

Mike Connolly
260 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:38:20
I'm a big critic of Tom Davies. However, tonight I thought he had a great game. Now that we know he can play like that, he needs to do it more consistently. Doing that will stop me and others from constantly moaning about him.

Bring on Spurs.

Mike Doyle
261 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:46:42
Nice to see the pick up in form and confidence of both Davies & Gomes. Long may it continue.
Andy Walker
262 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:48:50
Well it's great to get a last-minute equaliser. A very important point.

Doesn't change my opinion that we were by far the weaker team in that match and, if we'd played like Man Utd and not won the match, we'd have been furious, I suspect.

I also think if Calvert-Lewin hadn't equalised with the last kick, the general narrative would have been discussing the general poor quality and lack of bottle to play forward, as opposed to now glossing over this reality now with a fighting spirit narrative. I'm sure Carlo recognises the reality of what was an abysmal first-half performance and a slightly better but ultimately fortunate second-half performance.

Digne and Calvert-Lewin were my picks. Davies and Gomes did okay, but were generally toyed with by Fernandes and Pogba. Holgate not at all comfortable at right-back.

When are we going to get Allan back, I wonder? We desperately need his drive and attitude. Davies is still the weakest player in our squad, I think, and will be benched once Allan returns.

Thomas Richards
263 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:51:35
Mike 261,

Tom was outstanding last night. Thrilling to see him play like that. His breaking up of the play, his positional sense, no-nonsense tackling, and his selection of pass was as good as I have seen from him. Long may it continue.

Rob Halligan
264 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:52:58
Ernie, a goalkeeper has to be alert and ready to anticipate where a cross or shot is going to go, and in this case I don't think his positioning or footwork was wrong at all. He was stood just right of the centre of the goal, based on where the free-kick came in from. You say he moved too far to his left, I assume you meant too far to his right otherwise he would have easily saved it.

I've just watched the highlights on the official club website, and Olsen is a couple of feet off his line, standing slightly right, and as the free-kick came in, he stepped back, probably anticipating a flick on to go towards his left-hand side, and by moving his feet he can get a better spring in his dive. Unfortunately as he was about to dive he slipped.

Try and imagine standing perfectly still then diving, you won't get anywhere near the spring in your dive, the same way as a forward or defender cannot get the height they require when heading a ball just from a standing jump.

Andy Walker
265 Posted 07/02/2021 at 10:57:29
To add, James had a poor game, but he can't be brilliant all the time, his goal was brilliant though.
Annika Herbert
266 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:07:24
Rod @ 253, my father was a long-term amateur goalkeeper so I am not completely clueless as to what happens between the sticks. But my point was, if Pickford had let in those goals, he would have been slaughtered on TW.

Yet you defend Olsen for letting any in and claim he wasn't at fault for any of them! Whilst I don't think Pickford is good enough, I most certainly don't think Olsen is any better!

Thomas Richards
267 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:11:42
Annika,

My uncle was a porn star.

Me? I couldn't get a kiss in a Scottish brothel on a New Year's Eve.

Ciarán McGlone
268 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:15:08
Got to admire the brass neck on someone berating others for analysing the goalkeeping... yet going on to analyse the goalkeeping themselves.
Darren Hind
269 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:21:34
Agree with most of that post Rob. Especially the bit about Goalkeeping being a lot harder than it looks. Volunteered once when our keeper never showed up. Even though that was when I was at school, it put me off for life.

I agree with your assessment of the third goal too. The ground gave way under his feet when he tried to get a little purchase on his dive.

I never quite understand why a slip is deemed an error. What can you do if the ground gives way? How do you legislate for that? – Unless of course it happens to Stevie G La. In his case, he deserved to be hammered for it and should be ridiculed for the rest of his days.

Where I do slightly disagree with you is for the second. That was very preventable. Firstly Tom (who was excellent again) allowed himself to be deceived a little too easily by the little shift of the ball culminating in him selling himself... But Olsen has to be disappointed with his part in It too. It wasn't a screamer and I don't believe a goalkeeper standing virtually on his line should be beaten from distance on a shot going directly over his head.

It's worth pointing out that he made a couple of decent saves too – that's something often overlooked when Pickford is getting slaughtered too. You won't save them all.

BTW; talking of goalies, that Man Utd keeper's form has proper fell off a cliff in recent times...

Jason Li
270 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:22:34
Darren: Goalkeeper story so true. I was a decent number 10 and thought I could understand all the angles after seeing goalies close up. When our two goalies were out in an inter-class school match, I filled in for my own experiment - give it a go - and it was embarrassing listening to class mates telling me I was stood too far left or right when the other team scored. Never again!

Verses Utd: Always brings a smile when the real Ferguson enjoys Fergie time (Duncan)

Love the first touch to pluck the ball out of the air by Rodriguez. Would like to bring in a player like McNeil from Burnley to learn off James as he's got the tools to do a lot of things James and Digne can do.

Gomes morphing into 40 yard pass Pirlo is a joy as we're seeing full backs getting turned more often.

No fear with last decades 'Sky 6' anymore. We just need to find an alternative way to get gee'd up in the minutes leading up to a game against average teams. Even if it means our data scientists conjuring up video ideas that work when we play lower placed teams - or anything else to ensure we are well up for Fulham and on it.

Davies, nice to see one of our best teenage prospects still improving and being a top squad player, hopefully for the next decade. Hope to see him walk out to Champions League music one day.

Phil Lewis
271 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:26:08
"You're only as good as your last game" is my motto. Tom Davies has been very good for his last three games! Good luck to the lad. I thought he might have silenced his critics on TW for a while but still the mindless bias persists with some people, regardless of his performances.

Well done, our squad. Well done, our management. It's a moment to savour. Ask yourself how long it took for Klopp to turn Liverpool into Champions? How long the 'mighty' Manchester United have been in transition and the money spent in the process? By comparison, Carlo is orchestrating a quiet revolution.

Patience is required. More changes will come until we are the finished article. But we are very much on track, despite some frustrating setbacks.

There are players in the squad that I'm unhappy with at present. Notably Iwobi, SigurdsSon, Richarlison and Pickford. But saying that, I'm prepared to get behind all of them, when they pull on the blue Jersey. Especially when their performance is as spirited as last night's was.

Kevin Dyer
272 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:26:33
Elated by the late comeback; doing so twice in the game shows that the team has character, determination and belief something that hasn't been evident in recent seasons. Codicil that I believe 3 points were there for the taking.

In the first half we showed organization and a good shape, some nice touches to play through their press and the occasional incisive pass. A bit more confidence on playing forward passes, as Ancelotti alluded to post-match and we would have scored, as United's backline looked vulnerable to a through-ball all game. We switched off on two occasions and were punished by the quality that United have in forward positions.

Second half the team came out fired-up and whilst still playing on the break (or transition using the modern parlance) were braver getting men forward, on the ball and with runners and it paid off handsomely. United reacted and we kind of reverted to type, sitting too deep once more. Their goal however was a bit of a fluke, Olsen been caught flat-footed, or slipping. It was disappointing to fall behind again and we wouldn't have come again under previous regimes, or with different players, or mentality. We did and the importance of this can't be understated.

Individual players:

Olsen (6) was a mixed bag, had no chance with their first two, pulled off a few solid saves but at fault for the 3rd. Kicking was weak all game. Would still give him a run as I've given up on Jordan.

Holgate (6): combative but offered little going forward, good pass at the end of the 1st which DCL should have scored from. Partly to blame for goal #1. Not long-term answer at RB but prefer him to Seamus.

Keane (6): solid but partly to blame for their 1st. Feel Mina would have dealt with that cross. Flick-on for the winner.

Godfrey (6): was hoping for one of those driving runs from defence but played much more conservatively against that strong Man United attack.

Digne (7): some decent link-up play and his FK resulted in our 3rd. Had his hands full with the excellent Greenwood.

Doucoure (8): two sloppy passes first half, one of which lead to a goal. Hugely improved 2nd, bagging a goal and assist.

Davies (9): always available for a pass to relieve pressure, received well on the half-turn, looked for the forward option when on, showed a range of passing. Defended very well. Dealt well with Fernandes (including a couple of rough challenges, which was great to see). Was actually tracking Greenwood's run at the time of their 2nd (he'd swapped position with Bruno). Instrumental in our second half comeback, great collect, run and interplay. No quit in the lad.

Gomes (8): another very good game from a fella I thought was finished. Completed 90m back-to-back and looks fully recovered from his horrible injury. Did OK defensively, passed well and was very good in possession. Does not look as slow as prior to the Leeds game.

Rodriguez (7): neat in possession for most of the 1st then got sloppy. Did not look to play anything incisive. 2nd half was much more proactive, goal was a brilliant strike and shows that even when apparently not at it he's the rare type of player that has decisive quality.

Richarlison (6): diligent in his defensive duties and tried hard all game, the goals will come.

DCL (7): often isolated but had the beating of the United backline all match. Has to put that chance away at the end of the 1st. Made amends with his quick reactions to claim the draw.

