Holgate: We're 100% behind the manager

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Mason Holgate has voiced his support for beleaguered Everton boss Marco Silva and cites the last two performances as evidence that things will improve under the Portuguese.

Holgate was the only change to the side that beat West Ham 2-0 at Goodison Park the Saturday before last, coming in for the injured Yerry Mina at Brighton, and he looked to have capped an impressive display with an assist for the winning goal when he played Dominic Calvert-Lewin in to put the Blues 2-1 up with 15 minutes to go.

Everton were rocked by a controversial decision on the advice of Video Assistant Referee, Lee Mason, that over-turned match official Andy Madley's initial inclination not to award the Seagulls a penalty for Michael Keane's accidental stamp on Aaron Connolly's foot. Neal Maupay converted the spot-kick and Brighton used the momentum from the equaliser to force a stoppage-time winner via Lucas Digne's unfortunate own goal.

The defeat, Everton's fourth in succession away from home this season — all to teams placed ninth or below in the current table — has put Silva's position back under scrutiny but, like Digne before him, Holgate insists that the players remain behind their manager.

“A 100%,” the defender said. “I think it shows by the last two performances we've put out.

“Last week we were all unbelievable, and then this week we were doing really well and then there's a decision in there that's just completely flipped the game on its head.

“We've not been happy with our results but I think the result last week lifted spirits.

“Like I said, there's a huge turning point in the game that when you've not got your luck, things like that happen.

“But we'll keep going, we'll get together again, we'll lift ourselves. We know we've got to be picking up more points away from home, it's obvious.”


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Franny Porter
1 Posted 28/10/2019 at 10:47:15
Not. Fucking. Interested.
Phil Greenough
2 Posted 28/10/2019 at 10:53:15
You just couldn't make it up, every week they roll someone out. Everton really do take us for idiots.
Pat Kelly
3 Posted 28/10/2019 at 10:55:00
Good to hear they're 100% behind him. They just need to give him a push and we'll all be rid of him.
Eddie Dunn
4 Posted 28/10/2019 at 10:59:58
So Mason, who can't take blame for any of the previous form is cynically wheeled out to back the regime.

Granted, we looked more likely to score in the first half but we failed to defend properly, lacked fitness and lost to a bang-average side.

Alan McGuffog
5 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:03:43
Did he mention anything about the new ground, by any chance?
James Marshall
6 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:05:48
Footballer mumbles something incoherent about "positivity" and being "100% behind the manager" shocker.

Same shite, different mouthpiece.

John Keating
7 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:14:32
Hopefully our lot, including Silva, will do a Southampton. They however, should give a weeks money to EitC and reimburse every one of the travelling support. They'd be skint this season!
John G Davies
8 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:14:57
"Dis manager is not worth a carrot. We are all against him, some of us hate him."

Is that what you would expect, lads?

Tony Marsh
9 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:21:12
Players are bound to back Silva as this manager expects so little from them. In return, Silva gets nothing from them. The whole club from top to bottom reeks of ineptitude and mediocrity.

I have said it previously that the rot starts at the top in any business. At our club, we have major problems with mindset and ambition that runs through the club like a dose of Dehli Belly.

Everything is just so wrong here, from the CEO – Little Ms Dynamite, the Darling of the Soup Kitchen – to the owner, both of them are equally clueless. From the horrible kit supplier to the kit sponsor, both are equally nasty. The pathetic acquisition of players. (We let Allardyce spend 㿞M on Tosun and Walcott knowing full well Sam was on his way out.) All we ever buy is better teams' cast-offs that aren't good enough elsewhere. What kind of model is that? When was the last time we unearthed a gem or bought a good player on the cheap? Liverpool do it constantly.

The now totally shamefull and embarrassing Goodison Park is lucky to get a safety certificate these days... and don't get me started on the shambles that is Bramley-Moore Dock. 2016 We announced that we are leaving Goodison Park 12 months after Spurs announced they were leaving White Hart Lane. Look at where both these clubs are at now! Pathetic, isn't it?

Kenwright is still calling the shots and his grubby mitts are all over decisions. Denise Barrett-Baxendale is a case in point... Rooney coming back, new deals for over-the-hill players, etc. It turns my stomach.

Those of you out there not living in the City of Liverpool don't realise the extent to which this bullshit is affecting supporters. Kids now are shunning their family ties and disregarding their fathers' wishes and refusing to support Everton. Why should they? It's embarrassing going to school and facing the social media society. I know many examples of this happening, including within my own family.

It's a sorry mess and we are in grave danger, the longer Kenwright and his stooges run things. Silva must go now if only to give the fans and squad a boost. If we are supposed to be 7th best team in English football, we need a manager of similar status. Silva isn't in the Top 50 managers in England – and that says it all really.

James Stewart
10 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:30:13
We are a laughing stock. Silva would have been out on his arse at any other self-respecting club long ago.
Paul A Smith
11 Posted 28/10/2019 at 11:50:03
I hope the club let ToffeeWebbers pick the next manager. Then he lets them pick the team and subs etc.

