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1 Posted 26/09/2020 at 13:10:37
2 Posted 26/09/2020 at 17:59:48
3 Posted 26/09/2020 at 18:00:21
4 Posted 26/09/2020 at 18:05:04
"Chip shop cod." I like it. Too bad I can't use it here. Nobody knows what a chip shop is.
5 Posted 26/09/2020 at 19:41:21
6 Posted 26/09/2020 at 19:47:55
7 Posted 26/09/2020 at 19:59:20
8 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:07:20
9 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:30:04
10 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:39:01
I'm loving this whole new EFC look though.
11 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:53:23
12 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:54:03
13 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:54:52
14 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:56:01
15 Posted 27/09/2020 at 15:58:07
16 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:00:12
They have got to change this ridiculous rule. Hand-to-ball should be restored as the standard.
17 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:01:30
Any handball outside the silhouette, with intent removed, will be penalized.
Ironically, Calvert-Lewin stayed inside the silhouette but imo clearly used his arm to help his body trap the ball in yesterday's game.
18 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:02:51
It's gonna get the game done away with, but some people are actually calling it progress? Maybe we are getting the game we want, although it's possible decisions like this, might actually turn plenty of people away from the beautiful game.
19 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:03:16
Every close game is now being decided by it.
Players like Benteke, Carroll, even Crouch and Ferguson would be assets under this system. Lump it long and hope it hits an arm.
What a cock up!
20 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:03:46
I doubt they'll go back to the old way mid-season though because teams who've suffered from this will say it's unfair.
21 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:03:50
22 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:05:05
The rule is applied differently across the pitch too which is madness.
But it does deprive Spurs, I'm all about that!
23 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:06:25
24 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:06:32
25 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:06:35
26 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:09:09
27 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:09:50
Media are apoplectic and I am waiting to hear Mourino's comments...
28 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:10:24
29 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:10:45
30 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:10:50
I'm just explaining the technical decision-making â€“ not defending calls which detract from the game.
31 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:11:43
32 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:15:06
Yes, absolutely. Simplest is to say if in the ref's opinion it's a deliberate handball within the penalty area, then it's a pen.
33 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:17:45
If it works for Rugby, why can't it work for football? At least with video it is there for all to see and there should be no debate.
Goes back to my point. Regardless, competent officials are key.
34 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:18:37
I used to play like that in winter so I don't see why the pros can't.
35 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:20:24
The rule is absolutely ridiculous. Dier was jumping in the air and the ball didn't even directly hit him, it deflected off a New Caslte player. The rule has to be changed post-haste.
Now that shouldn't stop anyone from detesting Jose Mouhrino. He stormed off the pitch like a 3 year old child. He is an ass of a human being. Arrogant, spoiled, and condescending. Couple that with Levy owning Spurs, that Club has become wholly unlikeable and I can't see how anyone can root for them.
Now I'm off to Mass to pray God grants me humility and I become less judgmental.
36 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:20:48
37 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:22:01
Ahhh go 'ead Tone, give us a laugh!
38 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:22:40
39 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:23:47
I could see the argument yesterday because if it never hit Ward's arm, Richarlison would have been in on goal. (Still not a pen for me though.)
But that one today shows it's now gone beyond a joke. Then again, I was called a biased bastard when I didn't agree with a similar thing in the Champions League Final Liverpool won.
Where do they draw the line, before loads of people start drawing the curtains?
40 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:25:01
In my view, it's all very unlikely to put anyone seriously off the game (including Hodgson, who's basically making a fuss about a decision that went against him, despite reservations he's expressed previously).
There are bigger fish to fry, like general cheating and diving, in relation to which the handball issues are a mere detail. It's those bigger fish that can put people off the game, regardless of what technology is used to assist decisions.
The media are making a meal of it partly because we're not Man Utd or Liverpool, but mainly because we're Everton. They didn't make a meal of all the dodgy decisions that went against us last season.
41 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:25:06
42 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:26:39
43 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:26:51
44 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:26:52
45 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:26:53
46 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:28:16
German fans do hate Hoffenheim's owner Hopp because he likes to spend huge money on the club.
