Kenny gets back underway first

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Dortmund 4 - 0 Schalke


Jonjoe Kenny became the first Everton player to resume action following the coronavirus shutdown when the German Bundesliga restarted this weekend.

The full-back is on loan with Schalke 04 for the season where he has enjoyed a good campaign and he got back on the pitch before his Toffees team-mates when "Die Königsblauen" (the Royal Blues) were beaten heavily by Borussia Dortmund this afternoon.

As would be the case with the English Premier League, the game took place behind closed doors, with supporters forced to watch from home because of safety protocols barring large gatherings.

While the United Kingdom now has the highest number of officially recorded deaths from Covid-19 (the illness caused by the SARS variant virus that has spread across the globe this year) in Europe at almost 34,000, Germany has been able to keep their toll under 8,000 and with the number of active cases on the significant decline, Chancellor Angela Merkel has begun easing restrictions in her country.

That is unlikely to extend to allowing fans back into stadiums for many months, however, and the Continent will be watching the Bundesliga with interest this weekend as play resumes in unfamiliar circumstances and the players understandably short on full match fitness.

Many Evertonians have adopted Schalke as their German team for the restart because of their similar colours and the Kenny connection and they had moved themselves into contention for Europa League qualification before the Bundesliga was suspended in March.

Managed by former Huddersfield Town boss, David Wagner, they begin play this weekend sitting in sixth place, a point ahead of Wolfsburg but 10 adrift of Bayer Leverkusen in fifth.

Schalke began brightly but eventually fell behind to an opener from — who else? — Erling Braut Håland who guided a cross from the right past the stranded goalkeeper.

Schubert in the Schalke goal was the architect of his own downfall just before half-time, though, when he scuffed a clearance, BVB pounced and Raphael Guerreiro fired inside the far post.

And the home side took commanding control of the game early in the second half when Thorgen Hazard smashed home from just inside the penalty area before Guerreiro doubled his tally with another well-taken goal, Dortmund's fourth with as many shots on target.  

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Danny ONeill
1 Posted 15/05/2020 at 17:18:21
Similar colours, the Kenny connection but similar culture, mindset and a dislike of their more recently prominent rivals, Dortmund who sing You'll Never Walk Alone and retain an affiliation & affection to their former manager Jurgen Klopp. Come on "Null Vier"!!
Mike Gaynes
2 Posted 15/05/2020 at 17:52:42
Fox Sports 1 in the US.

See y'all on the Forum!

Brent Stephens
3 Posted 15/05/2020 at 18:09:40
Mike, can we all come round to yours to watch on your telly? I'll bring my own beer and mask.
Mike Gaynes
4 Posted 15/05/2020 at 19:47:01
Sure, Brent, I'll set you up on the ocean deck with the beer and a big umbrella, and you can watch the big screen TV through the living room window.
Brian Wilkinson
5 Posted 15/05/2020 at 22:27:06
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Andy McNabb
6 Posted 15/05/2020 at 23:54:06
So on the BBC article advising which team you should support and under the 'if they were a British team' section it says they are the Everton of the league.

Play in blue / Kenny plays for them / They are rivals to Klopp's Dortmund.


Jamie Crowley
7 Posted 16/05/2020 at 00:08:20
Das good, no?
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 16/05/2020 at 02:26:25
Derek Knox
9 Posted 16/05/2020 at 08:50:41
Hello everyone, haven't looked in for a while, but seeing that this German Bundesliga game is on behind closed doors, and featuring 'one of ours' in Jonjoe Kenny, I will watch it though reluctantly, hopefully on Android Box.

I say reluctantly because I think it's a farce playing behind closed doors, with cardboard cut-outs for supporters, and probably canned crowd sound effects. Furthermore, it will only encourage these over here to press ahead with similar for the Premier League.

Yes, we all want Football, and yes, we have missed it, but I think the events of the past few months have put things in perspective, and exposed a lot of the greed that most of us knew was there, but chose to shut a blind eye to.

