Richarlison is included again as Carlo Ancelotti goes for a number of his first-team regulars against Premier League opposition
Everton 4 - 1 West Ham Utd
Everton's Carabao Cup journey continues with their most difficult assignment in the competition thus far in 2020-21 as West Ham United come to Goodison Park.
Kenny and Nkounkou start in a strong line-up that includes Allan and Rodriguez. Anthony Gordon misses out completely tonight because of illness. No place in the squad for Moise Kean and Theo Walcott.
The game got underway after the team names were read out in an eerily empty and ghostly silent Goodson Park that we should be used to by now, but remains such a strange sign of the times.
The Blues soon started to move the ball around with confidence, looking to draw the Hammers out and create a break but Calvert-Lewin gave the ball away very cheaply and it set up the first West Ham break. Four times in the first 5 minutes they played it back to Pickford in order to retain possession.
The visitors got a brief look-in but they could only build slowly down the left this time. Everton continued to pass the ball around without getting close to threatening the Park End goal.
Anderson got the first shot off and Pickford had to dive to smother it. James tried to open things up with a fine pass out to Kenny but his cross hit a defender. But Keane dug a lovely lob forward out of nothing, Calvert-Lewin taking it brilliantly on his toe before delicately chipping it beyond the keeper and into the net for a very fine first goal.
A loose pass by Delph set up another Hammers attack but Everton seemed to be defending well until Keane bundled over Creswell as the ball hit the Hammer's hand... He gave Everton the free-kick. Everton were given another free-kick in a more advanced position but James delivered it too far ahead, straight to Randolph.
Nkounkou had hardly been involved, Everton strangely reluctant to bring him into game with nothing going down that side. A lovely turn of play by Allan set Richarlison off and Randolph was just able to push the unorthodox shot, made under pressure, up and over the bar, with nothing coming from the corner.
Rodriguez set up a wonderful pass for Richarlison to convert for his second, squirming under Randolph and across the line but the linesman had cannily spotted that Richarlison had ventured barely a foot offside.
At the other end, Creswell was able to cross but Haller missed a tasty-looking diving header. The Blues laboured a little, their slick passing game seeing them again only able to work it back to Pickford.
Yarmolenko created an amazing chance for Lannzini but it proved too difficult for him to connect with. James then went on a tantalizing mazy diagonal run that promised much, ending in a corner that Delph could only push well wide.
Out of a defensive position, James looked up and played in a perfect ball for Calvert-Lewin to chase down the left. The Yorkshireman did everything right, cutting in and getting it onto his right foot for a less-than-brilliant curling shot that should really have hit the top corner of the net... but flew agonizingly over. Still it may count as a rare properly struck shot from him outside the area!
West Ham still looked to present some danger when they came forward, but Pickford was yet to be really tested. Kenny hurt his ankle in one of their attacks, awkwardly blocking a cross, and Coleman replaced him.
Everton made heavy weather of things then, and Lanzini could easily have scored an equalizer with a simple reader that bounced wide.
Twinkling feet from Rodriguez got him into the area, laying the ball off for Richarlison, but his weak cross/shot was easy for Randolph to gather. The half finished with a difficult chance for Rodriguez that he fired high and wide across the goal.
West Ham drove forward smartly from the kickoff and Snodgrass fired home a very well hit strike to beat Pickford all hands down after just 26 seconds of the restart.
Everton tried to respond, mounting a series of pressing attacks, with Richarlison striking the post from a narrow angle, but West Ham resisted the pressure resolutely, Calvert-Lewin shooting again from the 18-yard line, but wildly and uncontrolled.
Everton continued to build nicely and they finally got the reward after Richarlison cut in and his shot took a sharp deflection to the left off the arse of Declan Rice, leaving Randolph well stranded going the other way.
Richarlison twisted his ankle badly off the ball and needed attention, but he came back on before the hour mark, with Ancelotti no doubt determined to keep a strong attacking force on the field. But the Brazilian broke down again and was finally removed from the action, with Iwobi replacing him.
West Ham kept pushing and pressing, Yarmealenko almost setting up Lanzini for a strike on goal. Rodriguez tried to release Iwobi down the left but his pass was unusually too far ahead of the ex-Arsenal man.
Allan was worringly the next to hit the turf, clutching at his groin. He was clearly in some distress, replaced by Doucouré on 69 minutes. Rodriquez, Iwobi and Sigurdsson did well in a nice move down the left until the Icelander played it across to no-one and it was all hands to the pumps at the other end as West Ham searched ever harder for another equalizer.
A wonderful chance for Haller saw him execute a difficult acrobatic shot that Pickford was more than equal to, but the pressure was now relentless, the soft underbelly of old Everton only saved by some fine interceptions and good forward running by Doucouré.
But Calvert-Lewin would very fortunately benefit when Iwobi's shot came back off the post and it fell nicely for him to convert his second of the night, 7th of the season.
More brilliant work by Rodriguez allowed Sigurdsson to drive forward and play in Calvert-Lewin who finished much more clinically for his hat-trick, and Everton's fourth goal of the night, a huge relief after Moyes's plucky little Hammers had put the frighteners on the Blues at times.
West Ham still weren't finished despite the scoreline, Lanzini on the end of a cross but he couldn't keep his header down. Yarmolenko was next to threaten with a lob over Pickford but he had not beaten the offside flag. A tricky corner then almost crept through, followed by another that Pickford had to punch sky-high. The Blues thus played out the final minutes mostly in defence, but to secure a vital place in the Quarterfinals.
Scorers: Calvert-Lewin (11', 78', 84'), Richarlison 56'; Snodgrass (46')
Everton: Pickford, Kenny (41' Coleman), Keane, Digne, Nkounkou, Delph, Sigurdsson, Allan, Rodriguez, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
Subs: Lössl, Mina, (' Doucouré) Davies, Bernard (' Iwobi).
West Ham United: Randolph, Balbuena, Johnson, Rice, Noble, Cresswell, Snodgrass, Lanzini, Anderson, Yarmolenko, Haller.
Subs: Trott, Ogbonna, Masuaku, Ashby, Soucek, Bowen, Fornals.
Reader Comments (236)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:50:53
2 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:51:35
3 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:51:53
Unless any more good links come in, it'll be that.
4 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:51:59
5 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:52:40
Kenny Keane Digne Nkounkou
James Allan Delph Siggy
Subs: Lossl, Mina, Coleman, Davies, Doucoure, Bernard, Iwobi
No Kean and Gordon on the bench!
6 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:53:20
7 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:53:36
8 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:55:07
9 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:56:29
10 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:56:36
11 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:56:51
Can't understand no Gordon- hope he doesn't get disillusioned
12 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:57:03
13 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:57:27
14 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:58:13
I know i'd rather see Gordon to any of Bernard, Davies, or Iwobi.
Surprised to see James play.
Kean has clearly not impressed, and hopefully we can get a move for him and have time to get a 3rd striker in - Edouard from Celtic or Maxi from Valencia would be great.
15 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:58:55
16 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:59:28
17 Posted 30/09/2020 at 18:59:35
Explaining their absence in the traditional ToffeeWeb way "It's probably something they said to Moyes and Round in training."
18 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:00:14
Maybe an indication that Kean is off soon.
