Everton vs Watford

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Dominic Calvert-Lewin could return to the starting XI after his goalscoring exploits off the bench on Saturday

Everton look to the Carabao Cup again this evening to lift them out of their Premier League doldrums as Watford come to Goodison Park.

A place in quarter-finals beckons for the Blues if they can regroup following Saturday's 3-2 defeat at Brighton and overcome the Hornets for the second time this season.

Marco Silva oversaw his first win of the 2019-20 season when Watford made the trip to L4 in August thanks to Bernard's solitary goal and the Portuguese will be hoping for similar this time around.

Of course, the Brazilian won't be in the line-up because of the ligament injury he sustained at the Amex Stadium and that will force one change at least on the manager who has made a habit of mixing things up for the League Cup.

His options in defence will be limited if Yerry Mina isn't able to shake off a knee complaint as Silva will again be left with just two senior centre-halves but there are choices to be made elsewhere in the side if he does want to deviate from the side that started at Brighton.

Gylfi Sigurdsson could come back into the team to replace Bernard and that would pave the way of Dominic Calvert-Lewin to start up front while Richarlison moves back out wide and it's possible that Silva will reinstate Seamus Coleman after the skipper sat out on Saturday.

Watford, meanwhile, have some injury concerns as they adjust to life with Quique Sánchez Flores back in the hotseat. Jose Holebas is available again after serving a one-match suspension and Etienne Capoue could return after resuming training, but Femenia is a doubt after missed the goalless draw with Bournemouth because of illness, and Danny Welbeck is ruled out for at least the next two or three months.

Once again, there is talk that the outcome of this match could have significant ramifications for Silva if it's not a favourable one for Everton. As such, it's one he knows he must win to keep alive the hopes of reaching Wembley and once again ease the pressure on his shoulders.

“Our goal and our ambition in the competition is clear and this is not the moment for us to hide," he said in The Guardian. "We want to reach the end of the competition, the final.

"What I expect from our team is the same desire we showed in the last two [cup] games we won. If we can do the same performance that we did against West Ham, we will be really close to winning the game.”

Kick-off: 7:45pm, Tuesday 29 October 2019
Last Time: Everton 2 - 1 Watford (LC 2nd Rnd, 1st Leg, September 1991)

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Holgate, Digne, Gomes, Delph, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin


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Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 28/10/2019 at 00:01:35
Positive: we've never lost a cup game to Watford.

Negative: we'd never lost to Swansea or Bournemouth until the last few years.

I imagine Flores is a little bitter that he was fired and replaced by Silva only to get his job back after Silva and AN Other were fired. He has a point to prove. Geri has a point to prove too. Luckily like Everton they're both chokers. This may come down to who gets the Heimlich maneuver to clear their wind pipes first.

John Reynolds
2 Posted 29/10/2019 at 00:27:56
From the predicted lineup I'd have Davies for Delph, Iwobi at 10, Richarlison on the left and Kean on the right in a 4-3-3 (I'd even accept Theo right side.) If Yerry is fit I'd pair him with Mason.
Mark Guglielmo
3 Posted 29/10/2019 at 01:29:41
If that's the lineup we will lose, so in short, Marco will be hammering the final nail in his own coffin. IMO of course.

So many ahem, pundits, have already declared him dead and gone, he has nothing left to lose.

Pickford (though honestly I'd rather Lossl)
Sidibe Keane Holgate Digne
Davies Iwobi Gomes
Kean DCL Richarlison

In a proper 4-3-3.

Rob Marsh
4 Posted 29/10/2019 at 02:15:41
Regardless of Watford's position in the table they are a prem side and can have ago when they're up for it.

We've had an easy time of it in this cup up to now, but I think tomorrow will be different. This is a real 50/50, they're just as desperate to stay in this cup as we are and they'll be encouraged by how easily we fold under pressure.

They're bottom of the league and need a pick-me-up, is there better time to play EFC?

Jack Convery
5 Posted 29/10/2019 at 02:39:02
If Siggy and Morgan are in the starting XI I will be very surprised. If they are and we lose Silva should not be surprised with the angry reaction that will surely follow.
Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 29/10/2019 at 03:11:41

If Schneid plays I'm sure he'll get himself sent off to avoid the full time boos

Derek Knox
7 Posted 29/10/2019 at 04:03:04
I think I like Mark's combination @ 3, still we are at home, which is a bonus in some ways, and if recent showings are any sort of barometer, most play marginally better on home turf.

Most of us wanted an unchanged team for the recent defeat at Brighton, and apart from the enforced change of Holgate for Mina, Silva obliged accordingly. I couldn't believe how poor Gomes and Davies were in contrast to seven days earlier. So who knows?

There is definitely something not right at Everton with the players, how can such contrasting displays of individual performances be so diverse in a matter of days. They were not alone either, it seems that any malaise seems to affect most of the team rather than an individual having an off-day, which can happen but mass suicide!

