Fast start propels Everton into the last 16

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Sheffield Wednesday 0 - 2 Everton

Dominic Calvert-Lewin scored twice in the opening 10 minutes and could have had a first-half hat-trick as Everton won fairly comfortably at Hillsborough

Everton eased the pressure on their shoulders from their faltering league campaign with a solid victory at Hillsborough that booked their place in the fourth round of the Carabao Cup.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin struck twice inside the first 10 minutes to put the Blues into a lead they held to the final whistle despite a couple of scares from dead-ball situations from which Sheffield Wednesday will feel they should have profited.

The result will come as huge relief to manager Marco Silva whose position has been under scrutiny once more in the wake of three defeats in four Premier League games.

The Portuguese made five changes to the line-up, bringing in Calvert-Lewin, Alex Iwobi, Tom Davies, Mason Holgate and Djibril Sidibé for Moise Kean, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Morgan Schneiderlin, Michael Keane and Seamus Coleman.

Having conceded in the first minute at Lincoln in the previous round, Everton almost shot themselves foot early again when Davies gave the ball away in a dangerous area but he was bailed out by his goalkeeper, Jordan Pickford making a vital save from Sam Winnall.

The Blues were ahead a few minutes later, though. Sidibé galloped into space down the right and he picked out Calvert-Lewin with a brilliant cross where the young striker controlled and rifled home in off the underside of the crossbar.

It was 2-0 in short order with just 10 minutes on the clock. Bernard and Iwobi combined and the Nigerian's centre off the Brazilian's lovely disguised pass found Calvert-Lewin who slid in to steer it home.

Lucas Digne, skipper for the night, then won a corner on the left but Richarlison put his header wide and the Frenchman almost set Calvert-Lewin up for his hat-trick but his free-kick delivery was just too far ahead of him.

The Toffees' vulnerabilities from corners resurfaced midway through the first-half after a mix-up between Mina and Pickford but Dominic Iorfa missed with a free header that should have halved the home side's deficit.

Then Pickford had to save from Adam Reach and Luongo drove a shot narrowly wide as Wednesday started to get a foothold in the game.

Calvert-Lewin had his third on a plate after Delph fed Richarlison following a driving run but he headed too close to Cameron Dawson who pushed his header behind well and the striker almost had another chance from the resulting corner but Sheffield escaped.

Everton made a quiet start to the second half and when Delph gave the ball away cheaply 10 minutes in, Winnall was in but chose the wrong option and passed up a gilt-edged chance for the home team.

Another set-piece and another free header was squandered by Winnall from the edge of the six-yard box with 62 minutes on the clock as Everton's weak dead-ball defending threatened to be their undoing once more.

Silva took Richarlison off with 23 minutes left and introduced Theo Walcott but it was Sidibé who tried to trouble Dawson but he couldn't keep his effort on target.

Bernard then made way for Sigurdsson with a quarter of an hour to go and the Icelandic international quickly seized on a bad pass but Calvert-Lewin couldn't capitalise on his ball into the box.

At the other end, Reach unloaded an impressive shot that whistled past Pickford's goal as Wednesday tried to find a way back into the game with five minutes left and Digne went close at the other end but his shot deflected behind.

Though new Wednesday boss Garry Monk made a slew of changes to his team, Everton could only have beaten what was in front of them and in that respect it was job done despite a largely uninspiring second-half display.

The match will have been especially sweet for Calvert-Lewin who has now started three League Cup ties for the Toffees and grabbed a brace in each of them.

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Dave Williams
1 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:55:48
Pretty much what I wanted to see. If he can motivate them properly we should win with this selection.
Kevin Prytherch
2 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:08:13
Why is he still persisting with 4-2-3-1?

It's like for like and in danger of ending up with the same problems. I hope that Davies offers something different in midfield, who will be in the famed number 10 role?

Annika Herbert
3 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:17:03
It would have been nice to see some of the youngsters on the bench, players like Gordon, Gibson etc. But I like the look of that team. Lets hope they can do the business for us. It would be nice to see a fast, flowing, attacking performace too.
Steve Ferns
4 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:24:23
Gibson is injured.
Michael Lynch
5 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:24:46
Yeah - same formation, slightly different personnel. Clearly thinks there's nothing wrong with the style of football or the way we set up. Let's hope swapping Iwobi for Siggi changes everything eh?
Steve Ferns
6 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:25:25
Agreed Dave.
Neil Lawson
7 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:28:01
I wonder just how much of this team selection has been influenced by fan comment and pressure. If it succeeds he claims credit. If it fails he takes more flak but will hide behind the inadequacies of the replacements.
I think our Marco is very well aware of what is written and is reacting. Fingers crossed that this team does do the business.
Bill Gienapp
8 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:32:23
Like the look of this lineup. I know Iwobi plays centrally for Nigeria and a lot of people think it suits him better. I guess we'll see.
Tony Williams
9 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:33:19
Can I stream it anywhere?
Tony Everan
10 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:39:05
It is a positive line up , I am happy with it.

This team will generate chances, we will have to bury a couple at least.

I will be interested to see how Delph and Tom Davies play together, to see if they can gel. I want to see a mature and disciplined performance from Tom, he is a player I would like to be a regular starter for us, but he has to prove his worth on nights like this to elevate himself.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:42:31
Neil, no manager anywhere will read forums like this. When things are going well, you're head will swell because you're never as good as the fans make out. When things go bad, like now, you'd be suicidal after reading the comments.

The changes are obvious.
Coleman has struggled, why not give the World Cup winner a game in the lesser cup?
holgate has yet to start, we lack pace, so why not give him a game?
Sigurdsson needs a rest, why not give Iwobi there.
Calvert-Lewin scored last time out, Kean struggled so that's a no brainier.
As for Davies, he needs a game, so why not this one. We don't need schneiderlin for this one.

Annika Herbert
12 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:45:50
Steve@4, thanks for that, I didn't realise he was injured.
Christy Ring
13 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:47:41
I hope Davies plays well tonight, and plays box to box, I believe Silva only has him on because of the fans opinions. Would have liked to see DCL/Kean together, but a more offensive lineup.
Jay Wood

14 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:12:02
EXCELLENT goal for the first. Nice dinked cross by Sidibe to DCL, top control and stonking finish. Not a bad finish for someone who shoots like an 8-year-old girl. See it here:


Nice run and disguised pass from Bernard into Iwobi, good pull back into the 6 yard box for a sliding tap-in for DCL. See it here:


Gary Carter
15 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:19:38
Always makes me laugh when, and as much as I love ToffeeWeb, fans think the managers selections are influenced by comments on here 😂😂
Peter Gorman
16 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:22:18
Yep, that is pretty much the lineup that the doctor ordered.

2-0 up, not bad.

Annika Herbert
17 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:23:34
Jay @14, thanks for the links.
Peter Gorman
18 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:27:35
To be fair to Neil, he said "fan comment and pressure" - not once did he specify TW, let alone this thread or live forum.

There are many forums in which fans can vent their spleen (Twitter being one that I guarantee players and managers read). TW just happens to be the one favoured by the most discerning fans *cough*.

Steve Ferns
19 Posted 24/09/2019 at 20:37:47
Peter, i would have thought Instagram is the players preference. Those on both seem to upload to Instagram first. The likes of Tom Davies has changed his settings to stop fans posting on his pictures.

Richarlison does read twitter though, but he can't speak English so what we say will go over his head. I know he reads twitter because he said he likes to watch the Everton fans singing their songs, particularly ones about him.

