Norwich game could come too soon for Bernard and Delph

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Marco Silva says that the club's medical staff will continue to assess the fitness of Bernard and Fabian Delph this week as the pair recover from their respective injuries.

Bernard has been sidelined for almost a month with a torn medial knee ligament but his manager had hoped he would be ready on the other side of the current international break.

Saturday's clash with Norwich City looks like it will come too soon for the Brazilian who has yet to resume full training but he appears to be close.

Delph, meanwhile, strained a hamstring in the 1-1 draw with Tottenham earlier this month and he too is doubtful for the visit of the Canaries but could be ready for the trip to Leicester at the start of next month.

“Let's see if they will be available for the next match or not,” Silva told evertontv. “They are still in doubt.

“Bernard started to work with the team but in the first days of the week not full sessions. He is getting his minutes and his time in the training session, each day he is doing a little bit more. Let's see how he will react every day.

“Fabian Delph is more or less the same thing.

“We want is to get them better and ready as fast as we can, we are coming into a really tough period for us and we already have some long-term injuries, so it is really important to have the others in good conditions.”

Meanwhile, Silva spoke of how André Gomes is being helped in his rehabilitation by regular contact with his team-mates and club staff at Finch Farm.

The Portuguese is in the preliminary stages of his recovery from the fracture dislocation he suffered to his right ankle in that game against Spurs.

“He has been with us since last Monday, here at Finch Farm,” Silva said of Gomes. “Every time he can see his teammates it is important for him.

“Now is the moment to be patient with him and give him support. Try to always give him good feedback and the support he needs.

“He is already at a different stage of his rehabilitation. With our medical staff and rehabilitation people, he will take care of himself.

“In the meantime, he is always with us. Not just on the pitch or at Finch Farm, but the support he is giving his teammates."


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Steve Ferns
1 Posted 21/11/2019 at 22:15:10
I thought Bernard would be out a little longer. Looks like it's Schneiderlin and Davies for Norwich then. If so, we have to play Iwobi and not Sigurdsson. We simply have to have more pace in the middle.
Rob Marsh
2 Posted 21/11/2019 at 22:40:39

It doesn't matter who we play, I'd be happy to see Rhino and Big Dunc putting their bulk about in this one!

All that matters is that we win at home, Norwich are bottom of the table and their defence is a punchbag for the whole Premier League; we have to beat them considering the upcoming fixture list.

Changed my mind, we don't just have to win, we have to win big!

Mark Guglielmo
3 Posted 21/11/2019 at 22:56:59
No reasons to even think about rushing back either guy for Norwich.

Please please please (given the injuries)

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Schneiderlin Iwobi Davies
Walcott Kean Richarlison

in at least an attacking 4-3-3

Martin Berry
4 Posted 21/11/2019 at 23:54:36
It will be great to have these players back to full fitness; however, I do not want any player being pushed and rushed to return, regardless of our possible plight.

Players should be only ready for selection when they are fully recovered; otherwise, the consequences could be detrimental for their long-term health and the benefits of the first team.

Steve Ferns
5 Posted 21/11/2019 at 23:59:33
Mark, Calvert-Lewin for Kean and we'd agree. Also, Schneiderlin is better left with Davies right.
Bill Gienapp
6 Posted 22/11/2019 at 00:56:29
The fact Bernard's return is even a topic of discussion is a pleasant surprise - I assumed he'd be realistically sidelined until Christmas at least.
Mark Guglielmo
7 Posted 22/11/2019 at 01:12:28
Steve, wherever for Schneiderlin or Davies, that one doesn't matter to me.

But c'mon, man! Calvert-Lewin? Boooo. This is where you give Kean a shot. But it'll be a lone-striker set-up, so you'll get your wish anyway.

Jim Harrison
8 Posted 22/11/2019 at 01:25:28
Calvert-Lewin to start. Kean to get playing time.

Minik Hansen
9 Posted 22/11/2019 at 02:41:16
It's a good idea to start Kean, given that he showed something while on intl. duty. This should motivate Kean, when he is some sort of good form, he gets closer to his goal, a starter rather than the bench. Of course goals are demanded when he is on the pitch and has to deliver, any other outcome is lack of form and not enough PL experience, therefore it will be natural to start DCL, but who knows it could be perfect time to slot him in.
Kenn Crawford
10 Posted 22/11/2019 at 05:45:17
Why are we even worried about Delph brings nothing to the team and is a sick note we have had so many of these players it's not funny any mor
John Pierce
11 Posted 22/11/2019 at 05:58:53
We still have a manager picking teams to play football his way without the profile of player to execute it. Until he compromises, and find a balance between his style and what he has, he will continue to get poor performances, regardless of result.

If Norwich best our press they will score, we give up grade ‘A' chances.

But we don't have established attacking patterns, can we score two? Fook knows.

Bob Parrington
12 Posted 22/11/2019 at 07:21:02
I'm in with the start Kean group on this one. I respect Steve Fern's knowledge and opinion but I think the younger lad needs a full game NOW! Understanding what thoughts are in the brains of players is a massive managerial/coaching role. My belief is that young Kean is ready, having scored his brace recently.

