Crystal Palace vs Everton

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Evertonians will be waiting in anticipation of their first glimpse of new striking acquisition, Moise Kean

Everton's 2019-20 campaign kicks off at Selhurst Park this weekend where, had things gone a little differently in the transfer market, both Wilfried Zaha and James McCarthy might have been lining up against their former employers for new clubs.

As it is, only the deal for McCarthy was completed before yesterday's transfer deadline while Zaha was left fuming at Crystal Palace's board for blocking his move to Goodison Park. In any case, this weekend might have come too soon for the Ivorian who only returned to training last week following the Africa Cup of Nations but it's academic as far as the Blues are concerned — the move for Zaha didn't come off while Alex Iwobi became the final addition to Marco Silva's team this summer.

The Nigerian forward was secured in a deadline-beating deal from Arsenal and, while he won't have been registered in time to play for his new club tomorrow, his acquisition should provide a lift to a squad that will enter the new campaign in optimistic mood.

Alongside Marcel Brands, Silva oversaw the signing of six new players over the course of the close season in addition to the acquisition of André Gomes on a permanent contract, including cover for the vacancy left by Idrissa Gueye in the form of Jean-Philippe Gbamin and a new striking option in Moise Kean.

Despite those exciting incoming names, the Blues' line-up is likely to have a familiar look to it at kick-off against Palace. Seamus Coleman has fresh competition for his place from Djibril Sidibé but is sure to captain the side from right-back while Morgan Schneiderlin is expected to start in central midfield. He should be partnered with Gomes given the injury Fabian Delph picked up in the friendly against Werder Bremen and the fact that Gbamin might not be 100% match sharp.

By default, Yerry Mina will partner Michael Keane at centre-half in a pairing that will have to carry the Blues at least until January following the failure to replace Kurt Zouma, while the Brazilian duo of Bernard and Richarlison are the likely starters on the flanks.

That leaves the open question of whether the manager elects to throw Kean straight into the Premier League cauldron or go with Dominic Calvert-Lewin from the first whistle and unleash the 19-year-old in the second half. Either way, there will be plenty of anticipation from the travelling Blues as they hope to get their first look at the former Juventus striker.

With Zaha unlikely to play, either given his lack of readiness or simply his state of mind, Palace will be deprived of their most dangerous asset but they have welcomed Jordan Ayew back to the club after securing him on a permanent transfer from Swansea City and he will push for starting berth either against or alongside the likes of Andros Townsend and Christian Benteke.

In addition to McCarthy, they could also hand a debut to defender Gary Cahill who moved across London on a free transfer from Chelsea.

Given the lack of any significant signings by the Eagles this summer, Everton can expect a similar encounter to the one in late April, a match they dominated but ultimately failed to win, let down by a lack of quality in the final third. With Kean as a weapon and the two Brazilians hopefully raring to go to make an impression on the new campaign, that shouldn't be as big an issue this time around.

Having won their first League game just once in the last six years and not won an opening-day fixture away from home since 2001 (coincidentally it was at Palace's near neighbours Charlton Athletic), it would be a massive boost for the Blues to get the 2019-20 campaign off to a flyer with three points.

Kick-off: 3pm, 10 August 2019
Referee: Jon Moss
Last Time: Crystal Palace 0 - 0 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Mina, Digne, Schneiderlin, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin

Due to a perceived colour clash with Palace's home kit, the Premier League have requested that Everton play in their white change kit from last season for this fixture. The Blues' third kit, a dark blue number, isn't released until later this month.

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Kunal Desai
1 Posted 09/08/2019 at 06:45:51
No Zaha for Palace. Win this 1-0.
Nitesh Kanchan
2 Posted 09/08/2019 at 07:13:20
2-0 with Digne to score one with no Wan Bissaka against Digne and Bernard this time.
John Hammond
3 Posted 09/08/2019 at 07:28:25
Stick Kean straight in.

Although Zaha won't be playing this has 2-2 written all over it.

Bob Parrington
4 Posted 09/08/2019 at 07:49:20
If Kean is match fit why not start him? But is he likely to be?
Tony Everan
5 Posted 09/08/2019 at 07:54:40
''And insiders told Sportsmail that at one point Everton were struggling to get Palace to answer their calls and Eagles chiefs were 'dodging them (Everton) every way possible' such was the south Londoners determination to hang onto their prized asset.''

Looks like Zaha has been lied to about letting him leave, no wonder he is furious.

I am thinking we will keep this to 0-0 for the first half , but we have more quality than Palace and we will do just enough in the second half to get a narrow win.

Crystal Palace 0 Everton 1

Moise comes on for the last 20 mins and gets the winner.

Sam Hoare
7 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:04:24
Kean is a 19 year old kid, in a new country, who doesn't speak the language that well and has not played a single minute of pre-season. We really need to have patience with him and realistic expectations. He's not going to slot right in and get 15+ goals this season. He set himself the target of 7 I read.

Hopefully him, Gbamin and Iwobi will be on the bench to introduce if we need them and begin their assimilation into the team.

I think Lyndon's teamsheet looks correct and I don't think it will be a goal fest. I hope we can scrape a 1-0. Mina headerin the second half! Though I'd love DCL to get off the mark. Still think/hope he can get 10-15 goals for us this year.

Chris James
8 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:08:46
I think the line up above makes sense.
Kean, Gbamin and Sidibe hopefully all as subs along with Walcott, Holgate, Davies and Lossl on the bench.

Only question regards Mina - I thought he was banned for this absolutely ludicrous 'never happen if he was at Sky4' gambling thing?

Justin Doone
9 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:30:00
Securing Gomes was great business. Iwobi and Kean, similar to how I view Richarlison, a great attacking threat but will need time to fit in and adjust.

We are defensively week and with no Zouma or Gana the central area if statue Schnides starts is embarrassing.

Give the new lad Gbamin a start as CDM

Drew O'Neall
10 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:34:31
I would start Kean's integration immediately agains one of the league's worst teams, accepting that it will take 3-5 games to find his feet.
Marc Hints
11 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:45:07
My team for tomorrow would be:

Coleman Keane Mina Digne

Richarlison Gomes Delph Iwobi


If Delph is injured then go for Davies or Shniederlin next to Gomes

My subs would be:
Davis or Shniederlin
Touson or Walcott


Jerome Shields
12 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:55:57
Agree with the expected line up. My main concern is team fitness. They need to have come a long way from the pre season fitness level.
Marcus Choo
13 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:01:12
As far as results are concerned, I completely understand the cautious predictions above. Yes, we've had our share of false dawns, smashed hopes, snuffed expectations, etc. etc... But I'm still on a happy high from the recent transfer window that I'm going for a 5-1 win for us this weekend.
OK, going to lie down now let me know how they really did...
Sam Hoare
14 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:18:03
Kean is a 19 year old kid, in a new country, who doesn't speak the language that well and has not played a single minute of pre-season. We really need to have patience with him and realistic expectations. He's not going to slot right in and get 15+ goals this season. He set himself the target of 7 I read.

