Brands preaches unity and pledges improvement

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New deal for Richarlison

Marcel Brands has broken the silence from Everton since last Saturday's dismal 2-0 defeat to Norwich by stressing that the club is united in its determination to improve the current situation.

The Blues' Director of Football spoke to the fanbase via an interview on the official website today to say that he has faith in the players' desire to turn around a miserable run of form while also revealing that Richarlison is close to agreeing a new long-term contract.

Brands revealed that members of the board of directors met with under-fire manager Marco Silva after the defeat at Burnley to see what could be done to improve results while also speaking with individual players and initiating team-building activities to try and build squad morale following a highly disappointing start to 2019-20.

The Dutchman said that after an uptick in results since Turf Moor, the VAR-affected defeat at Brighton notwithstanding, no one expected such a terrible reverse against the Canaries but he says everyone believes that things can and will improve.

"When you look at the results and the rankings, I think we all expected better," Brands said. "We have a very good squad and we have to improve our results and that's also what Marco is working very hard on with the players to get done.

"As a Board, we have got to support that. Of course, we know in sport, as always, you have to perform - that's me, the manager, the players, for everyone.

"But it's also important, especially in this club, after a couple of years of instability, to stick together in this situation.

"I think it is most important that the squad feels it can improve the situation and as a Board we are united in that. It's important now that we all stick together to improve our situation.

"Most people know that I always go to the dressing room after the game, to see how the atmosphere is.

"Of course, everyone was disappointed last Saturday but you saw also really in the eyes of the players the fire that they want to resolve this, to turn this around — together with the whole staff.

"That's important coming up towards the next couple of games. They will be tough games but games where we can improve."

While he hasn't hit the goalscoring form that he did last season, Richarlison has been one of the Blues' most effective players this season and he has five goals to his name to add to the 14 he notched in his first season at Goodison Park following a £40m move from Watford last year.

The club have moved to tie him down to an extended contract and Brands indicated that that was close to completion.

"One of the positives things that happened during the week is that we are busy with the last details with extending the contract for one of our key players, Richarlison, until 2024.

"I think that's something positive, especially for the long term, of course."  

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Jay Harris
1 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:42:20
Call me a cynic but the only reason they have given Richarlison a new contract is because Silva is on his way and that prevents Richy from leaving anytime soon unless it's for a big fee.
Ken Kneale
2 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:46:40
Too right, you can improve, Marcel – from top to bottom of this club. It can hardly get worse without being a complete catastrophe. If the boardroom, the manager and the players really mean this, let us see action where it matters and a diary entry so we can review this bland statement of intent.
Jack Convery
3 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:48:23
I reckon the new contract is so a larger transfer fee is included as he will want out if Silva leaves.

Fire in their eyes – isn't that supposed to be before the match. Fuck me! You can't make this stuff up. Dick "oh, you are awful" Emery has left Arsenal FC. What's the odds we will approach him!! I wouldn't put anything past this board...

Martin Nicholls
4 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:55:57
Worrying comments – suggests to me that we're stuck with Silva.
Dave Ganley
5 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:57:20
I'm inclined to agree, Jay. So I guess it's Brands's turn to be trotted out to the media and say basically the same as the players have been saying week after week. We must get better, We are united, the players are devastated, blah blah blah. If everybody was that bothered, then we wouldn't have games like last Saturday week after week.

I accept that players can have loss of form etc but with the odd exception we have been awful all season. Lacklustre, no ideas, nobody taking responsibility for terrible performances. Yet on we go, it appears that terrible runs like this are acceptable to the club as it keeps happening and somebody keeps trotting out the same shit, week after week, when all I want to hear is "This performance was shocking and it will not happen again."

NO professional pride from top to bottom, no ambition, and certainly no empathy for the fans who have to tolerate this shit, week after week. The very least a fan should expect is maximum effort every week, but they can't even deliver that once a month, let alone every week.

Bad runs that go on for months shouldn't be acceptable, why are they? No other half-decent club would accept it – but we do! The board should spend a week with the fans to see how it really affects us day to day, especially those of us living Liverpool, then they really will understand how hollow their words are. Fucking joke club.

Brian Williams
6 Posted 29/11/2019 at 15:57:40
Simply protecting our assets. If the club let his contract run down they're idiots, if they do this???????
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:03:19
No disrespect, I don't know Marcel Brands personally, never met him but don't patronise intelligence of hardened match going fans with years of experience.

According to Marcel after last weeks 0-2 home disgrace to Norwich, we saw “Fire in the players eyes”?

All I witnessed was players shoulders slumped, heads down (or shirts pulled up hiding faces in embarrassment, in fact that's all I've seen from most of our players this last four years.

Evertonian's know a team/player that has fire and desire in his eyes and his heart, and I didn't see anything like enough of that last week.

Normally it's Captain Coleman or another old pro that's wheeled out to spout the chest-beating war cry, even Brands has been roped in now.

Derek Knox
10 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:05:27
At least we have some communication from a Board Member, I suppose he has to be diplomatic, and he alludes to the players collective determinedness to rectify the sorry state of affairs.

They of course have to prove that on the field of play, to be taken seriously, and with the fixture list we have ahead of us, I don't hold a lot of expectation to pick up any points.

Even if we miraculously got a result against Leicester and Liverpool, I would still want them to be looking for a replacement Manager as he has shown in 18 months, that he has made too many errors, and a leopard never changes his spots.

Andy Riley
11 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:07:22
Didn't Richarlison sign a 5-year deal when he arrived last year? So he's extending by one year for presumably a massive pay rise. In the current situation, that hardly seems a priority for Brands or the rest of the executives who would be better concentrating on obtaining a better manager?
Denis Richardson
12 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:08:24
Brands says: "You saw also really in the eyes of the players the fire that they want to resolve this, to turn this around."

That really gives me a comfy feeling things will turn around. That the players were annoyed after being well beaten at home by the worst team in the league who until that point had only managed 1 away goal all season. So comforting to know they were unhappy about the result. hope someone got them all a warm coco with marshmallows on top to ease the pain.

4 points off the drop zone and 4 points off 8th place – the next few games are quite critical if we're going to move up or get bogged down as the table starts to spread out. Unfortunately I can see us being on the same number of points come Xmas meaning we'll then probably be in the drop zone and about 10 points off top half.

We're really on the verge of being in the shit and we still have the same manager who should have been shown the door at least 2 months ago.

Only Everton – ever reactive and never proactive.

Jay Wood

13 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:08:25
Strewth! When I tuned into the video I first thought it was unseen footage of the Patrick McGoohan 1960s classic 'The Prisoner!'


That's a cracking blazer, Marcel.

This represents the first utterances from upper management since the Norwich game. It really doesn't offer a lot. It's basically the bog-standard 'we're all hurting, we're all in this together, we're working hard to improve results' that we have routinely heard down the years from whichever player got the short straw that week to put up for the media.

Now you can't expect Brands to brazen up and bare-facedly say that Silva has got 1-2-3 games, whatever, to save his job. But it doesn't sound as if a radical remedy is on the cards any time soon.

Rick Tarleton
14 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:11:42
Arsenal have had the courage to act. They'll automatically remove one of the better candidates from the pool. Keep dithering Everton, we expect no less.
Tony Hill
15 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:12:03
Alan Myers tells us that the Board is united as to the way forward and that Moshiri's and Kenwright's relationship is as strong as ever, if not stronger.

Oh dear.

Joe Corgan
16 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:13:47
He says surprisingly little about the manager, preferring to repeatedly refer to the 'players' that need to do better. I don't think this statement should be taken as support of Marco Silva – quite the opposite, in fact.

I do wonder if he might have been better off saying nothing though, lest the fans' anger turns on him as well.

Conor McCourt
17 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:15:42
I know I'm going to get dog's abuse but I find him greasier by the day. I found this only to be about self-preservation rather than unity.

1) If he supported Silva, it's a piss-weak endorsement of him and no talk of faith or the right man, only fear to create instability;

2) If he wanted unity, all this shit should have been spouted last Saturday and not let the club be the media joke all week with Silva on death row;

3) "And, by the way, folks, despite what that clown is doing, I have got his golden boy to sign a new contract with the great squad I have assembled that he can't manage."

Jack Convery
18 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:16:26
What's really annoying is the patronising way we fans are treated by this rotten to the core club. They really do take us for idiots.

"Fire in their eyes" – ridiculous. Contract extension til 2024, when we all know that it's about raising the release fee as we will sell sooner rather than later and to one of our competitors.

I err — not one of our competitors as they currently are Norwich, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton and Watford.