OK. It's always a chance that he could not go too well and that would delay his chances. But, hey, life's a gamble and we need to take some chances.

Bobby Mallon
13 Posted 22/11/2019 at 07:31:09
I agree with John @11, silva has good players who are played in a system that is no good for them. Tosun should start with another striker, we are at home against bottom and we need to win.
Eddie Dunn
14 Posted 22/11/2019 at 07:55:39
I would play two up top. Tosun and DCL for me. They look to be developing an understanding so young Kean can sit this out until we are three up.
Jim Bennings
15 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:35:25
Don't need two holding midfielders at home to Norwich who are quite simply dreadful defensively.

A midfield of Davies, Sigurdsson, Iwobi in front and and Walcott and Richarlison who whoever on the flank is sufficient.

Let Norwich worry about us, not us worry about keeping them out that's the only way you gain respect and a fear factor, by playing attack minded football and trying to overload teams (especially those bottom of the league).

I can't see Kean starting, there seems to be a problem off the pitch there that needs some sort of resolution, maybe he's not producing in training and the punctuality hasn't helped either.

It's likely DCL or Tosun unless he sacrifices a central midfielder to play two strikers which I very much doubt.

John Hammond
16 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:45:44
Jim, not sure I'd call Davies a holding midfielder.
John Hammond
17 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:51:20
Is this the game where everything goes right and we hand out a hammering? With the amount of chances we create we are long overdue a big score. We need to get Goodison rocking.
Jim Burns
18 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:52:01
Interesting piece in the Echo after the Southampton win - Everton are ranked 5th in Europe ( City the only Premier side above them are 1st) for restricting opposition to the fewest chances on goal 94 this season.
The average is 147 with the likes of Barca, Juventus and the RS below us.
I'm not sure what that means ( Pickford ? ) - but it feels both hopeful and frustrating.
Jim Harrison
19 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:55:53
Jim, 15

Yeah, to be fair, why the hell not. Go at them.

Jim Bennings
20 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:57:12

I think Davies can do the part of looking after things defensively on his own against the limitations of Norwich, he's proved he likes s tackle and he has been more productive going forwards lately too so I think give him duties next to Sigurdsson as I think Schneiderlin (or Delph) in home games over stagnantes things.

David Thomas
21 Posted 22/11/2019 at 08:57:44
If your not going to start Kean in this game then you might as well sell him back to Italy.
Derek Knox
22 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:13:57
I'm almost having a Victor Meldrew moment, in that we are actually talking about a home game at Goodison, we are stuttering enough without all these International Breaks which tends to destroy any momentum that may have been generated.

As with any Prem team (Norwich), they should be treated with utmost respect, as in the past we have ended so many team's poor runs with complacency. It should be within our capability, but not happy to even see Schneiderlin mentioned as an option in midfield.

Kim Vivian
23 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:21:25
Don't take too much for granted, chaps - this is the Norwich who beat Man City and sod's law says the next upset will be against you know who. It should be comfortable but we could be seen by them as a potential point on the board and will set up accordingly.

However...with an assertive attacking stance from the off (give Kean at least 30 mins - or an hour if he starts), get ahead early, knock their wind and go in 3-0 at the end. Really hoping Moisey can open his account very soon.

Onwards and upwards COYB

Brian Williams
24 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:22:26
What it probably doesn't tell you is that we always seem to allow teams to score from those very few chances. :-)
Denis Richardson
25 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:24:32
Playing the worst club in the league at home - anything short of a win is simply not acceptable. Especially given the run of games thereafter.

This could possible be the last points we'll get in the next 4-5 games.

Mark Andersson
26 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:35:19
Big Nev and big Dunc gave great interviews lately and they understand who and what Everton football club is all about...
Sadly the people running and managing the mighty blues don't and the players have no real hunger or desire to be winners...

The crowd need to get behind the team from the off and lift the players. A resounding win is essential before tge onset of December...

Marco is on borrowed time... or is he...

The goals Kean scored for Italy reminded me of Rom can he do it at premier level may be with the right service who knows

Jon Bentley
27 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:50:57
Brian (24)

Not sure if you listen to podcasts but there is a very interesting one on Royal Blue by David Hughes and Josh Williams that goes into the performance metrics of it all. Basically, you're right in that we do have one of the lowest in terms of allowing chances against us but more of those proportionally are scored. Whether that's bad luck, bad goalkeeping I don't know but it must be frustrating for Silva.

The other point made is our chance creation and you can guess the next bit. The poor conversion rates of these.

So we don't allow many opportunities but allow goals, however we create opportunities but don't score enough of these. A frustrating combination if you ask me.

They also analyse Iwobi compared to to Gylfi which is interesting

James Hughes
28 Posted 22/11/2019 at 09:53:00
A good win tomorrow to set the tone for December. then a clean sweep as nice present for Christmas !!! (my god these tablets are strong)
Martin Nicholls
29 Posted 22/11/2019 at 10:20:26
Mark#26 - Big Dunc "understands who and what Everton Football Club is all about" yet the "people running and managing the Club" don't? Isn't that a bit contradictory?
Tony Everan
30 Posted 22/11/2019 at 10:24:46


Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Sigurdsson Davies Iwobi
Kean DC-L Richarlison

Attack, attack, attack

Everton 5, Norwich 2

Jerome Shields
31 Posted 22/11/2019 at 10:27:45
A must win for Silva. Hope Finch Farm was not a holiday camp during the International break. We have had some really below par motivated performances after the International break in the past.
Jerome Shields
32 Posted 22/11/2019 at 10:31:23

I agree.