Hopefully him, Gbamin and Iwobi will be on the bench to introduce if we need them and begin their assimilation into the team.

I think Lyndon's teamsheet looks correct and I don't think it will be a goal fest. I hope we can scrape a 1-0. Mina headerin the second half! Though I'd love DCL to get off the mark. Still think/hope he can get 10-15 goals for us this year.

Daniel A Johnson
15 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:18:35
Does Iwobi start if so for who?

Does Kean start or do we let DCL have 60 min and give Kean the last 30 min?

Jimmy Hogan
16 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:21:47
The weather forecast for tomorrow is storms and lashing rain, so it may all end up as a bit of a lottery. Check your tickets Blues. Fortunately it looks as if I am about half way up.
James Hughes
17 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:21:49
Marco's press conference is interesting, especially how Morgan is important to us !!


Ray Roche
18 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:26:04
Iwobi wasn't signed in time so can't play.
Daniel A Johnson
19 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:31:54
Worried the Palace defenders could kick lumps out of Kean to intimidate him on a prem debut.

Palace are a poor side but our lack of goals in preseason is worrying. I expect to dominate but find it hard to get a goal for the win.

Laurie Hartley
20 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:43:50
I think Lyndon has got the starting eleven spot on in the circumstances but it would be nice to see Kean on for the final 20 minutes.

I am expecting big games from DCL and Bernard due to the competition they now face for their spots in the starting line up.

It will also be interesting to see how Schneiderlin performs. Silva gave him a good rap in his pre match conference. In fairness towards the end of last season he started to look something like the player he was when he first joined us.

Conor McCourt
21 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:45:19
I agree that we want to keep the team for the first month or so as familiar as possible as we don't want to lose points while the team is trying to gel.

I would go with the predicted team also and we will have a strong bench if needed to make the difference.

Sam while I agree that we shouldn't have too high expectations due to his age and first year I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised with Keans goal tally this year.

If Italian defenders struggle with you despite the little space you have to work with then he will have no problems here. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get at least double figures and anything else is a bonus.

Frank Sheppard
22 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:46:42
Not a bad time to play Palace. Team looks familiar despite all the transfer activity, although bench could look very interesting. Happy if we battled to a 1-0 win in the storm !
Jack Convery
23 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:22:51
On the BBC website gossip column this morning it states Chelsea will get him in January for £80m. If that's true then obviously it appears Chelsea have reached an understanding with CP - if that's the case no wonder they wouldn't sell him to us for £60m. Is it legal under the embargo for Chelsea to do this - if they actually have that is.
Derek Knox
24 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:36:38
Jack, can't see that happening with Zaha and Chelsea in January, as the ban extends to next Summer, unless it's a pre-contractual sort of agreement where he signs but remains at Palace.

Be interesting to see the starting line-up and hopefully lessons learnt from pre-season, otherwise a stale draw looks a strong possibility. Not overly keen to see Schneiderlin unless he plays like he did at the end of the last campaign.

Jack Convery
25 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:37:07
Something tells me 1 nil to them with Cahill scoring at a free kick or corner. I hope I am wrong and we put 3 or 4 past them not because of the Zaha stuff but its what we should be doing - WE ARE EVERTON after all and who the proverbial are they ?
Dave Williams
26 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:38:16
Start the new lads from the bench so they can get an idea of the pace of the game etc then introduce them with half an hour to go depending how the game is going. This can be invaluable to them as they can see what goes on and be ready for it rather than start the game and feel swamped.
Morgan did fine at the back end of the season and if in the right frame of mind will be decent for us this year as a squad player. Mina is well able to cope and in my opinion has been singled out by some for very unfair criticism.
We are well able to beat this lot with last seasons team if Marco gets them going for it and once the CBS get used to each other I think they will be strong.
Go for it boys!!
Paul Tran
27 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:54:30
I'd play Kean from the start and tell him he's got an hour to run amok.

I'd tell Keane, Mina and Holgate to take this chance while they have 4/5 months. I like all three and feel that it was the organisation and understanding that made us better defensively.

I'd tell Bernard and Siguurdson there's a guy who can't play tomorrow who's fast, direct and created more than them last season, so show me!

I've enjoyed watching people get steamed up about fictitious 'reports' in the media. Now the real thing's back - can't wait!

Derek Knox
28 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:59:18
I meant to mention before, that the fixture list couldn't have worked out better for us with no big games for a few weeks, and a chance to build up a head of steam.

Being the Devil's Advocate though, it's the smaller teams we have inexplicably struggled against, so I hope that trend is well and truly 'bucked', I did check the spelling after the previous, statement.

I also hope that also, if things don't look as though they are going to plan, Silva recognises this and makes changes from the bench and doesn't leave it till the last 5 minutes or so.

Jim Harrison
29 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:01:33
DCL to start, tell him to work the defenders as hard as he can. Kean on at 70 mins of fame not already in bag.

Palace are a big team physically. But without zaha they will rely on penalties and free kicks. They don't have batshit either this season.

Derek Taylor
30 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:15:17
Suspect we might get sight of Kean late in second half - particularly if we are trailing. Silva was slow in introducing new signings to the team last year and he is very much a creature of habit.

Top half is the likely destination for us this season, just another 'if only' campaign !

Raymond Fox
31 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:22:42
I think Lyndon's team is spot on. The new signings will sit this one out, its too soon to stick them into an away fixture, maybe next week for one or two.

Score wise the betting says a draw is the most likely result, with a win for us next and a win for them the least likely.
That's how I see it also, I think there will be three+ goals.

Tom Bowers
32 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:33:33
One assumes Silva will start with the familiar faces and gradually wean the new ones in, maybe a couple in this game and the others in the next few games.
We hope that they will all be fit and available soon and that a competent starting eleven will emerge to give us a bright start to the season.
Oliver Molloy
33 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:39:26
We should be beating Palace - end of story !
Pat Kelly
34 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:39:38
The predicted line-up is depressingly familiar. Silva us cautious and I doubt we'll see Kean. Can't see us scoring with DCL leading the line. I expect 0-0.
Frank Thomas
35 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:29:37
VAR and Handball.

This season VAR might help us a lot. Many experts have been wondering if VAR will be called to help in corner situations when defenders pull the shirts of the attackers so with someone like Mina ( on his good day) he could striker terror into the opponents defence and score a lot of goals.

Last season a lot of new players said they could not believe how much stamina was needed in the premiership and they found themselves tired after 65 mins for that reason I don't think we will start with Kean.

I would start with DCL and get him to attack with a view to be substituted in the 65th min unless he has scored a couple of goals. Since Liverpool were 'gifted' by a ball hitting someones arm every though it was no where or heading towards goal we might see the same thing this season.


