Everton vs Bournemouth

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Will this be Leighton Baines's last match at Everton and, if so, will he see any action?

Everton close out the 2019-20 season at Goodison Park against Bournemouth who come to Merseyside fighting for their Premier League lives.

The Cherries need to win and hope that Watford lose at Arsenal and West ham beat Aston Villa in order to remain in the top-flight for a seventh successive season. To even stand a chance, Eddie Howe's aide have to become the first team to beat Everton at Goodison Park since Carlo Ancelotti took charge last December.

Home stadium advantage might not be all that it was with fans but the Blues have, nonetheless, remained undefeated since the restart, although it was a close-run thing against Villa last time out.

Everton meanwhile I just looking to end the season on a high, having lifted spirits last Monday with victory over Sheffield United at Bramall Lane.

Ancelotti will be without the same four injured players as last week — Mason Holgate, Yerry Mina, and Jean-Philip Gbamin are all ruled out, as is Fabian Delph even though the veteran midfielder returned to training this week.

The manager had hinted that Moise Kean was in the running to start against the blades but his hopes of being included in the starting lineup for the first time since the restart was scuppered by a minor injury he sustained in training.

The Italian should be fit to face Bournemouth, however, and may well get the nod, perhaps over Dominic Calvert-Lewin who has yet to score since the Premier league resumed last month.

The big question for Blues fans, though, is whether this is to be Leighton Baines's last match at Everton before his contract expires. Ancelotti has made no secret of his desire to see the fullback extend his time at the club by another season but he has also indicated that Baines would have a future at Everton regardless, perhaps in a coaching capacity.

Baines has often conveyed an air that football was never his first love and that has plenty of interests to sustain him after he hangs up his boots. That the further one-year contract extension that has been on the table for the past few weeks remains unsigned is, perhaps, an indication that he feels as though this is the end of the road but Evertonians haven't given up hope.

"I think he is going to give us an answer before Sunday," Ancelotti has said. "I think he will make a decision this week or at the end of the game.

“We don't have to wait a lot. Before the game I'd like to talk to him about this, as always Leighton is so professional and every decision I take he understands.

He may be 35 but Baines has shown on the few occasions on which he has been called this season that he can clearly do a job, even if he wouldn't be able to withstand a full season. As such, he could save the club plenty this summer but agreeing to stay for another season but it could be that his mind is already made up.

"He can be a player but also he can be part of this club,” Ancelotti said. “I don't know in which position but for sure he can be part of this club."

If Everton can play like they did in Sheffield six days ago then Bournemouth face an uphill task to remain in the division. Playing with a tweaked formation, Blues were markedly improved against the Blades and would be confident of finishing the season on a high if they can carry that display through to the final game.

Kick-off: 4pm, Sunday 26 July, 2020
Referee: Chris Kavanagh
VAR: Graham Scott
Last Time: Everton 2 - 0 Bournemouth

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Branthwaite, Digne, Davies, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Richarlison, Kean


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 26/07/2020 at 06:50:46
I am hoping for a continuation of the second half display against Sheffield United, anything less would not be a very good way to sign off this season, and could if other results went against us see us in twelfth.

I'm afraid the damage has been done with previous lackluster displays, otherwise a long shot I know, but we could have been looking to secure a Euro slot. The old Bullseye analogy again " look what you could have won "!

Be interesting to see who we bring in this Transfer Window too, as the last few days rumours have had us linked with nearly every player on the planet, but I'm confident that Carlo knows who he needs and can realistically get.

As always, for the final time this season. COYB

Duncan McDine
2 Posted 26/07/2020 at 08:28:58
Love the Bullseye reference, Knoxy... tbh I value Europa League football as much as a bloody caravan or speedboat - the random go-to prizes on Bully!
Drew O'Neall
3 Posted 26/07/2020 at 08:42:24
Derek, hopefully you can take a better look at King and Wilson today in comparison to our incumbents messrs Calvert-Lewin, Kean, Bernard and Walcott.
Robert Leigh
4 Posted 26/07/2020 at 09:36:02
A chance for one or two to stake a claim for next season? I'm thinking in the middle really, where Baningime needs to play in my opinion.

