Kean’s father weighs in amid speculation over return to Italy

Though I suspect better players than Kean will struggle in our team at the moment. Sometimes though, it has to be said, players just don't fit. It could also be said that we've spunked the Lukaku money to no avail.

Don't think about tractors, think about your son.

I would like to see him given a run; there must be something there for us to have spotted him. How many YouTube clips have we watched of players doing wonders until they come to us? I realise these are selective but the talent must be there...

But he is just 19 and adapting still, just 10 games in, hopefully come the season's end he'll be in full flight.

Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Salah, and countless others are all top or world class players who struggled to adapt in their first season and then exploded onto the scene becoming the league's best players.

Hopefully we don't make Chelsea's mistake of selling such players before they do so.

So, what does Silva do with him? Well, basically... Nothing! He could have had him on the bench from the beginning of the season and brought him on for the last 20 to 30 minutes on a regular basis to enable him to get used to the pace and style of the Premier League and help him to get used to playing with his new teammates.

But no, we've been 'treated' to an occasional 10- or 15-minute cameo appearance usually when the team has been struggling and playing catch-up from a losing position.

I'm sick of reading in the media that he has no goals in 11 appearances, as if those appearances were full games and he'd failed to find the net. When he started him against Watford, he was hooked at half-time, great for his confidence, that one, Marco.

Psychologically speaking, he could have left him on for the first 5 or 10 minutes of the second half before subbing him, and the lad would probably not have felt as bad as he must have done.

Out of Silva and Kean, I know who I'd prefer to still be with us two years from now, and he doesn't speak Portuguese!

Kean is probably a future superstar of the game, but Silva is probably the worst thing that could have happened to him at this stage of his career. If he leaves and goes on to be a massive star, it will be Silva's fault that he's not doing it for us.

So much for promising his parents that we'd look after their son. The fans were right behind him (remember the banner!) and we were all expecting great things from him, but he can't produce the goods if Silva doesn't give him the game time to do it.

Like much of Silva's management, yet more incompetence and ineptitude.

And yes, we promised to look after him, and yes, the banner etc. You could say we did everything and more to welcome him to the club. How does he pay us back? By being late for the only thing he's got to do in this country!!

At 19, I don't expect miracles. But, on the money he's on, he should be toeing the line and trying extra hard to impress and get a chance. Look at Tom Davies and even Theo Walcott.

We all want to see more of Moise but he has to deserve his place. I watched him vs Ireland U21 last month and he looked a totally different player in that match before he was sent off than in the Premier League, where he hasn't been afforded the same time and space.

We may have to wait until next season before we see the best of him.

Maybe if we we're motoring along nicely, he could gradually introduce him.

Unless Everton start performing consistently as a team, this problem of players like Kean being better off going elsewhere will not go away. It is an Everton problem. It's one thing for Brands to tell Kean's mum that he'll be looked after, but in reality that was never likely to be the case. You cannot look after young players when you have a dysfunctional team.

That's utter gibberish. Calvert-Lewin has been played here there and everywhere since he got here as a teenager. He has had a far harder time of it. People like you have made sure of that!

I don't believe more games for Kean is the answer. Certain types of player styles suit a more sedate pace than we have in England. Moise Kean is one of those players. If speed of thought and awareness is not there, then it can't be coached. You either have it or you don't.

Manager's Office: "Moise, we had the lateness incident which you've apologised for and, as far as I'm concerned, is behind us. You're a good lad and I'm trying to protect you but maybe it's time for you to prove to the fans that this stuff in the press isn't you.

"This Saturday, I'm going to give you an opportunity to show everyone what you're really all about and I want you to take it, Moise.

"We all believe in you at Everton and we're going to give you every opportunity but the opportunity is yours alone to take. Now get out there and show me that I'm making the right decision.

"Good luck, son.'"

While I agree that, on the face of things, Moise Kean has had limited game time under Silva, the same could be said of Tom Davies and Mason Holgate, they have recently had chances through injury, and seized them with both hands.

While I appreciate that Moise is in a different position and any striker is generally gauged on goals returned, I still believe, disciplinary issues aside, that he has not been given a decent run and, when in the side, has received very poor service.

