Delph adds to injury concerns

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Fabian Delph has emerged as the latest injury doubt for Everton's first game back since the suspension of the 2019-20 season after he strained a muscle.

The one-time England international midfielder has battled a succession of minor injuries since making an £8m move from Manchester City last year and he will be unable to train this week after picking up another soft-tissue problem.

Everton's medical staff are hopeful that he will be able to shake the injury off and resume training next week.

Defender Yerry Mina, midfielders Jean-Philippe Gbamin and Morgan Schneiderlin, winger Theo Walcott and striker Cenk Tosun are all medium- to long-term absentees and there have been reports that André Gomes has also had to pause training this week because of a minor muscle strain.  

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Bill Gienapp
1 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:05:13
Keep 'em coming, baby!
Fran Mitchell
2 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:14:44
Centre-midfield options currently available? Sigurdsson and Davies. Anyone else?

Jesus, we're screwed!

Billy Roberts
3 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:22:31
Do Liverpool have any injuries? I haven't noticed any high profile injuries on BBC sport etc. Do they keep their injuries out of the media or is it all down to the fantastic condition of most of their players? If they go into this derby with no first-team injuries, this will put our recruitment and fitness teams under the spotlight.

I always resist from making judgments on areas of the game I know nothing about but this injury plague is becoming harder not to question. Liverpool's recruitment of players of not only talent but of players with great stamina and durability is beyond question a clear reason for their success.

Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:26:20

The Club has clearly failed to give our players the right supplements!
Fran Mitchell
5 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:27:03
There is quite possibly the issue of intensity of players' lockdown conditioning.

Liverpool, knowing that the game is there to be won, probably had more incentive to keep in condition. Our players, however, were probably more 'switched off'.

Seamus McCrudden
6 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:37:26
Irish radio newstalk John Giles live now on the show 'Off the ball' talking about John's best ever 11 Everton team... great listening.
Billy Roberts
7 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:39:56
Dennis @4,

Oh how I would love a Lance Armstrong style scandal to engulf that club just before the derby!! Wouldn't that be sweet!!

We can only dream, meanwhile imagine our injury list when we start playing?

Frank Wade
8 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:40:01
This is the Newstalk link Link Podcast of this show available via this link tomorrow
Frank Wade
9 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:41:49
Johnny Giles has always claimed he was the innocent party in his 'brush' with Sandy Brown. I'm relying on John or Dave for confirmation.
Joe McMahon
10 Posted 11/06/2020 at 19:53:08
It just shows what happens when you buy players with an already bad injury record, it keeps happening season after season. Lessons should have been learned after Darren Gibson. Yet again, the derby is going to be an embarrassing shocker live to the nation.

The club has been wretched for years now, nothing ever changes. There are people missing James McCarthy (for some reason) – why I don't know as he was always injured or getting booked.

I won't be surprised if Carlo walks at the end of the season, as it could damage his reputation, as the Moshiri project is too big a task. Millions has been spent but nothing has changed, apart from losing ground on Wolves and Leicester.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but let's face it, we will be torn apart in the derby as Liverpool win the title in front of the empty wooden seats of Goodison Park.

Pat Kelly
11 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:00:10
Delph was a known crock when we signed him. Chickens come home to roost.
Billy Roberts
12 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:06:44
Joe @10,

That's got me right in the mood for this match!!

But seriously, I agree with the main gist of what you're saying, we seem to be trapped in a never-ending vicious circle of gambling on promise (where do I start?) and proven but injury-prone (where do I start?).

Even not long after our successful period in the late '80s, we were gambling on Norman Whiteside. Norman was an excellent player but no other top 4 to 6 clubs were going near him.

We could name a starting 11 of crocks who could win the league from that point to today. I gave you Whiteside, then sometimes we have both the exciting prospect who is always injured and never fulfills his potential. How about a front two of Ferguson and Yakubu?

Richard Mason
13 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:10:54
Robertson and Salah were not available for their challenge match against Blackburn.

Adrenian was called back up to first-team training. I'm assuming Beni was as well as we seem really light at the minute in centre-midfield

Joe McMahon
14 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:22:48
Billy @12, yes, I realise I was all doom and gloom. But I still standby what I said, and you have just given another good example with Whiteside. Like you say, it's a never-ending circle. Christ, our last trophy seems a lifetime away.
Billy Roberts
15 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:26:46
Richard @13,

I'd be surprised if either of them two won't be available for the derby as they epitomise the full-throttle super-fit player Liverpool have many of.

Dan Nulty
16 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:34:47
Is this just happening to us or are other clubs suffering from a lack of conditioning?
Bobby Mallon
17 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:34:54
We buy crocks Delph, Walcott, Gbamin, Mina – we knew their medical records. What really gets me mad is the money we spend on crocks.
Brent Stephens
18 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:43:48

This seems to show we are the worst for injuries.

John McFarlane Snr
19 Posted 11/06/2020 at 20:55:40
Hi Frank [9],

I was behind the Park End goal for that game and, as I remember it, Sandy Brown reacted to something that Giles did or said as they tangled on the edge of the penalty area.

My abiding memory was of the scything tackle that Willie Bell made on Derek Temple, in front of the Paddock, I expected Temple to be on his way to Walton Hospital for treatment. To say that I was surprised to see Temple return when play was resumed, would be an understatement.

Giles had the reputation of being one of the most sly and nasty players in the game and, to rub salt into the wound, Bell scored the winning goal.

Martin Berry
20 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:00:03
Looks like Carlo and Big Dunc maybe polishing their boots soon if this keeps on.
Robert Tressell
21 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:11:39
I quite liked Delph when we signed him. Actually thought we should have signed him from Leeds years ago.

But he's now just morphed into yet another midfielder who drains the life out of me when I see him named. He's not turned out to be a good fit for us. Some fit, young aggressive replacements needed urgently.

