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1 Posted 06/03/2021 at 13:10:44
3 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:21:15
4 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:22:11
5 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:23:59
6 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:42:56
Nice to see you posting here!
Wasn't that Burnley goal hilarious?
7 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:51:12
8 Posted 06/03/2021 at 14:57:54
9 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:00:13
But they decided against a penalty for an obvious handball on an outstretched arm... Proximity?
10 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:04:10
11 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:10:14
12 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:35:53
Man City do the business against the Manc reds.
Brighton pull an upset over Leicester.
We win Monday.
Andy Crooks should lay down a "cheeky" bet on that to happen.
13 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:37:48
14 Posted 06/03/2021 at 15:48:50
15 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:01:20
16 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:09:42
17 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:12:30
18 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:18:28
Sounds daft I know, but I'm sure it's something to do with that. Or maybe it's now deemed sufficient punishment just awarding the penalty without sending the player off? Yet, in the Burnley game, Erik Pieters was shown a straight red card for denying a goal-scoring opportunity, only to have it rescinded after VAR ruled it wasn't a penalty.
Where's Mike Gaynes when you need him??
19 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:39:42
The fact a penalty has been awarded and increased likelihood of a goal, the red card was taken out of the equation as it was viewed as double punishment.
That's how I understand it now.
20 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:48:57
21 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:49:35
22 Posted 06/03/2021 at 16:56:23
Not arguing the rights / wrongs, I just think that was changed a couple of seasons back.
Good to hear Don.
That was dire. Hopefully Aston Villa v Wolves will be more entertaining. Always an interesting one for me as the West Midlands in-laws are split down the middle between the two, the wife being Villa.
23 Posted 06/03/2021 at 17:01:11
Of course, that could change by breakfast tomorrow.
24 Posted 06/03/2021 at 17:19:35
A referee can choose to use the award of a penalty as punishment enough for less serious fouls in the penalty area and therefore avoid using a red card to a player. This is to prevent a team being punished twice for the same offense. However, for dangerous and foul play such as "intentionally or recklessly bringing a man down as the last defender" the award of a straight red and a penalty are often given.
This was given to the Arsenal defender in a game when it was deemed, he brought a player down from behind in the area and never touched the ball.
The only thing I can see in the Sheffield game is the player brought the Southampton player down from behind in the area but touched the ball as well.
25 Posted 06/03/2021 at 17:34:06
Basically, a goal-bound shot from an Arsenal player struck Pieters on the shoulder. Straight away, Marriner gave a penalty and a straight red card to Pieters as he thought it hit his arm. After a VAR review, it was clearly seen that the ball had struck Pieters on the shoulder so the penalty was not given and the red card rescinded. A drop ball was given to Burnley.
26 Posted 06/03/2021 at 17:59:06
For me, I want the offside changed. VAR isn't getting it wrong, the offside rule is wrong.
What happened to the "daylight" rule we had a few years ago that gave clear advantage to the attacker? Don't get me wrong, we'd have fallen foul of that against West Brom and others. but in the broader aspect of the game of football, I'd rather offside was only when there is daylight between the last defender and attacker, not the thread of a shirt, an extended fingernail of the fact someone wears size 10 boots instead of size 8.
27 Posted 06/03/2021 at 18:44:04
28 Posted 06/03/2021 at 18:48:42
29 Posted 06/03/2021 at 18:50:20
30 Posted 06/03/2021 at 18:51:15
Great feint and subsequent delivery from the Wolves player from the corner. Unlucky from Coady, but that miss was more difficult to execute than toe pegging it over the line with a loose stud.
31 Posted 06/03/2021 at 18:59:01
32 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:01:51
33 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:07:41
34 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:12:05
35 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:16:09
36 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:18:10
37 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:21:59
38 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:26:16
39 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:28:20
40 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:28:45
41 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:41:02
42 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:48:44
Keep doing what we're doing, pick up the points and stay in the pack. Europe is very realistic. Champions League there to challenge for.