Walcott is not in Carlo's plans , it couldn't be more clear, he will struggle to make the match day squad . If he wants to play football he will have to get his agent to engineer a move for himself.
It is a strong team selection, it will surprise West Ham and I like it that Carlo is showing some intent and that he is taking this very seriously. I am expecting a strong performance from us.
19 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:03:01
20 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:04:19
21 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:07:30
22 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:08:25
23 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:09:44
24 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:10:52
25 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:12:39
26 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:15:54
The talking point is who doesn't make the match day squad. Kean, Gordon and Walcott all absent.
Derek, wifi and tablet allowing, the VIP site typically only starts broadcasting very close to KO time.
Hope it comes through for you.
27 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:16:58
28 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:21:11
29 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:28:21
30 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:32:37
31 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:33:48
32 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:36:10
33 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:39:45
34 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:42:14
Then click on football and look for Everton. Quite a few links there.
35 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:42:43
Stream now up and running a treat here:
36 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:43:16
Thanks for the tip. Looks much better than other sites on my phone
37 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:45:06
Otherwise, compact 2nd half if winning.
38 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:57:02
39 Posted 30/09/2020 at 19:57:27
Wow. Messi kind of stuff there.
Not too shabby from Keane either.
40 Posted 30/09/2020 at 20:17:35
41 Posted 30/09/2020 at 20:40:07
We are so slick on the ball these days. If anyone has been wasteful on the ball, it's James! His radar just a wee bit off.
Who was about to give some grief to Michael Keane for his 360 degree turn on the ball, heavily under pressure, only to supremely turn away from his man and deliver a sumptious ball forward to DCL?
The #9 still had a bit to do, but his one touch to bring the ball down and second touch to finish was that of a man in form.
Nasty ankle turn for JJK. Hope he is OK.
One goal is never enough. Let's put this to bed early in the 2nd half.
42 Posted 30/09/2020 at 20:59:27
A defender has become very much a priority now, I hope we go and get a top quality first team starter not a reserve backup player thar lowers the quality.
Not Sidibe, not good enough.
43 Posted 30/09/2020 at 21:56:30
44 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:01:23
45 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:03:57
46 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:05:00
47 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:05:39
Injuries can happen anytime.
But a very good win.
48 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:06:19
What was most pleasing was that the injuries didn't disrupt us mentally and indeed we maintained our crisp attacking system into which the subs slotted.
Let's carry on being different.
49 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:07:11
It's a big squad, we have plenty of options for Saturday.
50 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:08:59
This is why we get so annoyed at the â€˜fans' who come on the internet slagging off our own young players.
Championship at best.
51 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:09:36
52 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:10:40
53 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:12:28
Delph, Siggy has good games and Keane is turning into a very impressive centre half.
Well done DCL. When was last everton striker to score successive hat tricks?
54 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:12:46
Shame about Richie he was absolutely sensational until he got injured. For me despite the delights of James, the goals of DCL and the competitiveness of Allan and Doucoure he's been the standout player for me this season. The lad is an outstanding talent.
55 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:13:02
56 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:13:12
A lot of midfield sloppiness from us but it would be churlish to labour any complaints.
Hope the injuries arent too bad..bit of ice on that groin and ankle... be grand.
57 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:14:20
Feels weird watching an Everton side that don't crumble when the opposition score. If anything it seems to make us play better.
58 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:14:56
Jonjoe was playing well and Anderson didn't look like he fancied it against him, but it was an awkward twist, and I'd say 6-8 weeks.
It wouldn't surprise me if Richarlison was fit for Saturday, if not he won't have to go to Brazil, and should be fit and rested for the Liverpool game.
Delph, was very good, but even the hat-trick man can't get motm, after watching that tonight. I normally hate this shout because it's a team game, or even a squad game nowadays, the way Dacorue gave us so much more pace and power and really helped us when he came on, but how good was Rodriguez? I thought he was absolutely IncredibleðŸ‘
59 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:15:00
Thing is, that's all he was for so long... Championship at Best.
Now, finally, after how many years, he's showing signs of being a real striker.
It's not "slagging off"... or "character assassination", as I saw on some other thread. I can't understand why some fans have this problem with other fans being honest and realistic.
60 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:16:06
61 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:16:43
Come on guys, the injuries have not been confirmed as yet so we are still in the dark. The LFC love machine, the BBC, is in wank phase reporting that Everton have suffered injuries to star players for a league cup game.
The last 20 minutes proved we can still play and you can see the confidence in players who were absolutely shite last season..
62 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:16:46
63 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:20:15
64 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:21:36
A very good player now but more should come.
65 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:22:18
66 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:22:52
This team inspires confidence and belief and long may it continue.
The only downside is the injuries.
67 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:23:14
F.all chance of the derby.
Fancy playin those two with a shot at winning a derby after all these years.
That was our priority.
Ie there would be more euphoria twettin them than lifting THAT 00 0
68 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:24:08
That's the first time I've mentioned it.
Slagging off a young player is such an easy, cowardly, negative way to approach being a â€˜supporter'.
I bet you're â€˜more than happy' now, but you don't deserve the success when your reaction to the tough times was so negative and unpleasant.
He was 21, learning his trade and doing a really decent job, but some people just wanted to focus on the negatives. And to then claim that you're the â€˜honest and realistic' ones actually makes my blood boil.
69 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:24:17
70 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:24:47
That was good to watch, again.
We are so good on the ball, and for the first time in my time supporting this club, we are actually dictating games rather than passively responding to how the opposition set up.
And we constantly pass with intent. No aimless sideways stuff, there is always a plan. And the quality of passing is fantastic. Not just James, who's passing I could watch on a reel, but everyone's. What a transformation.
71 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:26:31
72 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:26:57
James is pure poetry to watch! Not going overboard but nothing can come close to his class! Only maybe Sheedy? That I've seen!
73 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:27:46
Let's hope the three injuries are not too bad for the three players involved.
74 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:28:07
75 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:28:18
76 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:28:56
The left back played well, Keane continues to get better and surprise (some of us!) and Digne was also very good.
I was cursing Iwobi, but his shot made the third goal, and it was great to see us taking the sting out the game, when West Ham were on top, whilst our last goal was simply beautiful football.
We have gone from a team who couldn't string six passes together, into one that can move the ball quickly, with simple five yard balls, which is only possible because of movement, and is hopefully something that is only going to get better.
I made up with Everton tonight, I thought the players were missing the crowd to help get them over the line, but they didn't need us, such was the quality at times!
77 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:29:16
78 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:29:20
In my opinion Allan will be out 3 weeks and Richi 10 days, maybe doctors suprise me!
Hope I get it wrong and it's less haha
Great win and it'll be interesting to see how well lineup on Saturday
I'll go for Pickford Coleman Mina Keane digne Gomes Doucoure Bernard Iwobi Kean(?) (don't wanna risk James nor think Carlo could after today's injuries) and DCL. Tough selection! But I trust Ancelotti and our squad!
And this won't sound grea
79 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:29:27
80 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:30:36
81 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:30:50
82 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:31:04
I can't get too excited about the win because of the injuries to Allan, Richie and Kenny. I hope they are not too serious as Allan and Richarlison are key players for us and Kenny is essential backup for Coleman.
Shows the importance having some back up, there's 40+ games to,play and we will need a couple more signings to strengthen key positions.