Jay Wood

19 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:18:29
Joe @ 16, I think SOMEBODY from upper management needed to say something in the wake of last week. It's only taken them 6 days! Marcel Brands is the obvious candidate.

And I rather think he HAS said nothing in this interview.

Clever little sweetner at the end, throwing in that we are close to extending Richarlison's contract 'cos Everton is a club that likes to retain it's best players, innit?

Jay Harris
20 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:18:49

I totally agree. Spurs and Arsenal are acting like big clubs. At the first sign of a problem, they act decisively.

All our board seem to want is a placid yes-man. That's why Koeman didn't work out because he wouldn't put up with the shit and interference from Kenwright.

We will not progress as a club until that fraud is no longer in the corridors of power at Goodison Park.

Jim Bennings
21 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:19:39
Can people still not see that the imminent sacking of Silva will be next Thursday morning, after the derby?

They know exactly what they are doing; they are hanging Silva out to dry by giving him two games that he has zero chance in. We are sacrificing two league games so we can then have the fall guy removed.

The board are shitting themselves, let's be honest. They all know even sacking Silva this week (which would have been the sensible honourable thing to do) that getting a new man in with these upcoming away trips to Leicester and Liverpool, the new man would have had a vicious start.

Say Moyes came in before the derby on Wednesday and lost it 4-0? He'd be instantly ripped apart by the fans.

The board want Silva as the fall guy; I'd be amazed if he's still here this time next week.

Derek Knox
22 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:19:59
Jay @ 13, looks like he has just come out of either Stringfellows or the Blue Lobster. ooh Matron!
Jay Wood

23 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:21:29
Sounds as if you would know, Derek, you Bohemian Hipster you!
Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:21:35
Jim Bennings @9,

Living in Trump's America, I am only too familiar with the disconnect between words and truth. "Fire in their eyes" — What does that even mean?

Maybe the fire is because they are angry with team mates and blaming one another.

Maybe the fire is because they think the tactics are crap.

Maybe it's phoney and just driven by excuse-making...

Regardless, after 10 years of Phil Jagielka's "We know we are better than this" press conferences, I couldn't care less what anyone says. I just judge them by their actions.

Steve Ferns
25 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:21:49
Or you guys could see this as the board waiting before pressing the nuclear option.

We have all discussed the various candidates and there is no one we are all getting behind. Does this not tell you that perhaps this is not the right time? If we press the button now and get in Dyche or Howe or Moyes or Hughes or Marcelino and they struggle as much as Silva – particularly Moyes, Dyche or Hughes as the team may not suit their style – then what do we do come March? Sack them again and call Allardyce?

If we hold fire now, bear in mind it's November and wait until the window opens and see if reinforcements can rejuvenate the side, then we can still go down the Moyes route if it's not working.

Jay Wood

26 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:23:42
No Jim @ 21.

I cannot 'see' all that.

I genuinely have no idea WHAT the board thinks or does, or even if it thinks or does at all!

Mike Doyle
27 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:24:43
Fire in their eyes!. who are you trying to kid Marcel?

Sounds to me like the old 'vote of confidence' dressed up in a new suit.

Looking to extend Richarlison's contract is prudent given his age and international profile. Being Everton they're probably planning to give Delph an extension too.

Steve Ferns
28 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:28:58
Everton will not sack Silva after the derby and get someone in on the Thursday with a home match on the Saturday.

Arsenal just sacked Emery and got someone in and they have a game on Sunday. Not quite. Ljungberg was one of Emery's backroom and so has been working with the players for some time. He does not need any time to acclimatise and can hit the ground running. If we copy them, then it's getting Duncan Ferguson to take over.

I still think something drastic has to happen for him to lose his job before the Chelsea game.

John Keating
29 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:30:29
Brands, like most at board level, thinks the average supporters are thick and haven't a clue about footy.

We are told Silva prepares his teams fantastically well prior to games – doesn't show on matchday! He apparently gives our lot a full rundown on what to expect from the opposition – doesn't show on matchdays!

Now our lot have fire in their eyes – after we've just been turned over by the worst team... well, maybe second-worst team, in the league.

Hopefully Brands's support of Silva is the Dutch equivalent of the British Chairman's 'vote of confidence' kiss of death to the manager.

Jack Convery
30 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:30:36
I thought it looked like the jacket Rigsby wore when he took Miss Jones out to the stuffy restaurant, run by the draft dodger. Only the white gloves were missing.

What about a waltz!!! Or a decent manager!!

Brian Harrison
31 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:30:45
Well, this endorsement of Silva will look very hollow if he is sacked in the next 2 weeks, and what will Brands come out and say then? All this season we have had a different player put before the media to proclaim we all know we need to improve, and we are working very hard to change things.

The only time fans will believe any of this is when results start to improve, and at the moment it doesn't look like that improvement in results will be happening soon. We have a Director of Football who hasn't covered himself in glory, and a manager who doesn't know what his best 11 is. You can put in all the hours you like but, if the plan is flawed, then nothing will change.

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:33:28
It's definitely time Brands stepped out and spoke, and I'm glad to hear the Board has been involved earlier than we'd previously heard, but I'd have liked to hear more specifics about what he thinks needs improvement and how to accomplish that. He needs to stay out front now.

I also hoped he'd address the Silva situation more directly, but it's predictable that he'd be reticent about that. Derek #10, I remain certain that the decision has already been made, and that the only reason Silva is still in place is because his replacement has not been secured yet. I'm also convinced we have aimed high for a new manager and it won't be Moyes.

I'm confused about the Richarlison extension, which Brands characterized as "to 2024", since I too recall he signed a 5-year deal on arrival and Transfermarkt lists Richarlison as already under contract thru June 2024.

Joe Corgan
33 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:35:31
Brian 31 - On the contrary, I find very little in this statement which endorses the manager. Brands has clearly carefully crafted this in such as a way as to leave the door open to getting rid of Silva – presumably as soon as a suitable candidate as found.

The only thing that will save Silva at this point would be an immediate and huge improvement in results in the short window of time he has before a replacement is lined up.

Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:36:36
Brian #31, if you heard an endorsement of Silva, you heard something I didn't.
Mike Gaynes
35 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:39:16
Jack #30, I think I saw a publicity still for The Irishman in which Robert DeNiro was wearing that same jacket.
Steve Brown
36 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:49:48
Not sure what we expect Brands to say. The board realise they have to say something, but it has to be as generic as possible to allow room for manoeuvre on future decisions.

The delay in responding has been harsh on Silva as he has been hung out to dry, but the reasons were either: a) after long debates, the board want to give Silva more time in the desperate hope he might turn things around; or b) they have discussed potential candidates and realise none offer a meaningful improvement; or c) they have approached a potential candidate and couldn't get him or can't get him yet.

Certainly, the next manager has to mark a big step up on the last four managers. Who can look at Moyes, Dyche, Benitez, Howe or Arteta and say they would be? Arteta is one who excites, but he would represent a huge gamble due to his zero managerial experience. So, my guess is we are going to suffer for 2 or 3 more weeks. Leicester and Liverpool away will almost be written off as certain defeats, so it all depends on the games after that which are more winnable.

John Pierce
37 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:52:02
Arsenal part ways with Emery, we get the first utterances from Brands and it's weak predictable patter.

How very lame. Others in far less trouble than ourselves are acting and doing what needs to be done. At this rate, when we do have to sack him all the partners at the dance will have been taken.

Leaving him dangling by a thread is the worst move possible. The team only decays further with a guy the players know won't be in charge in the medium term.

It's an embarrassment, top to bottom. In a week's time, after three losses, we'll reflect why they didn't have the balls to sack him now and how we've thrown away a chance to get points under someone else, even an interim caretaker.

I'm at the point where I feel sorry for Silva, being left to twist in the wind, knowing it's only a matter of time. Cruel.

Brian Porter
38 Posted 29/11/2019 at 16:57:40
Arsenal have sacked Emery. Another 'big' club act decisively while we dither and delay in disposing of one of the worst managers in our history. What's the betting they quickly appoint a new manager, thus reducing the pool of available talent when our board finally wakes up and makes the decision to offload Silva?

A week ago, Silva was odds-on to be the next managerial sacking. Since then, both Spurs and Arsenal have now acted as you would expect big clubs to do, and as for Everton????

Raymond Fox
39 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:02:35
'Nearly signed a new contract'? I nearly do a lot of things every week. Tell us when he signs it.

The players need to have fire somewhere when they playing, never mind in their eyes in the dressing room. Brands needs to pull his socks up big time, he's been very average up to now for me.

Of course, we are not privy to what goes on the behind the scenes at the club, so maybe I'm being harsh, who knows!

