Everton move to arrest slide by firing Silva

The club will only move forward when we recruit a manager that can get the best out of the players.. league beaters one minute useless another... too many lows for too long...

Shambolic, this appointment has to be right. The structure of the decision making team reviewed and Brands has to take a good look at himself too although I'm certain Marco Silva was not his choice of manager.

Slowly but surely they run this once great club into the ground. Now the Moyesiah returns, hopefully to rescue us but knowing our luck dithering Dave will be the final nail in the coffin.

Right now, I fucking hate Everton FC. Only the long suffering fans keep me going.

If the team have to go back to basics, so do the board. Get rid of the Director of Football - it's not working.

Just hope Everton find their identity quickly. All the money we have spent recently, and we've gone backward.

Whoever is next, just support them.
Coyb (l mean Mega)

If we can't get Rafa then it needs to be someone who knows the Premier League. I actually wanted Rodgers.

Please at least whoever we appoint, Make it so that when they walk in the door at FF the fans will be looking UP the table with excitement, as opposed to settling for 4th from bottom which is what they will get with either Laurel (Moyes) or Hardy (Benitez)

Onwards and more importantly UPWARDS, Progressive appointments only to be considered

COYB

Feel sorry for the bloke but he was never fir for the job in the first place.

If we have learned any lessons and have any ambition we will go for the likes of Ancellotti, Simeone, Marcelino, Ten Hag.

Surely the job will appeal to someone of that ilk.

Moyes would be a weird appointment for Brands. A bit like Newcastle dusting off Kevin Keegan, or Villa getting John Gregory back from India. Or anyone hiring Steve McLaren. I keep feeling like saying we should give Alan Pardew a chance, just for a joke. I guess be careful what you joke about.

Hand on heart who here had us in the top six at Xmas? Did anyone believe we would be right here, right now?

I thought we'd be disappointing. I had us at around tenth spot for boxing day. Even now it's only two wins and relying on everyone above us to not get any points either folks! MEGA! MEGA!!

Simon we're massively short of options to put it mildly. Would you rather Kenwright in the dugout on Saturday? Brands even? Has to be Rhino.....surely?

Not a minute too soon, I'm afraid.

Unsworth will probably be in charge against Chelski. And then, we'll see...

They wait until we get mauled in 2 games until we are desperate then hope that the relegation place we are holding will sway us into swallowing the poison.

I have been ultra critical of Brands on here but I now feel sorry for him as he has clearly been sidestepped in this process as there can be no way his paws are over this one.

I'm sick to the teeth

So a safe pair of hands who could win actually win something?! Umm...It's pretty obvious really. We appoint Rafa Benitez!!

He saw through our former boss quicker than many.

"Everton Football Club can confirm that manager Marco Silva has left the Club.

Majority Shareholder Farhad Moshiri, Chairman Bill Kenwright and the Board of Directors would like to thank Marco for his service over the last 18 months and wish him well for the future.

Duncan Ferguson has taken temporary charge of the first team and will manage the side for the game against Chelsea on Saturday.

The Club aims to confirm a new permanent manager as swiftly as possible."

Two interesting takes:

1) DF as Everton temporary manager!

2) that a permanent manager will be confirmed asap

It's only a shame they can't rip up the contracts of half of those halfwits on the field last night that showed no passion or courage.

The board are not covering themselves in glory with this in my opinion. 3 points from 12th is not a catastrophe. Our last 2 Full time managers (Excluding fireman Sam) are not doing too badly; which shows its not all to do with the Manager. Brands should be worried as he let Silva down badly in the summer.

All the Best Marco; made some mistakes by keeping faith with some of the squad who didn't deserve it and are still at finch farm, like a virus.

Gutted it didn't work out for Marco was hoping he'd be the 1 to have us playing good and challenging again.

Happy because the fixtures we had we should be much higher up the league, getting beat 2-0 to all the promoted teams in unacceptable in itself.

Don't really want Moyes, but not totally against the idea either.

The last season Moyes was here was our best for a long time, the team was playing fantastic.

Dont forget he didnt really shit on us that bad, he done 10 years, honoured his contract and left because united come calling, cant really blame him when he was given a packet of KP peanuts and a bag of pork scratching to spend each summer, he done an excellent job.

1 thing is for sure, he'll have that defence sorted out no problem. He was just never the best getting the attack as good though.

Hopefully Moshiri has got a nice christmas cracker lined up for manager though and Moyes is just a smoke screen

We are too hungry for success and we need immediate results to calm our yearning.
We are a big club that has fallen by the wayside and has stayed down far too long. We need to get back up there again
We need a "nastier" manager, maybe.

Exactly. Did something happent this afternoon to suddenly swing the pedulum? I doubt it. In which case, why waste everyone's time haveing Silva waste one of our two training days planning for a game he won't even be involved in. What's that logic that he would be OK with being sacked as long as Moshiri came down in person, as opposed to say being told not to take training (e.g. giving the game away) and waiting a couple of hours for Mosh to come in person and formalize it?

You have to admit it is better than Olympic bronze for kecks shittery, like we had from our recently departed Manager.

Drunken Ferguson in temporary charge, roll on the drums, then a major announcement soonish!

And no sign of Moyes.

It will be interesting to see what if anything different transpires with Big Dunc in charge for Saturday...

But I can't tell you without swearing heavily how fucking overjoyed I am it's not that horrible dour traitorous massively overrated ginger twat Moyes.

Now, if David Moyes is appointed, I'm done. I'm dead serious. No other Club in world football would hire him. Failure at Man U, failure in Europe / Spanish league, relegated a great club in Sunderland? No one, I repeat no one, would hire this man. If we do that, we show ZERO ambition.

I will read TW and I will check the scores. But instead of posting all the time, bantering away on the live forum, etc., my valuable time will be spent elsewhere while this Club gets their act together.

Hiring David Moyes is simply an embarrassing move for a Club. It makes muppets of all the loyal supporters - even us bastardized internet far-flung freaks. I'd have zero problems with anyone who boycotts the games who lives locally, and I know for a fact my already sky-high respect for Rob Halligan will increase to god-like status, as that man wouldn't miss a game come hell or high water.

Thrilled! Not because of Dunc leading the boys, but because that means hopefully no David Fucking Moyes!!!

WOO-HOO!

"Nobody knows anything"

Definitely applies to choosing football managers as well as which movies to finance/produce.

See Jaws and/or Heaven's Gate.

(see Greece sack Ranieri after losing to The Faroe Islands, Leicester employ Ranieri, Leicester win PM)

Nobody (nb: you, me) knows anything.

I agree with your general point on Moyes btw.

Appointing DF as temporary manager at least gives us a measure of home support on Saturday. Stranger things have happened than the Goodison roar getting us a result - particularly as the new gaffer has done prison time for assaulting a footballer no less.

Let's turn over chelsea and maybe even save christmas.

Hilarious. He indeed must lead the line.

Fuck it, the shit show can't be any worse than we've seen all season.

As I said earlier - Moyes (or A.N.Other) interim 'til the end of the season with bonuses/options ok for me. If we could land our hero choice (...insert name) before the end of the season, pay the interim off and get the new guy in asap.

Madness to agree long term contracts in the knowledge they will not be fulfilled. They have to be earned (although I realise football doesn't really operate like that.)

Surely there's legs in that rumo(u)r?

Eugene Ruane @97, we do know one thing:
David Moyes would be a disaster. I have my crystal ball, read my tea leaves, checked the stars, prayed to Buddha, and it all lines up.

Trust me. 😈

Steve Ferns #69 That message made me laugh. I'd almost forgotten about how much Andy Crooks dislikes Big Dunc

Let's get behind Big Dunc and get 3 points this weekend.

Brands must have someone lined up to take the reins. Hoping for someone everyone can get behind now that Widow Twanky Bill and Wishy Washy Farhad have finally taken a long overdue decision this pantomime season.

In the meantime let's all give Duncan a shout on Saturday and get three precious home points on the board.