Bob Parrington
34 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:08:14
Jim at #33 it looks like you ran out of ideas!!!??
James Newcombe
35 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:11:50
Hopefully Gordon gets some minutes!
Derek Taylor
36 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:30:27
With the BMD project likely to take most of the Club's funds from now on (see Arsenal and Spurs' experience) January may be the last window in which we can expect any 'game changer' signings.

I guess it's become vital that at least one of our happy band of non scoring strikers starts finding the net or a panic signing MUST be made. The rest of the team - if ever Silva can decide on it - will have to look after itself as the manager is not for firing. With eighthish the new seventhish, I can't see us being in any trouble in' the battle for `top half`, and thus the manager ' will go full term'.

So lower your sights, buy into the new stadium diversion and allow Moshiri and Kenwright to continue to call the shots. There ain't no alternative so stop fretting and let them get on with it !

Franny Porter
37 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:35:53
Fabian Delph is sadly a crock of almost Darron Gibson proportions.
Derek Knox
38 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:36:06
Bob @ 34, maybe Jim @ 33's mind went blank. :-)
Steve Ferns
39 Posted 22/11/2019 at 11:44:44
Jerome, I think most of the squad was away. Walcott and Gomes were pictured lunching together at what looked like Altrincham markets. Great to see Andre getting out and about though. He's had plenty of offers on social media from girls (and heterosexual men!) to come round and look after him!

I can't believe it's only 2 weeks since the last game. Seems like a lifetime ago. I hate these international breaks, as Derek says they seem to stall momentum, and we were just starting to build some.

We have to beat Norwich to get confidence up with those tough games coming up. With a bit of confidence and a bit of luck I think we can surprise a few teams.

Jim Bennings, I don't think we should worry about Norwich, but we should adjust our team to them. Not to stop them, but to exploit their flaws. In their last game, Norwich lined up in a 4231:

Aarons Tetley Godfrey Lewis
McLean Trybull
Buendia Steipermann Hernandez

They were using Moritz Leitner as a playmaker earlier in the season but he's dropped out in recent games. I'm not sure if it's injury or to try to sure things up in midfield. Also Onel Hernandez has taken the left wing position from the impressive Todd Cantwell. Cantwell seems to have suffered a dip in form. Onel Hernandez worries me as he has so much pace. Sidibe needs to be cautious in getting forwards and not letting Hernandez get the drop on him. Steipermann looks a tidy player, kind of a Championship version of Gylfi. And Buendia is a handful coming inside from the right flank.

I think playing two holding midfielders would not necessarily be defensive here. Davies can help Sidibe keep an eye on Hernandez. Schniederlin can cover Steipermann and also help Digne pick up Buendia who roams from that right hand side into the middle. We should then be able to push our fullbacks up and pin Norwich back. We need the pace and movement of Iwobi to make this happen. Our widemen need to be on their game. If we can transition from defence into attack quickly, then you can rip Norwich apart.

I note the clamour for Kean. I understand it. I think he will be a great player. Sure, there's a slight doubt after his early season struggles, but I think the way to handle him is to play him off the bench in every game until he starts firing, and then give him a start once he's earned it. Meantime, let's remember that Calvert-Lewin is not doing much wrong.

Andrew Keatley
40 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:03:51
Worth remembering that Kean's midweek brace came in a home Under 21 game against Armenia. He has shown very little that suggests starting him against Norwich - a game we need to win to continue to ease pressure on Silva - would be a wise move. DCL all the way for me.
Derek Knox
41 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:10:10
Steve @ 39, it is somewhat refreshing to think that we have three strikers to choose from. Okay none of them world class yet, and while I would like to see Kean getting more game time, I believe it is almost imperative, regardless of the permutation, to play two up front.

Tosun has proved on several occasions, for both Club and Country, that he knows where the goal is, and as it stands at the moment, is probably the most likely of the trio to convert a half-chance.

It is the pace of the game in the Prem that he has had difficulty adjusting to, or keeping up with a rare quick break, but if he is alongside another quicker man he is well capable of slotting home any rebounds or half clearances.

I would love to see Anthony Gordon not only get his home debut at some point later in the game, and to a rousing Goodison reception. There is no reason why the three I mentioned before, and Anthony get game time tomorrow, if the correct approach (attack from the off) is employed, and barring injuries, hoping that Silva complies.

Ajay Gopal
42 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:11:01
4-3-3 for me:

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Schneiderlin Siggy
Iwobi DCL Richarlison

SUBS: Lossl, Keane, Walcott, Tosun, Kean, Beni, Gordon

Kean, Gordon and Beni to come on after we are leading 3-0.

David Pearl
43 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:23:22
I think a 433 always trumps a 4231.
All above have picked a 433 but l think in reality 95% of us are not expecting to get what we want.
If we do play 433 then it would be best served with Schneiderlin sitting behind Davies and either Iwobi and Siggy.