If Godfrey can play DCM to a high standard as well as regular CB role he could be a perfect signing to cover for both positions, and push for a starting berth.
For the long season we will definitely need back up for the forward line too if Kean gets his move back to Juve.
83 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:31:54
84 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:31:59
Seamus with his renaissance, long may it continue. All the regular first 11 played well. Nooukou acquitted himself well against Yarmalenko; the lad can defend too.
The squad looks so much more composed and professional, it's hard to believe.
Hope the injuries aren't as bad as I'd feared watching the match.
Felt sorry for Bernard not getting on; he busted a gut against Fleetwood and can contribute.
Think Kean wants back home. Too bad. Think he lacks maturity tbh. We'll need to get in some cover up front in that case.
85 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:32:13
To win this game 4-1, was some feat and some superb finishing.
I salute Michael Keane and DCL, for their respective vision and sublime first touch and finish.
Richarlison, is becoming a warrior in every game for the EFC cause, and I hope JJK, recovers quick to fight for his place in the EFC squad.
Hopefully we can get a strong squad for Brighton. Beat Brighton, and then a week, to exercising Old Nick.
Show the same vision, belief and finishing each game, then, we have a chance of some great results.
4-1, win and some will say we didn't play well, well to hell, we won and won, well. You make and earn your luck in football, and for sure the team will have to, and will keep working hard to sustain this form.
The confidence barrel, is maturing nicely this season.
Long may it last, and now for Brighton.
All, Stay safe and well.
86 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:35:24
“ But Calvert-Lewin would very fortunately benefit when Iwobi's shot came back off the post and it fell nicely for him to convert his second of the night, 7th of the season.â€
A bit grudging there Michael. He wasn't fortunate. He made it happen by following it up, like all good goalscorers do. He's a young man who has been learning his trade. It's not fortunate or a coincidence that he is scoring more tap in goals now under Ancelloti. He's working hard at staying in the middle of the pitch, evading defenders and following shots in. He's spending far less time out wide chasing dead balls.
The goals he has been scoring are exactly what has been lacking in his game previously. He was the difference tonight.
87 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:36:07
88 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:36:25
89 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:36:47
Like Prometheus or Frankenstein he hath created a monster, long may it continue. Hope the injuries don't come back to haunt us, win against Brighton, maintain our position at or near the top,then it's 2 weeks to get them all fit again.
A good tonic indeed tonight.
90 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:37:14
91 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:37:32
Just the other day on a thread Mike Gaynes and I were saying DCL can't shoot from outside the box. Others reckoned he can and does at FF. Maybe it's a confidence thing and obviously he felt brace enough to try tonight. Didn't end well but I was pleased to see him at least try and prove me wrong. He's got the tap ins down, if he can get the longer range shots he'll move to top level
92 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:38:07
Don't know why we would prioritise it with three points on Sat far more valuable.The injuries also are a huge downside.
93 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:38:48
We are playing with a confidence, and panache, I haven't seen for a long time. James and Allan have transformed the team and Carlo is weaving his magic.
It's early days but you can see the likes of Seamus, Delph, Sigurdsson, Keane etc... totally reinvigorated. Long may it continue.
94 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:38:51
95 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:39:19
96 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:39:25
97 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:41:30
Seems those who were prepared to write him off were wrong and perhaps should have the good grace to accept they were.
Maybe the same is true of Tom Davis
98 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:42:17
Just hope Alan's injury isn't too bad, but I fear it'll be 3-4 weeks. Richi seemed not too bad, so hope he'll be right for RS. We've got a squad now though, we'll be right.
By the end though I was wishing Carlo took James off and played with 10, he's simply irreplaceable. What a player, galactico at Goodison!
99 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:42:38
Just read your other post telling me to lighten up Terry, and with my football head on, I find it a lot easier to make constructive criticism, when the team has won, and the player I was talking about scored three.
When he put one in the second half, his technique was very poor, and he ended up falling over, possibly even doing a forward role. He got up smiling, but he's playing with better players now, players who want to win, and the smile was replaced by a much more serious face, and this is what I want to see off Everton players mate.
100 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:43:29
Possibly 2 changes at the weekend to our usual starting 11
Thankfully Delph seemed to come through uninjured and as he has played really well in both his games should start in place of Allen
Up front might be more an issue with Richie possibly being out. Gordon if fit, Iwobi if not
101 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:45:24
102 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:45:48
It's good to see DCL around the the 6 yard box and scoring. It is a massive asset to be able to react fastest in the box to any loose ball or opportunity. DCL has been reacting fast regularly now and getting goals because of it.
There will always be an element of luck involved but I always believe that strikers make their own luck by being in the right place at the right time, having balance and alertness and banging them in before defenders react.
103 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:47:46
If we'd have got beat tonight cue the "another false dawn" shouts. To me Ancellotti has got it spot on. Go to win every game.
104 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:48:36
Much as I admire your loyalty, there are numerous ways to express your affection for the club, and critical analysis is one of them. I have been one of those who have doubted DCL's capacity to make it in the PL. I still do. A few goals in, what, less than a tenth of a season does not mean future stardom. He is not clinical, misses chances better strikers would bury. I recall Marcus Bent had one amazing season for us, then disappeared to the lower leagues. This is one very tough gig in the top division, even more so now.
When Everton contributed, what was it, 6 players to that England World Cup win, the guy who I thought would make it was Lookman. That hasn't worked out, shows you how hard it is to call future stars. Next up wasn't Dowell or Kenny but DCL because he has such strong physical attributes; pace, power. heading ability, stamina. I wasn't convinced by his technique. My hunch was Championship level. No shame in that, it's still a very good level. I'm, still not convinced by his technique but of all that group plus Davies, he clearly in in with the best shout now of making it at the very highest level. I really hope he does. maybe a modern Joe Royle if we really got lucky. But let's not set the expectation bar too high, as I say, PL is a seriously tough gig and it's hard to crack it for a sustained period.
105 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:50:33
106 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:50:39
Who was the last player to score a hat trick in successive home games? I am not 100% sure but I know Dixie Dean did so in November 1931 when he scored five against Chelsea and four against Leicester. So some room for improvement, Dominic!
107 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:51:15
Everton where on top for the first quarter but West Ham where able to spoil James play in the second quarter anf force Cal vert Lewin deep. They where probably happy to go in losing 1-0 and came out motivated in the second half half and caught Everton cold like West Brom. !!!!!
Thought Sigurdsson had a great game partnering James in midfield, with some great position play. Delph really good. Calvert Lewin took his chances cleaning and well, but balloned two shots over the bar. Richarlison was really good and Iowbi did well on substitution. As did Doucoure for Allan. Defence where solid and Keane passing was outstanding. Digne wasn't out of place and Colman added, on replacing Kenny. Nkounkou a real pro. Pickford confident without being cockie.
Really good team performance, but the injuries are worrying.
108 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:55:13
So by “real silverwareâ€ I assume you win the league? If so, you honestly think on one hand we are going to win it, but that on the other hand losing a couple of players for maybe a few weeks will be the difference between winning the league and missing out on “joining the Euro elite.â€? Hate to break it you but realistically various players will miss games due to injuries or suspensions this year that have nothing to do with the “Mickey Mouseâ€ cup.