Brian Porter
8 Posted 29/10/2019 at 05:55:55
I have no faith in Silva, to either select or motivate a team to win any game so this will be a lottery, probably a case of who scores first wins, definitely the case if Watford score first
Andy Codling
9 Posted 29/10/2019 at 06:06:26
Any aware if this is televised?
Trevor Peers
10 Posted 29/10/2019 at 07:46:16
We should win this game easily, just like the West Ham game this is a gift for Silva, bottom of the league Watford at home are one of the 2 or 3 teams in the division that are in worse shape than the blues.

A win however will give Silva confirmation bias that he's back on track and in with a chance of winning a trophy, it will prolong the agony I'm afraid and keep him in the job. Under Kenwright Moyes was expected to get beat by the top six, under Moshiri, Silva is expected to lose or draw all premiership away games and keep his job, shocking.

Eddie Dunn
11 Posted 29/10/2019 at 07:50:51
Derek, I think that the main reason the same line-up (Mina excepted) played so poorly at Brighton was they didn't like the conditions.
Pickford didn't like the slippery ball, Digne slid in to pop one past his keeper and passes were regularly overhit or underhit. Our players from warmer climes clearly hate the cold rain but all of our pampered poodles dislike travelling.
If we do get through this round our only hope is another home draw and unseasonably pleasant weather.
James Stewart
12 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:00:02
That predicted team is scary.
Nick Lacey
13 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:00:39
Andy 8. Can't see it on telly over here, but this website shows you where it is on abroad which can help to find a stream:


Also, if you go to the App store and type in 'potato stream', you can normally download an app which streams lots of games.

Tony Everan
14 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:20:16
Let's hope can beat both Watford and the VAR referee tonight.

We need a bit of a pick-me-up before the Tottenham game and this is ripe to give us some momentum back.

Frank Sheppard
15 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:20:42
I am having my normal match day thoughts I hope we win, and I hope we sack Silva. The two are not compatible unfortunately, so the purgatory continues after the international break. Strange times.
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:21:30
We want to win, but if we end up drawing Manchester City away in the Quarters then it's going to feel like a defeat anyway isn't it?

I feel collectively too much is wrong and has been wrong at Everton for a good number of years.

Silva will be hung out to dry, he'll be the only one that gets the sack, not the players (some of whom have failed dismally under THREE different managers now).

Marco has faults, more than a few and I don't think he's going to be the man to take us forward long term and deep down Moshiri has probably started to feel it too, that's why there been no statement to silence the doubters.

If the club felt Silva was 100 percent the right man then why not come out and say

“he's our choice, we wanted him for a year before we got him, we are in the middle of building something and he will most definitely not get the sack during his 3 year contract”.

But the silence from the people at the very top at Everton has been deafening let's be honest, and it's not a convincing reassuring atmosphere for Silva to work in.

I'm not arsed about the players to tell the truth, they perform the same under every manager we get now, they turn up one week, then for the next five weeks they look like they couldn't give a shit, that's going to be the same once Silva leaves the club.

Silva will go if we lose tonight and he'll certainly be gone by the middle of November after more league defeats so it's merely a stay of execution for the man.

The task then though is huge, back to square one before the panicked appointment of Sam Allardyce, what does Moshiri do then?

Another journeyman troubleshooter to guide the club to safety?

Or does he try and move heaven and earth to bring in a man with a winners CV and track record that players should both respect and fear?

Right now we are in easy street, all goes wrong just keep blaming Silva, the players get off relatively scot free as usual.

John Keating
17 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:24:57
I think we have more important matters than the LC
Sidibe Holgate Keane Baines
Davies Iwobe Delph
Kean DCL Walcott
Rob Young
18 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:33:54
More important matters then the LC?
What could possibly be more important then for us to just try and win a game of football for a effing change?
I want Silva out regardless and I want all of us to stop playing down any competition we are in and start demanding we try to win football matches, which is sort of the whole effing point.

If these can't play two games a week then these are simply not good enough and can all f off.
Trying to get to the level of the top-6 means playing 60 games a season and not once have a moan about it. Grow some effing balls.

It's football, the idea is to try and win your games.

Christ, watching those rugby lad going at it without all the fuss of your average premier league player makes every single one of our lads look like total mugs.

Just play the bloody game.

Derek Knox
19 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:34:09
Eddie @ 11, maybe we could rig up some sort of round the pitch heaters so their little tootsies don't get cold, wtf? How bloody nesh are these?

Many of our loyal away supporters got drenched en route and back waiting for trains and buses etc, a round trip in many cases of 15-18 hours, and that is how they get repaid?

Andy @ 9, there are very few signs that there will be any broadcasting of 'our match' but there is usually a stream somewhere either on YouTube or some other. I am going to check Nick @13's link later. Thanks Nick hopefully we can get something, just hope they don't let us down.

A lot of Prem sides are playing each other so obviously some are going to go out, although we (team) don't deserve it I still hope to progress, then who knows the draw may be favourable again.

Derek Knox
20 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:44:33
Jim B, @ 16, spot on there Jim, I think many of us feel the same way, your second paragraph sums up a lot really, but no-one will come out and admit they were wrong, or have made a series of expensive cock-ups.

It is worrying though, regarding our League position and the longer the deafening silence goes on, the deeper we go nearer the point of no return.

The saving grace for Silva may be a good result tonight followed by a must win against Spurs, otherwise, I can't see his fingernails lasting much longer clutching at both straws and a precipitous cliff edge.

