Horrendous finishing makes it far too easy for Liverpool's B team

By Michael Kenrick 05/01/2020 427comments  |  Jump to last

Carlo Ancelotti is the only manager to have beaten Liverpool and prevented them from winning at home so far this season

A month after going down to the defeat that proved to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin of Marco Silva's tenure, Everton are back at Anfield in the FA Cup.

The Blues were carved open by an under-strength reds side on 4th December and beaten 5-2, a result that was the catalyst for change that ushered in the Carlo Ancelotti era and the Italian has the task of becoming the first manager to beat Liverpool on their own turf this season.

Ancelotti goes for Sidibe, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin in midfield, dropping Davies.

Meanwhile, NINE changes for Liverpool... but of course that man Origi plays. Elliot only 16 years of age.

Liverpool kicked off, with Everton playing in odd-looking blue socksDigne fired in a ferocious centre from his own throw-in but Sidibe failed to attack the ball and could not control it.

Tremendous ball over the Liverpool Defence, Walcott and Calvert-Lewin both fired straight at Adria when it looked easier to score. Milner went down and needed a lot of treatment before being taken off for

Everton needed to defend, the game developing into a lively tussle, Calvert-Lewin getting taken out by Phillips. But Sigurdsson put it perfectly onto Holgate's head, perfect position, and he heads it straight at Adrian, the ball then all the way up the other end for an Liverpool corner that needed resolute defending.

Calvert-Lewin did brilliantly to bring down Pickford's long clearance bu Sifebe let the second ball roll out of play behind. Everton were playing the long ball frequently, but not with the required finish.

Lllalana was given space to shot but wildly over. Richarlison collapsed after being tackled from behind, then Sigurdsson was also fouled from behind but Jon Moss was letting the game play, as they say. Elliot won a corner for Liverpool, that was headed away by Mina.

Everton put themselves under pressure, repeatedly giving the ball back to the red shirts as Liverpool pressed with more continuity and determination, winning yet another corner, played deep and driven wide by Williams.

Yet again fine play with Walcott setting up Richarlison for him to surely score but no, he firs it yet again at Adrian. What is wrong with the Everton strikers? The ball comes back across for him but this time he's too far behind the all.

Llalana once again is invited to shoot at the top corner but it sailed away to the left. Richarlison dawdled on the ball and was easily dispossessed but Evertppn got it back and Walcott launched a fine cross for a Calvert-Lewin diving header but he was two inc=hes too far behind the ball!

Holgate had to be very strong with Jones behind him, and another shot from Jones this time dragged wide of the Everton goal. Then a wicked cross from Origi, just far enough away from Minamiono with Elliot hanging on the far post.

An Adrian clearance was stolen and Walcot put in a great ball that Lallana headed behind just outside his post. The corner was glance behind by a defender, the second corner from the other side likewise glancing this time of Mina, who got up to an incredible height. Calvert-LewinGets another glorious chance but fires wide.

Origi danced and jinked, firing a frightening shot that Pickford saves brilliantly, and Everton almost break from the corner, but the ball was drawn like a magnet to Gomez and not Walcott running beyond him.

More Liverpool corners, both defended, Everton reasonably convincing in rearguard action so far, but the script of their astounding profligacy upfront usually has only one plot-line.

Into added time, and Everton looked to win a corner, but it was ruled behind off a blue shirt. Walcot and Richarlison got close but contrived to lose the ball back in was glanced away from Calvert-Lewin.

Everton restarted with a hopeless hoof into touch. Not auspicious. BBut they got possession amongst a swarm of red defenders and won an early corner, Sigurdsson ball falling to Schneiderlin who lashes it over the bar.

A poor foul by Digne gave away a dangerous set-piece but nothing came of it. Liverpool were gegen-pressing, pinning Everton in their own half, Williams lashing a swerving shot at Pickford. Lallana agoes down under pressure from Richarlison, and a dangerous set-piece, but it bounces out for a corner off Calvert-Lewin.

Mina almost got Everton in trouble, playing it from the back<. But they worked it up to win a corner that Mina again made contact with but to no effect, and Everton were again under pressure from a series of set-pieces at the other end, all defended away.

Delph and Kean were readied for the fray, Sigurdsson and Coleman but not before Liverpool had won yet another corner and extended period of pressure, Ancelotti responding by overloading the attack in time-honoured fashion of one Marco Siva.