If he plays well we know he's part of the squad for 2020-21, if not he should be sold. Branthwaite has proved we have talent behind the same old names.

Coleman - Keane - Branthwaite - Digne
Richarlison - Gomes - Gordon - Walcott

Derek Knox
5 Posted 26/07/2020 at 09:37:27
Duncan, true, lives in a 17th floor flat in Birmingham and gets a speedboat and skis, or a caravan, and his main mode of transport is the bus! What about those 'top of the range video recorders' that you can get at a Car Boot Sale for less than a fiver with a stack of cassettes?

I know Europa League football is not ideal, but nevertheless is a stepping stone, and a possible entry to the Champions League, mind you, you'd have to win it to get that. Plus it would make us more attractive to any potential new signings.

Jay Evans
6 Posted 26/07/2020 at 09:41:02
A win today will see us stay 11th. Wow.

What a welcome end to a God-awful season.

When the highlight of a season is our caretaker manager celebrating a goal by embracing a ball boy, that basically says it all I suppose.

Carlo has a big job on his hands make no mistake and Marcel simply has to have a better summer transfer window than he did last year. (Mind you, it couldn't be much worse could it ?)

I sincerely hope our transfer business is done early for once and we are are not scraping around for players come September 12th.

I fancy the blues to win by the odd goal today, sealing Bournemouth's fate in the process.

Full support. Onward Evertonians 💙

ps: Has anyone heard anything about when we could possibly be allowed back into the ground?

Joe McMahon
7 Posted 26/07/2020 at 09:45:44
Jay @6, you are correct and what a pathetic highlight. You do forget though the biggest highlight for all of us is being part of "The People's Club".
Jay Evans
8 Posted 26/07/2020 at 09:47:15
How could I forget, Joe? 👍🏼😂
Jason Li
9 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:03:56
Last time we'll see a slow midfield today in a blue performance.

If Allan signs and stays fit, we'll have a player that can grace any midfield in the world, even Barcelona would benefit from this type of player in the team.

Like Gravesen and Joe Parkinson in one player – total dream player to have in the centre mid position.

Let's hope we get a few goals, and Simms and Baingime gets on for a taster.

Pat Kelly
10 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:15:55
So Carlo thinks Baines can have a position with the club even though he's not sure where. Isn't it time we moved on from the family club mentality? Baines has had his day. We need to focus on the future if the club wants to have one.
John Kavanagh
11 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:18:22
Jay #6. Carlo doesn't have the hardest job in football. That goes to the poor bastard charged with producing our highlights DVD for the 2019-20 season.

Unless he can get away with a 3-hour loop of Duncan and the ballboy. Or get Hollywood CGI wizards in to put Bernard's head on Messi's body, speed up Gylfi to walking pace and bring back Delph as one of the Walking Dead.

Even then, I can't envisage it being top of folks' Christmas wish lists.

Len Hawkins
12 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:19:35
No mercy, a performance is paramount to give us hope for next season. Howe may be a closet Blue but, in a cut-throat business, he can go down with his team.

A goalfest is long overdue (for Everton) and would give the team a boost of much-needed confidence to carry through the short off-season.

Mike Kehoe
13 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:21:47
Next season will be entirely different: for the first time in decades, we have a top manager and money. The improvements were obvious from day one, defending at set-pieces became organised and effective rather than the shambolic ‘fingers crossed' approach.

I know it is said that optimism kills you, but I think also of unreal expectations. It will take several windows to start the process of redressing the shocking ineptitude of Moshiri's tenure so far.

Colin Glassar
14 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:27:58
To paraphrase a great old song, “all I want for Christmas is a good display”. I'm not asking for much but a bit of fight and passion.

This has been, by far, the most disappointing season I've known and I've known plenty. A new DoF with a great reputation, an up and coming Manager, some big buys and. it all ended in a shit show!

