Richarlison was dismissed near the end for a ridiculous challenge on Thiago
Exactly 10 years to the day since their last Merseyside derby victory, Premier League leaders Everton face local rivals Liverpool at Goodison Park with a full-strength side looking to extend their 100% start to the season.
Carlo Ancelotti is able to call on all his star players, with only Nkounkou missing from the bench, where new signings Robin Olsen and Ben Godfrey are in the matchday squad for the first time.
Liverpool kicked off and Van Dijk sown made his mark on James Rodriguez. Liverpool attacked with pace down the left and Mane lashed the ball past Pickford. A dreadful start for the Blues.
Everton tried to respond but, as soon as Liverpool got the ball, they surged forward and threatened again, the Blues all over the place, giving away a corner, from which Van Dijk tried to get around at the far post and Pickford thundered into him to get the ball behind but he was called offside. VAR took a long long look at it, and confirmed the offside, likely saving a penalty call against Everton's erratic keeper.
Calvert-Lewin tried to advance down the right but the build-up was far too slow to be effective. But Everton at least had some possession, as Van Dijk was deemed unfit to carry on, Gomez replacing him.
Digne got a cross in but Calvert-Lewin jumped a little too early and headed over. But another Liverpool attack had Everton all at sixes and sevens, until Firmino headed behind. But the visitors continued to dictate the pace of the game with the Blues looking shell-shocked and lost.
Playing out from the back, Digne had to scoop the ball up to Calvert-Lewin who took it down superbly to work a shot but then scuffed it terribly as he was flagged offside.
A poor ball from Rodriguez was way too far ahead of Richarlison. But Calvert-Lewin was played in right and driven wide before shooting at Adrian. From the corner, Keane headed home superbly through Adrian's hands.
A terrible giveaway by Allan allowed Liverpool to advance but Salah's shot was easy meat for Pickford.
A free-kick awarded against a rash high boot by Gomes was argued against by the Blues to no avail, was driven toward the top corner by Alexander-Arnold but Jordan gets across superbly to push it behind.
Calvert-Lewin headed down a clearance perfectly to Rodriguez but a dreadful touch from the great man allowed Liverpool to attack. Everton were resorting to the long ball as a way over the high press that was continually thwarting them in midfield.
Everton did a better job of winning back possession, Richarlison looking strangely sloppy trying to control the ball and getting fouled. Coleman was uncomfortable and needed attention, but his hamstring was injured and he had to give way to Ben Godfrey.
Mane beat Godfrey to set up Thiago for a firm strike that sailed just wide of Pickford's goal. A move like their first goal almost came off for the Reds, Mane sidefooting wide fro a very good Robertson cross as the pendulum swung back relentlessly in their favour, Allan struggling and giving up a free-kick against Mane. Godfrey stuck in well to clear for a corner that Everton defended away.
A good free-kick opportunity for Everton from a foul on Rodriguez was headed back into space by Mina to no-one and picked up by the Reds who were instantly down the other end.
Somehow, Everton failed to score from a much sharper move that saw a great cross deflected away from Richarlison. At the other end, another lightning Liverpool attack saw Henderson screw the ball away from goal when it looked ominously easier to score.
Godfrey did incredibly well to wriggle free and feed Rcharlison whose shot was very poor, lamely struck over the bar. Allan gave the ball away again to let Liverpool build, James forced into a difficult challenge on Mane which led to a very dangerous free-kick on the corner of the area that was headed away and then blocked by Godfrey, Everton this time springing the counter.
A long throw by Digne was really poor but led to a late corner as Adrian parried behind but a poor delivery from Rodriguez curled behind on it's way over. Another Liverpool attack ended a difficult half for Everton who had really not clicked at all, with Rodriguez, Allan and Doucouré all below par.
Everton resumed but Liverpool built the first attack, Firmino firing over from distance. Another rapid red move from aa failed Everton attack saw Henderson lash the ball over.
An absolutely wonderful ball out of nothing from Rodriguez to Digne on a sixpence had Liverpool on the back foot and the low cross was perfect for Calvert-Lewin to tap in past Adrian... only he missed it completelY!
A terrible giveaway by Mina after a good sequence of Everton passing led to a bizarre sequence where Mina pushed Roberston over, and he kicked out at Allan. VARdid not seem to see anything wrong with it... six of one?
Gomes made a horrible clearance straight to a Liverpool player that was fortunately not punished, but Everton were still in the game, and starting to move the ball around a little better, a brilliant ball by Rodriguez found Richarlison at the far post... how did he not score??? Because he hit the post, point-blank with Adrian surely beaten, but was he pushed at the critical final moment?
Another Liverpool attack is put behind by Digne and the corner defended away by a good header from Calvert-Lewin. Nice Blues passing was spoilt when Gomes needlessly whacked it way too hard.
Things opened up for James through the middle and his shot almost beat Adrian. From the Digne long throw, Richarlison skied it into the deserted Gwladys Street. Mane was shown yellow for a clumsy foul on Digne. Allan dispossessed Salah with consummate brilliance in the Everton area.
Gomes went in the book for a needless foul on Thiago. With something needed and Sigurdsson coming on for Gomes, Mina cleared the ball straight to Salah who lashed the ball into the far corner of the net. Abysmal defending from the Columbian.
Keane found Calvert-Lewin with a geat forward ball that he took well on his chest but the defender got a touch to deny him a chance. Liverpool attached again, and Keane did well to thwart Salah at the expense of a corer and Matip's header was a goal all the way but for an absolutely top-draw save by Pickford.
Liverpool created acres of space for Salah who had another snapshot, but straight at Pickford and he pulled out another good stop. At the other end, a fine cross from Digne and this time Calvert-Lewin timed his prodigious leap perfectly, directing it accurately away from Adrian and just inside the post, a fantastic goal.
Keystone cops at the other end, Pickford blocking well and Mane bizarrely glancing a goalbound shot beyond the far post. Everton attacked but Rodriguez went down, clipped by Firmino and Richarlison messed up a chance at the other end. Cards for Firmino and Allan.
Everton knew they needed to take it to the Reds but Rodriguez's cross to Adrian was woeful when he should have done much better. Liverpool went up the other end and won another dangerous free-kick, Alexander-Arnold whipping it wide of the near post.
A dreadful foul by Richarlison on Thiago after Mina had fouled Firmino saw the Everton player shown a red card, after he tried to avoid it by staying down, a ridiculous challenge by the Brazilian.
Liverpool attacked frenetically in the last 5 minutes, Hendersen driving his shot through Pickford to win the game for the hated Reds but Mane looked offide as he crossed and VAR disallowed it. Incredible.
It still wasn't over, Iwobi winning a clever free-keep deep into stoppage time. Rodriguez swung it too far and the whistle finally went on a really disappointing Everton performance with Liverpool there for the taking, and chances that will be rued.
Everton: Pickford, Coleman (32' Godfrey), Keane, Mina, Digne, Allan [Y:85'], Doucouré (77' Iwobi), Gomes [Y:69'] (71' Sigurdsson), Rodriguez [Y:45'], Richarlison [R:89'], Calvert-Lewin.
Subs not Used: Olsen, Delph, Davies, Bernard.
Liverpool: Adrian, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk (11' Gomez), Robertson, Henderson, Fabinho [Y:85'] (90' Wijnaldum), Thiago, Salah, Firmino (77' Jota), Mane [Y:67'].Subs not Used: Kelleher, Milner, Jones, Minamino.
Kick-off: 12:30pm, Saturday 17 October, 2020
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: David Coote
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1 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:32:00
2 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:32:14
3 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:33:39
4 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:34:41
5 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:35:43
6 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:36:51
7 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:38:19
It's all about attitude â€“ the ballsiest team will win!
8 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:39:03
9 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:42:17
10 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:44:34
Although at 3/1, I'm having some of that.
11 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:46:01
12 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:49:27
13 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:50:35
14 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:56:49
I think Calvert-Lewin will make all the difference due to his physical stature which will cause problems for their defense that they are not used to.
3-1 to the mighty blues!
15 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:57:42
16 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:06:52
17 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:10:45
18 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:11:15
We now have strong tacklers who won't be standing back looking admiringly at the opposition. I'm bloody nervous & excited & hoping that this will be our day...
19 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:14:04
Keep our composure and put our chances away and we will win this, but we will have to play a near perfect game, with no passengers.
20 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:15:40
What has proven to be a very good Spurs outfit barely got a kick or a chance against us. Immediately in that game we saw the pattern of play that has stood us in good stead for all 7 wins this season.
Solid back line. Both full-backs supporting the attack well. Allan and DoucourÃ© filling the gaps as Digne and Coleman steam forward. Gomes and James drawing teams to them then completely switching play to the opposite, more open flank. Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison on fire.
The opposition find it difficult to track and defend our rotating players, not knowing which line of attack we will go at them.
Go behind to WBA, Palace and Brighton draw level with us? No hands on hips, no looking sheepishly at the ground rather than look your team mates in the eye. Just pick the ball out of the net, place it on the centre spot...and twat them out of sight.
Liverpool is the team with the problems. They wobbled in the final third of last season, coughing up 2 goals v struggling West Ham, 3 to relegated Watford, 4 to Man City, 3 at home to Chelsea. Similar this season. 3 at home to newly promoted Leeds, 7 away to nearly-relegated Villa.
It takes a lot of drilling to have a defence operating smoothly. Klopp has had zero time to address that horror show at Villa. That day, Barkley and Grealish, in their first game together, totally bossed the playground. They were lucky it was only 7.
We have similar and better players to do the same.
It's time, Everton. It's time.
21 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:20:11
If our first 11 are all fully fit then we have no reason to fear them. In saying that, they have potentially their best 11 out apart from the Goalie, so it's going to be tough.
22 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:27:49
23 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:31:52
Now have it up on hesgoal which sometimes drops out and needs refreshing but ok.
24 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:40:56
25 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:01:34
26 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:02:01
27 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:22:53
Liverpool looking strong today but we are better than what we've seen so far.
All to play for.
28 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:26:52
Lack of pace in midfield a concern. We can get something, but will have to buck up, quite lethargic and ponderous first half.
29 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:26:54
Michael Keane looks the only composed player on the ball. The rest are playing with a brain fog. James and Richy just not on it.
Poor control. Poor positioning. Poor passing. Poor challenges.
Allan and Doucoure are being given the run around in midfield. Sad that the long ball up to Dom is the most 'creative' we have been.
Hopefully, a good half-time headshake will see us improve after the break.
We need to.
30 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:36:25
Calamity Pickford got lucky on Van Dijk, very lucky... how long do we stick with this overweight joker?
So many of our players look half-asleep, the RS look there for the taking but our movement off the ball is poor again and so our passing is rank once more.
Gomes too slow, upgrade needed. Allan looks out of sorts, Richarlison too sadly.
Godfrey looks like a star in the making though, stood his ground and Henderson got it in the gob, happy days, love him already. Step up, Everton, wake up, believe and take all three points.
31 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:43:55
32 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:55:22
33 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:12:34
34 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:27:38
35 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:35:07
Pickford's challenge was a red card all the way. Rodriguez, Allan, DoucourÃ©, Gomes all off the pace in the one game we needed them to perform.
Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.
Richarlison. I totally despair. How did he miss the header? Why did he dive in like that?
Maddening that we can't beat these shitheads... even when the ref and VAR are on our side for once!
36 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:35:33
That said, we also missed two excellent chances against one of the top sides in the world.
Keane, Digne and Calvert-Lewin stood out.
I'll take that, thank you very much.
37 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:37:41
38 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:37:57
Did we deserve to lose? â€“ Maybe no!
Was the referee okay? â€“ No, he was a one-sided heap of shite. So one-sided and stupid, he red carded Richarlison. Fuckwhit of a referee Michael Oliver!
39 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:38:31
A bit disappointed that we didn't really play our own game and looked a bit panicked in possession but give the others some credit â€“ they make a lot of teams look poor.
Thought AndrÃ© had a dog of a day, right from the first minute. He lost the ball easily and then was weak in a challenge in the lead up to their goal. Gylfi undoubtedly comes in â€“ at least we've got some depth there.
Richarlison no good on the day. Maybe traveling around the world doesn't help. Not sure about the foul yet â€“ didn't look a red in real time but looked poor in slow motion.
Calvert-Lewin â€“ no service and still scored a beauty.
Mina is Mina. Misplaced passes and a terrible clearance for the second goal. He's an obvious one to replace.
If he is replaced, I think we saw enough in Godfrey today. That was a horrible job he was given today and he did pretty well. Lots to like.
Overall, thank fuck that's over. Let's go again.
40 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:38:41
41 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:41:51
Much, much improved in the 2nd half. Much more confident on the ball. Much better with our passing and possession.
