Gibson, a £1m acquisition from Newcastle United's youth setup in a deal that could eventually be worth £6m, has been stalling on signing new terms with the Toffees as he has been seeking assurances over his first-team prospects.
The 19-year-old is now a first-choice starter for David Unsworth's Under-23s side, regularly trains with the first team and played for the senior side in the pre-season.
He has, however, found himself in that awkward limbo between the two setups, becoming too experienced for the Academy sides but still so raw that ex-Blues boss Marco Silva was hesitant to blood him during what turned out to be a turbulent first four months of the 2019-20 season.
Gibson has been linked with a return to his former club, Newcastle, but, according to the Liverpool Echo, he is also being tracked by AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord in the Netherlands as well as Celtic in Scotland.
If Everton aren't able to persuade him to stay, he could sign a pre-contract agreement with another club this month ahead of a move away from Finch Farm at the end of the season.
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1 Posted 07/01/2020 at 03:59:56
2 Posted 07/01/2020 at 06:08:26
Holgate and Gibson could turn out to be our defence, young, English, and no need to spend 50 million.
3 Posted 07/01/2020 at 06:22:24
4 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:43:29
I cant judge him as I've not seen him but by all accounts he's very good, a promising player in the Holgate mould having good pace and comfortable on the ball for a defender.
I'm pretty sure his agent wants more money or a move but as we bought him for a million would we still be due compensation if he did leave?
5 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:52:40
6 Posted 07/01/2020 at 07:58:24
He's probably watched the dogs abuse that Davies, Holgate, Kenny and Calvert-Lewin have had and thought “nahâ€.
Calvert-Lewin has an interview recently where he said that it's not nice having 40,000 fans thinking you're not good enough, credit to him he said that you have to puff out your chest and prove them wrong. Not everyone is like that.
Did you hear the Liverpool fans getting on their teams backs in the first 20 minutes the other day when passes were going astray and they were conceding chances??
We need to look at ourselves and realise that, since Moshri, Goodison has become a horrible toxic place for any youngster to try and make it.
7 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:28:28
8 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:36:19
It may be that with a few more wins and other results going for us we might have that confidence with ten games to go this season, but by then it might be too late as he canning a pre contract agreement elsewhere, anytime from this month onwards.
9 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:39:38
10 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:41:51
2 games ago Calvert-Lewin was the answer, 2 games later against the top two teams in the league starved of service and there's quite a few posters who have now backtracked. We are a horrible fickle bunch at the moment and have to take some responsibility for what we've ended up with. Davies takes constant abuse when a forward pass goes astray, the result is tepid, safe passing like we saw against Liverpool.
If Gibson, and any other promising youngster leave, I'm afraid that we get what we deserve.
11 Posted 07/01/2020 at 08:53:23
12 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:05:20
We have to be careful this weekend. All this talk about booing players onto the pitch or just staying quiet is not going to help them at all. We still need points badly and can not afford to drop any at home to Brighton.
Tempting though it may be we have to sort ourselves out and get behind the team- we support the club first and foremost and not who wears the shirt. Obviously the team selection will be important too- playing the S men will only stir up the critics and I agree with those saying that one or two youngsters should be given a chance. If we have a nucleus of Tom,Mason,Dom,Leighton,Bernard then we have five workers who will run themselves into the ground. Put in Gordon and maybe Feeney or Gibson or Adeniran and the energy will be there and hopefully the crowd would get behind the boys.
I know loads of you will say they are not ready but that shower had eight or nine who weren't ready on Sunday and look how well they played! Sometimes a lad will rise to the occasion in front of a big crowd whereas they can drift in a game in front of a couple of hundred.
One or two might just surprise us.
13 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:35:44
14 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:41:23
He certainly could be. Who knows how his game would play out if he started? Who can and can't step up from the U23s is guesswork. Pennington, Galloway, etc in recent years stepped in with varying degrees of success. Their U23 performances were good but it's difficult to predict how the step up will go.
I'm not against giving the likes of Gibson some first team game time, if carefully managed. Part of his success in the U23s is down to a really good understanding between him and Feeney. Will he gel with Mina? with Holgate?