Peter Mills
21 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:44:33
Just win the game please, then deal with the quarter final when it arises.

Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:55:47
But Jim's first paragraph questions why we are even in the competition though Derek.
Gary Fenton
23 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:02:59
Ray Robinson
24 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:15:53
Rob #18, well said that man! The negative, defeatist attitude of someon here makes me mad. Some even suggesting that to lose the game would be the best outcome in the "interests of the bigger picture!" Have they no knowledge of the Adrian Heath moment at Oxford all those years ago in the League Cup that changed the course of history from an all time nadir? Sure we lost to Liverpool in the Final but look what happened afterwards. Winning breeds confidence and can become a habit COYB!
Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:25:30
I'm hoping the team go out and have good go, get a good convincing win which will, hopefully, give them enough confidence to believe they will beat Spurs on Sunday.

Moan after the game by all means but let's see if Silva can motivate them, or the players motivate themselves tonight and give us something to cheer and keep us going into Sunday.

Jim Bennings
26 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:36:01
Dave 25

You are a right!

It would be nice to think the players can actually motivate themselves tonight rather than know if they fail the manager is the one to cop it anyway.

If I'm a footballer (regardless of the completely stupid amount of money I'd be on) then I'd be wanting to win myself silverware and bring a trophy to the club I played for, again regardless of my childhood affinity with them or not.

Too many players these days are more interested in posting on Instagram and fannying about with selfies ect ect.

The game is called football, the objective in football is to win a trophy and do well, why has that somehow become lost in today's modern era?

Tony Waring
27 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:42:19
On a side-issue as far as injuries are concerned - and we seem to have more than our fair share at the moment - I saw a report that Danny Welbeck is out for 2/3 months. Sad news indeed.
Andy Codling
28 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:55:13
Cheers Nick unfortunately not being televised in Iraq, but good site to now for future games.
Derek Taylor
29 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:03:14
Everton 14/19 to win. Watford are going down the pan at a great deal of knots and I can't see any way we will lose -whatever team is selected. The fixture can be totally ignored in any consideration of the manager's future. He'll be with us till Crimbo, in any case !!
Kenny Smith
30 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:04:18
If we don't go through tonight then that's got to be it for Silva. He was reportedly given 3 games to save his job 2 games ago. A great performance against West Ham and yet another collapse against a mediocre Brighton away has don't nothing yo stop the inevitable in my opinion. We've still lost 5 or the last 6 in the in league.
25 seasons this year since we won anything so I've got mixed feelings about this one tonight.
Len Hawkins
31 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:10:15
I notice that Welbeck is out for 3 months what a surprise, how the hell did Watford end up with a crock ahead of us someone obviously clicked and checked injury record before taking the plunge.
Sam Hoare
32 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:19:08
Big game for a number of reasons.

Firstly, we need a trophy. It's been too long and even the League Cup would go some way to showing players that they can win things at this club. I'd probably be happy enough if we won the LC and ended the season in 10th-14th.

Secondly, we badly need some confidence. And that only comes from winning games. Off the back of West Ham we started the Brighton game well and probably should have been a goal up at half time were it not for needless fouling by Gomes and poor keeping from Pickford. This team is not without hope and a few wins might just turn into a few more.

Thirdly, the manager needs it. And if they players like the manager as much as they claim they need to help him out. If we lose tonight and lose to Spurs then I think that may well be the death knell for Silva's time here. Some might see that as a good thing but I still think he's a decent manager and that at this mid-point of the season we won't find many better out there. Marcelino has been linked and he could be a good stop gap but I don't think many of us want to keep going through managers ad infinitum.

Brian Porter
33 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:22:47
Is it any wonder there's massive communication problems at the club. It's been said before that the players probably can't understand what Silva is saying most of the time. Here's a perfect example of this, Silva talking about Bernard's injury...

"What we want is to be with him as fast as you can, but it is important for us to have him 100% of his best conditions as well."

If you can make sense of that short quote, you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

Can you imagine a pre match team talk along those lines. Most of the players probably tune out after a few sentences because most of what he's saying is incomprehensible to them. Probably explains why our subs seem to be ignoring him when he's giving them instructions on the touchline before coming on. Hard enough to try and understand him in a relatively quiet dressing room, but with the crowd noise going on in the background they don't really stand a chance.

Can we please have a manager who speaks reasonably understandable English?

Seamus Lynch
34 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:56:24
Any aware if this is televised? POST 9
See here
Brent Stephens
35 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:59:43
Brian - it means "we want him back as soon as possible but it's important he's 100% fit".

And that only took me five minutes to decipher.

Paul Kennedy
36 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:08:55
I'm fed up with Everton — the only sure thing: we will get let down with a bang.
Mark Guglielmo
37 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:21:39
Brent, reminds me of an album I heard back in the 1980s. It was called "Speak English Or Die!" It was xenophobic then, and that was 35 year ago! Of all the things wrong with our club, Marco's English is probably somewhere around 200th on that list. They all speak the language of football, right?

Not sure if ESPN+ is available anywhere outside the States, but it's being televised there.