Subs: Sigurdsson (6) patrolled in front of the midfield and did OK when dropped deeper. Iwobi (5) couldn't get into the game at that late stage. King (6) took 5m to get up to speed then showed a couple of nice touches; will be a factor as his match fitness grows.

Oliver Molloy
273 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:32:40
Jay Wood,
Maybe you missed my question to you @ 137 regards your comments @ 117.
I asked you - Are you saying Olsen was at fault for all three goals?

Jay Wood @ 117.
'Olsen not to blame for the goals. He hasn't made mistakes.'
Give yer head a shake, Justin."

If that was Pickford letting in those goals, he would be getting slaughtered.

Jason Li
274 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:36:43
Kevin, yes that's it. When I watched in my youth the old Serie A games with the magical technician Del Piero at Juventus, he was a player that commentators would say as the the player that decides games. James is that type of player.
Thomas Richards
275 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:36:47
https://twitter.com/billymooreAPBD/status/1358343946829766656?s=20

Progress this kid is making is unbelievable.
Take 10 minutes to look through what he is doing.
Massive Blues him and Billy.

Hopefully he will get loads of birthday cards from ToffeeWebbers.


Tony Waring
276 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:47:32
Haven't read all the posts so apoogies if my comments are repetitive. Pre-match I wondered to myself if it was a luxury to play James, that we would need more brawn than he offers. How wrong I was. Although his first half input was less than he usually serves up his goal was a masterpiece. The pass from Ducoure was bobbling but he controlled it superbly and the shot for goal was fantastic; Few players are capable of that brilliance. I also thought Davies and Gomes put in good shifts but Holgate is not a right back. All in all a great result. Now for Spurs and then the other lot across the park.
Brian Harrison
277 Posted 07/02/2021 at 11:48:17
I think we are slowly seeing a team evolving into a team that is well organised and has for the first time in years have a belief and a confidence in themselves. Not the free flowing football we would all like to see, but you can see the building blocks being put in place game by game. As in any sport confidence is hugely important, but confidence only comes with results, and although we have had a few set backs I think the players have a new found confidence and just as important ultimate belief in what the manager is doing.

I know many fans don't like the rotating of players but again its building belief amongst the squad that everybody has a chance to impress, so when players are rotated it is not such a big deal. Some teams are great when they can play their first eleven, but if they get 1 or 2 injuries it has a massive impact on their teams.

I think whats also worth bearing in mind that we have got these results when our front 2 hadnt been in the best of form, and Richarlison although his work rate cant be questioned isn't the player he was a couple of months back. We don't have an abundance of attacking options so Carlo has had to get results inspite of this, and to go to Old Trafford with 1 striker not firing and to get a draw after being 2 down then recover again from going behind to snatch a draw speaks volumes about this teams never say day spirit. I couldnt see any of our previous managers getting that sort of response, in fact if most of them had been in charge it would probably have been 4-1.

So yes still a lot to do but results like yesterdays will do wonders for team spirit and belief.

Brent Stephens
278 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:04:34
The first half we were being run ragged. The second half we got the two quick goals but I still felt uneasy and thought Utd would still be able to put too much pressure on us. And so they scored their third. Though we had a better second half in our performance, it really was touch and go in that half.

But what a denouement! All the disappointment from that first half was just blown away by the two quick goals and then the final equaliser.

MotM contenders:
Godfrey for his "fuck off" to Utd players after we scored.
Carlo for that consoling arm around Holgate.
Davies - tremendous performance. Just about wins the champagne.

Tony Hill
279 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:14:08
Thomas @275, they're both a great tonic.
Danny O’Neill
280 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:15:51
One of those saves was early in the second half when the score was still 2 - 0.

I thought at the time Tom could have closed for the second goal but in hindsight, I think the BBC gave a good analysis. The player isn't really going anywhere looks as if he is going to cross, Tom looks to have the cross covered and blocked, Fernades plays a cute dummy and even then I don't think anyone is expecting him to pull that out of the locker. Ultimately a good goal and don't wish to be too critical of Tom. Really pleased with and for Tom Davies last night.

Tony Waring, agree it was a difficult pass for James to control in the box, but what a spot from Doucoure. I would imagine most players in that position would look to clip one back in, which could have been defended, not have the composure to spot a late runner coming into the box. Great finish on the end of it as well.

Paul A Smith
281 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:18:23
Having watched that Fernandes goal a few times I can't believe there is some support for Olsen there.

Its a training ground shot that should never beat a keeper in a real game.

Hes about 2 yards off his line and gets beat over his head. His desperate leap after it past him showed he'd made a mistake and he certainly wasn't ready for it which he should be.

The slip was slightly unlucky but he wasn't ready for that dodgy header either and thats why he couldn't re-adjust.

This is not to say he can't play again though he just needs to be sharper.

George McKane
282 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:20:07
Sunday morning Costa Del New Brighton - - it's around 11.30 - - finished my Altar Boy Duties at 10.00 o'clock Mass at St.Ollies - - Father Winder's Sermon “never give up - - keep the faith - - and God Bless Evertonians - - everyone of them”.
The Sky's (sic) are trying to tell me that it's a grey day but I am having none of it - - I see Blue everywhere - - breakfast finished - - Yoghurt and Blueberries - - of course - - sitting in my writing room at my desk - - Van on in the background - - got my Everton Dressing Gown on - - OK I know how old I am - - I am like a big soft kid this morning - - watched MOTD a few times - - Yahooooooooooooooooooooo - - thinking about all of us on here - - different views and opinions - - but Blues Together - - “in sickness and health” - - my goodness I miss the days of walking to The Dark House - - having a gas - - before and after the game - - I remember those wonderful Bluetiful days of memories, debates, laughs, singing - - men loving football because it gives them the chance to hug each other and dance together - - “are you dancing - - are you asking - - I'm asking - - I'm dancing” - - The Dark House is like a flashback to the days of great pubs all along Scotland Road - - Westminster and Walton Road - - full of great “wellers” - - if you are not from Liverpool you may not know what a “Weller” is - - in Liverpool Pubs years' ago there was always sing songs - - many people had a favourite song they would sing every week - - in the pub where I lived on Sunday's Billy Evans - - who forever wore his Blue Bib and Brace clothes throughout the week - - but on Sunday would wear a pin stripped double breasted suit and shirt and tie - - and would always sing - - “The Lord is My Shepherd” - - but that's not a “weller song” - - you see Liverpool men and women would start every song with “well” and wave their arm in the air - - a call for everyone to join in - - for example:
“Wellll - - I never felt more like singing the blues”.
I am thinking of us all now - - seriously with a tear on my cheek - - missing those day so much - - when we could be together
In the golden afternoon, in the golden afternoon
When we would watch
Those Blue Boys Play
Take me back
Take me way way back
In the golden afternoon
I felt I wanna blow my harp.
Gonna blow it right now - - 11.56 - - for all you Blues - - here goes - - just for you - - my cousin taught me to play the mouth organ - -“Our Monica”:
“………… and in between the silence there was conversation
And laughter, and music and singing, and shivers up the back of the neck
And tuning in to Luxembourg late at night
And jazz and blues records during the day
Also Debussy on the third program
Early mornings when contemplation was best”

Last night as we watched our Boys play Football Under the Stars:
“We're gonna make music underneath the stars
We're gonna play to the violin and the two guitars
And we're sit there and play for
Hours and hours when the healing has begun
Hours, hours and hours
When the healing has begun
Hours and hours, hours
When the healing has begun”

Ahhh - - it makes me feel good - - gonna blow my Harmonica again - - there you go.
“Rave on John Donne, rave on thy holy fool
Down through the weeks of ages in the moss borne dark dank pools
Rave on, down through the industrial revolution
Empiricism, atomic and nuclear age
Rave on down through the corridors
Rave on words on printed page
Rave on, Walt Whitman, nose down in wet grass
Rave on, fill the senses on nature's bright green shady path
Rave on, Omar Khayyam, rave on Kahlil Gibran
Oh, what swine, sweet wine we drinketh, the celebration will be held
We will drink the wine and break the holy bread
Rave on, let a man come out of Ireland, rave on on Mr. Yeats
Rave on down through the Holy Rosey Cross
Rave on down through theosophy and the golden dawn
Rave on through the writing of a vision
Rave on, rave on, rave on, rave on, rave on, rave on, rave on
Rave on, John Donne (yeah)
Rave on, my holy fool (that's alright)
Down through the weeks of ages (alright)
In the moss borne dark dank pools
Rave on now though the industrial revolution
Empiricism and the atomic and nuclear age
Rave on words on printed page”

It seems there may be Light in the Greyness - - Restrictions Getting Lifted - - Friends Reunited - - I had my Vaccination last Sunday - - came back from The walk In like Mc Murphy - - “a goddam wonder of modern science” - - it will be lovely to try and see some of you at the get together - - no matter what I will make the effort to be there - - and will bring “Our Monica” - - and we will walk along those streets again - - to join our friendships together - - in kindness and goodness - - here - - close to Goodison - - and send our wishes from Our City out into The Blue Astral to all of you with a firm cosmic handshake.