Walcott got behind and showed just how useless he can be with an absolutely criminal ball beyond three blue shirts in the middle. Digne tries=d from the other side but ran the ball out. A pot shot from Origi form 35 yards almost fooled Pickford, parried for a corner.

Then, some classy play from Liverpool Origi setting up Jones for a fantastic curler that beat Pickford all hands down and bounced down off the bottom of the bar to crush all Everton hearts. It just had to happen.

OC was next to skip through and almost score at the near post but Pickford scrambled it away. It needed a massive response from Everton but instead, it was Liverpool who continued to press the Blues back until Everton won an increasingly rare corner, dropped-kicked by Schneiderlin high over the bar for a drop goal in rugby. Just a shocking lack of technique.

Liverpool were happily toying with Everton now, the Blues reduced to ball-watching as the Reds literally ran rings around them. On TV, the cameras panned away to an empty vacant Goodison Park, bizarrely bathed in light but nobody home. Meanwhile, back at Anfield, Liverpool continued to pile forward and take potshots at Pickford's goal.

Everton clearly had nothing left at this point, playing the ball back to Pickford rather than forward toward the Liverpool goal. And when they did, Richarlison was offside. Bernard's poor pass to Digne goes harmlessly out of play.

Sidibe at least get a decent cross but Kean tried to volley it acrobatically far too high, well over the ball. The game played itself out with Everton offering absolutely nothing in the second half.

Scorer: Jones (71')

Liverpool: Adrian; Milner (9' Larouci), Gomez, Phillips, Williams; Lallana, Chirivella, Jones (79' Brewster), Elliott; Minamino (70' Oxlade-Chamberlain), Origi.
Subs not Used: Kelleher, Mane, Henderson, Hoever.

Everton: Pickford; Mina, Holgate, Coleman (63' Kean), Digne [Y:58']; Sigurdsson (63' Delph), Schneiderlin, Sidibe, Walcott (78' Bernard); Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
Subs not Used: Stekelenberg, Baines, Keane, Davies.

Referee: Jon Moss

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Neil Lawson
1 Posted 05/01/2020 at 15:57:37
Klopp is seriously taking the piss. Never a better chance so go out and batter the Redshite and shove the cup down Klopp's throat. Better still, up his sphincter. Please don't disappoint again.
Jay Wood

2 Posted 05/01/2020 at 15:59:30
With those line ups, a Tracy Chapman song comes to mind:

'If not now, then when?'

It HAS to be today!

Paul Jeronovich
3 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:00:38
If we don’t win let’s just give up
Jim Marray
4 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:12:45
Even if (and I still think it is a bif if) we beat them today they will deride us on the basis they sent out the kids. But if we want a trophy we need this.
Conor McCourt
5 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:16:51
That's funny... their only regular gets injured... karma. I know they have made a lot of changes but I wasn't expecting to see the Milk Tray man in goal for them.
Christy Ring
6 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:18:49
Would prefer to see Richarlison beside Calvert-Lewin.
Ciarán McGlone
7 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:23:38
We seem to be overloading the right and it's not working.
Christy Ring
8 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:26:14
Midfield non existent, Siggy and Wallcott totally anonymous.
Joe McMahon
9 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:28:51
The midfield is worrying. Even their teenagers with the bonus of the vile Anfield crowd are winning.
Ciarán McGlone
10 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:30:06
Sidibe playing central now... looking well out of his depth.
Jim Marray
11 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:46:33
Someone remind me we did sack Silva?
Danny Baily
12 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:49:41
Still feeling positive but we were pretty poor in possession in that half. Hoping for better.
Wayne Paul
13 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:50:19
We will never hear the end of it if we lose.
Tony Twist
14 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:50:19
Absolute shambles. Fucking embarrassing, we are a pathetic excuse of a team that just wants to make the opposition look good. This could be another Millwall.
Neil Lawson
15 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:52:13
Desperately in need of midfield guile and control. Sigurdsson is utterly anonymous and ineffective and needs to go. Sidebe, too, adding little.

Expecting Ancellotti to address the inadequacies. Please, please, don't let Mane come on late and steal it.
Robert Tressell
16 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:53:05
This is annoying. Is get Kean on for Calvert-Lewin. We look very clumsy up front. Obviously not helped by a midfield that can't string passes together.
Ernie Baywood
17 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:55:01
To be fair, we should be a goal or two up. They've hardly had a sniff, we've had very good chances for Holgate, DCL and Richarlison.