So, summing up, I do hope it works out for the lad and of course Everton, but I have very little faith in this manager or his selections, substitutions, and tactics... so it looks like one has to go; let's hope it's the latter.

He has been here for a matter of weeks, he's 19, he's settling in to a new club, new teammates, new country and new language. A different pace of football. Give the lad and Marco a chance. He is going nowhere, we will need him.

He will be more involved as the season progresses; he will acclimatise, get some confidence. Injuries and game congestion from December onwards will ensure he plays an important part in our season.

Kean has massive potential, so much so that Real Madrid have an interest; to sell him now would be the kind of gross ineptitude only Everton are capable of.

I doubt after such a short amount of time Kean will be going anywhere. So, unless an absolutely enormous bid comes in for him that the club would be mad to turn down, Kean will be at Everton for the foreseeable future.

Brian, O'Neill has just joined Stoke, where I'm sure he'll be a success and become a target for Premier League clubs. He's taking Northern Ireland to the playoffs, possibly the finals, then full time with Stoke.

If he had gone to another Premier League club, he'd be banging the goals in.

No-one will want to come here soon. It's pathetic.

Those of us with long memories will remember it took Dennis Bergkamp the best part of a season to settle down. I remember Arsenal fans being teased about their "goal machine". So what I am advocating is a little more time to see if he turns into a Bergkamp or a Drenthe...

We received good money for Stones, who has had a reasonably good time at Man City. The rest have been average to useless, when they moved on. They simply weren't good enough.

Kean has a lot to prove, admittedly he hasn't had enough time, but we needed goals now, not next season. Surely when you pay 㿇 million, you expect a reasonable goal return? 3-5 would've been acceptable so far, but 0 is worrying for someone with 'massive potential'.

Darren, you seem to have a go with many on this site. Point your anger at Kenwright et al for 30 years of nothing!

I'm also surprised at the number of Blues seemingly unaware of the estranged relationship between father and son.

This link offers some background to the 'tractor' angle the opening post references.

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This is a man who abandoned the family at an early age, leaving the mother to raise her children single-handedly in poverty. The father only returned to the scene and attempted to be 'relevant' to his son to suck at the fatted calf.

In the link provided, Moise Kean posted a cutting put down on social media to his father:

"Tractors???! I don't know what you're talking about. If I am the man I am today it's only THANKS TO MY MOTHER and with this I've said everything! And don't ever forget who puts food on your table when your belly is full."

The implication of the son's final sentence is that, although the father turned his back on the family for years and left them bereft of financial support, the son is now paying to maintain his father.

My guess is that a journo has greased the father's hand to get these quotes. By his own admission, he has never met Moise's agent, does not have his son's ear, and therefore does not have any insight into the true situation.

Ignore him. The man is an irrelevance.

I think the editors made an article about this, as the last one concentrated on Kean turning up late for training – something he had also done with Italy. Whereas this is primarily about the comments from his estranged father.

I think the club could put this to bed very quickly by stating that Kean had been bought for the long term and the club will give him the time needed to get used to a new language in a new country and a new league.

They should put to bed any rumours about selling the boy. Then he and the club can get on with ensuring we get the best from the boy over the coming years.

Why would Juve sell a player "heralded as a star of the future"?

This kid is the next Drogba, yes? Juve have had time to have a long hard look at him and, with all Juve's top-flight experience and coaching wisdom, they decided to let him go. Surely so young, fit and full of talent, he and Juve would have believed he could give old man Gonzalo Higuaín (who was never quick) some competition.

There was no serious interest in him from Europe's big clubs and I have to say I feel uneasy about this transfer. If either of AC Milan or AS Roma have interest in him and come close to his original price, I'd take it and run.

As for blaming Silva, Silva has given him game time compared to all the other 19-year-olds in the Premier League and he's looked lost the more he's played.

He needs to find some fight from within. Sending him out on loan might be just as bad for him as what's happening with us now and keeping him in the reserves will probably see him sink further.

I'd guess he's on his way out.

Kean will go nowhere. l would like to see him play a couple of games for the Under-23s. It wouldn't do him any harm, players need to play. Early days... he needs time, not pressure.