15 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:54:17
There will be some players who will rise to the top regardless, however there will be some that are affected by the crowd - and that's what we as a fan base need to change. Calvert-Lewin is a great example - he looks a different player since Big Dunc's spell in charge and that is due to confidence. Confidence that, as a young player, he should be able to get from the crowd.
Boo senior pros who should know better and don't put the effort in. But we should, and we don't, get behind the youngsters.
If we want to break into the top echelons, then we need to build a young hungry team. We've tried paying mega money for established players - it hasn't worked. The only way we can attract young hungry players is if we create an atmosphere where they aren't criticised for every mistake and written off early in their careers.
I'd love to trust in the likes of Gibson, Gordon and Adenerin for the remainder of the season, but I dread to think what players they'd become after a couple of mistakes in front of our fans.
16 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:56:01
He does look a player, and we will kick ourselves if he leaves for a nominal fee as he will fill out and develop and his footballing ability is there for all to see. Time is on his side and he needs to be patient. He is best going on loan next season and trying himself in the rough and tumble of the Championship.
17 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:16:00
18 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:12:15
I think the opportunity was that season to blood all the youngsters. We should have made a statement saying that, now that the season was over (end of December) that we will try and integrate our own golden generation. We wouldn't have gone down, nor would we have qualified for Europe. But we would have known which players would have succeeded and which wouldn't. All we can do now is speculate.
19 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:14:28
And the assumption that youth = relegation whilst sticking with 'seasoned pros' = survival is bollocks.
20 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:41:50
21 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:50:32
Given the state of my memory, however...
22 Posted 07/01/2020 at 11:54:54
23 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:00:10
24 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:17:42
We need someone to partner Mina in a relegation scrap. It's not the time to give unproven young centre backs a run in the team.
As for the fans getting on his back, what kind of statement is that. Do you think that every other teams fans encourage and clap poor decisions and passes.
Footballers are single minded, ruthless, stubborn and resilient characters. Without those traits they wouldn't get past youth team football.
25 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:41:25
26 Posted 07/01/2020 at 12:55:31
The book reproduces some of the fans letters to the Echo, the only platform then. They could have been written today.
And this was in a period perceived as successful!
27 Posted 07/01/2020 at 13:24:21
Previously we had more patience, however all any talk these days is how we can replace players with the next big signing. Then we wonder why the team is so bad.
We have become a set of fans who now expect instant success and, while I accept that this is a result of years of having no resources, this reflects in the stick that we give to players.
28 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:03:47
What do they see in him that Everton don't ?
29 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:17:44
Its the same old story, if he's good enough he might get the odd game if there is a spate of injuries to our central defenders, otherwise I don't see Ancelotti risking an inexperienced player.
As for abusing players, yes we all moan when mistakes are made, but to verbally abuse someone within earshot says more about you than anything else.
30 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:19:17
After not winning anything for 25 years and instant success don't fit into the same stratosphere.
No matter which player we sign as soon as they make their debut we want them to succeed. We are a group of fans that are living on hope and clutching at straws.
31 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:28:10
32 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:29:28
33 Posted 07/01/2020 at 15:34:21
34 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:06:23
It's so hard for 19-year-old central defenders to break into a Premier League first team. Brighton's 22-year-old defender Ben White has had an exceptional season on loan at Leeds, and he is now ready to play Premier League football after previous loans at Newport and Peterborough. Whether Gibson stays at Everton or leaves, my feeling is that he is still at least 2 years away from being able to deserve to play regularly for a decent Premier League team.
35 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:08:04
36 Posted 07/01/2020 at 16:18:14
37 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:27:48
He's not ready for the Premiership, says Steve Fern, then why not loan him out.
If he get's to play in Alkmaar, he'll surely benefit, like JJ Kenny. (the defence of AZ is pretty thin and they're still in the Europa League)
38 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:32:50
Brent is right about the book title. It's very well researched with a great deal of detail and documentary back up. Gavin Buckland is the Everton FC official statistician, seemingly.
I was 11 at the start of Moore's tenure and the arrival of Tommy Ring etc so it was like Christmas coming early and then regularly thereafter.
Because of my blue tinted spectacles, I had forgotten about/ brushed from my memory the antipathy and bile of the press throughout that period, and the perception of dirty Everton/buying the league/ TonyKay/drug taking etc. I hadn't forgotten those events, just the degree of animosity.