That is the only way fans will realise no manager is going to make us great. No Director of Football is going to buy the players fans need to see.

Jim Bennings
12 Posted 28/10/2019 at 12:00:48
I was expecting to hear Coleman or someone come out and say we are heading in the right direction, lol.
Mark Guglielmo
13 Posted 28/10/2019 at 12:08:32
Pat @3, LOL!

Paul @11, wouldn't that be something!

Paul A Smith
14 Posted 28/10/2019 at 12:45:53
Mark @13, it certainly would mate. It would be comedy to see how dumbstruck people became and replies of - it's not our job to do that, we are here to support the manager (which we never do).

Trust me, it would wake thousands up. The realisation would be revolutionary and everyone will know what is really required to take the club forward.

Moshiri's millions have been the biggest con and fools are still falling for it.

Tony J Williams
15 Posted 28/10/2019 at 12:50:11
Mason, you should have told the PR department to fuck off when your name got drawn out of the hat for a sound bite.
Christy Ring
17 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:08:44
He should be concentrating on his football. After losing five out of the last six Premier League matches, it's embarrassing, to say the least, talking about the positivity under Silva.
Tom Bowers
18 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:10:23
Everton have become a joke and many teams cannot wait to play them – even the crap coming up (Watford and Southampton).

I have never known a team to capitulate late on as Everton do in so many games. They need a strong leader both on and off the field and until that happens they will be a nothing team.

Players like Holgate should keep their mouth's shut about the manager as they are always trying to feather their own nests, much like Henderson does about Southgate!!

Richard Lyons
19 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:10:46
So he hasn't been sacked yet?
Derek Knox
20 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:21:01
Richard @ 19, no, but I believe it's in the post!
Martin Nicholls
21 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:27:50
If these jokers truly were "100% behind the manager", then each and every one of them would turn down the chance to go away with their country in the forthcoming International Break so as to work with him to help him secure his position – more importantly, to earn the money that Everton FC pays them. None will.

I've posted before that anyone who was still at Turf Moor after the final whistle will confirm that Silva has lost the fans. He did at least try to acknowledge the away support after that game - his efforts to get the players to back him in doing that were shamefully rebuffed by most. Based on that, they are clearly not "100% behind the manager". Silva should have gone immediately after that Burnley game.

Rob Marsh
22 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:28:12
Southampton players have donated their wages after last defeat, we had 4 straight defeats with no chance of such gesture from our big earners.
Martin Nicholls
23 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:30:54
Rob #22 – looks like a reasonable gesture until you read that the donation was only one day's wages. They could and should at least have donated a week's wages!
Jerome Shields
24 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:32:47
Another evertonfc. com wheel out. Hope he replaced Keane though.
Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:55:56
You leave yourself vulnerable to bad calls when you only do the minimum. We scored two goals, great. But, we needlessly conceded the first meaning we had no margin for error prior to the penalty call.

I wouldn't say we were "doing well" prior to that. We were against a really poor team yet every time they broke they had a clear run at our goal. This "blame the ref" pity party conveniently avoids discussions about our mistakes on the other two goals, profligate finishing, and lack of a midfield.

Rob Marsh
26 Posted 28/10/2019 at 13:59:12
Martin #23,

I reasonably presumed it was the week's wages, they're all self-serving scumbags come the end of the day.

Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:12:19
Martin @21,

I think you're mistaken and they probably are 100% behind him. Let's be real here. How many of these players would get in the Man City or Liverpool 11? Probably none.

It's unlikely they will win silverware here or anywhere. So if you're getting well paid, have a nice manager who is a soft touch and lets you get away with murder, why would you want him replaced with a hard ass since you're unlikely to win anything anyway.

Look at Chelsea? They win the league under Conte so from a fan's view you'd think the players would be happy. But no, they think he is too bossy so they get him fired and eventually see him replaced with a former player who lacks the experience or gravitas to berate them. Now they happily sit in 4th place with minimal expectations placed upon them and seemingly all is right in their world.

Simon Smith
28 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:16:05
Exactly what I predicted on the Bernard thread!

We are as predictable as we are shite! What a depressing position to be in.

Jay Harris
29 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:24:12
One of the problems I see is that we are buying other clubs rejects... so, if they haven't got the determination to get in the other clubs' plans, why should we think they've got the determination and mental character to succeed in ours?

The players we have bought who are not rejects are from relegation clubs so they also go in the same category.

And then, to top all that, we go for a relegation manager and wonder why we fold in so many games.

Jonathan Tasker
30 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:30:43
Later this week, they'll give an update on the new ground. I wonder if they'll explain why they haven't yet applied for planning permission.
Niall McIlhone
31 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:41:14
Agreed Kieran (27). Whilst I understood the sale of Gana was pretty much inevitable, I only now realize the value of that singular player.

We just don't have the guile or tenacity as a team and, with the exception of Coleman, we don't have anyone who remotely appears to be a leader by example on the pitch.

I had supported Silva, but I now think we are looking like serious relegation candidates. He must know his time is up. Benitez for me, sorry.

