Liverpool vs Everton

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Theo Walcott is available again after recovering from a bout of illness
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Everton go into the 234th Merseyside derby looking to find an unexpected spark to lift their ailing Premier League campaign as uncertainty over Marco Silva's future continues to be the dominant talking point.

Few expected the Portuguese to still be in charge of the Toffees at this point after he and his team were booed off the pitch at Goodison Park 10 days ago following the 2-0 defeat to Norwich but the club have stuck with him for the time being and he has an opportunity to bank some significant currency if he can cause an upset.

Liverpool's current status as clear league leaders, Everton's terrible form so far this season, the injury problems afflicting Finch Farm and the burgeoning weight of Anfield derby history are all against Silva. He was reminded in his pre-match press conference that an Everton side hasn't won this fixture in 20 years but he insisted that that represents an opportunity for his team and that everyone should go there to enjoy what is always a big occasion.

“It's always a fantastic game with a fantastic atmosphere,” Silva said. “Of course, we'd prefer to be playing in our stadium but when it's Liverpool vs Everton, the players have to enjoy [these kinds of games]. It will be a tough game for sure. It's tough for all the clubs who go there but it's a special game for the city and our fans as well.

“But let's enjoy the game. Let's go there with big motivation, with big courage to play and to enjoy the challenge like we did last season.”

Silva will take largely the same squad to Anfield as the one he had available against Leicester on Sunday.

Everton were forced to deploy a central midfield of Tom Davies and Gylfi Sigurdsson operating in a deeper role because of a biting injury crisis in that part of the field but Morgan Schneiderlin, who came on for the last quarter of an hour at the King Power Stadium could be fit to start against Liverpool if needed.

Meanwhile, Theo Walcott has recovered from illness and will be available and, with three more days behind him, Bernard might also be deemed strong enough to take a place in the starting XI. Seamus Coleman and Fabian Delph are ruled out, however.

“Theo will be okay for tomorrow,” Silva explained in his pre-match press conference at Finch Farm. “He was sick but he worked the last two sessions with the team and he is in condition to. be in the squad.

“Coleman tried this morning again but he's not in condition to be fit for the match and Delph is not training at this moment with the team. Let's see in the next few days how they will be and whether they will be fit or not for the next match.”

Given the injury problems in midfield where André Gomes is sidelined until the later stages of the season at the earliest, Delph has struggled with a succession of soft-tissue problems and there is uncertainty over when Jean-Philippe Gbamin might be ready, the manager was asked whether Everton would consider going into the transfer market next month.

Director of Football, Marcel Brands, is on record as saying that he doesn't favour trading players during the January window but Silva didn't rule it out.

“We have to sit down and to talk about the situation,” the Portuguese said. “At the moment we have a number of injuries in our midfield zone which are really different than normal so we will have to sit [down and discuss] the situation and let's see what we can do, not just in that position but in others as well.

“But for the next month there will be full focus on the [current] squad… full confidence in the squad, even with the problems we have. I have to be fair to the players — they are fighting, they are working really hard to get the results we need.”

Until then, Silva has to make do with the players available to him and it will be interesting to see what, if any, tactical shifts he makes for the trip across Stanley Park. He used a three-man central defensive unit against Leicester but while Michael Keane said afterwards that while he thought it worked well on the day, he admitted the players were still getting to grips with the system.

Schneiderlin's availability could lessen the need to string an extra defensive player across the back and it's possible that Silva will revert to the 4-3-2-1 formation that he has fallen back on so often this season. The concern is, of course, that with Bernard and Walcott potentially able to start and the manager having given Sigurdsson the captain's armband, it will be Alex Iwobi, who played a crucial role in the Blues' last two goals, who gets shafted and dropped back to the bench.

It's been a while since Evertonians came into a derby this despondent about their team's chances but if there are reasons to be optimistic, they centre around the two matches against the old enemy from across the Park last season in which Silva's side made Jurgen Klopp's eventual Champions League winners look decidedly ordinary.

Indeed, had André Gomes's close-range header gone in and Jordan Pickford not flapped the ball to Divock Origi in stoppage time, Everton might well have won the Anfield derby for the first time since 1999. In the reverse fixture, Pickford kept a clean sheet at one end but, much like this season, the Blues simply lacked the cutting edge at the other to claim victory. And, let's face it, Everton have ended long Liverpool unbeaten runs in the past and thoroughly enjoyed doing so.

The odds are longer this time but while the old adage that the form book goes out the window for derbies has largely been debunked when it comes to this fixture, it is still a local grudge match between two teams of eleven human beings and anything can happen.

Kick-off: 8:15pm, Wednesday 4th December, 2019
Referee: Mike Dean
Last Time: Liverpool 1 - 0 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Sidibé, Mina, Keane, Digne, Schneiderlin, Davies, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Walcott, Richarlison


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Jer Kiernan
1 Posted 03/12/2019 at 17:51:58

Well look it is a two horse race so you never know, If the RS don't show up etc etc
We could catch them on an off night. However If they do turn up, I am fearfull of what may happen

Lets hope its the former instead of the latter, Anybody good at saying Rosaries ???


Rob Halligan
3 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:07:07
Richarlison has signed a new extended contract. Let's hope he's really upbeat and ready to rock n roll and get stuck into them bastards tomorrow night.
John Cartwright
4 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:07:49
I don't care if he's fit Lyndon, the last thing we need is Schniederlin starting.
Steve Ferns
5 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:14:00
I thought the 541 worked well and was not as defensive as it first seemed. We were able to get it into a 343 in attack and then recover shape and plug holes with a 541 in defence. If we go with a back three, then a centre back is in Schneiderlin's position. I don't think 541 is a long term solution but as a formation to battle back up the league against tough opposition, it'll do for now.

So, Morgan, it's a no from me.

Steven Kendrew
6 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:26:37
I don't know why but I'm feeling vaguely positive about this game. The players are probably seriously pissed off by now and might just think, "F-ck it" and go for broke. Twenty years! Jesus. Surely it's our turn and on a good day these guys can do it. Tom Davies will be out to prove a point also. I hope he gets the support he deserves after working his tits off but making some mistakes on Sunday.
8/1 for the win? Might be worth a punt. COYB!
Brian Hennessy
7 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:28:48
Regarding TV coverage of the match tomorrow, a reminder for all fellow Everonians living in Ireland.

This match, will NOT be available to view on Amazon Prime in Ireland as Amazon only purchased the rights to show their games in the UK - not in Ireland.

The only channel to watch the match on live TV in Ireland is Premiere Sports1 - an additional channel on the Sky Sports package.

This also applies to all Amazon Prime games for the rest of the month

Christy Ring
8 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:52:46
There's no way he can start Sigurdsson beside Davies again, no wonder Tom was knackered, Siggy ran around, without attempting a tackle, watch him running beside Tielemans for their goal, not even a lunge, and got a yellow card for kicking the ball away, if Beni is fit I'd start him, if not the first time I've ever said it start Schniderlin
Kevin Molloy
9 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:03:21
I think Liverpool will go easy on us tomorrow. Yes we stopped them winning the league last year, but they aren't the sort of club to bear grudges and kick a man when he's down.
It's all set up for a jolly exciting game
Tony Abrahams
10 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:20:18
I wonder if Digne could play in a back three? We might miss Michael Keane at set prices, but we won't miss him turning like the royal iris, especially when Firmino drops deep and those other two run in behind.

Get Baines on the left, With Lewin outside him. Sidibe on the right, with Richarlison, Just inside him. It's got to be Davies, and Sigurdson/Iwobi with young Moise Kean upfront!

Walcott can come on when Kean tires, Iwobi can come on when Siggy or Tom tires, and I'm going to bed because I'm knackered just thinking about it!

Mark Guglielmo
11 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:58:25
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Iwobi Davies Sigurdsson Bernard
Kean Richarlison

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Sigurdsson
Iwobi Bernard
Kean Richarlison

If Bernard can't go, I'd consider dropping Richarlison back into Bernard's spot, and running Kean/DCL up top in both formations.

Oh yeah, subs:


Bernard or DCL, depending on Bernard being fit






Derek Knox
12 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:00:58
Bet Liverpool are shitting themselves playing us tomorrow, and again in the Cup (January). :-)
Mick Conalty
13 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:06:59
So Silva is going to Anfield tomorrow to enjoy himself. He must be a masochist as well as a crap manager.
John Pierce
14 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:16:28
Pace, loads of it, down the flanks, in behind their full backs. Forget playing a centre forward in the traditional sense, let him float close to the wide forwards.


Lucky Dean
The road runner
Big Yegsy
Mason jar
Skater boi
Jay jay Okocha
Ricky's arl son
TM Lewin

Trevor Peers
15 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:23:55
Kevin #9. Made me chuckle, hahaha.