Christy Ring
22 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:27:42
Delph was injury-prone before we even bought him, gave him a 3-year contract on a bigger salary than at Man City. I could never understand why so many thought he was a bargain, and I won't talk about his attitude?
Peter Thistle
23 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:30:36
Sack every trainer at Everton. We have way more than the average amount of injuries caused by training. Something is going wrong!
Kevin Prytherch
24 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:31:23
Martin @20 - if Carlo pulls on his boots, at least we'll have more pace in the centre than with Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson playing!!!
Peter Mills
25 Posted 11/06/2020 at 21:38:55
Frank #9, John Mc has got it spot on @19.
Paul Kernot
26 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:10:42
Billy #12. Make it a front 3 adding Louis Saha.
Frank Wade
27 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:13:09
Thanks John and Peter,

Before my time but I have heard Giles speak of this a few times and I felt he was pushing his 'I done nuttin' side a bit too strongly! In fairness, he spoke very well of Everton during his interview tonight, even if his best Everton team formation selected was a bit suspect. Full interview here, just select the Johnny Giles Podcast.

Back on topic, Delph being injured won't have surprised many.

Tony McNulty
28 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:22:43
The Parents' race at my school produced fewer crocks.
Paul Birmingham
29 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:22:54
At least it's not a surprise and we can all have our views, which are respected, but you can't help but think that the self discipline and focus required to be a professional athlete, in this case an Everton player, is not good enough by several players of this squad.

Is any one surprised Delph is unfit? I doubt it it.

Hopefully in the next week, the injury blight will even out with the RS missing key players...

Terrible to be relying on fate and Lady Luck and then, even if the case, their kids would have a very good go.

Will the RS be rusty too, even rustier than the Everton team that turns out?

Gary Willock
31 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:32:37
Not good, but not surprising really. Schneiderlin, Delph, Walcott, Mina (and a few others unfortunately) are all going to just *keep* getting injured. Just give some kids a proper go in what's left of this blag season, with no fans there to scare them into mistakes.

Beni, Onyango, Adeniran, Simms, Gordon, Branthwaite, etc. at least from the bench in the 5 sub era! Experiment a little with the first 11. Holgate and Iwobi in the middle would be nice to see (if no Gomes), but Branthwaite may be too big a risk. Maybe give Baines a go there - what's really to lose? Can't do worse than Sigurdsson and Davies as a centre-midfield pair.

Coleman Keane Holgate Digne
Richarlison Iwobi Baines Bernard
Kean Calvert-Lewin

With the kids on the bench.

John Raftery
32 Posted 11/06/2020 at 22:47:19
Over the course of this season, Gbamin, Mina, Walcott and Delph have all suffered muscle injuries, some more serious than others. It is no surprise that all four of them have broken down again after a lengthy layoff.
Bill Gall
36 Posted 11/06/2020 at 23:16:59
Well, I hope the team we're are able to put out for the next game are going to last for the full 90 minutes.

I was under the impression that the players were supposed to keep up with a fitness regime under instructions from the fitness staff during this pandemic... sounds like some of them were not doing as much as they should have, and have been pushed too hard to get ready for the continuance of the Premier League.

I just hope that any new signings are fully investigated on their previous fitness and we stop signing players with dubious fitness backgrounds.

Jack Convery
37 Posted 11/06/2020 at 23:28:52
Everton more crocks than you'll find in a kiln after a firing.
Tony Hill
38 Posted 11/06/2020 at 23:43:49
I think it is time to ask serious questions about our injury record. It is dreadful and has been for a while.

I'm afraid I agree with the pessimists above and with some disillusioned comments on other threads. I'm closer than I've ever been to letting the club recede in my priorities and I've decided not to watch any of our remaining games, as a very small protest against the whole pantomime.

Billy Roberts
39 Posted 12/06/2020 at 00:17:47
Paul @ 26,

Yes, funny that I had Saha in my initial superb but always fucked forward line-up but thought games played / per time at club??

What about midfield then? If you want to go down the "We are fuckin cursed" avenue, I will give you Paul Bracewell – do you want to raise me?

By the way, Paul, I haven't got a clue about cards either, it just sounds good.

Brian Wilkinson
40 Posted 12/06/2020 at 00:41:03
Billy, can I raise you with Darren Gibson.

Brian Wilkinson
41 Posted 12/06/2020 at 00:42:26
Or Danny Williamson.
Derek Thomas
44 Posted 12/06/2020 at 01:28:59
C&C: commitment from players and competence from medical staff. Though, to be fair, the medical staff can't work miracles on crocks.

It shows how bad we are, if just one of those got injured, you'd say no big loss – and we have four (?) of them.

Mike Gaynes
45 Posted 12/06/2020 at 01:49:35
Some five-a-side fun with the guys in training. Sigurdsson and Calvert-Lewin scoring bunches of well-struck goals. Enjoy.

Paul Kernot
46 Posted 12/06/2020 at 02:31:05
Billy #39 & Brian #40. I'm not even going to try to raise anybody anywhere any time against Gibson. How strict are we on the midfield aspect? Does it include wingers? Bolasie would certainly qualify there.
Bob Parrington
47 Posted 12/06/2020 at 02:46:48
At this rate, they'll be asking some Toffee Webbers to play. Going on names so far today in this thread, I'd pick Dennis Stevens.
Paul Kernot
48 Posted 12/06/2020 at 04:45:34
Bob #46. I'm old enough to have been at a game at Goodison when they had to get a qualified ref out of the crowd to run the line.
Bob Parrington
49 Posted 12/06/2020 at 05:18:10
Hi Paul, I have a vague reflection of that happening at Goodison Park but I can't remember the game. I'm a 48er (as my neighbour calls us). However, it's because he and I were both born in '48 and not because we are the young alternative.
Mark Murphy
50 Posted 12/06/2020 at 06:56:30
For once I don't care who is out or unavailable for this “derby”. It's a nonsense game and the result, whatever happens, should be taken with a massive shrug and pinch of salt. It means as much to me as the Simod Cup!

Roll on next season when we can experience proper competitive football and Carlo's experience and nous! The 2019-20* season means fuck all!

Jerome Shields
52 Posted 12/06/2020 at 08:34:27
The unrealistic diversion of the Zaha saga last Summer, when Everton appeared to be going to blow two years transfer funds, distracted Brands (not on his list at anything like the money mooted) and left him getting the show back on the road, with little time and suitable players available.

Glad we got Delph who did put in performances when he played, and contributed to points. Could have been worse, Saha and Rojo would have driven us all completely mad.