From his perspective, the situation is very simple and surely he would have had this conversation last summer with the club before signing for us. If the club now believes he's not good enough to play centre-forward in a team that can't score goals, then he goes – end of story.

I am pretty sure Brands and Silva already had a few chats on the subject and if Moise is still not starting regularly that's pretty much it. I don't think we'll lose much money if it's a consolation though we could have made quite of lot of it in one or two years had things worked out.

The place our club is at the moment, I think buying young prospects is just a financial exercise, not a long-term strategy. I'd rather buy 27- or 28-year-old proven footballers who can deliver immediately and for whom we should not be just a stepping stone.

27- or 28-year-olds that are proven, especially strikers, cost 㿨 to 㿼 million upwards even if they aren't world class.

We invest in youth, because that is what we can afford.

A good manager, that is what we need more.

If we give Kean time, he will do fine, great in fact. He has looked lively and exciting at times. If he scored on his debut when he hit the post, I imagine this conversation would be much different. He has lost a bit of confidence, is the only Italian speaker at the club, is playing for a team desperately out of form, and is young.

Henry struggled badly at first in a top-quality Arsenal team. Lukaku looked way off the pace at Chelsea. Heck, Drogba almost gave up on football and retired at 23.

I wonder if we hired an Italian coach to aide his development... I wonder whether footballing greats like Ravenelli are coaching? Or we could try and get Inzaghi as manager – his Lazio play some sexy stuff.

The story first broke about 72 hours ago. It was discussed extensively on the other Kean thread. The estranged father is a money-grabbing leach. It's my opinion giving this non-story it's current TW top headline thread throws gasoline on the embers of a dying fire.

And why should the club be expected to make a public statement on this? If we went down that road, every single rumour mill story would need to be officially debunked which would serve no useful purpose as the crafty and the cynical would twist any such statements with "Well, they have to say that, don't they? It's a sure sign they mean to move him on!"

It's a lose-lose situation.

Wait for Marco Silva's presser before the Norwich game. I'll lay a pound to a penny he gets questioned on it and will dead bat it away with "That is an internal matter that is now closed."

He also, more pleasingly, goes on to say that "I don't fear the hard times, the best comes from there". It's on some social media thing.

Perfect.

He was never a realistic short-term answer to our problem of not scoring goals, and anyone who expected him to be was being plain daft. He'll likely bed-in eventually if and when Everton gel effectively and consistently as a team. When that happens, we'll probably keep him for a while to cement his impact and reputation, and then sell him for a good profit to a top club, in the way that has become the norm at Everton.

My anger has been towards Kenwright for 20 years. I don't need you to tell me where to direct it, but that doesn't mean I won't pull people who come on here taking others for fools, like you did post. I'm sick of people distorting facts and blatantly lying about players who cost nothing in order to support their nonsense.

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid your claim that Calvert-Lewin "gets his own set of rules because he is one of us" is? You do realise that he has been left out of the side recently? You do realise that, when he does play, he is forced to play up top on his own? Do you think he chooses that using his "own set of rules"?

You do realise that, during his development, he has been moved around the team on a much wider scale than Kean? You do realise... Nah, forget it. You don't realise anything of the sort – otherwise, you would not have posted such gibberish.

I think eEveryone on this site realises Calvert-Lewin is not the striker to take us to the promised land... but it must really pain you and his other knockers to know that we have spent well over 𧶀m on strikers and the guy who came for next to nothing is outscoring them all.

Take your own advice. Direct your anger at Kenwright. Not a young man who only ever gives 100%.

The source, once again, is an Italian clickbait site that PAYS for people - in this case, a father who hasn't been in Kean's life for 15 years - to create stories where there are none, then reports them as news. Each click generates ad revenue, and so the cycle continues.

Giving this actual credence by reporting it as news is no different than the National Enquirer here in the States putting "Obama secret memoirs reveal plans to help Al-Qaeda!!" And then segments of the population run with it as gospel. Really, really disappointed.

People, please 100% disregard this story. If you want to continue to have the "is/isn't [Kean] worth X, Y, or Z" discussion, there's another thread already.

If you want to disregard me, that's fine too. But at least educate yourselves. Google "credibility" and "Calciomercato.it" - absolute garbage.