Christy Ring
20 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:00:06
No one said ToffeeWeb influenced Silva, but former players pundits etc have criticised Silva's selection. DCL started tonight and rightfully so left on the bench on Saturday when Silva made a huge boo boo trying to pair Kean and Tosun which was never a match
Neil Lawson
21 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:10:29
Thank you Peter (18) for reading and understanding my comments properly. An effective politician ( is there such a thing anymore?) will always be aware of relevant opinion and comments in order to address them when challenged. So, too, anyone in a position of authority and influence.
Phil Sammon
22 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:16:40
Thanks for the links, Jay.
George Cumiskey
23 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:39:44
Two early goals then nothing, then the tactical genius brings on Walcott and Siggy then of course Sneids.
You couldn't make it up.
Jim Bennings
24 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:40:07
Job done but we still look like a team with no confidence and no real pattern to our play, Sheffield Wednesday has chances to punish us but their status showed in the lack of end product.

Much improvement is needed from this Everton team however to avoid a long arduous winter ahead.

Tony Hill
25 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:48:21
We won, which was very important for the manager (imagine the scenes on here if we'd lost) and for the club since we should be aiming to win this cup. Two good goals for DCL which will do him no harm at all. Let's be comfortable with that for now.

But we must, of course, keep building and looking to win, game after game after game.

Danny Baily
26 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:49:29
Fingers crossed for luck in the draw. Colchester at Goodison!
Tom Dodds
27 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:50:41
Good not great win.

I take it most people listened to Radio Merseyside tonight? Tell me, is it just me or does 90 full minutes of Ronny Goodlass's mind-numbing flat-key damble not want to plug your own ears with lead??

I'm not being horrible to 'im but ffs it soon becomes a fuckin torture, he just hogs the fuckin mike and flatlines good footy commentary.

Ray Smith
28 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:52:03
Silva just can't help himself.

2-0 up and he brings on Walcott and Schneiderlin?

How does this man's brain work?

Tony Hill
29 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:52:12
That would bring memories of 1971 5-0, Danny, in the FA Cup QF, which some of us remember. You can see it on YouTube.
Darren Hind
30 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:54:44
We got knocked out of both cups last season before we found any sort of form. That was really frustrating.

The result was all important tonight but, having backed us to win 2-0, I was extra happy with the scoreline.

A home draw would be nice.

Steve Ferns
31 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:57:27
Ray, job done and shut up shop. Sensible substitutions for me. We only need to win and we did, comfortably.

Jim Bennings, what did you watch the game on? I couldn't find anything. I had to watch SSN and listen to Radio Merseyside.

Steve Ferns
32 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:58:26
Tom, would I be showing my age if I said whilst I have heard the name, I know little about the guy?
Dave Abrahams
33 Posted 24/09/2019 at 21:58:33
We won, happy with that.

Thanks for the links Jay, two decent goals, glad for Dominic. Goals, no matter who they are against, give confidence. Dominic takes a lot of stick on here, so take a bow lad and keep on scoring, three in the last two games.

Tony Hill
34 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:01:14
He was the one who crossed for Bryan Hamilton's "offside" goal in the 1977 semi-final Steve. A good winger.
Steve Ferns
35 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:01:44
I wasn't born then, Tony!
Phillip Warrington
36 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:03:40
Yes, we won, but let's be realistic. We played a weakened Wednesday team who had enough chances to beat us and, if we were playing another Premier League team, it would have been a different result.

The real test comes comes in the next 5 games. They should be able to lift playing one of the best teams in the world, but can they sustain that for any length of time?
Tony Hill
37 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:04:10
Lucky you, Steve, the pain was unbearable. And still is.
Cristobal Aguirre
39 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:09:16
What a relief! It was impossible to watch the game but at least somehow we managed to win. Hope to build something from here.
Derek Knox
40 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:09:57
Thanks, Jay @14 !

Happy with the win, but why not try second half to increase the lead even further? Think there was one shot on goal from Sidibe, according to the radio, but Wednesday had a few and didn't score.

Ray Smith
41 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:11:36
Steve @31,

I understand where you are coming from, but what does Walcott offer.

Kieran Kinsella
42 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:13:17
Curious to see what effect if any this will have on the team for Saturday.
Paul Tran
43 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:14:47
Hats off to Silva and the team. Dodged the banana skin well. Now let's have a go at the free pass that is Man City.
John Keating
44 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:15:45
The main thing was we won. Calvert-Lewin has to start against Man City.

At least one youngster should have been on the bench tonight – Gordon. Better him getting 15 minutes tonight rather than playing for the youngsters.

Hear chaos at Mordor. With Thomas Cook going under, attendances won't get into double figures.

Paul Birmingham
45 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:16:03
A good result, and we are through, but from killing the game off, we seemed to etch out the result and Sheff We'd, did have a few decent chances.

Now for a good home draw tomorrow, and let's see what happens.

I sense Calvert-Lewin, will start on Saturday, after tonight's game, and I hope we play with a 4-4-2, but Marco Silva will decide.

Hopefully we won't be timid and will have a game plan, which includes no unforced errors and needless free kicks in range.

Man City, arguably the best team in Europe, could do some serious damage. But potentially EFC could do a job with a bear pit crowd and a fair referee.

Now to try and rebuild the confidence and belief and take a grip on this season.

Chris Hockenhull
46 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:17:49
Tom Dodds @27,

Spot on I ceased to listen to Radio Merseyside Everton commentaries about 4 years ago due to the inane ramblings of Goodlass throughout every bloody game...-and his endless reverent cohort who plays holy every time he speaks to an Everton manager in the “press” slot after a game... totally scared to ever ask a critical pointed question.

Goodlass drones on and on and on... never coming up for air nor making a valid positive comment.Bores the arse off you like the nightmare bugger you get to find that will be sitting behind you all season when you arrive for the first game of the season with your new season ticket with worthless foam from the mouth!!!

Hardly a Everton legend yet another example of a bit part actor from an era of failure strolling around the FanZone before games shaking hands like some sort of failed politician. Another example of the club, and media, employing failure, fresh off Uncle Cyril's Handlebars.

Oh, and after suffering 90 mins plus of this buffoon, we get the “Aftermatch Phone-In” we get callers coming on...they get about 6 seconds to ask question/make their point... only to be shut up and subjected to Right On, Ronnie pontificating yet more shite – exactly what we've had to endure since 4 hours ago!!!! Agghhhh no more.., I'm on one!!!!

Ray Smith
48 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:21:30
Danny 26 Tony 29

6th March 1971 Everton 5 Colchester 0.

How do I remember the date?
I got married that day, still with my wife.

We sneaked away from the reception and back to our flat to watch MotD in black and white. My new wife held the indoor aerial to get the picture! True commitment as we are still together, before going to Spain on honeymoon the next day.

Raymond Fox
49 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:26:22
Yeah a win thank god, I'll say well done boys even if some of the perpetual moaners find it difficult.

Watch us play well against Man City, they won't be defending in numbers obviously, that suits us better.

The thread would have been awash with posts if we had lost!

Tony Hill
50 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:28:32
Congrats, Ray @48, lovely that. Colchester had famously beaten the mighty Leeds in the previous round.
Derek Knox
51 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:31:08
Ray, did she still have the aerial in Spain so you didn't miss any of the games? :-)
Bill Gienapp
52 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:35:29
Seems like it was a remarkably no-fuss victory, given how many red flags there were heading into the match. Two quick strikes and a clean sheet – if only it were always that easy.
Steve Ferns
53 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:41:36
I know a lot of you hate stats but I'm going to go there. There's something called xG. Expected goals. You'll see it used on MotD but few understand it. Basically every chance gets a score from 0.0 to 1.0 as to how likely you are to score. So Pickford from a goalkick will be like 0.01 whereas a tap in into an empty net will be approaching 0.99. It's a good guide to see if you "deserved" to win. If you hit the post 100 times and conceded a jammy goal, then your xG should show that.