Mark Dunford
54 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:01:08
Delph has been underwhelming to say the least. Unfit, arrogant, etc with a misplaced faith in his own superiority. His social media argument with the fan put me off completely and that followed on from the petulant, agonised scream in the televised game.
Ray Robinson
55 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:01:32
Paul #48 and Bob #49, I seem to remember that happening in a match against Aston Villa in 1963-64 when we won 4-2. If I'm not mistaken – and this is where advancing years are clouding my memory – it was a pea-souper and I didn't see the Everton goals scored at the Park End.

What I think happened is that one of the linesmen became the ref and the Everton trainer ran the line. I wonder if anyone can confirm this with some further research?

Sam Hoare
56 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:22:12
Jerome @52; I'd be very surprised if that were the case. I suspect a lot of the Zaha stuff was tabloid gossip. Think I heard someone in the club suggest one bid was put in (at lower figure than reported) which was rejected and that was it.

Though certainly the window did not go quite as planned; I think perhaps Zouma was more an issue and then they thought they'd get Tomori until David Luiz threw in a last-minute wrench by leaving Chelsea.

Colin Glassar
57 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:39:12
Just cancel the sodding season and get rid of the chronically weak and injured, please! What a shambles.
Billy Roberts
58 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:43:08
Brian@40, Paul@46

Yes, I think we will have concede that Brian won that game,
A devastating midfield combo of Gibson and Williamson!! More medical experience there than Florence Nightingale.

Paul Tran
59 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:43:10
I had the impression that we signed Delph as a squad player-cum-good experienced man to have around the squad. Then Gbamin & Gomes got injured, he played more than intended and got injured frequently as a result.

For me he gets the Phil Neville award for proving that playing in a team surrounded by great players doesn't mean you move to an average team and shine.

Brian Harrison
60 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:43:54
I am not in the least surprised that Delph along with Mina have again picked up injuries. Delph and Mina had many injury concerns at their previous clubs, yes sometimes players can be unlucky with injuries, but, over a fairly long period, these two have had persistent injuries.

When you invest in players you need them to be available for the majority of your games, so why take a risk on players with poor injury records, makes absolutely no sense.

Should we be able to get Zouma and Gueye back, I would be delighted, as both are better options than what we have in their positions, also there is no problem with either player regarding injuries.

Martin Nicholls
61 Posted 12/06/2020 at 09:53:09
On the subject of signing crocks, we did so in 1982 and 1983 with Peter Reid and Andy Gray, with spectacular results. Unfortunately, it seems like someone at the Club has, for the last 37 years, laboured under the misapprehension that that is a blueprint for further success!
Robert Tressell
62 Posted 12/06/2020 at 10:00:49
Paul – agree with the rationale for signing Delph (he can play left-back too). But, in fairness to Neville, he never had the quality to shine in average side, but he had plenty of spirit. We're sadly lacking a character like that. It briefly looked like Delph might offer something along those lines but it has all fizzled out.
Brian Williams
63 Posted 12/06/2020 at 10:08:16
Martin #61.

Yeh, Martin but that was when players were the equivalent of Ford Sierras. Patch em up, bit of filler, coat of paint, good as new!

Nowadays they're the equivalent of AMG Mercs where a bulb blows and the car won't fuckin' run without a million quids worth of analytical equipment carrying out test after test before the bulbs changed, only for another bulb to blow somewhere else.

Author's note:

(This post is NOT based on fact but seeks to whimsically compare players of yesteryear to present-day players, so any AMG owners... don't bother.)

Paul Kernot
64 Posted 12/06/2020 at 10:39:25
Brian #63. I thought exactly that about Peter Reid after reading his excellent biography. His knees were knackered & pieced back together so many times but back then, he could get away with playing a different game. That was until that fateful World Cup game when he came up against Maradonna!
Martin Reppion
65 Posted 12/06/2020 at 10:53:09
Any more injuries and I'll start polishing my boots.

I can't actually play football, but I'll kick Mo Salah into the Gwladys Street end at the first corner.

On a serious note. I am not sure how players are motivating themselves for these games. The roar of the crowd, 'our 12th player.' etc are comments we hear at post-match interviews. I've just watched the snooker Championship league on ITV4. It was weird seeing great shots and great breaks met with silence. Luca Brecel clearly wanted to raise his hands to the acclaim of fans but was slightly embarrassed in the near silence.

It was no surprise that the final 4 players included 3 who have won virtually nothing in the past. Some players respond to the pressure of a big crowd. that is what makes them great. (Andy Hinchcliffe was one who, reportedly, didn't like a crowd until Joe Royle got into his head.) So, when the games are played we will get odd results and surprises. I hope they start happening at Goodison Park.

Tony Everan
66 Posted 12/06/2020 at 11:10:10
Training ground will have to be renamed “Finch Farm Medical Centre” - equipped with some added training facilities.

Sam H..... When are we getting our summer transfer window list of players who could improve us?

Looks like Hojbjerg from Southampton could be one of the first deals done. I think there will be another central midfielder incoming too especially with Schneiderlin on his way out and Gbamin injured long-term.

Tom Bowers
67 Posted 12/06/2020 at 11:10:22
This season has basically fizzled out and I for one can't wait until the new one starts with normality whenever that will be.

Yes, we can watch on TV and yes, with false crowd noise but can we really get excited.

So now you can have any 5 from 8 subs. but the way things are at Everton they will be lucky to have 8 available on. the bench.

Darren Hind
68 Posted 12/06/2020 at 11:20:40
Martin @65,

You have inadvertently come up with a fantastic subject for a new thread. If you had the chance to put any RS player (past or present) into the stand, who would it be?

There are some very obvious candidates, like Gerrard, Hughes, Souness, Thompson, Carragher, Kuyt.

The way our players are going down, a few of us may well be getting the call to face them next week. You can have Mo Salah, but I bagsy Jordan Henderson. He's is mine.