Paul A Smith
32 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:47:34
Jonathon 30. I never used to miss a game at home but no more of this muggery. They want extra cash from me but can't supply what I need to be entertained.

Once again, I have had to fall out with fans for seeing all this coming and predicting how awful this season would be. How come I knew? How did I see the signings as not good enough? Not sufficient enough?

It's been absolutely horrible watching admiration for Moshiri simply because he isn't Kenwright and can pull a bigger loan in. The team has been worse and worse since he came.

Kenwright's record buy was 㿈 million and biggest sale was also 㿈 million. And people love Moshiri for what??

Tearing us apart.

John Hughes
33 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:50:49
I kid you not. I went to my Walking Football session this morning and lined up with others to take the piss out of ‘Big Kev ‘, an avid Saints fan. As I neared, I heard him telling the throng, in a serious manner and I quote:-

“Problem is we've got City and Arsenal coming up soon away, the only positive is that we've got Everton at home in between “.

"Fuck me," I thought, as I slinked away sheepishly.

Sam Hoare
34 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:58:22
I believe that the players are behind him. And that they are all working very hard (unlike under Koeman!). But none of that matters really if the results don't start to show it.

Whilst there have been flaws in selection, substitutes and tactics, I do also believe we have been a tad unlucky at times (none more so than the ludicrous VAR).

This team (like most teams) badly needs some confidence and I'm hoping two home games might be the tonic; win both of those and we're in the last eight in the cup and mid-table above Tottenham. Lose them both and it may signal the end for Marco.

Jack Convery
35 Posted 28/10/2019 at 15:13:29
The staff have to be 100% behind you before you're stabbed in the back. Everton beating Man Utd was Moyes's last game in charge of them... it would be really ironic if Silva's last game was a defeat to Watford tomorrow night.
Mark Guglielmo
36 Posted 28/10/2019 at 15:42:01
Jay @29

"One of the problems I see is that we are buying other clubs' rejects so, if they haven't got the determination to get in the other clubs' plans, why should we think they've got the determination and mental character to succeed in ours?"

That's pretty unfair considering the pecking order at those clubs. No amount of "determination and mental character" is going to see Digne start over Jordi Alba, as one example. C'mon man.

Joe Parkinson
37 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:10:17
Having read hundreds of views and opinions over the last few weeks with regard to the utter dross served up by our non-playing footballers and inept management, I have to say, Take a bow, Tony Marsh (#9), Never have I agreed 100% with another ToffeeWebber

This Club clearly needs to clarify it's position in this city!!! Either is a professional Football Club, or a local charity!

This Club needs winners, not losers, or has-beens. We want success on the field, we want silverware, not accolades for being a charity... let's try singing that at matches, and see what response we get from other supporters!!!

My Club has become a fucking laughing stock, and there are supporters out there and on this site who seem to think that is acceptable, who live in a fantasy world, and dream of success just around the corner when Mr Silva gets it right!!

Dream on!! This man is taking us down, and yet some people stand by like the passengers on the Titanic, watching the band as it sank – and assume everything will be alright. Time for this prick to go!!!

Martin Nicholls
38 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:25:31
Kieran #27,

Fair points but, as I said, he's lost the (away) fans and the players singularly failed to back him post-match at Burnley.

They may feel comfortable but that failure plus abject performances during games suggest to me that they aren't sufficiently behind him to help him keep his job and thus for them to keep him as their boss.

Phillip Warrington
39 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:25:38
He's already got an excuse for a defeat against Watford, still suffering from the VAR decision.
Christopher Timmins
40 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:30:35
What is really disappointing with our recruitment over the past couple of years since Moyes left is the complete lack of character in the players we sign. Sigurdsson, Lukaku, Pickford, and Richarlison – to name but four of our more high-profile purchases – all lack the necessary character to play for our great club.

All of the above have ability but, when the going gets tough, would you want to bring any one of them with you to The Alamo?? We are a club full of weak-minded players who are ready to fall apart at the drop of a hat.

Gary Willock
41 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:33:42
I'm soooooo glad all the players are “100%” happy with being 4th from bottom after all the easier fixtures.

Fills me with such hope moving forwards.

FFS! 🤦‍♂️

Martin Nicholls
42 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:39:28
Joe#37 - Titanic analogy is spot on. I just can't understand how some of our fans glibly claim we won't be relegated "if only because there are at least three teams worse than us". It's true that there are in fact four below us in PL but :
(1) three of them have yet to play us and we haven't played the other (Watford) away from home yet, and,
(2) I haven't checked but would bet they haven't had as easy a run of fixtures as we have.
I just hope the hierarchy at our Club isn't as complacent as some fans and that they recognise the perilous position we're in.
Mike Gaynes
43 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:45:09
Christopher #40,"lack the necessary character to play for our great club"???

Pul-eeze. If my eyeballs roll any higher they'll fall out on the floor.