Sadly now we do actually need a more Allardyce-style manager. We didn't when we got shot of Koeman... but we shat ourselves. So this time it will be Moyes. God, I hope not. It'll be a disaster. He would be a nightmare with anyone with flair... he showed himself not to trust youth... so we'd end up with an even more perfect relegation storm. A manager who's lost his stock, with Richarlison, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Moise Kean, Mina, Gomes (when back) and Pickford all wanting gone ASAP. DCL clapping as he chases an over hit long ball down a channel from vice captain Keane (Baines being club captain). Shoot me now.

Wouldn't mind his take.

bye Marco and I am not being mean but I hope your pay-off is minimal.

Hope we get the next appointment right.

Good luck Dunc, I have no idea what to expect but please be a good surprise, at least get the team looking as if most of them give a toss beyond Digne and Richarlison.

On the one hand, as DoF Brands surely, as he does with every player position, has a list of alternative managers to draft in if needed.

Possibly the delay in sacking Silva earlier was due to ill-preparedness of this crisis and the non-existence of such a list, or names on the list either not being interested when approached, or interested but not immediately available.

That the immediately available David Moyes has not already been announced as the new 'permanent' manager is encouraging on two levels:

1) that it isn't David Moyes!
2) that Moshiri and Brands are not looking at an Allardyce-like caretaker appointment to the end of this season only, but taking the bolder step - as Spurs did - of making a long-term appointment NOW.

The spectre of a Moyes return is still not 100% ruled out, but for the time being it is at least diminished.

I'll cling on to that for the time being.

Give it the full hair dryer and lets rip them a new one

I just hope that Brands gets on a plane to Argentina and brings back Gallardo and Palacious.

I doubt that personally.

Tony, resign and sue for constructive dismissal. Kenwright would not be letting him do his job.

As Eugene Ruane points out, though,, none of us has the faintest.

Have we dropped so far ?

Fergusson and Moyes are all we hear about as the future although we all know they are creatures of the past !

Martin @ 138 -

No one isn't saying we aren't a shit-show presently. I think, and I speak only for myself but conjecture and all that, people are just so giddy it's NOT Moyes, there's an air of optimism.

No matter how faint, you cling to it.

Unless he is buisy elsewhere buying a new pair of kecks.

I can think of three to four million reasons per annum that statement is false.

Next Everton manager from SportNation.bet
David Moyes: 4/5
Eddie Howe: 2/1
Rafa Benitez: 10/1
Mikel Arteta: 10/1
Mark Hughes: 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino: 16/1
Chris Wilder: 20/1
David Unsworth: 25/1
Marcelino: 25/1
Phil Neville: 33/1

A few undesirables in this list but 16/1 seems good odds to me if you wanted to take a punt.

I've wanted Marcelino at Everton since his days at Villarreal. For those wondering about his style, the most simple way to put it is it's somewhat akin to Someone, which has made me opine for a while that he's the Spanish manager who would likely most easily adapt to the Prem.
Marcelino knows how to get the best from his attacking players, but, importantly, he also priorities defensive solidity and tracking back as a unit. That makes his teams hard to break down while offering the threat of quick and ruthless counters.

I think more than being a journeyman, his record suggests steady progress over the years and demonstrates that he's learned and adapted accordingly. For those weary of his taking over under this board, it's important to know that the Valencia board has also for years been shambolic under Peter Lim, yet Marcelino went in, steadied the ship, got them into the Champion League, and won a cup on the first time of asking. Would he be a gamble? Yes, as would anyone. Would he be a Messiah? I can't promise that. But I do think he would at the very least be a steady hand, which we desperately need right now.

But, he had to go.

Take some time and please God get 'the one' that turns this supertanker of shite around.

Who that guy is, I have no more idea than Moshiri.

- Gallardo (probably not)

- Benitez (reasonable chance)

- Arteta (probs bit too soon)

- Jesus (probably a bit too late - but may wants to resurrect a career in Europe)

- Marcelino (probably would have the job by now already if he wanted it or we wanted him)

- my favourite Bruno Genesio, who doesn't yet make the betting odds

I kind of want Dyche but he's wrong for the DoF model, wrong for the squad and has a disc beard, as those who listen to Athletico Mince will know.

I'm sure Silva didn't fail deliberately to make you look or sound stupid. Which is what you're doing right here right now.

Alternatively, installing Dunc as interim could be a bargaining chip - if a prospective manager tries to take us for a ride on salary (when have we ever been taken for a ride?!), we'll just suggest we'll give the job to Dunc.

All the best to Silva. As others have stated he seemed a nice guy just a little out of his depth. He shall get another job soon just not in the Premier League.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO to MOYES!

If it was him then it would have been announced as he has not worked since 2018 at West Ham.

Yes he's been absolutely brilliant at coaching the forwards

What a waste of space

Why is he still there ?

Big Dunc caretaker. Spot on... Beat Chelsea on Saturday... We'll see.

FFS, let's have a slice of good luck please – we are due some. COYB

Shhhhhh. Don't ruin it. Quiet now.

I blame the players (some of whom have seen off four managers now)

Anyway, let's see what the spineless bastards can do now under the next manager.

You could have Klopp, pep, arsene and sir Alex and it would still be a disaster

Everton is the worst run club in the division albeit with the most loyal fans

Not gonna happen, but a guy can dream.

If only.

In any case, Brands should go, along with his role as DoF. It isn't working. It rarely works well.

I want the new manager to manage the squad.

Shitbags the lot who work for the club.

Normally I'd agree with you.

But given the circumstances, the Old Lady might be a bit more raucous than usual for a lunch time KO.

As an earlier poster pointed out, if nothing else, the crowd need to make it very, VERY clear:

'Anybody but Moyes.'

If we get Ten Hag, I sincerely believe he would transform the side into a Top 4 contender.

And anyone who's watched Ajax play and doesn't enjoy it is probably a miserable person. The brand of football is wonderful.

It's a pipe dream probably, but oh my word I'd be over the moon if it happened.

What now, if we could get a squad together that were of true top 6 quality players we might stand a chance. We cant though can we, if they were of that quality they wouldn't be at Goodison.
We need to stop kidding ourselves and stop looking at the players through blue tinted glasses.

That's another manager gone, as I've said before that's the current Belgium and Dutch managers who seem to be doing perfectly ok since leaving us, an ex England manager who got us up the table, and Unsworth who couldn't get a tune out of the players we had.
Now we've sacked Silva who was doing well at the end of last season, but guess what, we sell our best player and then don't replace our best defender.

Its become an embarrassing farce.

Seriously, it's making the best of an atrocious situation, that in true Everton fashion has not been foreseen or managed. There is no sign of Everton actually having a candidate or two in mind. Have Arteta and Howe been sounded out and said no way?

We don't know and possibly never will, but at one of the busiest times of the season we are in limbo. Whoever is actually running the show Moshiri? Brands? Kenwright (God forbid)? needs to sort out this chaos very quickly before we are in the Championship.

You're a good person.

I don't think many are wishing Marco ill-will. Most will wish him well.

His tactics, selections, and in-game decisions did him in, in the end.

Look at it this way. It is indeed a sad day, all things considered. But Marco was given every single opportunity and the (too much?!) time to prove himself. He was employed by a Club that clearly doesn't favor the merry-go-round, and one that is definably fair to their manager; giving them every opportunity to succeed and win over the fans.

In the end, he had to go.

Another manager, another transition. More players coming and going because they weren't their signings.

We are now potentially going to have a squad built under 5 different managers. Madness.

Listened to Alan Meyers talking sense about Ferguson, saying how he's matured and how much passion he has got for Everton, and hopefully he can do a good job in desperate circumstances.

Sad for Silva, who has definitely been let down by Brands this summer, but like Meyers said, Everton is different, and I personally think Marco's sulking, and his refusal to try and make the most of what he had, instead of going with same old, same old, has also played a massive part in his dismissal?