Kev Gibbs
69 Posted 12/06/2020 at 11:42:57
The arch shithouse himself Jimmy Case for me.
Steve Brown
70 Posted 12/06/2020 at 12:20:52
Darren @ 68, are we only allowed to put them into the stand?
David Thomas
71 Posted 12/06/2020 at 12:33:01
Pepe Reina and Ian St John would be high on the list.
Sam Hoare
72 Posted 12/06/2020 at 12:41:11
Tony E@66, pretty soon I hope. One player who may have featured is Salisu from Valladolid who it's said is close to joining Rennes for 㾸M. Absolute bargain I'd think at that price. Tall, fast and left-footed; I'm sure there's another team who needs a centre-back like that!
Robert Tressell
74 Posted 12/06/2020 at 13:08:06
I was expecting Salisu to get a move to a bigger side than Rennes. Looks like a very good bet for a Champions League side (or us).
Jerome Shields
75 Posted 12/06/2020 at 13:14:48
Sam #56,

They where both big issues regarding the Summer Transfer window.

But In the case of Zaha, Moshiri did make money available at the end of the transfer window. I think this was partly with the intent of getting a bit money signing. There where others namely Kenwright who got involved and Brands carefully laid plans where side-tracked. Brands came up with the Iowbi transfer, and was an announcement from the Club, to end behind the scenes involvement. Other behind the scenes offers where made on top of the official one, hence the reaction of Palace and Zaha. Neither Brands or Silva were in control of transfer policy, during this crucial stage in the Summer Transfer Window. Silva has recently blamed The Summer Transfer Market for doing him in.

The Zouma situation is as you stated.

Rojo had Kenwright written all over it , as was the case in the previous season.

Ancelotti will want Brands in control, Silva was too weak.

Martin Nicholls
76 Posted 12/06/2020 at 13:28:36
Brian #63 – brilliant!

Darren, Kev – I'd happily second those nominations but if Emlyn Hughes was still around, he'd be first on my list!

Joe McMahon
77 Posted 12/06/2020 at 13:30:59
Brian @63, brilliant! It's so true.
Bob Parrington
78 Posted 12/06/2020 at 14:11:53
Ray @ 55. Great recollection. Starting to tick the boxes. Yes. That stuff called fog! Thanks!
Rob Halligan
79 Posted 12/06/2020 at 14:22:31
Darren, why stop at just one, and why into the stands? I would put the lot on a one way ticket to the moon, and put those gobshite fans right behind them. However, if I was pressed into just one player, John Aldridge would be top of the list. Obnoxious piece of shit he was, closely followed by fungus face Klopp himself.
Sam Hoare
80 Posted 12/06/2020 at 15:07:13
Jerome @75; that's interesting. Do I take it you have some ITK links? Or are you speculating? All adds up.
Bill Gall
81 Posted 12/06/2020 at 15:18:27
Talking about watching the game on TV with false crowd noises, it reminds me of some of the supposed comedy shows on TV with canned laughter where every joke receives the same reaction and that is as poor as the supposed joke.
John McFarlane Snr
82 Posted 12/06/2020 at 15:39:48
Hi Paul [48] and Ray [55],

I have searched for reference of this incident without success. I too recall a linesman being replaced, but in my mind's eye, the opponents are West Brom and the replacement was a member of their club. All I can be sure of is that he ran the line adjacent to the Paddock, and it was a clear day.

The Villa game was staged on 28 February 1964, and the West Brom game four weeks later on 27 March (Good Friday). I don't think that ''pea-souper's'' were likely to feature at that stage of the season, and it's quite possible that this has happened on more than one occasion.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, because I'm not sure that I'm right, and four weeks away from my 82nd birthday my memory is not as good as it was.

Charles Brewer
83 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:12:29
So Wolves, Sheffield Utd, Man City, Man Utd all have no injuries; West Ham and Palace only have one each – Deulofeu and Tosun.

Looks like Everton have a policy of buying crocks and wrecking those who aren't.

Patrick McFarlane
84 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:38:14
Charles #83,

I suppose this catalogue of buying crocks, or failing to keep fit those that arrived with no injury concerns, is what has kept the club in the top flight for 65 years.

Has Everton FC been guilty of buying players with dodgy injury records? Of course it has. Sometimes it has worked; often times, it hasn't...

But we are not the only club that has done this, it's just that we don't get a daily update on all of the other clubs' failures.

Ray Robinson
85 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:42:23
John #82, just managed to find this. Honestly, not trying to be a smart arse:

On 28 February 1964, Everton, having recently been knocked out of the FA Cup at Sunderland, faced Joe Mercer's Aston Villa side at Goodison Park, and at some point in the match Geoff Sidebottom the Villa keeper had to be replaced due to a fainting incident and he had to be taken to hospital.

As this game had been played prior to the introduction of substitutes, Villa outfield player John Sleeuwenhoek had to replace him in goal as Villa were reduced to ten men.

As well as the incident with the Villa keeper, Referee Bill Hollan also had to retire early from the match following an injury sustained in a collision, presumably with a player, and Everton coach Ron Lewin took over as linesman. But Lewin was replaced by a qualified volunteer from among the crowd – following a controversial off-side decision relating to Everton's equalising goal scored by Roy Vernon.

If that had not been enough entertainment, the second-half of the game could only be seen from one side of the pitch as the other half of the pitch was shrouded in thick fog.

The game burst into life when Harry Burrows (5') gave Villa an early lead from the spot, but Dennis Stevens (15') drew the Blues level as the teams went in all-square at the interval.

In the second-half, Roy Vernon (55') gave Everton the lead from the penalty spot and two further goals from Alex Young (66') and Alex Scott (70') put the Blues firmly in the driving seat although George Graham (77') pulled a goal back – one of only two goals that he scored for Villa in his eight appearances for the club.

But it was too little, too late as Everton (4-2) ran out comfortable winners in front of 50,292 fans – but how many of those assembled managed to witness the whole of the game is open to question.

Charles Brewer
86 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:48:04
Patrick, I think the "crocks" policy only really started with the Premier League era – Reid and Gray were a couple of exceptions, but were also the only ones who ever seem to have worked out well.

Our Premier League record, apart from a couple of seasons, has been a mix of dreary mediocrity interspersed with desperate survival tactics. We have had exactly one world-class player – Wayne Rooney – and flogged him off as soon as a half-decent offer came in. We have mostly bought utter shit - Klaassen, Sigurdsson, Williams, Shandy Andy, and crocks Gbamin, Gibson, Mina, a paralytic Gazza – we might as well have stuffed the money under the mattress and played the under-17s in place of that lot.