Hoffenheim 4-1 final, should have been 8-1 but Hoff missed 4-5 wide open chances. Amazing to see the world's best club so comprehensively destroyed.
47 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:29:34
So keep your mouth shut and cheat, man, until every player has to swear on the Bible before they enter the playing field under oath!
48 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:29:52
I agree with Lineker's comment on MotD, that refs should only see pitch side replays at normal speed and not slow motion.
The handball rule should be so simple: if hitting the hand or arm changes the flight of the ball, regardless as to the position of the hand or arm or how close it is, then it is a free-kick, in the box a penalty, if it is deemed as deliberate then a red card in addition!
49 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:32:53
But, there is a reason â€“ for years defenders would 'make themselves big' and the 'not intentional' rule would be applied. 'Intentional' is impossible to objectively decide, and invariably, when Carragher and Co would 'make themselves big' using their arms, it was not intentional.
So there is a valid justification for taking away the 'intentional' part. Now it comes down to the interpretation of 'unnatural' position. And it has led to some bizarre penalties in recent games.
Maybe a solution would be in-direct free-kicks rather than penalties for such handballs.
51 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:34:03
On the other hand (pun intended), the bizarre handball rule is actually determining the outcome of a remarkable number of games so far this season.The law, and how refs must enforce it, could actually end up affecting the league table. And it's an easily rectifiable piece of idiocy.
52 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:35:09
53 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:36:37
As an aside, what a goal just now from Mahrez!
54 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:40:36
A 30-minute sin-bin for diving in the box, and then an automatic two-match ban for the dirty cheats, would be my first decision.
I've got a few more to keep the game flowing because football is so much more enjoyable to watch when the game flows!
55 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:41:59
If you play for Liverpool, it's more likely to be ball-to-hand, but if you play for Everton it's more likely to be deliberate handball. If that kind of bias can be reduced, all the better. Only time will tell.
56 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:43:23
Rob #44, Clive Thomas has been dead for about 43 years. Heart still beating but zero brain activity detected.
57 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:47:25
Fran, nice post. I cited the action for handball and fouls inside the penalty area need clarification. For example: â€˜Any action which results in a foul which is denial of a probable goal and or deprives the attacker of a goalscoring opportunity should result in a direct free-kick from the 18-yard line'. It reflects a foul has taken place but crucially also says the foul was not critical.
I've always asked why a foul committed in non-sensitive parts of the area get you a free shot with a near certainty of a goal.
As a working official, I've whinged since the inception of VAR, to which Mike Gaynes can attest to, what should be included and what shouldn't. Moreover, the laws are outdated and they needed adapting before being paired with technology.
58 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:50:52
59 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:51:27
Having three lads sat out whilst 8 of you have to defend concentrates your mind, because it directly affects the relationship with your teammates. It improves discipline, because things like diving, dissent towards officials, kicking the ball away, and time-wasting etc. are an absolute stain on the game.
60 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:53:15
61 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:55:01
62 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:56:47
63 Posted 27/09/2020 at 16:57:34
64 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:01:10
I've always appreciated the fella who could wrap a scathing piece of dissent into a lovely, pithy one-liner.
65 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:21:50
Not like that Vardy would he have gone down if he was just outside the penalty area?
66 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:24:47
67 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:25:57
68 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:36:58
On another thread he admitted it was his tipple of choice and that he had 'feelings'.
Reads like a non sequitur to me, that... ;-)
69 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:38:29
70 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:40:12
71 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:44:50
72 Posted 27/09/2020 at 17:45:57
73 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:01:17
74 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:05:14
75 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:06:11
This is already an extraordinary season.
76 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:09:15
But Leicester have executed perfectly.
77 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:13:51
78 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:15:04
79 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:15:21
80 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:15:52
81 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:17:40
82 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:18:07
83 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:19:12
84 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:19:28
85 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:21:23
I think you'll find it was Tony A that brought up the Desperado's, as well you know. ðŸ˜¡
86 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:21:24
87 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:21:31
Can the same group of players handle that level of intensity for more than 3 years?