Just give us a performance and some hope. It's not too much to ask for, is it?

Carl Manning
15 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:31:18
Pat, he's talking behind the scenes so I don't see an issue with issue. It works amazing at most Dutch clubs, Overmars, Bergkamp and Van Der Saar are a few of the players heavily involved at Ajax and have huge roles. Why wouldn't you want a great of the club involved in the bringing through of youngsters or the administration side?

Baines has been a role model his whole career, he has a lot to give back at some level. Why not at the club he cares about and is passionate about?

John Kavanagh
16 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:35:16
Colin #14. That's the really evil bit. They always give us hope. But, like Prometheus chained to the rock, we return each season only to have our entrails torn out again.
Derek Taylor
17 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:37:59
Casting aside all the negativity which, in old age, I seem to apply to every aspect of my life, I confidently look forward to a 5-0 victory for Everton today.

Not quite confident enough to put a fiver on this dream ending to this awful season but they owe us one and Ancelotti would do well to deliver it for us to savour over the truncated closed season. Otherwise, he cannot expect the 'new man love in' to endure long into 20-21.

Sky have found a vacant screen for us on their Golf channel so at least the locals can relish the goalfest. Enjoy!

Pat Kelly
18 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:39:31
Carl #15, do you mean like how Duncan Ferguson has helped turn us around?
Bob Parrington
19 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:43:12

In terms of the performance in this match, as you and I well know, it depends on which Everton turns up. A load of bollocks really. But this has been the way ver the last few seasons.

it troubles me to find what the fuck it is that means 1 week we turn up for the game and for the next 3 weeks we don't.

During my coaching days (amateur tbh) I would never have accepted this. I told the management and the players to Fuck Off if the didn't put in the effort. It worked. In today's high profile, high wage, massive ego days a manager, coach needs to be more than brilliant. Talk about 'people skills'? OMG

Pisses me off to be honest that players can learn even more than $200 spa and still not give a shit. Time for a big change, imo.

Derek Wadeson
20 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:48:37
A thankful end to a rather unsatisfactory season for more reasons than just the football.

But with Everton there is always a big 'but'. If we beat Bournemouth that will give us 15 points from a possible 27 after football resumed. Pre lockdown under Carlo we had 20 points from a possible 33. A total of 20 matches played under Carlo with a record of 35 points from a possible 60. This would be an average of 1.7 points a game which over a 38 game period would yield 65 points, enough this season to finish in a Champions League position.

Food for thought as we dissect the season and find fault with a team that, according to some, needs a more reliable goalkeeper and has an over-the-hill right-back, no solid centre-backs, a powder-puff midfield that cannot tackle, play a forward pass or shoot, and a centre-forward that is Championship level at best. Oh and an assistant coach that only puts the cones out.

No doubt the 'but' will come into play and shoot me down in flames if we don't beat Bournemouth.

Bob Parrington
21 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:58:23
Len @12,

Spot on, mate!

Tony Everan
22 Posted 26/07/2020 at 10:59:23
We get an extra £2m approx prize money if we win or better Southampton, so the players should turn up serious and do a bit for the clubs coffers.

I think the team maybe set up like the 2nd half at Sheffield. Kean will get the last half hour.

Derek 1, I always felt the scorer bloke on Bullseye didn't want the contestants to win. something in the way he said ‘unlucky', whilst trying to hide his delight at their failure.

Jon Wit
23 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:08:25
Since Moyes (mostly) moved us away from relegation-fighting we have had a problem turning up for the important matches.

I guess Martinez tried to install the necessary 'arrogance' but instead we ended up losing our fight or 'pluckiness' when people like to undermine.

Koeman didn't have a passion for the club and Silva just got depressed by the task.

Ancelotti is the right manager if there is one – back him with some players who want to fight and win.

Carl Manning
24 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:11:19
Pat, did I miss the game Duncan lost while in charge? I don't remember one, certainly not Chelsea, Man Utd or Arsenal? 3 teams we played when we looked clueless and heading quickly into free fall, sitting nicely in the bottom 3!!!