43 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:51:44
44 Posted 06/03/2021 at 19:59:45
45 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:01:15
46 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:10:49
47 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:11:40
48 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:12:48
49 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:19:23
50 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:21:58
51 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:29:50
52 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:31:48
You never know.
53 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:34:21
I hope we wear the yellow kit! I'm not sure we've ever lost in the Hummel yellow kit!?
54 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:38:12
55 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:40:13
56 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:41:03
So we're going to play Villa twice in a week no doubt, interesting, be like them Christmas-day/Boxing day fixtures from yesteryear we used to hear of.
57 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:42:08
58 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:43:37
59 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:46:37
60 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:49:30
61 Posted 06/03/2021 at 20:50:08
62 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:00:34
Would we take a draw on Monday? I assume we'll just do what we do away from home now: play it canny and see what happens.
Let's just stay calm.
63 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:19:19
64 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:23:00
65 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:27:24
66 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:30:54
67 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:44:52
68 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:46:06
69 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:46:07
70 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:46:17
71 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:46:40
72 Posted 06/03/2021 at 21:59:14
73 Posted 06/03/2021 at 22:00:06
74 Posted 06/03/2021 at 22:10:24
75 Posted 06/03/2021 at 22:30:42
What is the problem that some people have with the concept of â€˜luck'? People are acting as though saying something not under your control going your way is like believing the moon is made of cheese.
It's just a concept, not a presence or a force. A goalie using his athletic ability to pull off a great save is, of course, not luck because he is aiming to do it. If he was away with the fairies and facing the wrong way and a shot just happened to hit the back of his head and ping away to safety there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that is lucky.
If I step outside my front door just as a fifty pound note lands at my feet then I had some good luck irrespective of any knowledge of current meteorological conditions.
It's just a concept people, there is no mysticism about it and there is no shame in acknowledging it happens.
76 Posted 06/03/2021 at 23:07:46
77 Posted 07/03/2021 at 02:33:27
78 Posted 07/03/2021 at 02:49:37
79 Posted 07/03/2021 at 08:24:04
80 Posted 07/03/2021 at 08:43:10
“If it's an imaginary line, it can't be realâ€ used to get him every time, and also give me hours of laughter, with the lunatic trying to explain to me that it wasn't really an imaginary line!
81 Posted 07/03/2021 at 08:57:51
“Me and my mouthâ€ â€“ how many bleedin' times have I warned you about that, it's a very unlucky habit you've got, and you've made me swear on a Sunday morning, just as I'm getting ready to go to mass.
I'll have to review the situation about sharing a pint with you at Goodison, will you never learn!!
82 Posted 07/03/2021 at 12:04:56
83 Posted 07/03/2021 at 12:50:17
84 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:09:13
85 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:12:59
86 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:13:19
I have this image of you as a two-year old on xmas day insisting to your parents that your presents were NOT from Father Xmas.
87 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:14:46
88 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:18:12
89 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:22:49
Poor in quality in the final 3rd from both as you'd expect.
Most entertaining aspect for me so far was the commentator in the first half: "the ball is going to need treatment at half time"!!
90 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:24:34
91 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:30:59
If you'll pardon the expression!
92 Posted 07/03/2021 at 13:31:48
93 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:03:52
94 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:04:06
95 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:21:15
Tbf he is their keeper!
Incidentally what do you think of himðŸ˜‰
96 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:21:28
97 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:24:07
Jeff, Becker looks really great!!!
98 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:27:38
99 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:29:48
100 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:30:53
101 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:32:19
102 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:32:50
103 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:34:54
104 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:35:18
Spit or Carragher if you please, sir! ðŸ˜œ
105 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:35:40
106 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:36:44
107 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:43:08
108 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:44:01
They don't have the pressing intensity of the past few seasons.
Fulham playing well.
109 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:44:37
110 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:45:08
111 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:45:18
112 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:45:24
113 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:45:39
114 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:46:02
115 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:46:30
116 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:47:32
117 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:48:16
118 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:48:31
119 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:51:48
120 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:54:11
121 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:55:03
122 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:55:55
123 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:56:17
Why was there no VAR when TÃªte was booked? Looked like it was a clean tackle in winning the ball.