I couldn't care less about possession. The kids we're up against are technically good, quick and are working their socks off.

If we beat them it will be due to quality and experience. Which is why I can't understand Holgate's performance. He's the more experienced player, playing like he thinks he's up against no hopers. Trying to do too much. And being made to look foolish.

Gerry Ring
18 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:57:19
Midfield is shocking. Zero aggression. Getting bossed by redshite kindergarten selection. Bring on Tom Davies who will inject some passion. It’s days like this when I ask myself why did we sell Macca😟😟
Paul Le Marinel
19 Posted 05/01/2020 at 16:59:03
Not good enough at the moment. We should have scored 3-4 goals in the first half and yet we go in at half-time 0-0 against a team full of youth players.

Its embarrassing!

We are being wasteful of our chances and we have to do much better in the second half.

Christy Ring
20 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:00:27
Don’t like our shape, where’s Sidibé playing, should go back to 442 with Richharlison beside Calvert-Lewin our midfield is shocking, lalllana has Sigurdsson in his pocket, and the short passing at the back is getting us in bother, has to change it at the break
Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:02:05
As most of us can see the midfield are very, very poor and slow, but if we had taken a couple of good chances we would all be a lot more relaxed.
Jay Wood

22 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:03:33
A strange half.

For me, they have played the tidier football whereas we were very poor in possession and passing.

Nevertheless, we have carved out 3-4 excellent chances and we should be ahead.

Pickford looking composed and top save from Origi, even if it would have been ruled out for offside.

Digne and Coleman very quiet. Mina the pick of the defenders. Holgate very poor on the ball. Siggy's played some good passes, but he and Schneiderlin were getting the run around in midfield for most of the half. Sidibe poor control and passing. Richarlison good on his defensive work, poorer further up the park. Dom doing well. Walcott our standout player.

We have to start both winning and playing the ball through midfield more, and quicker.

We also HAVE to win this one today. It borders on shameful if we can't see off their teenagers.

Steve Shave
24 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:10:26
Does anyone else shite themselves everytime we play in tight spaces at the back? seems so unnecessary sometimes.
Danny Baily
25 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:10:29
Looking much less likely this half. Just not good enough.
Tony Twist
26 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:13:02
Plain and simple no centre midfield, S and S shouldn't be on the pitch.
Christy Ring
27 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:15:35
It’s getting embarrassing now Richarlison trying to mark Lallana how is Sigurdsson still on the field a shambles
Jim Marray
28 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:19:52
These Liverpool kids are highlighting Everton's biggest weakness. Their technical abilities are streets ahead of these Everton players. Their decision making, passing and vision shows how poor our coaches are in comparison. We look like a Sunday league team and until we fix the basics we can look forward to a new manager every two or three seasons and a continuous diet of sheer crap.
Phil Wood
29 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:20:48
Nothing a quick Billion and time to bed in couldn't put right.
Only joking but bloody poor show.
Wayne Paul
30 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:26:02
Some fans on here are unbelievable! Carlo has only been here a few weeks and it's not his team. No patience at all.
Joe McMahon
31 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:27:15
Our academy and u23s are streets behind these Liverpool kids. It's a shambles of a club. Mosh hasn't got the funds required for the overhaul that needed.
Anthony Jones
32 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:28:02
Even if we win this, I cannot believe how well these nobodies are doing against us.

Ancelotti had better have a plan to improve this squad.

Steve Shave
33 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:28:15
Why aren't we more up for this??!!!!
Christy Ring
34 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:28:35
Passing at the back abysmal we’re atrocious Walcott is a passenger now
Jim Marray
35 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:30:00
@ Neil Lawson, what was that about Klopp taking the piss?
Anthony Jones
36 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:30:36
Jesus Christ.
Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:30:57
Disgraceful second half.

I can't see the back of Schneiderlin soon enough. Lying on the floor when that goal went in. Sums him up.