So in response to your sarcastic comment, exactly how Duncan has helped turn us round. We have been turned around! We had a team of badly coached and underperforming players who were drained of conifidence and looking in trouble before the games over Xmas.

Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:12:59
The season finished on March 13th for me but they had to carry on and I'm glad it's finally finishing today.

Want to have a little laugh, just tell any Liverpudlian you know that you can't believe they are carrying on with the Champions League. It should be deferred until next March, and then they should just finish this season's competition.

Don't get too close, after all, Covid--19 hasn't really gone away, and the spit that will come out of their mouths might carry a bit of infection, but isn't this the sensible thing to do?

Pat Kelly
26 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:15:56
Carl, the heady heights of bottom half once again isn't what I had in mind.
Colin Glassar
27 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:16:02
An experienced reserve goalie (on a free or loan).
An exciting young right-back to, eventually, replace Seamus.
A new midfield, and I mean NEW, except for Gomes.
A new Moise Kean to kickstart his career next season.

If Marcel and Carlo can pull this off during the window, then we can dream of a top 10 finish next season.

Tony Everan
28 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:16:59
I meant to add, Sigurdsson will have his pecker up again after a better performance and he will want to build on it. I will have a small punt on him grabbing the first goal.

Sigurdsson to score first @ 20/1 with Betfred is enticing.

Vijay Nair
29 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:24:30
Colin (27), I would say we also need a new right winger (preferably left footed). If we start the next season with just Walcott in that position, we're stuffed.
Derek Knox
30 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:32:22
Tony@22, yes Tony Green, how lucky was he to steal a living off that show? Yes take your time, don't be nervous, but get a move on! Oh unlucky there, etc.

And Bully's Special Prize! A win this afternoon at the Old Lady.

Brian Harrison
31 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:39:07
I think the majority of us are just glad the season finishes today, and with only about 6 weeks to the new season beginning there is a lot to be done.

I assume, with Baines so far not agreeing to an extension to his contract, seems unlikely he will sign the extension. He has been a very good player for a number of years and if today is his last it will be a real shame that the fans wont be able to thank him for his time here.

Should be a good game today as Bournemouth have to win, so they will be giving it a real good go, I think if we can score the opening goal it may take the wind out of their sails.

Seems for the last 5 years we have all said this window is one of our most important, and this window is viewed in the same way. The only difference is there will be significantly less money to spend, so we will need to spend it more wisely than we have in the last 4 years. Hopefully, although less money to spend, if its left to Ancelotti to identify the targets rather than Brands I will have a lot more confidence in the signings being the right ones.

Brands should be targeted with getting rid of the deadwood and I can only wish him well on that front. We have put some of the deadwood on such good money nobody outside the top 6 can afford them, and nobody in the top 6 would be interested in our deadwood. In fact, you could argue that not many would interest anyone in the top 12 in the Premier League.

So how you move on players on top money who still have years left on their contracts is very difficult, and we will probably have to loan them out and still end up paying most of their salaries. Should this be the route we have to go down, it won't produce any new money for the transfer kitty; in fact, it will greatly hamper the buying of new players.

Kunal Desai
32 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:39:27
We will need 3-4 players just to get back competing for a Europa League spot. The worry for me is whether the club brings in the required players to make that next step as we always fall short on numbers every season.
Colin Glassar
33 Posted 26/07/2020 at 11:47:50
Vijay, for me, nowadays, wingers are part of the midfield. So yes, a wide (right-wing) player is a must!
Dale Rose
34 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:00:32
To be honest, I'm glad we are safe. I thought we would have been battling relegation this season. Thank fuck for Dunc and Carlo.

Things are coming together and I'm hoping next season bodes well for us. As long as I don't see any more pictures of Mordor and fucking teeth on legs.

Come on you Blues.

Laurie Hartley
36 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:05:09
Tony @ 28 - that's a good bet.

Up the Blues !!!