Silva should have gone after the Norwich game, so the appointment of Ferguson still really worries me, because Duncan was available then, and Marco was definitely already finished after that debacle, but it's one game at a time for a club in our position, so good luck on Saturday Duncan lad!

If they offered me the job I'd fucking take it in a flash. I think that should be enough for us to at least get behind the bloke.

Duncan is obviously not the long term answer but we need to get behind him and the team to try and get some points.

Our fans also need to get the message out to the Board that we don't want Moyes back ever

Shame on the owner and board.

I can't imagine him ever having a flowing conversation with Silva given the scottish accent and Silvas mumbling English?

Now we have a man that will at least have a good section of the crowd with him and instill some passion into the stadium, all around.

Well said Karen. Great post.

As for Moyes' career post Everton I think he has only been sacked twice at Utd and Real Soc. Both the Sunderland and West Ham jobs were on short term contracts where the clubs declined to take up the option of making the jobs permanent. Utd was always going to be a difficult job as events have proved. Sunderland was a very sick club and consecutive relegation confirmed this. and just look at the state of West Ham!

It will be interesting to see who else is on the coaching bench on Saturday.

Or maybe they offered interim to Unsie first, who declined. "You didn't think I was good enough last time..."

Think he'd take the Arsenal gig but probably not ours to be honest. He's better off with the massive wedge in china, the adulation of the fans and giving Rafa a lesson on how to manage a team.

DF could turn out to be a huge revelation and one of the most successful managers of all time.

Alternatively, he could turn out to be awful.

Only time will tell and, to be fair to him, he has to be allowed several games to try to begin to put right what has been so wrong at the club for at least 18 months.

I assume most of the people moaning about him on this site never witnessed the sheer presence he brought to the team. I know he's not the best forward we've ever seen, but I'll challenge anyone to find one with a bigger blue heart.

Obviously he wasn't good enough but a little unlucky with injuries but players are playing below their standard either because they don't undersrand, don't care, don't want to work for him.

Never wanted, won't miss him (unless a 'Sam anti-football' comes in) but why now? I'd have got rid last month or given him a month.

Moshiri doesn't get it. He wont have a manager lined up and we're left in limbo through a tough, busy period. I'm surprised Unsy wasn't given it to be honest. He's at least got more experience of managing.

Sadly like every other manager in sure Schnides will be back in the starting line up. Good bloody luck Dunc, you'll need it.

I have little doubt that Marco Silva will be back in Management soon...………………………………………probably McDonalds!

Does anyone know the severance package for Marco, or was it by mutual consent with a sweetener to help him to the Airport?

Christmas tree formation, 'tis the season. 80% of our attack down the left.

Everton 6, Chelsea 1. Dunc is carried off the field. Kean hat trick.

We all needed putting out of our misery, Marco included.

Unless it turns out that Marco has someone ready, then it has to be an interim appointment and Notes would be as good as anybody. We need a pragmatist right now.

Then it's down to Marcel. He doesn't have any kind of excuse for failing next time. When the players and the coach are selected under his watch - he's accountable.

Currently needs to be able to steer a 'big club ' from relegation.

Initially needs to be able to set a team up to be hard to beat and organised.

Ideally with plenty of experience of premier league football.

Even better if he's a 'winner'. As in won trophies with big clubs in different European leagues.

Only one possible solution .

Rafa Benitez

It's true Everton have spent loads of money during Silva's short reign, but he was definitely sold short in key positions, and this might be a worry for any serious minded manager, Everton, might be interested in, because it's definitely the first question I would ask the Everton board, if I was a manager and the club was showing an interest in me!

Lets hope Zouma has a stinker.

I know you will remember this one Steve for all the negative bores already having a go at Ferguson.

He worked as Striker coach under Koeman right? And Lukaku, who had a great season, often commented that Duncan put on some really good drills in training.

The hate and negative comments already make me fume. This is a man that is actually hungry for the job and was bred into becoming as passionate an ex player now supporter you will get and may just be a very good coach for all we know?

Been there, done that, got the Tee-shirt.

Jamie took the words right out my mouth - I agree with you and like how you said it. I too, hoped he could get some breaks. He didn't.

I just can't come up with a valid excuse for numerous, bizarre, in-game (in-)decisions.

I wish him well. In time, I hope I remember him more for the run at the end of last season than the darker times, but he wasn't good enough for the task in front of him.

I wish big Dunc all the best for his games in charge. Let the Grand Ol' Lady rock on Saturday. He'll need it. The players need it to give them confidence, and the fans need it to lift our spirits.

Silva seemed like an affable guy and had charm, but he was out of his depth at Everton and was a huge gamble that never paid off. Hopefully Moshiri now realises just how hard it is to pick a successful manager and will leave the decision to others more qualified.

Cheers for the Tip lad I will head straight down to the bookies ;)

A lot on here could see he was a bad appointment from the off.. people are right to criticise his lack of ability. It was laid bare for all to see.

It's not as if hes huddling around a barrel fire on a picket line ffs.. the man is minted for life for failing abysmally. He deserves no sympathy whatsoever.. or malice for that matter... just plain, cold facts.

As for the appointment of Duncan..good on him.. at least it means I get to watch Everton for at least one more time. Because if Moyes comes back, that's it for me.

Pickford
Coleman Keane holgate Digne
Davies Delph
Walcott Sigurdsson Richarlison
Calvert-Lewin

Assuming Delph is fit. Can't see him playing Schneiderlin after their past issue.

Also some of the performances he put in after major operations make him a winner to me.

Tim Cahill got no medals and I think he is a winner too. The same mentality from 10 others and talented team mates get you medals.

I have been an Evertonian for over seventy years. I saw them relegated. I dislike what is happening just as much as any supporter in the world. I am relieved that Silva has gone. I wish the very best for anyone who takes over, but whatever happens I will always be delighted to be an Evertonian. Get right behind team. True loyalty is measured by being tough when times are also tough.Just STOP feeling sorry for yourself!!!

Slaven Billic left West Ham in such a state of ill discipline they turned to Moyes to steady the ship

No way

With the ginger one not wishing to take over until after the Manu game, he's asked the big man to hold the fort until after that 'embarrassing fixture' is out of the way.

Brands will be the next to go as Davey demands total control with 'softead'Kenwright back as his ' consigliere'. Now we are going places . …………….

Bilic would of been in my top 3 picks... that's if we are talking long term as l don't want any manager that's currently employed. All the shit, the expense and generally it shouldn't be allowed... till the end of the season.

The early kick-off covered by BT 1 and Bein 11 HD, could just generate a decent atmosphere which has been a bit dull recently under Silva.

COYB

Sky reporting that we are chasing Vitor Pereira - who's he?

I'm not a fan of Ferguson at all. But there's positives I'm not going to deny. And it is a shrewder move in the short term than Unsworth as he is ready to go.

Another big one is Duncan is no shrinking violet and can sort out the rifts in the dressing room. Anyone not putting a shift in will be told so. I hope just not overly so.

He's also not afraid of the big personalities and hopefully he can put them in their place. Which is why I think he will go with British where he can (ie those good enough to be in the equation).

Edit: sorry silva replaced him.

Can't believe some of the comments slagging him off before his first game. I hope he does well because his Everton supporting children will be watching.

So happy Silva has gone. Such relief.

100% behind Duncan for Saturday.

I feel like an Evertonian again... COYB.

So matey, get your facts straight before you come wading in with your size 60 boots to attack other posters opinions.

I'm not saying potter should be appointed. But he's one to watch. A very interesting English manager, with foreign experience, and fresh ideas. I'd be very interested to see how Brighton do by the end of the season.