Martin Nicholls
44 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:50:49
Mike - I think Christopher's emphasis is on the word "club", not "team". This IS a great club, one of the greatest in England, and always will be despite the calibre of it's current employees.
Mark Guglielmo
45 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:51:02
Christopher @40, if I'm being honest, there isn't a single footballer playing in the EPL today I'd want next to me at the Alamo. Cheers.
Don Alexander
46 Posted 28/10/2019 at 16:59:39
It won't surprise anyone who reads me but Tony Marsh (#9) is bang on re the perfidious effect Kenwright has had on our club. He's imbued every level of the club with an acceptance of mediocrity from the many players and coaches who see right through him and are content to take the max whilst prolonging their very comfortable non-winning lives.

He doesn't even try to disguise his amateurishness. Terming DBB "little miss dynamite" is cringeworthy for a so-called top football club and today he's reportedly unsuccessfully offered his personal money to try to save plucky little Bury FC from oblivion. Well, if he didn't know what he was attempting to do was contrary to basic football law he shows himself to be incompetent to lead any club, never mind one of the biggest. On the other hand he's cynical enough to try to buy some more "Good Ol' Kenwright" publicity all the while safe in the knowledge that his, erm, "generosity" was never going to cost him a penny. Only a charlatan would do that though.

Only when he's totally disassociated with us can we start to re-build, if we get lucky with a manager and coaches.

Mike Gaynes
47 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:06:20
Martin #44, I wasn't eye-rolling at the mention of "great club", but rather the idea that the players we purchase somehow lack character. They may or may not be good enough, but if the qualification is an overt willingness to die for the badge, sorry, that's just ridiculous.
Paul A Smith
48 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:12:24
Christopher has a great point. Due dilligence (or dulligence as we know it) has stunk.

Mark its nowhere near as bad taking a Barca reject when its so hard to get into their team. Its awful buying struggling teams rejects though. Or buying the best from the bottom half.

Mark Burton
49 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:14:21
Expect an own goal from Holgate next game. The last person who backed the manager scored a late winner for Brighton.
Martin Nicholls
50 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:25:53
Mike#47 - sorry, misinterpreted your earlier post. I fully agree what you say here. I wouldn't expect any player to literally die for the badge (although I suspect some fans (and perhaps the late Dave Hickson) would!). I think we'd all agree though that a little character and pride in their performances wouldn't go amiss.
Harry Wallace
51 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:26:49
“ Last week we were all unbelievable, and then this week we were doing really well“

What cobblers. Last week was where our level should be at considering the money we've spent and caps between them. Really well at Brighton isn't accurate. And before those games we were utter shite. He either doesn't understand how bad we've been this season or it's a cliche he has been taught to say by media team.

Bobby Mallon
52 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:30:29
I'm so not looking forward to going the saints game
Bill Gall
53 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:33:44
Kieran #27 minimal expectations were given to Chelsea because, (a) they sold their best player who was also one of the leagues best players in E.Hazard and (B) they cant bring in any new players because of a transfer embargo. And if we were sitting in 4th position all would be rite in our world
Rob Marsh
55 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:47:18
Tony Marsh # 9

That's a bit unfair on Allardyce, he never spent the money on Tosun certainly and Walcott I'm not too sure.

It was our wonderful DoF at the time went out and bought Tosun. I remember Allardyce's thoughts on the aquisition, "We need a forward, he was the best for the price in this window", it was a Christmas window and Big Sam didn't seem to happy with what he was getting for Christmas.

I'm with you on everything else, especially Miss Dynamite. She's walked into a top flight club with no experience of ever running a specialist business like it. I've met her type before, they can gab and reassure, she won't rock the boat for those around her, I can see why she got the job.

This Moshiri / Brands / Kenwright setup is beginning to look very unhealthy for the club.

Moshiri chose Koeman and Silva, he hasn't go a F*****G clue, brand bought this Kid Kean for the future, there might not be one if we go on like we are, Brands should have bought a genuine goal threat. Kenwright, I really don't know what kind of influence has anymore.

Even if we do get a decent manager it won't be too long before he realises the problems the club has upstairs.

Tony, excellent post.

Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 28/10/2019 at 17:47:38
Mark #49, sometimes the most cynical view is all ya can manage, right? (Bitter laugh.)

Martin #50, certainly not, but Rom's 87 goals, Siggy's regular Prem top 10 in distance covered and Richarlison's still leading the club in tackles by a wide margin hardly bespeak a lack of character in my view.

Mark Guglielmo
57 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:04:15
Paul @48, that's exactly what I was saying, but how can we explain what Leicester is doing this year? They went out and got "stars" from smaller, or lesser clubs, all shrewd decisions, and look how they play as a team.

All Rodgers? Or better talent evaluation & scouting?

Martin Nicholls
58 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:11:48
Mike#56 - I don't dispute the ability of the three you quote but in my view none show/ed enough fight and dedication to the cause. I suppose we have different views on what constitutes character.
Lev Vellene
59 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:13:09
Yawn! Wake me up when the players are 100% behind the idea of performing for pride, the FANS and the badge, not for the manager or their banking accounts!
Mike Doyle
60 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:15:35
Jay 29] I'm not sure that buying players rejected by others is necessarily a problem. Mo Salah & Kevin De Brune we're regarded as Chelsea Rejects by some. Going back 30+ years I recall plenty of match-going blues being unimpressed by the purchase of (clearly past it) Andy Gray.
Part of the recruitment process should be to identify players who are looking to progress / have something to prove. LFC are currently great exponents of this - even the goalie they signed recently was deemed surplus to requirement at West Ham.
Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:16:36

"Distance covered" doesn't tell us a lot. Southall covered no ground lol. But seriously, while Sig puts in some running, he doesn't seem to put himself in useful positions to where he actually gets the ball. He does a lot of tracking back then he isn't in place to launch a counter attack.