109 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:55:45
I was told to lighten up, (only messing Terry!) but I thought it was significant how quickly his smile was replaced by a much sterner face, after James, gave him a little glare, and this is how he will get to the next level imo, because better players demand more, and make you realise how good you can be?
Being serious again, I thought Pickford, looked more confident, but he's got to sort his feet out, or was it his position, that he set himself to early for their goal!
110 Posted 30/09/2020 at 22:57:45
What a load of crap.
111 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:02:05
Yet another mini-test passed. Won first 6 games for first time since 1938/39. 20 goals scored. DCL's two hat tricks in consecutive home games first time for an Everton player since John Willy Parker in the fifties. One for Dave Abrahams and John Mc Snr to enlighten us more about.
Only happened to one other player managed by Carlo: CR7. Good company! Each of Dom's goals tonight is exactly what you want from your striker.
The quality of the football, even from those who looked so hapless last season, is a delight to behold right now.
Delph was excellent and if it comes to it can cover for Allan v Brighton. Richy will be a bigger miss if injured. Nobody can substitute for the threat he carries going forward combined with his outstanding defensive work.
Looking at the bigger picture, it might even work in our favour that he isn't fit for Brighton and so has to drop out of travelling to South America for Brazil's WC qualifiers.
Such a feel-good factor at the moment. And the women comfortably saw off Birmingham 3-0 to reach their cup final.
112 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:02:21
Not meaning this as a slight on DCL in anyway but I'm never expected to read a comparison between Dixie and DCL. That's what 8 goals in 4 1/2 games?
113 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:03:23
The lad cannot strike a ball properly like a Lukaku, Rooney or a Kane but he can generate enough power with his side foot finish to bury a chance.
I don't think he is clinical enough or has enough all round ability to be the answer to bring us silverware but you can't deny he is improving every year and is on fire at the minute, long may it continue.
Up Carlo's toffees bringing the pride back to blues!
114 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
Everton need a cup run to give the squad match time, but there are risks which have to be overcome to do this.
115 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
Everton need a cup run to give the squad match time, but there are risks which have to be overcome to do this.
116 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
Everton need a cup run to give the squad match time, but there are risks which have to be overcome to do this.
117 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
118 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
119 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:07:40
120 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:08:40
121 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:08:41
122 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:10:25
Honestly, that turn and ball to Dom was almost as good as anything we've seen from the man himself. It was unreal!
123 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:10:28
124 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:11:04
125 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:11:52
126 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:12:17
There's a football conspiracy novel in there.
127 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:13:03
128 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:17:12
any footballer can strike a ball cleanly and hard, to a point. DCL needs to nail doing it under pressure, whether from the opposition or himself. It's a mental thing, it will come, it's just coming late after the other improvements.
129 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:18:40
I thought the opposite, I thought the Hammers were targetting JonJoe's side of the pitch and we gained a bit more solidity when Seamus came on. Both the young full-backs didn't play as well as they have previously this season.
130 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:19:22
131 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:21:14
132 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:21:18
Brian, I thought that myself, if we had another centre half Digne could have reverted to left back and Nkounkou tried down the left. I think he'd excel there. He was clearly under orders not to attack so much tonight, probably due to our makeshift back line.
133 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:21:50
134 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:23:02
135 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:24:16
136 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:24:28
137 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:25:09
138 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:26:00
139 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:31:18
140 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:31:58
I have a wry smile when I read Messrs Kenrick and Wood above, and others, still trying to justify their vehement repeated criticism of DCL in the last couple of seasons, when he'd just turned 20.
He's always worked hard despite a paucity of service, until this season, that'd make a wimp cry. Now he's getting the service he and Richie need to flower. Many of us have repeatedly supported him on here, as fans tend to do.
The lad's a beast to even the best defences and may improve to the point where the world's his oyster. I hope he does it with us!
141 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:37:58
Compared to mega money signings elsewhere, we have truly secured an absolute bargain.
I've defended DCL both on here and in Gladys St, when many were screaming for his blood. My personal favourite Everton all time centre forward, Gary Lineker, would have been proud of his Dom's goal. A typical Lineker strike.
142 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:38:57
Does anyone know for sure which one is correct.
143 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:41:22
Even some of our own fans don't seem able to see this lad's trajectory. He's not great at striking the ball outside the box, but then that's not his game! James is a bit shit at scoring tap ins...he can't half strike a ball outside the box though!
For what he is good at - basically playing as a number 9 - this lad is as good a prospect as anyone his age in football currently. He's always had something, and it's great to see it coming together. His mentality seems to set him apart - he seems to be embracing the pressure of scoring 20 goals as Everton's number 9, rather than suffering from it.
People who wrote him off previously should acknowledge his upward curve. The way he took his first and third goals tonight was superb. The other West Ham fans I was with felt he was the main difference between the 2 teams.
DCL is going to be a 20 goal a season striker for us. Who cares if they are tap ins? Or headers? Or one on ones when he has run through on goal? He can score all types of goal except 25 yarders. He is England's 3rd best striker currently, behind Kane and Ings, and he is improving every day. I wouldn't bet against him becoming England's main man in the next year or two...
144 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:41:39
145 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:42:26
146 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:46:15
147 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:49:29
148 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:50:32
Who is interested if he's “luckyâ€ or the ball hits him on the arse to go in
This lad is finding the net regularly. We've been desperate for a regular goalscorer and so far he's hit the nail on the head.
Let's just enjoy this as much as he's enjoying it and keep our fingers crossed it continues and he keeps free of injury
149 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:51:30
150 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:55:07
151 Posted 30/09/2020 at 23:57:44
Digne brings balance to the side both being left footed and handling the ball, it speeds up the tempo and we look so much better for it. Whilst not the answer we might see him play there against poorer sides.
Sigurdsson might be getting it, at last, spending most of the game with his back to goal and turning away when he received it made me mental. It slows our play down considerably. However in the second half he began to do the opposite, turning towards the goal. The difference was night and day.
I also thought Doucoure was superb when he came on.
West ham only came into when our pace slowed down, James was exquisite tonight, ran it from start to finish.
152 Posted 30/09/2020 at 00:05:12
As for the Hammers fans, they probably go their intel on the “donkeyâ€ from Everton fans. I always rated DCL work rate, build up and intelligence. His scoring rate wasn't great. Now it is. But he was never a donkey or championship at best. Championship at best would be the other under 23 players who ironically are built up by DCL critics, Carlo critics and Keane critics.
153 Posted 30/09/2020 at 00:13:34
On a side note, I really liked the way Siggy and James played together. They both have the ability to open up a packed defence and be a goal threat around the edge of the box.
Finally, big shout out for Delph. I've never been a real fan of his but was hopeful his experience would help when we signed him. Does the unspectacular well.
154 Posted 01/10/2020 at 00:19:49
155 Posted 01/10/2020 at 00:29:20
Being utterly wrong is fine. I have done it a million times on this site. Anyway, things look good.
156 Posted 01/10/2020 at 00:29:21
157 Posted 01/10/2020 at 00:37:50
158 Posted 01/10/2020 at 00:47:16
Since Carlo came and put more emphasis on controlled possession and attack he is revelling in the support.
I don't see how anyone can criticise a lad with such a workrate and scoring record.
159 Posted 01/10/2020 at 01:10:46
160 Posted 01/10/2020 at 01:28:35
Delph might be one of those who not only appears to play better with better players around him but actually does.