No team are showing any fear whatsoever when facing Liverpool now. In the past, plenty of teams were beat before they went on the pitch.
Keep it up Fulham, but it won't be a shock if you win, not these days !!
124 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:56:38
125 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:58:10
126 Posted 07/03/2021 at 14:59:03
What happened to Jairzinho, Rivellino and Socrates?
127 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:00:08
128 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:00:56
129 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:02:26
130 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:02:45
Should that be 'dominhos'?
131 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:05:29
132 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:07:13
I also remember our 87-88 defence of the title being tepid at best. Yes, we finished 4th, but at a time when even if we had have not been banned from Europe, it was today's equivalent of finishing 7th??
133 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:08:06
135 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:08:19
136 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:08:20
137 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:09:18
Seriously, Brazilians are inclined to name their children after famous figures from the sporting world, music or cinema. They tend to 'bastardize' the names by mispelling them phonetically to the Portuguese languane, rather than literally.
There is a nice little article on the subject here and how Brazilian child naming has changed down the ages.
And another comic read from the Guardian:
It's a fun topic!
138 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:10:44
139 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:11:54
I will NOT be sharing this conversation with the missus!
140 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:13:55
141 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:14:32
142 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:15:07
143 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:20:31
144 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:23:51
145 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:27:16
146 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:29:33
147 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:29:44
148 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:32:36
149 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:34:22
150 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:34:24
151 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:36:22
152 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:37:34
153 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:37:47
154 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:41:01
Everton replace Everton at Anfield. Robinson for Lookman.
155 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:41:38
156 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:44:19
157 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:44:50
158 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:49:33
159 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:49:36
Great defending ny Andersen.
160 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:49:50
161 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:49:53
The Imperial impotence of the Reds has shone thru here. Klopp has the look of someone who knows they've been found out.
162 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:51:13
163 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:51:19
164 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:51:39
165 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:52:37
166 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:53:27
6 times in a row
You've lost at Anfield
6 times in a row!!
167 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:53:36
168 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:54:16
169 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:54:24
170 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:55:00
171 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:57:31
I said, "They are tears of joy and laughter!"
Can't wait for Klippity Klopp's comments...
172 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:57:37
173 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:57:48
Or should that be moan-ins?
6 home defeats on a row for the RS.
These are wonderful times for the Blues - especially if we can take full advantage.
174 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:57:54
175 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:58:00
176 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:58:32
177 Posted 07/03/2021 at 15:59:52
I really hope Fulham, with two former Blues, escape the drop and someone like Newcastle go down. Newcastle deserve it - poor football, awful owner.
178 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:00:02
Kick them while they are down....Hard.
179 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:00:17
180 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:00:26
Then we are really set up for tomorrow. It shouldn't change the approach and we go to win, but that result and hopefully favourable ones later certainly take the pressure off.
181 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:01:14
182 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:01:15
183 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:02:45
184 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:02:52
Don't blame it on the moonlight,
Don't blame it on the good times,
Blame it on Pickford!!!
185 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:03:44
186 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:03:51
187 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:04:26
That's enough of that. Who gives a toss for them anyway? Onwards and upwards, Blues.
188 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:05:13
189 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:05:27
190 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:06:16
191 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:06:28
192 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:06:46
193 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:07:07
194 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:07:47
195 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:07:54
196 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:08:40
197 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:09:26
198 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:10:34
199 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:11:03
200 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:11:58
201 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:12:52
202 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:13:13
203 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:13:44
204 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:14:08
205 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:14:20
206 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:14:27
Dunno about that, Brent.
On current form the Reds have only taken 3 points from their last six games, equal with Sheff Utd and Leeds. Even the likes of West Brom, Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley and bombing Southampton have taken more points.
Or... were you talking about Fulham..? ;-)
207 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:15:06
208 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:16:11
Good to see you are back to your unfathomable best! Nobody on here believes in luck like you are talking about it! It's just an expression to sum up when, on the balance of probabilities, something less likely has happened. That's all, no mysterious benefactor or malefactor.