John Keating
38 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:23:14
There has to be an ending regards Silva
West Ham was a must win.
We got the result but lets be honest like the other wins it wasn't exactly brilliant

Then we come to the next must win at Brighton
We need that elusive away win especially after going behind
We didn't get the result and we heard all the reasons why. The game is 90 odd minutes not one decision

Now we come to the next must win to get us the elusive silverware

At the weekend we'll get the next must win against one if the so called top six

Then we'll have the next must win against
the equally hapless Southampton. Can you imagine if we lose there?

My ten games in is my cut off point with Silva he should have gone on Saturday

Brian Porter
39 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:23:37
Brent #35. You illustrate my point perfectly. Five minutes to decipher one sentence. Can you imagine the confusion among the players when Silva is making a 15 minute team talk pre-match?

"What did he mean?"
"Er.. Dunno. Anybody get that?"
"Which bit?"
"All of it"
"Hey boss, can you say that again?"
"Which bit?"
"Er.. All of it."
"No time. Out you go, and remember my instructions."
Various groans and mumbled comments.
"What fuckin' instructions?"

Nothing to worry about eh chaps?

Tom Bowers
40 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:24:07
I am prepared for anything these days, no matter what team we are playing. It's just pointless expecting a great performance in any game as the formula needed to be a solid team is just not there.

After the debacle at Brighton and the VAR controversy, why would we expect a great response against Watford?

I suppose we all live in hope and after the Hammers victory, some thought or hoped the corner was being turned... but somehow I doubt it will ever happen under Silva.

Rob Marsh
41 Posted 29/10/2019 at 11:49:19
Derek Taylor # 29

These will be two wounded animals in the same cage tonight, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the bookies on this one.

This is a significant nail in his EFC coffin if he loses tonight, he may well be booed out the ground tonight. The EFC top brass will be taking note of the crowd tonight should it go against us, fans tend to let fly with their feelings more at cup matches.

James Hughes
42 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:21:40
So Silva is the only person in the club who isn't fluent in the Queen's English, is he? The Brazilian, Portuguese French or Italians speak like a local, do they?

There are many different reasons to berate Silva, they he speaks ain't one of 'em. A load of old Coljones, in my opinion.

Mike Connolly
43 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:31:13
The only English our players need to hear: Get fucking stuck in to the opposition!
Brent Stephens
44 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:31:16
Mark #37 "Speak English Or Die!" Could start with you yanks and their English ! And then follow up with us scousers and our English!

Brian #39 - phenomenal, as somebody once said!

Brent Stephens
45 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:34:15
James #42 it's just a bit of, what's the word, "fun" (ah, I remember fun! I remember happy).
Lenny Kingman
46 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:34:56
Calvert-Lewin may be the man after his goal-scoring exploits at Sheffield Wednesday in the previous round.

We beat them of course in the 1966 FA Cup final and lo and behold tonight we have the next team we beat in the FA Cup Final in 1984 coming to town.

Is there something in the air for the League Cup this term. Hope so. I'm going for 2-0 (smiley)!

Derek Knox
47 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:37:47
Mark @ 37, thanks mate I may just be able to get ESPN+ on my IPTV Service so thanks for the 'heads up on that'!

It's frustrating enough watching them of late, but I think listening on the radio or getting feedback whilst on the Live Forum, while not being able to watch is even more frustrating.

Having said that, IPTV is usually a minute behind live broadcast, so many spoiler alerts before they score on my feed, but I don't mind that so much.

Jamie Evans
48 Posted 29/10/2019 at 12:43:47
John @ 38. I thought we were brilliant against West Ham. Every single player.

The exception instead of the rule unfortunately.

Sidibe Keane Holgate Digne.
Gomes Delph Davies.
Iwobi Kean Richarlison.

Full support. 💙

Dave Lynch
49 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:01:03
Let's face it, he can't afford to lose this one.

Again this is our only outside chance of a trophy and let's get real, it is an outside chance.

Lose this and he's history.

John Kavanagh
50 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:06:42
It speaks volumes about how much our club has declined that there's so little confidence about a home fixture against bottom club Watford. I think Mark's team at #3 is our best option. We play better moving the ball quickly and trying to capitalise on the speed of our forwards.

However, our tactical genius will likely reward Sigurdsson for his impression of the Invisible Man last Saturday and bring in Schneiderlin to add much-needed stability (ie, sideways passing) in midfield. So we are more likely to revert to moving at the speed of treacle in Alaska.

For me, this fixture is now meaningless because, if we don't get at least 6 more points on the board by December, then relegation beckons. It would be just like us to dither and finally sack Silva at the end of November. We will then instruct/expect Unsworth to get 15 points from our December fixtures. Piece of cake.

Notwithstanding all the above I'm still hoping for a miraculous win with Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi given the opportunity to develop what could be a useful partnership.

PS. Like others, I can't make out what Silva's saying either. The Portuguese Stanley Unwin's instructions must be completely unintelligible to most of our players except for maybe the odd word like 'sideways', 'slow' and 'wide' being understood.

Joe McMahon
51 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:13:56
Lenny @46, events in 1966 or even Oxford 1984 have no bearing whatsoever to the football world in 2019.