We were clearly the better side, creating genuine chances, when Salah scored against the run of play. It wasn't just down to Mina's poor clearance. There were missed challenges and poor closing down in the build up to that goal.
After missing a near tap-in, what a prodigious leap by Dom for his equalising header.
And after today, is anyone knocking VAR?
Pickford and Keane were my standouts today. I can see Sigurdsson usurping Gomes for a starting spot. Mario now has a selection conundrum anyway after Richarlison's totally unnecessary red card.
Frustrated we didn't break the abysmal winless streak today. Disappointed with some individual performances, but still encouraged that we came back twice from behind to gain a point.
Still unbeaten. Still top of the table. Still room for improvement.
42 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:42:43
43 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:42:58
We played poorly, still they couldn't beat us. Relax, the times they are a-changing! Couldn't happen to a nicer wanker than Henderson too!
Thought the ref was excellent too! Let's give it to 'em all week!!
Funny old game, footy! ... Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
44 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:43:53
45 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:44:01
As for the moaning of the RS, let's drink it in.
46 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:45:14
With Richarlison suspended, hopefully Bernard can get a look in... for a few games at least.
And definitely Godfrey over Mina in the next game against Southampton.
47 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:46:03
I mean Carlo of course.
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48 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:47:12
49 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:48:54
We got away with it. Van Dijk looked to take a couple of our lads out so justice was done for me.
And I haven't disliked an RS like Robertson for years. Scumbag.
This was a point gained!!! Enjoy the after-match moan-in.
50 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:17
I turned the TV off right away when they scored, but it looks like I had little faith and we got a precious point from one of the most powerful Dark Sides ever. It was pretty close call for an all-out all-night drinking session but, with the fairly good news, I'm going to concentrate on music.
51 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:20
I thought that Richarlison was hard done in getting sent off as he appeared to get a very slight touch on the ball and, as in the earlier case between Pickford and Van Dijk, it was a matter of both players moving towards the ball.
On the upside, we can improve so much more.
52 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:43
Negative: We should've scored at least two more with some glaring misses and the post coming to their rescue.
Positive: Pickford made at least four great saves to keep us in it, especially diving to tip out that free-kick in the first half and with his feet to deny Mane late on.
Negative: Pickford could've gifted them the winner in injury time with a soft Henderson goal until it was unbelievably ruled out for offside. Am I being too harsh on him or should he have stopped that without it looping over?
Positive: The team showed some mental strength to claw their way back twice and, for a period in the second half, were bossing the game.
Negative: The whole midfield and Mina and Richarlison looked like they had suffered from the international break, with no-one (even James) up to the standard they had set before.
How many games is Richarlison out for now?
53 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:55:39
Richarlison definitely got the ball, but I'm sure the red was for catching him full on the shin with his studs in the follow-through.
54 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:56:05
Having said that, crocking that twat Van Dijk and them having a win plucked from their grasp by the width of an armpit hair at the death makes me smile!!
They will now be feeling how we've felt loads of times in this game... and that makes me smile too.
Unreasonable? Bitter? Childish? Guilty as charged!
55 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:56:24
56 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:57:37
VAR is ruining the game â€“ Good!
57 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:58:37
58 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:59:50
59 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:00:16
That said, VAR froze after the ball was kicked, not as it was kicked. It's the reason that VAR is nowhere near as accurate as they think. Should be a margin of error but in this instance Mane was further offside than they made it look.
Just quietly, I think VAR got Pickford off the hook. Made great saves (including an unbelievable one from Matip) but two big calls went his way today.
60 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:00:55
Dodgy Malaysian stream.
Give up at 2-1. Hop back onto the Live Forum. 2-2.
Hop back onto stream. 3-2. Log off in disgust.
Check the result. 2-2 :)
Godfrey looked good! At least that's that over with. We didn't lose and they'll be bitter about not winning. So that feels like a win.
Onwards and upwards and hopefully Gomes can have better games.
Hope Seamus recovers soon but happy with Godfrey, very impressive.
61 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:01:10
62 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:01:22
63 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:02:29
I've asked when the protest march is and if they are doing an online petition.
What goes around comes around...
64 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:02:42
The Red media seem livid at the luck we got but, for me, that makes it all the more sweet. It's hilarious. ðŸ˜‚
65 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:01
Now for the Rugby League Cup Final!
66 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:09
If we'd had Theo rather than him today, we'd have lost four-nil.
67 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:31
68 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:04:26
69 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:04:36
70 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:06:14
71 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:08:26
Rodriguez's last set piece of the game was a bit of a let-down; I would have thought he'll put the ball in better.
Gomes's contributions in the game were poor; Sigurdsson would be challenging for a spot.
Richarlison's red card was needless, and it does mean that he'll be out of the next two games; hopefully we can see Bernard or Iwobi step up to the plate.
Godfrey looks like he'll do well, and put some pressure on Mina; Keane continues to do well.
It's good that Calvert-Lewin manages to keep his scoring streak; I thought he should have made better plays, eg, in the first half, to wait for his teammates so that he can lay the ball off to, rather than the tame shot. I reckon we need strikers to keep trying, though in tight games, chances are a premium.
The main thing I feel we have taken away from, is that we managed to get the point, even though we were below par.
72 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:10:23
The Carlo Revolution is well under way.
73 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:12:02
We played with ten men for 70 minutes and finished with 10 men because of Richarlison's stupidity, he had a poor game to go with it. Pickford kept us in the game but was at fault for their, ultimately, offside goal.
I think it was the worst we've played all season and the game proved we are still a couple of men short of being one of the contenders for league honours, but you can see we are getting there and Ben will help us get there.
I believe Klopp is doing his nut in the post-match interview.
74 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:13:08
Graham Poll and Don Hutchinson's goal.
Martin Atkinson and Jack Rodwell's red card.
Mark Clattenburg and Tony Hibbert red card, Kuyt's unpunished waist-high challenge on Neville, Carragher's foul on Lescott.
Stevie G's unpunished two-footed jump tackle into Gary Naismith.
I could go on.
I wonder if Klopp is familiar with the word 'schadenfreude'?
75 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:20
Obviously people are frustrated because there's this foreboding sense of "If not now, when?" But... we take the point and move on to next week. Still unbeaten, still top of the table. Take care of business against Southampton and we're cooking with gas again.
And I'll certainly take the VAR assist, but speaking objectively, it's encountering the same issues that the NFL did in the nascent days of instant replay. The point is to overturn egregious calls, not to comb through the footage frame-by-frame, trying to determine if a guy's elbow tip is a fraction of a millimeter offside. A little bit of common sense would go a long way in these matters.
76 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:36
This was a very big result for us, make no mistake. Occasions like today can reveal themselves as turning points, once the noise dies down and we look back on it.
77 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:38
We were off the pace first half, but improved in the second. I thought Micheal Keane was MotM, Dom continues to deliver and a quietly impressive debut from Godfrey.
RS were the better side. Pleased to see us come back twice. In previous seasons, we'd have collapsed.
Expecting a better performance next week.
78 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:17:01
79 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:18:16
80 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:18:18
No Van Dijk, dodgy goalkeeper and Calvert-Lewin on fire, the few times we did knock it in we scored and Richarlison hit the post.
81 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:19:42
But hey-ho â€“ we gained a point and the neighbours were 'robbed' of all three â€“ that sounds a familiar script to me but this time it's us that got the breaks and apparently good teams make their own luck, or at least that's what I've heard regularly and often from the other lot's fans over the years.
82 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:19:54
83 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:20:02
I can't stop laughing. Robbed. Too good. Too funny. Make it stop. It hurts.
84 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:21:59
That was their game plan and it worked well in the first half, but Allan covered more the holes in the second.
Pickford made two or three class saves but he was lucky to be on the pitch after the mistimed lunge for the ball (which he missed but clattered Van Dijk). We created few chances but, when James gets it on his left, goodness its good. Calvert-Lewin made his goal look simple, Richarlison was unlucky to hit the post but made attackers tackle that earned him a straight red. Was it deserved? Probably.
Klopp was thoroughly pissed-off in his post-match interview, which I guess one cannot blame him for, but it's nice to see Karma still exists.
We didn't play as well as we could, but then we played as well as we were allowed. But we didn't give up, we could have won it and as for the VAR, how many times in the past 30 years have we seen the rub of the green go their way in the final minutes? The tide has turned, the devil's luck has run out.
85 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:23:11
I can't condone the two terrible challenges though. It's like when Funes Mori crocked Origi at their place. I don't want to see that from our players. Duncan was rough but he didn't go round doing leg-breakers. It gives them an excuse now to say our keeper shouldn't have been on the pitch. I'm all for getting into them aggressively but not with dangerous play.
It doesn't matter who the manager is, we still give far too many stupid fouls away in dangerous areas and invite pressure. Gomes was a liability today. Calvert-Lewin led the line well and scored a brilliantly worked goal. Godfrey impressed being thrown into it. I thought Keane looked composed again and was chuffed for the lad with his goal.
We can play better and rode our luck at times but we hung in there and showed some spirit. We'd have lost that 3 or 4 goals to 1 in the past.
86 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:05
I think there may be a moan about you don't play with your arms so they are excluded. That rule was changed on 22 June 1986.
87 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:39
As opposed to all of the horror decisions and non-decisions we've suffered at their hands from starry-eyed referees over the years.
So no, I don't feel even slightly bad about it.
88 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:46
89 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:49
Bizarre game, and hilarious that Liverpool get the goal disallowed. Even more so... the timing of it.
90 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:30:49
“Yeah your right, it wasn't offside.â€
“VAR's a joke.â€
“You're right again, you were robbed.â€
Makes it all the more sweeter when you agree with them and they run out of steam!
91 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:31:54
It was a competitive game. We were never going to completely outplay them. I didn't feel negative during the game once we'd equalised and felt like we could grab another and win it.
I walked out of the pub when they got the disallowed 3rd... so as you can all imagine my elation with the VAR decision when I got home. This is definitely karma for all the ref decisions that have gone against us over the years.
92 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:25
93 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:27
94 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:58
As others have mentioned, in order to win against an in-form Liverpool, most players need to have 8/10 games, but I thought Gomes was poor and Mina, Allan, Calvert-Lewin, Pickford, James, Richarlison were very patchy. Sigurdsson and Iwobi were anonymous when they came on.
Liverpool played some breathtaking football especially for the 1st 30 minutes of the 1st half, it was almost like they had 2 extra players on the pitch â€“ every ball finding a player, every ball being passed and received at pace, players moving into space â€“ it was mesmerising stuff, if you are a neutral, but made me a nervous wreck after we went down within 2 minutes. I feared a tonking, but credit to our guys, they stuck in and showed a lot of fight, which is very very encouraging. But this game clearly showed that we are a couple of quality players away from a Top 4 side.
95 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:36:09
We got lucky with VAR a couple of times but, as the RS were saying last year (in their usual patronising manner), it'll even up over the season!!
96 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:37:29
I've been one of several voices on here questioning whether Gomes deserves to be a starter in this new look Everton that Carlo is building. Today revealed what we sceptics have been saying for a while; too slow, too ponderous, too ill-disciplined, too easy to dispossess, too slow to sniff danger â€“ and two or three long passes a match will never hide these deficiencies from anyone looking for a decent all-round midfielder. Yes, he got a bad injury, and yes, he seems like a wonderful fella, but on the pitch he is now a fairly obvious liability.
97 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:38:45
When it's time for Holgate and Godfrey to guard the back, it will be the “Holy Gate of Godâ€!
98 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:38:55
'I think, Jay, that what today proved is that that VAR malarkey always favours the teams at the top of the table, fnar fnar!!'
Very droll, Brian, very droll - and sweet!
99 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:40:04
Lucky? Yes. Unlucky? Yes. We had chances to have won the game in Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison; they had a good goal disallowed and 2 great saves from Pickford who was lucky to stay on the pitch after a great challenge on Van Dijk (Not!).
We are starting to build a really good side but we still need that goal-scoring midfielder. As good as Gomes is, he offers absolute zero in terms of goal threat and never will. He needs to be replaced in my opinion as he is too slow.
Richarlison lets the team down again with a rash challenge. Will he ever learn? Maybe not. He needs a massive kick up the arse or it could be time to cash in on him as he can be too much of a liability. Nevertheless, we are still top and unbeaten. 23 games and counting, though. Unreal.
100 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:46:42
The offside rules out a penalty but I don't think it prevents the ref/ VAR punishing Pickford's reckless challenge. No way VAR should be giving that as an offside; they should really apply some common sense. Not that I'm complaining.
Our midfield needed to engage with their's much more man on man. Alcantara kept making mugs of us with those disguised passes but was afforded far too much time and space. Gomes just seemed to be forever in the wrong place on the pitch which affected him both offensively (resorting to playing straight balls down the flanks) and defensively.