Jerome Shields
87 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:54:59
Sam #80,

It was how it appeared to me at the time, having experienced Everton transfer windows over years. It contrasted so much with Brands's wise take on transfers in the context of the Club's financial position, and was pure Kenwright when someone else was paying.

I am not saying it would have made Silva's tenure longer, because his basic coaching flaws would have caught up with him anyway, but it did make Brands look amateurish, though he probably saved the club, in financial terms, by sabotaging the Zaha transfer. Kenwright did not help by getting carried away.

It will eventually come out in the wash as all these things do at Everton. The good outcome was that Moshiri realised he needed to up the calibre of manager and got Ancelotti.

Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 12/06/2020 at 17:08:44
No player gets injured on purpose, but I know one Everton player was telling my son's mate that there was no way that they were going to start playing again this season. That might just have contributed to us having more than our fair share of injuries right now.

The only thing that matters now is getting the two wins required which will keep us in the Premier League. Then it's all about being professional, and just starting to prepare for next season, especially if the turn-around is going to only be a few weeks.

Charles Brewer
89 Posted 12/06/2020 at 17:28:15
Tony, I'm sure that's true and, while there are definitely some absolutely loyalty-free mercenaries out there, they all want to do well. Whether it's a Wayne Rooney who would probably pay Everton to let him play or any of a hundred Red Shite (r) or Man Utd thugs and badge kissers, they all want to do as well as possible.

The problem is, they are not all either as tough as the Premier League needs them to be, or perhaps as sly as to get a nasty dig in at a few opposition players to warn them off, and many of them just aren't of the physical quality required.

Everton seems to have failed in four ways:

1) Picking players who are good and can take a bashing – the Fred Pickerings;

2) Picking players who can take the strain of constant play – that is, not the likes of James McCarthy, Gerard Deulofeu or Fabian Delph;

3) Picking players who can't stay out of trouble and have a long history of injury – Gbamin, Gibson, Bolasie, Besic;

4) Picking players who are rubbish and/or over the hill, Klaassen, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Gazza, probably Rooney Mk II.

Conor McCourt
90 Posted 12/06/2020 at 17:33:36
I was hammering Brands on the Besic thread for signing Delph and Iwobi in particular and within a day or two the former is back injured again.

Unbelievable!! What are we paying this lad for?

John McFarlane Snr
91 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:41:57
Hi Ray [85],

I have to confess that I can't recall that game and I have no doubt that I was there. I can only cling to the hope that there was another occasion, no matter who the opponents were, to give me credibility. I don't consider you as a Smart Alec at all, you were right in what you wrote and I misjudged the whims of the British weather.

Christy Ring
92 Posted 12/06/2020 at 19:04:15
Jerome @52,

You're correct, Delph did contribute points for us this season. When he got sent off against Watford, Holgate went to midfield, turned the game and we won 3-2.

Mike Berry
93 Posted 12/06/2020 at 19:13:23
No loss.
David Thomas
94 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:06:32
Well, if Brands was the one pushing for the Iwobi deal, then I wouldn't trust him with another penny of the club's funds.
Tony Hill
95 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:29:43
Andrew Robertson. The essence of gurning, weasel-faced, graceless Red gobshitery.

I think he'd be my choice, on balance.

Paul Olsen
96 Posted 12/06/2020 at 21:30:12
This fraud has been picking our pockets since Day 1. Another terrible signing.
Dick Fearon
97 Posted 13/06/2020 at 00:47:19
I was at that game where the designated whistleblower went down after colliding with a player, his replacement was the senior linesman. I know he was the senior because he was the one with the red flag (another old custom that seems to have disappeared).

The tannoy announcer appealed for any volunteer in the crowd that had refereeing credentials to run the line. The No 2 ref took the opportunity to swap his yellow flag for the red one. That was not the end of the matter because the substitute ref suffered some kind of stomach problem to be replaced by the newly self-appointed bearer of the Red flag.

The announcer said with agreement of both team captains an Everton assistant would take over the vacant Linesman's role.

Or did I just dream all of this.

Bob Parrington
98 Posted 13/06/2020 at 01:06:54
Ray @82,

Good work. Thanks. Certainly is helping me draw down images from the past. I do remember that fog sweeping in to the extent that I thought the game might be abandoned.

Dick Fearon
99 Posted 13/06/2020 at 06:03:44
I agree, the RS suffer fewer injuries than us and I think it goes back to the well known tough training regime of Shankly and his 'hard case' boot room.

Mick Conalty
100 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:03:15
Do you think we should turn up next Sunday? No, I don't mean the fans, I'm talking about what's left of our team!!

I've already reserved my place behind the sofa.

Jerome Shields
101 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:03:29
Christy #92,

I agree, Holgate did do it in that day. Delph was a rushed signing and Everton got ripped off in the deal.

Jerome Shields
102 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:06:46
David #94,

It was the only deal available and got Brands back in control of the budget. Silva would have agreed it.

The end of Summer Transfer signings where all rushed, with Everton playing catch up. Lucky they did not get the left-back back-up. Holgate would have been down the pecking order and would have been out on loan this season.

Len Hawkins
103 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:30:02
Instead of telling us when Delph is injured, can it be left until he is fit and has strung two games together, even if he does get injured in the second?
Tony Everan
104 Posted 13/06/2020 at 12:33:11
We signed Delph from Man City for ٦M and a massive wage contract. The RS signed Milner for free from Man City when his contract was expiring, also massive wages.

Milner has been a bargain, Delph has been a disappointment. There is still time for him to prove his worth but would anyone put a tenner on him ever giving us a full season?

We have to avoid, unless it's a no-brainier, getting ageing fringe player cast-offs from the Sky 6 clubs. It often ends in them being an average fringe player for us also. Going through the motions on their final big contract. Think Schneiderlin, Delph, Walcott. They must think we are the biggest suckers in the league.

Ken Kneale
105 Posted 13/06/2020 at 13:08:54
Tony 104. There is sadly no need to think about it. We have ample evidence on a week by week, season by season basis. We are the biggest suckers in the league.
Mark Louch
106 Posted 13/06/2020 at 13:53:46
We must not have a totally selective memory, we signed Gareth Barry from City for relative peanuts and for 2-3 years he was one of the most effective players we had.

It is a little bit of a lottery when you are looking for bargains and depends hugely on player attitude. Barry, Milner and Delph appear to show how different they can be.