Silva is speaking like it's his last game.

Bill Gienapp
16 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:34:58
It's worth noting that Liverpool aren't really playing like a juggernaut - they're just getting results with Terminator-like efficiency. Admittedly, that can actually be a *more* daunting proposition, because when a team is used to just trouncing the opposition, they often grow unnerved when an opponent doesn't just wilt in the first half hour (sort of like a bully).

Anyway, the point is, five of their last seven matches have been 2-1 wins (against the likes of Palace and Brighton) and they've only kept two clean sheets all season (fewer than us). Opportunities will be there.

Phil Malone Jnr
17 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:37:35
Anyone else going into this game with the same feeling as the ‘Martinez' Anfield derby when Funes Mori got sent off?
Derek Knox
18 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:41:52
John P, not Crabington, we might as well play with ten!

Who's Skater Boi and JJ Okocha?

Mark Guglielmo
19 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:45:09
Derek gotta be Davies & Iwobi

Bill @16 and Alisson is out on a red card suspension, and starting CM Fabinho is out injured. So backup keeper + at least 1 different key piece.

Just sayin...

John Pierce
20 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:51:36
DK - Skater boi is Tom Davies, quite infamous for skating around the City in his spare time. Jay Jay is Iwobi. I thought he was his nephew or something?!

Sadly Schniederlin will play, you can't ask a centre half or Skater boi to play there it just won't work. I guess Oracle (Delph), I thought he was ruled out? ☺️

Steve Ferns
21 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:54:43
You can tell they legalised cannabis over there, JP!
John Pierce
22 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:04:35
Steve, I'm so over everything it's just the only way to cope with it. Some say tenuous I say cryptic.

I stand by Skater boi though, that's solid material.

Dick Fearon
23 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:06:56
I have yet to see Van Dijk break into a sprint or be tested by a fast tenacious striker.

I would play Richarlison in that role with Sigurdsson as a traditional No 10.

Mark Guglielmo
24 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:17:46
Dick, VVD is tested by fast, tenacious strikers all the time. Aguero & Sterling at the very least. Last year in the CL by Kane, Lewandowski, Messi, Mbappe. Richarlison isn't going to frighten him in the least. He's the best CB in the world by a country mile, loathe as I am to say that.

If we go lone striker, you may as well turn the match off. We NEED 2 up top for this match. Or even 3 if you think a 4-3-3 is our best option. One thing is certain, 4-2-3-1 isn't going to work.

And please, for the love of all that is holy, leave Gylfi far away from the 10.

Derek Knox
25 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:00:03
Thanks John P, you sort of threw me there!
Andrew James
26 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:05:27
I've had a few theories about this fixture for many seasons now.

Firstly try winning the toss and turn them around so they can't play to the flag waving tourists in the second half. I seem to recall Kanchelskis did alright when that was the case...

Secondly, play up on Van Dijk. Get either Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison pressing him high and not allowing him any space. Too many sides back off from him and he struts around the pitch doing what he likes. He can switch off and his first touch isn't the best. Force him into mistakes, make him foul us.

Lastly, they always cheat so let them hang themselves. Don't go flying in and leave the officials with an excuse. Make them think they are about to take a hit and fall to ground with no contact. I can think of at least 4 of them who regularly go to ground in expectation of a challenge when running full pelt with absolutely no intention to stay on their feet. They often do it while in the penalty area but running away from goal. We need to be smart.

Mark Guglielmo
27 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:08:52
Andrew, are you suggesting a lone striker make problems for VVD?
Steve Ferns
28 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:10:38
Mark, you mean like Richarlison last season?
Trevor Peers
29 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:48:31
If this indeed is to be Silva's last game, I hope fate will be kind to him and our supporters and grant us a glorious win, highly unlikely though that may be. The inquest will begin in the days afterwards as to why, in the grand scheme of things, was he ever employed by Everton in the first place.

This mystery will be forever exclusively locked in Moshiri's brain, as personally I have never met any Evertonian who could understand why he was ever employed by the club. His tenure has mostly been a complete waste of time and money unfortunately. Apart from signing Richarlison, his one act of sound judgement.

Mark Guglielmo
30 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:51:57
Whichever season, Steve. If your only goal is to have our striker be an attacking third pest/defender than go right ahead, put him in there.

I thought we were going to try to score goals though. We need 2 up top (or 3 even)! End of.

David Pearl
31 Posted 03/12/2019 at 00:12:43
Mark, not a chance of a 4-2-3-1 in this game, and not a chance of 4-3-3 either. If we could play a narrow 4-3-3 it might work... leave the front 3 up and let the rest defend. But not here and not ever... we know him sooo well

Silva will most probably go with the same formation as last time. I think Walcott will come in for Iwobi and possibly Schneiderlin for Sigurdsson.

Me personally. I'd play 5-3-2. I think we need the 3 centre backs and the 3 midfielders all matched up. We may only have two up top but they will be in the middle where strikers should be. Don't think he would do this though, he doesn't like to leave his fullbacks exposed.

Mark Guglielmo
32 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:27:59
David we're on the same page, trust me. I do believe a 4-4-2 on defense, and 4-2-2-2 on offense can work though.

Because I'm a geek with nothing better to do, I actually checked all of Liverpool's matches from last year, and this year so far (including all CL matches), and in the few they lost, or ones they won but gave up 2+ goals, almost every single one was against either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. The only ones that weren't were the 2 against City, and well, we're not City.

I'll repeat it again: if we go with a lone striker we may as well play with 10, because that's what we'll be doing. It's a friggin' numbers game. VVD can't pay attention to more than 1 striker at a time, so why give him that as the only option? Mind-boggling.

Oh, and you'd take Iwobi off for Walcott? What exactly are you smoking, friend? We can't go 3-5-2, TAA and Robertson will eat us alive. Especially since our 3-back pairing never looks comfortable and certainly can't move the ball forward with any degree of effectiveness. Against Leicester? Holgate/Keane/Mina were a dreadful 28-48 (52%) on their passes forward! All their passes should be forward! That means basically giving the ball right back to Liverpool in our defensive half of the park. No thanks.

Bill Gienapp
33 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:51:09
Trevor (29) - I don't see any way Silva could possibly be sacked on the back of a derby win at Anfield. Even if you don't think it means anything long-term... the significance can't be overstated.
David Pearl
34 Posted 04/12/2019 at 01:17:19
Aah, Mark. I said that Silva will probably bring back Walcott for Iwobi. Me... well probably I'd do the same as Walcott is a little less erratic. :)

I think if we went 4-4-2 we'd get overrun. Our back 3 was a new set up, that defensively worked okay. Maybe we tried to play it forward rather too quickly but gave the ball away all over the shop. I lost count of the times l screamed keep the ball. I was more animated than usual as l had money on the game.

I just want the game over and done with. It used to be that form didn't matter going into a derby. Not the case these days as we lack the fight of old.

Paul Taylor
35 Posted 04/12/2019 at 01:20:30
Grim days ahead...say we need 28 more points to reach 42 points, and safety? This leaves 24 games remaining:-

7 wins at home against:-

Newcastle Utd
Crystal Palace
Aston Villa

21 points 

7 draws home and away against:- 

Arsenal (H)
Newcastle Utd (A)
Watford (A)
Manchester Utd (H)
Norwich City (A)
Leicester City (H)
Wolves (A)

7 points

Defeats against:-

Liverpool (A) (H)
Chelsea (H) (A)
Manchester Utd (A)
Manchester City (A)
West Ham Utd (A) ?
Arsenal (A)
Tottenham Hotspur (A)
Sheffield Utd (A) ?

Current form shows that getting the required points will be a huge challenge in my opinion. Something drastic has to happen very quickly. 

Still, an average of 5 points per calendar month should see us safe, however it is achieved...???

What a season... COYB

Alan J Thompson
36 Posted 04/12/2019 at 02:37:12
I wish it wasn't said that Schneiderlin is fit to play and that the preferred phrase would be, "has been deemed physically capable."
Jack Convery
37 Posted 04/12/2019 at 04:19:01
Tell Morgan the coach leaves in 15 minutes and leave in 10!!
Mark Andersson
38 Posted 03/12/2019 at 04:59:25
This game will no doubt have some controversial headline afterwards..

Im fine with the fact were the underdogs expected to get hammered that Liverpool are a class in their own right..

What I'm not happy about is the doom and gloom merchants... I hope Marco pulls a rabbit out of his hat wins tge game and gets a extention to his contract same as his adopted son...

I want to see teary Bill blubber and hear Mosh say "what a manager"

Then I want to see Liverpool go off the rails like we did last season...