There was some good stuff but the openness of the game was always going to suit them better.
I think Richarlison's red was due to a lot of frustration and some fatigue but he has to keep his discipline.
The result feels like a big bonus and we remain unbeaten. A good week on the training pitch and we can get back on track next game.
101 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:47:32
We're top of the table. There can be no complaints about that.
102 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:56:03
This continued with Mina when I joined. Liverpool dominated midfield and attacked at pace. Godfrey looked good and Keane was solid, taking the goal well. Rodriguez found it difficult to get on the ball and Allan was given special attention. Digne was excellent and Calvert-Lewin dominated to get that header in.
I thought that Everton were well-positioned to push on from that, but then came Richarlisons reckless challenge. Everton seemed to be defending too deep when down to 10. Mina's poor clearance eventually allowed Liverpool to find the net. Thank God for VAR, I just went offline after the goal and reverted to the Live forum when I got the good news.
I am glad of the draw. Everton are still in contention. Still have some weak players
103 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:00:43
104 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:00:59
105 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:01:00
It must have been very popular, though I haven't actually checked the replies.
I added another saying that, rather than feeling angry and hard-done-by, they should be happy with a point away to the league leaders.
I get the distinct feeling they're not.
106 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:05:41
Social media is going apeshit about it with outrage. Well, fuck them. It's about time we got the rub of the green. Hope they choke on their injustice.
Bitter and proud. ðŸ¤£
107 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:06:57
Let's face it, we have a good basis of a team with room for improvement. We rarely get the breaks, so I will always take good fortune when it comes our way.
Also, both of Liverpool's goals came from unneccesssary mistakes from our defense. Mina makes me anxious every time he gets the ball. For a tall guy, he certainly isn't tough enough.
We also gave the ball away far too easily, particularly Gomes. I thought DoucourÃ© played well and, while Rodrigues was not as outstanding as he has been, he still showed class in avoiding tackles and passing.
As much as I would love to have won, we are still top of the league and will still be after the weekend. Back to our glittering form for our visit to Southamton. This game should give continued confidence. COYB.
108 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:08:14
Oh yeah... I've got them: Fuck off!
109 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:10:54
Crying reds are different though, because they always want it both ways, so surely that was a little tug on Richarlison, just before he headed against the post, and therefore a genuine penalty was robbed off us before all their drama?
I honestly feel cheated though because this is not the game I've always loved. Diving, cheating, players asking for cards, and although I feel sorry for the refs having to put up with all of the above. I also feel we will never get proper consistency, until the refs and the VAR men have to face the media and explain their decisions on a permanent and regular basis.
110 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:15:48
Even though it was offside, Pickford should have had his marching orders, we got away with that big time. And the goal at the end, like a lot of said, if that's the other way around, we are all fuming beyond belief.
I agree with most comments, Gomes was treading treacle. Even though we carved a few good chances of our own, I'm more than happy with the point and keeps us ticking.
We did look lost at times though and weren't allowed really to play our game. Too many long balls for me and we didn't put their dodgy defence under enough pressure.
There was never going to be a repeat of the Villa debacle, more the opposite. Let's take the point and move on, I'm sure most of us would've taken a point before the game.
111 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:16:04
I was impressed that we came back from behind â€“ twice. That, for me, shows that we didn't "bottle it", as Barry claims. Add to that the fact that we brought Iwobi on for Doucoure in the last 15 minutes â€“ that suggests Carlo didn't bottle it but was going for it.
And I thought Godfrey slotted well into, for him, an unusual position. He had one moment early on when a controlled and slightly mazy run up the wing hinted at what he might be like bringing the ball out of central defence when we need him there.
112 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:19:03
114 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:19:39
I was delighted with Godfrey, what an intimidating occasion to make your debut, but he was very very solid out there.
If Pickford was a cat, he used eight lives out there. Should have definitely walked for the lunge on Van Dijk, and the fuckwittery to let in the ultimately disallowed third was mind-boggling. Glad it didn't cost us today, but riding Pickford's luck will eventually cost us big time. I'm stunned it wasn't today.
Richarliosn's tackle was dangerous and a defo red, thought he was awful for us today actually. A combination of being jaded and trying too hard, and he'd definitely seen the red mist when he walked.
Anyway, a thrilling derby and nice to rob them of a win for once! My MotM was Michael Keane, I thought he was brilliant for us today.
Top of the table, unbeaten all season, UTFT!
115 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:21:18
Gutted for the RS not getting any decisions today.
116 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:28:32
117 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:29:41
I never thought we were done when they scored. That's a huge sea change. The reaction of the red fraternity I had round told me they know we are a decent outfit. They were distraught at the end.
James involved in both goals again. Class.
Every game you can see the weaknesses. The goalkeeper and Mina are not good enough. Godfrey was good enough that I didn't even notice him.
Their tears, which I'm bathing in, are indeed salty.
118 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:30:24
I suppose, as Klippety has said, that was their best performance of the season, and for sure that was our worst, escaping with a very lucky draw was, in the end, a good result â€“ in a way!
I did expect the RS to have a reaction to the Villa game and they certainly had that.
As for us, brush it off and move on to the next game.
119 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:31:26
"Everton fail to improve on their position in the table."
"Virgil van Dijk to be canonized after being assaulted by Worst Goalkeeper in History"...
120 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:32:21
Agree with all the praise for Godfrey. Did very well indeed in the most demanding circumstances.
121 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:43:48
Milliseconds make a difference and Van Dijk being offside made a difference in this instance.
122 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:44:17
They're probably feeling a bit unfortunate not to have picked up all 3 points. But sometimes when you're top you get those decisions.
123 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:46:42
Godfrey looks great.
124 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:49:33
125 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:50:22
Yes I too had massive problems with BT today. Subscribed to a 㿅 pm contract this morning and then spent up to 2pm trying to get on.
Eventually managed to cancel my contract AND have my 㿅 refunded â€“ what a shower!!
126 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:51:54
127 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:56:05
Bring it on â€“ funny how derbies are not quite as threatening as they used to be!!
128 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:56:10
Godfrey did very well! Although I'm worried Coleman and Kenny both out leaves no regular right-back.
Michael Keane is starting to look like a proper centre-half!
Richarlison out for 3 games... if Calvert-Lewin gets a knock, we are really short upfront. Will Simms come on the bench next week?
The South Americans looked jet-lagged to me but will get better next week. 7 points from next 3 games and we've got to be contenders?!
129 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:57:26
The major point I got from this game was we never let our heads drop after going a goal down but fought back twice. One of the turning points to me was Coleman going off. Although Godfrey played well, I thought Rodriguez never got the support that he receives from Coleman's runs up the line.
Our 3 South Americans seemed off their games and wonder whether it was the travelling? Allan also was not his dominant self and might still be carrying his injury.
Regarding Pickford's tackle, my question is who was supposed to be marking Van Dijk, that he got so free?
Play poor and don't loose against a team that never got their usual obligatory penalty, is better than playing poor and loosing. We are not going to play all season without loosing, so I will take this against a team that is supposed to be the best in Europe, and get my pleasure listening to the whining from those unbiased Liverpool pundits.
131 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:01:35
He then went down mimicking an injury, and Richarlison's jersey been pulled, when he headed against the post. The pundits on BT were totally biased.
Richarlison wasn't his busy self today, definitely jaded. Sigurdsson came on for Gomes, and never got a kick.
133 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:02:46
2. We showed good resilience to come back twice, Van Dijk deserved all he got for coming out all Billy Big Bollocks in the first minute. The VAR was hilarious and was, perhaps, 0.5% payback for the last 50 years, the kopites are fuming. We are top of the League.
I have a choice of which of the above I will take into this evening with a nice bottle of Chianti. I think I'll opt for the second.
134 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:04:57
135 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:07:29
This time, they did outplay us in the first half. But this season is different as, after this, we'll let this match go, and go on to the next game and keep the momentum hopefully after a blip in the first-half performance.
Whichever way you analyse this game just gone, we score goals and no team can feel at ease against us, even if any team against us has around 70% possession and have 25 shots at us... we score goals.
And that is a great thing we now know in terms of about how our season is going to pan out. We are clinical and always have a chance in any match.
Up the Toffees!
136 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:15:36
137 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:18:31
Gains us a lot of points over the season, no question. Back him to the hilt â€“ he is good for us.
138 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:20:09
139 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:24:20
Though vastly improved, the midfield is lacking any pace. Where is Gordon? Gomes was appalling. I struggle to see him being a success. He looks like he's 47 rather than 27, and gives away many free-kicks in dangerous positions as a result. Slothesque.
140 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:26:59
It was blood and thunder. The way derbies are supposed to be. VAR was our friend today. Maybe next time it won't be.
I think we had too many jaded players after the international break. Especially the South America contingent. I thought Gomes was way off the pace after not playing for three weeks and wasn't helping Allan at all. He should have been subbed earlier for Sigurdsson or Delph.
Mina had a very poor game and was responsible for their 2nd goal with that feeble clearance. Richarlison was rightly sent off for that tackle and again looked jaded but I can't blame him for showing fight since that is what fans want from players.
On the positive side, Dom scored again. He leaps higher than a scalded cat. Pickford had a good game and a couple of his saves kept us in it. James was involved in both our goals and with a bit more luck we may have scored a third. Godfrey looked good when he came on. Especially since right-back isn't his prime position.
I think if we had played them before the break, we would have won but we were off the pace today. Not the best result but also not the worst. We are still top of the table and unbeaten and now we have a couple of winnable games coming up and hopefully we will have shaken off the effects of the international break.
Shame Richarlison will be missing but we have good cover in Iwobi, Bernard or Gordon so I'm not too concerned he will be missed that much. All-in-all, we are still on course for a top five or six finish and, since that is what we have set out to do, all is well.
141 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:30:11
142 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:31:20
143 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:34:37
144 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:37:31
145 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:39:58
146 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:40:49
Today was a result we would have never got they way we've played in derbies over the last 5-10 years. We never gave up, had real moments of quality but, for 80% of the time, couldn't cope with Liverpool's speed of passing, movement and inventiveness. Our midfield, particularly 1st half, weren't at the races, Gomes had one of those days when his lack of pace, his lack of speed from a still position meant he was completely overrun. Doucoure also went missing. Our 3 midfield struggled big time vs Henderson, Fabinho and Thiago and with Firminio dropping deep they just passed the way through us with ease.
Our two goals were down to our obvious strength in the air with two great leaps and credit Godfrey, Keane and Digne for defending well but Mina once again showed like Pickford that there's a regular mistake in there.
Richarlison just had a poor game, I think he's been used far too much with virtually 6 games for Everton and Brazil on top â€“ Gordon should have got games in the League Trophy ahead of Richarlison, but hey ho he's got a 3-week break now for his reckless challenge.
Anyway great lucky point and let's hope we can show our talent against Southampton and Newcastle before we face another Top 4 team in Man Utd in 3 weeks.
147 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:42:57
As they attempt to manipulate the system and seize control of the league, preying on the needs of those less fortunate, smaller Clubs, that shower of shit got exactly what they deserve.
Karma is a bitch! Ha!
148 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:46:55
How many headed goals have we scored this season? It is quite unbelievable really. Tiny Tim in the studio was really proud of Dom's header for the 2nd equaliser.
Our midfield repeatedly gave away the ball so many times in very promising positions, and Carlo would be very disappointed with that. I actually think Davies should start over Gomes next week, he had a brilliant game against Brighton and he always looks to move the ball ahead with purpose.
Richarlison hasn't really got going this season in terms of turning opportunities into goals. But, by God, that guy's work rate is unbelievable! The stand-out moment for me was when he flicked the ball away from the onrushing Robertson inside the 6-yard box, which would have made a centre-back proud.
Too bad about his red card, but an opportunity for Bernard or Gordon or even Bolasie to show what they have. Iwobi frustrates the hell out of me â€“ he had a good game against Brighton but he was pretty poor today, although he does run around a lot.
149 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:48:02
Absolute nonsense. If the scoreline said 4-2 â€“ like it should have done â€“ then maybe one or two would sit up and take notice.
But our continuing failure to beat the utter shite, and that we lost our 100% record in the process of a really disappointing performance, means the football word remains distinctly unrattled.
Still very annoyed.
150 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:50:19
In the shell of a nut.
Props to Michael for comment of the season at #35
“Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.â€
What to say?
151 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:54:09
History for Everton, in that this fixture proves fate has rarely been kind to us. The RS moaning, well welcome to reality, great to see them so wound up.
Great too see Everton show the character to stick at it and not give up. Incredible luck today, hopefully an omen for this season.
It proved you can't make mistakes as you get punished and, for me today, I thought we were playing with 10 men, as most of the game Andres Gomes was a passenger. It's amazing the change since the infamous game 2 years ago at their place.