The longest period in Everton's history without a trophy does kind of make us all desperate. It's hard to admit that our club is a shambles and has been for decades. Even if (and that's a big if) Everton win this trophy, Liverpool will do the Premier League and Champions League double.

John Pierce
52 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:17:43
Silva is now trapped in the cycle of ‘only one game from defeat'. No amount of mitigation can dig him out.

He isn't, based on his tenure, going on a 10-game winning run. His time is up, please put him and us out of this current misery and into a new one!

John Raftery
53 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:19:41
I will be surprised if Kean is not in the starting eleven. Also, I doubt Gomes is physically able to play two games in four days to the standard required. Currently, he looks like a one-game-in-four player at best.

I thought Davies was ok on Saturday, doing enough to keep his place. The same cannot be said about Sigurdsson.

The worrying aspect about tonight is that, if the starting eleven is poor, there will be few options on the bench to rescue the situation.

Joe McMahon
54 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:21:23
John, I think Watford will play a very weaker side. Calvert-Lewin will grab a brace then everyone will think EFC is on the upturn again. When knows if Harry Kane goes to Real in January then Spurs may just tempt our Talisman striker away.

Apologies for being negative, over 40 years of supporting this club is taking its toll.

John McFarlane Snr
55 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:25:17
Hi Derek [19] I'll try to be as diplomatic as I can, I think your dislike of Marco Silva is bordering on hysterical, you never let a chance go by without vilifying him with sarcastic comments, [that might be deemed amusing to yourself]. I know that you said at an Excelsior get-together, that you used to be a season ticket holder but relinquished it. I won't be so insensitive as to ask the reason why, I would however ask "Are attending tonight's game"?

Hi Dave [25] I'm not long back from the chemist's after picking up another prescription, I've passed a self enforced fitness test, so Josh and I will be occupying our usual seats in the Park End. I hope I'm not coming across as a 'grumpy old man' but so many posts are [if you'll excuse my feeble attempt at humour] positively negative.

Hi Jim [26] forgive me if I'm adding years to your age,but I have a feeling that you're of my generation, or not far removed from it. I agree that no matter what today's players earn, self pride should demand that they give 100% to the cause, nobody can guarantee a top class performance, but effort is essential.

Simon Dalzell
56 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:27:55
I find vipbox.live is a very good place to watch all Premier League matches. Usually there are no Carabao Cup matches on, bar the TV ones.

Today, however, the match IS in their listing. Perhaps my ToffeeWeb friends may want to give it a go. (This may be common knowledge already!)

Bill Gall
57 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:33:53
I think that Silva's team selection for this game will show his intentions for the rest of the season( If he is still here).

To me he has 2 choices: go for the win, and that gives an outside chance of winning the Carabao Cup to get into Europe, or with a hard game coming up at the weekend, will he rest most of the usual premier game players and play some of the usual substitutes and young fringe players, and concentrate on the weekend game.

Trying to guess his team selection is pretty difficult, as most of his decisions are usually the opposite to what most supporters think. Tonight, it will be either congratulations, or another nail in his coffin

Stan Schofield
58 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:40:36
What should happen is that we're fired up by the perceptions of 'bad luck' and bad officiating, and use this fire in the belly to thrash Watford, especially given that we have much better players technically. We have to make our own luck, at least to a large extent, otherwise we'll never progress. So, for example, although the VAR decision on Saturday was puzzling and disappointing, it should be USED positively rather than negatively to instill real determination to win this trophy.

Similarly, there are 28 league games left to play, which means 84 further points up for grabs, i.e. 94 points for the season up for grabs. This should be the aim. We need to dispense with feeling sorry for ourselves, and just try to win each game as it comes along, regardless of how previous games have gone. The quality is there, we just need to apply some mental discipline to make that quality bear fruit.

John Pierce
59 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:45:23
Stan, that should have been the reaction to the penalty not preparing for tonight. A better reaction on Saturday nets us at least a draw, a good reaction gets us a win.
John Pierce
60 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:52:47
Anyone up for dropping Pickford? Not that Silva, with the ship sinking around him, would countenance it. He has bigger fish to fry, right?

His performance Saturday was lost in the VAR, our now standard capitulation and the pall of apathy enveloping the club.

Pickford has had a poor season, the first couple of games he deffo was good. Some excellent 1-v-1 saves but the free-kick thing is an issue.

Can he set a wall up properly? Why is he consistently beaten with efforts on ‘his side'? He always seems to step towards his wall before the strike, if the lad puts it top bin then hands up. Otherwise, keep it out of your side. The distribution is still very erratic too. The punches he made were lamentable.

Clearly a player down on form and confidence, give him a break, Marco.

Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:10:14
Just wondering if (as some had speculated) Moyes had replaced Silva during the international break, what kind of team would he send out tonight?

I'd imagine something like:

Coleman, Holgate, Keane, Baines
Delph, Davies, Digne
Walcott, Calvert-Lewin, Iwobi

Kim Vivian
62 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:11:26
I can see the following events occurring (knowing our luck)...

