Talks with Gibson continue as suitors gather

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Everton's attempts to keep Lewis Gibson at the club are continuing with further negotiations with the young defender who is out of contract this summer.

Gibson, a £1m acquisition from Newcastle United's youth setup in a deal that could eventually be worth £6m, has been stalling on signing new terms with the Toffees as he has been seeking assurances over his first-team prospects.

The 19-year-old is now a first-choice starter for David Unsworth's Under-23s side, regularly trains with the first team and played for the senior side in the pre-season.

He has, however, found himself in that awkward limbo between the two setups, becoming too experienced for the Academy sides but still so raw that ex-Blues boss Marco Silva was hesitant to blood him during what turned out to be a turbulent first four months of the 2019-20 season.

Gibson has been linked with a return to his former club, Newcastle, but, according to the Liverpool Echo, he is also being tracked by AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord in the Netherlands as well as Celtic in Scotland.

If Everton aren't able to persuade him to stay, he could sign a pre-contract agreement with another club this month ahead of a move away from Finch Farm at the end of the season.  

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Alan J Thompson
1 Posted 07/01/2020 at 03:59:56
What is it with Everton that they leave this so late, another Dier or Mustafi, either he looks like he has it or someone can explain to a 19 year old that it is unlikely he will get first team football anywhere in the Premier League and it is in his best interests to stay here under a new and improved contract. But then that might be a bit hard to explain when we are being linked with other central defenders and have other promising youngsters like Feeney while being beaten in the Cup by another clubs youth team. There might be an argument in there for having a youngster on the bench every so often.
Fran Mitchell
2 Posted 07/01/2020 at 06:08:26
Would be criminal if we lost him. Left sided central defender he is what we need. Sack off Keane, the guy is useless. Play Gibson, and for the time being, put Holgate in midfield in place of Schneiderlin.

Holgate and Gibson could turn out to be our defence, young, English, and no need to spend 50 million.

Bobby Mallon
3 Posted 07/01/2020 at 06:22:24
Play him and he stays
Justin Doone
4 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:43:29
To little to late.

I cant judge him as I've not seen him but by all accounts he's very good, a promising player in the Holgate mould having good pace and comfortable on the ball for a defender.

I'm pretty sure his agent wants more money or a move but as we bought him for a million would we still be due compensation if he did leave?

Robert Tressell
5 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:52:40
Right now I need two positives. You know, one to cancel out the negative and another one so that I can have a positive.

Kevin Prytherch
6 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:58:24
Bobby 3 - play him? Then watch him labelled a championship player at best after the first misplaced pass and that he'll never be a centre back the first time he's muscled off the ball...

He's probably watched the dogs abuse that Davies, Holgate, Kenny and Calvert-Lewin have had and thought “nah”.

Calvert-Lewin has an interview recently where he said that it's not nice having 40,000 fans thinking you're not good enough, credit to him he said that you have to puff out your chest and prove them wrong. Not everyone is like that.

Did you hear the Liverpool fans getting on their teams backs in the first 20 minutes the other day when passes were going astray and they were conceding chances??

We need to look at ourselves and realise that, since Moshri, Goodison has become a horrible toxic place for any youngster to try and make it.

Bobby Mallon
7 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:28:28
Kevin @ 6 no I didn't but Liverpool have been doing well and winning things of late. They would not have put that side out a couple of yrs ago. Ffs we got beat by millwall it's not the first or last time it will happen it's the FA cup. Just play our youngsters and Calvert-Lewin is right it's not just physical ability it's mental as well. If he goes crying with a bit of stick then he can go play elsewhere because he will have his name sang the first good tackle he puts in
Hugh Jenkins
8 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:36:19
Catch 22 - we can't play him in the cups - we are out of both. We are still not clear enough in the PL to be confident of "blooding" him for 20 minutes or so at the end of upcoming games - unless we are defending a 3 or 4 goal lead - which is highly doubtful.
It may be that with a few more wins and other results going for us we might have that confidence with ten games to go this season, but by then it might be too late as he canning a pre contract agreement elsewhere, anytime from this month onwards.
Joe McMahon
9 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:39:38
I'm in the play him camp. He can't be any worse than many of our 100k a week flops.
Kevin Prytherch
10 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:41:51
Bobby - he might get cheered for the first tackle, but he'll also get abuse for the first mistake. Since Moshri we have turned into fans who demand instant success and that has created a toxic atmosphere for any young player. I wouldn't blame any youngster at the moment for looking elsewhere.