I want him to be a success but now I don't see how it will help the team by playing him. It seems the desire and timing has gone and each game he gives away soft free-kicks.
But we had some good chances and so we go again next week at Southampton, always a tough match.
Interesting to see who plays next week, I thought that Godfrey had a god game and he looks like a real all-around player.
So we didn't lose, we didn't play great, but in football that's a good habit to have. Bearing in mind we always seem to play worse after international breaks, today was a very good point.
Oh to hear and see the RS moaning... welcome to the real world and getting VAR go against you, we've had enough VAR, and spawny decisions vs the RS to last a lifetime.
All stay safe and well, and savour this weekend.
152 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:55:37
The TV screen offers only a limited view but it appeared Allan and DoucourÃ© were over-worked with too much space around them and too often struggling to close down opponents who found it too easy to spray passes into wide positions near our penalty area.
We have conceded two goals in each of three home matches which suggests the manager has yet to find the right balance between attack and defence. He will need to do that if his team is to prevail against the stronger teams.
That said, it is entertaining to watch a team which always seems likely to create chances and score.
153 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:55:59
154 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:56:08
155 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:56:49
I couldn't fathom the tactics, Carlo is a better tactician than I am, but why give Liverpool room? Gomes was bordering on garbage from the kick-off.
Allan and DoucourÃ© both were way below what we expect of them. I had, like most on previous performance, expected us to win this easily, but just goes to show you never can tell.
156 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:58:22
We are work in progress. Defensively still suspect. Lots of work to do here. I think we miss Holgate, the sooner he is back the better.
I acknowledge Pickford made a couple of great saves, but it's the bread and butter ones that are proving more costly.
Personally, next summer we need to recruit an accomplished keeper and need to look to move Pickford on, that for me is a priority.
We look a little pedestrian in the wide areas, still think we lack a little pace in these areas turning defence into attack. Another area we address next summer I think.
All-in-all, we can perhaps put this down as a blip and look to kick on again next week at Southampton.
157 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:58:37
To think that Gomes has totally outclassed the Liverpool midfield in the past, his performance today seems ridiculous in relation to what he's capable of.
If we hadn't suffered this obvious dip in form, particularly in midfield, we would likely have won comfortably.
As usual, a relatively poor performance leads to the usual comments on ToffeeWeb that we're still miles behind Liverpool, when in fact we're not. Liverpool were simply fortunate that we dipped compared with recent performances.
158 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:00:52
They cut through us like a knife through butter. We once again gave them to much respect, the space they had, they looked like scoring everyone they came forward.
Why are people happy with a draw, I want to beat this shower. I hate the derby... I might not watch the one at Anfield, no good for my health.
159 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:02:27
Yet we're held to a draw and come back twice after going behind. Would we have done that under Silva, Koeman etc.?
Can we take some positives from this?
160 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:05:44
He's become a very, very good player but that area of his game needs improvement for us to really benefit from the chances created by the team. In many games, he rolls a tame one at the keeper. It's merely the truth.
161 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:15:04
162 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:16:02
On reflection, good teams need luck to win the title. We got a shed load of luck today, we will need that to win the title. I think we can do it.
I know Richarlison has had a complete nightmare and we will miss him for 3 games. Unfortunately, they are 3 games when I think he'd do a lot of damage to the opposition. However, it will hopefully give Gordon or Iwobi, maybe even Nkounkou on the left, a chance to impress.
I genuinely think, if we can get through the next 3 games with 7 points, we will be up there at the start of December as our next 3 after that are Fulham, Leeds and Burnley.
December then sees us play Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal and Man City. Come New Year's Day, we will know exactly where we are looking to finish. I'm daring to dream that lady luck will be on our side this season for the first time since she abandoned us in 87-88.
We played poorly but I think, if we'd played them the week after they played Villa, we would have beaten them. Big issue with having half your team South American and playing 36 hours after they return from a 3-game international break the other side of the world.
We can do this.
163 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:17:19
Tough game away at Southampton next week. Jonjoe Kenny in at right-back, think Sigurdsson should replace Gomes and Iwobi start in Richarlison's absence. Possibly also consider starting Godfrey for Mina.
164 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:20:34
165 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:22:03
166 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:22:13
(I am talking about the officials...)
167 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:25:57
We already knew the limitations of these players. We're not perfect, we're not going to win every game. But we're still top, we're still unbeaten.
Calvert-Lewin is still at it. Godfrey looks a player. Gomes will have better days.
Why dwell on the ref, the red card, the VAR? As if we haven't been cheated enough over the years... A little rub of the green is nothing compared to the unfair advantage given to many others.
Next game now, please.
168 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:36:10
He's on 10, 11 goals for the season, 60% with his feet, and some can't give the lad due praise without a snide comment about his finishing.
Salah rolled 2 efforts to Pickford today exactly like you describe, every forward forever will miss chances, but it's about the ones that go in that count.
169 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:39:17
170 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:45:23
171 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:46:02
Hopefully Richarlison can regain his fitness while out. I'd also like to see Sigurdsson start over Gomes next week, he deserves it.
172 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:48:32
Kunai â€“ pains me to say it but such actions are today widely considered part of a winning mentality.
173 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:50:41
174 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:52:00
175 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:54:09
The faithful have to realize that there were four new players in that Everton side today and it's remarkable how well they have jelled and got us to the top of the Premier League already.
We will only get better and will have to if we want to aspire to our neighbours, who are going to be hard to stop winning the Premier League again, such is their talent. Hard to stomach but that's how it is.
176 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:54:36
177 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:56:24
Then can we question why VAR didn't intervene when Robertson blatantly kicked Allan off the ball. There was no attempt to get the ball, the ball was nowhere near any of them, so therefore he struck an opponent â€“ which is an instant red card. What Robertson did is equal in the eyes of the law to punching a player but it's not being mentioned.
178 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:57:37
They were given the upper hand in midfield and controlled the game. We have to learn to match these high-press teams, fire must meet fire... otherwise, we will lose.
Today, we got lucky, it felt good. Carlo, learn from past Everton trophy winners, choose players who win every ball in midfield. Gomes is a passenger.
179 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:59:11
180 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:59:46
Okay, somebody could, maybe should have been sent off. Like, how many times can you say that about a particular.game? Also, the VAR, whilst gutting for them, I'm sure the decision is not a 'mistake'. They will have followed their protocols, lined it up, and adjudged him offside according to their technology. Frustrating for them, but not 'lucky' for us. It was offside, that's it.
I thought we were the better side 2nd half, they definitely scored against the run of play and we were superb in getting it back again. The one crazy moment was the Richarlison red card. Maybe something happened before that we don't know about, he's never done something like that before.
Almost as bad though, was Van Dijk's deeply cynical foul on James in the first minute. He went out to put him out the game. Gobshite.
181 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:02:20
Pickford will be a Hall of Fame contender now...
182 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:04:54
Richarlison looked jaded today, the break will do him no harm, but I would have preferred one game, not three.
How excellent was Keane today? I'd start Davies next week, we lacked pace in midfield today.
183 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:06:43
The level of bias towards Klopp's Liverpool in the media is tangible. Today from BT Sport it was off the scale.
The Robertson incident, they didn't even replay it from what I can recall. Each pundit obsessed over the Pickford incident. But there was little mention of how Van Dijk set the tone of crippling players early doors.
The Dutch centre-back towers above Pickford and I'm sure Pickford had in the back of his mind those two factors when he went for the ball. (This guy is huge and he's throwing his weight about.)
Regardless, it was mistimed, reckless and quite poor. No card given, so move on.
The decisions helped us out a great deal. I'm finally willing to put to rest the 2007 Goodison derby. Hibbert red, Kuyt Kung-fu and Lescott penalty. If people thought today was ridiculous, then they should watch that game again.
A point at home to the champions when we really didn't play well.
184 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:07:54
185 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:10:43
186 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:12:07
Richarlison out, Gomes out of form, Mina not great today, no fit right back, no back-up forward.
Interesting couple of weeks for the manager.
187 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:13:02
188 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:18:11
Everyone else - don't over sympathise with the rs - remember this in 2002 - not even a red card
189 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:25:31
190 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:26:20
Yeah, we are by no means a shoo-in but it looks pretty open this season and we've as good a shot as anyone.
191 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:28:00
Talk about being bitter blues! Amazing sense of entitlement when decisions don't go their way!! Would our fans have helped??
193 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:28:40
I think that's called Karma.
194 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:30:26
195 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:30:34
- Van Dijk getting his just deserts for going round trying to get our players injured
- Iwobi taking the piss with some tekkers;
- Calvert-Lewin scoring an outstanding header;
- Pickford having a good game - and Adrian flapping (Pickford would have been slaughtered for letting in the Keane header);
- Rodriguez being outrageously skillful;
- the team not losing its shit when we go a goal down.
196 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:32:58
197 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:35:12
198 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:38:36
Karma feels great. We didn't play too well but we are still unbeaten. In Carlo I trust. COYB.
199 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:41:25
They also tried to completely change the landscape of English football this week, that went well too, didn't it!
200 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:44:52
201 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:46:18
According to The Athletic the incident WAS reviewed at the time and the conclusion was that no further action was required. I'm certain that Pickford will be retrospectively punished but to me that would be utterly wrong and won't do Everton any good despite those who want Jordan out of the team.
As for the media they'll be advocating that Everton get docked 13 points and give them over to their favourites. The truth is that our neighbours go out to disrupt and hurt their opponents nearly every match - why? because they are 'winners' and mainly because they don't get scrutinised in the same way as Everton or other less favoured clubs do.
I feel sorry for any of their players that have been injured but not for the club that has not one iota of class or dignity because it believes it deserves every decision that goes its way and woe betide anyone or anything that prevents them winning any given game.
We won't win the title, we may not even end up in the top six, but at least we know how to take disapointment on the chin, hopefully one day soon we'll show them how to win with class and humility.
202 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:52:13
There's a video of his deliberate trip half way down this article:
203 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:52:18
"They" wouldn't lose any sleep over one of our major players being out injured. When you're a bully and you try to bully opposition players, sooner or later, you're gonna come unstuck.
Don't tut tut Pickford, don't decry him either. Van Dijk was big enough to dish it out, he should be big enough to accept that he's gonna get it back.
Difference between him and Pickford is that he's very clever in the dark art of fouling to hurt and Pickford is just a nutcase! I can't have much sympathy for someone who regularly tries to hurt others (which I firmly believe Van Dijk has done against us) when his actions come back to bite him in the arse.
That may make me a bad person but, to be honest, in this instance, I couldn't give a fuck. Sorry.
204 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:53:21
205 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:56:29
I made a mistake of listening to those giants of punditry, Savage and Sutton, on 606. Started with a truly inarticulate bluenose who was pleased 'Dick' (as he called him) van Dijk got clobbered. Followed by Mr Reasonable... a philosophical kopite... who accepted that things went in a circle, blah, blah.
So our team is a bunch of thugs and our fans knuckle scrapers in the eyes of the BBC.
206 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:01:18
207 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:03:45
I'm just about old enough to remember Bryan Hamilton's wrongly disallowed goal in the FA Cup semi-final in 1977, a day which began a litany of injustice we have suffered at the hands of that club.
So for once, I salute the presence of VAR and the inconsistencies of referees, for today they finally acted in our favour.
208 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:09:16
209 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:16:15
We'd have taken it and crumbled in the past. Not today. They got it back in double helpings. At least that's my take.
I'm not condoning foul play or injuries to players but, given what we've taken over the years, screw them.
Now listening to Savage and Shearer acting like a pair of crusty, old dear agony aunts at our nasty attitude.
It's making the first of my Harper's Golden Ales taste very nice indeed. A win is long over-due but I think a last-minute VAR- assisted winner for us at Anfield will taste even sweeter later in the season.
Not our best performance but my glass is half full (not for long, hic!) so I'll take the positives.
Here's to VAR!
Top of the table!
210 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:18:59
211 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:22:59
212 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:24:53
Bad tackle though it was, Jordan had no intention to hurt anyone. Richi's rush of blood occurred in the final minute, before then the only horrible act I saw was Van Dijk on James, minute 1.
And given that it was offside (them's the rules baby), they can stick their sense of injustice right in their hat.
214 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:29:56
Love it when you hear them kick about like babies.
When Suarez took out Mirallas, the media did not give a shit, so what goes around comes around.
Van Dijk was putting it about like the total twat and for me he had it coming. There was no intent from Pickford, he just knew that he would need to go in hard and he did.
215 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:35:50
Conjecture? Sensationalism? Let's see what the prognosis is officially.
216 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:38:40
Rest of the team put a shift in. Gomes is a serious weak link. I've never rated him. He gave the ball away far too much today.