In my opinion, a Premier League footballer paid thousands a week should be able to adapt a little. I hate one up front too, but there ya go. End of conversation.

This relationship between Silva and Brands is such a difficult one to judge, both are showing no outward signs of doubt about the other.

One thing I feel sure about, though, is that, back in the pre-season, if you privately asked Silva"What do you want for 㿊M – a proven/ready striker who'll get 12 to 20 goals per season? Or a kid wet behind the ears who might be good in two to three seasons time?" Well, Silva's choice would probably have had us 6 pts better off.

Maybe this is one of the reasons why the club is backing Silva so strongly through this period; they now know they've done him no favours with Kean.

Let's sign Zlat until the end of the season. He would put us right back on the map plus a few goals.

The exceptions seem to be Stones, Pickford, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin while we could all probably add, leaving aside more senior players, to the list of Coleman, Holgate, Besic, Garbutt, Virginia, Bowler and those raised through the Academy.

And in what games would such a striker have given us another 6 points? So a lack of a striker is to blame for our woefully ineffective midfield so far? Our weakness at set-pieces? Our poor positioning? Our slow and predictable build-up play?

All this is down to not signing some mythical 㿊 million striker who guarantees goals but for some reason we didn't sign?

I can't.

Yet Everyone says what we lack is a '15-goal' striker.

Go figure!

Zlat. On a free, give him 㿊M a season wages, he would get us 12-20 goals a season even at his age. We'd make half his wages back on publicity. His ego would drive us and everyone else mad but I bet he would love the challenge even for half a season.

Hw would give us a real lift and a bit of time plus (and more importantly) possibly stop us moaning so much because we'd all be gobsmacked. Actually, it was initially meant tongue-in-cheek but, the more I think about it, the better it becomes...

Come on, Zlat – asap!

"Can anyone name a proven striker with 12-20 goals per season potential who could have been got for 㿊m. And by that I mean also who might have been available."

Take a look at Gabigol of Flamengo. Signed as a boy wonder by Inter Milan aged just 20. They haven't given him a chance. He has made just 9 appearances with them as he was loaned to Benfica, then in the last two seasons back to Brazil with a relegation-threatened Santos (his 18 goals helped lift them to comfortable mid-table) and this season to runaway league leaders Flamengo (22 league goals, 7 in the Libertadores) and counting.

You can watch him live on Wednesday in the Libertadores final, the Latin American equivalent of the Champions League.

Just turned 23 in August and Inter looking to sell when his latest loan deal ends in December, perfectly timed for the January transfer window.

The fee? 23-25 million EUROS, not pounds.

His game and his cockiness would be perfect for Everton. But alas, no whispers connecting us to him.

Somebody is going to pick up an absolute bargain at that price.

On the question of Calvert-Lewin, you're not alone in expressing puzzlement at his dropping from the team exactly at the moment he hit a rich vein of scoring.

Part of the intent behind TW is to provide a persistent historical record of Everton news, a "diary", if you will (as it used to be known before it changed to Archive) so posting it as a news story serves that function.

The other component is, of course, discussion and while the topic may have been covered on the other Kean thread, this thread is in context (again in the interests of that historical record). I wasn't able to post Kean Sr's quotes, the element that lifted this above it being a mere Rumour Mill item, until today but ordinarily they would have gone up sooner.

Yes, the site is about opinion, but you must realise that there is a difference between peddling falsehood and giving an opinion.

You were wrong with your claims. You were even wrong with your reasoning behind your falsehood.... "because he is one of us" Really???
You do know that we bought Calvert-Lewin whern he was around about the same age as we bought Kean??? No? ... Well, we did.

I really do feel that if we leave Calvert-Lewin as No 9, with Kean either next to him (in a 4-3-3 rather than 4-3-2-1), or as his substitute (because that No 9 role is a tough one to go at for 90 minutes) then we have great options going forward. For me, our biggest issue is midfield, and we set it up.

On Gabigol, I haven't seen much of the Brasileirão or Libertadores this year unfortunately – time difference + work just makes it impossible – but he does appear to be doing well. I would say however that he probably needed that return to Brazil to get back to his best. He certainly wouldn't have been any less of a risk than Kean given how his time in Europe went, and he was victim of going to Europe way too soon. 18 months ripping it up in Brazil will probably set him up well to return to Europe and really take off.