1 - We win tonight, getting Silva a temporary reprieve
2 - We get a winnable quarter-final draw
3 - We lose to Spurs at the weekend
4 - We lose to an improved Southampton (I do rate their manager, and think he might possibly be a decent fit for us despite the evidence at St Mary's)
5 - Silva departs
6 - Someone (?) takes the reins
7 - We win our last-16 match in the League Cup
8 - Sods law comes in to play - We get Liverpool in the semi-final...

Even if we lose tonight, I still think Silva will get the next couple of games but the end of the plank must be looking frighteningly close to Marco. As someone (Jim B I think?) said above, there is no vocal support from the top and that says a lot.

I was sceptical about his appointment as were most on ToffeeWeb, but we generally are an optimistic lot and there were some pretty convincing arguments being made in his favour. I figured that possibly more homework other than a mere look at his record might have been done and retained some optimism. Since then, besides a couple of positive blips, the signs have been pretty pessimistic. The next few weeks are a mountain I do not believe Silva can climb...

I will be very surprised if Silva is still our manager at Xmas. We need to have an alternative in place as soon as we can to give them the best chance of resurrecting something from this season with most of the tough games to come.

Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:13:56

I didn't realize we were playing Spurs at the weekend. Silva and Pochettino looking like the Brothers Grimm with their glum faces on the sideline feeling like the whole world is against them. Gosh, it will be like a wake.

Jim Bennings
64 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:13:56
John 60

Where do you want me to drop him? I'll personally drive him to the highest point.

I agree, there is zero point in bringing in backup goalkeepers if they are nowhere near the level of challenging for a place in the first team especially when the “Number 1” loses form.

I think Pickford's head has been all over the place ever since that World Cup last year, hyped up as national hero, has inflated his ego.

However the most worrying a thing I notice about him is how low his overall concentration is, he's like a circus jester that can't keep still and finds it funny.

He's starting to resemble Tim Howard in his last two years here, and this feels now more than just a temporary loss of form. I think someone needs to get a hold of him and tell him to sort himself out ASAP.

Neil Cremin
65 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:15:47

I have being saying that Pickford is a liability for years. Ever since his first season when he clattered into the beleaguered Ashley Williams and the ToffeWebbers blamed Williams for not having eyes in the back of his head. Since then I have been proved right.

Pickford is a good shot stopper but his lack of command of the goalmouth areas is causing panic with our defenders, his tendency to rush out and blame everybody else when there is a shot at goal, his tendency to resort to rushing out and launching a long ball upfield when he does hold the ball and finally on kick out which have a high risk of going out over the sideline. Even his punch back into play was schoolboy stuff.

The other issue is that this doesn't help a fragile Michael Keane. I would suggest that when Mina returns his defensive partner should be Holgate.

I agree with the comments on Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Gomes in that Everton's biggest problem is the speed of passing as well as the tendency to lose confidence away from home, especially in the depths of Winter, where all the silky skills are overcome by raw hard work, which is absent with many of our players.

Steven Astley
66 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:16:55
"I think we have more important matters than the League Cup" — Quote of the day from Mr (Ronan) Keating.
John McFarlane Snr
67 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:18:52
Hi Derek [47],

I was interrupted mid-post, and having just returned to my laptop, I find that you've answered my question indirectly.

Sam Hoare
68 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:35:06
I really hope he does not play Sigurdsson at No 10 tonight. It has just left us so pedestrian in the middle.

It just about worked when we had Gana's pace and energy and an unbelievable amount of ball winning (I still can't believe there were those who didn't rate him!) but now our middle is slow and ponderous at the best of times.

Put Iwobi back in the middle with Richie on the wing. Kean or more likely Calvert-Lewin up top.

Brian Wilkinson
69 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:37:46
Well whatever you think of Silva, whatever you think of the players, the lineup tonight, we are in this together tonight.

Some might find it a distraction, an inconvenience, for me it is the chance of Silverware.

I have no doubt Goodison will be up for this, big turn out expected by the supporters, so let's all just put aside any ill-feeling until after the game.

Anyone wanting a loss tonight, feel free to donate your final ticket to me, should we advance to the final.

This is a game that can land you a trophy. I do not care what other sides are still in it, a win, a generous tie next round and what better chance of ending 24 trophy-less years.

Get behind the team tonight. I will be at the match and hope the team delivers tonight.

Onwards and upwards Evertonians.

David Pearl
70 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:39:33
If Everton were a bird l'd of blocked her by now.

I don't know what will happen tonight. Watford should be better placed than they are. I think quality wise Silva could make up to 5 changes and not weaken us too much.

I hope he gives Lössl a go, and Baines too, who must be getting cobwebs. Personally l would keep a Sidibe in and give him a proper run of games:

Sidibe Keane Holgate Baines
Sigurdsson Delph
Kean Walcott

I really want us to play more compact 4-4-2 diamond with attacking full-backs. I'd like to see what Sigurdsson can do from deeper as both he and Delph, and Schneiderlin for that matter can all play forward passes to the speed ahead of them. Then again Richarlison would want to do well tonight and DCL scored on the weekend so will probably start too. Who knows, l don't.

Pretty disappointing if we get knocked out tonight.