What is of huge concern is the failure to sign another forward. There was no forward on the bench. If Calvert-Lewin gets injured then we are screwed.
217 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:39:02
A cynic might believe that to make the injury seem worse than it actually might be would result in Pickford being more likely to receive retrospective punishment? I hope it isn't as bad as has been reported but I also hope that the dark arts aren't being employed either.
218 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:40:16
219 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:43:54
Meanwhile, in the real world, the respectful and intellectual Mr Ancelloti will move onto the next game and work on beating Southampton, this game is of course now the most important on the agenda.
A touch of class and humility for all things Everton, we are fortunate indeed to have him.
220 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:44:47
They called us the bitters, having a good go at being the bitters themselves today, and for the next few weeks.
221 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:44:52
I watched us regularly in the mid-80s. If you watch the YouTube highlights or Twitter clips you'd be forgiven for thinking we were majestic in every game. We weren't. We often had to dig in, we'd be off the pace and then make something happen. We ground out so many wins. I sometimes wonder what ToffeeWeb would have been like on various occasions in that era.
We weren't at our best today, playing the champions who looked very impressive. We dug in, worked hard, equalised twice, hit the post. Yet we got a draw.
We won't play well every week. But we can can go toe to toe, show some resilience and drag out a scruffy result against a good side.
I loved being the side other fans grumbled about, the side about which people asked 'how did they get a result there?'
Thats what I liked about today. It augurs well for the rest of the season.
222 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:47:57
223 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:48:51
None can do sanctimonious indignation like the gobshites. Sentimental and poisonous.
When it's one of them, they put his name on their shirts.
224 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:14
Quite sweet to see the insufferable whingers shut down by screenshot after screenshot of dirty tackles committed by their players over the years.
225 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:17
226 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:42
227 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:54:39
Even though we didn't play as well as other games, it was still an improvement from the end of last season. We are not going to go all season without a defeat, so maybe having a couple of injuries and a suspension early in the season, it will see how well we will do with the backups.
The biggest change in the game today was the loss of Coleman, the new boy Godfrey done well, but as Rodriguez doesn't come back to help often, we missed Coleman's raids down the wing to assist.
We have solved some of the problems from last season but it will still need more improving, and as we are still not beaten in 8 games and top of the league, and after fighting back twice today, it shows me we have a better fighting spirit.
228 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:58:10
Maybe my memory is failing me but didn't Mirallas take out Suarez?
229 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:58:49
Tony - if anyone wants to see supporting media bullshit, I'd recommend MotD later.
230 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:00:54
232 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:02:23
Your memory is failing you. Suarez raked the back of Mirallas's Achilles and put him out for months.
Mirallas put a crunching tackle (a foul) in on Suarez in the next derby they both played in. Suarez carried on the match, if my memory serves me right.
233 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:05:24
Suarez raked his studs down Mirallas's Achilles on a day when Kevin was having a stormer. They don't like it up 'em. Even less when we do it. About time.
And let's stop all the whinging about 'the biased media'. Stuff them. I don't care what they think. I loved it when we were top of the league, getting grudging praise, being told it wouldn't last.
And I'm loving it now.
234 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:07:37
235 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:21:30
Mirallas did indeed get his own back on Suerez either the season or two afterwards.
236 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:29:01
Gomes is a weak link in games played at that pace; with hindsight, Davies may have been a better option.
Richarlison had an off day â€“ he is normally our hardest working player by some distance; tiredness & travel kicked in, me thinks.
Keane & Digne very good.
Godfrey & Holgate, when fit, will both be ahead of Mina. Until Seamus, Kenny or Holgate is fit, Godfrey will play RB.
Little sympathy with Van Dijk â€“ Pickford didn't intend to hurt him, but Van Dijk & Co tried early on to rough-house Rodriguez out of the game.
Richarlison was daft â€“ probably deserved red â€“ so did Robertson as per the rules â€“ where was VAR? And the tug-back on Richarliosn when he hit the post.
We were lucky â€“ long overdue! â€“ overall, but still had other good chances to score. It starts to make up for the many injustices & bad decisions we've suffered against them.
We're a decent team but there's still room for improvement â€“ top 6 looks very possible, top 4 not out of reach.
Gordon to fill in for Richarlison, maybe Bernard?
237 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:29:46
238 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:40:52
He wasn't so smug when he limped off 10 minutes later.
I'd never wish an injury on any player, but karma is a bitch.
239 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:44:59
240 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:45:36
241 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:46:10
He was struggling so badly I'm surprised he was left on for 70 minutes. Very disappointing as he, initially, looked an outstanding buy and absolutely bossed the midfield in the Pickford derby.
242 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:46:37
After the game, Klopp, talking about Salam's injury, he said “It doesn't look goodâ€, same as he's saying about these two injuries today, let's wait and see how they turn out, I hope the two of them are okay. Klopp cries wolf quite a lot.
243 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:47:34
244 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:52:35
245 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:03:46
The Anfield one... and no more clues!!
247 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:05:18
248 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:06:49
249 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:09:23
Stand up to the bully, and they go running to the league with complaints. Retrospectively banning Pickford, will obviously result in something similar for Mane?
That phoney-Klopp, said it's our World Cup, but it's Liverpool FC, who are carrying on like the worlds just ended tonight!
Good teams get a result when they don't play so well, and for a relatively new team like Everton, who haven't trained as a proper unit for two weeks, lost their captain after 20 minutes, and fielded four players with less than twenty games in a blue shirt between them, then they didn't half fight, to stay in the game.
We were possibly on top when Salah made it 2-1, and this might have sunk a lot of lesser players, but Pickford pulled off a worldly, and then Lewin finished off a great move, so credit for the boys in blue for their spirit today, the song is rubbing off!
250 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:13:37
I wasn't aware that there was the facility to demand individual VAR decisions be reviewed retrospectively â€“ but wait â€“ this is the RS and they demand different rules be applied for them. A taster of what Big Picture has in store if it is allowed to succeed via Gary Neville's Plan B 'independent' replacement of the FA.
Strange that not one of them picked up Van Dijk's deliberate attempts to injure our players from the kick-off, Mane's deliberate trip and simulation or Robertson's carefully aimed full-blooded Kung Fu kick to try and smash Allan's knee off the ball.
Fuck them and their media arse lickers.
251 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:22:37
253 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:25:49
Christ knows, the Don Hutch, goal, when SW, made a hash, but the aka Geoff Nulty, Jimmy Case tackle in 1980, Gary Naismith got done in 2002, Kuyt, Mark Lawrenson's dodgy tackles, etc â€“ you can write a book on the numerous bad decisions we've faced against them.
The BBC need to take stock of their so-called football experts, as not many were truly good players nor outstanding, but are so tunnel-visioned. Fuck them, we can ride the storms that will prevail and come out stronger.
Let's transcend any negativity from today and use it as a driver to do a special at St Mary's.
The RS, need to grow up and face the other side of the coin. Hopefully today the fortune cookie hoodoo they've held over us with spawny decisions is broken.
I hope they don't do any stunts this next week, with their paint gangs.
All enjoy this day!
254 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:28:11
Van Dijk going through James and Calvert-Lewin, not a word, Mane diving all day, and, as Chris #203 said, Mane should have got a 2nd yellow, Robertson should have got red.
Richarlison's jersey being pulled before he hit the post, not a word about it! As for BT today, McManaman totally biased, and Keown wouldn't even defend his former club (maybe he's bitter since Sheedy hit him a box).
I didn't think the redshite could go any lower than they were, but complaining to Premier League... sad club.
255 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:29:03
256 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:49:20
257 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:52:58
258 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:56:34
Shallow, and no style and no class.
MotD only shows, and focus's on the incidents that impacted the RS.
That programme, and the BBC, is in decline, and is well past an over view and needs a remake.
But let's use the negative, to be our positive! Fuck the press, the RS Echo â€“ siege mentality, and EFC will adapt, endure and grow in stature this season.
259 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:59:19
Mr Dick van Dyke put 2 bad challenges in to our boys in the first 5 minutes, nobody talking about that in the media. Bitter, twisted, that's all I can say. We deserved that for sticking in there. In previous games against them we would have crumbled but not today.
Anyway it's gone, I will take the point, let's get back on it next against the Saints. 3 points there and we are marching again.
260 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:00:02
261 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:11:05
They are taking the high moral on trying to recultivate the gravy chain, along with Man Utd, in the Premier League.
Forget the spirit of the Football League, trying to achieve a payoff scheme, and create an elitist plan that in theory, would run the game to a destruction. They don't know their history and ethics of football and business and don't have any class.
Six months ago, they were jibbing their own staff... when Covid-19 kicked off, and took a grip.
Enjoy this weekend, and savour what has been achieved.
There's loads of improvements to be done but, considering this time last year, it's been a bumpy road but I believe Everton is on the right course and progressing in the right direction.
Let's go for the win at Southampton, it's a game Everton can win.
263 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:16:05
264 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:16:39
265 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:19:14
There's no confirmation that it's a serious injury; at the moment, it's just Klopp stirring the pot. I don't usually wish serious injury on any player but the RS have form injuring our players so I'll make an exception in this case!
266 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:26:52
LFC simply need to grow up and stop behaving like spoilt dysfunctional children, especially after they've been guilty of repeated cynical actions on opposing players.
268 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:50:52
269 Posted 17/10/2020 at 00:01:25
Regarding the Mane offside he moves from an offside position as Thiago is receiving the ball, who then passes directly to him: is this not offside, even if he is behind the line or not?
Regarding Pickford, it was a rash, ill-timed tackle for a fifty-fifty ball, he scissors Van Dijk's leg with his legs â€“ a penalty if no previous offside but not a red card.
270 Posted 17/10/2020 at 00:04:41
We all know they go far beyond a Stevie G two-footed lunge!... Outraged at everything, ashamed of nothing.
271 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:08:14
272 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:11:08
Overriding feeling is relief. Feels like the curse has been lifted. Would have been nice to do it with a win but I'll take a draw in the circumstances.
We can get a bit if luck and a few decisions against that lot. We can play poorly and not lose. We can spend the few days after a derby quietly chuckling as our Red friends' heads fall off.
Can't wait to go to their place now. Finally we're on an equal footing.
273 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:54:05
Nice to know another club feel hard done by. We have suffered that for years. Everton being top doesn't sit well, apparently. Looks good from here. On to the next chapter!!
274 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:06:59
We must improve defensively on our right. We need to be more aware when we lose the ball that James is not going to track back. A big test awaits next week away to Saints who will be buoyed by the draw against Chelsea. Three points there and we can really kick on and open a gap at the top of the table. COYB.
275 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:33:44
Settle for that. Looked second best for long stretches.
Any chance Gordon will get a look in for the next game. Forgotten player since questioning Carlo. He and Nkoukou look great prospects. Thought Godfrey looks pretty good too.
276 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:49:14
277 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:07:06
278 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:39:03
If you freeze that frame as the ball is kicked instead of afterwards (as they did) then he's probably a body width off. I called it offside in real time. VAR has been very tight recently using that approach (when the striker is running through) but this version gave Mane every single millimetre possible to be called onside - and he still wasn't. Objectively he was offside.
Pre VAR, the flag probably goes up and the game is stopped there and then with no controversy.
279 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:57:15
Has Gordon had a fall out with Carlo?
280 Posted 18/10/2020 at 03:13:32
In terms of the VVD injury, I hope it's not a bad one - and not because of any potential repercussions for Pickford. Unlike others on here, I don't think Van Dijk's challenges today on James and DCL were anything other than robust, and they are exactly the sort of challenges we'd be defending if they'd been made by Keane or Mina. I don't think wishing serious injury on any footballer is a particularly good look, and celebrating it even less so. I hope to see VVD back playing for Liverpool very soon - and I sincerely hope that his team loses.
281 Posted 18/10/2020 at 03:17:43
The difference is James. One swing of that left boot can change any game at any level.
We found two spells when their intensity relented. At 1-1 both Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison had golden chances.
However we never shrank from our task, we're fully committed and even though several players dipped the effort was there. Richarlison the case in point, his challenge underlined by a poor game laced with frustration.
The one huge concern is Pickford, we can all say well done for 2/3 very decent saves but he should have been sent off and his effort at the death Henderson's attempt was extremely poor.
He needs to be dropped and made to realize, he simply cannot be that error prone. I will be disappointed if he starts at Southampton.
The bottom line is we can live with better teams and hang in there. Godfrey was so adaptable I didn't even notice him. Mina still gives me the hebbie-gebbies.
282 Posted 18/10/2020 at 05:23:32
He made 2 excellent saves. He sent Van Dijk to be on the mends for a good couple.of weeks.
The two goals was not his fault. The first was the defenders for allowing Mane to cross.
The second is Mina's.