As the 1970 Brazil manager said...'For all the maestros to play, somebody first has to shove the piano on stage.'
While the Doctor is writing sicknotes for A!!an and Richarlson he can write a few more, for Mina, Rodriguez and the others.
Job done, in the draw for the next round but with a cost. We should be able to see off Brighton, then 2 weeks off.
161 Posted 01/10/2020 at 02:02:36
You don't have to have been right, you don't have to have been wrong. Who gives a stuff?
He's improved on so many facets of his game, plus been put in with better players. You can never be sure how a player will develop, just be thankful that he has.
That's said, there's one element of his game that I always thought was unfairly criticised. Lack of movement. I even saw people claim Moise Kean had better movement (anyone who has seen him live will understand that he has zero movement).
DCL's movement didn't used to be what it is now. But in close situations, it was always good. Call it natural striker sort of stuff.
The second goal today was a great example. Go back and watch it.
On the face of things the goal was exactly as Michael reported it - which isn't intended as a dig by me at all.
But Calvert-Lewin would very fortunately benefit when Iwobi's shot came back off the post and it fell nicely for him to convert his second of the night, 7th of the season.
There's one camera angle which actually captures what he did. He didn't just gamble on the far post. With his back to goal, he turned his defender in three directions in one second, before gambling on the far post.
When you see it, you'll agree it was a bit special. Much, much better than just being in the right place.
162 Posted 01/10/2020 at 02:09:56
Pulls out onto the left back, runs him infield, twists outside, twists back inside again and goes from being marked by a goal side defender to being in metres of space.
It's awesome to watch. Still lucky that it gets to him, but the harder you work, the luckier you get!
163 Posted 01/10/2020 at 02:31:50
He works his butt off, unlike Lukaku. His commitment and goals per game ratio will soon make Duncan Ferguson look like what he was, a shyster choosing to squander God-given talent in selfish pursuit of his personal interests, and fuck the fans.
To me he can go to the top. Sure he'll hit a barren spell, as every striker does, but his heart will prevail.
And when it comes to shooting outside the box I hope he keeps on trying. I'm old enough to remember the legendary Bobby Charlton for scoring fabulous long-distance goals but I also remember he put many more into the terraces.
And the scorers-supreme like Greaves, Muller and Law also missed sitters a-plenty on their way to legend. It's just that there was next to no coverage of them compared to today.
164 Posted 01/10/2020 at 04:30:32
165 Posted 01/10/2020 at 05:28:40
For younger players like him, it isn't a case of being right or wrong in the past when assessing their performance or potential. It is an evolution with young players and some will reach the level expected and others won't. But the context in which they perform is crucial.
If DCL, Davies, Kenny, Holgate, even Lookman, had joined the first team squad with good quality, motivated senior pros to guide them then fair enough. They didn't, in fact quite the opposite. When you add in managers who constantly misused them, then is was probably right to encourage them rather than write them off. The difference now is night and day.
166 Posted 01/10/2020 at 07:16:26
Your â€˜appeal to the referee' (especially when you know he's on your side!) might be a new level of pathetic. Congratulations!
167 Posted 01/10/2020 at 08:27:46
168 Posted 01/10/2020 at 08:39:11
Amazing all those previous posters who were having a go at him purely due to impatience on their part.
We can all see the benefits of time and progress, I hope this applies to any other young talent that we bring through.
We done to DCL for proving the doubters wrong.
169 Posted 01/10/2020 at 08:50:36
As for Ernie, you have it spot on regards his movement for the tap in, Linekar was the master at being in the right place at the right time but I guarantee Linekar did not make such an effort to get his marker out of position and steal the extra yard like DCL did last night. It was amazing to watch, on the face of it his simplest goal but one which took the most effort.
170 Posted 01/10/2020 at 08:52:19
Championship standard at best implies that he will never make it in the Premier League because even when he matures to his best, he will still be Championship standard.
So, to put it bluntly, those who were saying this were wrong.
(A lot of room for improvement would have been more accurate).
171 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:00:04
I know football fans, if Lewin puts them two shots over the bar in a very tight, or even big game, the way we are playing, then we won't be happy, and neither will the player or his team-mates.
Football is about improving, and this is something Dominic, has been doing every year, so why stop now?
John P, I saw the game like you, couldn't find enough great words to describe James Rodriguez last night, thought Delph, was everything I was hoping he would be when we signed him, but it was probably Luca Digne, who made as big a difference, simply because he really sped the play up from the back.
172 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:05:46
I disagree. When I look at a player, I'm looking at how is playing now. Not what he will be like in 2, 5, 10 years time. I don't know that. I venture that no-one truly knows that either. They may think they do... but they do not and they cannot.
When watching Calvert-Lewin for most of the previous 3Â½ season – yes, even including last season, when he scored 14 goals – he really didn't look convincing as a Premier League striker. Sorry, but that's what I felt when watching him – especially in those 10 dreadful (and goalless) performances under "Project Restart".
All his glaring limitations have been gone over a thousand times so I'm not going to repeat them. But the perfectly valid shorthand for that at the time was "Championship at best".
There appears to have been a amazing transformation in his play over the short summer break, as he himself has hinted in terms of training guidance from Ancelotti. Obviously, it seems to be working remarkably well.
But that will never change the established past: he really was only "Championship at best".
173 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:14:06
I also have to say again how good Allan and James are. They have to be the bargains of the window. Definitely up there with the best players to play in an Everton shirt the last 30 years.
174 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:19:21
This goes back to Silva's first season when originally Niasse and Tosun where thought to be contenders to lead the attack. I know that's hard to believe now. What did happen was that Calvert-Lewin put the work in over the Summer and the two contenders were reassigned to deadwood.
Last season, we all reluctantly admitted there was no other choice. This season, it is accepted he leads the attack, but needs a bit of fine-tuning on certain skills.
Steady progress and improvement for a 23-year-old, as per ToffeeWeb.
175 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:25:08
They couldn't cut the mustard in the early days â€“ and it was being honest to say so at the time.
It was also legitimate to make an informed guess, a prediction, as to whether they would improve; but, rationally, that could be no more than that â€“ a prediction, not knowledge about the future.
Later they could cut the mustard â€“ and it was also honest to say so.
So it is with Calvert-Lewin. He couldn't. He now can. It's all going good for Calvert-Lewin and for Everton. I predict that will continue for him and us â€“ but I can't know.
176 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:30:16
I totally agree about Michael Keane's recent contributions â€“ he's taken flak in the past; I hope we can acknowledge his current contributions. Some of his incisive passes in the last few games â€“ on the ground, in the air...
177 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:31:06
Absolutely not going to claim I predicted Calvert-Lewin would be playing this well but the lad clearly had the attributes to help him progress â€“ physicality, engine, work-rate, determination, the ability to be coached, positive attitude. Compare and contrast with what we've seen from Kean so far. Dom's attitude made me root for him to succeed. Kean? Honestly could care less.
The new signings, for various reasons, have elevated most of those who look lost last season. Along with Ancelotti, obviously. Our play is now slick and composed. We handled what was, on paper, a strong West Ham team â€“ full of players that have, at one time or another, played well in the Premier League and are trying to break into their first 11 â€“ with ease. No panicky, hands-to-the-pump defending, rushed clearances. The one-touch passing was impressive and from many that did not show this last season, or even previously.
