How Everton came to be a club forever yearning for a new dawn

Friday, 27 September, 2019 34comments  |  Jump to last

How Everton would love to emulate their rivals this weekend, a Manchester City side that have shed their status as the second team in town and leapfrogged United on the pitch and in terms of trophies and glory.

Tony Evans summarizes Everton's current plight as the Champions visit Goodison Park this weekend.

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Phil Gardner
1 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:05:49
Lyndon and Michael...delete this rubbish. Evans is a rabid kopshite who regularly spews anti-Everton garbage in the national media. Why you have the clown's opinions published on this site is beyond me...
Brian Harrison
2 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:18:55

I totally agree, why publish an article by someone is so avertly the opposite to those of us who support the Blues. Obviously still rankles with him the joy we showed when we stopped his beloved Reds getting the 3 points at Goodison and thus preventing them from winning the league.

They call us bitter, but they hate every club in the Sky 6 except Arsenal and the reason for that is Arsenal are no threat to them. Were we quite naturally just dislike our neighbours.

But we have to ask the question with an owner who has poured in 𧹺 million since taking over why have we regressed.

David Pearl
3 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:22:03
not that what he has to say isn't mainly true. Brands has mixed up his recruitment with players that can contribute now with players that will need a couple years to improve enough to propel us forwards. Unfortunately its those players that are in key positions, like goal scoring. Even so, Silva does not know his best 11, cant change his formation and is relying on his players to dig it out.
This game will be the best test of both players abiltiy and mental strength and what we need at this point in the season. If we show something it could kick start our season. If not... well there's always next week!
Steve Ferns
4 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:23:45
The article is so obviously written by a kopite. It's the most biased piece of journalism I've read in a broadsheet. Sure, there's a modicum of truth to it, but there's supposition and conjecture spun as truth. I expect better from the independent.
Phil Gardner
5 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:36:16
This goon is given national exposure and his ‘articles' are published in many broadsheets. He regularly ‘contributes' to Talksport and I actually cringe when he talks. He is inarticulate, unintelligent and clearly semi-literate at best. He is symbolic of all that is wrong with modern journalism and I am astounded that his opinions are given any kind of validity. The man is stealing a living and I'd rather not see his gobshitery aired on an Evertonian website...(standing by for a bollocking M&L!)
Tony Hill
6 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:46:07
I've mentioned this piece somewhere else. I think the article is broadly accurate and we should use it as a spur. He is only saying what many on here are saying.
I don't like Evans but I think he's setting out a widely held external perception of the club.

We need to ensure that he's proved wrong over time.

Tony Abrahams
7 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:05:09
Agree with Steve, a red man trying to put the cat amongst the pigeons before tomorrow's game.

The most concerning thing is Bramley Moore, because I was getting told off a very good source that Everton have been looking at new sites in Speke... this is very concerning news for me at the minute

Dave Abrahams
8 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:05:22
Tony (6) It looks to me like an article about Everton for Liverpudlians, they will certainly relish it.
Jay Wood

9 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:10:27
Whilst this is a rather flaccid and rote article, lacking in imagination and with no deep or new insight into Everton recent's history, I personally don't take any offence from it as others evidently do.

He's not going to pick up any industry gongs or awards for the piece, but in broad brush strokes he describes Everton's plight with a legitimate comparison to Manchester's 'second club' and how they leapfrogged United to be #1 in their city.

The only contestable paragraph I read was this:

"Silva lacks the confidence of his players. The manager is exposed and before the Carabao Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday the Portuguese used phrases like “no one can hide” and “take responsibility.” These are the sort of words that signal serious division in the dressing room."

That is extremely speculative and his final sentence is an absurd conclusion to leap to.

The rest, as unpalatable as it reads for some, is (IMO) a fair and reasonable summation of our last decade compared to the rise of City.

Alan McGuffog
10 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:25:24
Tony I have been as cynical as the next man about BM. If, as you say, we may have been looking at sites in Speke then all credibility with this club will evaporate. We will, truly, be a laughing stock.
Tony Abrahams
11 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:26:40
Anyone who knows anything about Liverpidlians knows exactly what this article is about Dave, and yet we still have people who yearn for David Moyes back, when plucky little Everton knew their fucking place.