I hope it does eventually but it's doing nothing for the Club as it is. Something's clearly wrong and I can't see Silva sorting it out given the pressure he's under.

Different position, but look at Soyuncu at Leicester. Highly rated, looked woeful and ill-prepared for the Premier League; now, he's up there amongst the best defenders in the League.

Firmino, bang average when he first arrived at Liverpool; now, one of the most influential forwards in Europe.

Sterling, way over-rated; we laughed when Man City paid 㿞M for him. Bang average Walcott Mk 2 at 19/20. Now, the best player in the Premier League.

At a lesser scale, you see players like Everton Academy graduate John Lundstram, seen as lower-division journeymen becoming top performers in the Premier League.

Salah, De Bruyne and countless others considered 'ill-equipped' for the rigours of the Premier League, when in reality all that was needed was good management and good coaching, and a good dose of hard work and perseverance.

Kean has natural ability way beyond his peers, and we'd be stupid to 'get rid' just 3 months into his career because of a lack of patience.

With you on Calvert-Lewinand on Gabigol. He has clearly benefited from getting his swagger back at Santos and now Flamengo. He is hot-hot-hot right now.

They play one of your favourite teams today, Gremio, in RS. The home team will no doubt be looking for revenge after being humiliated 5-0 in the Libertadores semifinal.

Talking of which, will you be able to watch the Libertadores final on Wednesday? Flamengo haven't had the most relaxed preparation. Today marks their 3rd game in 8 days, including a cracking 4-4 draw with Vasco on Wednesday.

Time to settle down to wall-to-wall sport. Brazilian Grand Prix, followed by Gremio - Flamengo, then FIFA U-17 World Cup Final: Brazil vs Mexico.

Enjoy a UK winter.

In regards to Libertadores, I hope so, one of the best games in football calendar that really should be more celebrated world wide. I have a late start on Thursday so will se did I can catch the game online Wednesday madrugada. Is it still being played in Chile? Despite all the protests there?

I stand by this, but the striker position is NOT our problem; our problem is midfield – starting with the loss of Gueye, followed by Sigurdsson's loss of influence. Zero balance in the middle, weakening both our defenders and strikers.

We could sign any striker in the world and they'd struggle. We must improve the midfield.

I don't think any team brings in a 19-year-old from overseas to play now. This season is to integrate him into the squad with minutes on the pitch to get him up to speed for next season.

"I don't fear the hard times", good on yer, lad. It's not success that we learn from it's failure. With that section of your statement, Moise Kean, I'm reassured that you have guts (unlike some of the first responders on this thread with their cry-arse mentality).

Fresh from watching ToffeeTV's great piece with Neville Southall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLi8x36SFDQ&t=4s, I pop over here and, once again, I see losers whining and painting all Evertonians as hapless victims. Cut it out! Grow a pair and watch Big Nev (as always) talking undiluted pure Evertonianism from the heart!!!

Nev at no point in this instalment espouses anything less than 100% effort, he does accept mistakes and more importantly he explains time and again how experience hones improvement, if it's used positively.

I'm sick of poison, fake blues who continually misrepresent My Club with their victim, hard-done-by fatality. For me, our motto is everything. "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum", "Nothing But The Best Is Good Enough", and that includes our conduct as Evertonians.

Moise Kean is a 19-year-old lad living in a foreign culture who chose Everton; his estranged Dad makes a tit of himself and some TWers follow suit.

Know what you mean about Bolsonaro's Brazil. Odious man and thick as the proverbial porkie muck with it.

GP bubbling up nicely going into the last 20 laps!

All, if it's unclear what Alexander's referring to, or you haven't yet taken the time to follow up on this whole "Kean's father said" nonsense, Moise posted something on Twitter (in Italian) to hopefully put a stop to it.

Loosely translated, he said "do not talk about my life when yours is not an example. I fear not the most difficult moments the best you come from there."

Well said, lad, your time and IMO, greatness, lie ahead.