I am still very disappointed that most players who have barely trained for the last few months, have still picked up astronomical wages, when so many others have been struggling and unfortunately dying.

Danny ONeill
10 Posted 16/05/2020 at 08:58:06
As I said on a previous article, Andy, I've followed Schalke for many years and travel out once a season. It's not just that; they are a community club that take the name of the district in the northern part of the city from which they originate; a gritty place that has had to reinvent itself due to the decline of its main industry since the latter part of the 20th century.

They are a huge club in German football with massive support who have been overshadowed in recent decades by their more glamorous local rivals, Dortmund. Their support is more local and regional, spreading to other areas of the nation but without the global reach of the more prominent names in German football. I am biassed, but the similarities are uncanny and bonding for me!!

Billy Roberts
11 Posted 16/05/2020 at 10:56:19
Yes, what's not love about Schalke 04? I will be keeping an eye on the score for the boys in Royal Blue and keeping an eye on the live forum!! That is a live event in itself usually: the vitriol, the swearing and insults, the friggin fish jokes, I love the "He's fuckin shite... erm, what a goal" moments!

Must remember its Schalke, not Shalke.

Martin Berry
12 Posted 16/05/2020 at 11:31:29
Full of admiration for Jonjoe Kenny taking this leap into unknown territory like several other UK-born players now doing well in Germany. It will be interesting to watch him in action, good luck to the lad.
Brent Stephens
13 Posted 16/05/2020 at 14:24:16
Paul Birmingham
14 Posted 16/05/2020 at 14:29:36
Good luck to FC Schalke 04 and Jonjoe Kenny today.

For me in this country there's too much at stake in terms of health and safety, to consider playing football, but there's motives for the focus and effort they are doing and for me it isn't warranted.

I fear after this weekend combined with last weekend the UK will see a new spike in Covid-19, I hope I'm wrong.

As it stands, if if the Premier League does restart over here, I wont be watching.

Strange days, but all stay safe and well, and top up the Vitamin D today.☘️🤟🏼🙏🏼🍀🍀🍺☘️👍🍀🍀🍀

Alan J Thompson
15 Posted 16/05/2020 at 15:47:21
Missed a chance there, Lyndon – Schubert's unfinished clearance.
Derek Taylor
16 Posted 16/05/2020 at 18:43:43
I thought Jonjoe Kenny put in a decent shift but although a better prospect than either Sidibé and Martina, I'm betting he will follow them both out of the door. Growing up as an Everton 'colt' makes that a certainty! You are only any good if you are foreign and cost £millions!
Eric Paul
17 Posted 16/05/2020 at 18:55:14
Jonjoe Kenny hadn't touched the ball by the time I'd seen enough of behind-closed-doors football. Why were the subs sitting 2 meters apart with face masks on???
John Keating
18 Posted 16/05/2020 at 19:03:26
I thought I'd have a look to see what we might expect. Lasted about 10 minutes. Only my opinion but absolutely dire. To be honest, a joke without a crowd.

I read the match report to see if Jonjoe Kenny was mentioned and read they kept social distances at scoring a goal – not during the match. Joke.

Then Dortmund celebrated their win in their usual fashion. Keeping social distancing into an empty stand. Joke.

Sorry, lads, if this is the way it's going to be, best watching the grass grow.

Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 16/05/2020 at 19:14:42
To each his own, John. I enjoyed the game thoroughly.

Jonjoe Kenny was not much of a factor, playing out of position at right-mid.

Tony Hill
20 Posted 16/05/2020 at 19:28:15
It's obviously strange but, against my expectation, I also enjoyed it. I didn't see any lack of competitiveness and some of Dortmund's play against an admittedly poor Schalke was very sharp – the first goal was excellent.

If Everton were to beat the RS under these conditions, I would not think that it didn't count or that it was some sort of charade.