88 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:22:38
89 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:25:43
I thought the same until I saw em, especially Madison's in slo-mo.
When you're leaned on or pushed from behind, you don't draw up your legs, they're outstretched normally because the upper body (being pushed) carries the momentum forward.
Lifting and drawing up the legs is a conscious decision, again IMO, to result in a more "obvious" tumble. Very subtle but it can be spotted in slo-mo.
90 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:26:20
91 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:28:31
92 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:30:45
I reckon it will settle down soon. Only thing that's really changed seems to be that there's no home advantage whatsoever.
93 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:33:54
Man City relying too much on De Bruyne these days. I always thought they were a better side when David Silva played and Aguero but alas they got old as we all do.
94 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:35:05
For the US contingent, NBCSN beginning a conversation about the handball rule.
95 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:36:46
I'll stick to my tried and trusted attitude of let's judge everything at Christmas when everyone's played each other at least once.
96 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:53:58
Watch Oliver over the next few weeks, and if he stays consistent and keeps giving penalties for every similar incident that cropped up today, I will pay your air-fare, the next time you decide to come over here again Mike.
The right to go down is horrible, especially because it's getting openly encouraged by ex-players in the studio, who definitely should know better, or maybe I'm just getting to old.
I thought Liverpool got 3 pens at Old Trafford the minute Ferguson left, off there old friend Clattenberg Mike, maybe they missed one then?
97 Posted 27/09/2020 at 18:57:34
98 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:06:30
I looked it up... Clatterpuss gave the RS two pens that day at Old Trafford.
I wouldn't accept your kind airfare offer, but I'm happy to wager a Guinness on it!
100 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:12:42
101 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:14:24
102 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:16:02
Check again, they scored two and missed one, and if the sword is mightier than the pen (debatable), then the referee is definitely mightier than the centre-forward!
I'm shaking my head, I love the game of football, but I prefer to see skill with ability, rather than skill in deception, so I'm not talking about controversy no more.
103 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:20:21
104 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:23:01
Jarrod Bowen. A player I really wanted us to bid for last year.
105 Posted 27/09/2020 at 19:33:35
106 Posted 27/09/2020 at 20:38:37
107 Posted 27/09/2020 at 20:59:34
This is were the consequences should change. Today all three Leicester penalties were fouls, however not one was on the act of scoring or about to shoot. As you describe they decide to fall because it earns them a free shot at goal. How is that any sort of equivalency? If the penalty was a less favorable shot from 18yards then I bet they'd choose to stay up and shoot.
You aren't going to change the behavior when the prize for doing it is so big, lessen the prize the behavior will change.
108 Posted 27/09/2020 at 21:11:16
However, there is a growing number of players, well most of them actually who will go down at the slightest touch and this is having a corrosive effect on the game itself. Add the new rules for handball and there are going to be penalties galore this season.
Perhaps handball in its current guise should result in two penalty shots and only if both attempts were converted would a goal be given. I suspect that the betting companies are huge motivators in the way the game is officiated nowadays, every delay or controversial shout will attract many gamblers to try their luck and judgement resulting in increased profits for the bookmakers?
109 Posted 27/09/2020 at 21:20:25
110 Posted 27/09/2020 at 22:05:33
111 Posted 28/09/2020 at 09:15:02
112 Posted 28/09/2020 at 09:39:48
And Leicester, the long ball kick and rush master. Dreadful outfit.
113 Posted 28/09/2020 at 09:48:08
The only pleasant thought I have about Leicester is beating them 7-1 in 1968.
114 Posted 28/09/2020 at 12:40:41
115 Posted 28/09/2020 at 17:08:27
116 Posted 28/09/2020 at 17:50:36
117 Posted 28/09/2020 at 20:05:44
118 Posted 28/09/2020 at 20:33:33
119 Posted 28/09/2020 at 20:40:43
120 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:01:17
I hate to say it but Liverpool must be the fittest team in the league. I can't see Arsenal getting anything from this game unless they change their tactics and shape up. They don't look like they are expecting anything from this game either.