2 games ago Calvert-Lewin was the answer, 2 games later against the top two teams in the league starved of service and there's quite a few posters who have now backtracked. We are a horrible fickle bunch at the moment and have to take some responsibility for what we've ended up with. Davies takes constant abuse when a forward pass goes astray, the result is tepid, safe passing like we saw against Liverpool.

If Gibson, and any other promising youngster leave, I'm afraid that we get what we deserve.

Andrew Hight
11 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:53:23
Kevin is right. I remember in the cup away to QPR when Rooney was 18 and getting dogs abuse from this overweight youth all game. A section of our fans are just narcissistic and actually seem to take pride in slating “one of their own”.
Dave Williams
12 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:05:20
Well said Kevin. We are way too eager to criticise and whilst it is fair enough with senior pros who are hiding it is not on where the kids are concerned. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence should understand that young lads need the crowd behind them. It's been like this for donkeys years- Colin Harvey took terrible abuse before blossoming into the best wing half I ever saw,Royle,Husband,Heath,Sharp- they all had to show they could rise above the crap dished out by so called supporters who didn't stop to consider how they'd feel if it was their own 18 year old lad on the receiving end.
We have to be careful this weekend. All this talk about booing players onto the pitch or just staying quiet is not going to help them at all. We still need points badly and can not afford to drop any at home to Brighton.
Tempting though it may be we have to sort ourselves out and get behind the team- we support the club first and foremost and not who wears the shirt. Obviously the team selection will be important too- playing the S men will only stir up the critics and I agree with those saying that one or two youngsters should be given a chance. If we have a nucleus of Tom,Mason,Dom,Leighton,Bernard then we have five workers who will run themselves into the ground. Put in Gordon and maybe Feeney or Gibson or Adeniran and the energy will be there and hopefully the crowd would get behind the boys.
I know loads of you will say they are not ready but that shower had eight or nine who weren't ready on Sunday and look how well they played! Sometimes a lad will rise to the occasion in front of a big crowd whereas they can drift in a game in front of a couple of hundred.
One or two might just surprise us.
Bobby Mallon
13 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:35:44
Dave Williams I agree about lads rising to the occasion, look at Rashford. But Kevin wouldn't play any of them in case they get stick. That's football it comes with the territory, I know it shouldn't but it does, if they show effort and don't shy away they will be accepted. All of those players you mentioned Harvey and co all made it because they had a tough mental attitude these Youngsters can do the same give them a go. It really can't be any worse than playing Schniederlin or Siggy at the moment
Brent Stephens
14 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:41:23
"He can't be any worse than many of our £100k a week flops".

He certainly could be. Who knows how his game would play out if he started? Who can and can't step up from the U23s is guesswork. Pennington, Galloway, etc in recent years stepped in with varying degrees of success. Their U23 performances were good but it's difficult to predict how the step up will go.

I'm not against giving the likes of Gibson some first team game time, if carefully managed. Part of his success in the U23s is down to a really good understanding between him and Feeney. Will he gel with Mina? with Holgate?

Kevin Prytherch
15 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:54:17
Bobby - I've advocated playing more youth for a long time and think it was criminal that we have let such a promising group of players fall by the wayside because Silva had no faith in the youth system. 2-3 years ago we had Kenny, Holgate, Robinson, Baningime, Davies, Williams, Dowell, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin all coming through at the same time. We had a chance to do things differently, trust in these and build something. Instead, we bought the likes of Tosun and Walcott.