Brian Murray
37 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:07:07
It's a combination of the club's standing – as in: Can't swoop n sign a well-known gem until his agent says, "Hold on! Are you ambitious?" (Joke: probably means more signing on fee...) "Let's hold hire over Everton until close to last minute."

I'm not making excuses for Brands and I know that high-profile signings are beyond us but, when he was in Holland, he had an eye for talent... cue him getting involved with Everton and turn into Stevie Wonder!

Colin Metcalfe
38 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:09:20
I wish I could be so confident Dale, I want to be positive about next season but I can't help feeling we will be battling relegation – we are by far the worst team to watch since the restart and it doesn't bode well for next season unless we have a very very good transfer window. 2021 maybe the year we say goodbye to the Premier League. Sorry, boys, I need to take some happy pills.
Sean Kelly
39 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:48:48
Colin #27, can we not aim higher than 10th? Jesus wept... plucky little Everton.
Jack Convery
41 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:52:37
I don't know if he will play but David Brooks is a player EFC should watch – great awareness of whats going on around him and he scores goals from midfield.
Raymond Fox
42 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:56:38
It should not be the case but I fancy they will be more motivated than us. Nothing short of a clear win for them will give them a chance of staying up, and it's going be a tough for that reason.

It should be an entertaining game, but we can't get into the top ten even if we win.

It's anybody's guess what the score will be, maybe a 2-2 draw?

Fran Mitchell
43 Posted 26/07/2020 at 12:57:25
Hopefully the last time we'll see some players, and maybe we'll get a look at a couple of younger lads.

Next season will be better, but really can't have been much worse – Liverpool winning the league and us being totally inept has been very depressing.

I hope next season we push into the top-8, but we must be reasonable with expectations – Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester, and Wolves will all be targeting improvement and will invest. Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool will all invest heavily and dominate. So we'll also need one (or more) of these to falter and for us to improve markedly.

Leeds could well be a surprise package too, and Southampton will be much better. Sheffield Utd might well continue to defy expectations.

A big 7 weeks for Ancelotti and Brands.

As for today... meh, anyone really care?

Tom Bowers
44 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:03:41
Brian Harrison # 31 you nailed it and I agree entirely. Another season best forgotten and even more so with what happened across the park. Surely to God things will change for the better next season.

The current squad has some class players but also some who are so inconsistent it is holding us back as a genuine force. Mid-table is what we deserve and, until we get the kind of midfield generalship and creativity, we will remain there.

Of course, a new manager, especially one with pedigree like Carlo, gives one hope for improvement but he needs to build around what talent he has and of course root out those who have not performed over the last season or so.

Bournemouth will be desperate and they can play some good stuff so Everton had better beware... although I suspect Villa and Watford will go down. It's going to be a very nervous last day for those three clubs.

Matthew Williams
45 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:05:14
First names on the team sheet for me would be Keane, Branthwaite and Digne; the rest need to prove their worth to the club.

Let's go out on a good win, eh, Blues!

Brian Williams
46 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:07:59
Bournemouth have lost their last five away games, are in the relegation zone for a reason, and struggle to score goals and defend.

Bank on them for a one-nil win!

Mark Burton
47 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:08:41
Bournemouth must have a good chance of staying up. I bet all the other relagation teams wish they were playing Everton today.
Andrew Clare
48 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:12:41
The results today will be very interesting. Villa and Watford could quite easily lose and Bournemouth could win and stay up. With that in mind, I hope our players are ready for the battle ahead because Bournemouth will be giving their all today.

I just hope this bloody awful season ends on a high note.

Andrew Ellams
49 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:18:52
Bournemouth don't do KITAP1 and they really need to go for it today so I reckon we might see a few goals.

For the summer, if the links to Gabriel, Allan, Rabiot and Leon Bailey came true, I'd be very happy.

Mike Doyle
51 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:31:15
No Delph today. Shocked and Devastated.
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:42:13
Derek, Colin, John

Love all the analogies. Bullseye, Christmas, Prometheus lol all very apt as well.