Then I will go down the pub and have a pint with Santa because I know he is real...

Paul Hewitt
39 Posted 04/12/2019 at 05:49:48
We haven't a hope in hell.
Charles McCann
40 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:10:19
Anyone who thinks we can go to Anfield and get a good result with Sneiderlinn, Walcott and Sigurdsson all playing need to get their heads checked! Unfortunately for us Marco Silva probably does.

As for the formation we played against Leicester, you could see it most likely wasn't going to work after fifteen or twenty minutes yet Silva stupidly stuck with it. Felt sorry for Tom in midfield as he had not enough support here and so tonight we need to get back to having five in midfield.

Silva for once needs to be brave in his team selection. If Baningime is fit i'd love to see him join Tom and Denis Adeniran in the centre of midfield with Bernard out left and Richarlison on the right. We will also need the pace of DCL up top. That would leave Iwobi, Baines and Gordon to make an impact from the bench.

Despite Liverpool still being on a good run of results they are not playing that well. I believe we can go there and win tonight but so much depends on Silva getting his team selection right.

John Keating
41 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:33:28
One thing is for sure we can't go with the Leicester formation as once it's breached we're finished.
Reluctantly I think Holgate should be taken out the firing line for this one. Also, reluctantly, I think Keane comes in alongside Mina.

I think we have to give young Kean a go but if we play him up top, or anyone else that matter, it's a waste. Has to be paired.

I know our resident experts say it's old fashioned but I'd give the RS something to think about and go 442

Sidibe, Keane, Mina, Digne
Richie, Davies, Iwobi, Bernard/Walcott
DCL, Kean

Dave Lynch
42 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:42:40
Not wanting to be a doom monger but... They always turn up.
It's us that get stage fright every fucking time we play them. Don't forget either, we will have to play the ref, VAR and two linesmen as well.
I will bet anyone my months salary they get decision after decision and lots of dodgy ones as well.
It will not be pretty and then the red shite media darlings will wax lyrical about how they've sewn the title up and every dodgy decision was justified.

I'm proper going into hiding tonight, but if we're 3 up with 5 to go I'm legging it over the local that's full of never go the game twats.

Dave Lynch
43 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:43:16
Ps... Does my anxiety show in my above post?
Dave Ganley
44 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:51:08
Just for once please please please let us beat those horrible smug RS bastards
Justin Doone
45 Posted 04/12/2019 at 06:55:02
Great game to get motivated for. No dull 3rd round game with little to win but all to lose.

I'd give Silva the 2 derbies to win or he's gone. Glad we're booking the trend of hire and fire and trying to be patient but we can't wait for ever.

That gives him another Month and about 6 (?) Premier league games (he's had over half a season) to improve.

I'd be all in for Poch ASAP or Mancini in the summer. Otherwise if he continues to fail another short-term manager for rest of the season. Happy for that to be Unsworth if needs, Moyes, Emery, Hiddink whoever..

Sometimes a change sparks a short term improvement and we need positive change ASAP.

Christopher Timmins
46 Posted 04/12/2019 at 07:20:33
Drop Siggy and Holgate and play Kean and Schnides, we can't go with the Davis on his own in midfield as we will be overrun.
Paul Birmingham
47 Posted 04/12/2019 at 07:28:29
Let's hope the Gods of luck and fortune smile on EFC tonight.
Paul Smith
48 Posted 04/12/2019 at 07:30:13
Charles you playing the under 23's ?

Bernard is back but can't see him lasting more than 60mins, he gives us something different; any news on Delph ? That midfield is slow as fuck and the quick turn over against Leicester exposed our lack of pace and poor interventionist CB's (run at them with pace and Mina & Holgate struggle).

Sidibe is becoming a beast big night for him and us.

Jim Bennings
49 Posted 04/12/2019 at 07:59:17
Shock them, surprise them, harry them, just don't sit back and overly respect them and be scared of them.

Do what Big Joe did in 95', pick a formation or a few players they won't expect.

Personally I'd start Iwobi behind Kean, start Richarlison just off him on the left and Walcott on the right (depending on Bernard's fitness).

Crazy to start Kean?

No, the lad might be made for a big occasion and they won't know too much about his style, his personality ect ect.

Pointless starting DCL, he's played in several derbies and frankly Van Dijk has owned him, he's too nice, not in defenders faces enough or moving off the ball.

Tell Richarlison he's NOT playing hugging the touchline but close to Kean supporting him, same as Walcott/Bernard.

Iwobi needs tell to get the ball and carry it forward at every opportunity.

And just give it a right good go.

20 years without winning at Anfield is an absolute disgrace, almost a whole decade without a win in a derby full stop!

Will it ever happen again?

Tony Abrahams
50 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:14:03
I've given up on Silva, but I'd love him to prove me wrong, because when I heard him talking yesterday, his main point was about being brave, and if he's constantly telling his players this then hopefully he will eventually get his rewards.


Derek Knox
51 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:14:25
John Keating @ 41, like that team you have suggested, there, deffo with two up front, if he plays Schneiderlin he must want to be sacked.

I don't expect a result but who knows, when skies are grey, there may just be a glimmer of hope and a freak result.

Andy Codling
52 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:16:50
Once upon a time I would not have been able to sleep and then nervous all day leading up to a derby game, but now it doesn't bother me at all and I may not even watch the game as its 11:15pm here in Iraq. We all know the outcome of this game and then we will give the team a pat on the back for putting in some effort and wait for the next player to come out with a rallying call and how they are all behind the manager blah blah blah.
Jonathan Tasker
53 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:34:19
Klopp v Silva

There's only going to be one winner

Kunal Desai
54 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:37:12
Do we have the worse derby record in world football?
Lee Courtliff
55 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:37:49
Every run, good and bad, comes to an end eventually.

Football is incredibly unpredictable...otherwise we wouldn't bother watching.

Jim Bennings
56 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:50:03

I think we probably have

I doubt any derby has been consistently played season after season with no breaks for relegation years ect without one team winning.

How many teams go so long without winning a derby really?

It's pathetic.

It's gone like Leyton Orient v Chelsea.

Jim Bennings
57 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:57:45
For the record (not that we want to know)

19 Merseyside derbies since an Everton victory.

Just THREE wins for Everton in the league over Liverpool this century which is now almost 20 years old.


Ciarán McGlone
58 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:04:55
They haven't exactly been playing great football.. just grinding out inevitable results.

If we play a 5 man back line and leave the midfield gaps we had last weekend then we will be watching through our fingers.


Coleman, Mina, Holgate, Digne
Bernard, Iwobi, Davies, Richarlison
Kean, DCL

Blaze of glory.. what have we to lose.

Dave Williams
59 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:05:36
Charles # 40 I'd be tempted by that team but no way will he do it. Siggy plus Morgan spells defeat- they will run rings around them. The gap we had against Leicester has to be plugged for us to stand a chance which means reverting to four at the back and whilst I would love to see Beni there I am sure he will play Morgan. Tom has to play alongside him and should be skipper and Alex at number ten with Siggy nowhere near the team.
Richi wide right with Bernard left and Theo to come on later if necessary. I am torn between Moise and DCL ( no Tosun for me) and fantasise that this is the time for Moise to score.
I had a terrible sleep last night because of this game and will have to turn the sound off on the TV so I don't have to hear those gobsite( sorry) supporters of theirs. Silva sounds up for it and I have to say I admire his stoicism in the wake of such personal pressure.
Get in boys, get in!!!!
Dave Abrahams
60 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:13:34
I think we will go there and give them a game and something to think about, a great seventy minutes at Leicester, frustrating them and we had chances to increase the lead. Play the same game tonight, use the substitutions better and give Kean longer time on the pitch, either from the start or after half time. Warn the young Italian not to get wound up by the Liverpool players, because they will use every trick in the book to upset him, just tell him to score and then smile at the bastards. Come on Blues give us an early Christmas box, I hope our fans at Anfield have a great night.
Anthony Murphy
61 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:13:40
They'll do us tonight, we'll get our revenge in the FA cup next month and then go out in the fourth round to lower league opposition.

I just hope we don't get beat and then come on here saying how we played ok and deserved more.

Jim Bennings
62 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:23:46
I never take any consolation in playing well and losing Anthony.

I remember everyone was over the moon after the 3-1 defeat to City in September, I couldn't see anything other than three cheap goals conceded and a handful of chances missed by DCL and Sigurdsson.

Look at what happened the week after City too, a 2-0 loss to Sheff Utd.

I'm not arsed about performances.

I hope we play absolutely dreadful tonight and win it 1-0.

What's to take from playing well and losing a derby like last years hard luck story?