John Davies
40 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:04:01
Jesus! Now our Director of Football comes out spouting total drivel and making a complete fool of himself. I guess Luvvie Bill will have to be next to tread the boards because the actors we have seen & heard from this last week have been embarrassing.

We are a laughing stock, which hurts the fans enough, but what really fucks me off is that they all expect us to be (and think we are) stupid enough to be comforted by their pathetic bullshit.

If this is the best Brands could come up with, I would prefer him to have simply shut the fuck up.

Tony Hill
41 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:04:45
We'll be sticking together with fire in our eyes... but without any recognisable midfield against the two top sides.

Carry on, Marco. We're right behind you.

Trevor Peers
42 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:06:25
How can Brands pledge an improvement? He has zero input into team selection, the whole statement reeks of total desperation.

Our leaders haven't the first idea of how to put this right, they should have the courage to make a decision and stick with it. Hesitation spreads panic; if Moshiri wants to back Silva even if it means relegation, then he should publicly say so.

John Keating
43 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:10:26
I am afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever for Silva. The Board and the players have to take some responsibility for our present situation but Silva's intransigence has brought this on himself, and he only has himself to blame.

Plus, how can you feel sorry for a millionaire who fails abjectly at his job yet gets paid millions more as a pay-off? Also, he'll probably walk into another job pretty soon. No, I feel sorry for the ordinary guy who gets turfed out of work on a whim through no fault of his own and picks up nowt.

I read a bit of his press conference and, although coming out with the usual expected crap about how he seems to know how the supporters are feeling, it didn't come across too well, especially when he came out with the statement that the same supporters moaning after Norwich were the ones lauding the team when they had previous "moments".

Well, Marco, we haven't had many bloody "moments" in the past 18 months!!!

David Greenwood
44 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:11:45
It's incredibly disappointing to hear Marcel lie to the fan base when he mentions “fire in the eyes”.

Bar a couple of them, there is absolutely no fire there whatsoever.

I've praised him many times in the past and think he is our only hope from a footballing point of view. If you're going to spout garbage like this, then that evaluation will definitely change.

I'm inclined to agree with Jim that Marco will be gone after the derby.

Of course, we could win both games...

Tony Hill
45 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:15:13
I must say that Marcel is starting to look his age a bit. The Everton makeover works a treat every time.

Quite gratifying for those of us who caved in when we were about 35.

John P McFarlane
46 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:16:15
According to Brands's statement, it sounds as though Silva has been under review since the Burnley game at Turf Moor, since which the team has lost two out of five league games and won two. The Brighton defeat could be excused to a certain extent because of VAR, but the Norwich defeat and, more importantly, the half-hearted first-half performance was as poor as the fans have had to witness for many a long year.

The board may be of the opinion that allowing Silva to keep his job with the hope that his players respond positively to that situation is the right thing to do. I'm not certain that is the correct action for the club to have taken, but we have no influence on these matters and can only hope that the points total is added to in the coming weeks.

Doubtless, by the turn of the year, the true consequences of the board's actions/inactions will be clear for all to see. As a fan, I hope it has proven to be positive; as a long-suffering Evertonian, I know it has to get as bad as it can get until the board grasp the nettle.

James Stewart
47 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:20:33
Utter shambles. The whole club are a complete embarrassment.
Jack Convery
48 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:21:07
Ray – that's the trouble: nobody knows. Least of all, the fans... without whom a football club is nothing.
Dave Ganley
49 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:21:27
Steve #25,

I get that there may not be obvious candidates around. Let's face it, Moyes has had his time and would really rip the fanbase apart, and that's coming from someone who thought Moyes did a good job of turning Everton around from the car crash it was.

Now, though, because of poor managerial decisions and very little proactive movement from the board, we are in danger of completing the hatchet job and returning to the very dark days of the mid to late 90s, 95 cup win excepted.

I find it staggering given the awful season we are having, allied to the terrible run last season, that there is no contingency plan for this happening. There is no Plan B. Nobody earmarked for the managerial job, or at least that's how it's coming across. Spurs and Arsenal have both had awful runs and decided that these runs aren't acceptable and acted. We just carry on accepting the shite performances week after week and absolutely nothing happens apart from players and now the Director of Football trotting out banal statements about how they're going to put it right but never do.

When you say something drastic has to happen to lose his job before the Chelsea game, what do you call drastic? Lose both games? Lose heavily? Embarrass the club with bad performances? Aren't these things happening already? We just carry on meandering on, occasionally having a decent win interspersed with a crock of rubbish performances.

We act like a small club tolerating shocking runs like this. For me, there are no mitigating circumstances. Managers are paid to cope with bad decisions, injuries, players coming and going... yet we make excuses as to why we have won very few and lose games we should be cruising.

There are no excuses for the awful effort we have seen over the last few seasons; beating Leicester and Liverpool isn't going to change that. You just know another bad run is just around the corner.

Chris Hockenhull
50 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:23:57
Jim @21,

What game was Joe Royle dumped into for his managerial debut with a worse squad than what is there now??

Anthony A Hughes
51 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:27:23
"Fire in their eyes" No wonder the fuckers can't see the ball to pass to each other!!
Anthony A Hughes
52 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:29:57
Rome burns and the Everton version of Nero hasn't even started fiddling yet.
Brian Harrison
53 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:32:06
Mike Gaynes @34,

I thought when Brands preached unity, I thought that included the manager — that's why I said he had backed Silva. But maybe I was naive to believe Brands meant we are all in this together, but – like the politicians both in your country and our country – we should never believe anything they say.

I think Brands for me has more questions than answers against him: No recognised striker brought in; biggest fault – he agreed to the sale of Gueye against the wishes of Silva; and he never replaced Zouma.

I hope, if Silva goes, then Brands follows... but that won't happen. He will become the spokesman for the owner, as seems to be happening now. Moshiri's only comment was what he was reported to have said to a fan as he was leaving the stands "Things will get better". When will that start? As, so far, under your ownership, this club has gone backwards at an alarming rate.

Jim Bennings
55 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:33:33

That was a different board entirely and a different era.

That was also a squad that included 11 hard dogs of war and would tackle a crisp packet it moved.

Michael Kenrick
56 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:34:39
Steve, something drastic happened already.

We lost to fucken Norwich City, bottom of the league... at home!.

Tom Bowers
57 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:34:40
What happened to all these big ideas when Brands came in? We end up with a second-rate manager who doesn't lose any sleep when the team is crapping out against crap opposition almost every week.

The team survived last season (Silva's first) by eking out some half-decent results after Xmas but, when Zouma left and then Gana, it's gotten worse. I am not saying those two made the difference then but certainly the new additions have been somewhat of a collective disaster. Defensively, as a team, they are woeful and even if the offence stutters, one expects at least to be more solid when not in possession.

Unless we see miracles in the next few weeks, Xmas will be miserable for most of us except Silva who will walk away with a big compensation pay-out. Everton should have made him sign a pre-nup.

Andy Finigan
58 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:34:41
I just don't understand people saying we are being mean on Silva for leaving him hanging out to dry. (One author in the back pages of the daily rag.)

After all... he could always resign.

Jim Bennings
59 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:41:55

He might resign if we lose handsomely on Sunday, as he will know the sack is imminent, he doesn't need the money does he.

The lack of mental strength in our players means that any positive result in the next two games is extremely remote regardless of the boss at the desk.

Steve Carse
60 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:43:14
Chris (50), just to pick you up on the statement that Big Joe inherited a worse squad than there is now. Which current players would make the Joe Royle squad of 94/5? Certainly none of our defence or our goalkeeper. In midfield, Gana Gueye certainly if he was around but out of those presently on the books I would suggest only Tom Davies would get a look in, if only for his endeavours. And up front, there's no way DCL or Tosun would get in ahead of Ferguson and Rideout. And how many would take Richarlison over Anders Limpar?
What Joe miraculously did was to galvanise and get the most out of his squad and play to their strengths. There is absolutely no sign that Silva can do the same.
Mike Gaynes
61 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:49:55
Brian #53, unity doesn't necessarily mean you can't replace people who aren't getting the job done. It wasn't disunity to bench Keane and Coleman, and it won't be to change managers.

As I've said many times, I think Brands has done well. He's replaced 2/3 of our starting lineup, sans injuries, and cleared out most of the deadwood in just 18 months on the job. I don't think we've missed Zouma's unnamed "replacement" one bit because Mina's doing a fine job -- Norwich was his first poor game. As for Gueye, in today's world you simply can't keep a player against his will if he wants to leave, and he had been promised a year earlier he could move to Paris. We'll find out next year if Gbamin is a good replacement. And as for a "recognised" striker, I always ask who and for how much before I characterize that effort as a failure. Given how few opportunities our midfield creates, I doubt a striker would have made much difference.

Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:51:13
Andy 58

Where I'd criticize the club with regard to “hanging him out to dry” are the leaks. You get wild rumors always but creditable sources (eg McNulty on the BBC, Echo plus all the tabloids, Sky) have the same info published as fact. That Kenwright has been talking to Moyes and pushing for his return. The only deviance is on timing. The Sun say it's been ongoing since April. Others say since Burnley or last weekend. Based on the volume of reports I believe it's true. Given only a handful of people would be privy to such info then where is the leak? Jim White has been too quiet for me to blame Mosh. I don't see Ryznatsaev having great media contacts. Brands seems to keep a private council. Which leaves us with DBB and her master Kenwright. That is the issue to me. That BK and or his lackey are stirring the pot, spreading innuendo.

Mike Gaynes
63 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:58:17
Kieran #62, I think what you just did there was exactly what the papers do... take a smattering of rumours, impressions and guesses about who is talking to whom, and create something that seems to make sense but is actually based on air.

You can certainly share your belief that Kenwright is trying to pull in Moyes and "leaking" to the papers to help that process, but is there any factual basis for it? If not, you're creating a rumour.

Tony Twist
64 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:01:45
Talk is cheap. This club is all talk and no trousers. I despair that the director of football mentions the renewing of a contract that is almost complete! Don't tell us until it is done Mr Brands or is it that you are trying to attract clubs regarding Richarlison.
Gavin Johnson
65 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:07:12
A few people have mentioned Emery's sacking. I wonder what peoples thoughts would be on having Emery as Silva's replacement?
Soren Moyer
66 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:11:48
Reminds me of comical Ali!!!!
Martin Mason
67 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:16:08
Brands is in denial. Why is it that those closest can't see.
Steve Carse
68 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:19:15
Gavin (65), absolutely not. What his sacking once again shows is the risk involved in appointing foreign managers, even those who have won European trophies.
Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:19:27
Gavin #65, a year ago I would have answered with a big loud YES -- hell, I would have loved to see Emery hired two years ago instead of Silva -- but given the reasons for his failure at Arsenal I would now decline.

Emery inherited a mushy-soft defense and made it worse... they gave up 31 shots to Watford. 31. That's extraordinary. And like Silva he has failed to establish a leadership structure on the pitch. He actually gave the armband to Xhaka, which is ridiculous.

I think he's been brilliant in the past, but he's probably not what we need right now.

Derek Knox
70 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:29:08
Soren, Comical Ali probably knew more about football too! :-)
Benjamin Dyke
71 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:51:57
You guys have all cheered me up reading this thread. Thanks! It's been tough following Everton recently! Intelligent posts, good tone and good discussion!! The misery can be put on hold until Sunday.
Martin Mason
72 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:57:29
The best thing that could happen is that we supporters stop our delusional fantasy that we are a big club and that we have anything to offer a proven manager. We had a chance to become a big club again in the mid 80s and we lost it. We are a small club now financed by somebody whose only aim is to milk the Sky money.

We are relegation material

Rick Tarleton
73 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:10:59
Arsenal and Spurs knew where they were going when they sacked their managers. At the most crowded stage of the season, we haven't a clue what comes next. I suggest he'll still be in charge when we play in the third round of the cup.
To be honest, not totally convinced that Brands isn't Walsh mark 2.
Mark Guglielmo
74 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:22:06
The comments are about as to be expected.

"There's no transparency, we don't know what's going on, the Club never says anything to its supporters!!!"

*Club makes a very public statement spread across all the socials, with insight to what the Board has decided (temporarily or not)*

"What a garbage statement! He's just the latest 'yes-man' to capitulate!! The Board is still clueless!!"

I think most of you would rather he have said, "Well, we're in the process of polling our fans to determine what we're going to do."

Honestly it's hilarious, you can't write this stuff. Though I would agree that these public votes of confidence are typically the precursor to drastic change. It's very much that way with US sports, 9 times out of 10 (if in fact this was a 'vote of confidence').

Daniel A Johnson
75 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:31:08
"Of course, everyone was disappointed last Saturday but you saw also really in the eyes of the players the fire that they want to resolve this, to turn this around — together with the whole staff."

Well, Marcel, everything's okay then – you see fire in their eyes.

Well my eyes witnessed abject misery, and half-arsed effort against BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE Norwich.

Joe Corgan
76 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:31:23
Silva's comments were interesting too...

"Of course I sleep," said Silva. "When you give your maximum every day, why would you not sleep?"

I dunno, but if I was failing in my job and was on the verge of the sack, I would be losing sleep, regardless of how hard I thought I was trying. If you're not losing sleep, you just don't care enough.

Dave Abrahams
77 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:32:39
I like Brands, but as a few said earlier in the thread, he would have been better saying nothing. Like the Queen's son, he has just made things worse, instead of better.
Don Alexander
78 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:49:48
I haven't read every single post but does anyone truly know whether or not Brands had anything at all to do with Silva being appointed? I know he was contracted in Holland at the time but given the disregard our chairman has for the so-called sanctity of a contact (letting Moyes meet with Whisky-Nose whilst still with us an' all) I just wonder if he chose or supported Silva as our manager before Silva was signed on? If he didn't we really do have a fool's paradise not only in the boardroom but also in our owner.

If he did, other clubs would therefore have actual evidence to deride us, other players of consequence will therefore have actual evidence to avoid us, and potential fans will have actual evidence to find something else to support to entertain them instead, such as the Mongolian Log Rolling League perhaps.

Mark Guglielmo
79 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:56:52
Don @78, while I can't prove Brands wasn't consulted, he didn't make the decision or have a final say in it (if any at all).

Silva was all Moshiri, was pursued as far back as March 2018, hired in May 2018. Brands was hired in June 2018 (almost exactly 30 days later). I'm not certain but I thought I remembered it being reported that Brands had 1 meeting with Silva before being hired.

Soren Moyer
80 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:57:44
Derek #70. Lol. You nailed it Derek.
Marcus Leigh
81 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:10:11
Just came across this on the BBC Sport website:

On Monday, former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher said he would be "massively surprised" if Everton were not in the relegation zone after a run of six games that ends with a home game against Burnley on Boxing Day.

Yes, things are dire right now, but if that twat's comments don't motivate the team going into the next few fixtures I don't know what would.

Jer Kiernan
82 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:13:02
@Conor 17
I think you hit the nail on the head however...... I wont hold it against Marcel, (said the bishop to the waiter !! )

"3) "And, by the way, folks, despite what that clown is doing, I have got his golden boy to sign a new contract with the great squad I have assembled that he can't manage."
--Very funny and like all good jokes it has more than a nugget of truth about it.

Reading between the lines and the lines also, Silva is DUST folks if he wasnt already !! I don't even think he will get the "vote of confidence" dreaded or otherwise

Richard Nelson
83 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:46:27
Spurs & Arsenal act guess what...Everton are still dithering...!

Mark Guglielmo
84 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:49:59
Richard, not that this hasn't gone round & round more than a tornado, but Arsenal are currently in Europa, and Spurs are currently in Champions. They have very serious things to play for, are bigger names, with mostly better squads.

Who would you have Everton act on and bring in?

Allan Board
85 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:51:32
I agree, Marcel should have kept quiet. Hilariously funny though!
"Fire in their eyes?" The way they played it looked like they had "Shit in their eyes!" How about, "Stars in their eyes?" it would explain why Everton were rubbish - Mathew Kelly must of turned the smoke machine up to 11 upon their entrance onto the pitch which resulted in no Everton player being able to see round the smokescreen which was Norwichs tactics!
Just on the Rigsby and Miss Jones thread, apply the well used plot thread from the sitcom of,
"Oh Miss Jones, you look ravishing tonight!"
"Oooh, Mr Rigsby, do you really think so?
(Rigsby, hands on hips)" Yes, yes, yes, yes Miss Jones! "
Now just think of Kenwright and Moshiri sat at the front of the main stand having the exact same conversation, Bill in drag as Miss Jones and Farhad as the wealthy landlord but doesn't really know anything!
And Bill wouldn't need to go to make up either!

This lot need to be seeing "stars in their eyes" alright, from being slapped repeatedly until they see straight and pass straight!
You gotta laugh at this, or you'd go barmy!

Rob Marsh
86 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:58:08
I'm not seeing this upturn in form after the Burnley match like he his, we may have played slight better and a got a result against a very poor Southampton and Watford, poor all-round since.

Reading between the lines.

This Richarlison announcement has taken the place of the customary stadium announcement after another dire performance, he's probably our best player and hasn't turned up for most of the season, doesn't say a lot for the rest of them.