Take care gang - - Up The Blues

Thomas Richards
283 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:25:09
Tony 279

They are indeed.

Wrong time and place to go into the back story of young Joey.
Believe me, he's had it hard.
Brilliant to see him come through that and develop his own set of skills.

Keep it up Joe

Oliver Molloy
284 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:36:40
George, Happy Sunday.

You are forever a shining light to Evertonians everywhere and a fine ambassador to your great city.

The next time I make it to Liverpool, I shall have to visit the "Dark House".

Keep on keeping on !

George McKane
285 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:37:53
Thank you, Oliver – cosmic grooves to you all the way.
Rob Halligan
286 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:39:58
Ah well... Maybe it's me. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe all those cups, league and player of the season awards I won whilst playing in goal were pure fluke, and maybe the league and cup wins were despite me, not cos of me!!

As Danny @ 256 says, every goal scored must therefore be preventable, and I'm really surprised every game does not finish 0-0!!

Danny O’Neill
287 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:43:13
I think where we are with the keepers is that one is very agile but doesn't install confidence in the defence and has an error or too in him. In fact, he's almost too agile so spends a lot of the game diving around the goal area when he doesn't need to dive.

The other is less agile but more commanding so the defence look more comfortable with him behind them. He seemingly also has to odd error in him. But then what player or keeper doesn't? It's just more obvious when a keeper makes one.

Both are good shot stoppers, both are good keepers. I don't think there is a lot to choose between them, just different strengths & areas for improvement.

Can we improve on them? Of course. I suspect however, come the summer, that is not an area of the pitch that will be a priority for us. Both are good enough for where we are at this point of the Ancelotti reign.

George, I'm off to pour a glass of decent grape before reading that one so I do it justice.

Paul Birmingham
288 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:49:15
Cracking dirty George, now for Spurs.
Rob Dolby
289 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:49:55
Made up with the point as I thought United controlled most of the game.

2 pieces of quality got them a 2 goal lead. I get the feeling sky will be replaying the Fernandes goal a lot, a bit of genius.

Spirit got us back into it then we reverted to type and sat back, so frustrating.

I was half expecting the DCL equaliser to get chalked off. All the utd arms went up. Godfrey shouting back over towards the utd players and linesman, I honestly thought they had flagged offside, then the slow motion replays checking for handball, offside or any infringement before giving the goal. All these things remove the spontaneous reaction and celebration of scoring a goal. The game is becoming more focused on the officials than the football.

I am not buying into the negativity around Richarleson. The lad is playing left mid working his socks off up and down the pitch, making runs that aren't being picked out by the midfielders. He will be allowed to play further forward once we strengthen the midfield.

Davies my motm. He isn't afraid of passing the ball into space. DCL is a real threat to all teams not just bullying weaker teams. He progressing into a very good striker.

Lots of room for improvement in lots of other areas in the team that I hope gets addressed in the summer.

Tough couple of games coming up, hopefully we can build up a bit of momentum.

Paul Birmingham
290 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:50:36
Cracking ditty George, now for Spurs., it should have said, the iPad has a spell check of its own, apologies to all.
Julian Exshaw
291 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:52:33
We've given Pickford his share of chances, is Olsen not due one? There don't seem to be many top-class keepers around these days.

I don't think the performance was perfect yesterday but I won't forget the feelings of joy and relief at the end for a long time. Bloody fantastic! It was a great finish by Calvert-Lewin and I think he's becoming an excellent player. He's cocky without being arrogant.

A final point, I can understand that no manager wants to do interviews after the match but Ole and old Jürgen show their true colours when they don't get things their way. It takes class to be magnanimous. Last night showed me Ole has little. Carlo, on the other hand, has it in abundance.

Dave Abrahams
292 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:53:19
Danny (280), yes, that pass from Doucoure, very good, ran for the ball turned round, and looked up, picked James out, then passed the ball to him, a lesson for quite a few wingers at Everton who have played this season.

That miss by Calvin Lewin near the end of the first half? A couple of inches the other side of the post and we would have all been cheering our heads off, then the cheering would have stopped half-way through, when we realised the linesman was flagging for offside, 10 seconds after he let the play go on. In other words, it wasn't a miss at all.

Ciarán McGlone
293 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:54:24
"I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

Close the debate... we've reached a factual position.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

294 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:57:47
Oliver @ 273.

I did see your earlier post addressed to me. I ignored it.

But as you've come back for a second bite a day later, you evidently value my opinion and are anxious to have me expand on my post, so I will.

You asked me 'Are you saying Olsen was at fault for all three goals?'

Nope! I didn't say that. At all. My sole comment in reply to another poster absolving Olsen of ANY mistake was:

'If that was Pickford letting in those goals, he would be getting slaughtered.'

Now if you believe otherwise, I would have to conclude you are either not a very attentive reader of TW post match threads, or a very selective one. Jordan would absolutely be getting slaughtered on here if he was between the sticks and conceded as Olsen did.

As to my own personal view of the goals we conceded, Olsen is not at all culpable on the first one. Nor is Keane. The quality of Rashford's cross is excellent. Most culpable for me in that play is Mason Holgate who can see the whole play, is by default a centre-back... and does absolutely nothing to tuck in and make Carvani work harder for his goal.

Fernandes on the second, yes, he could have been closed down better. Yes, it was good technique by the United player. But it was not hit with power. It was not in the 'far corner' as Justin (the poster I responded to) claimed. It was very central, as was Olsen's starting position. I'll come back to this when describing the third. Olsen too easily beaten for a man of his height and international class.

On the third, Olsen's starting position for the free-kick is good. Central, a stride or two forward of his goal line. As the ball comes in, he steps all the way back to his goal line and slightly to his right.

And I'm sorry to disagree with many on here, but the 'slip' is minimal. Extremely negligible. What I see on the 2nd and 3rd goals is a stiff-legged goalkeeper, neither crouching nor bending his knees at the appropriate time, which would have given him a greater spring and height on the Fernandes goal and greater reach and stretch on the 3rd goal.

On the 3rd goal in particular, it was goalkeeping on the never-never. Going down in installments. A slow-motion replay would almost be a freeze-frame of Olsen's 'movement'. It was agonising watching such a weak header go so gently past his hands.

Olsen has done 'okay' in games he has been called on. I see no evidence that he is considerably the better goalkeeper than Jordan Pickford that many are claiming.

Still relishing the second half in which we beat United 3-1.

David Hallwood
295 Posted 07/02/2021 at 12:57:52
Just a few reflections: Holgate: in the bi-polar brains of all football supporters we forget that he was brilliant last season and but for the injury would've been a regular in the back 4, but a full-back he ain't.

Davies: had a great game apart from the Fernandes goal, although Dion Dublin on MotD said his positioning to stop the shot was perfect and it was only the brilliance of the strike that done him & Olsen (I'm torn between that and should a 6'-5" goalkeeper be beaten by a lob)

But back to Davies: in the last 3 or 4 games he's played in, he's doing a job – an Italian job; because, for the last 40-odd years, all Italian teams have a Davies-alike in front of the back four (and before that it was behind the back four), breaking up play, narrowing the angles, and popping it off to the more expansive midfielders to take it up the field.

This is where I think Gomes, Doucouré and James need some criticism, because it seems like the game plan was to play a RS like 40+ yard ball into the channels (at least it looked that way, the way Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin were set up) and, in the 1st half just didn't deliver.

Even Gary Neville alluded to it, that Richarlison especially was doing runs only to see the ball going backwards. The frustrating thing is, get 2 or 3 of them in and it changes the dynamic of the game, and it certainly give Solskjaer something to think about and possibly be less cavalier in Man Utd's approach.

But overall, really pleased because, despite not everyone being on top of their game and playing with a makeshift right-back we came away with something from Old Trafford. Who knows if all the ifs line up; if Richarlison discovers his mojo, if Allan carries on the way he was before injury, if Gbamin is up and ready after Easter (big if), if King pops in with a few goals, in this crazy season… well, who knows???

Danny O’Neill
296 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:02:28
Genius George. We had very light snow here this morning, yet now I can only see blue skies too!!

I can actually quote a family member on the every goal is preventable statement Rob H!

Isn't it great watching the Sunday football in a relaxed mood!

John Keating
297 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:07:52
For anyone who hasn't seen it Howards Way just about to start on Sky Documentaries
Dave Abrahams
298 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:08:18
George (282), great memories George, especially the “Well” one, my sister in law a good singer got on the Billy and Wally show on Radio Merseyside, the song had to begin with a certain letter, this day it was the letter S, but she kicked off with. “ Well- - - - Smile, though your heart is breaking” Billy Butler broke her heart that day, he disqualified her for starting with the letter W, she said “ Ah hey Billy, everyone in Liverpool who sings in the pubs, starts with “Well”, he said “ Not on here they don't”
Brent Stephens
299 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:10:35
Well Dave that's a great story!
Danny O’Neill
300 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:14:27
Billy and Wally. Wow, thanks for taking me back to my 80s childhood Dave!!

John, thanks for the nod. Even for those of us that have seen it 57 times!!