Craig Walker
63 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:25:09
Hate derbies and am absolutely dreading this one. History and the form book says that we are going to get a good hiding. Has the gap been bigger in the Premier League era? Maybe when Big Dunc rocked them in Joe Royle's first game in charge but that team had a lot more about it than the current one. If it were being played at Goodison, I'd give us a 10% chance of winning. At Anfield, I'd estimate our chances at 1%. I expect all sides of the ground will be singing anti Silva songs at the end of it.

Bloody hope I'm wrong.

Dave Abrahams
64 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:28:37
Jim (62), Jim, being honest, you never really give the team any praise when we win.
David Greenwood
65 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:32:10
Hopefully a win for us.

They're not playing great, but the officials and VAR are making sure they get over the line in games. That's what we need to overcome tonight, we need our players to stand up and be counted and take the (Incompetent/corrupt) officials out the equation. See the dive by chamberlain at the weekend for the free kick that set up their first goal.

DCL or anyone with a late winner would be fantastic. We're due a result there, let's get it tonight.

Jim Bennings
66 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:33:51

I think in 1994 in Big Joe's first game football was more physical, tackles flew in for an hour before even a yellow card was brandished (some would have been straight red now)

That was the era when we were allowed to embrace the Dogs of War mentality and basically we would at times physically bully Liverpool out of it.

Over the last 15 or so years it's become more about the football and not the physical side of it and that's where we've started struggling, we haven't made the changeover whereas Liverpool have become better, more athletic and fitter.

In the 90's you would always fancy bullying the likes of Barnes, Redknapp, McAteer, McManaman out of things.

Obviously Fowler was always a big threat and Owen after that but in the main I rarely feared playing them anywhere.

Now they are all so quick, sleek, physically fine tuned and clinical it's hard to outrun them or even bully them due to tighter restrictions in tacking.

Richard Cusworth
67 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:48:56
So here's a crazy idea. Given we can't even score against them in recent games, all I can see with Richi up top is VVD winning every dual and with our man on the floor all night. Why not sacrifice Siggy and say your job is go up top and effectively mark VVD. Siggy will be over run in midfield but may be useful from dead balls... The one argument having him on at all. Play Richi behind him so he has a little more space to run with the ball rather than he being the one to hold it up (which he can't do) Just trying to find a way to break my negative thinking of this game Maybe crazy with floors in the idea but got to try something
Peter Mills
68 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:54:05
It is a basic human right, enshrined in human conventions, constitutions, bills of rights, to be protected from cruel and unusual punishment. It does not apply to Evertonians.

It is almost 50 years to the day since Everton's glide towards the League Championship was interrupted by a 0-3 home defeat inflicted by the rs, aided by poor Sandy's flying own goal. Since then, we have suffered deeply and often strangely at their hands.

The catalogue of deserved hammerings, desperately unlucky defeats, cruel cup losses, inept and/or corrupt refereeing, concession of last minute goals, truly bizarre last minute events like Origi's, McAllister's, Hutchison's, Thomas's, would be harsh to take over a lifetime of football. But to have suffered them against one club, and that club, has been torture.

Like many, I fear that football's latest sick punishment, VAR, may use its devious devices against us. I worry we may simply not be good enough. But fear in this game will lead to defeat. Our only hope is that someone at Everton, be it the manager, a coach or a player, will dismiss history, banish trepidation and do something extraordinarily special.

There will not be fear in those Evertonians attending - good luck to every Blue going there tonight. I hope you are rewarded.

Steve Croston
69 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:58:47
For the first time in over 10 years, I'm not going to follow the game in any form at all. I'm going to bed and will see the result when I wake up. The last time I did that we won 3-0, with AJ scoring a Reina- gifted header in the last minute. C'mon Blue Boys, sort it out tonight please!!!
David Stranack
70 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:06:19
Someone pleeeeease get this in front of the Everton players for tonight:

It's a fcuking horrible 1 sided lazy article that TBH I've come to expect from the BBC & red shite loving media. Regardless, if this doesn't get someone up for a game, there really is no hope. + it would save Silva a team talk!!!

Brent Stephens
71 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:10:01
David, #70 - I think that's pretty much objective reporting, and mirrored by more than a few posts on here about our record and our prospects tonight. The truth hurts. But I'll "travel" in hope tonight.
Eddie Dunn
72 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:11:28
On the plus side- we have nothing to lose- no-one gives us a chance. On the minus side, I can see Firminio trying to get Holgate sent off.
I want us to get stuck in, and give it a real go, whatever the result.
Paul A Smith
73 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:14:40
Don't worry too much about the big decisions tonight.

It will be the little 50/50s that go their way and take momentum from us that matter overall. Same every derby.

Phil Greenough
74 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:15:11
Copied from the BBC website, read it and weep.

Everton have not won at Anfield this century - their last victory a 1-0 win on 27 September 1999, courtesy of a Kevin Campbell goal - and have only left the ground with three points on seven occasions since World War Two.

It has been 19 derbies since they tasted victory at either Anfield or Goodison - when Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta secured a 2-0 Blues home win on 17 October 2010.

Steve Ferns
75 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:20:05
Phil, I don't think anyone needs reminding that the last time Everton won at Mordor "Super Kev" Campbell "scored in the scramble".
Craig Walker
76 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:24:54
Jim @66. Great points! There are some characteristics that team had which we could still learn from. We posed a threat at set pieces with Hinchcliffe's corners and Duncan's "presence" (when did we last have such a threat?) We also had a togetherness, some belief and a sense of pride. I don't see that in the likes of Schneiderlin, Walcott, Sigurdsson etc. Them lot have a formidable attacking line-up and since they signed van Dyke and Alisson, they've addressed their weaknesses at the back. We've got weaknesses all over the pitch. Origi can't get a game for them but he'd be the first name on the teamsheet for us.

My lad will be 9 next week. We have never beaten that lot in his lifetime. He has to suffer RS and other glory-grabbing fans taking the proverbial out of him. If there is a God, please let it happen. Just for once. I promise I won't gloat or rub it in RS fans' noses. I'll just quietly enjoy it and I won't get carried away thinking we're the greatest team there is. Just once. Please. It's not much to ask is it?

Steve Ferns
77 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:26:27
Can anyone ever remember a more low key Derby? Sure, it's midweek and that never helps. Liverpool have both eyes on the title and there's been little build up, presumably as the game is on Amazon and not Sky or BT.
Brian Wilkinson
78 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:28:24
I normally dread Derbies, tonight though I am relaxed, all the pressure is on Liverpool and it's supporters.

This is a game every man and his dog is expecting Everton to lose, never has there been so much pressure on those over the Park in getting a win and their supporters will be bricking themselves on not taking three points in this one.

Can you imagine the stick their supporters will get if they fail to nail a win.

I do not see it happening but again this is Everton, don't be suprised if we turn up for once tonight.

We have nothing to lose, ok 3 points, but so much to take out it it.

Even 45 years on and we are still talking about Carlisle doing the double over us and costing us the league title.

So anything is possible.

As the saying goes, it's a funny old game.

Dave Williams
79 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:31:12
Steve- it has been quiet hasn't it! I guess they have bigger fish to fry and our attention has been on the managerial situation. Wouldn't it be great if we could remind them that they have genuine competition locally?
Jay Woods
80 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:32:22
Park the bus for 85 and then go all-out in the last 5 for a smash and grab winner.

Realistically, though, we can't defend and we can't score, whereas LFC can do both at an elite level, plus they're at home, plus they have VAR on their side... and that's before we even consider their paranormal jamminess and our endless bad luck.

Jerome Shields
81 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:37:35
I hope Everton put in a performance, but expect them to follow the same pattern as other games. Everton are going to need to be lucky and Silva has to get his substitutions right for once.
Neil Wood
82 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:43:44
Surely someone must be poorly and can't go. surely !!! If so I will have the ticket please!

Seriously though if anyone has or knows of anyone who can't make it 07879551102

Steve Brown
83 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:44:10
Sidebe Keane Mina Digne
Davies Iwobi
Richarlison Kean Bernard.

Set up solid, balls down the channels behind their fullbacks, ten Hail Marys and a double brandy.

Steve Brown
84 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:45:25
The way this season is going for the Shite, VAR will getting nominated for their Hall of Fame soon.
Don Alexander
85 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:48:17
I don't usually pay much attention to pre-match threads but the devil in me makes me wonder which player will be trotted out after the match to pontificate to the masses.

I'll open the bidding with our Cenk.

Bah Humbug!

Mark Murphy
86 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:49:10
Bill @33,
IF we win tonight, Silva can stay as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned!!