For my money, Mina doesnt cut the mustard anymore. Time we replaced him
Wished we had brought over Duffy instead of Celtic. He is a much better CB than Mina.
I think Mina needs to.be on the sideline for a few months on the count of his injury that hasn't really healed.
And I reiterate.
BRING BAKRLEY AND LOOKMAN BACK TO GWALDYS STREET
Also please bring Jack Wilshere to Goodison. He is free now and we probably can sign him for a song
283 Posted 18/10/2020 at 06:59:51
They do have short memories, however that may be because most have only been following Liverpool for the last 18 months since defecting from City.
284 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:08:21
285 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:25:41
286 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:46:16
287 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:00:13
288 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:02:05
They are absolutely seething, frothing at the mouth with their hatred and venom for us and asking for Karma (how ironic)
Well guess what ? Welcome to our fucking world
They know we have some real quality players and a top Manager with a team who will now get stuck in and fight and not lie down as we have done for so many years
That's what's also getting to them, we're hopefully on the way back up and not just plucky little Everton any more who they can pat on the head and patronise
289 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:04:37
Anywayhow!!! Seemed our tactical approach to today's game was not right. We started defensively, which is the wrong way with Liverpool and this allowed them to control the game from start to finish. Thank you VAR!!
290 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:24:44
What annoys me is the inevitable after match interview with the odious, repulsive Klopp, he really does take the biscuit, wanting the rules of the game changing after every point dropped. He's about as pleasant as a fart in an elevator.
He spoils every interview with his constant relentless moaning, they are a horrible club without any doubt.
291 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:51:02
Job done, onto the next match.
292 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:01:33
293 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:20:10
294 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:24:06
295 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:33:55
Oh, and by the way, does anyone remember this
296 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:34:50
297 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:40:27
298 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:45:19
299 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:59:04
300 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:59:29
301 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:23:06
Ancelotti has made some great signings and he has restored confidence in the team and I have no doubt that after a couple more transfer windows we will have a very formidable team that is able to compete at the highest level.
302 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:29:57
303 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:40:38
Despite us turning in our weakest performance of the season we could have still won yesterday and in Rodriguez have a player of genuine guile, class and excellence it's a joy to watch him. COYB and the moaning RS - well just laugh at them
304 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:52:53
305 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:15:54
306 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:33:00
I also agree that VVD had already fouled James twice in the first five minutes - meriting a yellow ? - before Pickford lost the plot and fouled him - though I doubt it was intentional, merely a clumsy effort to get to the ball first.
307 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:40:09
The powers (there's a joke) that be will want to placate the shite after the almost unanimous uproar over the offside decision.
In defending THAT VAR decision they'll seek to move the attention away from it.
The only "get out" for Pickford will be if they actually DID review it although reports can't say one way or the other if they definitely did.
If they didn't I think he's banned.
And if that's the case Everton should fight the decision like mad and present a dossier of transgressions from the shite during the game which could include two red card incidents against them.
Interesting week ahead and whether your pro or anti Pickford we should circle the wagons and present a united front to the outside world instead of letting the likes of Newsnow cherry pick Evertonian's comment on social media and make headlines out of them.
308 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:41:47
309 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:42:20
310 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:03:24
311 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:04:56
312 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:09:39
I would expect they are checking the footballers to see if they are infectious or not before they are allowed back. Do you know any different?
313 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:17:04
Not sure it makes the point you think it does.
314 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:54:52
You're never going to enjoy the freedoms you do against Liverpool at present as you will against Brighton.
I thought we coped well with the inevitable periods of pressure, caused them problems too and most importantly have sorted out our mentality issues to come back at them twice. Oh, and we finally got the rub of the green on some dodgy decisions. Last season, we capitulate.
315 Posted 18/10/2020 at 13:37:16
Its about 'rights' after all, and as champions LFC should naturally receive preferential treatment, so that they can claim their rightful place as champions ad infinitum, because it's only right isn't it?
And as the momentum for world domination gathers pace, the lovely boys on the kop have added a new verse to YNWA.
"And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Kloppetty Klopp of the Kop, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'"
And next years kit is the best ever, a red robe and a crown of golden Laurel leaves with the new motto emblazoned under the liver bird "ego superbieia".
316 Posted 18/10/2020 at 13:46:40
They're a funny lot.
Has anyone mentioned that at the same time as Richarlison was fouling Thiago, Mane (already on a yellow) was kicking out at Mina and tripped him? Pretty clear second yellow but VAR never bothered to look at it.
317 Posted 18/10/2020 at 14:34:29
I think that the club should show solidarity and support the shite's complaint about VAR by providing a video of Mane's trip on Mina, Robertson's kick at Allen and Arnold's tug on Richarlison's shirt when he hit the post.
We should ask why, in the spirit of justice and taking into account Liverpool's complaint about VAR, these 3 incidents weren't checked by VAR at the time. In fact, and in order to ensure that justice is done as the shite demand, as these 3 incidents weren't reviewed at the time, wouldn't it only be fair to review them now and take retrospective action?
318 Posted 18/10/2020 at 14:36:03
319 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:16:39
Should be the key to all football decisions. This season Roy with his mates in the FA have eliminated the 'handball rule' because if there was no intent to commit a foul then it should not be a penalty. As people said, no mention of the previous week's penalty for them with the same rule.
When Van Dijk clattered into James in the first few minutes there was intent to slow him down and injury him slightly and to jar him. Hence the same intent with 3 more tackles on James sending him to the floor every time.
Do you remember Gazza's game when he got a major career limiting injury? In that game, he was tackling really wildly nearly injuring people and finally a really wild tackle from him resulted in him damaging his own knee. Justice is sometimes served but never on demand.
There was no intent to injure Van Dijk by Pickford. Contrast that with the trip on Mina by Mane (link in a post on this page), the flying tackle on Digne by Mane which gave the ref no choice but to give a yellow card to Mane. This season Mane intentionally elbowed another player in the throat but it was in the first 5 minutes so no red card.
When Son tripped Gomes he did have an intent to trip him up and to stop a counter-attack but was shocked when Gomes had his leg broken. So once again the intent reason was ignored and not penalised.
When Mane fell to the floor after Gomes's high kick when he plucked the ball out of the air and kept in under control Mane's intent was clear, to gain an advantage by winning a free-kick because the TV showed he did not touch Mane and once again no replay.
320 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:27:51
321 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:28:59
The game itself, I thought it was our worst game of the season, too many misplaced passes, and they cut through us like a knife through butter. At least we are still unbeaten so I am happy with that, though Keane and Pickford were outstanding, work on Monday should be fun.
322 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:38:18
That shitty tackle on Allan summed him up; and summed them up. No doubt he's composing his apology as we speak.
323 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:46:06
The game is full of devious intents in some players challenges and some referees are too niave to spot them.
RS play to their strengths which is a high intensity offence to unsettle the opposition early but Everton are made of sterner stuff these days.
324 Posted 18/10/2020 at 16:16:06
325 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:06:58
Different Mike responding but regarding the RS being the “original bittersâ€, they still are. I respond to “Bitter Blueâ€ comments with “Retarded Redâ€. They don't like it back at them â€“ particularly when they aren't in a group for back-up.
I mean, we are not so bitter as to resort to stoning the Man City team coach; pushing the locals into fountains on foreign jaunts; rushing the stadium gates in Athens; rushing passport control at John Lennon airport; fireworks at the Liver Building etc. Let's not mention all points going back to Heysel. Oh crap, I just did.
I could go on. But they are too retarded in the dumbest and dumber sense to see their own faults.
And just to qualify my own bitter credentials â€“ on Van Dijk, screw him. You can just imagine the RS watching his two fouls in the first 5 mins and laughing how he was bossing things. What goes around comes around.
It's a bit more difficult trying to be Billy Big Bollocks with a limp.
326 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:40:34
I was sat quite close to where Deulofeu tore his ACL, at the time I recalled saying that was very deliberate and cynical of Van Dijk which directly led to his injury.
Not one pundit or press mentioned it, instead citing it as an accident. He went to do two of players in the opening mins yesterday, again no mention, he is certainly no saint.
327 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:51:16
Not one pundit even mentioned it, it's all about Pickford. VAR wasn't used for Mane's trip on Mina, which was definitely a second yellow.
The only reason Oliver didn't check it was Richarlison's tackle on Thiago seconds later.
328 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:04:36
I doubt they will though.
329 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:10:36
Those saying the challenge was horrendous â€“ it was clumsy and erratic but not malicious.
330 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:17:07
331 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:19:44
332 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:24:22
333 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:24:37
They won't try it on again in next derby, they know we have a bite as well.
Still waiting for Slippy and Souness to comment. Total silence.
That Dirty Kuyt, Fangs, Van Dick, they've such a history as long as my arm of names of players who intentionally foul and get away with it.
Don't think the football panel will do anything, as football has fallen out with Liverpool this year. My suspicion is why that VAR was given against them. You do it to yourself you do... and that's what really hurts.
334 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:25:49
335 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:52:30
I think we need to prepare to ask the FA to look at missed things that VAR did not see or pick up on like the Mane trip, the Robertson kick, the Mane dive to win a free-kick.
Maybe we could get the Leeds fans to get Salah red carded because of his dive in the first game of the season. The reds will be pushing for a long a ban as possible.
Maybe they will push for something I actually feel would be fair and that is the 3 game ban is served after the recovery from a serious injury in the meantime the player, just like the injured player cannot play any football. When you think of the excuses made by the press that is filled with Spurs fans that Gomes's injury was just an unfortunate accident. Ditto for Van Dijk.
336 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:54:40
Pickford went over the top and it was a bad tackle. No worse than Son Heung-Min's though and remember how the media were quick to defend it as "out of character". Wonder if Pickford will get the same support?
337 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:19:44
338 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:26:45
339 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:31:37
Get a grip â€“ it was not intentional and imagine if he had stood off and Van Dijk had crossed it for a goal.
340 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:32:47
341 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:11:08
342 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:22:28
The RS don't like it up 'em, do they, and win at Mordor would really sort them. had a message from a RS fan I know (which I didn't respond to) saying VAR is ruining the game, ironically not ever for them apart from this match.
The LFC school of diving, resident tutors Mane and Sahah!
343 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:26:17
344 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:59:51
I wouldn't usually welcome a serious injury to any player but this one is a particularly nasty, pernicious individual who probably would have done James if he'd have stayed on the field.
Just heard that tosser, Souness, saying "It was an assault". You really couldn't make this stuff up.
345 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:09:04
There are quite a few malicious tackles to be seen in that game if the FA care to have a look at them. Bad as they are, not one of them matched the ones Souness performed throughout his career. A great player but one dirty and vicious one with it.
346 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:16:13
347 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:16:55
Now is the time to stop whining about Pickford and back him all the way. #ISupportJordan
348 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:17:19
349 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:19:42
350 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:22:17
351 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:32:07
No way was it malicious; Carragher deserves a bit of credit.
352 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:35:41
353 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:38:11
354 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:42:40
355 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:51:57
Also, I hope you saw my response to your wisecrack in the Bolasie thread, LOL.
356 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:57:18
357 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:01:48
Check this tackle of his out and this is one of many he did in his playing days:
358 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:06:42
359 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:43:33
There were a few below-par performances but for a first derby for many players they kept fighting for each other.
Thiago and James stood out as top-class players. Why no one else moved for either is mind-boggling.
I think both tackles were genuine. Richarlison's was a 50:50 and I think he got the ball but studs were raised.
Pickford rushed out tried to stay big and block. Poor attempt but genuine. Probably the best thing he's done all season.
361 Posted 19/10/2020 at 00:30:18
As for poor derby decisions, well don't get me started. I could write all night with the injustices I've seen in 40-odd years.
362 Posted 19/10/2020 at 02:25:20
363 Posted 19/10/2020 at 07:36:48
364 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:42:44
The most galling aspect in all this is how the media, especially the BBC and Sky, automatically jump on the RS bandwagon.
365 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:47:03
I'm not into bashing our players but his attempt at saving the disallowed “goalâ€ was appalling and alarming â€“ yes, he made a great save from Matip's header but his challenge on Van Dijk was driven by panic, not intent or malice.
Good for Carragher saying to Souness that he was one to talk having made a career out of tackles worse than that.
366 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:58:41
And by the way, if the boot was on the other foot, the headline would be "Reds hold on to top spot after fiery encounter"
Forget the fansites, the mainstream media would be talking about a balance of iffy decisions (Robertson and Mane) and the fact that though some of the calls were marginal, the rules are the rules.
We're far, far too magnanimous. No wonder we struggle to beat our neighbours. We're playing by a different set of rules.
367 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:12:14
The amount of publicity this incident is getting and editing of anything they did wrong is mind-blowing. Someone needs to stand up for our club and point out this hypocrisy.