On football documentaries, if you're interested in non-Everton insights, the "Mi Chiamo Francesco Totti" is really good.

Home grown boy who played for the club he supported and never left. The ending is so typically emotionally Italian! Great watch.

Kevin Molloy
301 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:15:22
one interesting situation we find ourselves in (for the first time I think). We now have a squad. We pretty much have two interchangeable players for nearly every position. I reckon that alone must be worth 10-15 points a season, and means a glut of fixtures now no longer is the concern it would have been even last year.
Rob Halligan
302 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:16:23
Danny, I blame Doucoure for the first goal, as it was him who lost the ball in midfield.
George McKane
303 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:17:03
Thank you Danny - and everyone - nice just to let it all flow - Dave - I somehow knew your gang would be “wellers” - great story - did a performance piece 30 odd years ago called “Dear Billy Butler” - take care gang.
Dave Abrahams
304 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:19:28
Brent (299) Well Brent!! Not trying to be funny again are you! I've bleedin' warned you about this.
Danny O’Neill
305 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:19:48
I would say the squad and rotation of it is being managed better Kevin. It's still very thin in terms of quality once we get past 14 or so players.

The summer should be about adding quality in depth and more competition for places.

But yes, we are definitely using and managing the squad much better now. The addition of the midfielders in the summer has added quality and put those already here on their toes.

The return of Holgate, improvement in Keane and Mina plus the addition of Godfrey, means we are suddenly not really concerned which 2 of those 4 get selected for the centre back positions.

Thomas Richards
306 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:20:32
Im sitting here holding my plums.

Laugh a minute that show.

George. 282
Beautiful

Danny O’Neill
307 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:40:35
Hold yer plumbs. The Sunday nostalgia that keeps giving!

Exactly Rob.

Different, but parallels, I said this about assists. The only player credited with an assist is the one who makes the final pass or touch before the scorer.

But, the keeper could have made a quick decision to pick out a midfielder, who plays it into the feet of the forward, who lays it off to the wide player who's cross is planted into the net by the forward. All have assisted in scoring the goal.

Likewise, the midfielder loses the ball, the defender doesn't mark tight enough and the keeper lets the goal in. All have contributed to conceding the goal.

It's a team game right?

Bill Gall
308 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:41:50
It is easy to be critical after the game and on the live forum I was being critical of certain parts of the game by certain players but that was in the heat of the moment, and during the game. As my wife would testify, I am not a very rational person during a game.
Reflection after watching the game again. Yes there are certain parts of our game that need improving, and I am sure the manager and coaches are aware of it and will work on it. The real positive to come from yesterday was the fightback from 2 goals down, when normally we would just lay down, this attitude was emphasized by Godfrey's mild comment to the Utd players after the third goal.
The best part to come from the game, listening to the unbiased pundits (and I say that with tongue in cheek ) trying to say what Utd's problem was and trying to not offer any praise to Everton. Big surprise, M.Owen actually calling James goal brilliant, the way he controlled the ball before scoring.
Thank you Mr Ancelotti for making me weekend better apparently despite remarks from some supporters, you do know what your doing.
Mark Murphy
309 Posted 07/02/2021 at 13:52:18
George your Father Winder sounds like Father Malachi of my youth at St Anne's, Sutton, St Helens. He always mentioned the Blues in his sermon. I particularly remember one occasion when we won in the cup and Liverpool lost. In his thick Belfast accent he said, “God is indeed in his heaven, Everton won yesterday and Liverpool lost, praise be to God”! There was a mixture of grins and muttered oaths in the congregation...
Fast forward nearly 50 years and my aunt posted a link to a mass that the very same Father Malachi, now in Whitstable, Kent, was saying for my dear departed Dad in December 2020. Looking very old and frail there was still a twinkle in his eye as he finished his sermon with “And God bless Everton who beat Chelsea yesterday!”
Thomas Richards
310 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:00:27
Mark 309,

Rev Harry Ross doing the service a good few years ago for a great Evertonian mate of mine who died too young.

"Well we mourn the passing of a good man. I know we have a mixed congregation but always remember our friend when you look up to the sky. The sky that is coloured Blue, and that's where your friend is. We all know what colour hell is."

Bobby Mallon
311 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:03:58
I think we should sell Richy in the summer for 50 million or more. I can't believe he's so poor in 1 v1 situations. I think his heart and head are at a champs league club somewhere and he wants away. I watched how greenwood took Digne and Richy on every time he got the ball and thought why can't richy do that this season. So frustrating as he does have loads of talent
George McKane
312 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:04:52
Mark - wonderful - visited Whistable - worked extensively in Schools in St. Helens - many years ago - during Mike Walkers time in charge - I was asked to talk at A Conference at The Orell Seminary on Spirituality as opposed to Catholicism per se by Derek Warlock Archbishop of Liverpool - I asked if he was sure I was the right person - yes we agreed - we had lost a few on the run and I asked him to have a word for a won - we drew and Bishop Worlock asked me if that would do. Times have changed indeed.
Nicholas Ryan
313 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:05:33
George [282] Bizarre... but wonderful!

More seriously; I have been so taken aback by the criticism of Olsen's 'mistakes' that I watched the whole 90 minutes again... still waiting for the 'mistakes' to show themselves!

Chris Williams
314 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:09:41
Thomas,

harry did the funeral for My best mates dad. A red family, with red and white flowers, the lot. They'd all got married there too Back in the day.

He said to me as we all went in, ‘that's why we have a pink carpet, to walk on and wipe our feet'.

A big row kicked off over the road between 2 women, and he said that one was the mother of an addict and one was the mother of a pusher. It's like Beirut here some days was his comment.

Annika Herbert
315 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:32:27
Nicholas @ 313, then you just aren't looking very hard. No doubt if it was Pickford you would manage to see them all too clearly though
Thomas Richards
316 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:38:36
Chris,

Great story
A lovely man Harry.

Derek Knox
317 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:49:21
Chris @ 314, many great stories about Harry Ross, especially from Evertonians, he was a very likeable man who certainly left an impression on all he met or knew, or just by reputation.

I'm almost convinced that it was him who got a mention in the Dire Straits hit " Sultans of Swing " And Harry doesn't mind, If he doesn't make the scene, He's got a daytime job, He's doing alright. :-)

Oliver Molloy
318 Posted 07/02/2021 at 14:50:09
Jay @ 294,

Here's what you said exactly in reply to Justin @ 117

"Olsen not to blame for the goals. He hasn't made mistakes.'

"Give yer head a shake, Justin."

"If that was Pickford letting in those goals, he would be getting slaughtered".

Regards you admitting that you chose to ignore me, I'm not at all surprised by this, it's who you are isn't it.

I truly wanted to know what your thinking was given you never elaborated further on "give your head a shake"

Always good to get the thoughts of someone who believe they are superior and know better than many of us, thanks for the reply.

Colin Malone
319 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:01:37
With Allan injured, what's happened to Mo Besic? Tough-tackling ball-winning midfielder, or is he too tough for the Premier League?
Andy Crooks
320 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:04:13
What a wonderful second half. Just looking at the Man Utd faces, what celebration. For many years, I criticized Duncan Ferguson on this site. Eventually, I realized I was totally wrong. His celebration yesterday was beyond joyous.

Everton can and do ruin weekends. Stuff like yesterday pays it all back. I will remember that long after Newcastle is forgotten. Are we not the most unpredictable team in the world?

Well done, Mike Gaynes, I had a quick look at the Live Forum yesterday – you never doubted.

Finally, on the goalkeeper. I don't rate Pickford and I would have slated him yesterday. However, I found myself defending Olsen. Which, to be honest, is unreasonable.

Ian Edwards
321 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:10:37
Having watched the game again, the following points strike me:

We defended far too deep for their last goal. The defensive line was on top of Olsen. Any United head on the free-kick was clearly going to cause a problem.

Whenever we got possession in the first half, there were countless times that Gomes turned and passed backwards. There was no need for Gomes in the team with Davies holding and Doucouré going box-to-box.

Michael Kenrick
322 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:19:31
Colin @319,

I think Mo has been sitting on his arse doing nothing all season – apart from banking his fabulous Everton salary, for doing the square root of fuck all. Of course, I don't follow him on social media, and could be missing some vital contribution to society...

Such is the nature of the modern game, with professional footballers quite content to while away their all-too-short careers. And work out how to burn through a cool £30,000 each week.

Since the decision was made not to register him in the Everton squad at the start of the season, then I believe he has not been eligible for selection by Carlo Ancelotti. Go figure!

Paul A Smith
323 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:20:50
I haven't seen a team deal with James moving off the flanks into spaces in more central positions yet.

Its becoming our game and although hes had times when he hasn't influenced the game enough, hes always there picking it up where he can't be picked up.

Hes the player we need to protect in games and his influence on the ball can work well for the players moving around him.

I hope Allan comes back strong and with Davies and Gomes coming back into some better form, we have stronger competition in all positions.

I thought our midfield 3 gave a good go at some class individuals even in the first half when our passing was more cautious and we we weren't always tight enough.