Further forward though l still won't be expecting a narrow 3. Walcott for example plays much better being allowed a freer role and not having to chase down the wing to our own box. Silva simple likes to have 2 players covering down each wing instead of allowing one of the midfielders to cover. That can't happen If we only have 2 in the middle.

As Ajay pointed out, it would be nice to see Beni and Gordon on the bench.

As it is we have Bernard, Gomes and Gbamin all out which could represent a big change in how we play and the results. Then again Koeman and Allardyce had to find a way around a whole defence that was injured.

Glad the season can start up again. What a boring 2 weeks.

Steve Ferns
44 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:30:09
By the way, I know you guys mostly hate xG. But DCL's numbers show that he is just not playing enough.

Calvert-Lewin is on 0.63 xG per 90 minutes. This is exactly the same as Salah. Now Calvert-Lewin has played 10 PL games and 520 minutes, whilst Salah has played 11 games and 957 minutes. DCL's total xG is 3.64 whilst Salah is on 6.75. Salah has 6 goals whilst DCL has 3. The xG shows they have both underperformed slightly by missing 0.64 goals for DCL and 0.75 for Salah.

DCL's 0.63 xG per 90 is right up there. Of all the players who have played over 122 minutes of football this season, he is 9th in the PL for xG. As a comparison here is two contemporaries:

Tammy Abraham has played 914 minutes over 12 games, 10 goals scored from 7.42 xG, which is 0.73 xG per 90. Abraham is the top xG performer scoring 2.58 goals more than his xG which means he has converted chances he shouldn't have scored. This means goals like that tight angle Bernard scored from.

Marcus Rashford remains one of the most wasteful. He has played 1045 minutes over 12 games, scoring 6 goals. His xG is 8.26 and this is 0.71 xG per 90. He's scored 2.26 less than his xG which tells you he has missed the equivalent of over 2 open goals. It highlights how wayward his shooting is, which we all know from watching him.

Chris Wood is up there on xG per 90. But he's scored 1.54 goals less than is xG. Cutrone is in the top 10 too, he has scored 1.13 less goals than his xG. Anthony Martial posts numbers more or less identical to Dominic. They've played about the same minutes. They've both scored 3 goals. Martial's xG is slightly better at 3.71, to DCL's 3.64, and they both have 0.63 xG per 90 minutes. Martial's slightly higher xG tells you he's been slightly more wasteful in front of goal.

This is the top 10 in case you are interested:
1. Aguero Man City 732 mins 9 goals 8.07 xG 0.99 xG per 90
2. Jesus Man City 449 mins 3 goals 4.86 xG 0.97 xG per 90
3. Abraham Chelsea 914 mins 10 goals 7.42 xG 0.73 xG per 90
4. Rashford Man Utd 1045 mins 6 goals 8.26 xG 0.71 xG per 90
5. Wood Burnley 849 mins 5 goals 6.54 xG 0.69 xG per 90
6. Cutrone Wolves 282 mins 1 goals 2.13 xG 0.68 xG per 90
7. Sterling Man City 977 mins 7 goals 7.09 xG 0.65 xG per 90
8. Salah RS 957 mins 6 goals 6.75 xG 0.63 xG per 90
9. DCL Everton 520 mins 3 goals 3.64 xG 0.63 xG per 90
10. Martial Man Utd 533 mins 3 goals 3.71 xG 0.63 xG per 90

The big name missing for me is Mane. He has 7 goals but with an xG of 5.24 which shows he's scoring difficult chances. Also Aubameyang has scored 8 goals with an xG of 5.25 so he's scoring even more difficult goals, more frequently, than Mane. Kane has scored 6 from an xG of 4.88, but we've all seen a couple of screamers from him already this season.

I just think DCL is doing enough to warrant the starting berth. He will score enough to justify it if he plays enough minutes and he has the all-round game to really benefit the team and create chances and space for others. And no, I did not need the stats to tell me this, they just reinforce the point which is all stats should ever do. Help you understand what your eyes are telling you.

Dave Abrahams
45 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:34:26
I keep saying that Kean doesn't get enough game time but tomorrow there is a chance that we could build a good score by the hour mark, so I would leave the young striker until then. Hopefully with a decent lead there would be less pressure on the lad and a goal, for young Kean, in the remaining thirty minutes would be a boost plus more experience for Moise.
Steve Ferns
46 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:36:15
Derek, I would love Anthony Gordon to get on the pitch. I think he is going to grab it with both hands. But that's probably because I want him to so badly. Marco Silva sees him in training every day. I expect he will play on the right of the attacking midfield 3 when he does get on the pitch. So, no doubt he will have been pitched up against Lucas Digne in training. The club's videos show clips of training and you often see the pair together, which I expect is because of this. So, Marco can see what Anthony Gordon does against a top class left back in Digne. If Gordon is beating him with ease, then he will be in the side. If he is struggling he would be back down to the u23s. I expect he's somewhere in-between. I expect to see him soon, and Norwich is the perfect opposition, particularly if we can get a good lead early in the game and so give Marco some breathing space.

The question is who drops off the bench for Gordon? He took Kean's place so if Kean comes back in, it's likely to be at Gordon's expense.