The â€˜likeable' Klopp persona becomes a twisted mask as soon as something doesn't go his way, doesn't it!?
Personally, I'm loving it!! ðŸ˜
368 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:14:01
Listening to him yesterday, you would have thought he was whiter than white! Bloody hypocrite.
At least Carragher said it how it was, and laughed at Souness, telling him to give over.
I think Souness should stand down before he has another heart attack!
Pickford has escaped. But can we afford to rest him against Southampton for his own good?
369 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:14:57
Let's start behaving like a club that expects to win things.
371 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:21:25
Hear, hear â€“ very good point. ðŸ‘
372 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:23:16
373 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:25:25
Nail on the head. I've been saying it for years, it's a coordinated strategy that happens before, during and after games, and it works!
We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive.
374 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:31:51
And then let's see if we can get it to go viral.
Alternatively â€“ all the bad tackles and bad decisions, all the way back to the Bryan Hamilton goal â€“ just to provide balance.
375 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:07:36
376 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:19:13
I think they call it either Karma, or the boot being on the other foot at long last!
377 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:41:55
Dave#365, and others, I'd be more impressed with Pickford if it HAD been deliberate!
378 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:47:42
379 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:49:04
380 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:07:40
"We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive."
Everton are in the same boat as the other 18 clubs in the EPL, the other two, one being the RS in particular and United have their fingers in ALL the fucking pies.
I watched the Palace game and had to listen to an ex RS commentator and an ex United player doing the halftime overview, so basically 90 minutes of anti Everton bias and an half-time overview of how unlucky Palace were.
You will have seen in the past 48 hours how the RS media machine works. Everton, like the other 18 clubs, have no control over what shite these commentators are paid, yes paid, to type or
provide comment on. The BBC is a tax payer funded company yet the bias to the RS is shocking, absolutely shocking.
For me Everton are neither nice or naive, Everton are humble and they get on with what shit comes their way and I am proud that they do that.
381 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:14:47
Laurie I've done extensive checks to find am answer to your question and after digging deep and raking through rules and whatnot I've finally found the reason.
Mane's goal occurred at approximately 12:33 pm.
The rs's contract with the devil ran out at 12:40pm, seconds before VD's injury.
382 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:24:56
383 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:27:43
384 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:30:33
385 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:31:37
Take your point.
My concern is for Pickford himself.
The trolls will be having a field day.
Yes he is man enough to handle it.
Let's not forget VVR is no angel. He should have been booked for his early foul on James!
386 Posted 19/10/2020 at 12:12:16
387 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:21:35
388 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:31:48
Cheeky chappie Digne!
389 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:34:43
390 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:41:43
391 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:47:53
We need the ex blues to speak up as much as the reds do. The only commentators who vociferously voiced our side have been Peter Reed and Tim Cahill.
392 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:48:14
They are absurdly deluded dickbrains with the combined IQ of a dead frog. It was a game of football for fucks sake and I'm sure they feel hard done by. But as an Evertonian I have far more experience of feeling hard done by after derbies than they do.
Always the victim never to blame eh?
393 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:52:30
394 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:10:41
Looks like Pickford's going nowhere for the moment.
No doubt Sky and the Liverpool Twitterati will respond to this in a calm and reasonable manner.
On that note, can I say that my favourite part of the weekend's media circus was when Sky called upon one of the dirtiest players to don a red shirt plus a convicted 'drugs cheat' as their voices of moral outrage. Almost as Trump holding a bible...
395 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:18:18
I played it back to count they showed the Pickford tackle 7 times.
PS: I live in Manchester and all my City and United mates think Pickford deserves a knighthood !
396 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:47:11
397 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:58:49
398 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:59:04
Are you sure about the combined IQ of a dead frog!
I think you've underestimated the dead frogs IQ ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚
399 Posted 19/10/2020 at 15:45:53
It is now the main story on the BBC football site and the caption reads "Pickford to avoid retrospective action for tackle on Van Dijk". Clearly implying that he is guilty but is getting away with something.
The BBC is disgusting, in this context.
400 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:09:34
I was unfortunate enough to witness Souness ranting. Genuine outrage.
Did you notice when he said “weâ€ and then quickly said “Liverpoolâ€?
Fair does to Carragher for pointing out Souness's unique qualification to discuss â€˜assaults â€˜
401 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:18:28
Aston Villa fans not too happy either with the Media about VVDs injury.
402 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:21:28
An IQ next to none?!
403 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:35:49
404 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:46:07
I wonder how the media will highlight this?
405 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:46:44
406 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:52:35
Can we have Pickford serve Richarlison's ban? Seems fair to me.
407 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:57:24
When a goalkeeper deals with a one on one with an opposite player more often than not they will run towards the onrushing player and attempt to thwart the chance with a star jump.
Schmeichel at Manchester United did it on numerous occasions and very often a collision would occur. To be honest its very brave goalkeeping as they can come of mutch worse.
408 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:01:50
409 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:07:23
410 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:12:02
411 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:20:35
412 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:23:26
5 league games so far this season and 4 of them have had Pickford mistakes. Even the wrongly disallowed goal on Saturday he should have saved.
413 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:23:41
I used to like Souness, he spoke as much sense as anyone on tv, imo, but not anymore because this man's agenda really does seem to have changed.
Spiteful as a player, now spiteful as a pundit, surely players who have played the game, (especially top players) know the difference between poor decision making, and maliciousness or assault?
Football needs a revamp of its laws, start with the cheating, and let's stop insulting ourselves, with that most horrible of sayings. “He had a right to go downâ€- it's sickening, because a player should really only have the right to go down, if he's injured or “he can't stay on his feetâ€
414 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:39:14
415 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:46:15
416 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:53:28
5 games unbeaten 2 motm performances and our own fans want him banned!
We all know he is erratic, world class followed by Sunday league standard usually in the same game but surely most can realise that even dropping him for Olsen isn't going to improve us or him.
Whilst he is in-between the sticks for us he deserves our support. Most of the English media had an agenda against him even before the derby.
417 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:54:48
418 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:55:57
Now, I didn't want to take this too seriously as I'm sure that many kopites are reasonable people who have by now settled down and largely put the game behind them. But the redshirt support does seem to include well beyond their fair share of total cretins, as Heysel aptly demonstrated.
I admire some of their players, they are excellent exponents of the game.
I intensely dislike the club as they are so mafia like as The Project Big Picture and other events have demonstrated.
But I reserve my hatred for the massive numbers of redshirt supporters of this ilk. Every club has its hotheads but nobody compares to this lot. To them it's not a game it's a cult. They are the Taliban of the Premiership. They can see no wrong in the club they support and in their own psychopathic behaviour. I wish they would just go away and allow the beautiful game to breathe again.
419 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:07:24
420 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:11:50
Can you imagine the footballers who fought in World War I having the same attitude. "Sir we lost a dozen men," "Oh, no! Killed or wounded?" "Neither sir but Gerry came charging over and brushed by them so they had a right to go down."
421 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:26:01
422 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:27:17
423 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:33:51
I'd ask why he came out in the first place & led with his legs? It suggests to me he thought he couldn't get there? Only 5 minutes into a big game & the ball running away from VVD he made a poor choice to leave his line when every percentage was against VVD. Why?
I'd much more concerned with the decision to come out than the tackle. His judgement is the issue here surely? The tackle is the result of that bad judgement. This 50:50 lark is a smoke screen to defend the tackle and the ram out from it.. Let's rewind and look at the root of the problem, which is his desire to get involved when it's not necessary.
He must be â€˜rested' because trying play him through the bad spell is not working.
424 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:37:13
As Jack @ 401 points out, the villa fans are fuming because one of their players suffered a similar challenge and injury back on new years day, and is still out injured, yet no fuss has been made by the media, but the minute it happens to a red Shite player everyone is up in arms. Well do you know what, unlucky, shit happens, get over it. It was a bad challenge by Pickford and probably did deserve a red card, but there is no way he intended to hurt Van Dijk.
425 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:40:50
426 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:41:55
Bloody spellcheck! On your point about Pickford, I think he panics quite a bit and when he does so, his response is just to fling a limb in some direction. In this case his leg, in other cases a weird star jump, or a limp wristed wave. It's almost like he has an involuntary spasm and part of his body reacts to a danger without any sort of cognitive control. Most of his errors involve weird motions. It's not a good thing.
427 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:42:26
428 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:50:05
Mark Bosnich lol!!!!
I remember when they stopped a match at old Trafford for 15min to remark the penalty area as he had hoovered up all the white lines.
What a pillock.
429 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:21
Pickford is shot to bits on crosses, he's always in two minds, he dithers, and shows a complete lack of anticipation, which interferes with his timing - once he's forced to come forward off his line, and maybe it's time to give him a rest?
I'm giving it a rest myself now, those crying kopites, incessantly getting backed up by the media has given me a headache, and it's true James@421, not even Manchester United could feign such outrage so I'm going to listen to Genesis, singing “turn it in, turn it in againâ€!
430 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:31
431 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:35
Now there's a man whose judgement you can trust, eh?
432 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:01:56
oops - here's the link to the tackle I was talking about.
Radio Merseyside tonight - RS fan EFC are the dirtiest team in the EPL and I hope the teams playing away to EFC take expert medical staff with them as they will need them. You can't make it up.
433 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:06:38
434 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:07:00
435 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:09:15
He only did that when he wasn't giving Hitler salutes.
Or he could have been sending for his stash.
Beglin weighing in too. The sound you hear is that of the bottom of the toilet being well and truly scraped.
What does Rodney Marsh think?
436 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:12:36
Try My Shits Fucked Up by Warren Zevon and dedicate it to them, because that's how they are.
Or maybe The Downward Pull of Human Nature by John Martyn
437 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:16:22
His excuse? 'I was imitating Basil Fawlty!'
In his autobiography, Alex Ferguson described Bosnisch as a 'terrible professional'.
He's a real 'bewt', as the Aussies would describe their own.
438 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:10
439 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:17
Isn't that an oxymoron by Ferguson?
Just like social distancing.
440 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:50
Why? Because he kidded Richarlison on Twitter about trying to slip the red card back into Oliver's pocket.
441 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:22:55
442 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:25:29
The meejah will have access to this (it's a Getty Image, a platform used by all), but it's not an image doing the rounds in 'cos it doesn't demonise Jordan as much, but gives another perspective of the incident which doesn't fit the dialogue.
In Formula One the stewards would describe this as a 'racing incident' in which yes, there was a coming together of two combatants, but with no case to answer for as there was no deliberate malice by either to deliberately endanger the other.
443 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:30:02
I saw the same one myself, and I think Brian mentioned or posted it somewhere earlier.
At the speed these things happen today it probably takes luck to guarantee getting studs on someone but to suggest "Leg wrapping" as I read earlier is mad. All gone too far.
444 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:30:30
445 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:38:32
446 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:46:34
447 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:54:46
448 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:02:04
We are top of the league and are evolving into a very good team that doesn't roll over. They are shitting themselves.
Long may it continue.
449 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:09:06
450 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:21:03
451 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:21:28
The song could be written for VAR, it's been fucked up since it started, but it's only really fucked up when the outraged suffer, I really wish I was in a pub winding them up right now!
452 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:24:37
453 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:37:37
454 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:41:40
455 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:44:29
He walked the whole way. In fact that annoying Peter Drury said he was coming back on and looked to have shaken it off as he neared the half way line.
456 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:47:29
457 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:47:42
458 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:48:03
459 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:48:28
Warren is one of my favourites mate. I saw him sing that live at the Lowry Centre in Salford years ago. it's about being told about the stuff that finally killed him, but dark humour.
I bet you've heard Werewolves of London though.
I hate Sky sports for their bringing everything down to a headline and trivialising stuff.
Try The Sky is Crying by Elmore James.
And sleep well to May You Never by John Martyn and have a laugh to The Hula Hula Boys by Warren Z
460 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:51:58
Exactly, Klopp said he knew he would be out for a long time as soon as it happened and yet they sent him on a 300 yard stroll in the immediate aftermath.
461 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:54:41
The way he was walking showed no sign of a limp or anything. In fact you'd think from his boat race he'd just been sent off.
Rumour also has it that he had been receiving treatment for a while on "a suspect knee", so make of that what you will.
462 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:57:09
463 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:57:30
Klopp's responses when things don't go his way are truly irresponsible and unprofessional. The persona he presents lacks dignity, decency and sportsmanship, and reflects a cult of personality that is ugly and enough to put folks off football. The guy needs anger management. If he carries on like that he'll have a coronary.
A large segment of the media follows close behind him, their presentation dressed up in a pretence of analysis that distorts facts and propagates lies.
The whole thing is shocking. A veritable lynch mob.
464 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:00:24
For what it's worth, I thought the same thing Klippity did at the moment it happened.