Please have the grace to admit that people have the ability to look at a scenario and weigh up the probabilities and decide whether the outcome was largely unexpected (good or bad) without the need to resort to a supercomputer to precisely calculate all the variables.
209 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:16:34
210 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:18:17
211 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:19:26
Either way, I'm pissing myself laughing!!!
212 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:20:16
Klopp in April 2015 Thomas after a season that saw Dortmund near the bottom of the Bundesliga prior to the Christmas break. In the "Ruckrunde", they clawed themselves back up to 7th.
Klopp joined Liverpool in 2015.
The signs are certainly there. Left Mainz after getting relegated and failing to bring them back up despite earlier relative success.
A good time manager in my opinion. When things go wrong, not one to hang around.
213 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:20:53
214 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:21:07
215 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:22:59
I really hope Elaine from Peterborough phones in. That would be the icing on the cake. And it's all our fault â€“ which is the cherry on top. Can't wait for 606!!!
And just hope we get something tomorrow night.
216 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:23:56
217 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:24:50
218 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:25:31
219 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:29:54
Every time someone writes 'lucky', simply substitute the word â€˜unlikely'. Or are you then going to climb on your trusty Falabella to rail against those who believe something can be likely or unlikely?
220 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:30:48
221 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:31:53
222 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:32:34
Thank you, Si!
223 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:33:15
224 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:33:15
Let's hope that Everton turn up, with the right attitude and do a job on Chelsea.
225 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:33:40
226 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:36:10
227 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:36:45
228 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:38:24
229 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:41:17
230 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:46:10
231 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:49:23
232 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:51:41
233 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:57:37
234 Posted 07/03/2021 at 16:58:06
235 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:00:02
236 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:03:46
Smug and complacent would do me. Plus I think City are out of reach but United could still be overhauled if we really get our act together.
237 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:05:28
What you're trying to say now is that luck is the probability of the outcome of the event (high or low) but that's not what luck is. Luck is something that supposedly influences the outcome and can be enhanced by a rabbit's foot, 4 leaf clover or putting socks on before shorts.
The odds against Liverpool losing 6 home games on the trot are massive and yet no way bad luck. It was all down to needles into my Klipperty doll and incantations over my anti-Liverpool horseshoe.
238 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:06:06
239 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:07:00
My RS Mate just texted saying Klopp needs to go, LMAO!
240 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:08:48
Brent, I don't believe Smiley will be sacked, but he might just take a hike on his own.
241 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:09:36
The owners don't seem to be to keen to spend big on the team and no Champions League football may mean selling to balance the books.
242 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:10:16
243 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:11:01
244 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:11:13
A Manchester top 2 still leaves 3rd & 4th open to us. As you say, debatable point... but just my take on it.
245 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:13:06
246 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:13:12
247 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:13:27
Remember when the council gave their backing to Bramley-Moore Dock and they were crowing that we couldn't even beat Fulham at home?
248 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:17:04
249 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:17:42
Mainz; takes a low level club to the Bundesliga, enjoys relative success, gets relegated and fails to bring them up. Under no pressure but walks when not happy.
Dortmund; takes big German giant and challenges Bayern's monopoly for several seasons, enjoying great success. Seems to lose interest in last season which rubs off on team. Finishes 7th and walks.
History repeating itself? He's good when things are going well or he's interested. I suspect he's achieved what he wanted and has his eye elsewhere. There have been rumours of the Germany job.
Who would they replace him with? The answer is obvious. Stevie-Gee Lar has just passed his apprenticeship and won his first title. The fact it was the Highland League won't get in the way of emotion and sentiment with that lot. Dalglish (2nd and 3rd comings) all over again.
250 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:23:17
Please let that happen.