121 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:33:41
He is not, strictly speaking, fouled, nor does he dive but he gets penalties. I don't care for him much but think he is one of the most underrated players of the Premier League era. There is something so utterly, fucking hateful about him that can only be admired.
122 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:40:54
Andy that is poetic mate.
123 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:45:37
Was it Bellamy who Darren Huckerby whose dive sent Materazzi into meltdown?
124 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:56:47
Look how City collapsed at Leicester, this Liverpool would never do that.
Can't wait for the Derby, but it will take some performance.
Of course, if Lacazette didn't fluff his lines, maybe a different result would have happened. But it will take something to beat them.
125 Posted 28/09/2020 at 21:59:25
126 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:00:14
127 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:02:13
128 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:03:06
129 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:04:37
130 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:05:03
Sit back and hope to catch them on the break or try to take the game to them like Leeds did?
Carlo's Napoli nullified their threat and were fairly comfortable in both games so he knows how to play against them but do we have the personnel?
131 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:07:20
I see loads of little chinks in their system, but they do bully teams, and listening to their manager speak now, it's obvious bully's hate being put on the back foot.
132 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:08:20
133 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:18:32
134 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:19:48
135 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:23:35
136 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:25:26
The next game is always the most important game, especially if it can get us into the last eight of a cup competition, so let's see what kind of team Ancelotti picks on Wednesday night because it won't be an easy game.
137 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:25:51
And the media love them / him.
But they are not invincible. They are get-attable (not a word I know) if you approach with the right mentality.
But for too long, teams, no better exemplified by our own, have been beaten before they turn up.
Someone above mentioned a "bullying" mentality â€“ and that's it. Stand up to them and they'll collapse, or you'll lose but with some pride. When did we last lose with pride to that lot?
138 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:37:47
I thought Arsenal were a shambles today and Leeds played much better than them against the devil's spawn.
139 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:40:23
I am upset WHU beat Wolves because had they lost I suspect Moyes would have played a B team and focused on the relegation battle. He's actually got WHU playing pretty well. Soucek much like Cahill at Everton and lots of industrious players with a little bit of flair
140 Posted 28/09/2020 at 22:42:12
141 Posted 28/09/2020 at 23:38:17
The RS pressed high and Arsenal would try and hit them on the break, when they did the RS were vulnerable and a couple of one on ones should have given at least a share of the points. This is were Everton can get at them. Defensively the RS are weak in midfield, they move it around quickly because the opposition give them space to do so (Leeds didn't but weren't good enough to finish them) The through ball kills them. James R please note.
The Blues will need to close them down in the middle of the park and press high with their own full-backs to keep the crosses from coming in. Our weakness is if they get through the centre of the park they have the two centre backs to face (even I can tip-toe around) We cannot let them attack them. (I wish we could play a sweeper)
They are vulnerable at the back, not at good as us in midfield but get too much respect up front. To me, Mane is their danger man, is fast and can turn on a sixpence to hurt you. But, apart from that, it's all about stopping building up a pressing rhythm, that's the battle of midfield. We can do this.
142 Posted 29/09/2020 at 00:21:38
143 Posted 29/09/2020 at 01:03:37
144 Posted 29/09/2020 at 02:28:02
145 Posted 29/09/2020 at 09:39:05
Arguably, our midfield is one of the best around at the moment, perhaps the best, and certainly the most entertaining and reminiscent (to me) of the late-60s Everton. We could take Liverpool apart in midfield, with some style.
As usual, the media, especially the BBC are fawning over them and glossing over any potential weaknesses.
Their overall culture never seems to change. Last night, there were messages from reds telling us how great they are and how everyone else is crap. Even when they won the league I had messages from some of them telling me Everton were shite. I had to tell them to focus on themselves rather than Everton, because it'd taken them an awfully long time to finally win the PL and they should savour it while they can. They're like dysfunctional spoilt kids.
146 Posted 29/09/2020 at 10:03:33
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