The interesting thing here is that he hasn't backed Silva at all, "Marco is working very hard" is not the same as we "We believe he can bring us through our current precarious position, we've got the right man, have faith". It sounds like Brands has walked away from him.

"Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan!"

Just like the team Brands has disappeard for most of the seaon and now that he has turned up he's put in a poor performance. All PR, when I really wanted the football man telling me what's gone wrong

Derek Taylor
87 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:00:16
As I posted last weekend, a reliable source indicated that Moshiri had given the manager until New Year to turn it round and he was adamant that would happen. Brands seems to be indicating that was the line the Board will take although what will happen if a'train crash' occurs in the interim gawd knows !
Mike Doyle
88 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:04:46
Dave #77] I was thinking along similar lines. On one hand it could get a little embarrassing for Marcel if things get a lot worse over the next few games.
Then again the football community generally regards the vote of confidence statement as the pre-cursor to the axe falling so perhaps all will be forgotten.
David Pearl
89 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:07:16
Adam Ant would be good from January Derek, he'd have to stand and deliver. I don't know what they can be expecting to happen between now and January. Will Silva improve and keep improving? I've said before he's learning of the job. Which is insane.
Duncan McDine
90 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:12:25
I know this is inconceivable, but what if we beat the RS next week while Silva is still in charge? That alone would buy him at least another couple of months, but let's face it, that won't happen will it?
Rob Marsh
91 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:16:30

I had a dream I won the lottery last night, it was nice while it lasted.

Mark Guglielmo
92 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:17:42
David @89, "Adam Ant would be good from January Derek, he'd have to stand and deliver." Great reference! And album.
Richard Nelson
93 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:23:49
Mark @ 84

I don't really know, there are names out there... but, if I were a top Manager/Head Coach, I would be very wary about going to a club in EFC's position... for any Company/Club to function properly & successfully, it has to right from top to bottom...that has not happened in the last 30 years yes, I'm sorry to say, 30 years of mis-management...!...and as for players having "fire in their eyes" one name comes to mind...Pat van den Hauwe…!

Derek Thomas
94 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:26:33
All that's changed is they've trotted out the organ grinder instead of one of the monkeys to give the rally call.

Actions, deeds - not words.

'Various team building exercises' Its a wonder they didn't revisit the site of the infamous chinese restaurant team building fight.

Dave Ganley
95 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:26:49
Duncan as much as I want to beat the RS and I really hope we do, it shouldn't change a thing. Rafa really had it right about being a small club if that's the extent of our ambition beat the RS and the job is yours for life ffs. And to think we get upset when klopp makes his "world cup final" jibe, seems like hes right
Ken Kneale
96 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:30:45
Mark To paraphrase the great Sir John /em>Everton has a good crowd, a very loyal crowd, but they pay their money and they want to see Everton do well. When Everton don't do well, they EXPECT something to be done; and it will be done

Does anyone honestly believe something of real substance, with a well reasoned plan is being DONE presently? There is not one shred of evidence that is the case. We are dysfunctional from top to bottom and the board has ended up with the manager and team it deserves for the utter contempt it has treated the fans and the clubs heritage. They should hang their heads in shame, including Marcel Brands for his failure to secure key positional players and for agreeing to be the board member coming out with this contrived claptrap that most seasoned supporters are sick and tired of hearing because Kenwright's. Barrett- Baxendale's and the manager's credibility to make such cretinous statements is all used up.

Rob Marsh
97 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:33:04
Dave # 95

I seem to remember Jamie Carragher shaking his head when we brought out a DVD of our 3 - 0 derby win, he was right.

It was an embarrassment and you can see why these small club or world cup final sentiments exist over there.

Richard Nelson
98 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:35:53
Ken @ 96

Well said, couldn't agree more..!

Gavin Johnson
99 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:40:37
Mike & Steve

I think I'd have to agree with you on Emery but I brought it up because, like, Mike, I'd have been very happy to have appointed him instead of Silva. At the time he seemed like the very best we could aim for.

The best name we could attract now would have to be Benitez and I've done a complete U-turn on the idea of appointing him which is a very sad indictment of how the clubs drifting. If we take away the RS connection and what he said, he's definitely the best guy for the job. The Chinese league also ends in a few weeks. I wonder if this could also be the reason why Silva's not yet been sacked?! I for one hope so.

Rob Marsh
100 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:41:57
Ken 96 & Richard 98

It's TV that pays most of the clubs income now, us the fans leaving a game early in disgust no longer frightens them as in the time of Sir John.

Our opinions in the grand scheme of things just don't carry that much weight.

Mike Gaynes
101 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:51:31
Gavin, FYI... the Chinese league ends tomorrow.

And with his Dalian club mired in the bottom half and his family still back in England, you can bet Rafa's Chinese adventure ends tomorrow as well.

He's been living like a maharajah and being paid like one as well, and the club ownership has likely already typed up his settlement check and his air ticket and ordered up his limo to the airport.

Richard Nelson
102 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:53:19
Arsenal have acted...they got rid of Unai Emery, cause you just knew, that even though he was relatively successful in Spain, it was not the right fit what does that say about EFC appointing Marco Silva..after his spells at Hull City & Watford...?
Mark Guglielmo
103 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:59:06
Ken @96 much like transfer signings/not signings, how can anyone - regardless of which camp you're in - know what's being done? It is quite literally 100% unknown, unless you're on the Board or have one of them on speed dial.

So can you assign blame/criticize (or defend/praise) when you don't know? Usually "not a shred of evidence" would mean not guilty until proven otherwise, so why does the management of a football team equal the opposite? It's very entitled to think they own anyone full transparency when in truth they don't owe you anything whatsoever.

Danny Baily
104 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:03:32
New manager in, Brands and Silva out. I want our new manager to choose the players he brings in.

Rafa tops the list at the moment.

Richard Nelson
105 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:06:24
Even though Rafa Benitez's family home is in West Kirby on the Wirral, and it would be extremely convenient...just cant see him wanting to manage a "small club"...!...but, I suppose money talks.
Robert Tressell
106 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:08:28
It's been generally rubbish since the end of Martinez's first season. That season was brilliant. Built on very young players of huge potential, a fit and well-drilled squad inherited from Moyes and an ambitious manager who hadn't yet discovered he was out of his depth.

Unfortunately, we've now found Silva out too. Boring as it is, I think Dyche is the man to help us regroup, improve the fitness, discipline and motivation in a patchy squad. He's good at that, and the supporters would respond well to a team that visibly tries hard.

I can see Holgate, Keane, Kenny, Davies, Calvert-Lewin all responding very well to the appointment. Maybe less so the South-Americans. With almost anyone else, there's a genuine risk of relegation. We can have another go with a trendy foreign mangager in 3 years from now.

Ken Kneale
107 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:13:01
Mark Are you seriously suggesting the club owe lifelong fans diddly squat? If so, football generally and Everon in particular are finished. I would refer to the 3000 we brought in atrocious conditions to Brighton a week or so back on hard earned money and time away from family etc.

My evidence in the absence of anything emanating from the club is the evidence we see (or as is sadly the case, do not see), every week on the pitch then the media drivel Brands comes out with here. It simply is not credible.

Drew O'Neall
108 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:18:10
Richarlison won't be signing that then. That's why Silva's not getting the tin tack.
Phil Sammon
109 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:19:42
Some very harsh criticism of Brands on here! The ‘fire in the eyes' comment is misplaced but he has to try to display some positivity. Silva is the problem and he will be replaced, no doubt. Until the right candidate comes along I think the only sensible choice is for the the Board to just bide their time.

At the risk of sounding deliriously positive...we are 3pts off 9th and 4pts off 5th.

The football has been awful and the manager is a clown...but I don't think we need to make a rash decision before the right person becomes available. I certainly don't think Brands is the one who should be held to account for the current situation.

Mark Guglielmo
110 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:20:11
Ken, yes, that's what I'm suggesting. You likely don't care, but all I have to draw upon are American sports. The NY Yankees have existed since the late 1890's, have absolutely rabid fans, long, storied history ripe with championships, and no one expects their front office to give us updates. Other than the General Manager (roughly equivalent to Brands role) doing quite a few pressers to discuss players they're looking at signing as free agents (like transfers without the fee), or contract negotiations, everything else is done behind closed doors and we find out when they're done. Some fans do believe they're entitled to more but it's generally accepted that we'll find out when we find out.
Ken Kneale
111 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:22:19
Phil. Who is then?
Phil Sammon
112 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:38:11

Silva, clearly.

The man who persists with zonal marking despite looking like the most fragile team ever to defend a set-piece.