Steve Shave
53 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:43:22
Also Jonathan David potentially on his way too. You snooze, you lose in this game. Another great prospect. I sincerely hope whoever we are interested in have been identified early and talks are underway.
Jay Harris
54 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:44:04
I believe I am right in saying, if Southampton win by 1 goal more than us, they will leapfrog us into 11th.

A big result is important today and I feel they owe the supporters at least that.

Fortunately Bournemouth leak goals like a sieve and have found it difficult to score lately... but there again, so have we.

Let's hope for a good win.

Colin Glassar
55 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:52:46
Sean, I was trying to be optimistic!
Christy Ring
56 Posted 26/07/2020 at 13:54:00
Mike @51, The signing of Delph has been a disaster, considering he was injury-prone for Man City as well.
Andrew Clare
57 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:03:00
Regarding Delph. How many times have we signed players with a bad history of injuries? Also how many times have we signed players who become plagued by injury? They are just a waste of money.

I just wish our transfer business was conducted more efficiently. Injured players, extortionate fees seem to be our forte.

I am dreading to see who we sign in the coming weeks going by our past record. I hope Carlo has the main say in transfer matters this time.

Geoff Lambert
58 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:08:00
Bournemouth are playing their Champions League Final today, we are going through the motions at the end of a very poor season.

I can see only one team today being up for it – and they won't be in blue.

Kim Vivian
59 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:18:17
Haven't read all the posts but I think Lyndon might have nailed it with his headline. Can see this as a bourefest (sic) this afternoon.

Maybe ending 1-1.

Darren Hind
60 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:23:40
I expected us to be an unbackable odds on, but I just saw you can get, what looks on the surface a generous 6/4.

I can only assume the bookies have one eye on the importance of the fixture for Bournemouth.

Where's the smart money today?

Jamie Crowley
61 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:25:08
Of course I want the Blues to win today. But on a macro-picture level I'd like to see:

Watford go down – this is paramount for me. Fire your manager with two games left?? Hate this Club.

Villa stay up.

Chelsea make Champions League – Hate, hate the Club, love their football and Frank's done an amazing job. Plus Baby Jesus (Christain Pulisic) needs to continue to develop as 360 million people jump on his back as he carries us to a World Cup. ;0)

Gordon Crawford
62 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:36:36
Vijay 29 I have to disagree with you there pal. :) In my opinion he has to be right footed as that would suit our strikers better. That's why forwards and strikers loved playing with Beckham, they knew that if they made the runs he would more or less find them.

I personally think we need to get the best out of our strikers first. Though we do need goals from all over the team.

Gordon Crawford
63 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:37:50
Also I think we will win the day, but it will be a very tough game. 2-1 win for me.
Rob Halligan
64 Posted 26/07/2020 at 14:42:55
Jamie, Watford are gunner (see what I did there 😁😁) get relegated today, no worries on that one. Villa will be the team to stay up.
Paul Birmingham
65 Posted 26/07/2020 at 15:01:06
Colin, @14, ditto.

Patience is a virtue so they say, and the best part of 3 decades waiting, is Biblical.

We live in hope eternal for EFC.

Tony Hill
66 Posted 26/07/2020 at 15:02:26
Yes Villa are a serious club with serious fans. Faded aristos like us.
Simon Dalzell
67 Posted 26/07/2020 at 15:11:28
I really do think we should try very hard to keep Leighton Baines at the club in a coaching roll.

2 - 0 and 3 - 0... Today's bets. COYB

Andrew Keatley
68 Posted 26/07/2020 at 15:23:39
Bournemouth will know that the only chance they have of staying up is if they win and Watford and Villa both lose. Goal difference would mean that any kind of win would do it. I'm expecting a very cagey first half that ends goalless, and then the second half to be pretty exciting.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
69 Posted 26/07/2020 at 15:40:05
Those saying we buy people with a terrible injury record. Were you around 40 years ago and were you saying the same about Peter Reid and Andy Gray?

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