Basic message Silva was hard done by - inherited a huge bunch of slow, less than average performers, slow defenders, slow overcomplicated transition midfielders and poor finishers. He has recruited well with Digne, Richarlison and Gomes, but Mina, Iwobi, Delph are again bang average players. Kean is a totally unknown.
Silva's football style, built on the Klopp, Guardiola models of needing high press, quick transition is totally impossible with the squad we have. We have good stats in we restrict teams to a small number of shots, we develop high number of attacking potential. But due to slow defenders caught out with through balls, and poor finishers and slow transistion midfield players then we end up where we belong. Its a complete mess. a system with players who just cant perform to that system. Strange message - Pickford isn't as good as made out, concedes far too many goals for small number of shots and doesn't command his box at all. Jewel in the crown Richarlison !!!

Silva's fault yes, you should develop a playing style which suit what you've got, which with the squad we have is should be a back 5, a midfield 4 with 2 sitting in, 1 attacker and as at Leicester keep it tight, try and snatch a goal. BUT don't give the ball away so cheaply as we do.

Put it all together and hey ho - bye bye Marco. Who's next to manage this below average bunch of players

Your post is littered with supposition and guesses (he gave it his all.. dedicated etc blah).. its also replete with sympathy, despite your protestations.

I fundamentally disagree with your suggestion that he deserves our best wishes.. he doesn't. He deserved sacked. Theres too much mawkish crap at this club and we are worse off for it.

That's my opinion.. and attack it if you feel like it. That's what it's there for.

The high defensive line vs Liverpool was an utter shambles, they had so much space to use. Probably a Silva cock up, unless Sidibe decided he was best suited to an attacking role, leaving Mane with the freedom of the park.

Anyway tonight's games have pushed Brighton and Newcastle away from us. Just hope there's a Big Dunc Bounce on Saturday

1. Anyone

Feel sorry more silva, but he just could not adapt his play style to suit what he had available.

Don't care who we get (within reason) just as long as we get out of bottom 3 and they have some passion. If that's a Moyes then so be it. We have years of rebuilding ahead of us and no top manager is going to come anywhere near us.

Build the stadium and get stability back then dare to dream. Alternatively we can sit in the championship and claim we are a big club.

Sad times but some realism needs to come now followed by stability

This must infer that Marcel Brands hasn't succeeded and is on borrowed time.

Which in turn surely must mean that Denise Barret-Baxendale is accountable.

Except that, DBB doesn't even know who Neville Southall is. So, how in hell can she provide Executive Direction to MB or MS for that matter ?

Ahhhhh, because Widow Twanky calls her "Little Miss Dynamite". And thereby we solve the Everton conundrum.

BK belongs in the era of Doug Ellis, Peter Swayles, Bob Lord and Jack Walker. The erea of "pounds, shillings and pence", not the era of BILLIONS.

Get shut of Widow Twanky and DBB. Bring in Nicola Cortese who turned Southampton around with full support of Markus Liebherr.

Nicola Cortese Link

He is the man that Everton need, and fast !

Anyway, that doesn't matter. Silva is gone. I hope it's all him. I really do. Then we fly up the league and get back in the race for the top 6.

Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd are not out of sight if we can be free of the mistakes.

We are still in two cups this season, what we want is SILVERWARE.

The league rebuild is a different matter. Ask Joe Royle.

I would definitely have to break the spell for the last game at Goodison, but even then I wouldn't go in, if it meant our winning spell would come to an end, an that is how much I genuinely love my team, and why I'm so desperate for our younger loyal fans to have a little taste of success.

Tony 342 i get that too mate. I always think of the youngsters and how the other lot are leaving us for dead on this FFP era.

Silva was a Moshiri appointment; he can't very well blame Brands for that.

The fact they are even talking about the idea of Periera, I mean why just why?

It's just Marco mark 2 isn't it?

Madcap the lot of them.

Everything to play for the next few games

Thanks Mike@319, wasn't having a go with my question, just further confirmation, that football is being totally over complicated, and Klopp must have been laughing his head off, because although Silva changed his system, he was still asking his players to do things they are clearly not suited to, and any Evertonian could have told you this?

Porto were returned to greatness and taken to new heights by Mourinho. Mourinho left and the Champions League Champions were ravaged by vultures and did not retain the title. They then rebuilt and won it the next year, and the next and the next and so on. 5 titles in a row and then they skipped a year, sacking the manager and hiring AVB, who hired Pereira as his assistant. AVB wins the league and the UEFA Cup and is immediately declared the new Mourinho and moves to Chelsea. Pereira stepped up to the hot seat.

Porto at this time had Hulk, Joao Moutinho, and of course Falcao, but he left before Pereira got going. Pereira won back to back titles, so Porto won 3 in a row. But Pereira failed in Europe with early exits and this did not go down well. Pereira flirted with Everton at this time, 2013 Link Not sure exactly what happened but we ended up with Martinez and Pereira went to Saudi Arabia.

Then he was in Greece the season after Silva, but between him and Michel, they failed to replicate Silva's record breaking season where they won the league by 30 points and a Europe record number of consecutive wins.

Now here's what gives me the most concern. Remember how much Porto was winning the league from Mourinho's time and then five in a row and a bad season was going a year without a title? Well Pereira left Porto as champions but they didn't win the league again for five seasons, until 2018. Olympiacos had won 7 consecutive titles when Pereira left, they won the next one and haven't won it since. Sure, he will say he won, he was a Champion and the next guy failed. But he failed to repeat the success of the guys before him to the level they did it, and the one after him struggled further.

Next he went to Turkey, not so sure about Turkey and Fener are a basketcase club, but he didn't win anything. His last European club was the second club of Munich, 1860, where he had a 30% win record and lasted 20 games.

He's won two titles in China. I know nothing about China, but I do recall a match fixing scandal and ever since I've been dismissive of their league.

Anyway, I do know Portuguese football, or rather I did, and this was the period and this guy is not good enough.

Not sure on exactly how they do it but I believe in low volume markets they lay and back pre arranged prices with each other to pull the market one way or the other. They then drag a more likely types odds up at the high street and bet there, using money they've received for laying the false favorites they've framed in the BetFair markets. They also have multiple twitter accounts to plant stories and start whispers.

TLDR - keep an eye on the betting markets on next manager, they're variable sketchy and rarely accurate due to manipulation by small syndicates. If a couple of guys I met in Spain on holiday were doing this then it's not exactly difficult, expensive or otherwise hard to do.

They would certainly bring passion and style, which has been sadly lacking for too long.

I take it you watch their teams play week in week out and understand what they will bring to Everton then..

... we're all ears.

I doubt Gallardo dropped out of the running after having talks because he has unfinished business in Argentina, more likely the European money is calling him, and of course the chance to test himself against the best.

The question is does he wait for Barcelona, or does he go for someone like Everton. I think we can get him, and he won't break the bank. Hopefully he brings his key defensive midfielder with him.

I was hopeful for Silva the way we finished last season and then it turned to shit. The loss of Gana didn't help but as others have pointed out he lost his brain when his Portuguese buddy got a job back home and Boa Morte is more like a lobotomy. Lets see how things work out without these two.

If Ten Hag isn't going to Bayern, I say get him ASAP.

The club has got to get the next managerial appointment right on so many fronts.

Paramount for me is that it cannot be a divisive figure with the fans. We need someone the overwhelming majority can unite behind. It must be someone credible, inspirational who - as Paul Tran keeps repeating - is a fire starter, not a fire fighter.

They are out there. It's primarily Brands job to find one and Moshiri's job to sign it off and fund it.

Silva did something remarkable in Portugal with Estoril. Truly remarkable, and it is not forgotten and probably won't be for some time. Famalicão are not Estoril. They are not a little provincial club on the bones of their arse. They are Hoffenheim. They are a small club bought by a rich consortium. The main guy is Jorge Mendes, the agent who runs Portuguese football, and has an interest in Wolves. Famalicão are a vehicle for Mendes players. Sporting, with their nutcase former president went to war with Mendes and refused to sign his players and tried to get them all to drop him, and the ones they had left for Wolves when the President supposedly, allegedly, got the fans to attack the players and Jorge Jesus left as a result.