Colman Keane Mina Digne

Gbamin (Delphi 80). Gomes


Richarlison Bernard (Tosun)

DCL (kean 65)

Christy ring
36 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:42:37
If Gbamin has trained all week I'd start him, because I think Morgan wanted out to Galatasaray, he knows he'll be on the bench with a fully fit squad. It won't be easy, but we need to start we'll. Cahill was a good freebie for Palace, would have made our bench
Denis Richardson
38 Posted 09/08/2019 at 13:10:04
So effectively we've lost Zouma and Gana from last years first team and replaced them with Kean, Iwobi and Gbamin. So from a first team perspective we have an extra player upfront, two extra in midfield and one less in defence.

Given they're all new and most signed very late in the window, we can't really expect much from any of them for the first few weeks as they get used to their new surroundings. So I guess for August at least the starting line up will be very similar to what we had last year and will predominantly be last years players.

All teams will be a bit rusty and settling in new players so it's hard to call the results. First and foremost we need to avoid losing and hopefully start the campaign with a win. We're generally crap in away games, especially in London, so a win at CP would be a massive boost and the newbies will have an extra week to settle in before Watford at home (where I do expect 3 points).

As mentioned, probably no Zaha for Palace so can't ask for a better time to play them. We played 6 away games in London last year and failed to score in 4 of them so hoping we can improve on this (last year at CP was 0-0).

Denis Richardson
39 Posted 09/08/2019 at 13:14:14
Also hope he wraps Digne in cotton wool as we don't have a back up LB.

Baines coming back from injury might just make the bench but Delph obviously out.

David Israel
40 Posted 09/08/2019 at 13:27:15
I agree with the team prediction. Portuguese coaches are known for their conservatism when introducing new signings.

As for the result, I guess 2-1 for us, with Richarlison scoring one of them.

Lev Vellene
41 Posted 09/08/2019 at 13:33:06
A perfect weekend for me would be Everton with 3 points come Sunday, yet behind Norwich on goal difference! Ahh, I can dream, at least.
William Gall
42 Posted 09/08/2019 at 13:52:55
Basically I think we will start with the same players as last season with Mina. replacing Zouma and Gbamin replacing Gueye.
Habib Erkan Jr
43 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:01:12
Lyndon's lineup is spot on imo and the we pick up where we left off at the of last season. Toffees win something nil.
Fran Mitchell
44 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:01:37
Kean to come on as a sub is the right move, no need to throw him in straight away. Ease the pressure off the lad, and he was killer off the bench for Juventus last season too.

Schneiderlin playing is a bit frustrating, but Gbamin only recently joined and his season ended late due to AFCON, so no rush.

So expect Lydon's lineup to be correct.

With a bench of :Lossl, Sibide, Holgate or Gibson, Gbamin, Walcott, Kean

Confident of a steady 2-0 win.

Daniel A Johnson
45 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:09:14
Last season we battered them for 90min at Selhurst park.

The only problem being we created two gilt edged chances waiting to be tucked away but they both fell to DCL, hence the 0-0 score line.

James Stewart
46 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:33:05
That is a massively disappointing predicted line up. Weaker than last season in fact.

I hope to see more exciting 433.

Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Gomes Gbamin Sigurdsson
Richarlison Kean Bernard

Michael Connelly
47 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:42:53
Don't be banking on Palace getting 0, if Keane, Mina, Schneiderlin and Gomes are the central quartet.
Chris Leyland
48 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:50:59
Is it true that we are wearing last year's white kit tomorrow as we can't wear either of our current kits due to them clashing with Palace kit?
Neil Copeland
49 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:54:10
Daniel #45, I went to Palace last season and agree with you.

Unfortunately I think it will be too soon for Kean to start but would hope he at least gets a run out for the last 20-30 mins.

Palace are no pushovers though and Roy will have them up for this. But got to think it's a great opportunity for us with them losing Wan Bassaka and Zaha unlikely to feature.

Brian Foley
50 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:08:33
Marc Hints, you put out good sides on here but please start spelling things correctly for god's sake.

Frank and anyone else: Delph (or Delphi) as submitted is fucking injured so he is not available to come on after 80 minutes.

Sorry, guys, off to the dentist, toothache.

Dave Abrahams
51 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:10:48
Schneiderlin ? I hope they leave him out with a view to selling him to Turkey during August, he had one good game versus Burnley (?) at the end of the season and he still did at least as he could in that game, he'd never ever start a game for me after his couldn't care less attitude for a good period of his Everton career.
Derek Knox
52 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:35:57
Dave A, like myself you are obviously a Schneiderlin fan (NOT) and if there is any remote chance he can go on loan to Turkey or anywhere, I can't see the point of even considering playing him.

Remembering we have no Gana, who covered for him on so many occasions, and even made him look okay in some games. Just say he played okay tomorrow, then he went to Turkey/Outer Mongolia/Moon personnel change would have to be made anyway so can't see the point.

I know JP Gbamin has only been with us a week, but he has obviously trained or had some pre-season with Monaco, if he's (Silva) that worried why not start with Tom Davies and then bring JP on for the last 30 mins or so!

Lev Vellene
53 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:40:09
Silva said Schneiderlin is going nowhere this window. I think he listed Gbamin and Schneiderlin as covering the same spot left by Gueye, so he's needed to keep two of each kind, I guess.
Fran Mitchell
54 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:41:03
palace are woeful, they lost their second best player, and their best player will likely not play. Beyond those I honestly can't think of a single palace player that would even get on our bench.

we will win this no problem. Richarlison and Digne for the goals is my prediction. 2-0.

And with the positive feeling around the club, and the negative one around Palace (Hodgeson complained at the lack of inward movement, until finally signing our crocked midfielder, the world beaters that are cardiff's spanish guy, and jordan ayew). If we get an early goal, we could batter them.

Jamie Crowley
55 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:42:14
I'd never in a million years start Kean. You don't throw the young investment immediately into the frying pan.

I fully expect to see him on 65 or 70 minutes as a sub.

2-1 Blues.

Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:43:35
Lev (53), thanks Lev, for being the bearer of bad news, I didn't know about that.
Josh Barber
57 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:46:14
I don't understand why Silva rates Schneiderlin so much. I wish Silva were clever enough to make a statement like that just to raise his price tag a little while they look to ship him out but nah... Everton and Silva tend to be too honest with a microphone in their face and give away our plans which works against us in the market (although Brands has done fantastic this window other than the CB).
Marc Hints
58 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:50:30
Apologies Brian Foley, hope tooth is ok and dentist wasn't to bad.
Sam Hoare
59 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:54:35
Hodgson has said that Zaha will play against us tomorrow. So I think we can all agree that its pretty nailed on he will score at least one goal!!

Shame as Palace without Zaha are fairly toothless. Now they will be able to counter attack us and be one of the first teams to try running at out new CB partnership without Gueye to protect them.

Aidan Wade
60 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:28:11
Kean might get a run out late but if we're winning by a goal, I expect he'll stay in the bench. His time will come.