251 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:26:12
252 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:26:42
253 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:30:33
What Klopp might say in his desperate attempt to talk down his teams spectacular slump in form is immaterial to how I use the words â€˜lucky' or â€˜unlucky'. You can't put a blanket ban on people summing up a very time-limited set of circumstances on the balance of probabilities with one word if they wish to just because other people try to apply the same word to much more complex circumstances over greater periods of time.
254 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:31:25
How the RS fans go now will define them forever and they are going crumbling. I worked on a job in Gloucester last year with another engineer who was an exiled kopite who still went up for the game and who was what I remembered the Liverpool fans being when they came up, mainly good guys.
He hated most Liverpool fans and contemptuously dismissed them as daytrippers. I like Klopp btw, he is a character and an eccentric.
255 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:37:16
256 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:42:04
257 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:42:50
Can only take care of our own results I guess.
258 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:43:08
259 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:50:27
260 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:51:00
261 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:51:08
What do you mean â€˜now'? When did I ever say anything different? That's been the whole point, that has so far eluded you, from the start of this on the other thread.
You can try to be the â€˜word police' if you want, Martin, and tell people they can only use a word according to your single definition or you can accept and recognise that there are in fact multiple definitions of lucky - 1: having good luck. 2: happening by chance: fortuitous. 3: producing or resulting in good by chance: favorable. 4: seeming to bring good luck a lucky rabbit's foot. Can you tell me you have a problem with definition 2 or 3, or that you don't understand the meaning of the word â€˜seeming' in definition 4?
262 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:55:36
Only on ToffeeWeb.ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£
263 Posted 07/03/2021 at 17:59:35
264 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:01:03
265 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:03:35
266 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:05:05
Who knows mate, who knows?
267 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:07:07
268 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:12:07
269 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:12:53
I'd say Man Utd were â€˜lucky' that last opportunity wasn't converted but it was Sterling who missed the sitter!
270 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:16:23
Claustrophobia? You are going to suffer from fistophobia!
271 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:18:32
That's me being pedantic, but having far too much time on my hands, just as those lucky enough to be involved in the "luck" argument must have, I'm just counting my lucky stars I'm not involved. I think.
One last point. If someone is trying to foist something on others in, shall we say, an unreasonable manner, what ever happened to being able to tell 'em to fuck right off, purely from a scientific point of view of course.
272 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:19:59
The Premier League has produced some shocks this season though. Maybe we can provide another tomorrow night. I still think we are in a battle with West Ham, Spurs, Villa, Liverpool & Arsenal for a Europa League spot.
273 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:21:32
274 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:23:48
275 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:24:03
And we've lost the source of some wonderfully funny moments too!
276 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:24:32
As for it being a good use of time? It's definitely not but I got involved early on when Rob Halligan objected to the use of the word for the result of the West Brom game. I countered that we could be considered â€˜lucky' that Diagne failed to stay onside when our defence inexplicably dog-legged itself. I found out 24 hours later that the â€˜debate' really spiralled after that.
Having people unfavourably and inaccurately define what I've written (Martin wasn't the only one but he has persisted) is a bit of a trigger I'm afraid.
277 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:26:28
278 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:28:23
I can literally mouth the words all the way through I've seen it so many times. Martin does have a touch of Jonathan Mardukas about him.
279 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:29:33
280 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:34:49
281 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:44:54
Could save a lot of global computing power but wouldn't the posts get a bit â€˜same-y'?
282 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:46:35
Wouldn't be surprised if Klopp did "walk" with millions quietly shoved into his bank account as window dressing to disguise getting his cards.
With the path cleared the return of the prodigal son would be so anticipated, Moshiri's Liver Building would need draping in fire retardant material as the heathen lit their incendiary devices.
283 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:47:14
284 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:52:05
What an amazingly good song and CD. I won the war after losing all the battles. If I could just say that, in the end, I agree with you all about Klopp, I love him and he is far too good for that cesspit of a club and fans.
I'm so happy with Carlo though and the way things are going, it's just so Everton. To see it come to fruition will be a lifetime gift for me as I enter my 70s. Me and my brother and all of our kids are exiled Evertonians in Derby, Leeds, Horsham and Brighton. All part of the Holy Toffee Ummah.