For example, our results and xG results so far are :
Palace away - actual score: 0-0 - xG score: 0.87 - 1.22
Watford home - actual score: 1-0 - xG score: 0.83 - 1.17
Aston Villa away - actual score: 2-0 - xG score: 0.86 - 1.26
Wolves home - actual score: 3-2 - xG score: 1.49 - 2.00
Bournemouth away - actual score: 3-1 - xG score: 1.42 - 1.51
Sheff Utd home - actual score: 0-2 - xG score: 1.26 - 0.51

So, basically this shows we were lucky to beat Wolves and Watford as they had chances to win. We were unlucky to lose each of the games we lost as we had the better chances in each of the games, although the Bournemouth xG score was only slightly in our favour. I can see how a lot of you can just dismiss this as a load of old bollocks which is why I never posted this stuff on here before.

However, I thought that it might be of interest to some as it also relates to players. So you take your crap, can't hit a barn door with a banjo striker and look at his goals scored v xG. For example, Sergio Aguero has an xG of 6.41, but has scored 8. This reveals a striker who is more than taking his chances. The player with the second best xG this season is Rashford, but his tells a different story, he has scored 3 but should have scored 4.12. Tammy Abraham has scored 7 but his xG is 3.24, so he is another more than taking his chances.

How does it apply to Everton? Well here is a list of players, goals and xG:
1. Richarlison 2 1.61
2. Calvert-Lewin 1 1.35
3. Iwobi 1 0.87
4. Gylfi 0 0.85
5. Kean 0 0.81
9. Bernard 1 0.24

An interesting one is Walcott. 4 appearances, but only 59 minutes and an xG of 0.54 which works out at 0.82 per 90 minutes, showing what we all know which is how he gets chances but wastes them.

Now if you look at Calvert-Lewin's xG over the seasons for the Premier League:
2016-17 11 apps 340 mins 1 goal 1.25 xG 1.85 shots per 90 mins
2017-18 32 apps 1861 mins 4 goals 5.44 xG 2.03 Sp90
2018/19 35 apps 1763 mins 6 goals 6.17 xG 2.65 Sp90
2019-20 5 apps 320 mins 1 goal 1.35 xG 1.69 Sp90

Despite scoring, he got hammered by a few on the live forum. His stats are not showing a wasteful striker, but simply one not getting enough chances. His xG is about level with the goals he scores.

He got hammered for "finding his level" and being a "Championship" striker. What you see is he has 8 goals in 8 games in the League Cup. He's played the following games:
Blackpool R1 2015 won 3-0, scored 1;
Newcastle R2 2015 lost 4-1, scored 0 (played 15 mins as sub);
Crewe R1 2016 won 2-1 AET; scored 0 (played 37 mins as sub);
Sunderland R3 2017 won 3-0, scored 2 (played on the right wing);
Chelsea R4 2017 lost 2-1, scored 1 (played 26 mins as sub);
Rotherham R2 2018 won 3-1, scored 2;
Lincoln R2 2019 won 4-2 (played 16 mins as sub);
Sheff Weds R3 2019 won 2-0, scored 2.

So, yes, I see why some dismiss the goals because it is lower league opposition. But the lad has played 8, scored 8 and only started 4 of those games. Surely this is telling you, and we don't have xG here to help, that Calvert-Lewin is getting better chances, more chances, is shooting more and so is scoring more. If this is indeed the case, then it rubbishes those who say the lad cannot finish. Clearly he can. He just needs to get more chances.

That's not to say he doesn't need to work harder on the training ground. It is not just for him to point to a lack of chances, but it is for him to work on getting those chances. For example, if we played Harry Kane instead, then he would get more chances than Dom. His movement, his runs, and his positioning is far superior. Dom needs to keep working on this. He can improve it. He can get better. And yes, he can finish.

Oliver Molloy
54 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:49:05
We won, Calvert-Lewin scoring is good, of course, but nothing to get excited about here.
Dave Lynch
56 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:49:26
Sorry but I can take many positives from that performance, especially the second half.

Wednesday are, not to put too finer point on it, shite.

Totally different proposition come the weekend when it will matter to both sides, they cannot afford to lose anymore ground on Liverpool and, if we play at the level we have been, will get battered.

Alex Parr
57 Posted 24/09/2019 at 22:57:36
Cheers Steve for that interesting analysis, I know some people think its bollocks but it does make interesting reading when put into context.

Did anyone else notice Calvert-Lewin winding up the Sheffield Wednesday fans after the first goal? Were they giving him a load of dogs?

Trevor Peers
58 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:03:31
Enjoyed that comfortable win, I'll savour that. I hope Calvert-Lewin remains in his rich vein of form... otherwise, by Saturday night, we could be 19th or 18th, just a thought.
Laurie Hartley
59 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:08:41
I'm relieved to have won this – I admit I was dreading the worst.

Glad Calvert Lewin scored twice it will do his confidence the world of good. I hope he continues to do so.

A nod to Darren Hind who has displayed commendable restraint on this thread considering recent exchanges. Well played.

Ray # 48 – that is true love – no wonder you two have stuck together - long may it continue.

Jay – thanks for the links – two great passes for each of the goals. If you saw the whole game can you let's us know how Holgate and Sidibé played.

Jamie Crowley
61 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:12:50
Jay Wood thanks for the links!

That first goal was sick. Great touch and finish by Calvert-Lewin.

Rob Halligan
62 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:16:12
A more enjoyable coach journey back home after the last away game!!

A flying start by the Blues but could have been an even quicker start by Wednesday only for a fine save by Pickford following a horrendous howler by Tom Davies. 2 good finished by Calvert-Lewin and bang, within 10 minutes we're 2 up.

Chances by both sides in the first half, but probably the best chance fell to Calvert-Lewin to complete a hat trick, but for a fine save by their keeper down at the post.

I think we settled for the 2-0 scoreline early in the second half. Plenty of possession football played between the back line and midfield. I suppose that's okay, even it does sometimes get infuriating, it's when we are losing, like last Saturday for example, when we still play possession football, that it gets really annoying.

Chances at either end could have produced more goals, possibly the best chance falling to Wednesday when a header from a free-kick wide on our right, was headed just over. Could have made for a nervy last few minutes but, in the end, was probably a fairly comfortable win.

Peter Mills
63 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:17:20
Steve #53, after a few beers, your post has sent my head spinning, so I'll just say what I came on here to say:-

I'm made up for Calvert-Lewin tonight.

Jamie Crowley
64 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:18:00
Steve -

This xG is awfully interesting. I like the concept of tracking goals that should have been / good chances vs. converting. It's an interesting metric.

My only question - who in the world puts the numerical value on the chance? How do you quantify that value? Seems very subjective to me?

As long as the person who places the number on the xG, isn't the same guy drawing the offside line for VAR in the Spurs game last weekend, it's interesting.

I'm not knocking it at all. I actually like the premise. But how does one derive the xG value, and who does that?

Steve Ferns
65 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:18:45
Eddie Dunn
66 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:19:36
Steve that is very interesting and entertaining too. Obviously the stats can vary in terms of what constitutes a shot (anything resembling a shot, however feeble could, I presume, be included in these), but nonetheless these figures do tell us quite a lot.

Good for Calvert-Lewin, after being dropped, even after scoring against the Cherries.

I will be interested to see what line-up to play against Man City. Will he have the guts to keep Davies and Iwobi in?

Steve Ferns
67 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:20:31
Jamie: what is xG?
Jerome Shields
68 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:21:52
Great result and badly needed. Two well worked goals. Thanks for the links, Jay and Steve.

Peter Gorman
69 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:32:31
Alex @57 - having not watched the game I cannot say whether or not the Wednesday fans were winding Calvert-Lewin up but, with his Sheff Utd connection, I wouldn't be surprised.

Made up for him to get the goals, I'd like to think we'd all wish he kicks on from this. Now we need Kean to bag a couple for his own confidence.

Jamie Crowley
70 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:32:40
Steve thanks. Sorry I missed it!
Steve Ferns
71 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:36:15
Jamie, this is the best free to use xG and xPts website.

Understat you might find it interesting.