Neil Wood
87 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:51:54
Steve, I like that team but I'd still like to see him given free rein as a floating No 10.
Anthony Murphy
88 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:59:30
I think it's low-key because no-one outside Merseyside gives a shit about this derby anymore. That's our fault.
Phil Greenough
89 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:03:04
But it is okay for you to post your endless facts, theories and trivia, Steve? Regardless of your sweeping statement, not everyone will be aware of the statistics, I posted.

More importantly, If you had read the first sentence, you should have comprehended, that the content of what I posted was dictated by the original author.

Kevin Prytherch
90 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:04:28
Silva will go 4-2-3-1, and he should. It's a formation that works against teams who come at us.

I expect it to be a compact 4-4-2 when defending with little space between the lines of 4 and both wide players doing their bit defensively. I then expect both wingers to break if we turn over the ball with both central midfielders pretty much holding their positions.

Personally I'd play:

Coleman – I fancy him more than Sidibe in a derby
Holgate – I think he'll get under Firmino's skin
Schneiderlin – and tell him to cover the area in front of the centre-backs
Bernard – if fit; if not then Walcott
Sigurdsson – for his pressing off the ball
Calvert-Lewin – the only player with the attributes to cause Van Dijk problems and bring others into play.

Won't be popular but we've proved time and again it works against better opposition.

Steve Ferns
91 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:10:24
I like the 5-4-1 we played against Leicester for this one:

Sidibe Holgate Mina Keane Digne
Iwobi Davies Sigurdsson Richarlison

Of course the widemen are all attacking so it's a 3-4-3 as much as 5-4-1. Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin should play 45 minutes each and cram the effort they do into 90 into 45 and that might be enough to do the job between them! I would prefer Delph, but he's out, Gbamin's out, Gomes is out, and even Baningime is out.

I don't like Iwobi through the middle unless it's in an advanced midfield role and the more I see of him, the less convinced I am of him. Great in flashes, but a liability at times with his careless passing. What's the point in all the good he does if he just gives it away in such dangerous circumstances. He can't be risked through the middle, he needs to be high up the pitch or out wide.

There's reasons to be optimistic though:
1. Liverpool have already awarded themselves the title
2. They consider these 3 easy points;
3. Since "winning the league" against Man City, they have been unconvincing against Palace, Napoli and Brighton;
4. If our players really want to save Silva's job, then a win would go a long way towards that;
5. If our players want to get rid of the anger at Goodison, then a win will go a long way towards that too;
6. Alisson is missing following the red card, so is Fabino with injury;
7. The luck has to change sometime, they cannot keep being lucky, and lucky against us, and us unlucky, and particularly unlucky against them, we are due one.

Sorry, tried to list 10 things, but lucky 7 will do!

Steve Ferns
92 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:14:49
Kevin, Seamus Coleman is definitely not playing tonight. Still injured, I'm afraid.
Danny Baily
93 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:19:25
Walcott and Sidibe providing crosses for Tosun up front, with Richarlison playing off him. COYB!
Paul A Smith
94 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:45:08
It's been a sickener and no coincidence Coleman hasn't played at Anfield since Moyes era, I think it is?
John Kavanagh
95 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:49:24
I will be watching through my fingers and will feel like a rubbernecker unable to resist slowing down to see a terrible car crash.

As we often get a player sent off to make us less competitive Silva might do the ref's job for him by picking Schneiderlin making us start with 10 men. Add Sigurdsson and Walcott into the mix and it's 11 vs 8. If the RS start slowly, they will be given their customary penalty to get them started.

That's before they need to even think of deploying their new terror weapon VAR. If by some miracle, we are drawing or God forbid even winning against the FA's decreed Champions there is also the new rule that extra time be extended until the RS score. So we need to be 2-0 up or score in the 98th minute at 0-0 to get a result.

And then cruelest of all there is the Twighlight Zone ability of one of our own to completely and inexplicably fuck-up at a crucial time.

For all that, I'm dreaming of Richarlison or Calvert-Lewin scoring a Sharpy 1984 in the 98th minute to redress by a tiny amount the injustices of past years.

Every Blue, whatever the odds, will be shouting for us tonight and we will have every football-loving neutral on the planet behind us as well.


David Pearl
96 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:52:03
Steve, 91

l agree with you that the formation is likely staying the same. It worked quite well and gave us something to build on. I can't see Iwobi keeping his place over Walcott, and l would also expect Siggy to drop out for Morgan. That is unless Sigurdsson is played further forward.

Of course anytime we have anything to build on after a loss it's normally changed instead of tinkered with.

I'm guessing Tosun, or anyone coming into this team only gets two bites.

We are not without a chance tonight. I want some shots on goal to test Adrian.

I'm going for Mina first scorer. And a 0-1...

Jer Kiernan
97 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:55:51
@Steve 77

Low key is right. To Sky, the game is a "product" they will always ignore anything they cannot sell: Champions League, World Cups, English football pre 1992.

I often felt the gulf between the 2 clubs in past 3 decades but never more than this week, but maybe, just maybe, there is a god?

1-3 (Richarlison x 2)

Simon Smith
98 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:05:42
I'm having to watch this with 2 kopites..

I'm fearful for their safety because if they maul us, I'll maul them.

James Marshall
99 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:10:36
What are people smoking on here? The last time the RS lost a game at home in the Premier League was April 23, 2017, when Crystal Palace won 2-1.

The last time Everton won away in the league at Mordor was about 1975. At least it feels like it.

This blind faith in our shitty team to win over there is beyond me, but fair play to you for being so positive!

Simon Smith
100 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:12:01
It was 1999 james
James Marshall
101 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:12:18
I know, Simon - I was taking the piss.
Steve Ferns
102 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:17:22
Imagine if a team was coming to Goodison on our run, and with a £28m striker yet to score. We'd expect to lose 1-0 with said striker getting a 107th minute winner. Then we'd say, "Everton, that".

Why can't it work the other way for once?

Marc Hints
103 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:19:30
We all know how this will go tonight. Silva will play Schneiderlin tonight and be very defensive and it will be backs to the wall. Its his job he is more worried about so he will try for a draw. It will (as in the past) backfire and I think the red shite will run out comfortable winners.
Jamie Crowley
104 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:21:59
I really liked the 5-4-1 / 4-3-3 morph formation from the weekend. For 70 or so minutes we were set up well and were the better team.

My issues with the formation are when two things happen:

1. We turn the ball over while our wingbacks are higher up the pitch. If Mina, whom I like, has an awful game again as he did on Sunday, when that happens we are entirely too vulnerable when turning the ball over (see goal #1 against Sunday). If we had a VVD back there, those screw ups would be in a safe pair of hands.

2. Our two midfielders are asked to do a hellava lot in this formation, and they'll get tired. Silva has to recognize who to sub out, and not "pull a Skater boi faux pax" and leave Tom (or whomever is tired in this game) in entirely too long.

If Mina is on his game, we limit turnovers, and Silva gets his subs right, we'll be in it. But the margin for error is razor-thin.

Maybe instruct the wingbacks to hold back more against a very potent opponent, and move Iwobe inside when a midfield sub is needed, bringing Morgan on very late if needed for the other central midfielder?

Last comment. For the love of all things Blue, please lay the fuck off Tom Davies, you negative haters out there. He's going to turn the ball over - fucking Messi losses possession or makes a wayward pass every now and again. Why some, I've noticed mostly local Blues, feel the need to absolutely crucify this kid the second he makes a single wayward pass, is absolutely beyond me. It's seriously disgusting the treatment this kid gets. He's talented, he's Blue, he's the future, he's presently your only hope in midfield, and yet many here rip the kid to shreds and he can't do a single thing right.

Tom Davies has played superbly since Gomes was injured. He turned the ball over for goal number one last weekend, but Mina & Co. in the back looked terrible while they attempted to defend. Goal #2 our manager should have NEVER had him on the pitch - he'd run so hard for his Club the poor kid could barely move at the end of the game.

Seriously, get off the kid's back already. Eat your own young, some of you.

James Marshall
105 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:22:18
If they score first, we'll probably get twatted. If we score first, they'll probably get irritated and twat us.

Or it'll be 0-0. It's been 0-0 a few times lately eh.

None of my lines of thinking have us winning tonight. This feels like the stark reality of things.

Steve Ferns
106 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:39:59
Anyone read the latest piece in the Athletic? Link

Spoiler alert: Moshiri wanted Zaha against Brands wishes. Moshiri does not come across well in the article. However, it's all hearsay from unnamed sources. The authors are Paddy Boyland and Greg O'Keefe who are ex-echo reporters and both big blues, with great connections.

Paul A Smith
107 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:43:50
Aren't them two doing a podcast together now Steve? I watched O'Keefe and some other fella, on a sit-down with Bellew.