Bill Watson
62 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:21:11
The players we have no more lack character, or have character, than the players at other clubs.

Our problem is we have a manager who consistently shows by his selections, formations and substitutions that he is totally out of his depth.

Everyone says he's a great coach. He may well be but he certainly isn't even a bang average manager. Colin Harvey was reputed to be a great coach and the brains behind Kendall but he wasn't a great manager. (Having said that we'd be overjoyed to be where his team was when he was sacked).

Given some of the woeful performances and capitulatons, just in this calander year, Silva would have been out on his ear at most Premier clubs. Why he is still here is worryingly baffling.

Stan Schofield
63 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:26:10
Leicester have been mentioned a few times. Since their 'freak' title win, they've been consistently midtable, comparable to us and in fact a bit lower. At the moment, they're having a good run of form. But they're still a mediocre, midtable club. Let's not start using the likes of them as positive comparators. We want to be consistently near and at the top, that's the goal. The goal isn't staying midtable. Comparing us unfavourably with Leicester is a tad lacking in ambition and perspective. And Rodgers has hardly got a great record, being sacked by the RS.
Mark Guglielmo
64 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:28:06
Agreed Kieran @61, distance run is about as useful a stat as number of throw-ins. Who cares if you run 42 miles if no one actually sees you run those miles.
Jay Harris
65 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:29:14
Mike and Mark G
I was not questioning the ability of the players merely their determination and mental fortitude.
Mark mentioned Digne who looked a world beater when he joined us. Would you honestly say the same about him now.
It seems to me that the only players who put a shift in when the chips are down are the local lads.Yet the so called world class high paid players go missing.
What is it they say “ when the going gets tough the tough get going”. Apply that to this squad and manager and then sit back in amazement.
Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:29:47
Martin, guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Kieran, true, it's pretty hard to track back and then put yourself in useful attacking positions at the same time. If Richarlison is leading us in tackles, he ain't gonna lead us in goals.

Joe McMahon
67 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:36:31
The Mantra of the past 30 years. It's painful.
Tom Bowers
68 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:38:46
Mason, One question lad. Will you all be right behind him when he is shown the door ? We all know the answer to that.
Silva came in on the back of no worthwhile credentials and quite honestly his record to date is no better than that of Martinez or Koeman and he is still here.
The man has brought in some players (even Kean) who he doesn't seem keen on now (excuse the pun) but after juggling his formation many times he has not been able to produce a team that can get the job done.
They go through the motions but have no steel when it matters and lacking a real driving force on the field who can galvanize them.
Another 2 struggling opponents coming up so we will see what happens.
Derek Knox
69 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:41:22
Bill @ 62, I too believe the players we have are neither inherently poor or out of form, but are clearly lacking confidence and self-belief.

While it could be argued that confidence and self belief should come from within, it can also be attributable to lack of faith in the Manager, and not having a clear remit.

I believe this is borne out by the almost weekly 'votes of support' by a rotation of players, which should have signalled his departure after the appalling run of results we have had.

Tomorrow night will tell us a lot about both the Manager in his selection, and about the seriousness in which he treats this Cup. I personally see it as a reasonable chance to at least progress to the next round with a bit of application, then who knows what the 'hat' will provide as potential next opponents.

Paul A Smith
70 Posted 28/10/2019 at 18:44:32
Mark 57 I think Leicesters luxury is they have bought the right ages from them clubs. They haven't had to do much with work and have bought players on the up so to speak.

I have nothing against signing Kean. I am prepared to wait 3 years to see the real player in him but to buy him as a main striker or without buying a readymade striker is absolute dire.

Its awful practice as a premier league club in the top half. Look at Man United Arsenal and Spurs, only Chelsea and Leicester have looked to take advantage of their situations and Wolves are better equipped to get results against them.

What have we done? Its as bad as its gets for me because larger amounts have been spent to see us go backwards and everyone puts faith and praise in men that have never had a solitary feeling for Everton.

Peter Neilson
71 Posted 28/10/2019 at 19:02:40
To be fair to Mason it was probably part of the deal getting back into the team. Lössl will be writing his own up tonight.
John Keating
72 Posted 28/10/2019 at 19:41:41
I always thought Tony Marsh a bit excessive - and don't agree with the new ground bit- however, I think his post at 9 is excellent
This Club under this manager is a basket case
We need someone asap just to steady the ship
Forget all this league cup shit and top 6 we just need to stop the rot.
Tony and others are quite right about our
It's all well and good us old arses moaning but the kids are taking such a battering I really could cry for them
Brian Wilkinson
73 Posted 28/10/2019 at 19:41:46
Paul@11, can I put myself forward for the job, settle for 5 grand a week.