The man who has absolutely no ability to change a game through tactical alternation.

The players also deserve blame of course. However sacking them all is probably not an option.

Robert Williams
113 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:38:57
What a terrible interview and delivery. The man was obviously uncomfortable. His facial expressions said it all to me ~ he didn't believe a word of what he was spouting.

Silva may stay, Kenwright will stay, many fans will stay – but I will go. I've had enough of the bullshit. Had enough of the 'Stevie Wonders' of ToffeeWeb. Makes me sick.

ps: MK 56 - That's right, mate, tell it as you see it – don't accept the crap these people spout.

Ken Kneale
114 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:40:31
I don't disagree with that Phil but those with governance of the club and the 'fake' coaches we have appointed because they played the odd game for us should also be in the dock.
Stan Schofield
115 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:44:07
Mark@110: Technically you are correct to say that the Club owes us nothing. But in practice, the character of any Club is defined by two things: Its history and its supporters. The history partly dictates expectations. For example, Evertonians generally expect 'fancier football' than most (if not all) supporters of other Clubs, because that's what we got during our greatest times.

Even though Liverpool beat us hands down on quantity of trophies won, we win hands down on the quality we had at our best compared with the quality they've had at their best. In this respect, the character of our expectations is different from the character of theirs.

Another example is sportsmanship. We want to win, to be top dogs, but we want to do it not at all costs, but sportingly, whereas they're happy to win at all costs and to accept cheating to do so. Of course, it would be nice just to win, but ultimately there are these other conditions as well.

Although technically the Club owes us nothing, in practice, it owes us a winning mentality that embraces quality and sportsmanship. If this weren't the case, it wouldn't be Everton, it would just be a generic Club with no soul.

We talk about management 'getting Everton'. Well, the above is Everton. That's all they need to get. We want and need to win, but we demand it to be done under certain conditions.

Mark Guglielmo
116 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:48:49
Thanks Stan, that's the sort of understanding I was looking for. I think one of the huge differences between football in the UK/Europe & American sports at large is that the football clubs are so ingrained in the cities/towns & communities they've been in, often for 100+ years, that there is such a strong link with its supporters.

There are very, very few examples of this in the U.S., especially in the professional sports. College football (American football) is a different story. That's the closest comparison I can make. With the pro teams, they move to new cities with a frequency that would shock you! I imagine if a football club even thought about moving in England it would be akin to a tidal wave of controversy.

(that said, due to where I am, I don't believe they owe the fans anything but I can see why you guys do)

Anthony Barnett
117 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:11:49
Stan @115 – exactly, couldn't have put it better myself.
Brian Porter
118 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:12:17
What's the betting Arsenal move to swiftly appoint Rafa, or similar high profile manager, and as far as we're concerned, another one bites the dust
The sheer ineptitude and failure to take decisive action displayed by our board is bordering on rank incompetence.
Silva's own failure and incompetent management has been blatantly exposed for all to see, particularly since the start of this season and we, as a club, allow him to bumble on from week to week, as we slide further down the table towards the gaping jaws of the relegation trapdoor. We've already dropped into the bottom three once this season, the next time it might not be so easy to pull ourselves out of the relegation places next time.
If Moshiri wants or expects a new ground with a team to be proud of, doesn't he realise, even now, that Marco Silva is not the man to lead us there, and if we don't get rid of this serial loser, fast, he's going to have the most expensively assembled team in the Championship?
Anthony Barnett
119 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:18:17
No one has ever expressed why I'm an Evertonian better than Stan‘s post above.
David Pearl
120 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:21:26
Mark, that's something we will never understand. My parents visited me in Winnipeg mid 90's when we found out the jets were moving to Phoenix. My dad couldn't believe it. “Blooody hell, imagine if they wanted to ever more Everton”

It's not the same. We feel entitled because we feel like the club belongs to us, no matter who owns the shares.

Following sports in North America is a full time job. I used to obviously keep in touch with all things Everton. Then the Wpg Jets, The Blue Jays, The Ravens and on occasion The Raptors. Come to think of it... l wonder if that's why the misses left me...

Stan Schofield
121 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:21:44
Mark, I know what I've written sounds a bit idealistic, but it's certainly my take on being an Evertonian, consistent with my understanding of other Evertonians I know personally.

Although technically we are owed nothing, the crowd of course can influence a game, which is why managers mention the crowd as the 12th man and often ask for that in crucial games. In return, in practice they owe us certain things.

As you indicate, a club like Everton moving to another city is inconceivable, unlike (say) what's happened in the USA with some American football teams, like the Houston Oilers, I believe.

Mark Guglielmo
122 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:30:34
David @120 you ain't kidding, mate. I'm an Oakland Raiders (NFL) fan since 1980 when I was a wee lad. They began there in 1960 and won multiple championships, becoming known for their hard-hitting, take-no-b.s. style. They fans in the end zone became known as "The Black Hole" with all the crazy facepaint & dressed up folks you've probably seen in pictures. In 1982 they moved to Los Angeles over some tax or stadium dispute. Then back to Oakland in 1994. And now they're moving to Las Vegas in 2020. It's utter nonsense!

I also mostly gave up on the full time job (spot on) of following American sports, except my beloved Yankees, and everything else very casually. Then again, in addition to living & breathing Everton football, I watch quite a bit of Bundesliga & La Liga, so apparently I just changed jobs lol.

Stan @121, I completely get it. It's weird to me/us, but it makes perfect sense to hear how you guys view it, especially those of you who've been invested for decades. For whatever reason, basketball teams move the least, then hockey, but it's borderline common in baseball & football. Plus there's always expansion where teams are added to the league without "earning" their spot via promotion.

Neil Wood
123 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:47:02
What's he actually got to lose by changing things up a little.

We are simply not going to beat them by trying to maintain and hold them. We need to attack.
Now... I'm not talking throwing 5 attackers on the pitch in hope like he did against Sheffield Utd. What I mean is deploying some pace and power and youth in the line-up.

A few have mentioned Holgate in the holding role... I've advocated this for a while however... Keane against Vardy. not convinced.

I'd still look at a front three of Bernard Kean and Richarlison with a midfield of Davies, Sigurdsson and Adeniran holding.

Sidibe, Holgate, Mina and Digne as a back 4

I'd be tempted with Lossl but feel I'm wasting my breath.

On another note if ANYONE does know of a spare for the derby then please let me buy it!

David surely you know someone who doesn't wanna go!

Ciarán McGlone
124 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:52:26
"when in truth they don't owe you anything whatsoever."

Good grief.

Gavin Johnson
125 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:52:46
Thanks for the heads up on the Chinese league Mike. What are your own thoughts on having Benitez? I think he's now the guy we should go for, but I think Brands may favour a young coach. I seem to remember him saying that was the model he favoured when Silva was appointed. Although he might have just being blowing smoke up Silva's ass at the press conference.
Mike Gaynes
126 Posted 29/11/2019 at 00:04:41
Gavin, sorry, I have no opinion on Rafa one way or the other -- I'm no expert on managers (I leave that area to Steve F. and Sam Hoare).

My only thought is that if he was indeed the best guy for the job, I certainly wouldn't disqualify him for having managed the RS or having pettishly called us a "small club" 12 years ago. But then again, I'm not a Merseysider and wasn't steeped in the rivalry.

Pekka Harvilahti
127 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:24:29
As so many of us have said, this has gone too far. Everybody knows Silva has to go and he will, so why prolong the misery.
There is no reason to go on with a manager that has lost the trust of the most important part of the the club: the fans.
It does not matter if we win on Sunday or any of those matches until Christmas, there will always be the next match where that sorry bunch will be put to the sword.
A win at Anfield would certainly win him a little more time but fairy tales are for the little folks.
Get rid of him and do it fast. The new guy will have to face the music. I hope he's a good listener.
Jerome Shields
128 Posted 29/11/2019 at 00:33:30
I find Brands's response in this interview to be underwhelming. It's as if he is playing to the gallery, but taken at face value is one soft Director of Football.

I doubt that any of the players showed fire in their eyes, they just wanted to get home, after being exposed for the soft preparation and loafing about they had done in preparation for this game.

Brands seems to have been more involved in preparation than we thought. He states after a game he likes to sample the attitude in the dressing room to gauge reaction, as if the poor sensitive players may need a lift. Prior to the International Break, they all knew they were going on holiday, so that really was an accurate way to assess them. Most of them where darn right useless in the Norwich game and should know and be told that their performance is not good enough,

Brands's solution is to have team-building initiatives to lift them out of the disappointing/it appears not deserved, result against Norwich, another input which would really help out at Finch Farm. They must be laughing down their sleeve at Finch Farm.