Famalicão was Mendes fighting back at the Portugese efforts to shut him down. It's not plucky Estoril fighting against the establishment with no money, no stars and supposedly no hope. It's a provincial club flooded with Mendes players, putting them in the shop window, so he can sell them and make a profit. Joao Pedro Sousa is doing a fine job in gelling these guys together, and made a great start. But don't call him Silva's brain, that he was not. His sounding board and his right hand man, for sure. But don't elevate him beyond what he was.

Billionaire owner still at the helm.

Still in two cup competitions.

Not too late to turn the season around.

RS may have done us a huge favour.

Marcelo Gallardo is currently River Plate's most successful manager and has won virtually all there is to win, plus his team play with skill and are a joy to the eye. He would be a breath of fresh air and doesn't suffer fools or complacency.

Similarly Jorge Jesus at Flamengo, is the older and more experienced of the two, and again plays a brand of Football that the fans would relish. He is also somewhat of a character and can't keep still on the touchline or technical Area.

He is Portuguese and has managed many Cubs with much Silverware and League Championships in Europe.

I'm amazed there isn't a formal transfer marker for managers.
You get what you pay for and Everton have not spent nearly enough on a manager in its history. Time for that to change and if it means blowing FFP then so what? We'd get a fine and it's not like we'd ever make Europe.

It's how I follow Sporting ;)

Well done Farhad but hopefully soon, for your sake and ours, you identify and obliterate the poison within Finch Farm that continues to confound you, Ryanetsov, and all the investment from your boss Usmanov, as well as potential funding organisations for BMD.

The poison always provides the barrenness that terminates the next hugely expensive manager you have to sack but still you blunder on, with the poison in your ear too. You seem to never realise what it is.

If you're still wondering, just ponder who led you to appoint Duncan Fucking Ferguson for even one fucking match.

Jesus H!

The fans at goodison need to lift the roof now. Make the atmosphere unpleasant for the away team. The place has become a library and away teams love it. It's gives them a chance to play and get results. The fans need to get vocal to lift the players. Forget the next manager and concentrate on getting behind the team.

To be honest after reading your insights I thought you would of known about him already. Thanks for the energy recently, some of the things have been good to read but it's Time to take the poster down now mate.

He's interim against Chelsea for 1 game. Maybe a few others if he does well allowing Brands to find a better long term replacement (would be my guess).

He has NOT been sold as the solution.

We've lost enough with Silva in charge so lets get behind Duncan (for his very short stint) and the team otherwise sacking Silva and still losing games makes us look even more stupid.

I apologise, Don't ever change, passion is a beautiful thing.

Constructive criticism is perfectly acceptable but vilification of members of the board of directors and possible managerial candidates is indefensible

Retention of premiership status is of the utmost importance and the focus should be on supporting Duncan Ferguson and the team against Chelsea

I'm aware of Potter. There's a lot written about him. I enjoyed the stories on the Athletic about the team building activities and so on.

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I like to read about tactics and coaching and Michael Cox has written a few things. He's a very intriguing manager. It was a bold appointment and not one I would have encouraged Everton to consider. But if he has a great season at Brighton, proving himself at this level, would it then be possible for us to poach him? Which is why I think he's one to keep an eye on.

The other British managers, other than Wilder, that intrigue me at the moment at the Cowley brothers. They were at Lincoln earlier this season when we played them in the League Cup and last season in the FA Cup. They joined Huddersfield and after a tough couple of first games, they got them going, only to stall in the last 4 games or so. They are certainly a pair to keep an eye out for. They have PE teacher backgrounds and have worked their way up through the pyramid and are still relatively young. Danny is the manager, and his brother Nicky is the assistant.

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Kenwright is a devious aul fart.. I consider that constructive criticism..

Is that ok? If not, why not?

When the news eventually came through I punched the air and shouted "YES" with more enthusiasm than I've celebrated any of our goals this season. He was that bad, just looking at his miserable face, standing on the touch line in that ridiculous flasher mac was enough to raise my hackles and put me in a bad mood.

It feels like Christmas has come early and I'm heartily glad to see the back of him.

As to the future, we all know that our board are like a dysfunctional family on heavy doses of mogadon, so I don't expect any high profile revelation any time soon from them. Having said that, whoever they appoint, (including David Moyes), will receive my support in order to drag us out of the mess we're in, because someone has to do the job, and if anyone expects any of the big names being bandied about to want to come here to take over the shambles created by Moshiri and Co, think again. We're not an attractive proposition for any 'name' at present, so we're going to have to take who we can get, and get behind them, swallow the medicine as foul as it might taste, add a large dose of reality and see what happens next.ts

Silva's gone, so let's try and be optimistic about the next manager, at least until we can see tge first few results coming in. We need points and we need our fans to help rebuild Fortress Goodison. It can be done, but only if we all pull together.

Onwards and upwards my friends.

The Crowley brothers are definitely worth keeping an eye on, I know a few supporters who would have loved them at West Ham and Watford. Huddersfield were 10 unbeaten recently until I put them in an accumulator.

I played a few games under Gary Johnson and have followed his son Lee's progress at Bristol city. For me he is another manager who has a fresh approach and is a far better bet than the “British managers lunch time club” (if you've not listened to it it's what has kept me going through hard times, look up atletico mince it's an absolute genius podcast)

You will always get a call of “no premier league experience” “ hasn't won anything” blah blah but I think the lower leagues have very good options who would do a better job than the “destroy and exit” brigade of washed up Uk managers.

With regards to Potter we would only get him if we were top 6, he's earning his “premier league” experience already.

For the day that is in it, I want to commend and thank you for your support of Marco during his time here. Your knowledge of his past coaching achievements and optimism that he would do a good job for us, kept me going many times when I doubted his ability.

Maybe you are right and with a better group of players he can be successful in the future. I wish him all the best.

Either way, we are about to find out over the next few months how much of this was down to Silva, and how much is down to the players.

Silva had to go for sure, but a combination of bad recruitment over a number of years by various managers, and a difficult run of injuries, has left us in a very dangerous position in a season where many of the teams in the bottom half of the table seem capable of beating the usual Top 6 quite frequently.

Worrying times.

Potter is certainly doing too well for us now, if he keeps it up, and come the summer he can expect to get a great job. but he also seems the type to be loyal and give Brighton a few years.

Athletico Mince - was that Bob Mortimer? Think I listened to something like that but I find Bob a bit too strange for my tastes.

Brian - thanks for that. I hope that Silva was really the worst manager ever, because having lanced that boil, we will bounce right up the table and with Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs still stuttering, we are not out of the race for the top 6 as 7 points is nothing at this stage of the season if you can get a run going.

Question: who will be Duncan's assistant? Alan Stubbs appears to be out of work.

The one constant on these boards over the reign of the late king was been the constant voice of his biggest advocate, Steve Ferns. Contrary to what Steve Ferns may think, I hold no animosity towards him, but could never fathom out his undying faith in what most could see as a loser.

Steve Ferns appears to have seen something in Silva that not many Tws recognised, he has been steadfast in his support for the man and has posted more verbiage in his praise. than any other. His loyalty has been admirable, if not ill-founded, his opposition to a Moyes appointment is one I share, his apparent knowledge of all things 'soccer' is supposed to impress - but not all are impressed.

I will no longer venture to cast doubt on Steve Ferns, extraordinary knowledge or criticise his plethora of daily posts on each and every subject that is discussed on these pages. After sixty years of supporting the blues, many as a Season Ticket holders I can honestly say that my disappointment in all things EFC are at an all time low and my cancellation of both Auto Cup (!) and Season Ticket are a demonstration of my total disgust at the way this club is being managed.

Steve Ferns, you have many more years than I have to come up with support for whoever follows your buddy Silva. I wish you well I have read a large majority of your posts, not agreed with many but cannot argue with your conviction, right or wrong.

It's way past my bedtime, I am long past caring about who or when or how Everton fare, I've had my fill. I do agree that Moyes is not the answer, nor is Ferguson!.