It's well worth a read, but it was not all sweetness and light. Quite sobering actually.
The other good book is Blue Dragon, all about Royston.
39 Posted 07/01/2020 at 17:51:24
40 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:04:43
People would rather stick with what we have, rather than give Gibson and Gordon a run out.
They cannot possibly do any worse, look at our neighbours youngsters yesterday, look at Greenwood, Rashford.
Our youngsters are too young, yet in the same breath, people are saying give 19 year old Kean more game time.
We need to start giving these youngsters a chance, the other option is sticking with players who have seen countless Managers lose their jobs.
Try Gibson indefence and slot Holgate in midfield, play Gordon in Siggys place, if it is not working you can always slot Holgate back in defence and further changes upfield if needed.
We need to get Gibson signed on a new contract before we kick ourselves.
41 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:07:44
42 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:14:03
43 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:40:32
44 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:47:05
45 Posted 07/01/2020 at 18:52:53
For example, look at Tomori of Chelsea. He played for Chelsea's u18s, then u23s, and then when he was 20 he went to Brighton &HA for 6 months on loan to the Championship and played 9 games. Then the next season he did a full year with Hull C and played 25 games, and then last year, at the age of 21 he went to Derby C and played an entire season of 44 of 46 league games, 11 cup games, and this year, at the age of 22 he has stayed into Chelsea's defence and looks ready.
Gibson is 19 and 3.5 years younger than Tomori. He can see this season out and then next season, at the age of 20, he can go out on loan and see how he develops. We just need to make the career progression clear to him, and that we have a spot in our first team waiting for him in 2 years.
46 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:08:58
47 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:14:45
48 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:45:46
49 Posted 07/01/2020 at 19:57:56
50 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:06:12
He may not be ready in your view but you can guarentee he will walk into whoever buys him, if we do not give the guy game time.
He will learn a lot more alongside Coleman, a Holgate and The likes than in the u23 team.
I have seen enough of Gibson and in my eyes this guy is a decent centre half and great composure on the ball and certainly worth a game or two, to build experiance.
51 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:09:11
52 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:12:00
53 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:17:49
Regarding Gibson, we bought him for £6m, so he must have been impressive, I know he's had his injuries, but I don't understand why they've let his contract run down, if they want to keep him.
54 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:18:07
Can you tell me how many times Delph has been injured this season Steve, and how many games he has played for our first team.
55 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:23:32
56 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:25:48
57 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:26:39
Dier was on loan and went back to Portugal. Arsenal fans consider Mustafi to be one of the worst centre halfs they have ever had and in recent years they have had some bad ones.
58 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:27:25
Phil, Mustafi won a World Cup. Crap or not, he played at the very highest level and he was schooled in our academy until the age of 20.
59 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:31:09
I am not out to score points or anything, but certain players have been out injured, yet has not hampered them being picked when fit.
Coleman was out over a year, Kenny came in and in my opinion did a good job, but was dropped as soon as Coleman was fit.
We will not know how Gibson will do, but he should at worst be on the bench and getting some game time here and there.
60 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:41:36
We cannot afford to lose this player and if giving him game time from the bench to reassure him to sign a new contract, then we need to act fast, or risk losing a very good player.
61 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:42:33
Ryan Astley has had to move in from right back to centre-back, Kyle John has dropped back from right wing to right back. The other centre back is Con ouzounidis, who himself is just getting over a long term injury. The u23s are on a mid-season break and hopefully Gibson is now fit and ready to play.
He's played just 5 times this season, and never been fit enough to play more than 3 in a row. He cannot get in the first team, because he is not fit long enough.
62 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:50:47
Brian #60. Me too. I saw the same game and he looked like the only U 23 that was ready to make the transition.
63 Posted 07/01/2020 at 20:57:05
64 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:10:33
65 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:15:56
I would also give Gordon some game time and drop Siggy.
See where we are around the summer transfer window.
For me we need to try and offload some players this window and start our rebuilding in the summer.
66 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:26:13
67 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:31:32
68 Posted 07/01/2020 at 21:49:37
I'll put it in my diary, mate. It's a lunchtime game so hopefully it will be fine.