Some of them, who looked done are blossoming with the new signings. Delph, who I was skeptical about from the off, impressed. Sigurdsson was like a different man entirely, the slow, indecisive, reactive player suddenly replaced with a top-class footballing doppelganger! Seamus seems to have had 2 brand new legs grafted onto his body! Carlo rates him very highly and he's responded. Richarlison looks like a player on the fringes of world-class. Not only a direct, focused threat that terrifies defenders but his all-round effort is astonishing.
Best tackler in our team? Quite possibly. Michael Keane is improving and looking a top defender. Digne at CB? I doubted this, especially going up against a big striker like Haller but he dominated, winning 4 aerial duels which shows how much concentration, positioning and a winning mentality will do for you. Be happier seeing him back at left-back though!
James plays the game at his own speed and dictates play. One of the best pure footballers in the world today. If a guy like him cannot fit into a system then maybe Zidane (and certainly Kovac) aren't that smart after all?
Allan is a rock. DoucourÃ©, slightly overshadowed by the other two, adds pace, physicality and running power and now has a chance to show his stuff, assuming Allan misses a few games.
Nkoukou is a gem. Carlo mentioned that his next step was to show he can do it against Premier League players. Well. one game only but he looked the part. Obviously Digne is undisputed #1 but we should be finding ways of getting him game-time. This cup run is ideal for his development.
People bemoaning our injuries and suggesting it's foolish to risk key players in a League Cup game, I disagree. Players can get injured in training. We've won nothing for 25 years. Winning this gets us silverware and a place in the Europa League next season. That should be our minimum objective.
With one or two additions before the window â€“ centre-half and either a striker (if Kean goes) or a wide attacker (Lozano, the lad from Portugal) â€“ then top 4 is a definite target. There's only Liverpool and Man City that are obviously too strong, the other "Big 6" are either in flux or rebuilding. No reason, with a manager like Ancelotti and what is shaping up to be a very well-balanced team, that we cannot pip the others for top 4.
178 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:41:29
Now our players are managed well by someone who a) knows what they're doing, b) can communicate what he want effectively and c) knows what the squad needs and can attract them.
That's why the players look better. That's why, I suspect, some players at other clubs may be talking to their agents about Everton in the next few days.
179 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:48:29
180 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:53:02
181 Posted 01/10/2020 at 09:59:17
Two times last night, he was unaware of where he was when defending and was two seconds behind the play before he realised what was going on; he couldn't do anything about it but stand and watch. One them was when Pickford made a terrific save to stop West Ham getting back in the game.
182 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:05:52
To me, the former indicates a willingness to write off a youngsters career, believing they will never be good enough and refusing to give them the chance to improve. Hence the frustration and arguments from myself as I always believed the potential was there. Although, I never expected more than a 15 goal a year striker â€“ so it looks like he could surpass my expectations.
183 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:08:19
184 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:14:23
Before lockdown I, like you, had serious doubts over Michael Keane, but since lockdown and the start of this season, he looks a lot more assured. Yes, he still lacks pace but I think under Carlo he is reading the game better so has a better starting position and he seems more aware of dangers than he did before.
With Mason injured I did really worry about how we would cope at the back without his pace, but so far we don't seem to be getting caught out as often as we did last season; what a difference having a top coach makes.
Rumours are that we are after the lad from Barca or the lad from Norwich, so when all fit that will be 4 CBs for 2 places. With the likelihood off Kean moving on, we desperately need another striker as, if Calvert-Lewin was to get injured against Brighton and if Richarlison is out for a few weeks, I don't know who we would play up front from our present squad.
185 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:17:20
I've seen him do it four times this season, which is very good, but doesn't stop me seeing the flaws in his game, which I don't think he will ever be able to correct. They are there for all to see and occur every time he plays.
186 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:19:31
187 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:24:16
He's made some very good passes this season, very good passes, but the flaws defending are still there. I hope they are not exposed too much in the future games.
188 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:29:54
He does have flaws â€“ like the two ballooned shots â€“ and his positioning isn't perfect. But I do think that Ancelotti will keep working on them to minimise their effect on his performance, while trying to maximise what he is good at. He has improved under Ancelotti and has always been prepared to work on his game.
As for Keane, he has improved a lot, but got caught out on the corner in the Crystal Palace game and seemed to be in dreamland when Crystal Palace had time to cross unchallenged from the left-wing in the first half. I remember one beautiful long pass to Calvert-Lewin under Silva, but he is now regularly doing it every game.
The corn is high and he is in love.
189 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:30:31
According to Darren Griffiths on Everton radio last night, John Willy Parker is the last Everton player to score hat tricks in 2 consecutive home games before Dominic just did it. So he may well be the first to do it in the top division
JWP did it in 1953-54 season, when they got promoted, which was also my first season going to Goodison. I have no recollection of it, but I may well have been there. My first game was Blackburn in early February. He scored his hat tricks at the end of February and early March.
If they beat Brighton, that will be 7 on the trot since the start of the season, and if Dominic scores again, he'll go ahead of Tommy Lawton in their run in 1938-39 for goals scored, I think.
190 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:37:31
191 Posted 01/10/2020 at 10:42:09
192 Posted 01/10/2020 at 11:00:49
I hope you are right about Carlo improving Michael Keane's defensive play; I would be very happy to see that.
193 Posted 01/10/2020 at 11:01:28
Happy to see Calvert-Lewin shoving my thoughts down my throat â€“ even though I still don't see him as a natural finisher â€“ but, if he keeps rattling them in, who cares?
Hopefully this present Calvert-Lewin incarnation continues to flourish. It really is all very promising.
194 Posted 01/10/2020 at 11:04:00
Now they have clever players who will come for short passes and take on that responsibility. Even when they don't play it, the opposition are so busy chasing them that the centre-halves have all the time in the world to find a different ball. They're full of confidence. Michael Keane might not be the most skillful player in the world but he runs rings around 99% of footballers â€“ if you think he can't play a bit then you're kidding yourself as to what it takes to be a Premier League player.
Now they have midfielders who will sit and shield in front of them. The very first thing that happened after Allan subbed off was Keane got caught challenging for a ball on the halfway line, 15 yards ahead of Mina â€“ and missed it.
We got away with that one but it just highlighted how with one missing cog the rest of the machine struggles.
We're a better team now. Good players now look better than they did.
195 Posted 01/10/2020 at 11:30:26
The scoreline flattered us a bit. We still have holes behind the midfield but nowhere near as bad as last season. Allan has been tremendous for us. All of a sudden, Sigurdsson looks like a player again. Keane isn't being caught out with attackers running at him.
The starting 11 will give most teams a game. The injuries to Allan and Richarlison will seriously ask questions of the squad replacements.
196 Posted 01/10/2020 at 11:48:51
I wouldn't say I am a big fan of Michael Keane's, but I think he has improved enormously in the last few months, no doubt highly influenced by Ancelotti.
197 Posted 01/10/2020 at 12:06:20
Having played center-back (and keeper) in my older age (rec league in the US which may be what others call Sunday league), I can attest that having good midfield cover prevents constant pressure which builds up inside the head and leads to more mistakes. The head starts to spin...