285 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:57:35
286 Posted 07/03/2021 at 18:58:58
287 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:02:04
288 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:05:58
289 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:14:09
290 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:14:24
The reason why we would not want to equate probability and luck is the difference between risk and uncertainty. You can estimate risk whereas uncertainty cannot be modeled or else you'd take the bits that could be and load them into your estimate. Luck is like uncertainty.
291 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:17:52
Man Utd and Leicester City on 54 & 53 points respectively with 28 played. We win tomorrow, we're on 49 with a game in hand (Villa). Win that, in theory (depends on timing of fixture obviously), we are on 52, same games played.
All to play for. Believe.
292 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:17:54
293 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:23:27
'United have shown us the template to keep City out, and their defense is no more talented than ours. This is a plan we can execute if properly prepared.'
I was thinking the self same thing as the game panned out. United were excellent. The two fullbacks always tight to and on the heels of Sterling and Mahrez.
Defenders and midfielders with the courage and ability to carry the ball forward. Fast and skilful forwards running at and beyond the City defence.
We have players who can do likewise.
It also helped that de Bruyne was as poor as I've ever seen him.
294 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:32:28
Or chance, which I suppose is the equivalent of uncertainty.
Just simply replace the word luck with chance and we're sorted!
295 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:34:15
I don't see why in normal discourse you can't use a colloquialism like â€˜lucky' to sum up your take on the â€˜probabilities' of a given situation.
296 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:36:13
297 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:37:15
That actually made me laugh out loud. ðŸ‘
298 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:41:30
299 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:41:45
Can't someone have a word?
300 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:49:16
I've just listened to that Richard Cory, Mike. Good song, but a very sad ending, making me realise how much we should all try and enjoy our lives. Something Everton can hopefully help us with tomorrow night!
301 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:49:58
You're right, but I was actually speaking more of the plan (and flawless execution of it) involving the centre-backs and midfielders. Maguire and Lindelof were lying unusually deep so as not to allow City to get around behind them, but then stepped up aggressively to cut off the passing lanes whenever City had the ball around the top of the box. McTominay, Fred and Bruno would squeeze at the same time. So every time Sterling or Gundogan would cut to the middle, they'd be surrounded.
It could be a stretch to count on Holgate to do the same job on Sterling that Wan-Bissaka did, but we have the backline quickness overall to execute the same plan.
I would contest that we have attackers who can do what Daniel James and Rashford were able to do, to run at the City defenders with the ball and make them backpedal. Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison have pace but lack those skills -- neither beats defenders off the dribble -- and our James obviously lacks the pace. I would say our counters would originate off passes, not carrying the ball forward (which when we do it produces giveaways), and we won't generate as many chances as United. The midfield quality just isn't there.
302 Posted 07/03/2021 at 19:54:22
So where does that leave actual analysis of the performance? From the way the game played out, I'd say the result shouldn't be judged on the pre-game assessment of â€˜unlikely'.
I've seen plenty of games where the result actually contradicted the balance of play, and therefore (I would say) the likelihood.
303 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:01:28
304 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:08:03
305 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:21:05
306 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:23:08
307 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:24:55
308 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:25:08
Bollocks - Kane as I speak. What was I saying about bearers of bad news.
309 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:26:55
310 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:40:32
311 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:53:04
312 Posted 07/03/2021 at 20:56:21
313 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:00:13
I was going to refrain, but here's my take for what it's worth!
Luck: something you can't predict. It happens and whilst sometimes you can make luck happen, but you can never guarantee or rely on it. It comes down to good fortune, the coin landing your side, or the planets aligning in your favour. If you get lucky you can gloat and claim you made your own luck. If you are unlucky, you bemoan the gods and kopite sympathising referees conspiring against you.
Probability: More predictable and likely to happen than luck because there is a bit more science behind it. Still no guarantees, but the likely outcome is a more certain punt if you fancy a trip to the bookies, or these days, login to your PaddyPower App.