"A striker was one of our priority signings this summer” said Everton's manager, Marco Silva. “Moise is strong, fast, with many good qualities as a striker and he is just 19 years old. He has talent and he is ready to work, ready to improve our squad and gives us different solutions.”

Pat @76 I think what Eric's trying to say is that just because Silva uttered those words doesn't mean he also believed Kean was the "priority striker" he wanted, or that "improving the squad" meant banging in goals in game 1. Eric, correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks for clearing Kean's status up in this club, that quote passed me by, had I have been armed with it, I would have been spraying it around like bullets out of a machine gun.

Silva took a punt on this kid and it throws a different kind of light on my # 47 post, if Silva did want him, then he's kind of gone for broke, talented but with no experience to call on and hoped he'd just have what it takes to jump in and perform.

It didn't work and we're not working.

Liverpool have Salah and Mane in their same positions week after week. So it does work having players in positions where they are most comfortable with.

It's the same with Walcott, he liked to cut in from the left on to his right foot, and scored many goals for Arsenal, but now he is played as a right winger, and is not the same player. So the confusion is not with the players at the club, but with the manager.

I must watch a different game to most people if that's a popular viewpoint.

and Richarlison and Walcott. Silva, after 18 months, is finally tinkering with his tactics, so we might get to see something different, as he is forced to trust his players... as in Davies and Holgate. He has to get the others going so he can slot kean into the team and not have to heavily rely on a 19 year old.

He is a striker/center forward, just not a lone striker as we've seen too much of in that blasted 4-2-3-1 that I hate haha. Which probably answers the "why doesn't Silva" question as well. Right guy, wrong use/formation. Definitely not on the right!

I have faith we will see this work out though, especially once we finally get our midfield healthy and can in all likelihood regularly run out the 4-3-3 he wants. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Silva simply doesn't trust our midfield to pull it off effectively.

Despite adulation from the talkative Mark Guglielmo, I'm afraid you're going to have to come up with a very good defence for posting this indiscriminate broadside attack, presumably directed at other Evertonians using this site, but with whom you disagree:

I'm sick of poison, fake blues who continually misrepresent My Club with their victim, hard-done-by fatality. [Emphasis added]

Please either cite some specific examples to justify such an attack or post a retraction.

Had the season gone the way we hoped, he would likely have been given more playing time. But it's a big ask for a young lad with very little Premier League experience to come in and turn games where the starting 11 hasn't delivered.

I don't blame Silva for going with other players who have to a degree proved their worth, especially opting to go with Richarlison up top as it has worked before. Calvert-Lewin has got goals and Tosun has an assist and goal off the bench this season.

Hopefully we can get a bit of form, and a break on the injury front because, for me, that also has an impact on Kean being given a chance. If the midfield is weakened, the manager has to compensate. With Kean as yet unproven, he is likely to be conservative. If we are at full strength and have a 2-goal advantage, he has a bit of leeway to give the lad experience.

Then @69, you praise Moise Kean for replying to his father's "fabricated" message???

Which one is it? And how are we to assess the value in any advice, knowledge or wisdom you are giving us moving forward?

What I wrote at @44:
The source, once again, is an Italian clickbait site that PAYS for people - in this case, a father who hasn't been in Kean's life for 15 years - to create stories where there are none, then reports them as news. Each click generates ad revenue, and so the cycle continues.

Giving this actual credence by reporting it as news is no different than the National Enquirer here in the States putting "Obama secret memoirs reveal plans to help Al-Qaeda!!" And then segments of the population run with it as gospel. Really, really disappointed.

Kean choosing to respond to it I can only assume was to confirm that there's no truth or actual story here. Sorry if that wasn't clear to you.

It's obviously up to you whether you pay attention to anything I say; I doubt you're the first!

It would make a refreshing change if us fans didn't leap on the such stories to again undermine our young players. A 19 year old with huge potential who has taken a big bet in a foreign league, he has my complete respect. He has not played well in a poorly performing team (no surprise there, he has only had rare opportunities and frequently played out of position - that is down to the management. He was late for one tea meeting? He'll learn from it.