I'm not sure on Silva right now, but I am sure that it wasn't Steve Walsh, who assembled Leicester's title winning team, but him and Koeman, definitely put Everton back at least three years, and this is why I hope Evertonians read this properly, and give the people in-charge a bit longer, even if they didn't want Silva in the first place.

My good source is a red, he could be at the wind-up, but he was saying that a certain reporter who works for the independent has been saying Everton have been looking at sites in Speke, which has nearly made me puke as much as that Liverpudlians article, hopefully it's the same journalist spouting the shite, or my mate is just taking the piss.

Let's hope Everton win tomorrow, and let's hope Liverpool, also come unstuck, a big price for the double, very unlikely to happen, but why do them bastards suddenly want Everton to win!?

Tony Hill
12 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:29:42
Probably right, Dave@8. As I say, I find Evans a Red bore but we should be under no illusion that he is reflecting a wider view of us as well.

Jay @9, I hope you're right and he's wrong about the players' (or some players') attitude to Silva.

Tony Abrahams
13 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:35:52
Alan, I'm on the other side of the fence, and know for a fact that Everton, have spent a considerable amount of money in the dock area already. I also think this is why Moshiri has come to Everton, and he's had his well thought out plans for a long time, so hopefully this is just a very bad rumour, off someone who was on the wind-up.
Alan McGuffog
14 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:54:46
I'm sure you're right Tony. It's just that I still have nightmares about Gillmoss 😬
Tony Abrahams
15 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:55:43
You can't argue with some things, but everyone in the red media has got an opinion on Everton right now, and when you look at tomorrow's fixture list, it's very easy to see why.
Eric Paul
16 Posted 27/09/2019 at 15:59:15
I stopped reading when the twat implied we'd live with a defeat as it could stop the shite winning the league, a defeat is a defeat regardless of the opponent and they all hurt the same.
Dave Abrahams
17 Posted 27/09/2019 at 17:17:31
Tony (15), and loads of Red fans, sensible ones who go to the match, are asking questions about Bramley-Moore Dock — are we doing the right thing? Is it possible, the area doesn't look big enough? Gillmoss was a better option, can we afford it?

As if they fuckin' care, they are terrified we are going to move there for the simple reason when we do we will have a much better chance of improving as a club and a team, nothing guaranteed, but the odds of improving are greatly increased.

Dave Williams
18 Posted 27/09/2019 at 17:34:30
I always thought that Moshiri moving into the Liver building was a good indication that BM would happen. Reds are jealous as hell of our plans as BM will give us something they can only dream of, having shelved their plans in Stanley Park for the patching up of Anfield. The location gives us so much pulling power with tourists and corporate business and they will say anything to sow seeds of doubt.
Rob Halligan
19 Posted 27/09/2019 at 17:51:02
Interesting piece in the red echo about Everton clearing eight charges, all in one go, with Companies House

Stan Schofield
20 Posted 27/09/2019 at 18:03:58
I get far more insights about (football generally and Everton particularly) from reading ToffeeWeb than I've ever done from reading journalists, especially from journalists who pump out shite like this one.
Brent Stephens
21 Posted 27/09/2019 at 18:13:07
I've only just seen that the red bid to trademark the name “Liverpool” has been defeated. Excellent.
Trevor Peers
22 Posted 27/09/2019 at 19:03:00
Usual red nose tactics here, don't rise to the bait that's what they want a favourable reaction when we play City, that helps thier cause. Thier record of winning trophies recently has been as bad as ours apart from last season.

Whatever state we are in, it is in our hands now to put it right. We have missed the boat in so many ways when Kenwright failed to sell the club at the right time, because his first condition for a sale was always he had to be chairman. What a clown.

We can only put our faith in Moshiri and hope the 'project' is a success, to be fair he's pumped a lot of money into Everton. Then again he's made a lot of mistakes with his managerial appointments and subsequent player signings. Keep the faith and hope we win some Silva ware, and I'm Silva's harshest critic, but a cup win would make him a hero.