There will be some players who will rise to the top regardless, however there will be some that are affected by the crowd - and that's what we as a fan base need to change. Calvert-Lewin is a great example - he looks a different player since Big Dunc's spell in charge and that is due to confidence. Confidence that, as a young player, he should be able to get from the crowd.

Boo senior pros who should know better and don't put the effort in. But we should, and we don't, get behind the youngsters.

If we want to break into the top echelons, then we need to build a young hungry team. We've tried paying mega money for established players - it hasn't worked. The only way we can attract young hungry players is if we create an atmosphere where they aren't criticised for every mistake and written off early in their careers.

I'd love to trust in the likes of Gibson, Gordon and Adenerin for the remainder of the season, but I dread to think what players they'd become after a couple of mistakes in front of our fans.

Steve Ferns
16 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:56:01
Gibson has been missing most of the season with injury. He also had injuries last season. He's not ready for Premier League football. He still looks like a boy. He is not playing in attack where it doesn't matter that he's skinny, he's playing in central defence where he will have to wrestle with the likes of Troy Deeney. He is a long, long way off.

He does look a player, and we will kick ourselves if he leaves for a nominal fee as he will fill out and develop and his footballing ability is there for all to see. Time is on his side and he needs to be patient. He is best going on loan next season and trying himself in the rough and tumble of the Championship.

Ray Robinson
17 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:16:00
Kevin #15. Irrespective of what you might think about Allardyce who bought Walcott and Tosun, and irrespective of their current contributions, those two players helped us stay up two seasons ago. There lies the dilemma. Do you place your trust in the youngsters in the hope of biilding a better future whilst possibly spending time in the Championship?
Kevin Prytherch
18 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:12:15
Ray - how much did they really contribute to us staying up. After we signed them we won 6, drew 4 and lost 5. In the 16 matches immediately prior to that, we won 6, drew 4 and lost 6.

I think the opportunity was that season to blood all the youngsters. We should have made a statement saying that, now that the season was over (end of December) that we will try and integrate our own golden generation. We wouldn't have gone down, nor would we have qualified for Europe. But we would have known which players would have succeeded and which wouldn't. All we can do now is speculate.

Fran Mitchell
19 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:14:28
Ray, to say they helped us stay up is pushing it, and really exaggerating I think.

And the assumption that youth = relegation whilst sticking with 'seasoned pros' = survival is bollocks.

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:41:50
Agreed Fran.
chris williams
21 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:50:32
From what I can recall of the Allardyce interregnum was that the main reason behind any perceived ‘improvement' was the return from injury of Coleman Jags and Baines.

Given the state of my memory, however...

Steve Ferns
22 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:54:54
Chris, Unsworth put us 13th with the West Ham win, then Allardyce beat the worst side in the league 2-0 at home, and we were top half. job done. £9m earned.
Ray Robinson
23 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:00:10
I'm afraid that too much youth in one go probably does end up in relegation - if the starting position is that of Everton's. I seem to remember our winning at Stoke that season when Tosun scored twice, once when Calvert Lewin had failed to score from virtually on the line. If you're willing to wait for him to develop that deadly finisher's instinct (I'm still waiting), then fine. Also, I saw them win 2-0 at Huddersfield when both played a significant role in the win. It's fine to blood young players in dribs and drabs but not too many in one go and certainly not when up against the wall as we certainly tend to be at this time of the season. Walcott and Tosun played a big part in that "revival", as I agree did Jags and possibly Baines and Coleman too (memory a bit hazy on the latter two). Jags (and the other two) was / were (a) hardly a youngster(s) though, so doesn't that sort of reinforce the point?
Rob Dolby
24 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:17:42
I would get rid of him now to whoever wants him. If he was that good he would already be playing out on loan somewhere. This lad could be another Garbutt.

We need someone to partner Mina in a relegation scrap. It's not the time to give unproven young centre backs a run in the team.

As for the fans getting on his back, what kind of statement is that. Do you think that every other teams fans encourage and clap poor decisions and passes.

Footballers are single minded, ruthless, stubborn and resilient characters. Without those traits they wouldn't get past youth team football.

Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:41:25
Kevin (6 and 10), do you really believe that it is only since Moshiri came to Everton that supporters have turned on the players in the team? I've seen them getting stick since I was a very young boy, a long time ago.
chris williams
26 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:55:31
Just to add to Dave's point. I've just finished a book about Everton in the 60s- a successful period. The stick being handed out by the crowd was pretty vicious. The manager and chairman were pretty outspoken about it.

The book reproduces some of the fans letters to the Echo, the only platform then. They could have been written today.

And this was in a period perceived as successful!

Kevin Prytherch
27 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:24:21
Dave - I don't deny it's always been there, I just think it's got worse.

Previously we had more patience, however all any talk these days is how we can replace players with the next big signing. Then we wonder why the team is so bad.

We have become a set of fans who now expect instant success and, while I accept that this is a result of years of having no resources, this reflects in the stick that we give to players.

David Midgley
28 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:03:47
Assuming that the reports regarding the clubs tracking him are true.
What do they see in him that Everton don't ?
Raymond Fox
29 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:17:44
The lad is looking after his own interest, for which you cant blame him.

Its the same old story, if he's good enough he might get the odd game if there is a spate of injuries to our central defenders, otherwise I don't see Ancelotti risking an inexperienced player.

As for abusing players, yes we all moan when mistakes are made, but to verbally abuse someone within earshot says more about you than anything else.

Rob Dolby
30 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:19:17
Kevin 27. Please don't tell me that I expect instant success.

After not winning anything for 25 years and instant success don't fit into the same stratosphere.

No matter which player we sign as soon as they make their debut we want them to succeed. We are a group of fans that are living on hope and clutching at straws.

Dave Abrahams
31 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:28:10
Chris (26), Chris, what is the name of that book and is it possible to buy it anywhere?
Ray Robinson
32 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:29:28
David #28, the same as us - potential. If it's another PL club he'll go in their reserves instead of ours. How many 19 year old centre backs are playing regularly in the PL? Any? If it's a non-PL club, he may well start more frequently but then he'll have dropped a level. We should probably loan him out if he re-signs. I saw him at Wigan in the pre-season friendly and he looked very good by the way.
Brent Stephens
33 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:34:21
Dave #31 I think Chris was referring to Money Can't Buy Us Love: Everton in the 1960s, by Gavin Buckland. I've ordered it and I think that was on the back of Chris's recommendation.
Andrew Keatley
34 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:06:23
Steve (16) - Bang on. I think the fact that we failed to get an extra central defender through the door in the summer might have scuppered the option of sending Gibson out on loan in the summer window. The injury to Gbamin probably meant Gibson needed to be kept on the fringes of the first team this season in case the injury crisis deepened.

It's so hard for 19-year-old central defenders to break into a Premier League first team. Brighton's 22-year-old defender Ben White has had an exceptional season on loan at Leeds, and he is now ready to play Premier League football after previous loans at Newport and Peterborough. Whether Gibson stays at Everton or leaves, my feeling is that he is still at least 2 years away from being able to deserve to play regularly for a decent Premier League team.

Andrew Keatley
35 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:08:04
David (28) - It seems like Everton are very keen to keep him. But he's not ready to play regularly in the first team yet. But in two years time he could be.
Ray Robinson
36 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:18:14
Talking of young players beginning given a chance to step up, what has happened to Lookman? Does anyone know if he a regular in the German side that he went to?
Francis van Lierop
37 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:27:48
The article says my local team AZ is interested.
He's not ready for the Premiership, says Steve Fern, then why not loan him out.
If he get's to play in Alkmaar, he'll surely benefit, like JJ Kenny. (the defence of AZ is pretty thin and they're still in the Europa League)

chris williams
38 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:32:50
Dave and Brent,

Brent is right about the book title. It's very well researched with a great deal of detail and documentary back up. Gavin Buckland is the Everton FC official statistician, seemingly.

I was 11 at the start of Moore's tenure and the arrival of Tommy Ring etc so it was like Christmas coming early and then regularly thereafter.