It is no surprise that DCL and Davies have shown better form since being given a longer run in their favoured positions when injuries and poor performances forced Marco Silva's hand. Jonjo Kenny is doing superbly at Schalke now he is a regular. I know Silva is under huge pressure and it feels safer to lean on senior pros - unsurprisingly they have let him down as they did other managers.

The likes of Schneiderlin, Sigurddson, Walcott, Tosun and Seamus are not the future of this club. The future of the club are our young players.

Michael 86 you have a pop at the 'talkative' Mark like its wrong to have more than one post but time and time again your veteran posters that create constant negatives with no real substance, continue their poisonous jackanory for as long as they like.

The Words (such an attack) made me chuckle.

The threads are full of attacks of many sorts.

Fans are attacked for worrying about the squad, fake manager allegations we see so often

The whole Kean Coronation Street hype has been largely enhanced by your partners take on the "mis-management of Kean", again with very little substance.

It's ridiculous from Walsh. There are so many variables that influence these players and how they are today.

Robertson is a product of outstanding coaching from Liverpool and a system that really suits him.

Don't forget, Kloepp didn't pick him to start for a long period of his first season because he wasn't able to provide the team with what the Liverpool manager was demanding.

Would he have been the same player in a Ronald Koeman Everton team? For me it's doubtful.

Say we did sign Haaland. This young man has played a lot of football for his age, no doubt augmenting his outstanding development.

I can only envisage that had he joined Everton, he would've gone straight to Rhino in the u23s and I'm doubtful that this would've been anywhere near as beneficial to him. Failing that, when we were struggling for goals after Lukaku went, we put a very young teenager up top in First Team Premier League football and watch him struggle.

As long as Steve Walsh is comfortable with it all.

Maybe he should reflect on the players he actually did sign. If he didn't agree then and felt they weren't good enough, he should've left the club. As quite rightly he was judged on the players that were brought in.

Good riddance.

I'd be amazed to see him go on loan in January but expect he will get more game time in a packed December.

I also think he will do a lot better with Iwobi at 10 instead of Sigurdsson. The former shows for the ball alot more and likes to play balls to feet whilst with the latter we seem to attack almost entirely through the wings and full backs and I doubt Kean will ever benefit from loads of high crosses in this league. he wants the ball to feet in the box or in front of him so he is able to run at defenders.

I hope we are working behind the scenes with Kean and getting him up to speed. Hopefully SIlva is working on him and can show us this fabled coaching ability that some people on here regularly talk about it.

"I also think he will do a lot better with Iwobi at 10 instead of Sigurdsson. The former shows for the ball alot more and likes to play balls to feet whilst with the latter we seem to attack almost entirely through the wings and full backs and I doubt Kean will ever benefit from loads of high crosses in this league. he wants the ball to feet in the box or in front of him so he is able to run at defenders."

I'm pretty sure he didn't have a single goal off a header last year. Not sure about when he was even younger, but I don't remember one on any of his YouTube highlight reels either. All his goals come from his feet.

Paul @91 I appreciate you saying that, thank you. It's apparent that I rub people the wrong way, so I'll probably just hang out in the live matchday forums moving forward. Cheers.

Good post, Walsh is blowing his own trumpet, and unless he is a simpleton he will know there are many factors at play. This ''I told you so'' stance tells us all we need to know about him.

Opinions and views are what TW is about!

Agree to disagree if you have too, but stop making it personal.

Get a life and move on.

From the bottom I'd love a straight chat, debate, or disagreement with absolutely any Evertonian but surely the points that lack foundation have to be shot down or we never move forward?

Frustration has lead to some really petty opinions and accusations when we used to be so constructive and composed.

Tony. Completely mate

It's ok throwing Haalands name into the ring when he's had an outstanding 6 month period. But where was he 12 months ago with this story?

Also. He happens to name 4 players doing well. Surely he recommended others who we also didn't sign. Who were those, Steve?

Tony. Completely mate

It's ok throwing Haalands name into the ring when he's had an outstanding 6 month period. But where was he 12 months ago with this story?

Also. He happens to name 4 players doing well. Surely he recommended others who we also didn't sign. Who were those, Steve?

Give the lad time and patience and hopefully he will come good. Nearly everyone was cockahoop when we signed him.