Steve Ferns
61 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:30:33
"Due to a colour clash with the selected jerseys for the match officials, the Premier League have requested that Everton play in their white change kit from last season for this fixture."

What? None of our three kits for this season is acceptable? How on earth can we have three new kits and have to use one from last season?

Steve Ferns
62 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:31:35
Sam, Gueye didn't protect them. He's never played as a defensive shield. That's just not his game. Unless you mean by snuffing out trouble long before it reached their zone, then you would have a point.
Sam Hoare
63 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:35:25
Yes, Steve that's what I meant. Anyone making that many tackles and interceptions is easing the potential pressure on his (or her) defence.

If we have Gomes, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson in the middle tomorrow that will surely be one of the slowest midfield trios in the league and quite susceptible to the counter. Hopefully Delph gets fit and Gbamin gets adjusted asap.

Michael Connelly
64 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:49:49

Whilst you are picking up on spelling errors, could you please not put your name in capitals. I can only picture you SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR VOICE.

Derek Knox
65 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:05:36
Steve, I read that and it sounds ludicrous, talk about the tail wagging the dog, why can't the Officials change their kit there's only four of them, and eighteen of us with the bench?

Mind you being the Devil's Advocate I like the white kit, and we seem to play better in that number.

Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:13:40
Steve #62, that's exactly what he did. He protected our CBs from attacks on the ground by repeatedly taking the ball away in the middle of the pitch, via tackle or interception.

You'll see the difference in the early games this season, in the form of much greater opponent possession in front of our backline. We saw it when he missed games last year... opponents just coasted through our midfield at times.

Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:19:24
Michael #64, Brian is obviously a capital fellow.

Either that or he actually is screaming with the pain in his tooth.

John Boswell
68 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:19:53
No one has passed comment on the referee for tomorrow.
I would guess that we feel bullish about the outcome?
DCL to put at least one into the back of their net.
Rob Halligan
69 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:26:05
John # 68. I'll pass comment on tomorrow's referee.

He's the worst referee in the premier league!!

Derek Knox
70 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:27:43
Mike G @ 67, Brian has gone suspiciously quiet since his visit to the dentist, maybe he (dentist) reads TW, or is a RS Torture Monger!
Chris Leyland
71 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:31:14
Steve (61) because we don't have 3 kits for this year yet, just 2. The 3rd kit isn't launched until 23rd August. Must still be being designed by the work experience lad at Umbro.
Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:37:22
DK #70, I'm always suspiciously quiet after a trip to the dentist. Love those pain pills.

Rob #69, even worse than the Twin Lee Blimps, Mason and Probert?

Worse even than Pawson?

Rob Halligan
73 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:48:38
Mike, yes. Jon Moss is bloody useless. Mind you, they are all useless, but he's the worst of the lot. I bet you're better than him.
Lyndon Lloyd
74 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:56:07
Steve (61), I've amended that bit now. It's not the refs jersey but Palace's kit they think will clash. Regardless, our 3rd kit isn't out yet.
Steve Ferns
75 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:58:05
Sam and Mike, I feel he often was in positions and made tackles that he didn't need to make. Sure, he was successful and effective but he was almost treading on other people's toes. He was trying to do it all.

The midfield needs to step up collectively and do the work he used to do. It's hard work, not impossible work. If the boys work hard then we won't notice he's missing, except that when Gbamin wins the ball he will carry it forwards himself and hit a few nice passes.

Unless the complaints about his decision-making holds true, and then we have another Barkley situation on our hands!

Steve Ferns
76 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:59:04
Thanks for the clarification, Lyndon.
Sam Hoare
77 Posted 09/08/2019 at 18:35:50
Steve@75, I'm optimistic about Gbamin and he looks a real athlete, able to cover ground and recover if necessary.

Till he is settled in the team though I'm worried we will be vulnerable with Gomes, Davies and Schneiderlin all lacking that burst of pace to make quick adjustments.

The likes of Richarlison and Kean do not retain the ball very well so it will be interesting to see how Silva sets us up to defend against counters.

Brian Foley
78 Posted 09/08/2019 at 19:50:27
Marc, okay thanks, it did hurt, you'll be pleased to know, but that's just (too) bad, just saying.

Michael, was hurting sorry can't change caps at present.

Mike, thank you. I am a capital fellow in Cardiff stewarding Glamorgan v Essex.

Derek, you are correct, incredibly he is a red and only 200 miles from Anfield (sorry about that spelling Marc)👍

Let's make a statement tomorrow. Pickford; Coleman Keane Mina Digne; Gomes Gbamin; Sigurdsson. Iwobi Kean Richarlison. Bernard and Calvert-Lewin if we are on top or Schneiderlin to tighten up.

Have a good season lads; keep up the banter. 😎

Martin Berry
79 Posted 09/08/2019 at 20:13:15
Lyndon, I think you have called it just right with your assessment and possible line-up.
Jamie Evans
80 Posted 09/08/2019 at 20:39:30
Gonna be tight tomorrow. Full support.
Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:16:13
Déjà vu feeling for me, with a bunch of new signings who are either literally just in the door, or haven't had much of a pre-season. Same thing this time last year at Wolves when Richarlison was the only newbie to get a start.

In the intense atmosphere of the Premier League, it is a bit frustrating that it may be a month before the newcomers are up and running but it is what it is. Like several posters, I expect to see Kean come off the bench. I also think he will score, and win a penalty, that I hope Sigurdsson isn't allowed to take.

Tom Bowers
82 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:26:05
Certainly appears a case for more optimism regarding tomorrows game than the same stage last year.

Can't see Palace giving us anything new to worry about unless something goes pear-shaped early on screwing up the best-laid plans.

Richarlison should be well-rested and rarin' to go so it's a question of the discipline to play a compact, tight game to take the home crowd out of it. Zaha may not start and the others, Ayew and Benteke, are average at best. Townsend is dangerous but only in spurts... but anyway, no matter which wing he opts for, Seamus and Digne are quite capable of taking care of him.

Derek Knox
83 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:27:19
Kieran, good point there about a possible penalty, I would designate Lucas Digne as the official penalty taker if it was down to me, which it isn't, just like Baines used to be.

Not sure who is the official penalty taker for us?

Kieran Kinsella
84 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:29:00
Derek 83

I am not sure either but I sure as Hell hope Mirallas doesn't run onto the pitch and grab the ball to try and take it. Digne sounds like a good shout to me.

Sean Kelly
85 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:32:02
Here's hoping for three points tomorrow. Let's put the pressure on them from the start and show zaha what he's missing.
Derek Knox
86 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:45:10
Kieran, Sean and whoever else, I mentioned on another thread that the fixture list this season has been kind to us, in the fact that we don't face any of the Big 6 (?) for quite a few weeks. However it is these sort of games against eventual bottom half contenders that historically we seem to struggle to carve anything out of.

Let's hit the ground running, as I am a strong believer that wins breed confidence, as long as complacency is not allowed to creep in.