Danny Baily
107 Posted 13/06/2020 at 14:07:55
Just another excuse to field the younger squad players and treat this restart with the respect it deserves.

We do need 3 points from somewhere though!

Conor McCourt
108 Posted 13/06/2020 at 14:38:09
I have heard supporters of the signing of Delph use the Gareth Barry example to justify Fabian's arrival. To me, this is a silly comparison for a number of reasons:

1) Quality – Barry was a top-level player whose importance was usurped at Man City by a mixture of world-class players and a slight decline due to his age. Fabian Delph was never good enough for Man City and only lasted as long because of Mendy's issues at left-back. Had he been the signing that initially looked likely, Delph would have been gone long before. Delph never made it at Man City, like Barry.

2) Availability – Gareth played a huge amount of games in the Premier League and was an experienced international. Delph had much less know-how and is rarely injury-free.

3) Need – Under Martinez, we had limited funds and, because we had spent 㾹 million on Jimmy Mac, we needed that figurehead to complement the Irishman's industry. It was an excellent symbiotic partnership which the Spaniard created. Under Moshiri, we weren't under the same financial restrictions and we already had senior players in that area and hadn't replaced the only dynamic players in Gueye and McCarthy. Delph was not a necessity like Barry.

Jerome Shields
109 Posted 13/06/2020 at 15:11:20
Connor #108,

What we have now are not fit to shine Gareth Barry's boots!

Tony Everan
110 Posted 13/06/2020 at 17:29:48
Damned right, Jerome,

Mark @106 mentions attitude. Gareth Barry had no peers when it came to attitude and professionalism. He never gave less than 100% for us, he wasn't here just for the big contract. Traits we should focus on a lot more when considering such players.

Christy Ring
111 Posted 13/06/2020 at 18:40:28
Conor @108, and Jerome@109,

I agree completely. When Gueye and McCarthy played, they gave it all, and had attitude, unlike Delph and Schneiderlin, who offer nothing.

Our best defensive midfielder is a centre-back, Holgate, that says it all.

Sukhdev Sohal
112 Posted 13/06/2020 at 18:44:15
Just cause Delph was English and played for Aston Villa before Man City we seem to think he would be like Barry? Not a chance.
David Thomas
113 Posted 13/06/2020 at 18:55:05
Jerome @102, if spending 㿊-odd million on Iwobi Is Brands getting back in control, then god help us. Arsenal must be laughing their socks off at us.
Joe McMahon
114 Posted 13/06/2020 at 19:40:45
Tony and Jerome, I always thought we missed an opportunity like Barry not trying for Milner again when he was not wanted by Man City.
Peter Neilson
115 Posted 13/06/2020 at 19:42:33
I agree re Gareth Barry, what a great signing. Never the quickest but his game wasn't dependent on that. His awareness of what was going on around him was his strength and allowed him to find that extra second. Cracking player.
Paul Setter
116 Posted 13/06/2020 at 22:40:52
I absolutely detest Delph with a passion, complete rodent of a player. I hope he is shown the door in the summer.

He offers nothing... not a thing. Easily the worse player we have had for many a year.

Justin Doone
117 Posted 13/06/2020 at 23:06:16
John Davies
118 Posted 14/06/2020 at 13:21:54
Fabian Delph injured? What? Really? I can hardly believe it!
David Currie
119 Posted 14/06/2020 at 19:22:51
We signed a squad player at Man City with a poor injury record and gave him obscene money. We need to stop buying these type of players. I also include Schneiderlin, who failed at Man Utd, and Sigurdsson, who failed at Spurs.
Joe McMahon
120 Posted 14/06/2020 at 19:31:56
Guys, I've just had a look at the Premier League table for the first time since March, to remember where we are. FFS, we are below Burnley and Palace!! I forgot about all this, it's pathetic for a huge wage bill such as ours. I do however recall our last performance vs Chelsea was pitiful.
Raymond Fox
121 Posted 14/06/2020 at 21:30:42
I think there's a case for modern players being over-trained! They seem to be injured very often.

That said, it's always been that some players are not physically up to the job; signing players with a longish history on the sidelines is a big punt.

Problem is, we can't attract the very best players in their prime, so we take chances on players such as Delph.

George Stuart
122 Posted 15/06/2020 at 00:59:10
I've heard the entire Liverpool first team are out with Covid suspicion. They are going to have to field the youth team. So that presents us with a fabulous opportunity too.

Anyway, fitness? The Aussie rules football (sic) started again here in front of empty stadiums this weekend. AFL has often been promoted as the fitest team sport in the world. Scores have been hovering around the modest 50s and 60s Instead of the usual 90s and 100s.

One commentator noted that teams are starting off as usual in the first two quarters but are dead on their feet in the last two quarters. AFL are very very good on sports science. It's just the situation we find ourselves in. I'd be interested to hear how the German league looks in this respect.

Positive outlook, Liverpool probably won't win the Premier Legaue by beating us. So that's something.

Paul Jones
123 Posted 15/06/2020 at 01:16:02
I remember many years ago being relieved when a proposed move for Delph did not work out after being advised by a friend who supported Leeds that he was over-rated with no outstanding qualities. Having watched him over many years and unfortunately of late at Everton, I have seen nothing to the contrary.

Since we have had Directors of Football, we have made some terrible signings. Gueye and Richarlison have been the best buys of recent years but most knowledgeable followers of the game would have noticed them.

The one plus of Silva's management was the signing of Richarlison, who I believe had more influence on his signing than our Director of Football. Since we have had two successive Directors of Football, the quality of buys overall has been very poor.

Also unlike at Arsenal, Manchester City or Istanbul teams, we don't seem to be able to sell crocks, squad players or someone recently acquainted with a football for large amounts of money. Whoever does the buying and selling at Everton makes Derek Trotter look like and astute businessman.

Neil Cremin
124 Posted 15/06/2020 at 08:51:28
Probably raise a few shackles here but I do remember something about Roy Keane as Irish Assistant Manager questioning the whole Everton Fitness and Conditioning regime. He said something like we used to wait, at the team hotel, in trepidation for the Everton contingent to see how crocked they were.

We always seem to have many players constantly out on long-term injuries.