They all kept going and played more positive as the game went on.

I didn't see an outstanding performance from either side but everyone stuck to their tasks in digging out a draw when the game looked lost twice.

Si Cooper
324 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:23:31
Ian, your anti-Gomes stance is over the top and the large majority don't appear to agree with you. Why not give it a rest?
John McFarlane Snr
325 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:23:40
Hi George [282] it's great to know that you are in good spirits, [no moans and groans from you,] your enthusiasm and your obvious love for Everton should act as an inspiration to less fervid fans. Take care, and I too will be at the next get-together if God spares me.

Hi Nicholas [313] I have long thought that football, [like life] is riddled with mistakes, and that the mistakes made by the team you support are unacceptable but the mistakes made by your opponents are gleefully snapped up, For example, Doucouré's mis-control which led to a goal for United was unacceptable, but the goal he scored following an assist from David de Gea was readily welcomed. I can only imagine that whatever United's site similar to ToffeeWeb is, it will be full of complaints regarding his mistake.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

326 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:26:32
Oliver, don't be so infantile.

I have never ever (unlike some on here) claimed to be superior or know better than any one else. So fuck off with that line right away.

My only posts in this thread are @ 50. A half-time assessment of the game.

@ 117. A full time assessment with the reply to Justin's comments that you questioned me twice on representing a very small part of that whole post.

@ 212. A link requested by Jamie Crowley to Ben Godfrey's 'Fuck Off!' on celebrating Dom's goal.

And then this morning @ 294, answering your twice-posted question.

Your contribution to this thread? Pre-match @ 10 and 15, a couple of one-liners expressing a desire to prove the experts and Solskjaer wrong. Your first question to me @ 137. The question repeated @ 273 and now, having got the response you twice requested, your pout @ 318.

In my posts I discussed the football. I have offered my assessment of the manager, the team, individual players and the performance. I make it clear it is MY opinion.

From your posts, we haven't got a Scooby what you think of any of those things listed in my previous paragraph. All we've learnt how easily offended you are when a question you asked twice gets an answer you don't care for.

Carry on.

Ciarán McGlone
327 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:27:08
I'm very surprised that Gomes and Davies are attracting any criticism for last night..
Brian Wilkinson
328 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:30:21
I cannot and will not blame Olsen for the first two goals, sometimes you have to acknowledge a piece of brilliance from Bruno, the first was poor marking to allow Cavani a free header.

I could say his misjudgement of needlessly giving a corner away was one such error of judgement, the third goal he lost his footing at a crucial time and had to dive from a static position, so you could put that down to a mistake, or just bad luck.

He also got away with the one where Rashford shot wide, with him caught off his line, but he did make a good one-on-one save at his near post.

Probably one of his poorer games, but overall still looked reassuring, distributing and collecting the ball, so I would certainly keep giving Olsen a run of games.

However, I fully expect Pickford to start on Wednesday, if he is fit.

Tony Hill
329 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:43:23
John @325, "[life] is riddled with mistakes...". Deeply true. I think you only start to realise it, properly realise it, from the perspective of older age.

When you do realise it, you can forgive yourself and others much more easily. I still fail to do so far too often - which is another mistake, I suppose.

Danny O’Neill
330 Posted 07/02/2021 at 15:54:00
I haven't checked it out in a while John Mc Senior, but Red Cafe might be entertaining now you mention!

I sometimes have a look over there as there is often a lot of wider football debate. There are a couple of Evertonians who post on there too. As there are from other clubs.

Some of it is really good, sometimes it get's a bit nonsensical, but then that's football debate right?!

Yes, mistakes happen and go both ways. When it's our mistake, it's a mistake. When the other team makes it, it is the brilliance of our players for exploiting that mistake. You are right Sir.

John McFarlane Snr
331 Posted 07/02/2021 at 16:14:34
Hi Tony [329] in the autumn of my life, I have become more tolerant, regarding football, I have learned the hard way that football, although it's still a part of my life it's importance has lessened. You may have read on this site that I attend games with an open mind, and the reason I do so can be illustrated by yesterdays game, with four minutes of added time being played I would imagine that most Everton and United fans had settled for a 3-2 result that's when my belief in "Anything can happen in a game of football" was reinforced.
Peter Mills
332 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:12:32
George#282, great stuff.

“In sickness and health”. It was my 40th wedding anniversary yesterday, I spent most of the day helping my son and his pal cut back a substantial hedge at our house. We were ably assisted by my 2 young grandsons. We had a laugh, a couple of bottles of beer when we were finished, all suitably distanced. It was good to be together.

Mrs Mills and I had a nice meal with a decent helping of holy water (from Rioja) after that. I thought the match to follow might cause some marital conflict, but there was none of it, she graciously watched a film on her phone with headphones. She was a little taken aback by the uncustomary speed with which I leapt from my chair just before 10 o'clock, but took a casual glance at the telly and said “Have you had a good day, then?”

I had.

Barry Jones
333 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:36:20
Gomes was absolute class. I feel that the criticism of him has been a bit harsh. He had an horrendous injury to come back from, but he looks really good at the moment. He provides both guile and strength. I agree he could be more consistent but lets give him some time. Davies played very well and I am pleased for him.

Talking of class, the biggest conundrum is James. He can always produce something brilliant out of nothing, but for long periods he can be a passenger, and that puts a lot of pressure on the other outfield players. Its a difficult decision as to whether he starts or not.

Oliver Molloy
334 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:47:58
Jay,

You, of course will not admit to thinking you are superior to me on here, but there is no doubt that is what is in your own head.

Not the first time you have claimed someone is "infantile" when you get rattled by the truth.- Infantile, now there's a word, I had to google that to find out what it meant!

I think your arrogant admittance to ignoring my question paints the picture and proves exactly what I say, in your opinion I am not of your standard and are not deserving of your time, a bit like a few teachers I had back in the day.

I thought your comment to the poster Justin regards Olsen was as I say of your superior " I know better" attitude.
It was very brief ( strangely, what you accuse me of ) and I wanted to know what you really thought.
By the way I don't agree.

And now you tell me to fuck off, have basically said my posts or contributions are not of the standard you think they should be, once again you show your true self.
I can count myself lucky you are not in control of this forum presumably I would be banned if you were.

Unlike you, unless it is necessary I don't need to go on and on and on and on and on when I want to say something or give an opinion about a player or performance.

As I said I was grateful for your reply and it is MY OPINION that you are truly up your own arse !

Ajay Gopal
335 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:49:07
Ian (321), the point you make about Everton defending too deep is interesting. In the post match analysis - Paul Scholes said (and Michael Owen agreed) that defending deep has the advantage that attackers find it difficult to find space behind the defence, whereas the way Man United defended for the last goal, the defenders are running towards their own goal which makes them vulnerable to flick-ons and a stab at goal. The goal that we conceded was the result of a goalkeeping error, whereas our equalising goal was brought about by sheer panic by Man U defenders in spite of defending much higher up.
Christy Ring
336 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:49:44
Ian#321 Back criticising Gomes again, you said the same very early on this thread yesterday, completely disagree, his last two games have been impressive, and Davies played very well also.
Danny O’Neill
337 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:49:50
Your point on James is a good one Barry and one that has been debated over the years. Not necessarily just on here, but in general.

As we get better, you have to tolerate those who seemingly to the naked eye aren't "grafters". I don't put James in that category by the way; in my opinion he does graft, but more from a forward thinking view.

Better players graft in different ways than we have become accustomed to at Everton in recent decades. They do so with their brain, not brawn or chasing back. His reading of the game took 4 United players out of the picture with a simple pass forward in the build up to one of our goals. I would add that Tom Davies played the equally simple but effective pass to James just before that; equally good from Tom.

His timed run into the box allowed Doucoure to pick him out to score our second when otherwise it would have been clipped into a congested penalty area, that would likely have been easily defended.

I always remember the argument about John Barnes never being effective for England all of the time. I have vocally expressed my disconnection with international football but in that case, you could see the argument. When you have players of that quality, you have them on the pitch because of the 10 or 15 minutes of game changing quality they can provide rather than leave them out. In those 10 or 15 minutes, they can change or win games.

We are work in progress and very much in transition. Having players with James' quality is part of that.

Robert Workman
338 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:51:26
I just want to highlight one moment from the game. James Rodriguez receives the ball in a bit of space. He controls it, then drills it into the corner of the goal precisely where he wanted to put it. No hit and hope. Precision. Football genius.
Christy Ring
339 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:53:51
Come on City.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

340 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:57:39
Oliver.

Annnndddd...still no actual opinion offered on - yer know - the match. The football. The manager. The team. Individual players. The tactics.

Just presumptions, pouting and bitching against a single poster.

Bizarre sequence of posts.