I would whip these lazy set of barstewards into shape, be in at 9, first team talk would be guest appearance by Gray, Reid Southall and Van den Hauwe for good measure.

Headphones and mobile phones banned from the dressing room and a simple game plan delivered, defenders defend, midfielders hit anything that moves and forwards bust a gut to get into the box.

None of this marking space, you look for the player with the ball, if you see a team mate in danger, get in there to help out, anyone going down like a fairy with minimal contact gets the old bucket of ice cold water and sponge treatment.

If a decision goes against you, man up and try and put it right instead of self pitying.

I would make the game simple, none of this three pages of tactics on a writing pad.

Play the game to your strengths, get out there, win the ball, beat the player and move forward, none of this tippy tippy sideways and backwards shite.

You may be right Paul, but I am sure a few fellow Evertonians would at least give it a damn good go.

Stewart Lowe
74 Posted 28/10/2019 at 19:49:45
Crap shite we really are.
John Davies
75 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:03:00
Mason Holgate. “Like I said, there's a huge turning point in the game that when you've not got your luck, things like that happen".

How daft do you want to appear? Bless your heart.

Please just keep your trap zipped and start producing performances on the pitch that pick us up a few points. Otherwise we are headed for the Championship.

I'm totally fed up with reading the absolute drivel that these idiot players keep spouting. The more intelligent ones will keep their heads down.

Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:09:23
Jay #65, yes, I still think Digne's a top player. And I see 110% effort from him. He's just off top form right now, making mistakes on the ball. He'll straighten out.

Paul #73, and don't forget to have them train with wet leather balls to make them tougher.

Mike Gaynes
77 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:18:42
Paul #70, 3 years for Kean? I'll be that one and spot you two and a half. The kid is 19. And you may recall that Hazard, Sane and Firmino were all unproductive for their first half-seasons in the Prem. Everything I've seen from this kid says to me he's gonna be a star.

Meantime DCL has 5 in 5.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:19:25
Sorry, Brian, called ya Paul.
David Pearl
79 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:19:38
All we need is to hire in Martinez for a team talk before the Spurs game. You lot are phenomenal players, real diamonds. Now go out there, keep your shape and don't condede goals (okay 3 in the last 10 minutes is okay, but only if we are 4 up). Pass pass pass move as a team. This manager is making me crazy. He is so far out of his element. There should be an apprentice kind of show where you apply and anyone off the street can be offered the chance to manage a premiership team making millions a year... and yet fail to see the fucking obvious. How hard could it be? I mean really? Hire a defensive coach hire an attacking coach (that's if Big Dunc is back in Spain). Hire a psychologist. Bingo. 9-0
Christy Ring
80 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:21:18
Flying over in the morning for the game, bringing my good wife with me, why should I be the only one to suffer. Will be in the Winslow for a pint before the game, If any of you guys are in, I'll be wearing the jersey with Ring 11 on the back, my cousin Tommy Ring's number.
Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:26:29
David Pearl 79

Don't joke. Martinez was in the news yesterday saying he has "unfinished business with Everton" and is insisting he could still make a success of it. He will have to get in line with Moyes who last week said he is "close to the club," when asked about returning. No news on Mike Walker or Gordon Lee yet.

Mark Guglielmo
82 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:38:27
Jay @65, I was primarily replying to you calling them rejects. They weren't and that isn't fair. They were talented youngsters who couldn't break into deep sides at some of the biggest clubs.

As for mental determination/fortitude, some do, some don't. I can't recall players like Digne ever giving up. Same goes for most of our newer guys. The older, pre-Brands players? They give up before the matches begin.

To me, your observation that the players don't have it isn't wrong, you just picked the wrong players.

Laurie Hartley
83 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:48:46
Tony # 9 - you have said it all.

As an Evertonian that lives 12,000 miles away, but was brought up to be a rabid blue by my dad, I cannot imagine the misery fans like you are suffering at this time. You deserve much, much better than what you are being dished up.

This club needs someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck and shake it very hard.

David Pearl
85 Posted 28/10/2019 at 20:57:08
Didn't Gordon Lee buy Graeme Sharp? I first saw Everton with Billy Bingham as manager though l was young. Sharp was one of my favourites... until he stamped on my ancle during a charity game about 15 years ago. I tried to flick the ball over his head. (He didn't like it).
Brian Wilkinson
86 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:02:29
David@85 yes Lee did sign Sharp, he also wanted to sign Ian Rush but the board would only allow 1 of the two signings, so he bought Sharp.
Jason Broome
87 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:02:48
Any player willing to get behind being 16th out of 20 is a disgrace! Where's the anger, ambition, hunger?

How many more players are going to give the manager the dreaded vote of confidence before Moshiri admits that he was wrong?

Moshiri grows weaker, inept and more clueless by the week.

Kieran Kinsella
88 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:06:31

He did. I think of Lee as a Moyesy type. Breathe of fresh air at first but he seemed to stagnate and have a glass ceiling mentality. Still better than most we've had though.