Because of my blue tinted spectacles, I had forgotten about/ brushed from my memory the antipathy and bile of the press throughout that period, and the perception of dirty Everton/buying the league/ TonyKay/drug taking etc. I hadn't forgotten those events, just the degree of animosity.

It's well worth a read, but it was not all sweetness and light. Quite sobering actually.

The other good book is Blue Dragon, all about Royston.

chris williams
39 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:51:24
Dave, it's on Amazon, and currently at a reduced price, as is Blue Dragon. Both really well written and factual.
Brian Wilkinson
40 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:04:43
These youngsters are not ready, really, have you seen some of our performances this season.

People would rather stick with what we have, rather than give Gibson and Gordon a run out.

They cannot possibly do any worse, look at our neighbours youngsters yesterday, look at Greenwood, Rashford.

Our youngsters are too young, yet in the same breath, people are saying give 19 year old Kean more game time.

We need to start giving these youngsters a chance, the other option is sticking with players who have seen countless Managers lose their jobs.

Try Gibson indefence and slot Holgate in midfield, play Gordon in Siggys place, if it is not working you can always slot Holgate back in defence and further changes upfield if needed.

We need to get Gibson signed on a new contract before we kick ourselves.

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:07:44
Brian, Gibson been injured and the u23s have been very poor for the last few months. Read ancelotti's comments on Gibson and you'll see another manager who is impressed by him and has had a good look at him and still thinks he's not quite ready. We have to trust Carlo Ancelotti's judgement here.
Andrew Keatley
42 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:14:03
Brian (40) - I think Gordon is ready, certainly off the bench and then who knows. In my opinion he is much more ready than Moise Kean who is getting minutes (and not many) on reputation over anything else.
Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:40:32
Chris (39) and Brent (33), thanks for the tip about the book, my grandson has just ordered it for me. Chris the reduced price clinched it for me !!!
chris williams
44 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:47:05
Dave, I'd be glad to hear your reaction once you've read it.

Steve Ferns
45 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:52:53
Francis, because he's been injured for most of the season. The other thing is surely he would benefit from one season of u23 football? I think the boy has a trade to learn and his career is better served by following a more logical career progression. It is not so long ago that he was playing mostly as a left back (where he played for England in the u17 World Cup winning side) and he just needs to learn a bit, bulk up a bit, and then next season go out on loan.

For example, look at Tomori of Chelsea. He played for Chelsea's u18s, then u23s, and then when he was 20 he went to Brighton &HA for 6 months on loan to the Championship and played 9 games. Then the next season he did a full year with Hull C and played 25 games, and then last year, at the age of 21 he went to Derby C and played an entire season of 44 of 46 league games, 11 cup games, and this year, at the age of 22 he has stayed into Chelsea's defence and looks ready.

Gibson is 19 and 3.5 years younger than Tomori. He can see this season out and then next season, at the age of 20, he can go out on loan and see how he develops. We just need to make the career progression clear to him, and that we have a spot in our first team waiting for him in 2 years.

Dave Abrahams
46 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:08:58
Chris (44), I'll let you know what I think of the book when I've finished reading it.
Peter Neilson
47 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:14:45
Ray (36) Lookmans struggling to get a game, 3 in the league but Leipzig are top of the table at the moment so might explain the difficulty. Looks like he's on the bench most games.
Gavin Johnson
48 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:45:46
This kid seems pretty sure in his own ability so why not give him a couple of games. He looks like the only player besides from Gordon who can break into the 1st team. Michael Keane needs counselling such is the state of his confidence. Move Holgate back into midfield and give the kid a chance.
Bobby Mallon
49 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:57:56
Steve he is ready to play. Get him in
Brian Wilkinson
50 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:06:12
So he came back from injury, how many first team players have come back from injury and gone straight into the first team, Delph even half fit has been put back in.

He may not be ready in your view but you can guarentee he will walk into whoever buys him, if we do not give the guy game time.

He will learn a lot more alongside Coleman, a Holgate and The likes than in the u23 team.