David Pearl
71 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:42:52
Everton to win, BTTS, 4+ corners each team and 20+ booking points each team @ 34.00

Does that not look a decent bet?
There's my tenner

Kieran Kinsella
72 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:46:01
Brian 69

It would be great if we gave them a real battering. I remember in 95, we hammered Norwich 5-0. That was an Everton team with problems and few goals in it. There is hope.

Mark Guglielmo
73 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:47:37
Brent @45, "Does anyone remember laughter?" – Robert Plant

Derek @47, you're welcome! If you are going to watch instead of listen, may I also suggest taking anti-anxiety meds before the match?

Brian Wilkinson
74 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:52:20
I think the Watford scoring might be the one to scuttle your bet Dave, I can see a comfortable win tonight, what are the odds of over 9 corners, Everton to win and over 2 goals?
Jay Harris
75 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:52:45
Enough has already been said about Silva; we need to concentrate on tonight's game as it would be nice for the new manager to pick up a trophy in his first season.

Although Watford are at the bottom they have not lost in 3 games now which is more than you can say for us. They have tightened up enormously and got to Wembley last year so it will not be an easy game.

It is a pity Bernard is unavailable as he would have been ideal to open up their defence.

Tom Davies has earned another runout and so has Calvert-Lewin and Holgate. I also believe we need 2 up top so I would bring Moise Kean in alongside Richarlison for 3 forwards that offer different strengths.

I can see a case for Delph and believe Gomes would be overrun with the pace of the game so would go for a midfield of Sigurdsson (better in the tackle than Iwobi but close), Davies and Delph.

Sidibe deserves to continue but I believe "Moments" will choose Seamus.

Im assuming Mina is not fit but if he is would partner him with Holgate and slot Digne in at left-back.

This is a must win game (aren't they all or should be) and will be tough so we need a strong side.


Neil Wood
76 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:57:49
Hey up, David... are you there tonight? I'm coming across with my brother and the kids!!! Hope it's not too cold for them. I could've done with your car park pass tonight – my back's gone! Ha.

Mark at 3 – that's the exact team I would have picked. Want to see a Kean brace tonight and feel it in the bones!

Brent Stephens
77 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:59:45
Mark #73, what about this:

"Light of my life - where have you gone?
Love's true flame dies without the warmth of your sun
Here comes a blue train rolling
Across my heart it crawls
The rain still falling down
Another day scares me"

Rob Halligan
78 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:02:59
This is a cup game, a one-off game, no extra time, no replay, straight to penalties if it's a draw after 90 minutes, and I doubt not many of us want that. So an attacking formation is required, a 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3.

We'll let Silva decide on which one, but quite simply there's no point in picking his usual 4-2-3-1 with 2 holding midfielders, just simply go out and attack with the strongest team, get a decent lead and then bring the subs on!!

Mark Guglielmo
79 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:05:59
Brent @77 brilliant! Even worked the "Blues" in there. Cheers, mate.

To echo Brian @69 (I think) yes we are. We all rejoice, and we all suffer together but I have to assume we all want our Club to do well.

Is it 7:45 (3:45 for me) yet?


Ajay Gopal
80 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:08:41
My team:

Sidibe Keane Holgate Baines
Davies Delph Baningime
Kean Iwobi Richarlison

I want the mid-field to considerably stiffen up, and I think Delph, Davies and Beni Baningime would provide the right combination of experience, youthful exuberance, energy and resilience to take the battle to the opposition.

Subs: Pickford, Coleman, Digne, Sigurdsson, Gomes, Calvert-Lewin, Gordon

Francis van Lierop
81 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:14:40
Just win the game please, then deal with the quarter final when it arises. [2]

Simon Smith
82 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:19:34

Nice to read a positive post. Anyone that doesn't want a win tonight can't be a proper blue in my eyes.
I would love us to finally win the lowly league cup, as football wise I've had nothing to celebrate in my entire adult life! I was 11 in 95. Not quite the same.
I've had to adopt F1 and rugby, but nothing is like Everton!

Kieran Kinsella
83 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:29:31

Unlucky. In my life we've won a trophy on average once every 8.4 years. Problem is, there was a point in time when my lifetime trophy average was once every 2.5 years.

John Hammond
84 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:32:50
Same team as weekend but Lossl in for Pickford, Richarlison moving to the left and Kean upfront.

Please no Sigurdsson.

Neil Wood
85 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:33:42
John I would take that
Christy Ring
86 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:42:58
If we're looking to win the match, he can't play sideways or backwards Schneiderlin, leave Siggy on the bench play 442 with DCL and Kean together upfront. Over for the game brought my good wife her first time at Goodison why should I suffer on my own. Had a chat with Ronny Goodlass at Everton 2 this morning
David Pearl
87 Posted 29/10/2019 at 15:46:09
Hello Neil, l will WhatsApp you.
Pat Kelly
88 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:25:16
I expect a home win tonight. Anything else is unthinkable. Silva finally has to take this competition seriously. His job is on the line. Having said that, any stronger opposition and we'd lose. Silva just doesn't have the tactical nous or leadership when it's needed and the players are shell-shocked by now.
Mark Guglielmo
89 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:34:20
Ajay @80 you want Iwobi playing center-forward? *scratches head*

As for the calls for Lossl that many have made, as much as I'm down on Pickford like others, I can't imagine his 1st game being in another must-win, this time in a tourney that may go to penalties.