Phil Wood
38 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:32:51
Oh yes and that was no surprise.
Was obviously coming from their Kids.
Not effing good enough.
Kieran Kinsella
39 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:32:58
We keep sacking managers but the axis on ineptitude (Sig and Schneid) are there to drag the new guy down with their Moyesian negativity and AVDM work rate.
Gerry Ring
40 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:33:00
If Schneiderlan is as good as we’ve got in our squad, it’s a very sad day for Everton🙁🙁
Joe McMahon
41 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:33:36
I can't help thinking Ancelotti will regret coming to this Basket case club. Its impossible to makes Everton winners now.
Christy Ring
42 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:35:33
Feel for the poor fans no shape whatsoever no crosses whatsoever Walcott shocking 2nd half
Peter Gorman
43 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:35:56
I hate them; players come and go, get paid a fortune too, but the humiliation stays for decades.

Can Carlo sign an entire team before the window closes? None of this shit is worth salvaging, losers to a man tonight.

Robert Tressell
44 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:37:59
The basic passing and movement is unbelievably shit. We really should have won this 3-0 after riding out some initial exuberant pressing.
Tony Twist
45 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:39:26
Jordan, he's got no arms, pickford c*cks up yet again. How many times are his finger tips too short.
Phil Wood
46 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:40:10
Where is the passion?
Get Duncan up onto the side line for 10 minutes to put the fear of God up our players.
Christy Ring
47 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:41:50
It's BOYS against men, can you pick out 1 player who has performed, Duncan must be livid.
Ernie Baywood
48 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:42:18
No midfield at all.
Gerry Ring
49 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:47:48
I don’t get taking off Coleman & leaving Sidibe on! Sidibe has been poor at even the basic stuff. At least Seamus knows the importance of this particular game & would get stuck in.
Joe McMahon
51 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:50:29
Reminds me of the FA cup simi v Utd, and we still needed penalties to beat Man U reserves.
Robert Tressell
52 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:50:57
The confidence looks absolutely shot. Weird how flat we've looked. More spark from us in the 5-2 loss.
Ciarán McGlone
53 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:51:28
Morgan Schneiderlin is an 18 carat disgrace.. wanders about the pitch like hes looking for a lost wallet. I would simply sack him.

Bad starting selection from Carlo and poor application and effort from the players.

A new low in scouse footballing rivalry.

Danny Baily
54 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:52:06
Wow. That was awful. Very deservedly on the losing side.
Johan Elmgren
55 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:52:10
I think we already can announce the worst performance of the decade... what an absolute shitshow...
Tony Twist
56 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:52:24
Everton = Bottlers. I would say that is worse than millwall last year.
Tom Dodds
57 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:53:38
If there had only been one club in this city we would ALL be happy.
Worst thing we ever did was leave anfield.

This club is well and truly cursed.

Ernie Baywood
58 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:10
Agreed Ciaran. If you can't sell him, sack him. I can't believe we can't do better from the reserves.

Still stand by my September call on Kean too. He's not a footballer and won't be with us next season.

Jamie Crowley
59 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:15
Worst I've ever seen.



Jay Wood

60 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:18
Simon Smith
61 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:25
Being an Everton fan gets harder every single year. I hate every single player on that pitch!

The commentators can fuck off too!

Tony Twist
62 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:54
Siggy and Sneiderlin in centre of midfield who suggested that. Utterly pathetic. Relegation becons. Very unprofessional.
Michael Lynch
63 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:54:57
Seriously, does it get any worse than this? I've been following Everton for 50 years now and this is right up there with the worst moments.

Their fucking kids, cheered on by the grinning fucking Klopp, giving our first team a lesson in football.

It grieves me deeply to say it, but the RS have got it totally and utterly right, and we are a million miles behind them. I hate everything about Klopp, but the man is brilliant.

Sack everyone at Everton, burn the stadium down and forget we ever existed.

Jim Bennings
64 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:55:27
Absolute embarrassment of a football club.

Completely outclassed by a bunch of kids (proper promising kids by the way, not like the dross we bring through).

The whole club from top to bottom is an embarrassment and nothing we do this season now will erase the shame of what Everton fans have witnessed today, yet another embarrassment in a long long line.

I’d personally sell the entire lot of them because we don’t possess a single quality footballer in this whole squad, I’m not being told otherwise after watching that shit show today!!!

Roger Helm
65 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:03
Ten years ago we could compete with Liverpool, we were ahead of Spurs and well ahead of Leicester, Wolves et al. Half a billion pounds later we are flirting with relegation and being humiliated by Liverpool U-23s.

We are a laughing stock, the worst run club in England. Thank God rugby league starts soon, I’m done with football.