Mike Gaynes
341 Posted 07/02/2021 at 17:57:50
Yes, Robert, and it wasn't an easy bit of control, either. Doucouré drilled the pass knee-high, but James took it down with a splendid first touch.
Danny O’Neill
342 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:03:15
Chatting on the general forum for week 23 Christy (Michael kept telling me off!!). We thought our keepers make mistakes. Oh dear Mr Allison.
Danny O’Neill
343 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:06:21
I said earlier though Mike, not many players would pick that pass out. A lot in Doucoure's position would have clipped it back into the congested mix.
Kim Vivian
344 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:11:47
Wow - that Foden is one one useful kid.
Mark Murphy
345 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:18:15
Man Citys website "This means four" Hahahahaha!
Simon Dalzell
346 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:21:02
Schadenfreudelicious. Alisson Blunderland.

Sky just robbed my ' joke ! '

Justin Doone
347 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:26:39
Olsen, best keeper in the Premier league!
Andy Crooks
348 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:37:50
Happy anniversary, Pete. Sounds like a brilliant day was had. It's mine today which, thankfully, I remembered. I forgot my 30th a couple of years ago which led to a bit of unpleasantess.
Still, you got a great present yesterday and I just checked the results on BBC and got mine today!!!
What a weekend.
Brian Murray
349 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:39:40
Danny, they have supposedly addressed the goalie problem we haven't had a chance to rectify ours. Watch us go then.
John McFarlane Snr
350 Posted 07/02/2021 at 18:47:20
Hi Peter [332] congratulations to you and your Young Lady on your anniversary, it's our 58th on the 16th of March, and I'll be putting that word into practise between now and then, you know the word I mean.
Christy Ring
351 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:10:56
Congratulations Peter to you and your good wife, and to John#350 hope you and your good lady can wet the shamrock! St Patrick's day on the 17th.
Thomas Richards
352 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:14:58
Nobody, but NOBODY expected a top 4 slot this season.
Almost an impossible task at the start of the season, but results are yo - yoing every week.
Aim for the moon, you may reach the stars
Jamie Crowley
353 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:17:43
Thomas - don't bother aiming for the moon, aim for what's barely out of arm's reach!

We are three points back of 4th with two games in-hand!!

It's time to think big dammit!

Thomas Richards
354 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:18:18
👍 Like it Jamie
Oliver Molloy
355 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:24:52
Robert @ 331, and Mike @ 341,

Agree, great pick out but so glad it was Rodriquez, maybe the only player we have in our side that could control that ball in the way , one touch and bang.
Rodriquez certainly is a very skilful footballer with an amazing first touch.

And don't forget Rodriquez started the passage of play which led to the goal when he just told Tom Davies to leave it and he played that pin point pass to Doucoure ( who nearly mis controlled it ) before laying it off.
Brilliant goal all round.

John McFarlane Snr
356 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:45:43
Hi Christy [351] thanks for your good wishes, I don't think the restrictions will be lifted for some time yet, last year our anniversary was the day we were supposed to play Liverpool, and I had made arrangements to meet up with John Boon, but his flight from Canada was cancelled because of the Covid 19 problem.
Dan Nulty
357 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:48:03
Only saw the highlights but from what I saw and the chat on here, really good to see/hear Davies played well. Really hope he can carry on improving.
Danny Broderick
358 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:48:47
Robert (338),

You are right, that for me was one of my favourite ever Everton goals for two reasons. Firstly, he was the only one of our players who would have had the composure in that situation to control the ball beautifully and then slot it in the bottom corner. I'm confident most of the others would have either miscontrolled it or blazed the shot over the bar. It was an exquisite piece of play.

Secondly, how many times have we disappointed away from home? Especially against the big teams. So much so, I still don't expect too much and at 2-0 down at half time, I was just happy we got a goal back and we're giving it a go. It was almost a surprise that it went in. Same with the last one.

I do feel that the mentality is changing. In Holgate, Mina and Godfrey, we've got a couple of narks in the team now. It was a joy to see Godfrey telling the United players where to go at the end! We've got proper squad rotation going on now. If anyone's levels drop, they're out, whether that's Pickford, Coleman, Sigurdsson - no one is exempt. As a result, the squad players are getting more games and giving it everything when they play. Tom Davies was outstanding yesterday.

Rodriguez makes me think we can win anywhere. There's no way he's got an inferiority complex going anywhere with the levels he's played at. His stats are putting last season's creative players to shame.

Like others have said, he's probably the best player we've had since Kanchelskis. Maybe that's harsh on Arteta, who was a hell of a player at his best. But he is certainly up there with Kanchelskis, Arteta, Pienaar, Lukaku as one of our best players of the PL era.

Bobby Mallon
359 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:49:59
Happy anniversary to all
Bobby Mallon
360 Posted 07/02/2021 at 19:55:57
John McFarland, 58 years, amazing. Made me remember my parents 60th bash great weekend. Hope you have had a great day.
Brendan McLaughlin
361 Posted 07/02/2021 at 20:05:49
John McFarland Snr #356

58 years...WOW! Remember on a previous thread you were reluctant to give your actual age away. Just curious...what age did you get married at?😊😊😊

Danny O’Neill
362 Posted 07/02/2021 at 20:33:12
What a married innings John Senior.

We are one year shy of our 30th. I spent a fair chunk of that time away, more than I would have chosen or cared for, but relationships are for life. Just like Everton.

So glad my long suffering wife can't here me saying that, but I can feel her looking.

Congratulations and I hope you get to celebrate this one in a befitting way.

Peter Mills
363 Posted 07/02/2021 at 20:54:12
Thank you all for the good wishes, they are very much appreciated.
Bill Gall
364 Posted 07/02/2021 at 20:54:41
Congratulations, John, hope things change, and you are allowed to spend time celebrating with your family and friends.

We had our 60th last month and the bubble and restrictions we were under, we had to celebrate alone. Most of the restrictions are caused by people not caring about the rules to try and end this pandemic, and don't realize the hardship they cause to other people.. Congratulations but slow down, you're catching up to me.

Dave Abrahams
365 Posted 07/02/2021 at 21:04:07
Peter (363), belated congratulations Peter, to you and your wife, I know Everton made the day perfect for you, so if you were happy that would make her happy as well, well done to both of you. Very best wishes.
Peter Mills
366 Posted 07/02/2021 at 21:05:51
John #350, I experienced just a little frisson of it earlier this evening!
Derek Knox
367 Posted 07/02/2021 at 21:48:37
Peter and John McF, Happy Anniversaries to you both!
Derek Knox
368 Posted 07/02/2021 at 21:54:32
Peter @ 332, meant to ask before, does Mrs Mills still play the piano? :-)
John McFarlane Snr
369 Posted 07/02/2021 at 21:56:11
Hi Bobby [360] thanks for your good wishes.

Hi Brendan [361] I was 24 years and 8 months old, we were courting for a year or so when she said "Don't you think it's time we got engaged" ? I answered "If you think so" another 18 months and the inevitable question was asked "Don't you think it's time we got married"? my stock reply applied. Whenever I spent too much time and money on Everton she'd say "I don't know why I married you" and I would reply " I don't know why you asked me"

Hi Bill [364] I think I got married too young, I should have had a wilder life.

Hi Peter [366] it's a wonderful feeling isn't it.

Hi Dave [365] I left a message for you on the pre-1992 thread.

Derek Knox
370 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:00:46
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mrs+mills+pianist&&view=detail&mid=8

Bit of Colin Crompton and Bernard Manning too!

Peter Mills
371 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:01:04
Thanks, Dave #365

Derek #368 - you just couldn't resist, could you? Yep, still tinkling away on the old Joanna!

Brendan McLaughlin
372 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:18:57
John Mc Snr #369

Thanks for sharing that but, at the risk of provoking another 1000 comment meltdown thread on ToffeeWeb, I think you got the much better part of the deal when you said yes!

Derek Knox
373 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:35:15
Peter @ 371, yes true, it is hard for me to pass up a gilt edged opportunity for a laugh, no offence meant by the way. It's just certain things trigger memories for me, and gets my brain going in to overdrive. Getting back to that 'era' as I recall, there were about 4 similar acts around who made it really big, and were very popular. Mrs Mills, Winifred Atwell, Russ Conway and Lieutenant Pigeon.

Though the latter was more comedic than musical, I think their only two hits were 'Mouldy Old Dough' and 'Desperate Dan' the lady that played the piano was one of the band's mother if I recall correctly. Mouldy Old Dough was a parody on the old Jazz theme Vo-de-O-do, sorry for the useless information but someone may be interested.

Bill Gall
374 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:37:03
Hi John #369,

I think I was having too wild a life, and getting married settled me down, I was 21 when I got married.

Brent Stephens
375 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:38:08
Derek, you could never cause offence to anybody deliberately. A wicked sense of humour!
Lester Yip
376 Posted 07/02/2021 at 22:52:29
Just want to point out that Carlo has his own thinking of when to substitute a player and how.

I remembered Richy was not playing well against Leeds but he was subbed out by Keane. Not a like for like change with King. I saw this as a thoughtful move to preserve Richarlison's pride.

Same in this match when commentators calling out James was not effective in the 1st half and could be subbed during half time. But he was not and produced such a beautiful 2nd goal. Then was taken off on the high rather than at the low. I know this doesn't necessarily work out every time but I think Carlo is a really good man-manager rather than a pure tactician.