Derek Thomas
47 Posted 22/11/2019 at 12:59:59
Steve @ 46; Or it could mean that with Digne and Gordon 'matching up' everyday, that the more experienced Digne is using his head on him because he's 'matched up' against him everyday.

Put Gordon Vs somebody who has hardly seen him and Gordon will be able to get the better of him, because unlike Digne his opponent would not have played against him everyday in training for 3mths.

Gordon will gain confidence and more importantly 'learn by doing' at the highest far he goes and how much he 'learns by doing' is somewhat in the lap of the gods. But it will be more than he'll learn in training...because its only training. Simple this coaching stuff.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:06:56
Derek, it's only early in Gordon's development. I think we are handling it ok at the moment. As much as I am desperate for him to play. There is a massive difference from u23 to PL level. Gordon has never been on loan, and so he is trying to bridge the gap between the levels in training. I doubt there can be a better training exercise in the short term than going up against Lucas Digne everyday.

Gordon will play right wing to start with, but he is a future number 10. The way he moves is so graceful. He has great technique. He just needs a bit of luck and he will go far.

Jerome Shields
49 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:09:37
Norwich will attempt to set up shop and push forward in the second half. It will be up to Everton to break them down as usual.

Steve , I was awaiting inside knowledge. So Finch Farm is a holiday camp during the international. break as per usual. I bet Norwich have been training hard and they all got early breakfast in bed from Delah , which counts for a lot motivation wise , than lunch at. Big New and Big Dunc wheeled out on evertonfc. com , does not inspire confidence. I would prefer actions rather than words.

Jason Wilkinson
50 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:10:32
Is playing Schneiderlin as a holding midfielder and Iwobi and Sigurdsson in front of him not 4-1-2-3?
4-3-3 to me should be one left one right and one central in both midfield and up front.
Derek Taylor
51 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:21:01
I shouldn't waste too many keystrokes on Anthony Gordon or any of our other young bucks. The odds of them getting a look-in under this manager are very long indeed.

If all senior players are fit he will obviously choose from them, if not he's likely to put square pegs in round holes rather than blood any kids. I can't say I blame him whilst we are bottom half as the devil you know...……

Jerome Shields
52 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:25:05
Altrincham Market.
Christy Ring
53 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:26:55
I'd love to see Gordon get game time tomorrow also, and Beni should be on the bench, couldn't understand why we had 3 defenders on the bench the last day.
I noticed that Richarlison played the full game for Brazil on Tuesday, and Firmino, with Shergar's teeth, came on for the last 6 min's, also Van Diik, didn't play for personal reasons, and 4/5 redshite player's cried off, in other internationals, and probably all back tomorrow, am I being paranoid?
Steve Ferns
54 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:30:04
Jerome, I have no inside knowledge and there is no way of knowing when exactly Walcott and Gomes went for lunch. You can take a photo and then post it years later on Instagram.

As for Finch Farm, how many players do you think we had left over there? Stek, Holgate, Keane, Baines, Schniderlin, Delph (but on rehab training), Walcott, Calvert-Lewin, who else? Even the likes of Lewis Gibson was off playing for England u18s and Anthony Gordon for the u19s. I don't think we had enough to even put a team out.

Steve Ferns
55 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:33:55
Christy, you will pleased to know that the Europeans, such as Digne and Sigurdsson were all back and present on Tuesday. Richarlison was very active on social media on Wednesday night, practicing his English. He said he was home and playing video games. Made me expect jet lag. He should have reported for training yesterday.
Mark Guglielmo
56 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:40:05
Kim @23 Norwich has ONE away goal this year. They've been shut out by such mighty opponents as Palace, Burnley, West Ham, Bournemouth & Brighton.

Yes I know we've fared little better, but we're not the away team here.

Jerome @49 Norwich hasn't bunkered more than once, against City. They attack, not sit back.

Jamie Crowley
57 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:56:10
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Iwobe Davies
Rich Kean DCL

4-1-2-3, morphing to a 4-2-1-3 where necessary, with Davies all over the pitch, box to box, Iwobe staying further advanced.

Bench has to be Coleman, Keane, Sigurdsson, Cenk, name another doesn't matter.

Jamie Crowley
58 Posted 22/11/2019 at 13:58:47
Actually Theo has to be on the bench, so there you have it.
Mark Guglielmo
59 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:03:36
Jamie maybe switch places between Richie & DCL and I'm down. Richie's better on the left, and DCL's hold-up/track back strengths play into Sidibe wanting to come forward aggressively.
Steve Ferns
60 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:04:17
Jamie, wouldn't you rather have the inform and lightning fast Theo Walcott on our right? Walcott would be up against Jamal Lewis. He's a promising young left back but looks more comfortable going forwards than backwards. I would expect Walcott to be able to use his pace and experience to isolate him and take him apart. I would expect Farke to tell Hernandez to offer some protection. If we can back Hernandez up, instead of letting him fly at Sidibe, then that eases the pressure on our defence.
George Cumiskey
61 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:12:04
The inform lightning fast Theo Walcott. What !!!
Andrew Keatley
62 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:12:35
Jamie (57/58) - 5 players on the bench, is it? You do realise that since 2009/2010 the Premier League has allowed teams to have 7 - and I should think that if we were only allowed 5 then Lossl would probably be a front-runner for a spot...
Eric Paul
63 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:15:32
Theo has been playing well lately and he is lightening fast
Kevin Prytherch
64 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:22:58
Why do people ask for Iwobi in the centre of midfield. I'm yet to see anything of note defensively from him. He's a Liability defensively when on the wing, never mind in the centre of the park. I'd much rather give Baningime or Adenerin a go there, or even Baines.