Eric Paul
21 Posted 16/05/2020 at 19:37:44
I won't be watching any football until I can take my seat in the top balcony. If anyone's interested I can recommend a couple of books, pirates punks and politics by Nick Davidson and the nowhere men by Michael Calvin.
Sam Hoare
22 Posted 16/05/2020 at 19:55:07
Apparently Everton have made clear which U23s players are being released. Feeney being the most notable name on the list along with Foulds, Denny, Mampala and a few others.

Think it's good. The academy needs to be a bit more ruthless and a bit less sentimental to push forwards I think.

Jack Convery
23 Posted 16/05/2020 at 20:02:53
No atmosphere. Totally alien. File under X.
John Keating
24 Posted 16/05/2020 at 20:03:15
How many games have we watched over the years the results of which have really be affected by the crowd?
Think of Bayern at home, Wimbledon, just 2
Relegation matches are going to be the main victims of this no crowd nonsense. I pity the supporters of these clubs.
Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 16/05/2020 at 21:10:23
John (24), if the season is completed, all the remaining games played, I fear for Everton, we can't compete without a crowd, they even find it hard away from home with our incredible fans behind them,they will find it hard to get the two or three wins we need to keep us out of trouble.
Peter Gorman
26 Posted 16/05/2020 at 21:37:09
Sam - is Feeney really gone? well that's a disappointment but his injury scuppered a loan move I think and I guess he's paying the price for lost development time. Ruthless indeed. But Gibson presumably remains.

Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 16/05/2020 at 22:03:45
Sam, I remember how excited Martinez was about signing Foulds four years ago, but so many promising teenagers never develop. I read back in November that Rhino was suggesting he move on, preferably to a lower league club.
Sam Hoare
28 Posted 16/05/2020 at 22:28:52
Peter- yes. Gibson will hopefully get more time on loan. Branthwaite will be U23s CB next year, possibly with Astley who also plays RB sometimes. I'm sure Feeney will go on to become a very decent defender in championship or a lower pl team one day. Good natural defender from what I've seen.

Mike- yes, we bought him from Bury I think with high hopes. Another one bites the dust.

Harry Williams
29 Posted 16/05/2020 at 23:11:20
I never watched match today, how was JJK? Is he our RB for next season? For me he's not!!
Also saw Feeney got released, wasn't long ago I heard Unsworth was calling him the new Dave Watson, or was it Benny Baningime, new Kante!!??
Everton need a new RB and a U23s coach that can develop players if you ask me...
John Raftery
30 Posted 16/05/2020 at 23:47:12
From what I could see I thought Kenny had a tidy game in a team which showed very little conviction going forward and was generally outclassed in all departments. He did not allow his head to go down; he kept plugging away despite the lack of any focal point in front of him. There might have been a question about his positioning for the final goal but overall he did not do much wrong playing in a wing back role.

Dortmund recorded the only home win in today's six fixtures in the Bundesliga. Given the fuss from some of our clubs it will be interesting to see how much advantage there is to be gained from playing at home in front of empty seats. Very little, I suspect.

John Keating
31 Posted 17/05/2020 at 00:09:27
Just watched Match of the Day.
City winning the league in injury time, also the 2005 relegation battle last day
The atmosphere at all those games was unbelievable.
How can the Premier League finish this season off with no supporters and call that "integrity"
Steve Ferns
32 Posted 17/05/2020 at 00:40:30
I thought the Germany experiment was an utter disaster. Suspend all football until the fans can go. Play exhibition games in empty stadiums if you must, or even create a cup competition. But no points should be at stake in such games. It's not football and it's not worth watching.
Paul Birmingham
33 Posted 17/05/2020 at 01:33:01
Steve, zackly, 100%.

And hopefully this rabble will tell the UK government and Premier League to make this season null and void.

Paul Birmingham
34 Posted 17/05/2020 at 01:35:55
NB, please note that, in context of my words, the rabble is the UK government and Uefa.

Thank you,

Kase Chow
35 Posted 17/05/2020 at 01:38:05
Depends what you like football for!

I'm a purist so enjoyed watching some high class and quality football again.