Mick Conalty
23 Posted 27/09/2019 at 20:23:39
If I remember right, he was football columnist at The Times. He has a real thick Scouse accent. Love to know how he got that gig. Wouldn't have thought he'd get past the interview. RS Git.
Mick Conalty
24 Posted 27/09/2019 at 20:34:12
#23 O'er... that should be 'past' not 'passed'. Tony Evans spell check.
Rob Halligan
25 Posted 27/09/2019 at 20:40:53
Mick, # 23. I hope you're not insinuating that just because this journalist has a thick Scouse accent he should not be considered for a job with the Times?
Paul Birmingham
26 Posted 27/09/2019 at 22:05:58
This is time honoured RS media, working the head, and as usual there's a lot at stake.

Apparently in the media, they have stated they have taken their place back on their horse.

Regardless, there's never been a more devious, spawny team, who've had the luck of a 1000 years across the last 5 decades.

I'll not extend the narrative as it's legendary.

Forget the RS, their luck will run dry, and they will self implode.

The two spawny free kicks, last week at Chelsea, show the despicable extremes of VAR.

Value Add Results for the RS, and SFA, for us and most of the other teams pushing fora challenge this season.

Forget Peps, nice words, he's the best coach, tomorrow let's give them hell, on the pitch.

It's about time we done a good job on he pitch. 97 minutes and full effort, and no less can be accepted, if the coaching staff, are serious, about this season.

Rob Marsh
27 Posted 27/09/2019 at 22:23:22
The authors style certainly has hint of condescension about it, but he's not a whole lot wrong with what he's said.

This is life as an Evertonian, the truth sometimes hurts.

RS media? He's shooting from the hip on how he sees us.

David Midgley
28 Posted 27/09/2019 at 23:42:27
"A new dawn?"

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"

Paul Birmingham
29 Posted 27/09/2019 at 23:56:28
Rob, your spot on, and with due parlez, and as you say it as it is, we have basically lived and now endure a living night mare with the RS, for the last 35 years, bar 1995. That was a Hayley's Comet moment for Evertonians in the last quarter-century. That's how bad it is.

Tomorrow, we hope that the team puts in a shift. Has Everton become scared of its own Shadow? I don't think so, the sole bearers of the club through era and eternity are the Evertonians, but tomorrow, after Tuesday, it's the time to put Man City into a place where they haven't been since we did them 4-0, and to date, in all competitions, Pep's worst aggregate defeat.

If it's the case, still, 3½ years on, then, that's a kind of solid teamness we lost sight of a long a time ago, when technology was different. The trains were different and life was different.

Now for Tomorrow and not Yesterday. Surely tomorrow Everton will play like the very good yesterdays?

Rob Marsh
30 Posted 28/09/2019 at 00:49:57
Paul # 29

I'm liking your optimism, I just hope at least a few of our more important players are feeling the same way.

Win, lose or draw the Man City game, the more important one (for Silva) is the Burnley one and that's the one most will judge him on. I think a solid performance and win against Burnley will do much more for morale than a win against City at home.

We're always going to get up for City, but for Burnley?

Jerome Shields
31 Posted 28/09/2019 at 10:16:25
Not going to read the article, having read the posts. Do need that in my life
Rob Dolby
32 Posted 29/09/2019 at 11:15:07
Mick 23,

Can you explain your comment about accents?

He is a football correspondent for The Times in the 21st Century — no idea what his accent has to do with anything.

Derek Taylor
33 Posted 30/09/2019 at 10:09:28
Evans was, until fairly recently, Football Editor of The Times. He is a dyed in the wool Liverpudlian and was a key figure in the Spirit of Shankly movement in the days of RS' oppression' under the ownership of Gillick and Hicks.

Recently, Evans has concentrated on authorship of books about Liverpool as a community as well as LFC. The latest is entitled 'Make the People Happy - An Intimate History of Liverpool FC.' Previous titles include 'Two Tribes: Liverpool, Everton and a City on the Brink'.

He describes himself as a Writer, Radical, Scouse Separatist, Football drinker and Beer Hooligan.

I've followed his work from his early days and just wish he had been an Evertonian!

Simon Dalzell
34 Posted 03/10/2019 at 23:27:33
I have no previous knowledge or preconceptions about the author. I would say he has just about nailed it. I don't really understand the general feeling that it is biased and unfair.

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