I have seen enough of Gibson and in my eyes this guy is a decent centre half and great composure on the ball and certainly worth a game or two, to build experiance.

Brian Wilkinson
51 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:09:11
Sorry to harp on about a Gibson and a Gordon, the last time I was like this towards fringe players was with Jonjo Kenny and for me Kenny, Holgate, Gibson and Digne are who we should be looking at, to build our defence from.
Steve Ferns
52 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:12:00
Lewis Gibson has been injured THREE times this season. He has missed most of the season, can't you guys get your heads around this? He's played 5 games all season, and only once 3 in a row! Even if he was ready, he has not been fit!
Christy Ring
53 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:17:49
Chris@38 Looked up the book, read the early parts, looked very interesting, ordered off Amazon.
Regarding Gibson, we bought him for £6m, so he must have been impressive, I know he's had his injuries, but I don't understand why they've let his contract run down, if they want to keep him.
Brian Wilkinson
54 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:18:07
Surely game time will get the player up to speed then, not every game but use the player here and there in bit parts.

Can you tell me how many times Delph has been injured this season Steve, and how many games he has played for our first team.

Gavin Johnson
55 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:23:32
Steve, Mina's always having niggling injuries. Spurs and Villa used to play Ledley King and Paul McGrath who had no cartilage in their knees. If he's plying in the U 23's right now and has the ability he can play some part before the end of the season, even if it's only an option from the bench. We want the lad to sign another contract. Plus he can hardly do any worse than Michael Keane, can he?!
Steve Ferns
56 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:25:48
Sure Brian, he has played 11 PL games, 3 LC games, 1 FAC game. He's had three injuries, missing 3 games, 1 game then 7 games.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
57 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:26:39
Why is it everytime Dier and Mustafi are dragged up.

Dier was on loan and went back to Portugal. Arsenal fans consider Mustafi to be one of the worst centre halfs they have ever had and in recent years they have had some bad ones.

Steve Ferns
58 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:27:25
Gavin, but he isn't playing for the u23s, he's injured. He last played in November.

Phil, Mustafi won a World Cup. Crap or not, he played at the very highest level and he was schooled in our academy until the age of 20.

Brian Wilkinson
59 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:31:09
What about Yerry Mina last season Steve, three times he was out injured, missed most of the season.

I am not out to score points or anything, but certain players have been out injured, yet has not hampered them being picked when fit.

Coleman was out over a year, Kenny came in and in my opinion did a good job, but was dropped as soon as Coleman was fit.

We will not know how Gibson will do, but he should at worst be on the bench and getting some game time here and there.

Brian Wilkinson
60 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:41:36
Gavin, I've seen Gibson a number of times, he came on against Wigan Ath in the friendly, was very composed on the ball, never panicked and quite a few said the same thing, a very good centre half, far better than Michael Keane.

We cannot afford to lose this player and if giving him game time from the bench to reassure him to sign a new contract, then we need to act fast, or risk losing a very good player.

Steve Ferns
61 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:42:33
Brian, you cannot play him if he's injured!

Ryan Astley has had to move in from right back to centre-back, Kyle John has dropped back from right wing to right back. The other centre back is Con ouzounidis, who himself is just getting over a long term injury. The u23s are on a mid-season break and hopefully Gibson is now fit and ready to play.

He's played just 5 times this season, and never been fit enough to play more than 3 in a row. He cannot get in the first team, because he is not fit long enough.

Gavin Johnson
62 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:50:47
Steve, well if the 3 consecutive games are old games he can't play. I thought you meant that he'd only come back and played three games. I also don't think that bodes well for us, because there have been several reports that have found their way into the media (probably by Gibson's agent) inferring he is worried or frustrated about not being near the first team squad. If he's been injured as much as you say, he shouldn't really be pushing for the first team contention. I think this might be pointing towards a greatly improved deal, or he just wants to move on this summer.

Brian #60. Me too. I saw the same game and he looked like the only U 23 that was ready to make the transition.