465 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:02:16
466 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:09:51
You are ruining my conspiracy narrative with sensible medical information.
467 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:10:31
I reckon Liverpool should come out and say "Calm Down, Calm down" before something bad happens... but I doubt they will.
Klopp is a Trump - Populist Manager. Says what his fanbase wants to hear. They should be asking him why was Van Dijk playing with pain. Could that explain how Villa took the piss last time out? Van Dijk should always be questioning the way his manager and physios have handled his injury (pain), prior to playing Everton.
468 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:11:58
Let's not forget, when a Liverpool player racially abused another pro, the decision was made to commemorate said racist by wearing T-shirts with his fanged face on while he was banned.
469 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:15:23
471 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:24:56
472 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:28:06
I'd just love to get back to Goodison again. Or just go to the pub with my family again. See my grandson
Life Jim but not as we know it.
Shit, it might be tough but it will pass and life will go on. It always does.
As the Doobies said, Listen To The Music.
473 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:48:49
That was exactly as I described it, a footballing incident, with Pickford doing basically what any other good goalie would have done. Never takes his eye off the ball and there is absolutely no malice.
Van Dijk ended up in the scissor partly because of how he went down. Terrible incident, terrible injury but there but the Grace of God go many people who get tackled in football especially by often thuggish tackles from Van Dijk himself.
474 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:50:37
475 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:52:30
That's actually a quote from Klopp's "speech". He actually said that.
476 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:57:45
478 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:23:59
479 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:27:29
480 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:31:06
And now this, blaming that incident on an existing problem, solely down to Jordan Pickford. Maybe other fans and the general public will see them exposed for the cheats that they are.
481 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:32:14
Yes, he was. A genius for me.
A couple of songs for our time:
The Bland Indifference of Heaven.
482 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:32:25
483 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:39:54
484 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:52:19
485 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:53:23
Brilliant comedy group with some hilarious parodies on popular songs. I wholeheartedly recommend a listen, possibly YouTube to whet your appetite. Came from the Wirral area I believe.
486 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:00:31
487 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:09:44
Probably the most hated fans in Europe, they seem to think that Heysel never happened sadly.
488 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:26:04
There is a part of me that just can't help but wonder what the level of reaction would have been like if we had actually scored from that free-kick which was pretty much the last kick of the game and we ended up winning 3-2. Could you imagine!
Also â€“ wouldn't surprise me to see this incident and the next three games as the making or breaking of Jordan Pickford. Every save he makes in the next three games, there will be pundits screaming out that he shouldn't be there. Equally, any mistakes he makes will be roundly applauded as justice for Van Dijk.
He strikes me as someone who likes the attention so maybe, just maybe, he will see this as an opportunity to grab the headlines for a little longer.
489 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:42:25
490 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:45:39
491 Posted 20/10/2020 at 00:40:23
492 Posted 20/10/2020 at 01:13:17
Derek 'Half Man, Half Biscuit', what a name! Long time since I heard that one.
493 Posted 20/10/2020 at 02:23:07
So Jordan did.
494 Posted 20/10/2020 at 03:32:00
Then, for Henderson's goal, Mane came from an offside position to receive the ball, so offside... or am I wrong?
495 Posted 20/10/2020 at 03:47:48
Lloyd #494 â€“ posed the same question earlier in the thread and I am still not quite sure what the answer is even though Derek #376 & Brian #381 offered possible explanations. ;)
496 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:05:14
497 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:51:45
498 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:52:13
Mind if I pinch it?
500 Posted 20/10/2020 at 07:55:28
Pray to Allah for Salah? :-)
501 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:49:44
502 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:08:13
503 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:35:46
504 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:48:29
505 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:13:34
506 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:38:23
507 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:39:08
508 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:43:59
See pic on this link. Pickford saves from Matt Doherty at Spurs. Only a still bit it looks very much like how he's charged out towards VVD in similar circumstances - both feet off the floor and leading with right leg as he blocks the shot. Obviously its a technique he uses when coming out to block an unmarked player who has got in behind the full back.
509 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:47:34
What happened to the edit facility. Please bring it back for us older fogies who forget to put in links.
510 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:07:00
I hope you're feeling a bit better today. Music can always help to some degree.
That's a great track by JAT. Whatever happened to her?
An old mate, we've known each since we were babies in Walton, lives in Spain these days. He reckoned that just dancing when he felt a bit low really helped, and asked me for a playlist that he could dance along to. On his own!
He said I should do it too. I've not tried it yet but I think my wife, who already thinks I'm eccentric, may think I've gone totally barmy, if she sees that.
511 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:30:31
512 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:00:25
When we beat them in January it will, to them, be a calamity of biblical proportions, an event that will but covid into perspective.
513 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:26:24
I have heard that Mo Salah has forewarned Egypt in preparation for all manner of plagues, befalling his kinsfolk, should the result at Mordor go in our favour. Even has his Mummy worried. :-)
514 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:32:35
515 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:41:56
Listen to Biko Drum by Christie Moore
Not sure my knackered knee and ankle could withstand all that dancing
Too much football, rugby and cross country, to keep fit!
When I get up of a morning it sounds like a symphony of bones.
516 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:43:31
To be honest I am a little tired of the endless resentment and bile poured out towards Pickford. The song Wide eyed and legless befits him, but he is our keeper. OUR keeper and despite his frailties he plays for us. He may be a picnic plate short of a basket sometimes but he is ours and I stand by him.
517 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:45:53
518 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:52:34
519 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:53:24
Let this be a lesson to you Virgil. If you'd stayed in Holland you could have applied for conjugal visits with condoms and necessary lubricants supplied.
Unless you're more imaginative than I am you don't need knees for that kind of hanky panky.
520 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:56:11
That creates a horrid image it will take time to eradicate.
521 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:07:43
522 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:13:20
523 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:14:35
524 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:18:40
Not the KY Jelly I hope. :-)
525 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:37:56
I would like to recommend 2 solutions which our lovable rogue Redshite neighbours can choose from to stop the upcoming mass depression.
Firstly, I think it is only fair for the integrity of football that the Premier League be suspended until Saint Virgil is fit and well again and propping up the joint worse defence in the Premier League. I'm sure our friends in Oslo will be working on a public holiday for Saint Virgil's day from 2021 onwards.
A second option would be to reopen the transfer window just for LFC to go and sign another 75 million pound centre back. Please ignore the fact that Jamie Carragher thinks that Klopp has done wonders with no money to spend, Yes he did say that!
All in all, I'm sure all of us would support this 'Merseyside, Merseyside, Merseyside, and all that'.
Everton's worst performance of the season versus Liverpool's best. Last time I checked, 2-2 constitutes a draw. Imagine if we brought our A game? The return at Anfield in February will set us up nicely for the following weekend's Carabao Cup final.
Hand it over, Liverpool!
526 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:49:45
Christine, do I need to pay you to use that one?
527 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:53:12
528 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:54:59
529 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:45:13
530 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:10:52
531 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:36:04
532 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:42:02
533 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:28:59
534 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:34:31
If Leicester can do it against the odds then he not us.
535 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:03:33
536 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:09:30
537 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:18:00
538 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:49:54
539 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:51:52
540 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:06:05
541 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:30:35
542 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:35:17
543 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:38:02
544 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:39:48
545 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:53:43
Expect a different one of their players each day to come out with more shite until they've all had a go.
546 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:55:43
We're above getting involved and should show it.
547 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:59:18
548 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:00:09
Not - fecking - bothered.
549 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:03:18
Klopp is distraught with worry about where ehe is going to get a centre back from?
550 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:06:24
551 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:11:34
I would love to see the rs sign him. ðŸ¤£
552 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:12:06
Their trouble is they love dishing it out like a school bully but shit themselves when the kid fights back and tun to mummy & daddy or in this case the FA and The Media.
Carlo and his boys sure made their mark this last weekend and its got nothing to do with Pickford, Richarlson, Refs or Var. We stood up to them, would not be intimidated and twice came from behind. They would have expected us to lie down and thank them for showing us how good they are and how shit we should think of ourselves and not get ideas above their perceived perception of us. Yes, it may well be our cup final but we are their nemesis and they are crapping themselves that Everton are finally wakening from too long a slumber. Go get em Carlo.
553 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:14:47
554 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:20:27
This Wijnaldum thing has added fuel and it's now getting beyond belief. They actually don't see anything they do as wrong, anything goes against them is an affront on humanity.
I hope our club respond and plant some seeds of our own. The shit we have taken for decades, players' careers ruined, horrendous tackles, shocking decisions, unbelievable bad luck and the first time I can ever remember any luck for us and against them, it's Armageddon.
555 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:38:21
"Both challenges were difficult to accept, let me say it like that.
"Virgil is our boy, a world-class player and we will miss him. Injuries happen in football, but when two players try to challenge for the ball."
The snidey comment - It did not happen for the first time and not the last.
Quite right Mr Klopp - just ask Nulty, Ebbrell, Naismith, Mirallas, and Neville. Others who have been injured but who got on with - Heath, Bracewell, McCarthy, Coleman, Oviedo, Connolly and most recently Gomes. Shit happens that's life. What your really pissed off about is you took a chance with VVD, you admitted he had pain and has been playing in pain because you didn't get a CB in during the transfer window. That's your fault not Pickfords.
Last season City lost Laporte - did they whinge no they got on with it. Any player can get injured at anytime in a game of football it happens every week, Why oh why are you supposed to be immune. Pickford was stupid we know that. It wasn't deliberate, whereas Sons on Gomes was done with the red mist in his eyes. He got a red which was then rescinded by a media outcry. We were gobsmacked but we got on with it and so did Gomes. Just give it arrest. EFC are back learn to live with it. We are.
556 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:43:49
557 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:45:36
558 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:50:46
Oh mash potato says one, I thought it was going to be Robbo who was gonna nail him first, says the other.
One rule for everyone and another rule for Liverpool? because you don't win leagues if you can't compete. Not for the first time — you're kidding nobody Liverpool, hard done by? Yes. But join the club and fucking get on with it now
559 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:55:09
I can fully understand everyone connected to the other lot, being frustrated, annoyed, and perhaps a tad angry, but usually 3 days after a game, the 'emotional response' is beginning to die down.
Calmer heads would seek to cool the fires and try and get on with what is to them a bad situation. The lack of respect shown by Klopp and his players towards Everton FC is reaching a level that I never thought I would witness.
I can take a lack of respect from former players masquerading as pundits, they can have the same level of emotional baggage as supporters, but from active professionals who are supposed to set the standards and who are allegedly role models for many youngsters, and some adults, I worry about the possible fall-out from this episode.
It's supposed to be a game, not a war, and Klopp's utterances are unwise and unwelcome.
560 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:04:01
561 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:33:26
One whom Fortune's smiles have delighted overmuch, will reel under the shock of change.
Horace, Epistles I, x.30-33.
562 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:46:59
563 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:39:25
Who can remember Tommy Smith coming on the pitch in the Merseyside cup final to take a penalty as a guest or some charity, in front of 100,000 at Wembley, both BBC and ITV audiences live, as well as the rest of the world.
Yes, the older generation will remember the social stopped his disability and dropped him to the lowest rate after the incident and guess what, he blamed it on an Everton fan for naming him to the social, probs was like but what did he expect, if he is stupid enough to go in front of a live audience, and take a penalty.
564 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:49:27
565 Posted 21/10/2020 at 01:34:21
566 Posted 21/10/2020 at 02:26:46
Nostalgia is not what it used to be though! Eh? :-)
567 Posted 21/10/2020 at 02:53:01
Andy Robertson agrees that he should be sent off for dangerous tackling on Allan. LOL just a joke out of context
568 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:51:44
Although she now lives in the USA, I am known as Nanna Everton by my grandson aged two.
569 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:53:26
I don't know why but I think it might have had something to do with the voice of the advert announcer, who as I recall sounded a bit like Hitchcock sounded when he used to introduce the TV programme "Alfred Hitchcock Presents".
Totally off subject - but I just thought I'd mention it.
Having said that - it may not be that far off subject because the ongoing treatment of Pickford by the RS and media is turning into a "Horror Show" in its own right.
570 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:58:17
571 Posted 21/10/2020 at 09:17:27
572 Posted 21/10/2020 at 11:23:31
573 Posted 21/10/2020 at 14:45:47
On topic - what fucks me off is that not one pundit that I have read/heard has made the point that VVD was as committed to that ball as Pickford was. It's always going to be dicey with these combative 50/50s and it (the injury) could have gone either way. I genuinly have a begrudging sympathy for VVD, but time for the inquisition to move on I think.
A million a month will buy enough pain relief I think.
574 Posted 21/10/2020 at 18:41:51
575 Posted 21/10/2020 at 19:15:59
576 Posted 21/10/2020 at 19:38:04
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