But I accept and respect that the atmosphere, the build-up and the pint etc are all major parts of the game and ‘event'.

I enjoyed it a lot.

John Pierce
36 Posted 17/05/2020 at 02:06:09
Sam 22. I have to agree with that opinion that our academy has to be more ruthless, I'd say professional. I'm hoping Brands finally gets his hands on it and nudges out Unsworth.

The argument will go on forever about how long you give a youngster to bloom. For me if you are not knocking on the first team door by 20 then there's a fair chance you won't be top drawer, however harsh that sounds.

I know you will miss out on some good players, but the academy is very much a ‘Player farm' and frankly a bit of a numbers game. It should be used to find a stand out and make good players better that we make a profit on.

Phil Smith
37 Posted 17/05/2020 at 07:22:42
Good run out for Jonjoe Kenny. Ex-players to get a mention also:

45 minutes for Lookman and I see Evans made his Bundesliga debut today for Paderborn! Well in, lad. Always rated him from our U23s. Hopefully they stay up and he pushes on for next season.

Charlie Dixon
38 Posted 17/05/2020 at 08:36:31
Interesting to see what people thought of the experience. I actually quite enjoyed it. Clearly lacks the atmosphere but quite enjoyed hearing the players and coaches talking.

Will do for now!

Jim Jennings
39 Posted 17/05/2020 at 09:03:00
Mike #19

I can't agree with you there. Jonjoe Kenny played wing-back in 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 or 5-4-1 depending on your viewpoint.

The wing-back role is where he has played quite a bit for them. He wasn't really involved and if I'm honest, Rafa Guerreiro left him for dead for the second goal. Kenny didn't react on halfway, then stopped and tried to hand him off to the centre-half.

Schalke are a poor side and their sixth-place (before KO yesterday) is as much to do with others brings inconsistent as it is them having improved from last year.

Michael O'Malley
40 Posted 17/05/2020 at 09:25:58
What a centre-forward that Haaland is, a very clinical finisher, he looks a real handful.

Icouldn't get into the match without the crowd; it was strange hearing echoes in the stands and no celebrating in what is a derby match. It's a No for me with no fans.

Ian Bennett
41 Posted 17/05/2020 at 09:46:05
I also watched the Schalke match.

Schalke were toothless upfront, had a very poor keeper and deservedly good stuffed. It was like watching Everton. Kenny, for what it's wort,h was their better player, but it was pretty slim pickings.

The game was clearly different with no atmosphere. Schalke folded quiet cheaply in my opinion. Time will tell if this is the norm of behind-closed-doors games. To me, the game highlighted that the bigger sides can get on the ball and dictate the play, with the weaker side having little fight or spirit. Derby tackles were in short supply for sure. I don't know if it was the occasion or that refs can pick it up in a stale atmosphere, but it was tepid on the physical stakes.

For your coupons on the Premer League, I would be getting on the big sides to win by more than 2.5 goals against the fodder. Behind closed doors favours the big 6 in my opinion, with their more technical players.

Andy Crooks
42 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:01:29
I think this demonstrated that supporters have a good deal of power and influence. Without fans at matches, the game is dead. In the Premier League gate receipts don't amount to that much but the broadcasters aren't going to pay fortunes for what was on offer yesterday.
Tony Shelby
43 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:10:27
I flicked between the Dortmund and Liepzig games yesterday but just couldn't get into either of them.

The lack of atmosphere meant that it was like watching pre-season friendlies. Possibly worse.

The Premier League can't restart in this format. There would be only one beneficiary and it's them twats from across the park!

Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:11:19
Been saying it for years, Andy, but it's Sunday morning and I'm listening to Alanis Morissette, singing “Isn't it ironic!”

We don't want much, just cheaper prices and our game back!

Dave Abrahams
45 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:15:10
Andy (42), I never saw the game but can imagine the non-atmosphere making it a farce of a top class game.