Steve Ferns
63 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:57:05
Gavin, he's played 5 and missed 8 games. He was consistently with the first team at all times too. He trained with the first team and then turned out for the u23s. Gordon, on the other hand, has stopped going with the u23s and is with the first team every game, for example, he was not in the squad and when Bernard did his knee, he was there ready to make the bench. I don't think you realise just how close Gibson, Gordon and Adeniran have been to getting minutes. It's also been the wrong atmosphere to blood them in. They might have featured if results were better, under Silva. Looking at Ancelotti's record, he is not afraid to play the kids, so the comments about the academy do not surprise me. I am sure he will be making recommendations to Brands about the inevitable changes in the summer.
David Thomas
64 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:10:33
We want instant success, bloody hell we haven't won anything for a quarter of a century FFS.
Brian Wilkinson
65 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:15:56
With record losses due to be announced, I would hold fire for a centre half and give sparingly game time from the bench for Gibson, build his fitness up.

I would also give Gordon some game time and drop Siggy.

See where we are around the summer transfer window.

For me we need to try and offload some players this window and start our rebuilding in the summer.

Christy Ring
66 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:26:13
Dunc said Coleman played during his period with pain killing injections, most players are not 100% but still play
Gerry Ring
67 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:31:32
Chris#38. Following on from your post, on the 8th of February, a number of the Ring family, in conjunction with Everton “Unofficial” Historian & legend Eric Williams will converge on the Winslow Arms after the Palace game to toast & remember our cousin Tommy. May be 1 or 2 Everton legends there also. Would love to hear stories about Tommy's short lived time at Everton, which resulted in all of us being life long Evertonians.
chris williams
68 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:49:37

I'll put it in my diary, mate. It's a lunchtime game so hopefully it will be fine.

Great player!

The day after my birthday

Francis van Lierop
69 Posted 08/01/2020 at 12:42:29
Steve, you're probably quite right.
You know much more about him, and have probably seen him play.
After the shambles that was last sunday, most of us never want to see Schneiderlin (especially!) or Sigurdsson play for us again.
For that to happen we'd like to see more youth players come through the system.
As Lyndon alluded to some time ago, something's not quite as it should be at Finch Farm, if Unsworth is allowed to play his team as he chooses.
As somebody else wrote this week, the primary function of our youth set-up is to get as many players as is possible into our first team. Not winning meaningless youth championships!
I'm pretty certain this has Marcel Brands primary focus, but for whatever reason if Unsworth is allowed to do as he pleases, then it's all a waste of time and money.
Many have noticed that the rs set up is such, that the youth teams mirror the first teams manner of play.
So that the young players can seemingly effortlessy fit in.

This is not new!
Ajax have been doing this for decades.

Phil Smith
70 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:11:20
Kevin (15 especially) is bang on. We've wasted the Everton careers of a group of young players by not having faith and patience, trying to buy success instead. It hasn't worked. We need to be thinking longer term. Taken City a while to get where they are and a lot of investment. We should be able to blend quality with potential. DCL is starting to show what he can do, but it's taken him 3 seasons to do this. I see Lampard willing to give 18 years olds game time. Why can't we?
Brian Wilkinson
71 Posted 08/01/2020 at 20:00:25
Phil, I agree about giving the youngsters a go, you mention City, one player that stands out is their 19 year old Foden, yet some are saying 19 is too young, loan them out.

We need to give a couple of youngsters a go, regardless of any saying not the right time due to our position, but our position is down to the very players that need dropping.

Mike Dolan
72 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:00:17
I'm not sure if he is ready or not but it does seem to me that the kid has been tapped by Newcastle. I would file a complaint immediately and at the same time make a decent offer. If he refuses then God bless him.

I love to see kids coming through but in truth very few make it. Kenny might be the next though Ancellotti seems to favor attacking full backs. Gordon might be a truly influential player who breaks through this year. It's harder to introduce young players into a team we're the pressure to win is greater than the pressure of just playing the game.