Also, very happy with Unsy's work. You can see what's being instilled in our young players with the like of Calvert-Lewin, Kenny, Holgate, Davies. Some may make the grade, some won't. But their fighting spirits and grittiness are there.

For Richarlison, I know he sulks. But to jump to the conclusion that he doesn't want to play for us is premature. He's ambitious. Maybe he's simply not happy with himself and thinks he can do better.

Also, after watching "The Last Dance" about Michael Jordan, the pro's mindset can be different from us. Michael even made up things that had not happened to incite himself to raise his own performance. Richarlison is just in the form re-discovering period rather that his head has turned. He will start scoring goals again.

COYB

Neil Copeland
377 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:00:53
Congratulations Peter M and John McF.

Derek, I used to love that tune “Mouldy Old Dough”, not heard it for yonks. A very good all round weekend for you I presume with Scotland winning at Twickenham.

Bill Watson
378 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:02:17
Happy Anniversary, Peter and John. What a great weekend you've had!
Christy Ring
379 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:12:40
John McFarlane, if the restrictions are still in place, nothing to stop you and your good lady from having a little Jameson on your anniversary for St Patrick!
Peter Mills
380 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:14:39
Derek, of course no offence. I hope you are well.

Anyway, a wise man once said to me:- “Offence cannot be given. It can only be offered. It is up to us whether we take it or not”.

Bill Watson
381 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:17:20
Congratulations to you and your wife, too, Andy.

I never listen to the RS on the radio but, very tentatively, switched it on around 7:30 and then had an entertaining couple of hours listening to the phone-in inquest!

Neil Copeland
382 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:30:17
Andy, congratulations to you too!
Andy Crooks
383 Posted 07/02/2021 at 23:33:46
DK, Lieutenant Pigeon were originally called Stavely Makepeace. Before changing their name and getting one of the band's mum to play piano they appeared on TotP and had a minor hit with a song called "Edna".

Edna are twin sisters
Edna 1 and Edna 2
Charlstoneing with a boa
Yodelay ee oo

Brian Wilkinson
384 Posted 08/02/2021 at 00:27:11
Oldham Athletic still play Mouldy Old Dough, for their home games.
Brian Wilkinson
385 Posted 08/02/2021 at 00:32:06
Cambridge Utd must have the most unusual one, I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts.
Phil Lewis
386 Posted 08/02/2021 at 00:52:30
I've just caught the end of this thread before I nod off. Brought back great memories of my youth with a mention of Lieutenant Pigeon.

I used to love Top of the Pops then. You'd get every genre pop song of the day, the occasional obscure American act, and these wonderfully weird novelty acts such as this old mum playing 'Mouldy Ould Dough' on piano.

Who remembers ukelele playing Tiny Tim, with Miss Lily at his side singing a falsetto 'Tiptoe through the Tulips'? Or Whistling Jack Smith, whistling his way through, 'I was Kaiser Bill's Batman'?

My personal favourite, The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, performing their classic tune, 'Do the Trouser Press Baby'. The unforgettable time when 'The Crazy World of Arthur Brown' almost set the studio alight in the late '60s when performing their hit 'Fire'!! English eccentricity at its best. Sadly a dying art form. Had me and my teenage mates in stitches.

By the way, just noticed the fixtures for our last game of the season. Man City away! A title decider between us or what?

Listen, if a fella whistling could make number one in the charts, then don't tell me I'm whistling in the dark!

Justin Doone
387 Posted 08/02/2021 at 01:04:02
Congratulations to all blues all over the world! I don't read all comments but caught a few about my opinion on Olsen not making any mistakes.

Without being too petty as it's true we all make mistakes I'll make it clearer, I don't think Olsen has made any 'clangers', BIG errors. I don't blame him for any Utd goals.

I for one wouldn't have blamed Pickford for the goals but I understand some may as some blame Olsen. Nothing wrong with differing opinions.

I enjoy great goals. Utds 2nd was one of them as was James' touch and finish.

I understand footwork is one of Pickfords strengths. He's got quicker more nimble footwork.

In terms of kicking, Olsen has been pretty accurate and I don't recall many going out of touch unlike Pickford who often sends kicks out of play.

Small margins, I think they are both good keepers but Olsen is steady, Pickford edgy.

Pickford hasn't improved or matured as much as I had hoped but probably still a few year's away from being of steady goalkeeping age.

The modern game, more possession based, keepers being involved more, sweeper keeper etc doesn't help keepers to stay calm and think.

They say keepers, more than any other position have a few loose screws. But mental strength and concentration is so important. Maybe he needs help tightening one or two.

I would like to see Olsen given a run of 6 or 7 games to really judge him but he's not our player permanently and so isn't as straight forward. As ever, I trust Carlo knows best.

Derek Knox
388 Posted 08/02/2021 at 02:35:39
Brian @384/5 That's interesting about Oldham Athletic (Joe Royle connection) who use it (M O D) for their signature tune.

Come to think of it, we could have used that at Goodison a few times, some of the shite that has been served up and on display. Thankfully that's in the past, new era, new hope and new horizons now.

Without sounding sexist, I wonder if the Ladies Women's Team have thought about using "We've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts"? Just a thought. :-)

Graham Hammond
389 Posted 08/02/2021 at 02:42:48
Derek Knox #388, an absolutely disgusting sexist final comment, you are awful, but I like you!
Morris Kruger
390 Posted 08/02/2021 at 08:41:13
I was feeling so good... How many times have we been beaten or drawn with last kick of the day? (The nightmare gift to Liverpool by Pickford to cost us the game will haunt for years to come...)

As an afterthought, Ken Buckley used to write such fabulous reports on the game in his articles “From my seat”. How is he? I can only imagine what a wonderful report he would have done on that match.

I hope he is well and will consider returning to delight us all with his insightful and humorous reports.

Regards to all Toffee supporters from a diehard Evertonian in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Annika Herbert
391 Posted 08/02/2021 at 08:41:41
Justin @ 387, agree with those comments I have to say. I personally hope we target a new keeper for next season.
Tony Waring
392 Posted 08/02/2021 at 09:38:08
Goalkeeping clangers ! Look no further than Anfield.
Len Hawkins
393 Posted 08/02/2021 at 09:42:55
The talk of Evertonian Clergy I used to work with an RS supporter, but in fairness to him he was a great bloke who followed them everywhere and you could have loads of good hearted banter with him.
Well he was one of those blokes a big amiable Irishman who could talk himself into anywhere, I often used to watch the Queens Christmas Day message not because I was particularly interested but just to see if Timmy was sat in the room while she was recorded.
Anyway he somehow got himself into Shankley's Funeral service and in his Eulogy the Priest proclaimed that Everton's day will come again which it did with HK's glorious team.

Someone on here may have heard the story from someone who was there 40 years ago I can only remember the "day will come again " bit I'm not sure what else was said. That was the days when actual Human Beings watched Liverpool not bandwagon jumpers.

Paul A Smith
394 Posted 08/02/2021 at 10:58:23
Yet again yestetday, Pickford was mentioned during commentry in th red shite game.

I am total sick of the weekly reminder now and I think Everton should refuse interviews until its dealt with by the club.

Derek Knox
395 Posted 08/02/2021 at 11:12:41
Annika, @ 391, Good question/point about keepers there, I think if we are serious about being contenders again, any team has to have a decent defence, which starts from between the sticks. Look at any side who has won the Premiership, none have won with a dodgy keeper, less alone Cups which are more one-off games on the day.

I am not sure when Pickford's contract expires, or if we could offload him before that, or if anyone would be interested, just because he is considered England's Number One at this moment in time, doesn't guarantee anything. Look at the paths of Paul Robinson and Joe Hart. I do feel more comfortable with Olsen but don't think overall, he is the ultimate answer either.

Donnarumma has often been linked to us, with Carlo's connections, slightly younger than Pickford, but never tried at Premiership level, but I think he would be a pair of safe hands who will improve too. Then there's Rui Silva, another whose name has been linked to us recently. It will be interesting as with other positions to see how things unfold after the next Big Window.

Christopher Timmins
396 Posted 08/02/2021 at 11:30:37
A good result on Saturday evening and to come back from 2 - 0 and 3 - 2 showed character.

James showed his undoubted class in the execution of his goal and DCL never stops going and never lets a miss upset him. Special mention also for Tom Davis who put in a huge shift and showed that he can contribute when called upon.

I expect more rotation but would prefer to see a stable central defensive partnership start to develop when we are back to a one game a week schedule.

A very important two weeks ahead starting with Spurs in the Cup on Wednesday and finishing with the Derby on Saturday week. If we are still in the Cup and have accumulated an additional 5 points in the League when the referee calls time on Saturday week I would take it.

We are not perfect but we are getting better and there is a lot still to play for as we approach the final third of the season.

Colin Malone
397 Posted 08/02/2021 at 13:47:32
Michael, 322. According to the website, Besic is a squad player, number 30.