I doubt we'll go 4-3-3 anyway and Iwobi will probably be in the coveted number 10 role if he plays.

Jamie Crowley
65 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:26:27
Steve @ 60 - No.

Andrew @ 62 - It doesn't matter. Pick any player, they won't get in the game. Keeper assumed.

Steve Ferns
66 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:28:18
Kevin, if Iwobi is flanked by Davies and Schneiderlin, then he can move from a deep position carrying the ball forwards, rather than waiting for the ball like Sigurdsson does. But I do share your concern about him defensively. He definitely needs a couple of minders if he plays deeper.

I'd play him in the number 10 role and get him running at the Norwich defence and bringing the ball out into attack. This Norwich side are not the push-overs we seem to think they are. They have dangermen in attack (Pukki, Hernandez / Cantwell, Steipermann, Buendia) and a couple of excellent young fullbacks who race up and down all day long. If you can counter them, then that's where you can really hurt them. They play far too open and their defence lacks the quality to repel fast counter-attacks.

Jamie Crowley
67 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:39:11
Steve is right, this Norwich side are dangerous on their day.

Every time I see posts expecting three points, it seems to be an omen of over-confidence, and we lose.

Jay Harris
68 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:45:40
Silva's anticipated team: 4-1-2-3

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Iwobi Davies
Walcott DCL Rich

My Preferred starting 11: 4-3-3

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Siggy Davies Iwobi
Walcott DCL Rich

Kean and Gordon to come on at 60 minutes for Iwobi and DCL.

Whoever is picked has to be up for this or they don't belong at the club.

This will be a watershed for the players, the manager and the club.

Andrew Keatley
69 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:47:08
Jamie (65) - I would normally agree with you, but on the basis that Tosun missed both recent games for Turkey with a groin injury, maybe Silva will not want to risk him, even off the bench - so inventive sub options might be crucial. I'd be hugely surprised if Walcott does not start. I hope Gordon and Kean are on the bench.
Steve Ferns
70 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:49:03
I forgot Tosun was injured Andrew. It looks like the stars are aligning to ensure Kean and Gordon get game time. Time to nip to the bookmakers and put a £5er on Kean to be the last goalscorer?
David Thomas
71 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:50:31
If there was a game to play Kean from the start then surely it's a game at home against the team bottom of the league when he's on the back of scoring two international goals.

If he doesn't start him tomorrow when would he start him? If he isn't ready to start against Norwich at home he's not going to presumably start him in any of our other games in December. So presumably we wait until early January and a games against a lower league team in the fa cup 3rd round.

If we have spent nearly 30 million on an Italian international who a third of the way through the season can't start at home against Norwich then I'm personally very worried about what we've bought.

Eric Paul
72 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:51:16
Norwich have scored one goal away all season, not what I'd call dangerous
Jamie Crowley
73 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:58:19
Andrew -

I had NO idea Tosun was injured. None. And I, too, would be stunned if Theo didn't start. But I like my lineup, swiss-cheese, you-pick-'em, bench aside.

Eric @72 -

Man City might disagree. Home or Away, I think Norwich can have one of those days where everyone is like, "how in the hell are they in the relegation zone?"

Time will tell. From what I've see of Norwich, they will come to our place and have a go. I live in perpetual fear of losing games we should win. Ergo, I've lived in perpetual fear for about 13 years now.

Danny Broderick
74 Posted 22/11/2019 at 14:58:20
We've been playing well so I am expecting more of the same tomorrow. Marco just needs to keep on doing what he has done for the last month or so. Play the players in form - so no Coleman, Keane, Schneiderlin or Kean for me.

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Sigurdsson Davies Iwobi
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

No Schneiderlin for this game - the midfielders need to be able to pass the ball forward in this one to break down Norwich.

I fancy a 3-0 win tomorrow. Norwich's bubble has burst after the positivity of promotion. Hopefully Kean can get a goal off the bench.

Andrew Keatley
75 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:02:32
Steve (70) - While you're at the bookies, and if you fancy a long-term value bet, maybe stick a few quid on Mason Holgate to make the England Euro 2020 squad; you can get 100/1 (but I'd make him closer to 16s at present)... England need quick ball-playing centre-half options, and if Holgate maintains his form, fitness and starting berth then he won't be far away - especially considering the dearth of other options. There's always someone who comes from nowhere to make the squad, and with his caps at Under 20 and Under 21 level his price should be much shorter than 100s.
Jamie Crowley
76 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:04:35
Totally off-topic.

Is a Pukka pie any good? Shite, or gold?

Do they serve them at Goodison?