It now needs the government to act and for “Shake Hands” Johnson to call the whole sham game of football off, mostly to keep the virus from spreading, which it will if football under this guise continues, and that's before the crowds turn up in their numbers outside the grounds the longer these games go on.

Chris Williams
46 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:37:59

One thing that occurs to me about this is that different parts of the country are currently affected worse than others with this horror. Namely the Northeast and Northwest where local authorities have already distanced themselves from opening schools, for example. London started early and now seems over the worst, but no guarantees at all.

This maybe something that needs factoring in?

Paul Birmingham
47 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:47:51
I'm no business or marketing expert but it would be interesting to see how playing these games I'm empty stadiums aides any marketing strategy.

I'll not be watching any games if they do get the go ahead to be played in empty stadiums in the Premier League.

I sense that the empty stadium, soulless, lifeless and meaningless plan, could backfire.

Interesting if TW did a vote on this aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic.

George McKane
48 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:51:39
Good morning Blues - should have been getting ready for the final day in The Dark House... have a look:


Jerome Shields
49 Posted 17/05/2020 at 12:59:21
Wasn't able to watch on Saturday, but Kenny seems to have put in a reasonable performance.

The comments on football social distancing on the forum are interesting. There is speculation in the press today that Schalke would like to buy Kenny. I hope we are not going to see a familiar saga unfold. I also read that Feeney, Captain of the Under-23s, is to be let go and the Dutch lad Markelo is to kept on and then loaned out.

I really feel there is a lack of effectiveness at the Academy in converting promise into challenging first-team squad members.

Ian Bennett
50 Posted 17/05/2020 at 14:13:07
Based on what I saw on Kenny, if you got a good bid of ٦m plus,you'd move him on.

He will have a decent career, but he's not top 6 to me – and if he's not at that level, he needs moving on. Harsh, but that's what we need to do.

Derek Knox
51 Posted 17/05/2020 at 15:34:07
Hello to all on TW, I started to watch the game (reluctantly I must hasten to add) not expecting there to be much enjoyment with an empty Stadium. It got even worse when Dortmund scored, and the match, if you could call it that, was only going in one direction.

I must admit one of my main inspirations was to see how Jonjoe fared, and as some have suggested I don't think he is the answer to our right-back conundrum.

The best part for me was the Live Forum and seeing all the Usual Suspects and having a bit of a banter, and of course the cat puns... pussy in the, well it does make a difference from the usual fish puns... but I won't carp on about that.

Apologies for my second half disappearance, as someone came round, at a social distance of course, so I couldn't very well ignore them and say I was watching Bundesliga Fussbol!

I just hope that the FA, Sky etc, over here don't think it was a success and implement similar, but money screams doesn't it, and dictates anything but common sense and of course, ignores the fans.

Kevin O'Regan
52 Posted 17/05/2020 at 16:46:11
Jonjoe Kenny was very average in a poor team and, to be honest, he hasn't had a fantastic season. He seems to want to score again and keeps moving forward and getting caught out of position. If we just want to make up the numbers, then he might find a place at EFC, but if we are ambitious we need a new quality right-back.

Lookman got a look in yesterday after a long wait on the sidelines and scuppered his chances of getting another chance this year after missing a sitter. Leipzig have an abundance of talent going forward and Ademola is wasting away over there. I could see him moving on in the summer.

Danny ONeill
53 Posted 17/05/2020 at 17:00:38
Agree Kevin. Having watched Schalke v Leipzig at the Veltins Arena in February, Lookman will struggle to get into that team given the riches they have going forward. Still a good learning experience for him though, even training in that type of environment with that level of player.

I said at the time, that night, I was hugely impressed with Leipzig, and, in particular their number 7, the Austrian, Marcel Sabitzer. One to look out for and I wish we could convince him.

Martin Reppion
54 Posted 17/05/2020 at 17:12:53
My 18-year-old footy-mad son, who seems to rate the German league, watched the whole game and enjoyed it.