I've been watching Everton for 50 years and I've seen some pearlers, ie Brett Angel, Alan Biley, Ferguson from Coventry, they where bad but I wouldn't put Mo Besic in that category.
Bill Gall
398 Posted 08/02/2021 at 14:34:47
Listened to a number of these so called pundits last night and today and I think it is time that either an apology is made (will never happen ) or they stop mentioning the Pickford VVD incident, The reason is they all say the same thing about Utds keeper on Evertons 3rd goal. HE SHOULD HAVE TOOK THE BALL AND THE PLAYER OUT.
Going on them comments it seems ok to take out a knight but not a king how hypocritical can you get.
Brian Wilkinson
399 Posted 08/02/2021 at 14:56:35
Speaking of Ive got a lovely bunch of coconuts, had virgils knee been a couple of inches closer, he could have done some damage to Pickfords Crown Jewels.

I see no difference to Virgil having his foot straight and planted in the turf, to that of when Gomes studs got stuck in the turf as the Spurs player made contact.

Yet we as a team went into the Spurs dressing room to console Son with dignity.

Our neighbours however became the victims and let every man and dog know that Pickfords tackle was the worst since football began, and never let it drop.

Class by Everton, just what you come to expect from our neighbours,shithouses, each and everyone of them and the media.

Thomas Richards
400 Posted 08/02/2021 at 15:03:10
Very well said Brian.

The last paragraph especially.

Roger Helm
401 Posted 08/02/2021 at 17:56:11
Speaking of dressing rooms, it always made me laugh when RS players appeared on TV advertising their male grooming products. What dickheads they looked! As if they didn't have enough money already.
Dale Self
402 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:04:58
Roger that! I can't help but think they get coached on how to do product placement and plugs. You never hock alone.
Thomas Richards
403 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:09:56
There keeper is advertising thermal socks
Brent Stephens
404 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:12:52
Thomas - cracker!
Dale Self
405 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:16:05
No VVD hairnets? Damnit.
Paul A Smith
406 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:18:36
398 well said Bill Gall. I am glad someone else mentioned an issue that has been made of an unlucky incident and is becoming the theme of everything that ever gets mentioned about us.

Its bad enough our so called local paper links us with players they wouldn't dream of mentioning around Liverpool targets, regardless of how their form is.

I don't like Pickford but no way does he deserve the pathetic commentry every single week since the Derby, doing their best to make out he has all but ended Liverpools plans single handedly.

Its about time someone stood up for him and taught the pundits a thing or two about double standards.

Tony Everan
407 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:19:50
Don't remember big Neville ever having cold tootsies !

Allison is metaphorically (and possibly literally) half the man.

Thomas Richards
408 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:22:46
Agree

Good post Bill.
Be doing Pickfords state of mind no good either with constant reminders from the media.

When one of their fans tells me Pickford cost them the league I give the same reply every time.

"Great isn't it"

Rob Halligan
409 Posted 08/02/2021 at 18:44:36
Bill # 398. Just imagine for one moment, the European championships final this year, England v Holland. England are 2-1 up with a minute to go, and Pickford finds himself again facing Virgin Van Dick, only this time Van Dick has the same situation DCL found himself in against United the other night. Pickford comes out, take man, ball and puts Van Dick out of action again. All done legitimately of course. England go on to win and the media are lavish in their praise of Pickford for "doing the right thing" and taking Van Dick out to prevent a goal, and Pickford becomes a national hero!!

But of course, Virgin Van Dick won't be at the finals, because I believe he's out injured!!

Barry Thompson
410 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:05:19
Van Dick injured - when did that happen as I wasn't aware of it Rob.
Brian Murray
411 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:14:23
Barry, same sniper that got their striker in the first half on sunday. Our thoughts and prayers do with him.
John Skelly
412 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:15:38
Great comment Rob I didn't think of that sinario but would love to see it.
Rob Halligan
413 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:27:19
Barry, I believe it happened on Saturday 17th October 2020 at about 12.41pm, or so sky, BT sport and everyone else keeps on informing us!!
Neil Copeland
414 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:29:54
Personally, I think Pickford should be knighted as he has clearly done the whole country a massive service in “levelling the playing field”.
Brian Murray
415 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:42:50
If van dyke achieved what he was sent out to do in the last derby then James season would already be over. Vigil for Virgil my arse.
Rob Halligan
416 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:48:11
Brian, very true. If Michael Oliver had done his job properly and sent off Van Dick for his cynical challenges on James and DCL, then he would have only missed one game, and not most of the season.
Andy Walker
417 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:48:26
I hate to point this out, by Pickford didn't touch the ball when he clattered Van Dijk.. He just took the man out. He got lucky and wasn't sent off because the officials fortunately fecked up. Can we please stop being as bad as them lot, I think we're better than that.
John Boon
418 Posted 08/02/2021 at 19:57:46
I'm still on cloud (6) realising that (9) would mean I was being OVER joyful about the mere draw with Man U. Yesterday for 90 plus minutes I was a Man C supporter and I watched a different game to Klippidy Klopp. Somehow he thought it was close. I thought his RSers were well and truly battered and other than the "Salah Swan Dive", along with one of the worst penalties ever taken it should have been more.

BUT..this week Everton can put me on Cloud (9) with a simple task. Beat Spurs and Fulham and give every True Blue a much deserved "Special" week. Not much to ask for but we will still have to improve on the Man U performance.

I know we are in a relatively good position and we are doing Okay but with effort effort and more effort, along with a generous dose of skill we can can do even better.AND we may even get right to the top by beating CITY in ten days time...Please !!!

Barry Thompson
419 Posted 08/02/2021 at 20:00:38
Can't believe I missed it Rob, looks like I will have to turn the sound on when I'm watching Sky, BT and MOTD from now on. Ruined my night that has, I'm so upset I was almost able to stifle my laughter. I get the joke now about Pickford's Van Removals.
Kevin Prytherch
420 Posted 08/02/2021 at 20:16:39
Andy 417 - have another look. Pickford took the ball before the man. 30 years ago that was good goalkeeping...
Stephen Vincent
421 Posted 08/02/2021 at 20:35:40
Any one seen the Laurel and Hardy skit on Klopp really really funny.
Neil Copeland
422 Posted 08/02/2021 at 20:48:49
Stephen #421, yes it's brilliant.
Michael Kenrick
423 Posted 08/02/2021 at 23:01:25
Colin @ 397,

Although we list Mo Besic as being in our squad, he is only to the extent that Everton hold his registration. But he hasn't been listed by Everton with the Premier League for playing games this season, and so is not eligible to play. Carlo cannot select him. Not that he even wants to, I'm sure. It was a deliberate attempt to get him to find another club.

Kevin Prytherch
424 Posted 09/02/2021 at 01:12:39
Michael - 423 - Both Besic and Broadhead were added to the squad for the second half of the season so are both eligible if Ancelotti sees fit. Doubt he will but he is in the squad now.
Derek Knox
425 Posted 09/02/2021 at 02:35:25
Kevin, Stephen, Neil and others, how many times with reference to 'Stan and Ollie' have we all said, of previously recent departed managers, "That's Another Fine Mess You Have got Us Into"? Hmm. :-)
Dave Abrahams
426 Posted 09/02/2021 at 09:55:59
Kevin (424), I didn't know Broadhead had been added to the squad, interesting, I always liked this kid, got a football brain, scored at Goodison when we played the team from South Africa, does a good job without you noticing it, I'd play him before Iwobi as a sub because the lad would be showing for the ball and not wasting it when he got it, knows where the net is as well. With Iwobi you are always taking a chance: Too often on the outside looking in, instead of getting involved completely.
Lester Yip
427 Posted 09/02/2021 at 10:33:42
Just watched the replay of Liverpool and Man City. I feel Pickford is not a bad keeper after all! LOL.
Brian Wilkinson
428 Posted 09/02/2021 at 15:18:16
While we are on the subject of Twitter abuse on players, whether racism,homophobic,Mentel Health, bullying, everyone of the media and people in the game are condemning this and want tougher measures.

So why is the constant bullying, death threats etc, being allowed to be discussed on national television and media Every Day on Jordan Pickford by ex professional players.

All this must be having an effect on Pickfords Mental health, so why is this still acceptable and why have Everton not stood up for the player, and made a complaint to the Premier league.

Andy Walker
429 Posted 09/02/2021 at 20:13:32
Kevin 420, go on YouTube watch it in slow motion again as you can on the you tube settings, it's absolutely clear that Pickford didn't touch the ball at all. 100% clear, no doubt, no ball just the man. Fact.
Andy Walker
430 Posted 09/02/2021 at 20:18:09
Here's a link to it Kevin, as I say set the YouTube playback settings to 25% there's no doubt at all. VD connected with the ball and then Pickford took him out.

I agree at full speed it's hard to spot, nit in slow mo though.

https://youtu.be/wQOrkvDTw0g

Kevin Prytherch
431 Posted 10/02/2021 at 14:19:18
Sorry Andy. VD touches it, then it comes off Pickfords outstretched leg, then Pickford takes VD out.
Andy Walker
432 Posted 13/02/2021 at 12:01:14
Not a chance, Kevin, Pickford's foot doesn't get near the ball.

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