Kieran Kinsella
87 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:49:41
Let's hope so Derek. I read the BT Sports super computer predicts our best start ever before a mid season slump and 8th place finish. Hopefully our new signings can turn that 8th into something a little higher!
Steve Ferns
88 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:50:45
Bernard Sigurdsson Richarlison
Gomes Gbamin
Digne Mina Keane Coleman

Subs: Kean, Tosun, Walcott, Schneiderlin, Sidibé, Holgate, Lossl

John Mckay
89 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:54:57
If our players in the middle of the park are that slow, the front 3 or 4 will need to press palace high up the pitch.

Always a tough game away at palace.

Be nice to absolutely destroy these tomorrow and make a statement to the rest of the league that we mean business.

Pretty much the same team that done so well last season towards the end. Gueye was out for a while if I remember injured and we didn't miss him too much. But agree he has been our best player pretty much since he arrived.

I rate Mina too he just needs to stay fit and injury free.

Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 09/08/2019 at 22:56:27
Funny though, all the talk of no CB, and waiting on new players to get settled in. It still baffles me that in 1987 we somehow won the league having relied on the likes of Kevin Langley, Neil Adams and Warren Aspinall. I guess modern day equivalents would be Nathan Broadhead, Josh Bowler and Fraser Hornby. No pressure lads.
Steve Ferns
91 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:01:32

C. Palace (a) 0-0 D
Watford (h) 2-2 D
Villa (a) n/a
Wolves (h) 1-3 L
Bournemouth (a) 2-2 D
Sheff Utd (h) n/a
Man City (h) 0-2 L
Burnley (a) 5-1 W
West Ham (h) 1-3 L
Brighton (a) 0-1 L

Whilst a very winnable set of fixtures takes us up to November when we play Spurs at home, it's worth noting that we only beat one of those sides last season!

Another way to look at it though, is if we can win those games that we should have won last season but failed to do so, then we can build on our 54 point haul of last season. My goal for Everton would be to beat 65 points. By beating Watford, Wolves, and West Ham at home, we would have 7 more points than last season, whilst reversing the defeat away to Brighton would give us 10 most points than last season and so we'd have secured 10 of those 11 extra points we needed by November. This would mean that we could really push on for the top 6.

Jamie Crowley
92 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:25:28
Liam -

I'd argue to crack Top 6, three points is the minimum.

We simply have to beat these teams home and away.

Will we? No. It never works out that way. But for every team we drop points to, we need to make up for it, with points against the Top 8 or so teams.

This is what truly good teams do. They win the games they are supposed to. And we're in desperate need this season to get off to a good start.

We had some easy games early days last season, and we didn't get maximum points. It hurt us in the end.

The bar has to be higher this season. We need to go into games like Palace and expect and demand three points. Games against the likes of Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, and Watford, we need to think the same, but understand a point on the road is a good point against those teams.

Dropping points to Newcastle, Palace, et al on the road is still, for me, unacceptable. If we're half as good as we think we can be this season, we need to be ruthless and bury these teams.

No excuses. Expect and demand results for me.

It's year two of Silva's regime. We have to give him three years. But plodding along under 60 points for me isn't good enough. And that starts and ends with road games against the bottom half of the league.

Everton's problems have been down, in part, to a lack of focus over the years. Disappearing on the road to Fulham, shitting the bed when they travel to Southhampton, etc. It's ridiculous a Club like Everton can switch off and accept a "bad day at the office" like that.

This is where Silva earns his corn. No more shite games at Millwall. No more garbage at Watford. We're going to lose games. Lose them against the teams that should beat us, not the teams that aspire to join our "Big Club" status. Get the players focused, and if they don't perform, they should be out the next game for a hungrier player who won't accept losing to inferior opposition.

Ruthlessness. That's what I want from Silva this year.

And that starts tomorrow. Nothing but three points is acceptable.

Why? Because we're a better freaking team than they are!

Steve Ferns
93 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:37:47
Jamie, see my post at #91. I think we need 65 points, so that's 11 more than last season. By November, I think we can secure 10 of those 11 by winning just those 4 more games, and that includes a draw away at Palace.

65 points was only good enough for 7th last season, but I think Man Utd will struggle to repeat 66 points, and so 65 would be enough for 6th, and probably even 5th, as I think Lampard's Chelsea might struggle. I'm also not convinced by Arsenal.

Chelsea only need to drop 7 points on last season to get down to 65 and Arsenal 5. I think the mid section of the league is stronger than ever and so 65 would be enough. You should be able to get Champions League football with 70 points as well, but one step at a time.

Neil Wood
94 Posted 10/08/2019 at 00:16:50
Derek @ 83. Give it the striker. Calvert-Lewin or Kean. Goals breed confidence.
Si Smith
95 Posted 10/08/2019 at 00:28:46
A nice 2-1 win tomorrow I think, Zaha will start, he will be a menace, but we have too much for Palace imo.

The above side played really well towards the end of last season, I can see us starting this way with the options of a few of the new lads off the bench.

A long season ahead to blood the new boys.

Jay Harris
96 Posted 10/08/2019 at 00:53:38
I have a sneaking suspicion that he will play 3 at the back tomorrow with Holgate, Keane and Mina; Seamus and Digne wingbacks with Schneiderlin inside them. Sigurdsson and Gomes; Kean or Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison.

0-2 to the Blues.

With no Wan-Bissaka and Zaha likely missing, they are there for the taking.

Graham Hammond
97 Posted 10/08/2019 at 01:10:39
Kieran #90,

Yes, it was amazing we won the League in 1987 with the likes of Kevin Langley in Midfield but other fill-in players such as Paul Power and Alan Harper really stepped up and performed superbly for us that season.

That is now history and, looking to the current situation, I am hugely concerned about the lack of pace in the centre-back position. Keane and Mina cannot run and have poor instantaneous speed. The Zouma loss coupled with the loss of Gana Gueye is making me very anxious and my worry is that players such as Digne and Richarlison will not stick around very long in a team that ships goals and is not moving forward.

A tall and pacey CB was for me the absolute top priority this Summer and in that regard Brands and Silva have failed to deliver. Hopefully, Palace will not quite have enough to exploit our weakness and Gbamin will hit the ground running and will start to prove exactly why he was brought in. Fingers crossed, we really do need to take something from this game.

David Cash
98 Posted 10/08/2019 at 06:55:59
We're taking my grandson to his first game today. Unfortunately the only way to get tickets together was to buy them for the home section.
No biggee. We'll enjoy ourselves whatever.

The Little fellas had us all up since 5 o'clock.