Peter Gorman
72 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:36:51
I'll add my thanks to Jay and Steve for the links.
Andy Crooks
73 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:43:40
Good win, pleased for Calvert-Lewin and the coach. Also pleased for Darren Hind, I love the enemy getting relieved of some cash.
John Raftery
74 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:46:36
As Steve says, Calvert-Lewin has proven he can take chances. No forward in the world scores from all the chances created. They all miss them, even Aguero. In our team the way we play restricts scoring opportunities especially against teams which sit deep. In a team which creates few chances, the missed chances tend to be magnified.

While I am very happy we are in the draw for the next round, it was frustrating our players did not take the opportunity to put on a better attacking display and score a couple of goals in the second half. I felt an opportunity to build confidence among our forwards was missed.

Andy Crooks
75 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:50:06
Steve@ 53, I have never read anything, ever, on this site quite like that post. It is wonderful and if anyone ever said to me, "What's Steve Ferns like?" I could honestly say, top bloke, have a read at this.
Jay Wood

76 Posted 24/09/2019 at 23:57:36
Laurie @ 59. Sorry to disappoint, but no. I didn't see the game by any means so I can't offer greater insight. A relie back in Liverpool sent me the links.

Like (some!) I'm made up for Calvert-Lewin. ANY goal - especially an Everton goal, and all the more so in the run we on - should be celebrated and enjoyed. It seems there are some Blues who are incapable of it even when we win, especially when it is scored by a player they don't rate.

Yes, he had the space for his 1st goal he perhaps wouldn't get in the Premier League, but his control of Sidibe's dinked cross was excellent and his finish an exocet.

I wonder how many noticed his work for his second goal also? Yes, Bernard picks up a clearance and plays in a lovely disguised pass for Iwobi to cross and it looks an easy finish for Calvert-Lewin, which it was.

But also notice when Bernard is on the ball that Calvert-Lewin never takes his eyes off Bernard and starts making a run into the box right to left to the near post where the ball is.

We have bemoaned the lack of movement in and around the penalty to offer midfielders an option to play to. Well, Calvert-Lewin offers Bernard an option with his movement,

Simultaneously of course Iwobi makes a straighter run into the penalty area and that is the pass Bernard plays for the former to make the cut back. But Calvert-Lewin is very smart. That right to left run to the near post draws the centre-back out with him, but when he sees Iwobi is going to gather the ball, Calvert-Lewin checks his run and steps backwards – always watching the ball. His marking centre-back doesn't show the same awareness and charges towards Iwobi. The space and angle Calvert-Lewin's movement creates makes Iwobi's job simple: get it in to Calvert-Lewin and he has time and space to finish, which he did.

That's not the first time I've seen Calvert-Lewin making that 'checking run' in which the centre back runs back to cover him, but doesn't check his own run when Calvert-Lewin does to buy him time and space. He did the same for England at the back end of last season.

That's the play of a smart footballer (dare I say, striker?).

How he didn't play in the starting XI vs the 3 centre-backs of Sheffield United (his former team, of course. Who doesn't get a lift playing against a former club?), still bemuses me.

He'll start against Man City on Saturday, I'm sure.

Steve Ferns
77 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:07:03
Cheers Andy, I think someone hacked my account!
Steve Ferns
78 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:10:57
Jay, the movement of Calvert-Lewin for that second goal is what makes it.

I also didn't see the game, but other than Calvert-Lewin's goals, the other takeaway from the Sky Sports Highlights is Sidibe. As you say, he makes the first, he's involved in the second, but did you also see him run past Calvert-Lewin to go through on goal and shoot narrowly wide from inside the box?

Now this is the Sidibe I saw marauding forwards for Monaco. Surely, he also has to start against Man City? Actually, on second thoughts, he'll leave loads of space in behind and get murdered! Let's bring him in against Burnley away.

Mike Gaynes
79 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:16:04
Steve, I saw your post #53 reposted as an article, and responded to it. Great work and research. And as you know, I love statistics!

Jay #76, I noted that late adjustment on the second goal as well. First time I have seen him do it.

And now, switching off from the subject of Calvert-Lewin, I resume staring at the ceiling in disbelief that Silva simply cannot address the issue of defending set-pieces. It is idiotic to me, and ultimately suicidal, that this club cannot defend the most basic and anticipated attack. And we're going nowhere until we can.

Kase Chow
80 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:18:21
Very happy to win. Well done, Blues!

Now let's keep this going!

Steve Ferns
81 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:27:51
Mike, did you see the article about Silva? It implied he was losing certain players and they were not happy with the long-time he made them stay on the training pitch, and in particular the overly long set-piece drills. Could this be the problem?

Silva is trying to work on set pieces and perfect them, he does know what he is doing, but some players are simply not putting the effort in on the training pitch and so mistakes are being made in the game?

Which I'm sure someone else will then point to this as a direct example of Silva failing to motivate his players.

Lyndon Lloyd
82 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:38:08
Steve (81), I'm not sure how much stock we should put in that piece in the Telegraph and it's the reason why I didn't create a media or rumour item for it. It's by Matt Law, a Chelsea beat reporter whose distaste for Everton was evident during the John Stones saga. He spent months egging that transfer story on despite our board's stance being crystal clear.

Speaking to some of the Everton journos who have closer access the players and club, they say that any such rift or notion that Silva is "losing the dressing room" is news to them. Most of the players speak in glowing terms about him and it was the same at Hull but there could be the odd exception, perhaps someone not getting the game time they want.

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:40:25
Thanks Lyndon. That's great to hear.
Jamie Crowley
84 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:55:52
I'm not trying to piss on anyone's chips (love that expression, Thank You, England!), but there's a lot of positivity after the victory tonight.

As well there should be!

But! [always a but, forwarded by a butt, that'd be me]

The proof in the pudding for me is how we do on the weekend. Beating Sheffield Wednesday is a good thing, but not a game-changer.

I want to win this tournament. I'm thrilled we progressed. But before we start all happy balls, let's see how we look against Man City.

If we come out with intent, create opportunities, and approach the game looking to score and win, opposed to not conceding and playing flaccid football, then I'll start dropping the confetti and partying like it's 1999.

David Pearl
85 Posted 25/09/2019 at 01:17:02
Hmm. Well maybe it's hindered us not playing a top 6 team so far. Maybe it's just what we need to put in that extra effort required and see the rewards. A win on the weekend might just kick start our season.

Glad people aren't clamouring to see Kean play and maybe realise he needs time. So far, his touch and hold-up play has been awful. So let's give him the time he needs and hope Calvert-Lewin takes the confidence into the next game.

I hope Coleman, Schneiderlin and Keane return but who will he drop for the expected return of Sigurdsson?

Jeff Spoering
86 Posted 25/09/2019 at 01:34:20
Just watched the extended highlights on the Everton website. I was really hoping to see some evidence of Davies being a quality midfield option. Instead, I saw far too many errors from him that would be mercilessly punished during a Premier League game and no sight of inspirational plays to offset the errors, perhaps mainly from being rusty.

Can anyone who saw the entire game add more to describe his overall performance?

Bill Watson
87 Posted 25/09/2019 at 01:42:38
Ray #48.

Loved your post but why on earth did you arrange to get married during the season? We were married in July of the same year! First date was at Maine Road, on a freezing Boxing Day in 1968. We won 3-1.

Back to tonight's game and very pleased for Calvert-Lewin, as I'm one of his greatest critics, but we rode our luck, defensively, on quite a few occasions.

Man City should give us more space to counter but will take full advantage if we continue making silly errors at the back.

Bill Watson
88 Posted 25/09/2019 at 01:58:52
Jeff #86,

I was at the game and thought Davies had a pretty decent first half (apart from that early error). He adds a lot to the fluidity and forward movement of the team.

In the second half, he was much less adventurous (maybe under orders?) and made a lot of sideways and backwards passes. His overall game became a little sloppy, too. Mind you, he wasn't alone in that and the amount of misplaced passes continues to be a concern.