Alan McGuffog
125 Posted 15/06/2020 at 08:56:26
I am certain that there will be a number of Liverpool players who are carrying knocks. Will they report sick, in the morning? Of course not as everyone of them wants to be in their line-up when they clinch the league.

Compare and contrast. We are a club with little ambition to be successful. Happy to make up the numbers. Happy to bask in successes from the distant past. So, one of our superstars feels a twinge. Please, Mr Ancelotti, I've got a note from me mum. Can't do games! "We ain't gonna win anything so why bother?" seems to be the attitude.

In the early years of the Nazi invasion of the USSR, thousands of Soviets were shot by their political commissars for defeatism, desertion, skiving etc. After the Germans were put on the run after Stalingrad, these executions were minimal in number. Why?

People want to be part of a winning side seeking glory. If and when we rekindle that sort of outlook and morale at Everton, there will be tumbleweed blowing through the treatment room.

Craig Walker
126 Posted 15/06/2020 at 09:13:05
I remember everyone saying how we'd signed a winner in Delph. The video clip of him in the Man City dressing room was circulated as evidence plus the footage of him berating Everton players when Bournemouth scored against us early in the season.

He looked good in his first few games. Unfortunately, he is yet another player who has used Everton as a basis for earning money. Nowhere near good enough for us, I'm afraid.

Joe McMahon
127 Posted 15/06/2020 at 09:20:02
I agree, Alan, but somehow Leicester changed the attitude, culture and mindset and Wolves are also doing a sterling effort. We have been little old Everton in the quiant Victorian stadium for decades. We seriously don't need any more history lessons about Dixie Dean or Alan Ball.

We want to look to the future, not the past, as it gets more embarrassing as time goes on. Our neighbours won the Champions League last season and the Premier League this season, I've had enough of the jokes and pity.

Tony Everan
128 Posted 15/06/2020 at 09:56:44
On the subject of fitness, the restart concerns me.

We perennially have a slow start to the season. Other clubs always seem more advanced physically and more prepared. We are admittedly relatively safe, but I don't want us to start slowly and get into a downward spiral. Often it is hard to reverse.

The likes of a Watford, Norwich etc will be fully tuned up to try to perform a rescue act. Those clubs know what is at stake. There will be one mid-table club who will become the fall guy. With the professional standards our club deserves, this should not be us.

There is no reason whatsoever we should ever be less prepared, less fit or more injury-prone than any adversary. Overall, that is a matter of science and logistics only. All teams over time suffer bad luck, it shouldn't be a crutch for excuses.

Proper controlled methods and discipline can ensure that we are never intentionally second-best regarding this.

The fitness and injury issues may be systemic failures at the club. It is getting to the stage where some sort of internal inquiry is needed to address these issues and improve the situation. No stone can be left unturned if we want to progress and become serious about challenging the top 6.

Kevin Molloy
129 Posted 15/06/2020 at 10:14:05
When you think of the money we've wasted in the last few years... Setting aside whether or not you like the playing style, but in the transfer market, David Moyes was absolutely outstanding. Even when he bought the odd stinker (James Beattie, for example), he was usually able to offload them for nearly what he paid. No wonder Bill loved him.
Derek Thomas
130 Posted 15/06/2020 at 10:20:48
Joe, Tony @ 127 &128; The only true discipline is self-discipline... which rules our lot out.

Our lack of fitness is not new. Osman nailed it with his – Moyes's easy wind-down session was harder than Martinez's hard session... and it doesn't seem to have gotten any better.

Martinez also had a root-and-branch clear out of fitness and physio staff, then we became hamstring central.

It's not just football and Everton though, even the normally super fit AFL players are, after the enforced break, blowing out midway through the 3rd quarter.

I watched some NRL and they've been keeping the camera angle tight on the pitch and after a bit you don't even notice the lack of actual people and the fake crowd noise.

You can lead a player to the sandhills, you can even make him run up it, but you can't make them put in more than the basic effort required to get to the top.

The only true discipline is self-discipline.

Nev Renshaw
131 Posted 15/06/2020 at 12:27:29
Bloody hell. Haven't even re-started the season yet and we're already down a few crocks.
Conor McCourt
132 Posted 15/06/2020 at 14:29:34
This has obviously been one of the worst injury ravaged periods we are witnessing in years yet the reaction on ToffeeWeb has quite frankly astonished me.

This spate of players going down one after the other has led to us all seemingly scratching our heads. When it was Gbamin, Gomes and Mina pulling up, Brands came in for some overdue criticism. Then, the likes of Schneiderlin and Walcott led others to have a pop at Walsh.

Some have directed their anger at the sicknotes personally as many are the treatment table usual suspects, while others believe there is a dreaded Finch Farm curse.

Many have blamed our fitness department because injuries aren't a new phenomena at Everton while some have even blamed the fallout from the Coronavirus for the walking wounded.

Now we have Roberto Martinez getting a mention and players' lack of self-discipline as offerings. I'm actually feeling sorry for Blue Bill that he barely got an airing.

Prior to Carlo's appointment, I spoke about the fitness issues at both Napoli and Bayern with players like Lewandowski openly critical when a similar injury spiral began in the second preseason and continued for a number of months even after Ancelotti exited. Many excited Evertonians dismissed these claims.

Now, when the previous manager's fitness work has been made redundant due to the enforced break, suddenly, we have an injury epidemic on our hands.

The most surprising element to me is not that Evertonians are remiss to point the finger at Carlo but that the only acknowledgement which has seemingly universal concurrence is that 'this doesn't happen under Klopp's watch'.

In essence, by that remark alone, it figures that, when the trainer of a football team picks up an unusually significant amount of injuries during his training regime, then this is undoubtedly where the problem lies... or, in Klopp's case, not so.

I don't think we need to call Columbo for this one.

Hywel Owen
133 Posted 15/06/2020 at 14:54:16
Some players are periennally injured and give the impression that they want the huge pay packets but cannot be bothered to play. In some cases, that is also obvious when they are on the pitch. Note I refrain from using the term "playing"...

Change the club policy and do not sign anyone over the age of 25 unless they have in impeccable injury-free record. Also write into their contracts that, if unavailable for petty ailments, they are limited to 20% of their normal wages.

Additionally, if they cannot play at least 75% of the season's fixtures, the club reserves the right to terminate their contract.