The day after my birthday
69 Posted 08/01/2020 at 12:42:29
You know much more about him, and have probably seen him play.
After the shambles that was last sunday, most of us never want to see Schneiderlin (especially!) or Sigurdsson play for us again.
For that to happen we'd like to see more youth players come through the system.
As Lyndon alluded to some time ago, something's not quite as it should be at Finch Farm, if Unsworth is allowed to play his team as he chooses.
As somebody else wrote this week, the primary function of our youth set-up is to get as many players as is possible into our first team. Not winning meaningless youth championships!
I'm pretty certain this has Marcel Brands primary focus, but for whatever reason if Unsworth is allowed to do as he pleases, then it's all a waste of time and money.
Many have noticed that the rs set up is such, that the youth teams mirror the first teams manner of play.
So that the young players can seemingly effortlessy fit in.
This is not new!
Ajax have been doing this for decades.
70 Posted 07/01/2020 at 14:11:20
71 Posted 08/01/2020 at 20:00:25
We need to give a couple of youngsters a go, regardless of any saying not the right time due to our position, but our position is down to the very players that need dropping.
72 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:00:17
I love to see kids coming through but in truth very few make it. Kenny might be the next though Ancellotti seems to favor attacking full backs. Gordon might be a truly influential player who breaks through this year. It's harder to introduce young players into a team we're the pressure to win is greater than the pressure of just playing the game.
73 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:23:17
Your exactly correct. I think though we should be clear that the the disconnect between the academy teams and Everton is purely administrative. We can't imply blame to the lower level managers. The club should systematically be grooming players for specific positions on the field that mirror the style of play of whatever Everton has become
74 Posted 09/01/2020 at 01:39:03
Simms? 2 goals in his last 5 games
The u23s have lost 4 of the last 6 games. They look poor. Their midfield has a very promising 16 year old and an 18 year old Einar Iversen who is just easing back in after a major knee injury. The defence is martialled by a right back playing centre back (Astley) and another player recently back from a long injury lay off (Con Ouzounidis ).
I follow the youth sides because I love nothing more than playing the kids. I want to see a team with 11 local lads, not a team of foreign mercenaries. But we have to have decent players to promote. We do have a few, but they are injured and the only one really ready is on the cusp of getting a game anyway.
75 Posted 09/01/2020 at 16:04:42
76 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:08:56
77 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:17:07
As Evertonians we have high standards granted they have dropped in the last 30 years or so, its born out of frustration as James sang, its not personal not by me anyway but I do get frustrated and have zero patience.
Not sure I can be any different tbh.
78 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:27:54
79 Posted 09/01/2020 at 20:29:16
80 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:26:47
Good news for me.
81 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:41:11
I recall reading somewhere that the definition of success at most PL teams is to generate one first team regular every 6-7 years via their Academy structure.
Over at Mordor Trent A-Arnold is the first since the Carragher/Gerrard era - and the majority of the "kids" Liverpool deployed against us won't become first team regulars.
82 Posted 10/01/2020 at 11:54:32
Paul Tait's comments were interesting as he seemed to imply that the u23 league was now (as in this season) was starting to become more of an u19s league, and that Everton have not got with the programme. This is what I think we should be concentrating on.
A good premier league pro who comes through our academy should follow a pathway as follows:
u18s football up until the age of 18
if good enough step up to u23s at 16 or 17
if able to make that step up then consideration for first team regardless of age
if not good enough for first team consideration by the age of 19, then look to loan out
if still not near the first team at 21, then sell or release, unless an exception can be made
An exception example being Antony Evans or Kieran Dowell. In that if there is a lot of talent there and they are clearly Championship standard players who with the right loan might prove to be first team worthy, or alternatively might increase transfer value.
83 Posted 17/01/2020 at 22:44:26
In those days, we sassenachs had little knowledge of Scottish football and I found it hard to believe that Scotland had a player the equal of Billy. I became a believer when I saw Tommy in the Blue shirt.
12,000 miles from my local to the Wilmslow makes it impossible for me to join you and other believers but I shall raise a glass to toast the memory of one of our finest left-wingers, your uncle Tommy.
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