Paul Curwen
99 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:00:53
Morning does anyone know of away friendly pubs around Selhurst?
Paul Kelly
100 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:31:01
There's a Wetherspoons straight outside Thornton Heath Station. Plenty of blues in there the last couple of seasons Paul. Enjoy.
Paul Curwen
101 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:36:28
Cheers Paul I'll have one for you :)
Paul Kelly
102 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:47:50
Have several mate, that's the way to roll!!!!!!!!!
Paul Kelly
103 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:47:50
Have several mate, that's the way to roll!!!!!!!!!
Paul Curwen
104 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:51:08
Several indeed.. . couple on the train. Happy days
Gary Carter
105 Posted 10/08/2019 at 08:23:53
I still can't believe we didn't sign Zaha, he would have been a real season changer for us bringing 20-25 goals, assists and penalties to the table. Guaranteed proven goal threat with pace. It's criminal we didn't sign him when we had the chance and epitomises the small club mentality that engulfs our club.

We are weaker at the heart of our defence. We are weaker in the heart of our midfield which will be Gomes and Schneiderlin today and we have still not signed a proven goal scorer since Lukaku left, I really hope Kean proves to be that player but I would put money on Calvert Lewin starting today, who knows, maybe today will be on of those 1 every 9 games that he actually scores !

As much as I'd like to see this through my blue tinted glasses I don't see much more than 8th or 9th place this season and really can't understand all this talk of top 6, we have not signed players that will get us in the top 6, we have done the usual 20 million pound outlay that keeps us treading water, very disappointing

Mike Gaynes
106 Posted 10/08/2019 at 08:31:50
Gary #105, Zaha's career high in goals is 10.


And you were expecting "20-25" goals???

Plus assists and pens?

Please share whatever you're smoking, because your fantasies are technicolor spectaculars.

I would have been pleased if we had signed him, but it's hardly "criminal" that Palace wouldn't go along. And your expectations of what he would have done are simply extra-terrestrial.

Tommy Surgenor
107 Posted 10/08/2019 at 08:54:17
I am fully aware of how astoundingly stupid this is going to sound but hear me out...

I think loosing Gana might be a blessing in disguise. He won the ball back (and this is the stupid bit) often too high up the pitch while it was still congested in that area.
We were not good enough to work our way out of the congestion in a way that would create a goal scoring chance so more often than not we had to recycle the ball backwards and allow their defence to retreat and get set.

Letting teams come onto us 5 yards or so more will open up more space in behind to counter and abuse the obvious pace and power we now have in the side.

PS: because of this I think Iwobi will displace the Bernard. Bernard is more guile and intricacies to Iwobis pace and power.

Ian Jones
108 Posted 10/08/2019 at 08:55:29
Mike, I read Gary's 20-25 number as the total for goals, assists and pens which isn't too much off what would have been expected.

On a different note..had a dream last night that Everton beat Liverpool 3-2 at Anfield. 3 nil up at half time. Liverpool scored 2 late goals to set up a nervy finish. Who knows what this season brings

Tony Twist
109 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:36:59
It has got to be;
Coleman, Keane, Mina, Digne,
Siggy, Gomes,
Richarleson, Bernard,

None of this, let them bed in, let them develop as team and think on their feet and possibly be stronger for it. Best of luck blues, let's have an opening game of the season win for a change.

David Pearl
110 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:50:43
Ian, who scored the first goal?
Ian Jones
111 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:57:41
David, only got the score, so can't help 😀
David Pearl
112 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:59:59
David Cash

Have a great time today. I haven't got a grandson yet, still waiting.

Anyway, One game at a time. We are better all over the park so let's get the win today and keep that momentum.


Kim Vivian
113 Posted 10/08/2019 at 10:13:46
Good luck to all you blues travelling today, safe travelling.

Let's hope for a decent three points to kick start this campaign. Travelling up from Kent for my first game for awhile (with a very good RS mate who got the tickets) so a few bevvies up at Lon' Bridge then off to the game. Hope to see at least 20mins or so of Kean, Gbamin etc but probably something pretty close to Lyndon's 11, and hope also the RS will be behind us on GD tomorrow!

Cheers all - have a good one.

Paul Curwen
114 Posted 10/08/2019 at 10:26:56
Kim. I'm heading up from Kent also. hope the wind isn't affecting the trains too much :(
Ciarán McGlone
115 Posted 10/08/2019 at 10:38:05
People need to get over Zaha.

He is worth nowhere near the reported price. I'm glad we didn't sign him for anything north of 40mill.

If you overpay for a player there is almost an obligation to play them... the Sigurdsson effect.

Iwobi is a better signing.. great potential and once he has his rough edges sanded down we will have a great talent on our hands.

Kim Vivian
116 Posted 10/08/2019 at 10:40:46
Where are you travelling from,Paul?
It'll be blustery but it's the coast that's suffering I think. We should spank them but playing away and the weather might be a leveller. I'm up from TW, meeting for lunch time beer at L Bridge and then 10mins down to Norwood Jcn for the game.

Paul Curwen
117 Posted 10/08/2019 at 10:59:46
Travelling up from sunny Chatham Kim meeting another lad in the Wetherspoons outside Thornton Heath station.
Stu Gore
118 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:07:41
Before the first game of the season. Peak Optimism! We will win 4-0. Digne, Charlie with 2 and a Coleman header. The start of the glorious march to league glory. The beginning of a period of title dominance that will carry us into Bramley Moore as we sweep aside all domestic and European rivals. Club legends all of ‘em.

Speak later at 16:55 when we have 2-2'd. It's always bloody 2-2. Everton that.

Kim Vivian
119 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:08:22
Have a good afternoon, Paul. COYB
Paul Curwen
120 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:10:22
And you too Kim UTFT !!!
Brian Wilkinson
121 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:11:46
Our last three starts of the new season have all ended up 2-2, so could be a bit of value there for a 4th 2 all.
Liam Fitz
122 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:35:25
Does anyone know how to pay for Canadian dazn? $150 for a year for all the games seems a bargain. Just can't get my payment to accept
John Keating
123 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:37:14
If we are serious about finishing higher than last season then taking advantage of our "on paper" easier start is a must.
A win today, no matter how or by what score has to be achieved. Get the confidence up and ease the pressure.
David Milner
125 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:51:38
Liam depends where you are living. I live in Spain & it costs 9.99 euros per month. It would not accept a UK card only a Spanish one. Maybe Canada DAZN would have to be on a Canadian Card.
Liam Fitz
126 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:52:14
Yeah that's the problem. I was hoping there's a way around it
Dermot Byrne
127 Posted 10/08/2019 at 11:56:08
Shit folks. Are you excited, expecting fantastic displays and probably at least top 4?

God I am. As I am every year before first kick off.

58 and still going on 10.


Andrew Clare
129 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:04:12
Same here Dermot. Looking forward to a slick, fast performance from our boys today. Hopefully the new signings will more than make up for the loss of Idrissa and Kurt. My son will be there today so for him and all the Evertonians everywhere have a great day.
Jerome Shields
130 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:05:39
Tommy #107

I think you are right, Gueye in such a situation having won the ball was prone to taking the chance of a long inaccurate pass. I also think that with PSG he will have problems with this. Hope I am wrong.