I guess the only way I can explain it is that good cover slows the game down and allows for better decision-making and positioning as pressure situations come up less frequently. The mind is clearer. Without Allan, I am guessing Keane and the others will be under more pressure which could lead to more mistakes.
198 Posted 01/10/2020 at 12:43:22
199 Posted 01/10/2020 at 12:55:24
200 Posted 01/10/2020 at 13:22:36
Allan and Rich simply must be healthy for the derby. The traditional top teams have one thing in abundance that the smaller teams do not have - squad depth. My one worry going into the season was if James was a sicknote. He has an injury history. I didn't think Allan and Rich would go down both in the same game!
Amazing start to the season, but the one thing that could unravel this momentum is injury.
Get healthy Allan, Rich and yes you too JJK! JJK is a capable back up to Seamus, and will play an important role in the squad this season.
201 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:14:28
Both were bullied in their early days on the pitch. It took an old head to nurture Sharp, that being Andy Gray, who taught Sharp how to get tougher and give it back.
With Calvert-Lewin, it was a matter of two things: Duncan Ferguson in training being the first, the second being Carlo telling him to get into the area more, and to try and take less touches, when the chances arrive.
Most will agree a year or so ago, Calvert-Lewin was not getting into the danger area, he often got caught flat-footed, not anticipating a ball coming into the danger area, often he would take far too many touches in the area and fluff his lines, sometimes when a player has been in a better position he has chosen to run with his head down and play a weak shot.
That is the level of play that had some posters saying at the time he is a Championship at best. I never saw many posts saying he would never make it in the future; I saw posters highlighting his flaws.
Since Carlo has come in, he has coached Calvert-Lewin into being a much better player, ironed out his weaknesses, and has got Calvert-Lewin to do the simple things, rather than over-complicate them.
Calvert-Lewin deserves all the credit for the hard work he is putting in, but make no mistake: Ferguson and Carlo deserve a special mention as well.
202 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:18:31
Shameful confession to make but I turned off the game when Allan got injured as I was getting too stressed out worrying if we'd end up with 8 players and no subs left.
203 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:23:23
204 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:40:16
It's all about confidence. This Calvert-Lewin is the same Calvert-Lewin people who had faith saw. We'd seen him a confident young lad score for fun in the youth age groups and he's now doing it in the first team.
Calvert-Lewin was always a good finisher. Not quite a superb finisher as he did miss chances. But his xG showed that he was up there in the top 10 finishers in the league every season after he broke into the side.
The reason he wasn't scoring, and you rightly point this out, was that he wasn't getting into positions. The ball would come at him too quick and he wouldn't have time to react. Now the ball seems to come to him in slow motion and he adjusts his position and his feet and taps it home. For me, it all comes down to confidence and the lad is full of it now.
205 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:41:38
Southgate took him for the last two England games, never used used at all,not even from the bench I wonder why.
206 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:49:06
But I doubt they'd have given him a five year deal if Brands and Ancelotti weren't both sure of his long term future. So, I have to trust them.
207 Posted 01/10/2020 at 14:59:12
208 Posted 01/10/2020 at 15:01:14
Hi Dave  as you know I listen to Radio Merseyside on match days, the commentator and Ronnie Goodlass mentioned the save that Jordan Pickford pulled off, describing it as a pivotal moment in the victory. I have seen it on my sons phone and although the overhead attempt was straight at him it was still a far from easy save to make. If he had allowed that effort to go in he would no doubt have been slaughtered, apart from your mention I can find no trace of praise for his efforts.
Regarding Dominic Calvert-Lewin, I must confess that I had my doubts, but on another thread in the recent past, I did state that playing wide by choice or under orders did him no favours. I recall one game, I can't remember the Everton manager or the opponents, he was operating as a right sided wing back, Carlo Ancelotti appears to have instructed him to spend more time in or around the goal area, we are seeing a different player now.
209 Posted 01/10/2020 at 15:16:13
I beg to differ also that he was a great finisher at the time. Apart from last season, his two highest scoring feats in the seasons before were both 8 league goals â€“ that after playing in almost every single game.
If you honestly believe that is it confidence alone and not what Carlo has coached him to do to improve, then fair play to you.
He deserves all the credit he gets for putting in the effort and working on his weaknesses, well deserved in my opinion. He has taken it to the next level and is turning into the player we were all hoping for.
I will hold my hands up, and I said a few seasons back that he is not an out-and-out striker with striker instincts. What I have seen now is a player that has vastly improved and becoming one of the best strikers around.
I could not be more delighted for the guy and hope it continues for Calvert-Lewin, but I will not change what I said at the time two seasons ago; that was then and this is now... my opinions have changed since back then.
210 Posted 01/10/2020 at 15:27:22
We've become very accustomed to corner-flag chasing forwards at Everton over the years, so Carlo's simple instructions (or magic words) have had the desired effect. It isn't rocket science for a striker to understand that they will score more goals if they stay central, get into goalscoring positions in or around the box. Why he wasn't doing that before can only be because he wasn't being instructed to â€“ or he was ignoring instructions.
211 Posted 01/10/2020 at 15:40:23
I am made up for Calvert-Lewin, he is now getting into the danger area and taking less touches and not over-thinking in too much time.
Could very well be down to bad coaching from previous managers, sometimes playing the guy out wide. What Carlo has done is made it simple for Calvert-Lewin and the player is quite rightly getting the reward and credit he deserves.
212 Posted 01/10/2020 at 16:18:30
213 Posted 01/10/2020 at 16:33:33
214 Posted 01/10/2020 at 17:05:56
I would agree with the second part of your post Christy. I still feel Michael has his flaws and if we ever get to the lofty heights of challenging for the title again, he's not that standard in my opinion. He, and the rest of last season's defence, look a different outfit because they have the protection afforded by a far superior midfield in front of them as you allude to.
But, for where we are now, with said midfield in front, he's good enough. And to my point on Dominic, if he can prove me wrong longer term, I'd be delighted!
215 Posted 01/10/2020 at 17:27:46
The data backed my view up, I wrote articles on here about it. DCL was played by repeated managers because they knew he would score goals, it was just a matter of time. The xG, like it or hate it, is a great indicator for strikers. It tells you that DCL was repeatedly, even when you were slagging him off, was finishing well. It also told you that the number of chances he got was low. He needed to bring this up, and now he has, he's scoring lots of goals.
I also have watched him for the u23s, I saw him for England u21s/u20s/u19s etc. At that level, DCL scored lots of goals. He was a prolific striker.
Ellis Simms is a prolific striker at the same levels. However, Ellis repeatedly scores the same goal. He races away from the defence onto a through pass and slots it past the keeper. He also scores tap ins. I have doubts about Ellis because he cannot play back to goal, he cannot link attack and defence, and he does not work hard enough.
DCL scored different types of goals. He also scored lots of the through ball type goals you often see in u23 games, which tend to be very open, and end to end, with lots of counters. So, DCL used his pace and scored those chances. He was not as good at it as Ellis and did not beat the keeper as often. But he also scored the tap ins, and headers, and he also scored from outside the box. Unlike Ellis, DCL's forward play: back to goal, linking attack and midfield, holding the ball up, etc was all exceptional. Anyone watching DCL at youth level had no doubt he would be a PL level striker. Not necessarily an international or CL level striker, but certainly a PL level striker.