I am with you 100% in that I fail to understand why Marco Silva was head-hunted, and further bewildered as to why with his Track Record, he was given a 3 year Contract.

For fear of repeating myself why couldn't he have been given an initial Contract with an incentives clause, by that I mean, prove you are the right man for the job and your Contract will not only improved but extended.

If that had prudently been the case, not only with Silva but all the previous incumbents, massive compensation packages would have been minimised and perhaps made them focus more on the job in hand.

Oh I almost forgot the Agents Factor, who is always after the very best deal for his client, of which he has a peripheral interest in profiting from himself.

I can't think of many other jobs where failure is handsomely rewarded, surely if they fail miserably in the duty they have been entrusted to do, they are in Breach of Contract. I have no doubt that someone will know a bit more about the intricacies of Football Manager's Contracts than I do.

It's all water under the proverbial bridge now, so we move on, and hope that Big Dunc can fashion some results, so we can get clear of the brown stuff, and head towards the rarified air of the top half of the Table.

I was only a kid at Newmarket town then but Gary Johnson was full of passion and invention, he certainly knew his own mind. it was different back then though. Steve you wouldn't get away with telling elite players home truths now. He did really well at Cambridge Utd straight after and ended up managing Latvia!

I watched Ryan Ledson a bit when he was at Cambridge Utd and he was so much better than the rest on the pitch it was sometimes laughable yet he was coached by Sean Derry. An awful journeyman player then manager who never had the break that the lunch club managers got. Against Carlisle (who were down to 9 men with 30 mins left) instructed his defence to bypass midfield (and Ledson) to hit aimless balls centrally forward where his 5ft6 forward battled with 6 footers, he didn't once alter this “game plan” it finished as a draw.

Please don't tell me you're referring to Steve Ferns?!?!

Nice guy, loves Everton but really poor judgement and cannot offer an objective opinion

His support of Silva, despite the evidence, was ridiculous - it literately made no sense - it stood up to zero resilience and zero robustness

Let's please start using our own acumen and literally judging what we see before us. If we see Kean score zero goals in 4 months let's say he's one for the future rather ‘start him every game'

If we see Pickford give up goal after goal after goal, please let's call it out and say he's crap rather than he's great

And if we see the likes of Lukaku or Ritchie scoring goals for us let's please value them and laud them rather than pretend we are better off without because we really aren't

We're crap. We really are. No other team fails to beat their neighbours for 10 years and fails to beat them away in 20 years. We are crap and we need to understand where we are and build from there rather than the useless delusions of gradueur

Right now, if it suited Klopp to be out of the FA Cup, he actually couldn't pick a team that would lose to us in January. Just think about that for a few moments.

Klopp can't give the FA Cup game away to us in Jan because we are that useless

What a sad pathetic state of affairs

And we think we're too good for Mitrovic etc. Good God. We are so deluded

We are not attractive to the big names, if we where Pochetinno's agent would be hammering the door down on Moshiri's office.

We will attract a middle of the road safe manager like Howe or an unproven foreign name with a track record in the lower continental leagues.

I personally don't give a shit anymore, after 58 years of supporting this club they have sucked the very life out of me. I swear I couldn't give a rats arse if we went down anymore, that's how I feel at the moment.

Maybe then this circus would stop, BK is still the ringmaster and is leading the rest of the board a merry dance.

Except for Barret Baxendale who admitted she knows nothing about the running of a football club but still ended up on the board.

You couldn't fucking make it up if you tried.

The one of interest though is Bruno Mendes. Bruno had never worked with Silva before Everton. He is Mr Benfica Lab. Which, and you'll all laugh, is about injury prevention and conditioning. So yeah, not gone well so far. But the results at Benfica were meant to be amazing which is why Silva convinced us to hire him and his guys. I hope Brands can assess them and if they are worth it, keep them.

Riley @61 you talking about the Lookman who has 131 minutes in 13 games for Leipzig? Hopefully he's trying to convince yet another manager that he's worth more than training pitch exercises instead of laughing. And you called Steve stupid? Mad, that.

Bobby @129 tbf there were plenty of grips about Silva before he coached his first match too.

Bill @177 I'm completely with you. I think whoever is announced in the coming weeks will speak volumes. If it's a Moyes or whatever, it'll be clear that it's still Kenwright driving the ship. If it's an exciting, progressive-minded manager who's better aligned with the squad we're building (not the dinosaurs who no longer want to be here), it'll be clear it's Brands. I can't imagine Moshiri will do anything but rubber stamp whichever voice wins. Even he must realize he's not good at this and someone else has to choose. If it looks like a Kenwright man, Brands should be on the phone to his lawyer to get out of his contract and head to a club with a clue.

Danny @184 "Brands should go, along with his role as DoF. It isn't working. It rarely works well." Why is the most ignorant are always the loudest?

Karen @191 *clap* one of the sanest, and classiest comments here.

Steve @280 are you taking the piss because Silva got fired? That's the worst fucking XI imaginable.

Mark @329 atta boy, mate, that's the spirit. The list of people who couldn't run an alleyway card game, let alone a £1b business grows by the moment.

Alright I ran out of steam. Who mentioned Ten Heg? lol - Ajax told Bayern they'd have to wait until summer to open discussions, so naturally they'll altar that position for us. Who wouldn't?

I hope Brands quits and Evertonians get what they're wishing for.

If Silva did his best, and from what you hear he certainly put the hours in, then he almost certainly couldn't be held to be in breach of his contact.
Yes, in football failure can be richly rewarded but that is no different to the higher echelons of business and commerce. For example, if Tesco continued to underperform and lose market share the CEO would swiftly be shipped out with a very generous compensation package.
It's only us plebs who get sacked and end up at the Jobcentre.

The taxpayer funded their bonuses, and the bail out of their banks, to the tune of 10s of £billions and have suffered years of cuts to services as a reward. You really couldn't make it up!

"Thanks for everything, teacher! Especially for the care and attention that made me grow and become better in every way. I will never forget everything you did for me. I'll always be in the crowd."

EDIT: I just saw there was an entire post dedicated to this. Whoops - LOL.

Brands to Moshiri - if Moyes comes where do I fit in ? It will be constructive dismissal and I'll want a huge pay off to go quietly.

Moshiri to BK and MB - Let me think about it. That fella who was putting the cones out today give it to him for now he appeared to know what he was doing.

Moshiri to himself - Time to sell and get the hell out of this accursed place.

Interesting to see the players and their messages – including Richarlison, Mina, Bernard, Digne – basically a list of the better players under his reign.

Personally, on watching us hammer Man Utd at Goodison Park, I was hoping for good things, but it wasn't to be.

So the club is more or less in the same position post-Koeman and post-Martinez.

Good Luck, Marco – you really tried and for that I give you credit.

Do New Caretaker's get New Caretaker Bounce? How high will it be?

Is there a decent 11 in the whole Club for Dunc to stumble upon? Will he make a statement and drop people, will one of them be Pickford?

Is anybody in a blue shirt... and I don't mean from Chelsea, even arsed?

12:30 kick-off; rise and shine, up and at 'em lads and lasses, get plenty of Pernod (or whatever) on those cornflakes, then go down and give em what for. Show them what they can do with the script for their Sky / BBC, pro RS, anti-Everton agenda.

George McKane's preamble should be interesting, there will be some gems I'm sure.

The game's afoot: Follow your spirit, and upon this charge. Cry 'God for Harry Catterick, Everton and Saint Domingo'

Like George, 4-0 sounds good for me too. (These are shite!)

Back home at the weekend!

ToffeeWeb seems to be a different place nowadays; but I always look out for the following people's posts as they are detailed, informative and I like what they have to say: Steve Ferns, Kevin Prytherch, Mark Guglielmo and Christy Ring, so thank you to the 'new brigade', I spend an awful lot of time reading your stuff - Steve Ferns, I have no idea where you find the time to work!!