The second half was a disappointment and I can't recall their goalkeeper having to deal with any direct shot on goal. I suspect Silva had told them not to take any chances and to hold what we had.

I like Davies and think he has real potential but he really needs to cut out the sloppy mistakes. I think he'll make way for Sideways Bob vs Man City.

John Pierce
89 Posted 25/09/2019 at 03:54:21
Well done the team and nice one, Silva. In the next round winning a game I'd expect us to win.

Fair dos on the changes which gave much-needed change of energy to the side. He removed the players who slow us down either through lack of pace or tempo with the ball.

Sadly he opted to stay with the formation which he will need to ditch sooner or later, if he is to stay in a job.

As coverage was limited, I can't say too much more really.

Let's hope for Crawley or Colchester. 😃

Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 25/09/2019 at 04:16:15
Tom 27 Chris 46

I agree on Goodlass. TBH, he was before my time but given the reverence his co-commentators show him, I assumed he was a Dave Hickson type. Finally looked him up. 32 games in the glorious Billy Bingham era. Seriously? We may as well get Mitch Ward or Mike Milligan to replace him.

Ashley Roberts
91 Posted 25/09/2019 at 04:17:23
I am not sure you can gauge much from playing a Championship side that made 8 changes from their supposed first team. Still a win is a win to raise the spirits.

It will be a totally different game against Man City and I just hope Gomes is fit. If I see Shneiderlin's name on the first 11 team sheet I know we will be in for a drubbing. Hopefully not 8 like last weekend against Watford. I cannot believe folk are advocating for his reinstatement into the side.

I am glad Silva tried Iwobi tonight in the #10 position which seemed to have some success but I think Bernard can do a good job there as he is technically very good and somewhat like the diminutive Silva who pulls the strings for City. That would allow Iwobi and Richi to play on the wing in the infamous 4-2-3-1 system and give license to Bernard to feed the front runners. I would also like to see Calvert-Lewin and Kean to start up top together but maybe it is best not to experiment too much this weekend.

John Hammond
92 Posted 25/09/2019 at 04:51:31
Steve #53: Interesting post. In the league he's going to get less chances than in the cup against lower league opposition/understrength Premier League teams so as you rightly say he's got to work massively on his all-round game to get more chances.

My overall impression of him from watching games is that he does miss easy chances or chances where he should have at least hit the target. Similar to Walcott. Last night was one of the rare occasions where he got all but one on target.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 25/09/2019 at 04:57:25
Steve #81, I don't believe it's a case of Silva not "motivating" his players properly, and I totally reject the idea that "some players are simply not putting the effort in on the training pitch and so mistakes are being made in the game." As we've seen many times, Silva isn't the slightest bit shy about sitting players down if he sees a lack of effort in training. We've seen no such issues so far this season.

In my opinion this problem is caused by Silva's ridiculously stubborn adherence to a defensive set-piece system his players are not well-suited to execute. A manager's job is to put his players in a position to succeed, and Silva clearly cannot do that here, and he refuses to see it. If you work on a strategy for a few months and it fails, sure, you can blame the players for not doing their jobs. But when you've been working on the same system for 15 months now, with the players you've personally chosen, and you're still giving up wide-open chances on every fucking set-piece -- even to lower-league competition like Lincoln and Wednesday -- there is no one to blame but the manager.

If Wednesday could finish their dead ball chances, we'd be out of the Cup tonight. The results clearly show that Silva does NOT know what he's doing in this area, any more than Roberto did. And it is going to cost us.

Derek Knox
94 Posted 25/09/2019 at 05:56:10
Gary Carter @15, sometimes I think Silva would be a lot better off and more aware if he were to read TW, but then again, he would read every post, even mine, and then still stubbornly do it his way!

Although the result last night has got us into the hat for the next round, I don't think it exonerates Silva, when you take into account that Sheffield Wednesday made eight changes, so they were not that keen to progress really.

Like the radio commentary and many who attended have confirmed, Wednesday created quite a few chances of their own, but for woeful finishing and a couple of good saves from Pickford, the result could have been a lot worse.

Laurie Hartley
95 Posted 25/09/2019 at 06:21:04
Mike # 93 - one thing that does bemuse me is why we are right up there when it comes to the most corners gained in the Premier League (38) yet we hardly ever seem to score from them.

Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 25/09/2019 at 07:05:26
Steve @31, stop taking your job home with you, mate!
John Hammond
97 Posted 25/09/2019 at 07:13:54
Ashley #91: I've advocated for Bernard to play at #10 in the past however I believe it should be Iwobi's from now on and I actually think that is why we bought him - to replace Sigurdsson. Iwobi is proven at international level as a #10 and has stated his preferred role is central.

For Calvert-Lewin's second goal that left channel is literally Iwobi's favourite place to play and for Digne's chance in the second half that angled pass behind the defence is what he is so good at. Had that been to Richarlison then the chances of that being a goal increase massively.

Furthermore were we to play 4-3-3 then he would be equally dangerous on the left side of the midfield 3. Whatever happens, we have to build the side around this guy!

Brian Murray
98 Posted 25/09/2019 at 07:16:13
Tony. Post 29. I remember the Colchester 1971 quarter-final. Blues in amber kit at home for some reason. Semi-final Od Trafford against them shire hawks. One-nil up through Bally then Labone's injury changed the game. You can guess the rest.

First time Everton broke my heart. At least Charlie George in the final had our family dancing in the street again!!!

John Hammond
99 Posted 25/09/2019 at 07:23:25
Derek #94: This is professional football we can't expect for the opposition team to not have chances especially away from home.

We allowed Sheffield United 2 shots the whole game and only 1 was on target but we lost 2-0. Watford got battered 8-0 but still had more shots on target than we did. You make out like Pickford preventing the other team from scoring is a bad thing!

Paul Tran
100 Posted 25/09/2019 at 07:53:59
Steve #81, while we're struggling, plenty of lazy journalists will write stories about Silva 'losing the players'.

I have no doubt that Silva is a competent, qualified coach that 'knows what he's doing' on the training pitch.

If the players 'arent putting effort in', or aren't getting his ideas, I'd argue that it's the manager's job to be understood and to motivate the players.

Back in the day, it was often said you had to 'earn the right to play'. That's all the chasing down, pressing, purpose and intensity that we don't do often enough.

My impression of Silva is that he may be a good coach, but I'm unconvinced about him as a manager. Nothing to do with jumping up and down on the touchline, more to do with the sluggish aimlessness of much of our play.

It's in his hands to turn it around.

Sam Hoare
101 Posted 25/09/2019 at 08:12:05
Jay & Steve,

I think Calvert-Lewin's movement for the second goal is good but, for me, it is Iwobi's movement that makes it. He does something Sigurdsson does not do enough (or at all) in making a pacy run beyond the defenders. This creates a good passing opportunity for Bernard and draws 2 defenders to Iwobi which is what creates the space for Calvert-Lewin.

It's this type of run and pace from the 10 which is why I've been advocating Iwobi to play more central; a position he is far more comfortable and experienced in than Bernard for those suggesting he play there.

Tony Abrahams
102 Posted 25/09/2019 at 08:16:22
Maybe it's the coaching, Paul, maybe it's the players, and maybe it's also the opposition, but when Calvert-Lewin, scored his first last night, wasn't it good to see Tom Davies, running into the Wednesday box?

His forward run left their central defender in two minds, and that's something I haven't seen Everton do so far this season.

We play the same way, constantly getting the ball wide and looking for little pullbacks, but with only one striker in the box, and not enough midfielders pouring forward, it's just too easy for defenders to defend, simply because they usually have a massive numerical advantage, and surely another reason to do away with one of our holding midfielders for most games?

Ray Smith
103 Posted 25/09/2019 at 08:29:28
Bill 87

Not only the Colchester game, I also missed the next two games!
Panakinaithos 1-1 David Johnson, and Stoke 2-0 Alan Whittle, Joe Royle.