I think you just didn't see enough of him at the younger levels to see how much ahead of his peers he was, and be able to compare it with other exciting talents like Ellis Simms, Fraser Hornby, Connor MacAleny, Courntey Duffus, or Hallam Hope to know just how good Dominic actually was. If you had, you'd have been a lot more patient with him and had belief in his ability.
216 Posted 01/10/2020 at 17:42:25
Last night I said he had proved me wrong. He didn't. He is now realising the levels you predicted.
217 Posted 01/10/2020 at 18:06:38
We all have opinions on players with potential. Some we get right, some we get wrong. Despite the statistic obsessed, data driven era we live in, I still believe football isn't as scientific as some make out. Apart from the odd freak like Rooney, you don't truly know whether a player will live up to early potential or not.
I thought Ross Barkley was going to be something special. He's just gone to Aston Villa on loan. My son and I predicted when he moved to Chelsea that give it 12 - 18 months and he'd be on loan at somewhere like West Ham or Newcastle. Okay I didn't get the club right, but I wasn't far off.
Specific to Dominic, I'm made up he proved me wrong. It's great for the lad's future career and benefits Everton.
218 Posted 01/10/2020 at 18:52:47
1) To be fair to him, what has changed is that he is playing a different role to before when very often he was left up top on his own, chasing lost causes. You can't shine if that is your lot in life. If you have good players around you, and more support, things can be different. And they are different now.
2) That said, one swallow does not make a summer. Longevity is what makes you a PL player. What we have here is a very promising player who is now starting to unlock his potential under a better manager and a more conducive system. If he is still doing what he is doing now, in 3 years time, then we have a real contender. But let us not load too much pressure on him just yet. I don't want unrealistic expectation to suffocate him. He's a work in progress, not the finished article.
219 Posted 01/10/2020 at 19:10:26
220 Posted 01/10/2020 at 19:25:31
221 Posted 01/10/2020 at 19:58:28
I disagreed when you said Calvert Lewin has always been a prolific scorer and always been in the top ten goal scorers each season.
I never claimed to be right two seasons ago, even back then I always said he needs to improve on his positional awareness and his finishing.
Not once have I ever said the guy will never make it, at the time I was mearly pointing out weaknesses that Calvert needs to work on and at the time was not a top striker.
The fact that the player is now taking in what Carlo has been saying, he has taken this onboard and now showing just how good a striker he is and the goals are flowing, he is getting into the danger area and instead of having time to think, he is doing what every natural striker does and uses instinct and reacts much quicker.
Two years ago Calvert Lewins biggest weakness was having too much time to think, when he had too much time, that was when he fluffed his lines.
What you are seeing now is one maybe two touches and he's shooting or reacting and also reacting so much quicker for a possible rebound, or ball put into the penalty area, he is there expecting it.
You cannot say that was Calvert Lewin two seasons ago.
So yes he has become the player we all hoped for, to be honest much better than that.
I would not say anyone was wrong who said simular things two seasons ago about the player at the time.
Cannot speak for other posters, but My points were made about the player back then and not now.
But I respect the belief you shown in the player back then.
No one can dispute the player Calvert Lewin Has turned into and whatever differences of opinions in the past, I am sure we can all agree that Calvert Lewin has upped his game and now one of the best strikers around.
222 Posted 01/10/2020 at 21:01:33
For what it's worth, I hope folks give Moise Keane time to adjust. Although he flashed a lot of talent in Italy and had a good amount of success, the Italian international was not the finished article. It will take him a bit of time to start mining his potential here. He's only 20 years old â€“ very young for a striker.
223 Posted 01/10/2020 at 21:48:48
224 Posted 01/10/2020 at 21:49:25
225 Posted 01/10/2020 at 22:06:20
226 Posted 01/10/2020 at 23:44:48
Totally agree, one regular on here called Tom Davies a "retard" last season. This is someone who contributes about a dozen posts per day and cosies up to the real fans.
Offensive and unacceptable yet betrays a lack of patience with players like Dominic and Mason too.
Not everyone is Rooney!
227 Posted 02/10/2020 at 05:07:51
Couldnt agree more
228 Posted 02/10/2020 at 11:47:18
#222 Michael I agree with you re: patience for developing players. I thought Davies would become an excellent player and am sad to see his progress stalling. As for Kean, he was an exciting prospect when we paid big money to bring him here. Hadn't played enough to be a genuine "wonderkid", such as Pulisic etc but very promising. If he stays I hope he improves but am certain he wants out. Rumours of him moving back to Italy have been ongoing for a while now; if the lad was committed to us he could kill those off straightaway with a simple social media post. That he hasn't speaks volumes. He may well become a very good player but personally I think he is lacking maturity and mental strength. Compare and contrast to DCL at the same age, or even the one-year younger Nkoukou, who, going off a recent interview comes off as a a serious and professional lad. Kean's idol? Balotelli...
229 Posted 02/10/2020 at 11:48:44
Perhaps my definition could have been a bit more specific. Anyone who plays in the PL is de facto a PL player but what I was talking about is someone who is proven over time to have what it takes to be successful. Just as an example, Francis Jeffers or Danny Cadamarteri would be examples of players who had a hot period, but a fairly brief one, and ended up falling down the leagues. Until this season, I think there was a reasonable doubt as to whether Calvert Lewin might be another who could be just short of what is needed at the highest level to have a long and successful career in the PL.
His start this year has undoubtedly tipped the balance the other way. But I think that would have been hard to predict with any real certainty. Few players are obviously set for stardom at a young age. There are only so many Rooneys and Giggs. Development can be a bit of a lottery. And I repeat, 6 games of the current Dom does not totally prove the point. He needs to carry on his present form in future years- albeit no-one is expecting him to keep up his current scoring ratio, that would be absurd.
The happy position now is that we can have legitimate expectations of him of becoming a top Everton player, the England call up is well deserved for his work, and my impression is, he has put in the hard yards. Let's just not suffocate him with too much expectation. As I said, he is still not the finished article.
230 Posted 02/10/2020 at 12:04:26
Unsurprisingly, Dominic's great start to the season has garnered huge attention. Media discussions, features, comparisons, "Is he the best" type articles. I cringe a little, because we all know what happens now when a barren spell calls.
I think the guy is level headed and well supported to deal with it, but the less hyperbole, the better. Easier said than done!
231 Posted 02/10/2020 at 15:22:56
Tall Poppy syndrome says that the same people building him up right now, will be tearing him down if and when his form dips.
232 Posted 02/10/2020 at 15:32:48
233 Posted 03/10/2020 at 04:41:04
234 Posted 03/10/2020 at 07:49:24
Played at every level except seniors for England, and has been a key part of those teams.
Over 100 games for Everton. Still in his early 20s. Been written off as not good enough for the Premier League.
Hang on, am I talking about Tom or Dominic?
Or for that matter, you could probably find a few others in our recent history.
Teams tend to bring through youngsters when they are forced to... because the team is crap. Then when they finally improve the team, the youngsters are the first to be cast off.
Doesn't make sense does it? You don't get to see what the younger players can do in a good side.
I'd love to see Tom given a chance with Allan at some point.
235 Posted 03/10/2020 at 07:59:02
236 Posted 04/10/2020 at 04:13:26
Yes, agree and I still have faith in Tom Davies. Football is all about the team you play in. Now that we have better players, Tom will also get better.
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.