I had decided after 6 minutes that I'd rather get dinner ready. Frankly, I cannot envisage much better fare if the EPL gets the go-ahead. But, as many have said here before, taking resources (such as testing kits and other medical supplies) from those who really need it so that the football clubs can keep their TV millions is immoral.

I'll be back in the mood when stadiums can safely fill with fans and it actually means something.

Derek Knox
55 Posted 17/05/2020 at 17:22:00
Martin, what did you do for dinner? Kartoffeln, Bratwurst und Sauerkraut ? :-)
David Thomas
56 Posted 17/05/2020 at 17:38:26
Kenny will have a good career for a Championship or lower-half Premier League team as he seems to be an honest professional who will always put in 100%. However, he will not be a top 6 player.

This is not a young kid in football terms; he will be 24 at the end of next season. If we have any chance of moving forward as a club we need to start bringing a higher calibre of player to the club which I hope is going to happen over the next year or so; otherwise, Ancelotti won't be sticking around for long.

If we had managed to bring in a Zaha last season and someone such as Grealish this season, then these signings would make a real statement.

Mike Gaynes
58 Posted 17/05/2020 at 17:59:04
David #56, the only statement we would have made by signing Zaha would have been "being stupid with our money again." Before the stoppage, he was having a crap season at Palace, and certainly caused us no problems in either of the games against us.

Can you imagine the rage here on TW if we'd paid up that monster price tag and gotten 3 goals in 30 from our investment? We were very fortunate that Palace pulled the plug on the deal at the last minute.

Agreed on Kenny.

Paul Tran
59 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:12:57
I'm not really bothered about a 'statement' signing, but it would be great if we signed someone who we know has a defined role and would make that place in the team his own. Far too many 'good on his day' players at the moment.
Eric Paul
60 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:14:59
“A Zaha”
Kevin Prytherch
61 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:19:32
Jonjoe Kenny is Championship standard at best. I don't know why we put up with such mediocrity for so long. If they've not broken into the team by the time they're 19, then there's no point persisting with them. Look at Barkley, not a regular until he's 20 or 21, now he can barely get into Chelsea's team.

Calvert-Lewin and Holgate are finally putting in a half-decent game every now and again, absolutely pointless. We should have got rid of both last season when we could have got ١-٢million each for them. Now they'll be stuck on long contracts for eternity.

They will join the likes of Hibbert and Osman as lifers – honestly, what did those two ever do for the club? They might have played a couple of games here and there, but all they did was get in the way of some quality signings we could have made.

Personally, I lay this at the feet of Kenwright. We've not produced a single player of note since he took over – and we never will while he's at the club. Employing his luvvies like Ferguson, Unsworth and Sheedy is doing nothing but holding us back. Our scouting is shit – when have we ever picked up a decent youngster?

The whole club needs an overhaul from top to bottom... and don't even get me started on Bramley-Moore Dock – I'll believe that when I see a spade in the ground.

Typical Everton.

David Thomas
62 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:29:04

I was gutted Zaha did not sign last summer and I still am (especially considering we ended up wasting a chunk of the money on a bang average Iwobi).

Zaha wasn't having the best season but I would still love him in an Everton shirt.

Danny ONeill
63 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:43:58
What about Rooney, Kevin? Although I get your broader point: we don't produce as much quality as we should.

Back on thread, the Schalke Academy is outstanding and goes massively underrated when you look at the players they have produced.

I'd also leave Sheedy out of that trio. Widely respected coach by all accounts. And what a player with that magic wand of a left foot.

Eric Paul
64 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:47:34
I'd like to know where these 19-year-old superstars are...???
Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:51:59
David, if we'd spent 㿼 million on Zaha and he had played like that for us, TW would be gone... the site would have simply melted down under the radioactive comments. Point granted on Iwobi, but he cost less than a third of Zaha's price tag.

Paul Tran #59, agreed, but "good on his day" is better than "ain't worth a shit", and we still have a few of those to eject.