To be quite honest. Greg O'Keefe is a brown-nose Echo Boy that has either talked a load of nonsense or never backed the fans' gripes with the club, so I wouldn't rely on him for anything.

Let's stick together today, Blues. I wish you all a fair night with as little anger as possible.

Simon @98, you are one brave man or maybe a saint? Once kick-off has passed, I can't look at them alien pricks and I am related to a few.

Spew them too.

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:48:36
Paul, O'Keefe does a podcast with Tony Scott called "All together now". Boyland does the "Blue Room" which is linked on ToffeeWeb.

I like O'Keefe but that's because I knew him when he was a lowly court reporter for the Echo and we used to discuss all things Everton. I suppose you could say we both talked nonsense together!

Brian Mahoney
109 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:49:50
Every team that's played at Anfield this season has scored. That record will go tonight.
Anthony Murphy
110 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:53:05
Mina due a goal from a set play. Kean due a goal (if he gets on). They concede nearly every game, so our defence needs to be faultless.

Keane and Mina need to be careful tonight in the box - both can be clumsy at times.

My fear is it'll be going okay until Mane, Salah or some other gobshite will go flying to the floor with the slightest touch in search of a penalty. You all know what happens next.

Paul A Smith
112 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:11:51
If it goes by due goals, we should win 10-3 Ant.

Fair enough, Steve, you are allowed to like whoever mate. I lost time for him after seeing him on Twitter lose an argument to someone I know that's thick as a pig's bum.

I wondered how he earned a wage after that but he isn't alone. The Echo is full of social media researchers, looking for an easy script of heat of the moment opinions.

Mike Price
113 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:21:42
Even if we score, VAR will just keep going further and further back until they find a rule violation and disallow it.

VAR has made ‘big team' favouritism so much easier to implement and it's been a massive factor in them being so far clear at the top.

We've always known it and had to live with it, now Guardiola and all at Man City know it too.

Kim Vivian
114 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:23:44
John - 95. Nail On head. Just how I've been feeling.

James - 105 Best laugh I've had today. If it wasn't so sad to be a blue it would be hilarious.

However, got a good feeling about tonight. I don't know why because I do every week but to day seems different
...there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's right
And you know that it's right
We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together now

Lock up the streets and houses
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's right
And you know that it's right...

...TONIGHT Blues.

Nurse !

Jay Wood

115 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:24:30
Jamie @ 104. I agree with you on the criticism Tom Davies got after Sunday's game.

I couldn't understand in the immediate aftermath how, as some did, he was found at fault on both goals. Pickford was also picked out by some as being at fault on the first goal because his 70-metre goal kick fell to a Leicester player, thus 'cheaply' turning over the ball.

That Leceister player's headed clearance fell between two competing midfielders near the centre circle in their half, Tom being the Everton player. The Leicester player won out. It happens, for goodness sake!

They were still 60 metres from our goal, our defensive set up was not totally awry (although Sidibe on our right flank was quickly made redundant because he was so far advanced). Digne, Keane, Mina and Holgate were back in defence. Sigurdsson was also covering.

The key moment for me was Holgate's poor awareness and positioning in relation to Vardy. Now Holgate had an otherwise good game for the most part, but when they attack down our left flank, Holgate KNOWS Jamie Vardy is behind him on the right because he looks behind him and sees him. But Holgate doesn't check his run towards the centre of our penalty, when he should have tracked Vardy and got tighter to him. That way the goal doesn't happen.

The winning goal I would concede Tom Davies is more culpable because, even though he loses cheap possession and it's 60 metres from our goal, the turnover gives Leicester runners at an over-exposed defence. But as you note, there were further mitigating circumstances.

I said before a ball was kicked when the line-up was announced that Tom Davies was going to be a busy boy. And he was. But people dwell on a couple of stray passes and ignore the many sharp forward passes that Tom makes EVERY game, never mind the shift he puts in.

It was obvious Tom was running on fumes with 20 minutes to go. Leicester started overrunning us in midfield. Both he and Sigurdsson were on yellow cards so couldn't afford to make any cheap fouls and risk a second yellow and a red card. But Silva didn't sub either of them when it was needed.

And exactly as he did at Brighton when we also lost to a last-minute goal, Silva was not pragmatic in his management of the team, playing away at difficult opponents, deep into injury time, on for a vital point, he was still allowing his full-backs to steam forward.

That heavily exposed us when Tom's intended pass was turned over and Leicester and VAR did the rest.

The loss was cruel. But it was, IMO, more on the manager than on Tom Davies for his poor substitutions and passiveness in reacting to how Leicester changed their tactics and the dynamics of the game.

Jamie Crowley
116 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:34:53
Jay -

I concur 100% with everything you say, and far more descriptively and eloquently than I.

At any rate, I often have “feelings” predictively before games. I almost knew we'd blow it against Norwich.

For some reason I think we are going to acquit ourselves well today. That's not saying I think we will win. I actually don't think we will. But I think the players will be up for it no matter what the lineup.

In the end, they have more quality and that will be the difference. Hopefully I'm wrong. But minimally I'm holding to hope, as I do believe we will come out firing and ready to put in 100%.

Martin Berry
117 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:37:31
2-0 Everton!
Tony J Williams
118 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:42:53
It's fucking irrelevant who we play tonight, they have Mike Dean reffing for them. A man whose two sons have season tickets for Liverpool. A man who has never officiated a game at Mordor in all his 22 years on the job.

Atkinson is the cheat, I mean ref, watching the VAR so we are fucked even if there was the slightest minuscule chance these bunch of lazy useless fuckers decided to turn up and play football. It's going to be a fucking mauling.

Jonathan Tasker
119 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:44:29
Not part of this thread but just seen a piece in the daily mail where they say Everton have a 㿲 m price tag on Lucas Digne.


Kenwright obviously been taking journos out to lunch.

Brent Stephens
120 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:49:33
Jonathan, that £70m tag might be ridiculous if we wanted to sell him. What if we didn't want to sell him?
John Keating
121 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:53:23
Totally agree about O'Keefe when at the Echo. He was only interested in toeing the Club line and piss on the fans. As long as he and his Echo cohorts got their prawn sandwiches and treble G&Ts at Goodison and free dinners at Finch Farm, he was happy.

I remember the total non-support he and his Echo mates gave us during the Blue Union time and the arguments with the Club. A tosser, but then that's only my opinion

Steve Ferns
122 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:53:33
Jay and Jamie, did you know Tom Davies was carrying an injury as well? Unlike some of our shirkers, the lad never fails to put himself on the line. Of all of our players he is the bravest. Exactly what we need right now. I hope he's fit and raring to go.
Brian Hennessy
123 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:54:22
Steve @91,

"Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin should play 45 minutes each and cram the effort they do in 90 into 45 "

Schneiderlin could cram the effort he does in 90 minutes into 45 seconds and he would still look like my TV was stuck on slow motion..

Jason Wilkinson
124 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:54:30
Martin Berry,

Love it lad. Goals from???

Steve Ferns
125 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:58:10
Jason, Mike Dean can score them both, who cares as long as we leave Mordor with all three points?
Alan J Thompson
126 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:58:22
If you know yer 'istory...

I've read all these teams and everyone has missed the man who always gets a goal for Silva against this mob... Yeah, Oumar!

Steve Ferns
127 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:59:51
Alan, I forgot he was still with us! Has anyone seen the lesser spotted Cuco Martina recently? Is he on "Gardening Leave" or something?
John Keating
128 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:00:06

If his lads are season ticket holders as well as all the other stuff we've heard about Dean, how the hell is he allowed to ref this game? Surely that alone must preclude him?

Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

Jamie Crowley
129 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:10:18
Steve I had no idea Tom was playing through injury.

Absolutely furthers the point.

Dale Rose
130 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:13:28
All of these permutations of teams for once, in their privileged and over-paid lives are going to have to step up to the plate and perform. They are on paper some of the best players in the country.

Just earn your fucking money for once. If all the fans supporting you performed as you do they would be sacked from their chosen occupations without the huge life-changing payoffs you earn.

James Marshall
131 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:18:52
Southampton play Norwich at home tonight, so there's every chance we could be firmly in the bottom 3 by the end of the game later. What a thrill.
Brian Harrison
132 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:19:01
I am always baffled when we take dead ball situations we can never find the head of Mina or Keane. Same with long throws from Digne again never seems to be an occasion when Mina or Keane reach these long throws. Yet VVD and Matip or Lovren always seem to get on the end of corners I think they have scored 6 goals between them this season.