You want to start him vs. Spurs, I'm fine with that.

Duncan McDine
90 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:38:41
I'm yet to call for Silva's head, but getting dumped out of the league cup tonight might just be enough to swing my vote. I'm hoping and believing that we'll get a good win tonight. COYB
Mark Burton
91 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:38:48
My heart says home win. My head reminds me that this is Everton.
I would love a win tonight but a new manager who is not afraid to kick butt among the players that couldn't give a rats are is required. Can't think of anyone who is available now. To many managers fired because of player attitude. I still say that pay should be performance related. All our players would be on the file.
Mark Burton
92 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:41:15
Predictive text. Should be arse and Dole
Fran Mitchell
93 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:53:36
Sigurdsson simply should not play.

Midfield - Iwobi, Davies and Delph - Gomes can't hack 2 games in a few days.
Attack - Richarlison, DCL, Kean. I'd stick Gordon on the bench - we need someone on Bernard's absence and he has been banging on the door - time to give him a chance.

If Mina is fit, him in for Keane. If not, get Gibson in there.

We have to win this game, but I still feel a 'what's the point' - Silva will never win anything with Everton - and why get our hope up only to get spanked in the semi or final.

John Keating
94 Posted 29/10/2019 at 16:57:51
Just slightly off topic - on the way soon too
Regarding Minas header against the Hammers
Just watched a Bundesliga game where VAR gave the goal. Anyway seems the refs in Germany have been told NOT to blow the whistle but to allow the move to play out then look at it
So many interpretations, however as much as I think VAR is ruining the game, that seems a bit better than our tossers interpretation
Jerome Shields
96 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:07:09
Everton badly need a cup run. Hopfully Everton will turn up tonight.
Kieran Kinsella
97 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:10:58
John 94

Not sure I agree. I remember during the world cup, there were various passages of play when refs did the same thing then after what seemed like an age, they stopped play and called it back. My issue with that is, imagine the uproar if a ref misses a handball for a pen at one end, then the other team go right down the other end and score. One minute you're celebrating, the next second your goal is scratched off and you've conceded a pen.

Personally, I think the technology isn't there yet and it takes too long for refs on video to make decisions during game play. If anything, limit replays to when the ball goes out of play as you have some time to play with before the game resumes.

Mark Guglielmo
98 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:19:55
John @94 spot on, mate. The top flight leagues use it properly, and 'don't blow the whistle' is the guideline. After all, players are essentially instructed to play to the whistle. No reason to stop if there's no whistle blown and this exists in every sport known to mankind. In Mina's case, not to beat a dead horse, he was actually in the act of heading the ball while the whistle blew! Anyways...

Kieran @97 interesting you brought up the World Cup as they employed the same disastrous tactic we've seen on display in the EPL. VAR can't work if it's not used properly. Ah well, someday, England, someday!

COYB, take it to Watford tonight.

John Keating
99 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:21:58
Totally agree
I am dead against VAR
I prefer the arguments after and excitement of seeing the ball hit the net not waiting and then being let down after a ball hair offside decision
It was just what the guy on Bein said. An attack on the goal, corner, whatever is to be played until cleared or scored without a whistle unless an obvious infringement
Kieran Kinsella
100 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:29:10

The problem would be though, when does the ref blow versus not blow. e.g. he sees what looks like a diabolical foul and blows. Replay shows it was an optical illusion and no contact. If he doesn't blow, and their is a real injury, he is allowing the player to lay waiting in need of possibly urgent treatment.

One example though of how VAR could create chaos would be the 1998 world cup. Sol Campbell scores, England players run off to celebrate, the BBC are still showing replays while the ref quietly disallows it and Argentina play on with half the England team celebrating at the corner flag. Argentina immediately scored. The replays showed Campbell's goal should have stood. If they had VAR and called play back, then presumably we scratch off the Argey goal? It would have been sweet justice after the 86 game but I imagine there would have been a riot.

John McFarlane Snr
101 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:33:08
Hi Mark [98] Re VAR you say, "Ah well someday, England, someday!" I'm about to leave home, to go to the match, and I say, "No way, England no way" I don't believe I'm alone in thinking this way.
Tom Bowers
102 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:38:49
It's a game in the Mickey Mouse cup that basically many clubs still don't take seriously unless they get to the semi-finals.
It has always been an opportunity to play the second-stringers or the youngsters from the under 21's..
However it is a game we would like to win and I am sure that it won't have any effect on the Silva situation win or lose.
The next couple of Prem. games will however be so crucial for the team and the manager
Brian Hennessy
103 Posted 29/10/2019 at 17:41:43
Hi John #101. I agree with you. I was all for VAR before it was introduced as I foolishly thought it would reduce the amount of incorrect decisions and allow more time to focus on the actual playing of the game.

It is actually worse now than before. Less time is now spent reflecting on a great pass, tackle, save or goal and now all we talk about is VAR.

I would love for it to be binned altogether.

Enjoy the game John.

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