Brian Wilkinson
89 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:07:19
Here's a snippet from the Gordon Lee interview.

I remember at Everton I was looking for a second striker to play with Bob Latchford, and I went to watch Chester Reserves and a young boy called Ian Rush playing as an attacking midfielder.

"The next night, I was at Dumbarton and saw a raw striker called Graeme Sharpe. I went back to the chairman and told him that, paired together, they could be one of the most exciting partnerships in English football.

"Chester wanted £300,000 for Rush, so I signed Graeme for £80,000 because the board said I couldn't have them both.

David Pearl
90 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:07:58

Wow, l didn't know that. As much as l loved Sharpie (and its weird saying that. Maybe its an age thing but the last player l really looked forwards to seeing was Arteta). Maybe we got the wrong man!

Kieran Kinsella
91 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:11:43
David 90,


Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:16:57
IF we beat Watford which is unlikely given our form, and the various grudges (Delofeu v us, Heeney versus Silva, the Watford coach wanting to prove a point about silva who replaced him last time he was sacked, Steve Sherwood versus Andy Gray, Z-cars being abolished etc) I have this horrible feeling the joy will be short lived

And the draw for the quarter finals:
Crawley will play Liverpool
Oxford will play Aston Villa
The winners of these two ties will meet in the semi final. Meanwhile the other semi final will feature the winners of
Chelsea versus Leicester
and Man City versus Everton.
The Man City Everton game will be trialing a new VAR system that only affects decisions which could go against Everton. Collina will referee with Clattenburg and Clive Thomas on the sidelines.

David Pearl
93 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:18:35
Well Just going by the 25 goals he scored against us. Plus the one for Newcastle at the Gwladys Street end while l was on a first date.
Kieran Kinsella
94 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:19:27

Was that one in the FA cup?

Jamie Crowley
95 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:24:11
Kieran @ 92 -

If we beat Watford? Haha.

Of course we will bet Watford. A game we should win, and it'll stay the hand of the axe-slayer for Marco.

The following game we will lose.

Rinse and repeat, and on and on it goes.

David Pearl
96 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:26:08
Yes 1-0 l think. Scrappy goal.
I wouldn't trade him because of that goal at Anfield or the goal against Spurs. They live long in the memory.
Jamie Crowley
97 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:26:52
Kieran -

You also forgot to mention with your Ref lineup that Lee Mason will be in the VAR booth.

David Pearl
98 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:32:19

You won't see a better one than that.

Paul Birmingham
99 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:33:29
Kieran, that sums it up, and let's hope this week, see us beat Watford and get a decent home draw v Crawley!

Its a Biblical scale the demise of EFC and consistent crap officials giving crooked descisions for decades plus now VAR.

The curse of Old Nick, and they get away with everything would go against other teams.

You make your own luck, and I fear this rot is terminal, unless some serious recovery plan is launched as for me football and what it means and this Everton squad, have forgotten their purpose and meaning, and their confidence is eroded to shreds.

Tomorrow we shall see what happens.

David Pearl
100 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:33:37
You don't foresee a 29 game unbeaten run?
Jack Convery
101 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:45:19
IF EFC was a person he or she would be certified and booked into a Sanatorium for a long long time. The Drs would be mystified at his / her claims to being one of the best in England. Claims of having a fabulous new home too, worth millions and the envy of all. "Come this way they would say and we will make you comfortable!" He / She would be diagnosed as a lunatic with delusions of grandeur.
Jack Convery
102 Posted 28/10/2019 at 21:48:23
Keiron you forgot Lee Mason in the VAR studio studying action in the EFC penalty area, taking advice from Dermott Gallagher.
Jay Harris
103 Posted 28/10/2019 at 22:11:16
I think we will beat Waford tomorrow because the only games weve won this season against top tier teams have been against teams starting with a W.

It the next round we need to worry about because there wont be any teams starting with a W.

David Pearl
104 Posted 28/10/2019 at 22:28:36
Best logic I've read this evening. I have Burton to beat Leicester and us to beat Watford in a double. It's more likely Everton let me down. As they did at the weekend when l had newscast and arsenal to draw in a treble. That's worrying for me, l always used to know or have a feeling when we'd be winning. Not any more.
Brian Wilkinson
105 Posted 28/10/2019 at 22:34:02
See what you can get on over 9 corners, Everton to win and over 2 goals, that could be worth a punt Dave.
Mike Doyle
106 Posted 28/10/2019 at 22:46:59
Brian 73] How we could do with a Pat Van den Hauwe in our ranks at present. I suspect he'd have no problem pointing out a few home truths in the dressing room.
Do people like Pat, Reid & Gray even exist in the modern game?
Martin Mason
107 Posted 28/10/2019 at 23:34:58
Mason, don't be a puppet for the EFC establishment.
Phil Greenough
108 Posted 28/10/2019 at 23:48:00
Mike, verbal and physical abuse, does not figure in man management any more. If you try that shit on multi millionaires, they're on the phone to their agents and they suddenly develop long lost strains of the Asian flu. You cannot bully players, like what went on with Alex Ferguson and flying hair dryers.
Derek Thomas
109 Posted 28/10/2019 at 23:48:39
Didn't a former CEO resign after 6 or 7 weeks. Wyeness his successor, didn't cover himself with glory and when he left...wasn't there some sort of midnight dash to Green's ( VERY slim shady that bloke) yacht in the Med... He was tied up in so many none disclosure agreements he looked like a BDSM poster boy...why? Something smells over in the peoples repubic of Walton, has done for years and its not the remnants left over police horse shit.
John Reynolds
110 Posted 28/10/2019 at 23:48:40
Kieran 81, “No news on Mike Walker or Gordon Lee yet” 😂

David 85, You got what you deserved.