Now I am presuming that we work on these set pieces at Finch farm, and the big advantage from set pieces is you should know exactly were the ball will be aimed, which our opponents don't. So you would think that we should get a better return from the set pieces than we do at present.

Steve Ferns
133 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:23:41
Brian, I don't get those Digne long throws either. He doesn't ever throw it long enough, flat enough, and certainly I cannot remember one coming to anything. Or am I forgetting something?
Alan J Thompson
134 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:27:18
Brian(#132); Not to mention that at one time against Leicester we had three men unchallenged to head in but got in each others way and after what we were told was a Finch Farm set piece we've yet to see a repeat of Holgate nodding on to Davies at the back post.
Raymond Fox
135 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:28:09
Alan # 126, that's actually not such a crazy idea, he'd be a handful I've no doubt.
That apart, on paper and everything else you choose to look at we havn't a cat in hell's chance tonight, their too strong for us up front.
That's the logical me, but the other me is hoping for a minor/major miracle and we stuff them.
Kieran Kinsella
136 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:35:28
I loved the derby when I was at Uni. We never lost in the Royle, Kendall III, Smith good ole days but we lost to everyone else. Moyes came along and reversed that and now we lose to everyone. We are overdue for an Andy King derby.
Jason Wilkinson
137 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:40:31
Without wishing to sound like a defeatist. We can't score against Sheff U, Villa or Norwich.
A Lucas Digne throw to a sliced clearance back of the post deflected in by a pork pie will do me.
We need Duncan, Tim and Bill in Stockley park tonight.
Steavey Buckley
138 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:43:11
Silva carrying on as manager is a joke. Somebody else in charge has failed to read the league table, which has Everton at 4th from bottom on their way further down the league until keeping Watford company as Everton look likely to be relegated with them. There are many reasons why Everton are in a perilous position, one good reason, Silva plays people out of position. He has players playing as wingers when they are forwards.
John G Davies
139 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:46:27
Not interested in formation.
Not interested in substitutions.
If we don't compete one to eleven we're goosed
Jason Wilkinson
140 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:48:18
On the plus side lads,
I normally get a good feeling about the derby. Followed by a good drubbing.
I don't have any hope so
Jamie Crowley
141 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:53:36
With apologies to Tim Greeley, how did it come to this?


Steve Ferns
142 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:05:50
I like it Jamie. But you probably do not realise that Bernard Hill, who plays King Théoden in "Lord of the Rings", made his name on British TV playing the iconic Liverpudlian "Yozzer Hughes" in the "Boys from the Blackstuff". Before my time, but the show lives on in local memory as evidenced in the recent "Moyes from the Blackstuff" Article.
Kieran Kinsella
143 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:07:45
Paul Hewitt 39,

Agreed. I'm at work so will have to watch updates on BBC News. I can see it all now .

3 mins, frenetic start, Mane inches wide
11mins, Everton settling now having the better of possession
15 mins Schneiderlin yellow card for a late tackle
31 mins PENALTY! Salah converts
50 mins RED CARD Schneiderlin head butts ref
51 mins Silva subs Kean on as goalie for Pickford
89 mins 2-0 Mane
90 mins 3-0 Salah
91 mins Coleman red card
92 mins 4-0 Milner
93 mins 5-0 Salah
94 mins 6-0 Salah
95 mins Stadium update from DBB
96 mins Sig says "we need to stick together"
97 mins meltdown on ToffeeWeb
98 mins someone on ToffeeWeb says "let's have some perspective, we were unlucky."

Jamie Crowley
144 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:20:07
Steve @ 142 -

This is the second time I have to say, I had no idea.

Twice in one thread! Well played, M'man.

Jay Wood

145 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:32:43
Steve @ 142. What you learn from TW!

In all these years, I never knew that Bernard Hill - Yosser 'Gissa Job' Hughes - appeared in Lord of the Rings.

Jamie C, I've shared the link before, but if you want to watch the two TV dramas of 'Boys From the Black Stuff' - and it would be time well invested, trust me - try these:










If you want sharp cutting edge insight into the social plight of Liverpool at the time of Everton's mid-80s success Jamie, this will give it to you in spades.

You might struggle without sub-titles, mind! But then, your Irish-American will probably help you out!

Yosser Hughes - Bernard Hill - is the standout tragic-comic figure throughout.

Jay Harris
146 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:33:17
I am still in a state of shock that Silva is still here and the board seem to be doing nothing so I'm finding it hard to post anything constructive.

My heart says we are long overdue a result at Mordor but my head says we will be knackered after the fruitless effort on Sunday, an injury ravaged squad to choose from, a manager that cant get team selection or tactics right and whose in game management is suspect and to top all that our seat allocation has been reduced meaning our support will not be as evident.

My oh my the joys of being a Blue.

But nevertheless we are EVERTON and good will prevail evil (or so I was taught) so I have a feeling (hope) that we may be pleasantly surprised tonight.


Jay Harris
147 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:33:17
I am still in a state of shock that Silva is still here and the board seem to be doing nothing so I'm finding it hard to post anything constructive.

My heart says we are long overdue a result at Mordor but my head says we will be knackered after the fruitless effort on Sunday, an injury ravaged squad to choose from, a manager that cant get team selection or tactics right and whose in game management is suspect and to top all that our seat allocation has been reduced meaning our support will not be as evident.

My oh my the joys of being a Blue.

But nevertheless we are EVERTON and good will prevail evil (or so I was taught) so I have a feeling (hope) that we may be pleasantly surprised tonight.


Kim Vivian
148 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:34:47
Steve, (Jamie) - Bernard Hill is Yosser. Anything else is "...he also plays...(insert character)..."
Jonathan Tasker
149 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:37:47
In relation to Mike Dean, tonight's match is more or less fixed.

Let's face it, not one of our players would even get in their squad.

Beyond that we are playing against the crowd, a bent referee and if all else fails, there's always the safety net of VAR.

Steve Ferns
150 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:38:27
Jay, I'll have to have a look at those links. I've never watched "Boys from the Blackstuff". I just heard my dad do an impression when we watched Lord of the Rings and he pointed out the King was Yosser Hughes. When I asked who is Yosser Hughes, he did the impression and I presumed it was a comedy. But I was led to believe it was a very dark take on Thatcher's Britain and particularly Liverpool. Being around the same age as Yosser, my dad could relate to what he had been through in the 70's and 80's. So can't really take the credit for that one.
Craig Walker
151 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:43:59
Wonder which ex-RS player will be on co-commentating duties for Amazon. I'll go for Jim Beglin.
Jay Wood

152 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:49:14
You will love it, Steve. As well as hate it. Make you laugh. Make you angry. Make you proud of the resistance and resilience of the people of the city suffering under a malicious, vengeful, political system.

Try to watch them in the order I listed. I (think) I placed them in the right sequence.

The first one was a standalone 90 minute pilot when a group of friends were contracted - in good times - to work asphalting over the Pennines. It all unravels and sets the scene for the follow up drama and episodes which exclusively take place in the stark, dark days of 1980s Liverpool.

An absolute classic. Watch out for the scene when Yosser Hughes meets Graham Souness. Souness later said he was chatting with Bernard Hill before the scene was shot and thought 'What a lovely fellah!' When it came to shooting the scene and the actor turned into the manic and desperate Yosser Hughes, Souness said he was genuinely afraid of the guy, so convincing was he in his role.

Paul Tran
153 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:52:56
Steve, you can watch all The Boys from the Blackstuffs on YouTube. Recommended viewing. Captured the era superbly.
Mark Guglielmo
154 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:52:57
"Pickford, Sidibé, Mina, Keane, Digne, Schneiderlin, Davies, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Walcott, Richarlison"

That's a perfect line-up, and given the names, 4-2-3-1 formation.

At least the RS will get their first home clean sheet.

Raymond Fox
155 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:54:06
Good one Kieran, always good for a chuckle on here.
The scary part is that a lot of it could come true!
Steve Ferns
156 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:59:14
Jay and Paul, will do, ironically posted about Trevor Sinclair's views on Liverpool based on this era in the Premier League Week 14 thread, so this can return to the Derby.
Mark Guglielmo
157 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:03:15
These threads are the best. Steve posts a link to a really well-done Athletic piece, with comment about 1 piece of it (out of 100), and notes the authors.

The Athletic is a pay site, so I doubt anyone pays for it (besides obviously Steve and me), so thus didn't read it.

Several guess that it poses a narrative that goes against their personal beliefs because of the authors, and come to the conclusion that it's crap. Without reading it. I just can't.

Jamie Crowley
158 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:03:46
Jay -

TYVM! I will click and bookmark for future viewing.

Liverpool of the 80s fascinates me. Great history lesson for adopted Blues.