I have to take issue with Riley's comments against Mr Ferns, no doubt said in jest I'm sure, but Steve's posts are well researched and well written, so I don't see the need to lay into him. I actually agree with a lot of what Steve has written; Everton were not far away under Marco Silva, Steve's post on stats about chances created, chances not given up etc made the point very well; and I don't think I need to say any more than what is written in Lyndon's latest article, it sums up Silva's time brilliantly; I actually do feel a bit sorry for him, but ultimately the results did for him, and now it's time to move on.

Sadly for me, this is another lost season, one which promised so much after the end of last season and what looked like an easy run of fixtures for the beginning of this season; but we are, where we are; game by game it is for me now, starting with Chelsea at home on Saturday; I'm sure the roar of Goodison for Duncan leading out the team will send us on to victory, and let's just hope the board make the right decision for our next appointment.

Look at the infighting between Everton fans above. I attribute all that to Kenwright.
The irony is that Kenwright claims to be an Everton fan. He's not. He's only interested in money.

I admit I'm obsessed.

Time to hire more planes because nothing will change until he's gone.

Ps Ferguson is Kenwright's lackey and needs firing instead of being the default manager.
Brands needs firing too. He's a disaster.
Don't be surprised if they use the manager malarkey as the excuse for “forgetting “ to put in for planning.

I'm with you on the Ferguson thing mate. It absolutely beats me how some people are actually touting him as manager, on a full-time basis. Why? On what grounds... by which way of thinking?

Strange!

Since Moyes was tempted away, neither party has enjoyed any success (in fact, quite the opposite).

I'm not saying Moyes' Everton were fantastic. In fact, I was glad that he left. But with Moyes, Everton had a cohesive spirit, chemistry, grit, defensively solid, with sparks of flare. When we finished 4th, I remember a run of games where we kept conceding first, but it didn't matter, we came back from behind to win (remember that!).

I think we give Moyes the job. I'd offer him a decent contract e.g. 5 years. It would have 2 caveats in the contract. He must achieve points targets this season and next season. If he does not hit the targets, Everton has the right to fire him with zero compensation. You can't say fairer than that.

By the way, I've been reading ToffeeWeb for many many years, only now felt the need to weigh in with my opinion.

Cheers
Paul

Love him or loathe him Duncan Ferguson may surprise us. Men follow men - especially when the chips are down.

Mind boggling

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne

Richarlison Beni Gordon

Bernard

DCL KEAN

MAKE A STATEMENT BIG MAN !

Jon you are not the only obsessed one but at least you admit it. Sometimes its hard to work out if this is ToffeeWeb or one of Bills Corrie appearances.

My choice for the Chelsea game would have been someone who commands respect from his time at the highest levels and is a known thinker on the game. In fact he's still at Everton and still sat on the bench --- Leighton Baines.

Just a thought is anyone up for a collection say £10 from each ToffeeWebber and send Kenwright up to the Arctic Circle to feed the Polar Bears. A tent and sleeping bag waterproofed with seal blubber for his comfort could also be provided. Polar bears love seal blubber.

Now... what's next?

Whoever becomes our permanent manager, it is of paramount importance, apart from having a football brain, that he is able to communicate with the players, and have a GOOD command of English so that he can get his ideas across.

I've said in the past that Marco's interviews were like Scrabble for the ears. I don't particularly want someone who is 'Everton through and through' ... 'Bleeds Blue Blood' – this is part of the malaise that is EFC. I'm often at the beach watching ships and stuff on the river. I really, really get it. Nobody in their right mind would advocate that I should be a ship's captain, would they?

Alex (#334) mentioned Nicola Cortese. I've posted about him in the past. Southampton went to look at a young Coutinho but ended up signing Pochettino. Check him out. He is the type of person who should be overseeing EFC.

I don't have enough football knowledge to be suggesting a manager but, whoever it is, I will embrace him and wish him and us success.

Some people are talking up David Moyes. How would you feel if you found out that your missus had been seeing someone behind your back for several months? She finally told you that she was going because she'd fallen out of love with you and the other guy could offer her more. That didn't work out and he chased her. She met another and another. They didn't work either. Now she's flashing her false eyelashes at you and saying "Can I come back? Things will be different this time." Would you have her back ?

That was 2013, I was able to cycle 4 or 5 times a week and do mini triathlons. Now I'm fraying at the edges, a dodgy knee and I've got Duck's Disease. Move on.

As Vivien Leigh said, "Tomorrow is another day."

From what I can pick up the main grips against Moyes are:

- He left to take another, better job on more money probably. Guess what? It happens, that's life. People need to grow up and stop behaving like 3-year-olds that couldn't have a packet of Smarties. Don't forget, he left after years and years of service and hard work.

- He tried to buy back some of the players he trusted from Everton. Guess what? Every manager under the sun does this – I don't remember people moaning when Silva brought Richarlison with him from Watford? Or when he tried to buy Doucoure from them over the summer? All managers will try to bring in players they know and trust when they get a new job. Once again, people need to grow up and get into the real world.

- He is ginger and Scottish and looks a bit miserable at times. I mean, come on really? That is a reason to dismiss a proven Premier League manager who only last year with West Ham did the exact job we need now? Are people really so shallow and blinded by the cult of personality that they would rather look at someone's hair colour than the facts of what they have done or how good a manager they really are? That sort of attitude sums up why we are where we are now.

We do not need to gamble on some fancy foreign name who has done well abroad but has never cut it in the Premier League. That is a gamble that will end in disaster. Moyes is proven to be a Premier League level manager as his recent stint with West Ham and his long, successful years with us show for fact. People need to wake up and stop having a go at managers for frankly ridiculous reasons.

I would rather the Moyes's honesty and passion compared to what we have seen with chancers like Martinez or Silva. It would be nice to actually understand an interview from our manager for once, for example!

Very dignified.

I'm normally level-headed, and had real optimism at the end of last season, but this clueless twat Silva has left me absolutely livid. Thanks to this chump, we are now staring relegation in the face, and I don't see a way out.

Not that Silva cares (cos he doesn't) as he'll be banking his fat fucking severance pay off and lazing on a continental beach, while we go through hell watching the club we love get sucked into the Championship.

Why the fuck do TOTAL failure managers get large pay-offs? I suppose we might avoid it if Silva gets re-hired immediately by someone else, but who the fuck would hire him? We should be so lucky...

If we were a totally shit and underfunded outfit, then relegation would have been easier to take. In the early Moyes era, finishing 17th was excusable given the budget Moyes had to work with.

Silva, the total Charlatan, has had huge money to spend. We should be NOWHERE near the relegation zone.

So fuck you, Marco, you mumbling twat!

Wow. Just wow.

"Obsessed" and "normally level-headed"? Uh-huh.

Silva is just a.n.other EPL shyster, full of bullshit, bereft of ability.

The chances of us finding a manager who isn't of the very same ilk are very very slim in my opinion, because everyone in the world, repeat, "world" of football will by now have well sussed out Moshiri and his board as the softest touches on the planet.

Given his experience, position and salary I'd be surprised if Brands hasn't by now given up on aspiring for better in terms of our success and is merely content to sit back, well paid as he is for TWO roles that are in conflict with each other in terms of accountability, until Moshiri decides to pay him a few £mill with his P45.

I am totally angry at one of the phoniest managers we have ever appointed.

Silva's shite record was there for all to see before he was hired. Why the hell we chased him and appointed him I don't know.

Many on here hurl insults at Kenwright. I don't. Kenwright doesn't train the team, coach the team, motivate the team, select the tactics, pick the team and (mostly) even choose the signings. Silva did. But yeah okay, Kenwright probably sanctioned Silva's appointment, so fuck him too! :-)

I don't care how classy or otherwise you think I am. All I care about is that we don't get relegated. Because if we go down, we won't be back up for ages. Moshiri will probably walk. There'll be no new stadium, and we'll probably be in massive financial trouble to boot, like 50% of the lower league clubs.

If Silva had any "class", he wouldn't take his severance pay.