If you saw the size of my father-in-law, you would have got married on 6th March, lovely man, but a Gooner.

Paul Tran
104 Posted 25/09/2019 at 08:33:45
Good point, Tony. Caution and bravery can be hard to balance. I'd argue Silva tilts too far towards caution.

I presumed that Kean and Iwobi were bought to join Richarlison in running at the opposition. I'm fine with two 'holding' midfielders as long as at least one of them can get forward to support the attack.

Davies has energy and purpose in spades. In the absence of Gbamin, surely we can use it?

Brent Stephens
105 Posted 25/09/2019 at 08:55:32
Just read that Wednesday made 8 (eight!) changes to their line-up last night! Did they assume we were a walk-over and could rest a load of first-team regulars?!

We had the two, early pieces of really good teamwork and movement leading to our goals, promising a rout – but after that it was a pretty boring game. Anyway, job done.

Derek Knox
106 Posted 25/09/2019 at 09:13:00
John @99, not sure how you came to that conclusion, I was pointing out that this result shouldn't be construed that we have turned the corner, or completely dispelled our away day form.

I ALWAYS want us to win, regardless of the opposition, but am not convinced that despite having a better squad and players we don't seem to be making any discernable signs of progress.

John Hammond
107 Posted 25/09/2019 at 09:26:33
Derek, I was referring to your last paragraph that it could've been a lot worse had Wednesday taken their chances. Not sure what point you were making but I read it as somehow being a really bad thing that the opposition had chances. Of course the result could've been worse but this applies to every single game of football ever played.
Trevor Peers
108 Posted 25/09/2019 at 09:33:58
Derek @106.

Silva still has his admirers despite the poor form we have shown this season and will clutch at any straw, like last night's welcomed victory, is evidence that we have turned the corner and we are on the way to the promised land.

There's a lot of tough fixtures coming up that will give us a better idea of how the season and Silva is progressing. I can see more problems than answers, especially in defence and attack.

Dave Abrahams
109 Posted 25/09/2019 at 09:35:35
Ray 48), lovely story Ray, hope you and your wife have many more happy years together.
Derek Knox
110 Posted 25/09/2019 at 10:13:22
Trevor @108, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I think we all see things slightly differently, some totally differently, but to me 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'.

An old saying, but very profound in it's simplicity and meaning, the same adage basically applies to Football, results determine positions in the Table, or progression to the next round in a Cup.

Okay as fans we want to be entertained as well, they are getting paid enough, and we are paying enough in one way or another to watch them. At the moment in the bread and butter World of the Prem, we are neither being entertained or getting the expected results with better players having been brought in.

I think we all know why, and as you so succinctly said the next few games will tell us a lot, I have to be careful and not upset too many people God Forbid.

Silva is a winner in as much that he will be generously compensated, mind you he has previous in that respect but I don't believe that anyone should be rewarded for abject failure.

Kunal Desai
111 Posted 25/09/2019 at 11:03:21
Job done. Tie killed of very early on.
I'd like to see both Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson remain on the bench for Saturdays game. Start the game with Bernard, Iwobi and Davies.
David Pearl
112 Posted 25/09/2019 at 11:33:04
A couple of points...
The red shite basically have 3 defensive midfielders. So saying us playing with 2 is negative is complete bs.

Kunal. You would really play Davies over Schneidelin?

Sam Hoare
113 Posted 25/09/2019 at 11:43:11
Davies showed some good energy at times but he also made 2 quite big mistakes, leading to one excellent and one chance for them. Its to be expected perhaps after so little time for us this season but it was not a performance that filled me with confidence.

Schneiderlin is a player who I really don't like and I think we need better in our team but I'm not convinced he has been the problem this season. I would like to see Davies get more time but to start him against City would feel very risky. Maybe its a risk worth taking but him and Delph would make for a quite porous centre in my eyes as neither is great at holding position.

Tony Abrahams
114 Posted 25/09/2019 at 11:54:01
Because the RS, play with three defensive midfielders, (which I think is bollocks David) us playing with two is not negative.

Liverpool, Spurs, they get players pouring forward into their opponents box, but other than Davies and Iwobi, (good point Sam, although he was our number 10) last night, when do you see Everton's midfield players getting forward to join the attack?

Paul Tran
116 Posted 25/09/2019 at 12:17:57
This 'holding' 'defensive' midfielder nonsense has to stop. Liverpool's midfield presses the opposition in packs and pushes them into mistakes. None of them are what I would call outstanding players, just very good pros that do their jobs well. No debate about whether they're 'defensive'. See how hard they work in unison, see how hard we work in comparison. There's your difference, relentless purpose and hunger.

That stems from the culture, which comes from the manager. That's the culture I'd like to see in blue.

Tony Abrahams
117 Posted 25/09/2019 at 12:50:48
Exactly Paul, they have more energy in their little fingers than what Schneiderlin possesses in his whole body.

Trevor Peers
118 Posted 25/09/2019 at 12:56:15
Definitely down to the manager Paul, Silva is a bit moody at times, he certainly doesn't look as though you would run through a brick wall for him, as I read somewhere earlier.

Of course there's not too many Klopps out there, Kendall was a better man manager and ruthless.

Derek Knox
119 Posted 25/09/2019 at 13:21:21
Trevor, I doubt whether they would run through a sheet of wet wallpaper for him, I don't profess to be an expert in body language, but after watching the extended highlights, when the players came off the pitch, most looked like they wanted to punch his Portuguese lights out.
Sam Hoare
120 Posted 25/09/2019 at 13:34:21
Silva, by most accounts works extremely hard. And works his players extremely hard too. I think when you are winning and on top of the wave that creates a respect and mutual trust. When you are not winning it can just create resentment.

Personally if we are to be playing in mediocre fashion I would rather do so knowing that the manager is out there working his balls off to try and fix it (a la Silva) rather than clocking off early for a quick 18 (a la Koeman and Allardyce).

Francis van Lierop
121 Posted 25/09/2019 at 13:48:18
A good, but much needed win.
The goals were probably better than game, at least the first one was.
Good to see Dom on the score-sheet. We know he can score, he just didn't seem to do it for us.
He used to score for fun with the England U21's.

I just looked it up, I posted it on my Twitter page then (02/09/17), a real Everton goal with a very good assist by Ademola Lookman.

Tony Abrahams
122 Posted 25/09/2019 at 13:48:24
And so it goes Sam, round in circles just like Everton, have been doing for a lifetime mate!
Martin Berry
123 Posted 25/09/2019 at 13:51:53
DCL will score if we create chances and he will create chances for others with his aerial threat and hold up play.
I realize he is not the finished article but it shows that we need his type leading the line.
Good luck to the lad
Trevor Peers
124 Posted 25/09/2019 at 14:12:51
Derek 119.
I get were your coming from, every successful manager I've seen has surly nasty streak to them. When I look back at all the great managers or even the moderately successful ones, they all had a nasty side that made players respect and fear them at the same time.
Unfortunately I don't see it with Silva, it doesn't mean he won't be a success but it makes less likely IMO.
Steavey Buckley
125 Posted 25/09/2019 at 14:18:39
DCL proved last night when Everton have a striker in form, Everton should have won all their games this season. But Everton did not start the new season without any striker in form because there is no recognized striker at the club, so, Silva has take responsibility for this situation. 7 points from 6 matches against the weaker teams in the PL is unacceptable, so, money spent in the last 2 seasons on transfers have largely been wasted when Everton can't get acceptable results.
Kieran Kinsella
126 Posted 25/09/2019 at 14:26:56
Steve/Mike Gaynes

On this whole set piece practicing. Given the hours spent on it, how is it we can neither defend a corner nor score from one. If we are practicing defending them then presumably our attackers are the ones taking them. So are we still crap at defending them because our attackers are so crap at taking corners that we never really have a chance to practice defending them? I remember in high school we'd practice corners but the kid (teacher's pet taking them) was useless so we all watched one kick after another either fly 50 feet over everyone or drift behind before it reached the near goal post. Maybe this is what happens at Finch Farm. Maybe people are bored because after hours, there's never a successfully taken kick to defend? I am being sarcastic of course but I am puzzled how for so much practice we are so terrible on both sides of the corner situation.