Ralph Basnett
66 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:07
How fuckin embarrassing, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson in midfield meant the young shoite kids could run around.

What is happening a Everton?????????????

Jim Harrison
67 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:15
God that was sickening. The quality of the passing those kids put in really shamed our first team. Better pressing, better decision making, stronger on the ball. Didn't help that our centre mids were both out of form. Schniederlin was woeful, Siggy the same.

Holgate was shocking.

Best get this season over and start again

Max Murphy
68 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:16
One of the worst, gutless, diabolical, disgraceful and entirely embarrassing performances I've ever seen, at any level by a "football" club. Given a complete runaround by a bunch of kids. Liverpool U-10s would have beaten Everton.

They should be ashamed of themselves, and each and every player, and the coaching squad, should publicly apologise to all Everton supporters.

Don Alexander
69 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:48
I posted this on the other thread just before kick-off;

"To me the Klopp team means our players have absolutely no hiding place unless they at least run them ragged and get three of their better players on the pitch. Regardless of the result a failure to do even that will convince CA, if he doesn't already know it, that he needs a hypnotist at FF more than anything else, or a majorly expensive cull of course."

To me it was all very predictable. FF, our players and our boardroom are, and have been for many a year, completely rank.

Gavin Johnson
70 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:56:55
We're an absolute joke. What a disgrace losing to kids. As a club we can't get around the hoodoo of playing at Anfield. It's just embarrassing. I don't want to see Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Delph in an Everton shirt again. We need a complete overhaul in midfield and that's just the start.
Tommy Coleman
71 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:57:00
Fuck right off Everton. Absolutely bottled it again.
Jim Bennings
72 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:57:15
Even Liverpool Ladies would be our men’s team because they have mentality that sadly we will never never be able to buy.
Anthony Jones
73 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:57:42
Where was the energy we had against Chelsea?

Cannot help but think the Italians have given too many instructions to the players. They were taking an age to decide who to play the ball to.

Ferguson's 4-4-2 would have won this game. 3 at the back requires elite defenders and wing backs, which we certainly don't have.

Joe McMahon
74 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:57:57
Roger @65 we didn't compete with Liverpool 10 years ago.
Andy Mead
75 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:58:15
Absolute humiliation. That was worse then anything Silva served up. Beaten by the reserve side. What was the plan? Juat piss about at the back and lump it straight down the middle to nobody. Coleman, Sniderlain,Walcott, Siggy should never wear the shirt again. Fuck this club. I'll go to my grave without is even getting close to beating these bastard. I will not sit up in the early hours ever again to watch these losers.
Justin Harris
76 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:58:58
What a disgrace there wasn't one player out there today who can hold their head up!The intensity and desire was non existent which is the minimum required!!We are incapable of playing a forward pass and are so slow.
I'm just at a loss and so angry!!
Phil Wood
77 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:59:09
Disgrace. One if the worst defeats in our history.
Hate to say it but Ferguson would not have sent out a more Lily livered bunch if crap.
Craig Walker
78 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:59:46
Nothing to say after that. SO many players who are not good enough. Constant passing back and surrendering possession. Nobody who is clinical. Same old failings. Mina, Sig and Schneiderlin are liabilities as is Pickford. Walcott good in first half. Awful in second. Sums him up. Richarlison needs to stop play acting. Thought we were better with Baines instead of Digne at left back under Dunc. DCL needs 5 chances to score. Not good enough at this level unfortunately. We need a mass clear out. I’d keep Richarlison and get shut of the rest.
Jim Bennings
79 Posted 05/01/2020 at 17:59:51
It’s not just Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson though it’s the whole fuckin lot.

Holgate and Mina are woeful footballers, Sidibe and Coleman are nothing, Digne is piss poor that last season his left foot clouded our judgment he’s a terrible player.

I hate the entire lot of our squad and I’ve no connection at all with any of them whatsoever unlike even the struggling teams of the 90’s.

Ian Bennett
80 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:00:09
A new low.

The continual passing it back and put yourselves under pressure is a joke. Midfield team on £100k a piece and cant pass. Absolute disgrace.