Mike Dolan
73 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:23:17
Francis # 69.
Your exactly correct. I think though we should be clear that the the disconnect between the academy teams and Everton is purely administrative. We can't imply blame to the lower level managers. The club should systematically be grooming players for specific positions on the field that mirror the style of play of whatever Everton has become
Steve Ferns
74 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:39:03
Give the kids a go? Which kids? Which kids are actually playing well and should make our first team?

Gibson? Injured
Feeney? Injured
Baningime? Injured
Simms? 2 goals in his last 5 games

The u23s have lost 4 of the last 6 games. They look poor. Their midfield has a very promising 16 year old and an 18 year old Einar Iversen who is just easing back in after a major knee injury. The defence is martialled by a right back playing centre back (Astley) and another player recently back from a long injury lay off (Con Ouzounidis ).

I follow the youth sides because I love nothing more than playing the kids. I want to see a team with 11 local lads, not a team of foreign mercenaries. But we have to have decent players to promote. We do have a few, but they are injured and the only one really ready is on the cusp of getting a game anyway.

Phil Smith
75 Posted 09/01/2020 at 16:04:42
How about Evans, Steve? He's looked good whenever I've seen him.
Michael Williams
76 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:08:56
As an American who started supporting the club only several years ago and who was a neutral before that, I believe the fans of this team are quicker to rip their young players and harsher when they do it that any set of fans in any sport I can remember. Just one person's opinion.
Paul Smith
77 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:17:07
Is that a compliment Michael. 😉
As Evertonians we have high standards granted they have dropped in the last 30 years or so, its born out of frustration as James sang, its not personal not by me anyway but I do get frustrated and have zero patience.

Not sure I can be any different tbh.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:27:54
Michael #76, don't know where you live here in the Colonies, but it must not be Philadelphia.
Steve Ferns
79 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:29:16
Phil Smith, I really like him. He's 20 now. He must go on loan now and prove himself. To still be here in the summer and his chance will have all but gone.
Keith Harrison
80 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:26:47
I Guess Gibson must be signing a new deal as He's agreed to go to Ipswich on loan for the rest of the season.

Good news for me.

Mike Doyle
81 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:41:11
Steve. As we know, the majority of the current U23s and U18s will not become Everton regulars.

I recall reading somewhere that the definition of success at most PL teams is to generate one first team regular every 6-7 years via their Academy structure.

Over at Mordor Trent A-Arnold is the first since the Carragher/Gerrard era - and the majority of the "kids" Liverpool deployed against us won't become first team regulars.

Steve Ferns
82 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:54:32
Yes Mike. There was a great article on the site Paul A Smith does not like me mentioning. The former broadsheet journalist, Daniel Storey, was talking about the u23 system being a "graveyard". He was saying that it's full of players 20 and over who are now never going to make it. 21 year old Antony Evans fits into that category.

Paul Tait's comments were interesting as he seemed to imply that the u23 league was now (as in this season) was starting to become more of an u19s league, and that Everton have not got with the programme. This is what I think we should be concentrating on.

A good premier league pro who comes through our academy should follow a pathway as follows:
u18s football up until the age of 18
if good enough step up to u23s at 16 or 17
if able to make that step up then consideration for first team regardless of age
if not good enough for first team consideration by the age of 19, then look to loan out
if still not near the first team at 21, then sell or release, unless an exception can be made

An exception example being Antony Evans or Kieran Dowell. In that if there is a lot of talent there and they are clearly Championship standard players who with the right loan might prove to be first team worthy, or alternatively might increase transfer value.

Dick Fearon
83 Posted 17/01/2020 at 22:44:26
Gerry @67, Billy Liddell was in his prime and he and Stanley Matthews had the unique honour of being picked fortwo Great Britain sides.

In those days, we sassenachs had little knowledge of Scottish football and I found it hard to believe that Scotland had a player the equal of Billy. I became a believer when I saw Tommy in the Blue shirt.

12,000 miles from my local to the Wilmslow makes it impossible for me to join you and other believers but I shall raise a glass to toast the memory of one of our finest left-wingers, your uncle Tommy.

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