Eric Paul
77 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:10:43
Norwich have scored one away goal all season whether Man City agree or not
Steve Ferns
78 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:13:55
Jamie, Wigan is the pie making capital of Britain and their main company is Hollands. Pukka pies come from Leicestershire. Last time I looked it was Holland pies that Everton sold. Their main fella is an Evertonian and was a client of my Dad's. Great fella, but I forget his name.

Edit: Hollands factory is in Accrington and they are a Lancashire company and so do not appear to be from Wigan. Apologies for the duff info. The fella who my Dad dealt with was from Wigan though. It seems that up until 2017 we had switched to Clayton pies. We now have a deal with an Italian food company who sponsor the youth team with their name on the shirts, so perhaps they make the pies. Last time I had one at the game was during our ill-fated European campaign.

Brian Harrison
79 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:30:50
According to Marco Silva at his press conference Tosun is fit for tomorrows game.
Derek Taylor
80 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:39:04
Holland ?
Tony Everan
81 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:42:27
Agree with the comments about Norwich.

Norwich started the season well and are dangerous on their day. The 2 week break will have benefited them, they will be fresh just like at the start of the season. We shouldn't be shocked by it, but expect a side trying to bounce back, and be fully prepared for a fight.

We cannot take them lightly and will have to battle it out initially to make sure our class wins through.

Mark Guglielmo
82 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:46:17
Jamie @73, sorry mate, but

"Man City might disagree. Home or Away, I think Norwich can have one of those days where everyone is like, "how in the hell are they in the relegation zone?"

as Eric & myself have already pointed out, Norwich doesn't even approach dangerous, especially away.

Their fixtures/results:
@ Liverpool L 4-1 (their only away goal, funnily enough)
vs Newcastle W 3-1
vs Chelsea L 2-3
@ West Ham L 2-0
vs Man City W 3-2 (have you looked at the stats, or better yet, watched this game? Thorough City dominance with 3 defensive breakdowns. Hey, it happens)
@ Burnley L 2-0
@ Crystal Palace L 2-0

vs. Aston Villa L 1-5
@ Bournemouth D 0-0
vs. United L 1-3
@ Brighton L 2-0
vs. Watford L 0-2

They're in 20th with 7 points & a -17 goal differential. Dangerous isn't a word I'd use to describe them. Their away results: 0-1-5, 1 pt, -11 gd

Their only threat, Pukki, scored 5 in their first 5 games, and 0 in the past 7.

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:49:17
Mark, you do realise that the more inevitable or routine you make a win seem for Everton, the more likely it is that we lose? Ssssh!
Mark Guglielmo
84 Posted 22/11/2019 at 15:50:25
Oh believe me, nothing about us is routine this year. And I'm not making any predictions, only stating facts!
David Pearl
85 Posted 22/11/2019 at 16:19:03
Absolutely amazed how everyone keeps thinking we would play 433 against Norwich considering we haven't played it once. Not once. We play 4231, which turns to 4411 with our wide players from the front midfield 3 tracking back down the wings.
Joe McMahon
86 Posted 22/11/2019 at 16:23:28
We cannot take anything for granted anymore. Aston Villa springs to mind. The defending against Bournemouth could easily be shown on the Horror Channel.
Mike Gaynes
87 Posted 22/11/2019 at 16:47:10
David #85, I don't even bring it up anymore. Just laugh.

I really think Silva would be just as likely to roll out the old 3-3-4 that I played in middle school around 1970. Kean would make a wonderful inside left, wouldn't he?

Dave Williams
88 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:11:02
Mark G #3 - me too. I like DCL but this is the bottom team, crap defence, at Goodison and on the back of two goals for Italy U21s- if this is not the game to start Moise then I don't know what is.
Mike Gaynes
89 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:22:16
Clearly, Silva is behind the curve when it comes to detailed preparation of his team. He has not provided his young players with the necessary guidance on positioning and work rate.



"Inter Milan manager Antonio Conte said he has given his players specific instructions when having sex and told them to ensure it takes up minimum effort. 'I was a player too,' the 50-year-old told L'Equipe magazine. 'During competition, it [sex] should not last long. Also, it should be done with the least effort possible, so underneath the partner. Preferably with their wife as then there is no obligation to put in an exceptional performance!'"

A whole new perspective on the terms "getting on top", "quick in the box" and "finisher".

Derek Knox
90 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:31:14
Classic contribution Mike G, I guess he ( Conte) must have been reading the Parma Sutra. :-)
Mike Gaynes
91 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:33:20
He didn't need to, DK. As a player he was a renowned hard man.


Brian Wilkinson
92 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:39:00
James@76, Pukka pies are shite mate, Southern poor mans puff pastry version of a northern pie.

If you want my tip, pop into the chinese chippy near the holy trinity statue, top chips and pies in there mate, or you could go for the foot long hot dog inside the ground.

Chris Williams
93 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:45:24
Possibly Pecorino?
Jerome Shields
94 Posted 22/11/2019 at 17:52:17
Steve #54

Norwich will be fully fit and rearing to go. They will set up shop and chase down in midfield. If Everton tire in the second half they will push up to try to get a winning goal.

Everton really need to be on their game to break Norwich down and need to maintain stamina throughout the match. After International breaks Everton have not produced good performances, lacking motivation and fitness. We all know that the result depends on which Everton turns up at Goodison against Norwich.