Stephen Brown
81 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:00:10
Why were we defending our 6 yard box ? Clueless!!!
Ken Kneale
82 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:01:02
Jim. I agree. Sell the lot in a fire sale and we would be no worse off starting a brand new eleven. An utter disgrace that some of these players drew a wage today
Andrew Keatley
83 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:01:06
This defeat had very little to do with “horrendous finishing”. It had everything to do with horrendous attitude, horrendous application, and a horrendous group of players who have been comprehensively outplayed, out-thought, out-fought and out-manoeuvred by our greatest rivals. Too many passengers just happy to collect their inflated wages and go through the motions on the pitch. The entire team were poor but it’ll be particularly hard for me to stomach seeing Schneiderlin wear the shirt ever again.
Andy Crooks
84 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:01:24
The second half was shameful. To many cowards on the pitch. Every one of them was disgrace. I am going to step away. There are more important things in life than affording emotional investment to overpaid, talentless cowards. Ancelotti? Who cares. There is not a man among them. That second half is absolutely a life changer for me. I"m done.
Bill Fairfield
85 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:01:25
There for the whole nation to see utter shite good luck Carlo
Colwyn Harris
86 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:01:36
Woeful second half. We were so pathetic! We fold too easily at Anfield. I shudder to think what their first eleven would've done to us!
Brian Williams
87 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:02:01
Anyone really surprised? I'm guessing no, and you know what, neither were our players.
They came out for that second half thinking they'd blown their chance and they fucking well gave up.
The thing is I almost just posted "can't remember such a cowardly performance" but unfortunately I CAN.
I can remember loads!
They are an absolute disgrace to themselves and the club.
Not normally one to go OTT but there's no excusing that today.
When the chances didn't go in they started to play to not make mistakes, to not fuck up and look stupid.
I would NEVER play some of those from today again, and I'd tell em why.
I'd rather play some of our kids because they can't possibly do worse.

Gary Carter
88 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:02:12
Shite. Nervous... no guile... no quality... no class at all. Mina shocking Richarlison was poor Calvert-Lewin non-existent. Spine of the team is terrible.
Steve Brown
89 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:02:18
Rock bottom for me. Can't sink any lower.
Michael Lynch
90 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:02:26
I think that answers the question - was it Silva or was it the players? It was fucking both.

The worst thing about that defeat is that it gives the RS double pleasure, because we were actually the fucking favourites to win.

The only tiny ray of sunshine in my life is that I don't live in Liverpool any more, so can avoid the worst of the aftermath.

Ian Riley
91 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:02:42
Roger#65. Ten years ago we had Moyes as manager and kenwright as our owner. Now we have a world class manager and worst debts in our history with the most lack luster team.

The positives are endless.

Tony Hill
92 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:03:11
One of the lowest points in our entire history. Cowards to a man, terrified of winning. What is the point of supporting this dire club? There is no purpose in debating, analysing or even in lamenting our fate. We just don't have what it takes and haven't had it for ages.

Who cares any more? I'm not at all sure I do.

Eric Paul
93 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:04:20
We should have put our kids out at least they are winners. This is as bad as it gets
David Mosses
94 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:04:30
If we haven’t got better than that lot in the under 23s then we have got major problems. That second half was a disgrace not a single player put pressure on the ball they just let them pass it around the park. Carlo has a major rebuilding job on his hands that midfield was shocking no one could find a man in blue. What a total embarrassment we are as a football club.
Michael Lynch
95 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:04:56
Second half, the Kids From Shite were absolutely brilliant to be fair. Not that we made it hard for them, but they didn't give us an inch. Their passing, their pressing, it was astonishing.

Right now it feels like the city is theirs for the next ten years minimum, football-wise. They're going to win everything every year, because the club is run brilliantly from top to bottom. Everything that's wrong about us, is right about them. Except their fans of course. Their fans are fuckwits.

Ross Edwards
96 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:05:13
Easily the most humiliating defeat in our history and the worst in my lifetime by a long way. A Liverpool 3rd team outplayed and outfought us with ease. Those players should be ashamed of themselves. Spineless cowards all of them
Simon Smith
97 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:05:14

I don’t live in Liverpool either yet I’m still surrounded by their god awful fans. They are everywhere. I hate them all and 2 of them are my best mates!

They just always, always get one over on us. I want to know what it feels like to be smug. just once!

Mark Andrews
99 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:05:55
Hugely damaging, highly embarrassing. The extent of the work Carlo needs to do is very apparent.
Soundly beaten by an academy side. It's humiliating.
John Audsley
100 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:06:39
All on the players who need absolutely tearing to pieces. Management meet today/tomorrow to discuss the future. This performance changes peoples careers.