I remember my son's first game. The team he played for were getting beat at half-time. They sat in the dugout which was lower than the pitch, with the Manager on the pitch giving them all the biggest bullocking you could image, with plenty of swear words. My son was the youngest and in the front row. They came out in the second half and won the game, my son played like a terrier.

If the Everton team got a team talk like that, they would cry for their Mummy.

What is Brands at with this pussyfooting about? No way have they anyone approached or lined up to replace Silva.

I expect that Everton will have done some preparation for the Sunday game and will play better, having been on holiday during the preparation for the Norwich game.

Everton are just a bunch of Luvies, according to Brands.

Paul Jones
129 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:40:15
It will be interesting to see If Richarlison signs a new contract or whether that becomes another drawn-out issue resolved in the next window with his sale and the acquisition of some surplus from Man Utd like Phil Jones and Marcus Rojo.
David Pearl
130 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:51:53
Neil, good luck in finding a ticket. You never know there might be some that don't want the agony. Doubt he will go for it as you say. I'm expecting the same 4-1-4-1 that he used against Man City against Leicester but wouldn't be surprised in 5-4-1 on Wednesday. (He can't go 4-2-3-1... can he?)

I will be in Toronto for the game. No doubt l will be in a bar surrounded by gobshites. They don't seem to have the same camaraderie... though it wouldn't stop me running up and down if we score.

Mark, l heard the Raiders were moving. They look a scary bunch dressed in black. At least you've tasted a bit of success with the Yankees.

Pekka, nobody knows if and when he will go but a good 90% of us think he should be gone and want him to go regardless of forthcoming results. He's being paid millions.

I had friends working in sports science as coaches in cycling and football with Seville. I was being coerced into following them or Barca or Real but could never commit. Even though l purchased 5 Everton shirts, they all ended up supporting Liverpool because of the Fat Spanish Waiter, Alonso, Reina etc.

Karl Masters
131 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:52:43
Expect Benítez to rock up at Arsenal next week.

I thought the DOF decided a style of play, bought the players and hired a coach to make them play this style of play. Brands style of play appears to leave a lot to be desired as does his choice of players and coach. Just saying...

Finally, a North West football journo I met on Wednesday said there's a rumoured extra marital between DBB and Unsworth...

Derek Thomas
132 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:03:56
If Benitez ends up at Arsenal, it just comfirms what I have guessed. All he is now...besides being a multi-millio a higher class fireman than Allardyce.

I wouldn't touch rs rafa with the shitty end of a clean stick.

Warning; may contain unsubstantiated opinion and mixed metaphors.
Pochettino has started a slow motion game of managerial musical chairs. When everybody has been picked and the music stops, like a playground game of footy, we'll be left with the fat kid with the glasses...or Silva...or Moyes - some choice. But, a god of your choice willing, it won't be that rs twat rafa.

Gavin Johnson
133 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:50:32
I think Arsenal will go for Allegri over Benitez.

Karl, you make a good point about Brands preference being governed by the style of football he likes to play. Then again, wasn't Brands DOF at AZ Alkmaar when Louis Van Gaal was there?? In which case Gaal and Silva and polar opposites in their style of play so we might go for the best manager over a similar albeit better coach than Silva.

Derek #132 I hear what you're saying about Benitez. I think he's still going to be a bitter pill to swallow even for supporters who concede he's the best manager available.

James Hill
134 Posted 30/11/2019 at 02:05:01
Steve Ferns – are you related to Silva as it seems you are completely blind to the guy's inadequacies. Despite continually quoting statistics that are totally irrelevant. Sorry but you really seem to have an irrational level of support for Silva.

We're going down if we keep this up. I don't subscribe to the theory we are too good. We have a pretty middleing to average lot of players. In the main, second stringers but, in combination with Silva, we are trouble.

Martin Faulkner
135 Posted 30/11/2019 at 04:10:00
I think we're better off waiting for Jesus
Only he can save us
He can then sign Jesus and Everton
2 messiah's and an Everton to save the season
Mark Guglielmo
136 Posted 30/11/2019 at 04:24:57
Karl @131 "I thought the DOF decided a style of play, bought the players and hired a coach to make them play this style of play. Brands style of play appears to leave a lot to be desired as does his choice of players and coach. Just saying..."

Why push this narrative? Brands doesn't decide on a "style of play" beyond looking for a certain type of player. Is he finished doing that? No. Are most of the players he's gone after of a similar style? Not sure how you could say they aren't. Brands didn't "choose" the manager. Moshiri did. He may have missed some elements thus far, but it's only been 2 summer windows. He's planning for 4 years; Silva won't be here for the next 2. If he does get to choose the next manager, and there still isn't alignment with the players? Then he will have failed.

Maybe you prefer Keane, Coleman, Schneiderlin, Sigurddson, Tosun and the pre-Brands players?

Karl Masters
137 Posted 30/11/2019 at 06:05:49
Just making the point, Mark, that it isn't just Silva who is underperforming.
Jerome Shields
138 Posted 30/11/2019 at 07:23:10
Comments that Norwich where better than exspected. Are you having a laugh?

Everton just made Norwich look better than they where, with a performance that would have made a Conference team confident playing against them.

Mark Andersson
139 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:13:51
Stan @115 brilliant...
The Yanks are all bout money just like the premier league is now...

Steve Ferns what ever your smoking its clouding your judgment...

Silva is out on his arse sooner or later because the fans excpet you have turned on him.. the only reason I can see hes still here is after the next two games the Billy big lies board will think the fans having the ginger one back might not be that bad after all..

We might once again escape relegation but at this rate and with the luck forever going against us we might not.

Im looking forward to getting a copy of Howards way soon and will be happy knowing I was there

Lynn Maher
140 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:23:26
Just reading this little gem on BBC red button:

'Silva not losing sleep over future'

"Of course I sleep," said Silva. "When you give your maximum every day, why would you not sleep?"

If indeed he did say this, things are even worse than I thought. The man is delusional.

Derek Knox
141 Posted 30/11/2019 at 09:58:57
Stan, Mark and all, you mentioned that technically the Club owes the Supporters nothing, which I find a slight issue with, and that issue is this.

The Club annually and weekly are pleased to take money for Season Tickets, Match Tickets and to a lesser degree merchandise. As with any business that anyone patronises on a regular basis, the customer IS ENTITLED to see value for money, otherwise they would vote with their feet.

Apart from the obvious differences between a Football Club and a business, say a Supermarket, instead of food the supporters who have made the effort, in may cases travelling 4/5/6 hours to get to the match, are entitled to get something in return.

That something is in the form of seeing their beloved team, not only perform to the best of their abilities, but to entertain and hopefully win as well.

That sadly has been missing recently, apart from the odd game, which unfortunately are too few and far between. I can't help thinking, it's probably the cynic in me, that the more these already highly paid players get, the quality of football and commitment decreases.

Mind you having a Manager with a recognised game plan, knowing his best formation, motivating the players into believing they can match anyone on the day, would help immensely.

Ian Pilkington
142 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:11:32
The only crumb of comfort is Brands demanding “immediate improvement”.
This clearly isn't going to happen and if the board haven't got a plan by now (with the exception of the totally unacceptable Moyes or Hughes) the list of realistic potential managers will be reduced even further.
Pellegrini is on the brink at West Ham and unless Arsenal go elsewhere, Wolves or Leicester could be in the hunt.
I would never believed that I could seriously contemplate Benitez but neither would I have never believed that nearly 4 years into the stewardship of Moshiri we would still be in a mess and Kenwright would still be on the board.
Stan Schofield
143 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:18:42
Derek@141: I did say 'technically' they owe us nothing, which I believe is a fact. There's no formal contract between Everton and me. They can do whatever they want, and so can I. They can play shite, not inform us of stuff, etc., and I can choose not to watch them.

However, and I believe this is the core point. The relationship between Everton and me is like a friendship. I didn't choose it, nor did they, but it happened, as friendships do. With any friendship, you can stick with it or walk away. There's no formal contract.

But there is an 'emotional contract' for want of a better term. In reality, there are friendships that you stick with for life, without necessarily choosing to do so rationally, but because it just happens naturally. The commitment is just there, and is purely emotional.

Everton FC is a business, but not a purely cold capitalist enterprise. It is like enlightened capitalism in which money is not the sole criterion for success. There are other criteria, the main one being the search for glory. If we don't search for glory, there's no point in it all.

Glory equates to having the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when Goodison is in full voice, and ultimate glory is this plus winning trophies. In Everton's case, we need to win trophies, and we need to do it in style. By 'we', I mean Everton FC and its supporters.