Oh, and the RS will win the league to boot.

Also, as Don says, none of the rest of us get paid our salary for the next few years if we get sacked.

Not to defend the bankers but everyone was complicit. Everyone and their brother wanted to wade into the stock market directly or through their retirement plan to cash in. The stock market was driven by profits from banks.

Everyone and their brother wanted to buy a nice new house to keep up with the Jones's, regardless of their income, job security etc. Everyone, the whole of society, were responsible for the crash, as all of us are greedy.

"It's so refreshing to read a well thought out, reasoned and reasonable assessment."

Very funny Ben.

Do you want a dissertation on why Silva is the worst manager we've ever had (apart from Mike Walker - 51% loss record)?

Do you want a statistical analysis (it's grim)? Would you like me to spell out his tactical blunders (as I see it)?

Why should I need to do that? Have you been watching EFC this season? Do you really think Silva's just been unlucky, and otherwise done a good job?

Are you an apologist for this charlatan? Let me guess... all Kenwright's fault again is it?

Kieran I am NOT an "extremist", but I am extremely angry. I was born in Oxford St maternity in '73, and have been following EFC for a very, very long time. I saw this club win titles, FA cups and dodge relegation twice.

I have NEVER been angry at a manager or player (not even "Judas" Rooney in 2004) before as I am at Silva right now. If you think I'm an extremist, then read any of my previous posts on other topics to see otherwise.

It has just hit me like a bullet between the eyes, that instead of this grand old club (that I remember as a titan of English football as a lad) finally ascending back to the upper echelon in a beautiful new stadium, we are probably going to get relegated, remain in a 1920's ground and then likely go into administration.

With Liverpool cruising to the title again after 30 years, you'd better believe that I am angry.

You should be too, "extremist" or not.

Oh and I have been watching us this season just as I have the previous 51. We're all angry but not all of us go in for an over the top character assassination of someone we barely, if at all, know. I'm not an apologist or someone who says it Kenwright's fault either.

I'm just someone who disagrees with you and finds your post regarding Silva as childish and totally unreasonable, just as I find your boring too often used term of "Judas" for Rooney, ridiculous. Having said that, we're all allowed our opinions on here and I respect your right, if nothing else, to voice yours. NSNO.

To be clear I'm angry and share your fears but I'm puzzled by your focus on Silva. I don't think he was a malicious con man; I think he was a nice guy but a buffoon.

I don't hate Silva, but I am angry at him.

He shouldn't take his pay off though. he knows he did a terrible job.

Daftest thing I've read on here in quite some time. Collective social responsibility for unfettered capitalism.

Wise up.

Case in point: this thread. Everyone moaning about money in football but it's our money. We made a choice to hand it over to the club or to Sky.

We have the ability to end it but we don't. Why? Cause we are vain and greedy and want to keep up with the Joneses who will pay so we can feel some kind of some kind of joy through association since 99 percent probably had a childhood dream of being a football star but failed.

We want what we can't have so we make poor choices driven by emotion, greed and vanity. We are all to blame for all of our societies ills as the society is the collective of us all.

Childish? Possibly... Unreasonable? No!!

We have some of the most technically gifted players I have ever seen at Goodison Park (I first went to Goodison in 1977). We have the 3rd highest net spend over the last 5 seasons and the 4th highest GROSS spend (𧻐.5 million, compared to Liverpool's 𧺎.9 million) over the same period. We should be easily in the top 10.

It is 100% the fault of Marco Silva.

You may have noticed I put the "Judas" term in quotes to indicate that it was the term being used at the time, and NOT by me!

I went to every game in the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons, saw Rooney's debut goal, season ticket holder, living in Bootle.

What was Cameron's strap line: 'Big society... were all in this together' – while he carved up the working classes.

Like fuck we are.

Classic privileged claptrap and sleight of hand to distract you from what they're really at.

The biggest change is that football has now become a television sport. The vast proportion of clubs' revenues come from TV fans who don't attend games, via their TV subscriptions. These fans usually live nowhere near the team that they decide to support, and have little or no real connection with the region 'their' club is located within.

This has completely changed the face of football.

Traditional giants like Villa and Leeds Utd, if relegated, can have smaller budgets than traditional minnows like Bournemouth or Brighton. A large gate by itself is not enough anymore.

The TV Sport model of modern football and inflated budgets results in teams stuffed full of foreigners and hardly any local players in the team.

OK many of these foreign players are the "best" in the world, but let me tell you whilst it may be exciting to TV fans to watch these cosmopolitan teams in English club shirts go at each other, it is a poor relation to actually attending and watching LOCAL players who play for the shirt. Well, that's my memory of the 70s and 80s (when it was only a couple of quid to get in!!).

And it wasn't cos I had any ambition of being a footy star. I was crap!

Not saying Cameron and co aren't wankers. Obviously they are insidious individuals but I know plenty of working class folks voting against their own self-interests to put them in power. We have elections.

We don't have to vote for them but we (I don't personally but I'm using the term broadly) do. So obviously on some level, we are content with them running the country, or Thatcher getting us kicked out of UEFA etc

Then we should cross off Moyes and Rafa, plus Pardew, Hughes etc. and all the other ones Bill and the ex head of soup and blankets for the homeless might like.

Moshiri should then fuck off for an early Christmas and leave it to Brands.

Brands then gets his little black book out and starts phoning his way down the list.

Hopefully when Moshiri, like the rest of us on Boxing Day, gets up, looks at the options of more noisey kids and cold turkey butties, will decide that a few beers and going to the match is the way to go. He can then turn up and have Brands brief him... maybe even introduce him to the 'New Guy'.

Burnley dispatched (note my use of the ablative there) 'New Guy' is officially announced before Newcastle and in the stands with Moshiri. Big Dunc signs off with a win.

'New Guy' takes us to Man City for a 0-0. Then on to Anfield where we narrowly win and onwards we go to Wembley.

What the are you on about? "One of my unhinged rants"? The only angry post was my first, and it was in my opinion justified. Nothing about my further posts was "unhinged".

Why are you putting quotes around "sucked". I never used that particular word. If I was terrible at my job, knew I was terrible at my job, got fired for being terrible at my job, and insisted on taking a large severance (especially when I was already a millionaire and didn't need it), then I would indeed have no class. I have never done anything of the sort.

What would you do then? Take the money? Oh, well I guess you have no class either then.

OK, I suspect you're a TV/internet "football fan" and don't go to games much. But let me humbly inform you that home crowds respond with FAR more enthusiasm to local(ish) home grown lads who know what it means to play for the club. For example, when Rooney hit the scene the buzz in Goodison was electric... I was there in the stands.. so I know. There were far more of those in the 70s/80s. That's all I was saying.

I like how you take that simple and pretty plain observation and extrapolate it to an implication that I'm some kind of Brexit racist xenophobe. I'm married to a foreigner of a different race, and had strong words with an idiot in the Lower Bullens who was shouting vile (and I mean vile) racist insults at a Liverpool player (it was the derby 2005 and the stewards were doing nothing about it).

I am angry at Silva because of what he's done to the club I love with his terrible mismanagement, not because he's Portuguese for God's sake.

You've obviously declared yourself a remainer. Congratulations. You must feel so superior. The trouble with many remainers, in my experience, is they have this air of sanctimonious piety that belies their dumb ignorance

...for example.. you probably believe the evil Tories are going to "sell off the NHS" in their "desperation to strike a trade deal with the US". Right? And you know all about TTIP, of course, and the desperation with which the EU were trying to strike a trade deal with the US in 2016? Tories evil, EU good.

Grow a brain.

I didn't vote in 2016.

The mistake was not doing it after the third game of the season when we were so poor and lost at Villa. Or after the 5th losing to Bournemouth, or definitely the 6th losing at home to the mighty Sheffield United.

Or perhaps the 8th losing at Burnley. Or the 10th at Brighton. Same ineffective tactics every single game. Absolute failure as a manager.

I'm with you.