Seems harsh but something must be done to sort out the shysters that we have at the club.

Raymond Fox
134 Posted 15/06/2020 at 15:14:27
No two players are alike, one training regime won't suit them all. You need individual programmes, a lightly built guy probably won't need half the exercise that the heavier player needs to be fit.

Then how they behave when they are away from the club obviously affects what condition they are in.

How we train our players, I haven't a clue, but there should be enough knowledge within the club to make a fist of it.

Jay Wood

135 Posted 15/06/2020 at 15:40:17
Without calling Columbo, that reads as total bosh, Connor.
Scott Hall
136 Posted 15/06/2020 at 16:22:10
Delph is injured. The Pope is catholic. Souness is a sour bellend. Kopites are gobshites.

Some things are facts for life.

Mike Gaynes
137 Posted 15/06/2020 at 16:35:13
I would just point out that not all these injuries have to do with conditioning or lack thereof. The muscle strains certainly do, but neither a torn meniscus or ACL (Schneiderlin, Tosun) nor a torn Achilles (Gbamin) are at all related to what kind of shape you're in.

And we don't even know if Walcott is injured -- all we know is he had abdominal surgery. Could have been for an appendix or a hernia. So I think the sweeping conclusions are unwarranted at this point.

Conor McCourt
138 Posted 15/06/2020 at 16:50:48
Jay, just one more thing: if it wasn't Carlo responsibile for training at Finch Farm, I would just like to confirm your whereabouts on those days. Can Mrs Woods corroborate your story?

Btw, I'm not one for spreading gossip but I'm beginning to think Mrs Columbo doesn't exist!!

Mike, if they were the only three injuries, you may indeed be onto something.

Paul Jones
139 Posted 15/06/2020 at 17:53:42
When you pay a nominal fee for a good player who has had a career blighted by injury (eg, Andy Gray or Peter Reid) that is a reasonable gamble. My recollection is that Andy Gray gave the whole club and fans an instant lift in confidence. Peter Reid was not an instant hit on the pitch and regular but, once he had shown his worth, was irreplaceable.

In recent times, we have bought players for significant amounts of money that did not have the talent to justify the expensive risk taking. Some had already proven themselves to be expensive mistakes at other clubs and we rescued them from their failings (Schneiderlin) or repeated the same failure of judgment by another club (Sigurdsson).

Although the latter does strike the occasional good dead ball but, on that basis, Kevin Sheedy would still get a game given he would probably have the greater success rate. Given we have Digne and Baines still then we have dead set pieces covered.

Jay Harris
140 Posted 15/06/2020 at 18:02:46
Conor, your post beggars belief.

Carlo has been here a short time, prior to which, Delph and Mina have hardly been off the treatment table, Coleman and Gbamin were out injured for a while and Gomes almost had a career-ending tackle.

Consistent injuries usually suggest the player doesn't train properly or has an inherent weakness.

John McFarlane Snr
141 Posted 15/06/2020 at 19:28:52
Hi Peter [115],

I share your admiration of Gareth Barry, but I'm afraid to say that there were a fair number of fans in close proximity to me in the Park End, who vilified him for his lack of pace, and couldn't recognise his contribution to the cause. I've no doubt that one or two who are singing is praises now were sceptical in those times, I think that the phrase "You don't know what you've got until it's gone" springs to mind.

Hi Raymond [121],

I have expressed the opinion that some players are over-trained, on this site once or twice. I base my view on the number of hamstring injuries that occur, many in the pre-match warm-up. I have no medical knowledge to justify my opinion, but having watched Everton since 1948, I can say with a degree of certainty that hamstring injuries were few and far between.

Steve Carse
142 Posted 15/06/2020 at 19:48:34
Very true about injuries in the distant past (John 141). Cruciates, hamstrings etc were not in the footballing vocabulary. The only injury ever reported that kept a player out of a game (broken leg apart) was the pulled muscle. Now, whatever happened to that?
Kevin Molloy
143 Posted 15/06/2020 at 20:04:33
On the subject of Gareth Barry, I think Martinez can be forgiven his cock-ups just for bringing that guy in. I don't think I've enjoyed watching any other player as much as Barry in the last 20 years. Just his positional sense, and timing, and nous... what a joy.
Joe McMahon
144 Posted 15/06/2020 at 20:17:15
Kevin @143, I fully agree. I don't like comparing to the past, but the signing of Gareth with the quality he brought reminds me of seeing such quality and experience as Paul Power, Peter Beardsley and Nigel Martyn. Class all 4 of them.
Kevin Molloy
145 Posted 15/06/2020 at 20:26:15

Those two massive bellends, Gerrard and Carragher, pat themselves on the back to this day for spiking Benitez's attempt to bring in Barry and pair him with Gerrard.

I think they would have dovetailed perfectly, he's everything that Gerrard wasn't, calm positionally brilliant, unflappable. Thank god that didn't happen.

Clive Rogers
146 Posted 16/06/2020 at 09:43:21
It's all the usual suspects. The injury list is also a list of the players who can't be relied on. They all make regular appearances on the list and should be moved on. It may not be their fault but the club needs reliable players.
Franny Porter
147 Posted 16/06/2020 at 12:12:12
Everton Crocked Eleven:

Richard fall out the loft Wright.

Darron just the nineteen pints please Gibson.

James Vaughan, desperately unlucky with injuries caused mainly by his all action style.

Danny the ghost Williamson.

Fabian balsa wood Delph.

Duncan Ferguson, tragic the amount of injuries he had.

Morgan always out of the big games Schneiderlein.

Louis Saha, great on his day but a know crock when he signed him.

Joe Parkinson, I think we contributed to his injuries with steroid injections, another massive shame.

Theo Walcott. Another one who finds the phsyios table so alluring.

Bryan Oviedo. At one point looked a potential replacement for Baines, never recovered from his tragic injury.

(Other notables, Yerry Mina, Arouna Kone, Rodrigo (remember him?), Gazza.

Dave Abrahams
148 Posted 16/06/2020 at 12:38:52
David Smallman was very, very unlucky with injuries and even illnesses, phlebitis, he looked a lad with great potential when he was signed from Wrexham, he had a good football brain and the ability to get in positions to score goals, he had the ability but, unfortunately not the luck.

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