It's a business, but it's also more than a business. If it weren't we wouldn't be having this discussion, and ToffeeWeb probably wouldn't exist.

Alan J Thompson
144 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:22:07
I've not read any of the above comments but it is noticeable that there is no direct question and answer as to if any other person has been considered or approached to takeover as Manager or even if the matter has been discussed which means that the bleedin' obvious stands out by its omission.
Pat Kelly
145 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:31:01
What a load of tripe from Brands. He obviously can't get rid of Silva for now. None of what's in the piece above shows any support for Silva. Just some guff about team building activities. More white water rafting. Presumably to prepare for going down the drain. This is going to get a whole load hairyer before long.
Martin Berry
146 Posted 30/11/2019 at 12:52:38
How can we improve under Silva is a mystery comment by Marcel Brands, when you consider we have had a run of easier games to do this yet we have been truly awful in most matches.
Bill Watson
147 Posted 30/11/2019 at 13:39:13
I wouldn't have expected Brands to say anything else; certainly not that Silva is on borrowed time.

Meanwhile, while 'Spurs and Arsenal take decisive action we soldier on with a manager who is plainly out of his depth.

The squad have shown little sign they can 'improve the situation' and the inevitable consequence of 'sticking together' will be relegation.

Mark Guglielmo
148 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:09:37
Mark @139 do you follow the Yankees? Because you're wrong about the "only care about money" comment.

Derek @141 like I said before, I get why some feel that way, but just because you invest time/money means diddly squat, to use a technical term. You can buy a new BMW every 4 years for life and they wouldn't owe (or give) you a single thing other than perhaps a really nice Xmas card.

Stan @143 again, extremely well-stated. You have a great way of looking at the Club/supporter relationship.

Tom Dodds
149 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:34:46
Arsenal needs to be seen to first.

I think good managers are the top of the football rareity pile,in front of even good strikers at the moment.

I hope though, that if we do manage to snare one mind, I hope that Moshiri and Brands keep that fuckin Jonah Kenwright locked up in a diving Bell a million miles away from him.

Michael Williams
150 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:41:58
We should wait to hire Moyes. He'll be available in January or in the summer. Or next year or the year after that.
Adrian Evans
151 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:46:04
Fed up of politicians treating us like idiots, can bare it Brands, so called DOF starts.

37,000 loyal Evertonians show up every week. 4 years of diabolicle decisions on the managers, purchases of players. Mr Moshiri has to take some blame but he's been badly advised.

So Bill Kenwright has to let go, no more trying to advise Moshiri on football matters. Brands out too. I don't like to say it but beg Big Sam to come and sort it all out again please. 6 games from now, we will be on our knees begging.

For God's sake, give Sam 3 years... 4 even, and 𧶲 million. Get into the new stadium, turn Goodison into a fortress again.

I'd rather watch Sam's football than the shit we produced against Norwich and many others. Clean sheets, etc. Not saying it's my first choice but who is going to want to come in here after 3 January?

Rafa has won Premier League, Champions League, oh and the Championship. We got more chance of having won the Championship in 2020-21 than the other two at this rate.

Rafa, Sam???

Adrian Evans
152 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:03:39
Christ, we want silverware??? Well, if the muppets making football decisions can't read results, we will. It'll be the Championship in season 2020-21 if we don't act now. That's one trophy I don't want ever – unless we are in it. Then I'll pray for it.

We gotta chance right now to avoid it. Get Big Sam in here right now, for Christ's sake. Give him the weeks he needs to sort out the squad to play the way needed to stay up. Who else are they going to get in who can keep us up?

Please don't gamble, Mr Moshiri or Marcel Brands. I am not saying Bill Kenwright. He's been amazing over decades, but time to step out of football decisions unless he gets Big Sam in.

Mike Keating
153 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:05:26
Watched the DVD Howard's Way last night.

Brands, Moshiri, Silva and the whole fucking bunch of overhyped mercenaries we call the team should be forced to watch it and understand what it means to be an Evertonian.

Listen to the likes of Royle, Harvey, Big Nev, Reidy, Andy Gray, Trevor Steven, Sharpy etc talk with real fire in their bellies about what it meant to play at Goodison Park and make them feel embarrassed by the gutless performances this shower force us to endure week in, week out.

I don't know whether to cry or puke!

Paul Hewitt
154 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:12:01
Mike@153. Couldn't agree more.
Trevor Peers
155 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:35:36
Whatever happens this season, I think we've seen the end of the 'shite foreign manager' syndrome which has destroyed Everton since Moyes got off. Appoint a good foreign manager by all means, but Brands will never be in a position to attract one. The best European managers want a new ground and billions to spend.

Wherever we arrive next season, I would imagine it will be a young British manager guiding us and hopefully with Tim Cahill on his staff. An Aussie with true grit. We need to get back to basics and find our identity again.

Andy Walker
156 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:31:15
Brands is the one who needs replacing, No CF for 2 years and now no CB to replace Zouma. Replying on the likes of Davies, Holgate and DCL, is it any wonder...
Mark Guglielmo
159 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:53:08
Andy @156, definitely! If we sack managers midway through contracts for failing to deliver, we should sack Directors of Football 1/3 of the way through their contracts for not doing it all in 2 windows!
Jason Lloyd
160 Posted 01/12/2019 at 23:22:06
Everton is in dire need of a better manager who understands in game management.

His match Anfield will be his last I think.

If Moshiri and Brands have any sense they will let Kenwright go plus a new Head Coach.

Has to be someone with real confidence and combative mentality.

Powder puff players the lot of them.

Derek Knox
161 Posted 02/12/2019 at 13:47:50
Andy @ 156, a bit unwarranted there, he did get a striker in Moise Kean, but the incompetent Manager that we have, won't play him, claiming he is not ready, a strange statement from someone who has failed in so many areas of his remit.

The lad was scoring in Italy for both Club and Country, and generally hailed by many to be not only a star of the present, but one who would improve in the future. Our genius of an incumbent, who I doubt could spot anything in reality deemed not to even have him on the bench for many matches.

As far as CB is concerned Chelsea because of their Transfer Ban would not allow Zouma to come back to us because of his experience, and they could not recruit till next Summer.

However they DID AGREE to let Fikayo Tomori come instead for a 12 month loan, it was nearly signed sealed and delivered but David Luis rocked the boat and defected to Arsenal a day or so before the window closed.

This threw that plan out of the window and was cancelled, having little time left to organise a replacement Marcos Romo of United was willing to join us, but United could not agree terms and that deal too was scuppered with a matter of an hour or so left in that window.

So what was Brands supposed to do? And how can he be culpable or blamed unfairly for a series of of unforeseeable events?

Mark Guglielmo
162 Posted 02/12/2019 at 13:57:38
Derek don't bother, trust me. The angry mob with pitchforks doesn't care in the least. Everyone has those lampshade cones you put on a dog so it can't bite at stitches. They can only see what's directly in front of them.
Derek Knox
163 Posted 02/12/2019 at 14:20:13
Mark, there could be some truth in your observation of the beying masses with lighted pitchforks and sharpened torches, whilst wearing those flea/anti-biting cones, resembling and conjuring up a picture in my mind akin to when the plague was rife in Europe.

The physicians would wear those ' beaks ' which were filled with sage, and other herbs, believed to combat the foul air which was believed to carry the virus.

Imagine waking up after being the victim of the aforementioned disease, and being lucky or healthy enough to have combatted it, and seeing such a sight, it would at best induce a heart attack, and your recovery would have been thwarted.

Have to go, trying to find my pitchfork and associated public disorder kit. 😂😈☠

David Thomas
164 Posted 02/12/2019 at 14:31:12
Mike 153,

I watched it on Saturday night and then went the game yesterday and realised there isn't one person at the club now whose got 1% of the passion of Ratcliffe, Southall etc.

I would love to have a Reid in the changing room nowadays the current squad full of over hyped and overpaid foreigners and completely out of their depth youngsters wouldn't know what's hit them.

Mark Guglielmo
165 Posted 02/12/2019 at 14:41:45
Derek @163 this is really the time I wish we could post pictures or animated GIFs lol
Derek Knox
166 Posted 02/12/2019 at 14:48:16
David @ 164 so right there, I too "would love to have a Reid in the changing room nowadays the current squad full of over hyped and overpaid foreigners and completely out of their depth youngsters wouldn't know what's hit them".

The only and major problem there being that the Manager is an over-hyped and overpaid foreigner too. :-)

They would have to have counselling after a Reidy team talk, and besides they probably all have a clause in their vastly remunerative contracts that they can't be shouted at, or told what to do with a raised voice. Probably with a Decibel limitation in which they all have meters to record such outbursts, and report the bellicose offender.

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