Robert Tressell
66 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:57:52
I know I go on about transfers but, if the club said it was going to focus investment into the academy, I'd be delighted.

I agree with those who think we don't produce enough quality (although I do think we're better than most). I don't really get some of the animosity towards Unsworth but I do think the role of the academy and route to the first team needs some careful thought.

Finally, I agree with Kevin that you lay almost all of this at Kenwright's (stage) door. I was once told he convinced Owen, Fowler, McManaman and Carragher they should turn their back on Everton because he wanted to focus on star signings like Moutinho and Riquelme.

David Thomas
67 Posted 17/05/2020 at 19:10:18

All 4 of those players had played for Liverpool first team and were England internationals before Kenwright took over so whoever told you that was talking nonsense.


I personally would still love us to sign Zaha he is the type of player I pay my season ticket money and travel to every away game to watch. Yes, he didn't have a good season last season and I think that ship has sailed regarding signing him, but that is the calibre of player we should be going after.

Robert Tressell
68 Posted 17/05/2020 at 19:46:24
David – I was being silly. I think Kevin is too, but he's more subtle than I am.
Dave Abrahams
69 Posted 17/05/2020 at 20:55:46
Kevin (61), stop it – people will think you are being serious!!
Jeff Armstrong
70 Posted 17/05/2020 at 21:37:03
Martin @54, the game kicked off at about 2:30 pm, that's a bit late to start cooking your dinner, isn't it?
Karen Mason
71 Posted 17/05/2020 at 22:03:48
Dave at #45.

"Shake Hands"Johnson. Made me LOL!!

David - Sign Zaha?? A move forward?? He's a MotD highlights player. Looks great in the 5-minute clips on MotD. What about the other 85 mins?

David Thomas
72 Posted 17/05/2020 at 23:04:32

Zaha would be a massive improvement for us. Far better player than Walcott, Iwobi, Bernard etc etc. He would have been a massive upgrade.

However, I think that ship has well and truly sailed unfortunately.

Kevin 61,

If the likes of Kenny and Davies are going to give us the quality that Hibbert and Osman gave us then get rid now.

Kevin Prytherch
73 Posted 18/05/2020 at 18:12:14
Yes David, imagine if they both played for a team that constantly competed with the top teams in the league, finished in the top 5 a couple of times, played over 200 games each and cost us nothing in the process.

We should spend big instead. Let's get the next Dutch superstar (wait - I think we did that), or spend £45 million on an assist king from midfield (hang on, done that as well), maybe spend £30million on a french box to box midfielder (wait a minute...), or £27 million on a lightning fast African winger (darn it), or £30 million on an established premier league winger/striker (I think there's a pattern here), perhaps £25 million on a proven foreign striker who can score in the champions league (have we loaned one of them out?), £30 million on Italy's next big thing, over £75 million on some Barcelona reserves, £30 million on England's best (ahem) keeper, £25million on an English promising centre back or £13 million on the biggest African sensation to come out of Russia ever...

I agree, get shut now!!!

David Thomas
74 Posted 18/05/2020 at 18:16:12

I'm glad you agree.

If they are going to reach the levels of Hibbert and Osman then try and sell them now.

This club needs better quality or in a blink of an eye it will be 30 years since our last trophy.

I just hope Ancelotti is of a similar view.

Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 18/05/2020 at 19:29:10
David #72, we all of us watched Zaha play 180 minutes this season against Bernard, Iwobi, Walcott and the rest, and he didn't look like much of an upgrade. Certainly not an 㿼 million upgrade.

In retrospect, I think Palace's intransigence saved us from a very, very expensive mistake.

Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 18/05/2020 at 19:36:44
Kev #73, I think you have David well and truly hooked.
Robert Tressell
77 Posted 18/05/2020 at 19:38:27
Zaha (Premier League record about 1 goal in 6 and 1 assist in 5) is an upgrade on Bolasie (about 1 goal in 10 and 1 assist in 5) but worth nothing like the figures quoted. He's also 27 with no sell-on value.