Raymond Fox
131 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:11:23
I say the same every away game whoever we are playing. 'Its difficult to win away'.
Same today, were playing against the crowd and usually the ref favours the home side, maybe every so slightly but it counts.
Of course I want us to play brilliant and win but a solid draw will do for starters.
I don't think Silva will start any of the new signings, he will probably play safe with the players he knows well.
Rob Marsh
132 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:19:22
Andrew # 129

I wouldn't be surprised if they just cancel each other out, first game of the season, they won't want to lose, a point away is good result even when in full flow later on in the season.

With players not to sure of themselves or their team mates around them, most will rely on the physical side rather than flair.

Two different opinions, but I really hope yours is the correct one.

Annika Herbert
133 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:25:06
Gary@105, it, s not a small club mentality to not pay over the odds for a player, it, s sensible. Although I do think Zaha is a good player, there is no way on Gods earth that he is worth £80 million. Nor, as you suggest, is there any guarantee that he would provide us with 20/25 goals, assists and penalties every season. He did. nt exactly set the world alight whe he was at Utd did he?
We have signed some quality players though and it would not surprise me in the least to see us finish in the top 6. A lot will obviously depend on how our defence performs for that to happen though. I, for one, was extremely pleased that Everton decided not to pay the ridiculous amount that Palace were asking for a player worth no more than £60 million tops
Derek Knox
134 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:25:10
Liam @ 122, if I may suggest, try a VPN (Virtual Private Network) they are fairly cheap, IP Vanish is a very good one. Basically you can set it to disguise your IP Address, to any Country of your choosing.

At the end of the day, these companies want your money but are sometimes restricted by Licensing Laws within the Country. I can't guarantee it will work but it has for me often in the UK for viewing 'restricted channels'. Only get the Trial or minimum subscription (1 month VPN) $9.99/month in case it doesn't work then get the Bi-Annual-cheaper about $3.50/month.

Hope that helps, let us know if it does, it may help other TW'ers too!

Steven Astley
135 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:31:21
Absolutely ridiculous organisation by the club not releasing the 3rd kit earlier, resulting in us wearing last years away strip today.
David Cooper
136 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:31:29
You have to be in Canada to get DAZN! I have got it but had to find a way buy it in Can$. Tricky because my IPad and computer are all on UK settings! Any way I have it in on one of my TVs!
Rob Marsh
137 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:38:51
Annika # 133

The £60m is also about the absolute max I would have paid only if we were his first choice club (and not the Gooners). And that's in an already inflated market.

Had we have paid £80m+ he would have demanded £200k pw and said "I'm an £80m player pay me!".

We dodged the bullet on that one, but now I'm nervous our DOF and manager don't really know what they're doing. If they were using Zaha as leverage on other players, well done, but if they were serious?

Martin Mason
138 Posted 10/08/2019 at 12:42:42
We won't know how the new players will impact on the team for maybe 10 games meanwhile we will be last year's team less Zouma and Gueye. That they have gone doesn't mean we'll necessarily be weaker only that we need different tactics. Prepare to be disappointed but prepare to be pleasantly surprised.
William Gall
139 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:19:19
Liam I guess you have to live in Canada. I paid the $150 and am watching DAZN now, the Brizbane Darts Master. every game including Everton v Palace is on.
Jerome Shields
140 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:24:09
Steven #135 Agree
Liam Fitz
141 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:36:25
I tried a VPN but it's the Canadian payment I was missing.

Glad some have it working. How did you pay in Canadian $'s??

Michael Lynch
142 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:42:51
VAR absolute fucking joke. Third City goal disallowed after minutes of nonsense for Stirling being half a toenail offside. This season is going to be absolutely destroyed by this shit. Ridiculous.
Mark Frere
143 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:44:41
Liam, buy yourself IPTV subscription. You get all 3 o clock kick offs and every single TV channel. It only costs about £50 quid a year on average. Its sold on eBay and plenty of sites on the internet.
Michael Lynch
144 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:44:49
"his armpit was offside". I am speechless.
Jamie Crowley
145 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:46:41
Michael -

I thought it was only "clear and obvious" situations that would be reviewed.

As a backer fo VAR, I have to say that goal chalked off is ridiculous. Should have stood all day long!

Offside by the hair in his armpit!

David Hallwood
146 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:48:20
But wht do we need an away kit to play Palace?
Michael Lynch
147 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:49:10
Jamie, so did I! It took so long to decide the hair on his armpit was offside that surely it wasn't a "clear and obvious" error.

Imagine that happening at Goodison after we take the lead against the RS? I don't want to be over-dramatic, but I was taking the piss out of people on here who were saying it would stop them going to the match, and for the first time I'm not sure I disagree.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:49:11
Liam @ 141, have you tried using Paypal, they don't charge for Conversion Rates etc, you pay in your currency and it goes through in whatever Currency is being asked for?
Dermot Byrne
149 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:49:35
Love VAR. Offside is offside whether you are Citeh, RS or Norwich.

As our club had worst record of bad decisions against us last season I am a big supporter of it.

Jamie Crowley
150 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:51:53
Michael -

It will organically change and find its proper place in overturning absolutely shitty calls / no-calls.

That call in the West Ham - City game is an example of when VAR should NOT intervene.

There will be growing pains. But stopping the robberies that occur and can actually mean the difference between a team staying up or going down is well, well worth it.

The growing pains will be severe at points when VAR "over-reaches".

Sean Kelly
151 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:52:10
Here we go folks. A season of what ifs, buts and maybe's. I hope everyone is ready for the roller coaster ride.
Here's hoping the shite fall spectacularly and we replace them in the top four.
Dreaming already and not a ball kicked yet.
Sean Kelly
152 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:52:11
Here we go folks. A season of what ifs, buts and maybe's. I hope everyone is ready for the roller coaster ride.
Here's hoping the shite fall spectacularly and we replace them in the top four.
Dreaming already and not a ball kicked yet.
Derek Knox
153 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:53:52
Dermot, how dare you bring the dubious integrity of officials into question, but now you mention it, I think you're probably spot on mate!
Dermot Byrne
154 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:53:57
Now is exactly the time to dream Sean. Good on you.
Jamie Crowley
155 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:54:57
One of my favorite days of the year, but missing my "mate", Steve Ashcroft, today.

Odds are we'd be watching the opener together this morning in America.