We could argue all day about the reasons why and still disagree on most points. I don't like Klopp but he is on another planet compared to Silva.

Sadly everything that has gone wrong at Goodison has gone right at Anfield and it's not all down to cash flow.

There should be a big inquiry into the Moise Kean situation and it should be sorted right now. Was he an import of Silva's and, if so, why has he not progressed?

They paid big money for him and it is appearing now that he has become a big flop like so many other players brought in over the last few seasons like Davy Klaassen for instance.

Hopefully it isn't too late to turn the Kean situation around but if he is disgruntled or if Silva isn't impressed by what he has shown so far then he has to be moved out.

The season is becoming just another yawn like so many we have unfortunately witnessed since the eighties after we all thought that moneybags Moshiri would really get things moving but it's hard to see Silva making much improvement now.

Best one is his telling Mourinho about signing Lukaku to ManU, "He's a big baby, you know." I wish we kept Romelu, but that's funny.

And Andrew Robertson is a product of Andrew Robertson, not the RS coaching staff, for goodness sake. And he's been a regular for at least 2 seasons. You can't miss him. When was all this time Klopp didn't play him? I wish he wouldn't play him against us.

"There should be a big inquiry into the Moise Kean situation and it should be sorted right now.
Was he an import of Silva's and if so why has he not progressed.
They paid big money for him and it is appearing now that he has become a big flop like so many other players brought in over the last few season like Davy Klassen for instance.
Hopefully it isn't too late to turn the Kean situation around but if he is disgruntled or if Silva isn't impressed by what he has shown so far then he has to be moved out."

...are still being made. Can you help me understand? What inquiry? He's a flop? Too late to turn around what? There are some who keep saying "big money paid," as if Moise himself set his sale price. 㿇m is not big money paid in 2019. We paid more for Lukaku at the age of 20 6 years ago (and he had already spent 3+ years learning to play football in England).

He's 19. He's been here for 4-months of a 4-year contract. He's almost universally thought-of as among the top 20 players under 20 in the world, including many who went for 2-3 times the asking price. I just don't get this argument.

I know there's a chance you'll take my directness as anger, or attacking, toward you. It's not. I just have a really hard time with any of this sentiment.

You're incorrect. He never became a regular until December through to January in his first season. Around the halfway point.

And my next point is about opinion. For me, he looks unbelievably good in that team. I think in other teams, such as a garbage one like Everton, he wouldn't look as good.

Their system, coaching and strategy relies heavily on the wing backs and releasing them as part of the attacking phase of their play. They work extremely hard to create space for them and as such they get a lot of time on the ball and a lot of play in the final third.

Just look at how he and Trent both perform with their respective international teams. They are nowhere near as effective

Believe it or not, l recon give us a year, possibly two and we could be dynamite... if they all progress as they should and are allowed the time. That doesn't necessarily mean time for the manager. Big few weeks coming up but in all honesty it would be better for all if Silva comes good. (Even if l did want him gone).

For God's sake, are you dense or just playing around? He looks unbelievably good because he IS unbelievably good. He'd look exactly as good in "garbage" Everton (real nice) or have you not watched Digne since he arrived?

Robertson is the "result" of HIS physical gift, HIS developed skill, HIS determination, and HIS hard work. Not fucking Klopp.

How good a player looks is heavily dependent on how well the team is playing. When the team gels, players look better. Robertson plays alongside the best CH in the world, who has had a massive influence on that defence.

In your final paragraph, all of those attributes are indeed necessary conditions for success. But they are not sufficient conditions. Playing in a good side is of paramount importance, especially to younger players.

Despite football being a 'simple game', drawing conclusions about how good a player is without considering the quality of the team is not simple. And appealing to a God is unlikely to help clarify your perception.

Andy Robertson on Silva

Same with Gibson. We have one of the best young centerback in europe and we don't let him play... That is also bullshit. He should have the chance to play a match or two. He could be brilliant. Its impossible to know if he do not get the chance.

This is useless management of Silva.

I worry more for the South American players and was hoping Richarlison and Everton had decided to blag his injury at Southampton, just to give the kid a bit of a rest.

I'd love to see young Gordon get a game. He's on fire right now. He's got to be very close now.