The "Scouse accent" won't phase me much. I pick up about 90% of it. My recently passed mate's wife has a really, really thick accent (to my ears). I understand her perfectly - it took years of convos and watching all these highlights and clips on youtube, etc. Still to this day occasionally, she'll rattle off something at lightning speed and I've NO idea what she's said. Not a clue.

I just tell her to slow down and repeat, for Yank ears.

Works a charm.

Thanks again.

Tony Abrahams
159 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:04:31
I felt sorry for Snowy-Malone the most, and could never look at Chrissy, or listen to him narrate in Thomas the Tank Engine, without thinking about what a dirty snitch he was!
Jamie Crowley
160 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:09:19
Jay and anyone linking to Jay's post -

I think links number 3 and 4 (from top down) are duplicates.

James Hughes
161 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:25:50
Jay Woods, I know you and few others are fellow Lanckie & england cricket followers.
Just seen Bob Willis has died, a sad day. That Headingley test match was a great few days. sorry to interrupt the thread
Dave Williams
162 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:31:46
Mark #154 that would be the kiss of death for Silva!
Paul Jones
163 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:31:53
Anfield - Everton - VAR. At leas it is not Friday 13th. Dodged a bullet on that one ?

Jay Wood

164 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:32:01
Apologies for duplicated links Jamie. Just do a search on that video hosting site for Boys From the Black Stuff and you will find all the episodes.

Some are listed as a complete standalone episode, others are listed as episodes x, part 1 and 2.

Talking of nostalgia binge viewing, having made the comment on the Brands backing Silva thread the other day that his blazer reminded me of Patrick McGoohan in 'The Prisoner', I'm working my way through all 17 episodes of that too now!

Considering it first aired 55 years on a cheap budget, it is astonishingly well-produced and eerily predictive of (at that time) unheard of technology and the political climate we currently live under.

OK! OK! I'll stop with the video reviews for now!

Here's hoping there will be no further talk of video reviews at the end of 90 minutes tonight after Blues break their Anfield hoodoo.

Jay Wood

165 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:34:47
Shit James @ 161, I hadn't heard. That really is sad news about Bob Willis. Great moaning minnie and bowler in his day.
Joe McMahon
166 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:42:21
James @161, just heard it on the radio driving home. Amazing childhood memories when test cricket was on pre sky. The 81 Ashes, it wouldn't have been Bothams ashes without Bob. The huge run up, the hair waving as he ran, the crowd roaring. Fabulous times, and I'm gutted at the news.
Brian Wilkinson
167 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:47:10
And if you watch Coronation street Steve, Roy cropper is one of the dole snoopers who try to catch them working on the side.

Absolutely brilliant series, catching Thatchers Britain in the north, will make you laugh and also cry mate, but when you get time, put it down on your to do list.

Dave Ganley
168 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:58:08
As a side issue, fantastic gesture from a blue called Peter MacFarlane in making a banner for solidarity in the Hillsborough case stating all scousers know the truth in regards to the verdict last week, to be displayed in the anfield road end before the game. Some things transcend rivalry.
Kim Vivian
169 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:58:18
Jay - small detail - I seriously hope it wasn't 55 years ago or I have been asleep for 20 years

...and we still haven't won a league game at Mordor since 1999?

Mark Guglielmo
170 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:00:49
Paul @163 it's not a full moon is it?! Or worse, a blood moon?!

I'm wearing my home kit instead of my away kit, trying to use some good old fashion unfounded superstition here.

Jamie Crowley
171 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:06:12
Jay @ 164 -

There's ZERO need to apologize!

Anyone who's hit one of those links can easily see the progression in file names, and get any missing episodes from that site / elsewhere on the internet.

Only mentioned so people don't duplicate.

Thanks again. Very nice of you. I'll be watching soon.

Rob Hooton
172 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:09:49
I've been dreading this for so long that I've kind of become numb to it and now actually have the usual hope that we will finally break the hoodoo.
I can't believe it but I'm optimistic about tonight and have a feeling that we're going to beat them and Moisie will break his duck.
I think I'm also stark raving mad, going to stick a couple of quid on it just in case I've had an epiphany!
John Kavanagh
173 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:27:21
Never mind Boys from the Blackstuff (great as it is) here's a link to our brilliant 3 - 1 win over them lot in 1902.

Cheered me up anyway.

Apparently Herr Klopp wants a VAR review of the first three goals.

An if ya know yer history!

Repeat performance please.


Jay Wood

174 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:40:04
Kim @ 169. Relax. You maybe just nodded off for 3 years.

I was wrong about 'The Prisoner' first being aired 55 years ago. It's only...52 years!!! First broadcast in September 1967.

Where do the days-weeks-months-years-decades keep going?

As if anybody can't guess, I'm getting antsy now.

Just want the game to KO and lose myself in footy for a couple of hours.

COYFB!!!! It's TIME!!!!

Henrik Lyngsie
175 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:52:37
No worries tonight. We are winning 2-0. Sigurdsson and Kean.
Derek Knox
176 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:15:55
Jay, BRZ, I just everyone was as well informed and polite as yourself on here, although being the De'ils Advocate, sorry for the Rabbie Burns' association!

You must know by know, you could write the most informed post on here with info that people claim to clamour for, but make a spelling mistake or get a date wrong?

That is a hanging offence! 😂😋

Jay I always read your posts with interest, and appreciate them, occasionally a bit too much information, but what the hell!

Steve Ferns
177 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:17:56
2 hours to kick off. Nervous as hell. Can't eat. Anyone got any calm pills going spare?
Bill Fairfield
178 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:24:28
If the Morgan fella plays all evertonians will more miserable than they already are,please Marco don't put this fella in
Dave Abrahams
179 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:26:05
If you watch BFTBS Jamie look out for the one where Jozza goes to confession, always a talking point when BFTBS is brought up, which is quite often in Liverpool pubs.
Simon Dalzell
180 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:29:30
Steve # 77. Yes I can. It doesn't feel 'low key' to me. All to play for. i.e. League title / relegation fight.
Paul Kelly
181 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:37:15
It's weird you say that Steve, I used to be exactly same, wound up days before the kick off, I kid you not. This close to kick off I'd usually be singing songs, abusing mates, pissing locals off in the pub, now, absolutely nothing.

As I said it's weird, come kick off I'll probably be manic, but at the moment, mellow as.

Jamie Crowley
182 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:45:42
Roger that Dave Abrahams! I'll look for it to be sure.


James Hughes
183 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:45:46
Please just give that lot a game tonight. Cant even be arsed to put a couple of quid on he result.
Come On You Mighty Blues, kick start our December
John Keating
184 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:52:30
That's the lads just arrived at Mordor.
Young Gordon in his trackie great for him being on the bench with luck.
Interviewing all the RS supporters, so far NOT a single one with a local accent !
Conor Skelly
185 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:58:34
Good evening Blues. Derby under the lights at Anfield. What's not to love?

Personally, I still love the excitement and if we play well and score a few goals, I'll be getting my money's worth.

If he plays the usual conservative team that includes Morgan, Gylfi and Calvert-Lewin we have no chance.

But, with the 5-3-2 formation that includes Kean, Sidibe (in his wing-back role), and a returning Bernard, we give ourselves the possibility of a revelation and a new start. It's remote, but a possibility.

Marco HAS to roll the dice tonight. He literally has nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain.






Dave Ganley
186 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:59:06
John #184 that's because the gobshites all swarm in from out of town, just been past lime st and theres loads of them coming off the trains
Dave Williams
187 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:12:00
This is worse than being at the hospital waiting for first born to arrive. A few minutes and we will see what sort of a chance we have when we learn the teams.
Steve Ferns
188 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:15:36
More nervous than for any exam Dave! At least then I could draw on my inner confidence and knowledge I'd prepared and was ready.

Amazon's format is decent. They've spent some money on this. Just would change a load of the pundits. Only Martinez on our side here!

Steve Ferns
189 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:16:33
Teams are out. Liverpool have left Salah and Firmino out.

We are unchanged.

David Pearl
190 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:17:18
Exactly the same team, as predicted. Same formation as last time.., better bench though
Dave Williams
191 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:17:43
That's the problem isn't it Steve- exams are under our control but team selection, tactics and individual performance are not!
We place our faith in these guys and hope that one of these seasons we will be rewarded.
Steve Ferns
192 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:18:53
I'm happy he's gone for the same side. Didn't want him to shift and put Schneiderlin in and go 4231. It's all about the subs and the timings for us now.
Jay Wood

193 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:24:07
Is Klopp exuding confidence or contempt for Everton with that selection?
Colin Glassar
194 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:48:22
Even Formby FC would fancy their chances against Everton right now.

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