Christy 80, I planned to go over tomorrow but no Tuesday flights from Knock this time of year. Might be a blessing in disguise. Hope you bring “the luck of the Irish”.

Sharpie was better than Ian Rush. I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

David Pearl
111 Posted 28/10/2019 at 23:50:55
Everton to score 2+ goals, 5+ Everton corners and 20+ Watford booking pts
That's not a bad bet but only 4/1
Hard to predict any Everton outcome but should be feisty game.
Bobby Thomas
112 Posted 29/10/2019 at 00:16:02
I see that The Ghoul is back at #9.
John Pierce
113 Posted 29/10/2019 at 00:46:27
David/Kieran. That big red nosed piece of shit Rush. I was right by the post front row of the GS when he scored for Newcastle in the cup. I'm not prone to abusing players but I gave him dogs abuse, maybe it was because we were so shite. How times have changed.
Nicholas Ryan
114 Posted 29/10/2019 at 01:50:31
I can't wait, for the first player to give an interview, saying: 'we're 72% behind the manager'!
Alan J Thompson
115 Posted 29/10/2019 at 04:55:09
Now come on,lads, let's not be so hard on young Mason as he wasn't first choice. They first wanted either Sidibe or young Kean to do this but both had the sense to say, "No speeky da eengleesh" which, apparently, Mr Silva perfectly understood so excused them.
Jonathan Tasker
116 Posted 29/10/2019 at 06:58:12
Don Alexander 46

Absolutely brilliant

Spot on with his total destruction of Kenwright

At this very moment the job description for the new manager is being written

It includes the phrase “Duncan Ferguson local legend will form a key part of your coaching team”

Brian Porter
117 Posted 29/10/2019 at 07:19:19
Just look at Cbee, a new inexperienced manager, but one who always presents a smiling, upbeat demeanour to the world. His players seem willing to run through a brick wall for him, and he is heavily relying on youth in his set up.
Contrast Lampard with Silva.
Dour, po-faced, miserable in his demeanour and his body language. Would you want to run through a brick wall for our inept and misery guts manager? I wouldn't run through cotton wool for the man. Youth? He's signed Moise Kean, a lad with more experience than most of the young players at Chelsea who have been given their chance at Chelsea buy Mr Know it all Silva won't give the lad a run of games to get up to speed.
Why is he still here? Most other clubs would have sacked him after the Burnley game if not before. We are in serious danger of being sucked into the relegation dogfight. How many more defeats is it going to take for Moshiri to wake up and do what we all know, needs to be done?
David McMullen
118 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:24:53
Not having a go at Holgate but it's becoming tedeous and predictable. Do your talking on the pitch.

Bottom line is, 6 defeats in 10 is getting pretty damn close to getting any manager at any club sacked.

Lucky for Silva that we are (still) in the cup and are (just) 3 points from 7th and 6 from 5th. Season can be turned around.

Paul Jeronovich
119 Posted 29/10/2019 at 08:27:51
Silva out
Brian Porter
120 Posted 29/10/2019 at 09:03:27
My previous post should have started... Look at Chelsea
Roman Sidey
121 Posted 29/10/2019 at 10:19:03
Just another generic piece of bullshit from a player who will carve out a career in the Football League if he's lucky.

It's one thing for fans to blame a poor decision for a loss, but for a player to do it just screams out a lack of professionalism.

I've coached local club rugby and if a player even mentioned a ref's decision at training I'd be ripping strips off him. This clown has said it to the national press! Just words of a loser.

Alan J Thompson
122 Posted 29/10/2019 at 13:56:57
Roman (#121),

There's only one clown if you actually think that Holgate said any of this. Has it not occurred to you that no player has had consecutive opinions posted?

All it points to is that which the club is worried about which is almost exclusively in defence of the Manager, his tactics and why we didn't win the last match.

Kieran Kinsella
123 Posted 29/10/2019 at 14:02:15

I wasn't at the game but vividly remember it on TV. I had this sickening feeling Rush would score despite being well past it. I am pretty sure Dalglish was their manager at the time just to compound the misery.

Roman Sidey
124 Posted 29/10/2019 at 22:12:58
Alan, I'm convinced that the players are on somewhat of a production line when it comes to these interviews/pressers, but I do think the words are their own. Yes, they're probably told when they get to work, "Mason, you're up. We need you to sprout some shit about how you're behind the manager," but I do think they do say the stuff.

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