Michael Lynch
156 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:55:52
Dermot, I take your point, but surely if it takes that long to come to a decision, and the decision is so marginal, wouldn't it be better to put a limit on the length of VAR decision - if they can't see it in five seconds, or it's a very fine margin, then it's referee's decision like in cricket.
Dermot Byrne
157 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:56:47
Derek don't know about you but I have never seen a ref buckle due to the media profile of a rich club. Well not since last season anyway!
Dermot Byrne
158 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:58:21
No Michael. We just go back to insane bad decisions against likes of us.
Derek Knox
159 Posted 10/08/2019 at 13:59:03
Jamie C, thoughts are with you bro, hope for a win today, 'dedicated to Steve Ashcroft'. Hopefully see you on the Live Forum later.
Michael Lynch
160 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:00:25
Dermot, nobody in the stadium would have said it was an insane bad decision to allow that goal today.
Michael Lynch
161 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:01:52
Another beauty from Citteh though but I bet VAR rule it out again
Sean Kelly
162 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:02:31
I've been dreaming for years Dermot. They do come through on the odd occasion like winning a league or a cup. The sheer joy of those few occasions is surpassed by knowing them turds across the Park dropped the ALL important points against us last season. Still pissin meself laughing or is that old age?
Steve Ferns
163 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:02:31
Schniderlin starts. Gbamin and Kean on the bench.

Pretty much as expected.


Bernard Sigurdsson Richarlison

Schneiderlin Gomes

Digne mina Keane Coleman


Subs: Lossl, Holgate, Gbamin, Davies, Walcott, Tosun, Keane

Michael Lynch
164 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:02:45
Armpit onside this time!
David Pearl
165 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:03:51
I'm sure you will miss your time watching the blues together but he's with you in memory. And still remembered here! All the best. Lets hope we start as we mean to go on.

Zaha on the bench. Schneiderlin as expected and no other surprises. Strong bench!

Gary Fenton
166 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:04:26

Everton XI v Palace: Pickford, Coleman (c), Mina, Keane, Digne, Schneiderlin, Gomes, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
Subs: Lössl, Holgate, Gbamin, Davies, Walcott, Tosun, Kean.

Michael Lynch
167 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:05:29
Our bench is very attacking. Wonder if Kean will get any time? Kind of hoping Silva saves him for next Saturday so we can give him a proper debut welcome
Derek Knox
168 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:06:35
Steve, so we start with 10 men. :-)
Jamie Crowley
169 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:07:47
DK TYVM. :0)
Steve Ferns
170 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:08:09
Zaha is on the bench for them.
Gary Carter
171 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:08:11
A pitifully predictable line up from a small club mentality that just will not move no matter who owns the club or manages the team. If Kean is good enough he is ready, it's Crystal Palace and a chance for him to show what he can do, instead we play it safe with someone we know that has the strike rate of Tim Howard. I absolutely despair at the clubs mentality, missed chance to make a statement signing that would actually give us a genuine chance of top 6 when we didn't get Zaha then we buy one of the hottest striking talents in Europe and put him on the bench for a player that averages one goal every nine games !!!!
Jamie Crowley
172 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:09:01
TY David. Sun's out, Ash wouldn't want gloom. Smile and onwards!
Paul Smith
173 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:09:12
Starting line up is a weaker team than we finished with last season.
Jamie Crowley
174 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:10:20
I thought Zaha got tossed out of practice just yesterday?

Surprised he's on the bench. Would love to see him subbed in and just go through the motions, barely trying.

Which actually provides an argument why we are fortunate we didn't sign him! ;0)

Denis Richardson
175 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:11:35
Nervous about where the goals will come from with that starting line up as well as Mina and Keane at the back.

Then again am nervous whenever we play

Kieran Kinsella
176 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:11:58
Gary Carter 171

How is it a "small town" mentality to have Kean on the bench? Surely if he is so good, a small town mentality would be to play him as number ten with the tactic that everyone has to give him the ball

Jamie Crowley
177 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:13:07
God Man City are just a fucking really good team.
Kieran Kinsella
178 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:15:11
Jamie 174

See that is the "small town" mentality from Palace as opposed to what Gary was trying to suggest. Zaha is throwing a tantrum and sulking but "he is still our best player so if all else fails we will chuck him on and everyone just get the ball to him."

Dermot Byrne
179 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:15:33
Exactly the right starting line up. The new lads watch and see the team and game until they come on.

Also, we don't risk early injury to them in the first manic 20 mins of a new season.

Small club mentality my arse.

Grant Rorrison
180 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:15:50
Might struggle to finish ahead of West Ham this season.
Kieran Kinsella
182 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:22:21
To those unhappy with our signings and our "small time" mentality. Reality check. Here is our line up for opening day in 2008. 7 defenders, Leon Osman, and three others. Look at the bench also.

24 Tim Howard
18 Phil Neville
4 Joseph Yobo
5 Joleon Lescott
19 Nuno Valente
10 Mikel Arteta
26 Jack Rodwell
6 Phil Jagielka
3 Leighton Baines
21 Leon Osman
22 Yakubu Aiyegbeni

12 Iain Turner
27 Lukas Jutkiewicz
32 Dan Gosling
35 Kieran Agard
36 John Paul Kissock
37 Jose Baxter
38 James Wallace

David Milner
183 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:22:46
Thought it was strange Grant, your humour holds no bounds.
Gary Carter
184 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:24:45
176 Kieran I find it a small club mentality because they are scared to play him, worried he needs to bed in, overly cautious, it epitomises our cautious small club mentality. We have just made a statement signing a top European talent. If he's good enough for Juventus why is he not good enough to start against palace. The top clubs aren't scared and cautious like we are, they are brave and confident and that's why we never reach their levels
Dermot Byrne
185 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:31:29
Enjoy the season and the game Gary.

Think you just scored for Palace

Tony Twist
186 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:36:43
Show some adventure Silva and inject new blood into the team. Cowardly team selection.
David Milner
187 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:47:08
But we don't know how fit the new signings are Tony. Gbamin & Kean may not be fit enough for a full game. Probably 15 minutes at present, next week will be different.

Delph is injured, Iwobi is not eligible, Sidibe has not trained with us yet.

Gary Carter
188 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:52:11
186 Tony Twist spot on, it's the play it safe and go with what we know mentality that has and will prevent us from progressing
Brian Williams
189 Posted 10/08/2019 at 14:58:10
Yeh let's throw in brand new players who've had next to no time to integrate and who may not be 100% match fit, Gbamin himself said it would probably be the Watford game before he was ready.
Really childish some of these comments.
Denis Richardson
190 Posted 10/08/2019 at 15:01:06
Kieren, 182, not disagreeing with your point but I think at least 6 if not 7 of that starting XI from 2008 would get into our current team without too much of a problem.

That bench however is god awful!

Colette Black
191 Posted 10/08/2019 at 15:02:10
"Childish", Brian - that's very diplomatic of you.
Brian Williams
192 Posted 10/08/2019 at 15:09:16
Sorry Colette I should have said "childlike."
Steve Ferns
193 Posted 10/08/2019 at 15:56:46
Played well in defence and midfield. How did Sigurdsson miss that sitter? Then he sold Gomes short and Gomes limos off. I hope André is not bad and is back for Watford.

Our attacking 4 have been poor. Hopefully we can get Moise Kean on the for the last 20-30 minutes.

Really insightful comments from Gary and Tony. Kean has trained less than 5 times in months. As for Gbamin, I'd have started him but let's see how he does. Schneiderlin has played well so far.

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