How fucking dare they play like that wearing that shirt??

Legends are turning in graves tonight

Ralph Basnett
101 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:06:48
Irrespective of who they picked this wa our one chance to trash the shoite and walk with our heads held high, instead I have to slide into work after a shoite Christmas and face the red shoite with the our kids have beat you.
Frank Kearns
102 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:07:16
Disgraceful performance. No ambition and fuck all interest, should be ashamed of themselves.
Christy Ring
103 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:07:16
Pathetic, no passion, no drive, no leaders, a laughing stock, the poorest performance ever, the players should hang their heads in shame. Our midfield, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Delph useless. Ancelotti shape was so poor, brought off Coleman, and Sidibe a passenger, and why, when we needed an attacking midfielder, he brings on Delph, when Davies was the obvious choice. I'll go back to the goal, Schneiderlin diisgracefully lying on the ground, led to their goal, shouldn't wear the jersey again, Wallcott 2nd half performance, should be his last as well.
Brighton probably liking there lips, looking forward to next Saturday.
Fran Mitchell
104 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:07:38
The fact is, those Liverpool players have been trained by the best manager and coaching staff in the world for the past 3/4 years,and it shows. From top to bottom the club is unified in style, desire, passion, and ability. Everton are the polar opposite. Woeful, dreadful, shit whatever the adjective, once the initial burst of energy of new manager sybdrome passes (with Martinez, Koeman, Silva-always started with some positivity), we revert to form. Lifeless. Passionless. No ideas, no confidence, nothing.

Today was the depth of our abyss. A miserable, woeful day. The players should apologize. Some players should be ashamed to call themselves professional footballers.

Ancelotti has a job on his hands.

Brian Williams
105 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:08:01
I don't do Twitter but I encourage those who do to reply to any tweets those cowards dare to post and tell them exactly what they are!
Will it make any difference to them on their megabucks, probably not but at least they'll know we see right through the fucking gutless bastards!
Paul Hewitt
106 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:08:33
Don't anyone put that loss on Ancelotti. It's the players. Most off these players have been shit under 3 or 4 managers now. We need to get rid of the lot and start again. Just hope Ancelotti has the fight to do it.
Michael Lynch
107 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:08:41
Fran - spot on I'm afraid
Mike Galley
108 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:09:00
Sheez, how big a job has our manager got on his hands here?
If there's one, very small, consolation here, he's maybe for the first time realised what position this club is in. There's so much wrong with the first team squad that it would be pointless listing it all.
My biggest fear? That the situation is irretrievable and the downward spiral is now unstoppable.
Either way, he'll have to be faultless in the transfer market just to give himself a chance.
Pat Kelly
109 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:09:02
No interest anymore. There's none of them worth supporting. Never fail to let the fans down.
Graham Haines
110 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:09:46
Honestly don't think there is a single player worth keeping in our 1st team. Total rebuild needed top to bottom, this is the lowest of the low. U23's should play the remainder of the season
Peter Laing
111 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:10:08
The honeymoon for Carlo is well and truly over if it ever began. I'm surprised, people are surprised. The players to a man are spineless shithouses, that's without even commenting on the lack of quality / ability. When we failed to score any of the chances that presented in the first half - well the writing was on the wall. Sell Digne, return Sidibe. Sirgurdson and Schneiderlin along with Walcott should never represent the Club again. Moise Kean should return to Italy.
Andrew Keatley
112 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:10:16
Brian (105) - The gutless bastards I can see right through are the ones who played for Everton at Anfield today.
Oliver Molloy
113 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:11:26
If Ancelotti didn't know what he had for a team, he certainly does now.
Moshiri or whoever is going to have to find the money ( a lot ) to change this side, probably around 8 - 9 players in my opinion are needed.
Absolutely SPINELESS from Everton.

We can't hide, we were beaten by their fucking b team, a bunch of kids who showed more balls than us.

Fran Mitchell
114 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:11:40
Walcott should be binned asap. Gordon should have played in his place

Schneiderlin should be binned asap. A signing is needed here asap

Sigurdsson should be binned asap. Play Davies ahead of him, play other youth players. Just don't play him.

Coleman poor. Digne poor. Sibide poor.

We need rid of half this team.