There has been something badly wrong with Evertons preparation as their performance after international breaks shows. A lot of the time the opposition look more motivated and fitter. I don't think the lesson has been learn't yet at Finch Farm. Other teams do not have the same problem.

Silva and Everton really need to win this game.

Jerome Shields
95 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:00:09

I take it you would not agree with my idea of a Cold Weather break. I don't mean a sking holiday.

Tony Everan
96 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:21:37

Towards the end of his Chelsea days some of his players were putting in as little effort as possible on the pitch and adept at letting the opposition get on top of them.

Perhaps they were at it like rabbits on Friday nights , and the reason his Chelsea gave him a premature evacuation.

Mike Gaynes
97 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:26:51
Tony, it would have depended how comprehensive that transfer ban actually was.
Allan Board
98 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:37:18
If Everton don't beat these at home then Mr Silva really needs to find a new vocation in life. Possibly the worst team defensively I can think of.
Worse than Soton, I expect 3 or 4 nil.
Mark Guglielmo
99 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:52:53
Jerome @94, you can be forgiven for missing my reply to you above; it wasn't the primary part of my comment and there have been a lot since!

But what I said was "Jerome @49 Norwich hasn't bunkered more than once (against City). They attack, not sit back."

Why do you think they'll sit back and challenge us to break them down? Their back 4 are wretched. Injuries have them almost playing midfielders at center half. So just curious if you believe they'll change this up just for their match against us.

Derek Taylor
100 Posted 22/11/2019 at 18:57:37
It does worry me that on several occasions, Silva has named a team which is the choice of many Twers but has lost. The manager then gets stick for poor tactics with players getting away scot free (is that racist these days ?) Whatever team he picks tomorrow they should win. That's if they aren't doing a Spurs players to get rid of the coach !
Jamie Crowley
101 Posted 22/11/2019 at 19:27:08
DT -

Rest assured, I've never, ever named a lineup that hasn't won. 100% success rate.

Of course, I've never named a lineup that has actually been chosen, so there's that.

Silva won't get away Scot free, and no, that's not "racist". If it triggers anyone, I'd suggest toughening up, but that's only me.

If I were called a "Yank, drunk, gypo, 'tatter eatin', Irish-Yank fuck", it wouldn't phase me in the least. So, take that on board. Surely there's some "woke" people out there that would take umbrage.

Mike Gaynes
102 Posted 22/11/2019 at 19:38:26
Jamie, I like seppo myself.
Mark Guglielmo
103 Posted 22/11/2019 at 19:54:59
I'm not even touching nationality-driven insults. I got banned last time LOL (but any of the Italian ones, bring 'em on, I have thick Brooklyn-born skin).

I just started the PSG match, will watch Dortmund after. I'm just made up this eternal int'l break is finally over.

Jer Kiernan
104 Posted 22/11/2019 at 19:55:54
For me there can be No excuses anything short of a clear win is unacceptable since the facts/stats are flying about heres a couple reasons why I believe the pressure should be ramped up on Silva

-Norwich are if I am not mistaken odds on fav to get relegated 1/4 on with some
- We have Home advantage (no historical away day hoodoo to blame this time)
- Transfer market site have Norwich squad worth 104m, ,we are 445million
- We are facing a daunting 6 weeks of fixtures after this game
- Silva has it appears pissed away our best chance of making a claim for Top 4 in years ( see Leicester equivalent squad bar Vardy of course)
- Our players on international dutie are performing very well for their respective countries
-Norwich have only picked up 1 point in last 5 games and are as a collective I would assert ,waiting for their "premier league" manager to be appointed as is obvious their current manager cannot cut it in the Top flight (i could say something here but I wont!!)


Mike Gaynes
105 Posted 22/11/2019 at 20:24:38
Mark, if you're not watching the Dortmund game yet, switch over. You won't believe it.
Mark Guglielmo
106 Posted 22/11/2019 at 22:18:15
Mike I'm at 34' of the Dortmund match; I DVR almost everything lol.

So for future reference, no spoilers of any kind ever!!

Paul Kelly
107 Posted 23/11/2019 at 00:14:42
JC- In regards to the pie situation, I allude to what Brian said. Pukka pies are the best of a bad bunch here in 'that London', you need to chop off the lid of the pie and only eat the sides and filling to have any sort of meaningful experience.

Holland's pies on the other hand, well, let's just say are the dog's danglies of pies, the creme de la creme, the bees' knees. Fill your boots when you're over here, mate. Add a bit of northern gravy (not that piss weak version they serve with roasts down here) and chips, mushy or marrowfat peas and you'll be a happy man.

On a side note, COYB.

Derek Knox
108 Posted 23/11/2019 at 00:41:15
I am just looking forward to tomorrow, and equally seeing George McKane will add a couple of lines, hopefully from a Dylan song.

That guy had such a concept of life, both in America and to a lesser degree, in the UK, but I don't care which side of the tracks you came from, his words are not only applicable but very poignant, even today!

Rob Marsh
109 Posted 23/11/2019 at 18:00:39
Michael & Lyndon,

Any chance of a next manager poll?

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