Uncertainty: A bit like luck but on the negative side. Similarly we have no control over uncertainty because it is, well, uncertain. We don't truly know the outcome no matter how positive or negative we are on the subject, so it creates anxiety and we hope we can just get lucky.
Risk: Everything is a gamble. There is inherent risk in everything we do. We accept risk, tolerate it or mitigate it but can never eradicate it. We have more control over the level of risk than we do over the amount of luck we receive (or don't), than probability (no guarantee) or uncertainty (by its nature unpredictable).
One's appetite for risk depends on how lucky we feel, how we weigh up probability (or lack of) and uncertainty. The equation and estimate of the collective will determine whether we are adventurous or cautious.
Either way, sometimes you are lucky, others unlucky!!!
Caveat; those are the ramblings of Danny. No research or "Googling" done.
Right, brain hurts so back to the football. Tottenham game not gone our way so I guess we need to beat them 5-4 again!
314 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:03:13
315 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:07:52
To my earlier point, it is possible that we can gatecrash what looks like 2nd and 3rd (Man Utd, Leicester City), but that depends on tomorrow and winning the game in hand against Aston Villa.
But, it looks increasingly like we're in the group that will battle it out for the positions between 4th and 8th. Great position to be in as much of our destiny is in our own hands.
316 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:09:49
317 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:17:07
318 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:17:30
I've been texted that DoucourÃ© has broken a bone in his foot.
Did you say earlier in the week you had heard that?
319 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:18:26
I'm guessing if they flag early, get it wrong and deny a definite goal scoring opportunity... there's no way to rectify it. If they let it play out... it's sorry but.
320 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:19:44
321 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:22:44
322 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:23:46
Sure Tony posted he had heard he was injured. Text I got said he did it in training.
Hopefully it's just a rumour.
323 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:39:26
324 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:40:54
325 Posted 07/03/2021 at 21:42:03
They can't/don't allow discretion like that. Okay at 2 or 3 yards but when it gets down to inches?
326 Posted 07/03/2021 at 22:26:37
Watching the film of Rangers winning their previous title 10 years ago (2010-11) and there was captain Davie Weir and manager Walter Smith. Memories.
327 Posted 07/03/2021 at 23:43:11
Anyone remember the tragic 2016 air crash of the Brazilian football team, Chapecoense, as they were approaching their desination in Colombia to play the Copa Sudamericana Final (the Europa League equivalent)?
There were only 6 survivors. 3 Players, a journalist, a flight attendant and an aircraft maintenance techician. The technician, a Bolivian by the name of Erwin Tumiri, was this week travelling to work in his home country by bus when it went off the road and plunged 150 metres into a gorge.
21 people died. 30 injured, some seriously. Erwin walked away with an injured knee.
Dunno where this one sits in the spectrum on the discussion on luck, the law of probability, risk calculation, Newtonian physics, deterministic chaos, non-linear events, faith and the existence of God...
If it were me, I fancy I'd be shaking my fist at the big fellah in the sky, telling him to pick on some other poor fooker next time!
328 Posted 08/03/2021 at 00:56:07
Over a large scale, say in a city of 1 million, Teela Brown can always find her car keys. One on One, you and her walking down the street, the falling piano... or whatever, will â€“ always, without fail, land on you.
We already know that the rs got (this is now â€“ had) all the luck and we got none. Our luck, up to now is improving... theirs is collapsing.
Coincidence, swings and roundabouts, their 50-year deal (as shown by their FA Cup semi-final win and our away goals loss in Greece) with the devil has not been rolled over?
I can see them putting a lot of pressure on our 14th place 'Worst Post Championship League Placing' position.
Clarke's 3rd Law states; “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.â€ Is luck just a further corollary of this?
How long it all lasts is anybody's guess, but I'm enjoying it now.
329 Posted 08/03/2021 at 11:17:25
330 Posted 08/03/2021 at 11:55:04
When I think, if James isn't fit, our only options out wide are Iwobi or Bernard and neither has much impact on games. Yesterday, Lookman's pace caused Liverpool all sorts of problems, still doesn't score as yet the goals he should but I think, once he adds goals to his game, he will be exactly what we need out wide.