Bill Gall
127 Posted 25/09/2019 at 14:56:22
Paul your reference to Liverpools culture, that is not just up to their present manager it is ingrained in the club and I believe it started when they hired Shankly,and that has been the reason they don't except failure from their managers.
John Keating
128 Posted 25/09/2019 at 15:13:02
fully agree.
When Shankly joined our neighbours they were well established in the 2nd division.
Everything about the Club was second division, players, attitude, training facilities everything.

Shankly started with Melwood, binned all the deadwood, Got the coaches, Paisley and Bennett on side and more importantly got the support on side.

Unfortunately, the rest is history.

I actually felt sorry for Shankly when he left. It was totally his decision, which he later regretted. By that time The RS were so professional and upward when Shankly tried to get back in he was politely told to piss off.

Remember he was all up for replacing Bingham.

Klopp inherited a Club with a culture and only needed Klippety to tweak it back on

Darren Hind
129 Posted 25/09/2019 at 15:45:39
When Monk took the Sheffield Wednesday job a couple of weeks ago he stated everyone would get a chance to force their way into his plans. He would be looking at them all.

He needn't have bothered. He only needed to come on TW and the Wednesday experts could have told him that the players he was looking at are not good enough (even though he has stated some impressed him).

Either Monk was really keen to impress his new bosses and fans by deliberately fielding a weakened team and making an immediate exit from the cup. . or he was doing exactly what he promised.

Still; Sky sports ignored the fact that he has only just got there and reported he was "resting" most of his first choice team.. . so it must be true

Lenny Kingman
130 Posted 25/09/2019 at 16:08:06
The last time a black Everton player scored 2 goals in a Cup tie against Sheffield Wednesday we lifted a trophy.

A way to go in this competition but is it a sign. Can the Blues go on to glory once more?

We have a sporting chance I would suggest. The bookies rate us a 14/1 shot.

Jay Harris
131 Posted 25/09/2019 at 16:16:05
I have always believed an important aspect was about partnerships and familiarity.

You need to know how your colleague prefers a pass and where he expects it.

I don't think there's much wrong with our passing. The issue seems to be about players making runs and receiving it so if the passer is not aware of that he turns all defensive and passes it sideways or backwards in an effort to retain possession.

Looking at the 2 goals last night the anticipation and passing was spot on. Now that may be due to the standard of defending but the principle remains the same. Make the right run and receive the pass.

Maybe we have to show more patience to allow the players to understand each others game more.

On the other hand the defending of set pieces is down to concentration and application which seems to be a major issue for us once again.

I would ban all headsets from FF. Leave them in the car lads until training is over. I would drill these routines day in day out until the message is received loud and clear.

Jay Harris
132 Posted 25/09/2019 at 17:27:37
LENNY I THINK THE POLITICALLY CORRECT TERM IS "Person of colour" and I hope we don't have to wait another 53 years to lift a trophy.
David Thomas
133 Posted 25/09/2019 at 18:14:38
I was at the match last night and to be honest I thought after the first 30 minutes the match was dire.

We got ourselves into the next round though which is the most important thing.

Dermot Byrne
134 Posted 25/09/2019 at 18:24:40
Jay... the term is changeable as we see many times since the 1960s but in the end, it is about intention. Let the linguists play around with terms.

Seems a reasonable post from Lenny.

Dermot Byrne
135 Posted 25/09/2019 at 18:26:29
David 133; was it just "job done"?

Fair enough for those who stayed at home. For you? Zzzz?

Mike Gaynes
136 Posted 25/09/2019 at 18:42:24
Laurie #95, yep, I have pointed that out previously. To be clear, we are the worst in the Prem from set pieces at both ends.

Kieran #126, last season the issue on our attacking corners was getting the ball over the first man. This season the kicks have been quite good but our attackers are almost never the first to them. The reason, to my eyes, is disorganization. Watch our opponents make choreographed, timed runs like Solanke did a couple of weeks ago with that flick on. We have no similar plan, just "put the tall guys in the middle and everybody jump." No matter how many hours are spent practicing set pieces in training, they are wasted hours if what's being practiced doesn't work. And Silva's system doesn't work. Ever.

Derek Knox
137 Posted 25/09/2019 at 19:37:58
David @133, thanks for telling us who didn't go exactly how it was after 30 minutes. I suspected so much as I listened to Radio Merseyside, and although it's hard to tell with Ronnie Goodlass sometimes, it didn't sound as though much was going on. Although I have to say that our fans could constantly be heard, cheering the team on.

Maybe the TV and Media have Mystic Meg working for them now, and predicted that it wouldn't be worth the cameras turning up. One thing they can never accuse our loyal travelling blues of not playing their part.

Jay Wood

138 Posted 25/09/2019 at 20:26:13
Opps! Joao Virginia's loan at Reading continues to go badly for him.

Started the season as their #1. Manager bought in a more experienced keeper who took his place. In the last round of this cup the third choice keeper was preferred to JV. Now back in the side tonight v Reading, this has just happened (as described by BBC text commentary):

Premier League side Wolves are in front but what a howler from the Reading goalkeeper.

Portuguese Bruno Jordao picks the ball up 30 yards out and lashes a low shot which is straight at compatriot Joao Virginia, but he shows misjudges it and ends up palming the ball into his own net.

A real howler.

Time to bring him back to Finch Farm...?

Robert Workman
139 Posted 25/09/2019 at 20:57:44
We are so much more creative when both Iwobi and Bernard play together -– not one replacing the other.
David Thomas
140 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:20:27
It certainly was just job done.

We were never in any danger as Wednesday were poor and didn't really put us under any pressure.

After the goals went in we had a few more chances but then after about 30 minutes we just started to be sloppy and gave the ball away and started passing it sideways and backwards.

There were a few who just seemed half asleep in the second half. Iwobi was probably the main culprit of this he just had one of those 45 minutes were it looked like he had never played before.

Sidibe was quite impressive though and I can see him starting in the league very soon.

Jerome Shields
141 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:24:37
I am just pleased with result and how the players played. Team selection was also good, by Silva.
Andy Crooks
142 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:27:44
Yes, Jay, more than any other position, confidence is it for the goalkeeper. This loan should never have happened and could be a career ender for him. Bring him home and give him time.
Mike Gaynes
143 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:41:11
Spurs went out last night, and Rochdale just equalized late at Old Trafford.

Ask those two sets of supporters, and they'll tell you that the win is all that matters. We won.

And by the way, the next time we go fishing for talent in the lower divisions, we could do worse than Matheson, the 16-year-old who just scored against ManUtd.

Sam Hoare
144 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:45:49
Our own Nathan Broadhead scoring for Burton against Bournemouth.
Jay Wood

145 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:50:38
Chance for Virginia to redeem himself, Andy. Reading equalised at the death and it's going to penalties.

Everton v Everton! John Ruddy in goal for Wolves, Joao for Reading.

Mike Gaynes
146 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:50:43
Man Utd have six minutes of stoppage time to avoid going to pens with Rochdale.

BTW guys, Wolves ownership reported in big trouble. They also own a big chunk of a certain travel agency.