Compared to the much cheaper alternatives of Malcom, Neres, Lozano he looks average, which is why Arsenal signed Pepe instead (looked hit and miss last season but may come good). The simple fact is he doesn't score enough to be priced so high.

He'd have become another Sigurdsson – good at what he does but not good enough to kick us on a level (like Richarlison, who was worth the money and has plenty of end product to go with the pace and tricks).

David Thomas
78 Posted 18/05/2020 at 22:10:55

If you don't think Zaha would be an upgrade then our views on football are obviously very different.

As a fan who travels up and down the country spending thousands of pounds a year watching Everton, the last thing I want is another set of Hibbert and Osman. If that's the level our youngsters are going to get to, then I want the club to sell them now.

This club has got to move forward and has got to stop buying crap players on big fees – Tosun, Bolasie, Iwobi, Mina etc etc – and stop persevering with players coming through the club system who just aren't good enough.

I for one am sick of waiting for the club to bring in the quality of player needed to get us competing again.

Whether they would come to Everton may be up for debate but the type of players we should be trying to bring to the club are Grealish, Zaha and the like – that's the only way this club will move forward.

If we start next season with the likes of Davies, Kenny, Iwobi, Mina, Keane and Walcott etc we are going to have another year of gloom.

Andy Crooks
79 Posted 18/05/2020 at 22:21:59
Robert @ 66, with you about Unsworth. Many of us lament the missing winner's mentality in the team. David Unsworth's under 23s have certainly not lacked that.
Phil Smith
80 Posted 19/05/2020 at 16:17:24
Kevin (61): What did Hibbo and Osman ever give to Everton?

Are you serious there? Just their whole careers! I think you forget where we were as a club at that point, la.

Karen Mason
81 Posted 19/05/2020 at 16:52:18
David at #72,

Not sure what you are watching while you travel all over the country to watch footy but, if you think Zaha, at any price, is a 'massive' upgrade. I am not saying that the 3 Everton players you named are the answer, but Zaha is certainly not the level of upgrade, if indeed he is, that I would like to sign for our Club. Personally, I have my sights set higher and not necessarily price wise.

I have watched Zaha at Goodison on a number of occasions and he has not troubled, what has been a somewhat unstable defence. Not that I am advocating signing him, but Andres Townsend is a more effective player than Zaha and is more the standout player consistently in the Crystal Palace team. Zaha would have been another expensive mistake in my view. Has hardly banged in goals consistently, or even assists, given the huge price tag, has he David? Pretty happy the 'ship sailed', as you put it.

I think we dodged a bullet when we didn't buy him, based on the general opinions expressed here. Especially well expressed by Kevin at #73, which I'm not sure you quite understood.

Robert Tressell
82 Posted 19/05/2020 at 17:18:36
Thanks, Andy @79.

Whilst I owned up to being silly about Kenwright, I really am supportive of what Unsworth has done with the Under-23s. That means getting players to understand their role in a team and showing a winning mentality.

It's not his fault the quality coming through is average. It's not his fault the club clogged up this age group with players who should have moved on.

But it is to his credit that limited players have won matches under his management – and he's certainly helped to get Calvert-Lewin, Kenny and maybe (I lose track) Davies and Holgate into first-team contention. Hopefully he can do the same for Gordon, Dobbin, Simms, Onyango and Branthwaite.

David Thomas
83 Posted 19/05/2020 at 17:42:31

I'm pretty confident that, if you asked every Premier League manager who they would take out of Townsend and Zaha, the majority would take Zaha. I'm also pretty confident if you asked Palace fans who they would least like to lose from their squad out of the two, it would be Zaha.

Who would you like us to realistically go after this summer then?

I fully understood Kevin's post 73, thanks. I'm in total agreement that we have wasted vast sums of money on bang average players that haven't made the grade but that doesn't mean – because they were free – that Kenny and Davies etc are players who are going to move us forward as a club, just like Hibbert and Osman were never players who were going to help us compete.

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