Yes, I know people will say Silva gave him opportunities, and yes, at times his body language wasn't great, but I still think we will regret letting him leave.
331 Posted 08/03/2021 at 12:16:58
Koeman picked him for his scoring debut v Man City and gave him a run in the side, as young as he was. He wasn't up to it.
Lookman had less than a year under Koeman before the Dutchman was sacked. He wasn't trusted or selected by the likes of Unsworth and Allardyce (who let him out on loan within weeks of joining the club).
Both Brands and Silva talked Lookman up as 'the future' of Everton. When he was selected he flickered rather than shone. He evidently didn't like the grubby side of the game, but produced very little to benefit the team, so wasn't trusted with a regular starting berth.
Transferred back to his loan team mirrored his time at Everton. He barely featured. Yes, he is playing well at Fulham now. Maybe the penny has dropped.
But IMO his 'failure' at Everton had much more to do with the player himself than solely Koeman as you claim.
332 Posted 08/03/2021 at 12:54:52
333 Posted 08/03/2021 at 12:59:41
334 Posted 08/03/2021 at 13:58:33
I thought, given the 'conversation' related to luck across a couple of threads in recent days, Erwin Tumiri's story can be variously interpreted depending on individual perspective.
The man himself, having survived two extreme near-death experiences, expresses how he 'feels blessed by God'. My tongue in cheek final paragraph demonstrates a different perspective: 'Oi, Big Yin! I get it! Now go and pick on someone else!'
335 Posted 08/03/2021 at 15:15:40
Nothing goes right for them sadly.
I also know some really lucky people, everything they touch works out right.
Not sure what science or the theory of this or that contributes to that.
336 Posted 08/03/2021 at 16:00:07
337 Posted 08/03/2021 at 18:25:04
338 Posted 11/03/2021 at 09:30:11
It's repugnant, but at the same time impressive, the amount of coverage they are given. Their former players seem to be guaranteed media positions once they retire, and the amount of journos they have in their back pocket is scary.
339 Posted 11/03/2021 at 09:55:08
Even as we write there are a team of engineers examining the structure of their new stand and brown envelopes are being exchanged to say the ground is unfit and therefore all their home games need to be played elsewhere. Seems the only way to stop their slide down the division.
340 Posted 11/03/2021 at 09:56:31
Harry went on to say how he would miss Bill as they used to talk when watching games from the stands, I think both had finished with the game.
341 Posted 11/03/2021 at 10:10:48
I see your Erwin Tumiri and I raise you Tsutomu Yamaguchi.
Tsutomu was finishing a 3 month business trip in Hiroshima on August 6th 1945. He watched as a US plane dropped two small parachutes. Then Little Boy exploded in the air and killed 140,000.
The next day he caught his train home. After a day to recover he went into work at Mitsubishi in Nagasaki. He was just getting a telling off from his boss for being crazy and that one bomb could not destroy a whole city when Fat Man exploded and killed 74,000.
Despite radiation burns from Hiroshima, Tsutomo lived to a few months short of his 94th birthday. He did die from stomach cancer - probably all that raw meat (check out the heros of Telemark death rate from eating raw meat).
342 Posted 11/03/2021 at 10:28:54
The priest who founded the monastery was later to become a Saint, Maximilian Maria Kolbe, who died in Auschwitz in 1941, after pleading with the German in charge there to let him swap with another Polish prisoner and face the firing squad instead, this happened and the prisoner who walked away from the firing squad lived to be ninety two.
That story is just a little interlude in this thread, hope nobody minds.
343 Posted 11/03/2021 at 10:39:37
Q: What's the difference between Liverpool FC at Anfield in 2021 and a triangle?
A: The triangle has three points.
344 Posted 11/03/2021 at 10:47:02
345 Posted 11/03/2021 at 11:53:33
Haven't they also scored more home goals in Budapest??!!
346 Posted 11/03/2021 at 12:47:29
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