Mike Gaynes
147 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:56:02
Pens at OT!!!
Mike Gaynes
148 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:56:29
Come on, Rochdale!!!!!
Jay Wood

149 Posted 25/09/2019 at 21:59:12
Nope! Joao Virginia couldn't prevent any penalties and Reading missed a couple. Wolves go through.
Mike Gaynes
150 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:06:01
Ah, shit. Man Utd through on pens.
David Pearl
151 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:08:19
Draw a couple mins away. Man City, Man Utd or the RS, I guess. Isn't it regionalised or something?
Tony Abrahams
152 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:09:25
I'd love to get United, Mike.
Paul Gallagher
153 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:12:49
Hopefully we don't draw against ball 9 or 10, Man City and the RS!
David Pearl
154 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:13:57
Yeah home v Watford
Rob Halligan
155 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:14:16
Watford at home.
Jay Harris
156 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:16:33
Not the best but at least we are at home.

Quite a few Prem teams playing each other.

Paul Gallagher
157 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:16:56
A game we could win, who knows what Everton team will turn up these days!
Jay Harris
158 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:17:37
Don't forget, Watford got to Wembley last year.

Liverpool - Arsenal that will do.

Jay Harris
159 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:18:48
Chelsea v Man Utd.

Guarantees quite a few of the lesser teams will be in the next round.

David Pearl
160 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:20:01
A few all Premier League ties. Opportunity to get to the last 8 with a home game. I still remember pacing up and down in my grandmas kitchen against Villa in '77. This is our year, it's just taken 42 years.
Jay Wood

161 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:20:44
And the Silva - Watford connection rumbles on.

That's a decent enough draw and four big teams drawn against each other to further thin down the competition.

You've got to feel for both Crawley and Colchester, though. Cruel to be drawn against each other rather than both getting a plum draw.

Jay Harris
162 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:22:19
At least it guarantees one of them will be in the last 8 Jay
Sam Hoare
163 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:22:29
Quite like that draw. Watford are not as good this season and if we beat them there's a decent amount of good clubs who will be out.
Tony Abrahams
164 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:23:18
The Imps, the Owls, and now the Hornets, not a bad draw especially because we can't ask for anything more than a home game.
Brian Williams
165 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:23:57
Our name's on this cup!
Mike Gaynes
166 Posted 25/09/2019 at 22:54:14
Our name is Carabao??
Derek Knox
167 Posted 25/09/2019 at 00:17:47
Mike G, had it been the Caribou Cup, we could have had a Stag Party!

Don't worry, I am currently looking at the possibilities, where's, Barry Venison when we need him?

Hi Ho Silva! You're in the Last Chance Saloon you varmint. Either put your knitting down and fight!

Silva replies, but I like knitting, I am making socks for all of my players, and hats too for the winter, I am hoping, while in the dug-out I have enough time to, embroider them too with their Names on each hat, a personal touch!

But Marco, we are (Everton) playing Man City next game. No problem, I will concentrate less on my handicrafts if they score more than three against us.

If they play well (Man City) I will make hats for them too, no embroidery, no names, and no socks!

Mike Gaynes
168 Posted 26/09/2019 at 03:06:34
DK, whatever you're drinking, mate, pour me one. Or two.
Jay Harris
169 Posted 26/09/2019 at 05:09:50
Sounds like just one will do, Mike.
Lenny Kingman
170 Posted 26/09/2019 at 06:55:55
Jay #132

"Say it out loud, I'm black and I'm proud."

The words of the great James Brown.

Joe McMahon
171 Posted 26/09/2019 at 08:36:03
Don't count yer chickens, guys. Remember the FA Cup Quarterfinal at home to Wigan! And some folk still want Moyes back.
Tony Abrahams
172 Posted 26/09/2019 at 09:22:14
I never went back to Goodison, until the start of the next season Joe, and only then because Moyes, had decided to leave Everton for the richest team in the world for not even a farthing.

I hated the way Moyes was in bed with Kenwright, and I hated the way they both turned my historic football club into “plucky little Everton”, and can still not believe that an Everton manager could still be in a job after not winning a fucking thing in 11 years.

Steve Pickering
173 Posted 26/09/2019 at 09:48:12
Everton's loanee Nathan Broadhead scored for Burton last night.
Dave Williams
174 Posted 26/09/2019 at 10:03:17
This competition is suddenly looking serious stuff. Spurs are gone, Man City should be through and two more of the big boys will be out. We have the beating of Watford and if the quarter-final draw is kind to us then away we go.

Granted we are not playing very well and there is plenty of improvement required before we approach Watford with the confidence we should have but sometimes you need a bit of luck, win scruffily and get a decent draw.

I see Saturday as important- ok we should lose this one but I am intrigued as to whether we lie down and let them score at will or do we fight, scrap, chase, press, tackle anything that moves and come out of it with some pride.

I think Saturday will tell us a lot about Silva and his players and, make no mistake, we need some points before the “R- word starts getting thrown around and the doom-mongers come out in force.

Derek Taylor
175 Posted 26/09/2019 at 14:05:37
Didn't I read that Moshiri disregards results against 'the big boys', believing that there are plenty of points to pick up from the no-hopers down the table ?
Steve Ferns
176 Posted 26/09/2019 at 16:22:08
Dave, we are likely to be 16th or 17th by Monday. I hope we can pull off an upset as falling that far will really heap the pressure on.

Big news coming out of Finch Farm is that Gomes is having a late fitness test for Man City, but the echo are reporting he's already out of that game and likely to be on the sidelines until mid-October. So that's our (presumed) first choice midfield pairing out injured for a prolonged period.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
177 Posted 26/09/2019 at 16:37:27
Tony #172 - yeah I hated the way he had turned us into "plucky Everton" where finishing best of the rest was considered an achievement from our historic football club who were perennial bottom half/relegation threatened.

Bring back those days where we had something to look forward to in May, albeit the must win to stay up last 3 games.

Tony Abrahams
178 Posted 27/09/2019 at 09:54:01
I see your point Phil, I understand your sentiment, but it's a good job we have never had to win our last three games to stay up mate.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
179 Posted 27/09/2019 at 10:46:49
Tony, thankfully we didn't! Before the Wimbledon game (which was a must win) we had taken 1 point from the previous 3 games and before Bolton in '98, lost the previous 2.

Moyes may frustrate because he did not bring back the days of Catterick and Kendall Mk1 but he did turn the turn the ship around and perhaps built the foundation for today's frustrations because we are not improving on where he left us.

Tony Hill
180 Posted 27/09/2019 at 11:30:49
Tony Evans is, of course, a Kopite and his piece in The Independent about us before the game tomorrow should be read with that in mind. But it is a cold assessment of the last 3 years or so, and where we now stand, and it is largely true. I am still concerned that at least some of the players aren't happy with Silva - a point which Evans states as a fact.

Nothing we don't know but it is sobering to see it in print. It is for us to turn this stark narrative on its head. Starting tomorrow.

Len Hawkins
181 Posted 27/09/2019 at 11:51:38
I don't want to keep repeating what I posted on the Delph thread but if you look at the perennial struggle even with vast amounts of Mosh's money being spent a load of different managers being employed without success, there is I am afraid only ONE face that is forever on the Annual EFC photo one teary eyed Chairman who seems to embrace mediocrity as part of being an Evertonian. Instead of blubbing at the drop of a hat isn't it about time he came out and laid down the law to the Manager Coaches and Players that things MUST improve. But no tiny tears accepts it and bullshits his way from one failed season to another. His Tenure is one of absolute FAILURE nothing more nothing less.
Gordon Crawford
182 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:02:57
Tony 164 that sounds like a chapter from LOTR. I wonder is Frodo available to be our next manager?
Mike Doyle
183 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:03:48
Slightly off topic, but chatting to one of my colleagues about why clubs (us included) bother with these pre-match press conferences.
They say nothing of any interest, so what purpose do they serve?
The journo's in attendance simply go through the motions of bland questions e.g. "Will - player x - be ready for Saturday?" but never ask anything of interest.
Is it just another Premier League requirement that they happen?
Steve Ferns
184 Posted 27/09/2019 at 14:17:36
Mike, I would love to go to one and grill the manager on tactics, formations and team selection. Sure, you can't reveal anything before the game, but doesn't marco talk to the written press off camera and they only print it after the game?

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