Gavin Johnson
115 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:12:49
Ian Riley #91

Yes, we have got a world class manager and we've got money. The record debt is nothing, except it might effect how much we can spend this window due to FFP. We're in much better hands than under Kenwright and Moyes. It's that regime that created the Anfield hoodoo.

Dave Williams
116 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:13:06
Dreadfully poor- did anyone play better than poorly? The CM combo worried me before the game and it played as if it was beneath them to show some bite against kids. Sig should be shipped out quickly. Our basics of pass and move were shocking, no instant ball control, second to most loose balls and lost most 50:50 challenges.
Duncan’s tactics would have worked better- time and again we were passing ourselves into trouble around the 18 yard line and the only time we threatened was when the ball was played for the front three to run on to.
Rich did nothing, Mason was wasteful, Digne a shadow of last season, Sid was poor in and out of possession, Sig and Morgan dreadful, slow and no bite, Kean hardly got a touch.
I’m glad I’ve retired and don’t have to go to work tomorrow.
To cap it all my daughter bagged a new boyfriend today and you guessed it- he is a red!
Fuck me!!
Billy Dawber
117 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:13:36
I said a few posts ago the only way this club will realise how shit they are is by the fans staying away. We used to stay away in protest, just to let them know it is just not good enough. To get beat by them is bad enough but by the kids is just not on. We know they raise their game and rightly so but we just lack bottle and all that you need to even give them a game. This new fella has got his work cut out alright, wether he can sort it out only time will tell. Something is seriously wrong in the club but it is fair to say yet again we need a clear out. Please stay away and don't waste your money anymore until something is sorted.
Michael Lynch
118 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:14:05
I worry that Ancelotti is not the man to turn this around though. He's no Klopp, he's no Ferguson (Alex or Duncan), he's a tactician.

We need someone who can give the club back its identity.

Peter Hopkins
119 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:14:22
It wouldn’t surprise me if Carlo walked after seeing that!
Hopefully that’s the lowest of the low and the only way is up
Conor McCourt
120 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:14:49
Fran 104- you nailed it.
Andrew Hight
121 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:14:59
Not remotely surprised by the outcome. All 3 efforts right at the keeper, DCL seems to do that every game. Carlo’s job is huge. The midfield is non existent and the defence weak. Apart from Digne, Richy and DCL the rest of the main playing squad is relatively poor. The recruitment process over the last few years is unforgivable. Carlo needs now the opportunity to create his own team and culture which is a massive, massive job based on what he has to work with.
Mark Burslem
122 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:15:12
Absolutely numb!!!!

Can honestly say that I've never been so low about a performance and there have been many in my 60+ years.

We were always in a lose lose situation. Had we have won, it would have meant nothing as we would only have beaten “the kids” and they would have reminded us of that constantly. (Ffs, a changed Villa side battered them.) Now we will have this debacle thrown at us.

At half-time I never thought we would lose though. (Shows how much I know…)

We move on, but God it's difficult.

Mark Burslem
123 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:15:34
Absolutely numb!!!!

Can honestly say that I’ve never been so low about a performance and there have been many in my 60+ years.

We were always in a lose lose situation. Had we have won, it would have meant nothing as we would only have beaten “the kids” and they would have reminded us of that constantly. (ffs, a changed Villa side battered them). Now we will have this debacle thrown at us.

At half- time I never thought we would lose though. (Shows how much I know).

We move on, but God it’s difficult.

Colin Glassar
124 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:15:45
Billy, we need the cushions and bog roll back.
Paul Rimmer
125 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:05
Embarrassed. Schneiderlein is so poor he wouldn't get into that Liverpool team. Sidibe was poor and Theo after a promising first half was back to his old self. I don't think Mina is good enough and Holgate has no left foot so can't operate that side. Siggy was crap again so no midfield second half. Time to bin most and start again.
Jerome Shields
126 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:08
Everton simply high pressed of the pitch, with a non existent midfield and a attack that could not complete anything. Poor finishing by shooting straight at the goalkeeper. Pickford distribution woeful. In the second half not one play through the centre and wing play poor, with poor crosses. Clearing lines ;they haven't a clue.

Ancelotti did not learn from the Man City game, put out the same type of team and tactics , with similar type subs. He did not seek advice or listen to Big Dunc.

I thought that the second half reflected a unfit and badly prepared Everton.

Rob Dolby
127 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:09
Quality counts.

In a normal prem game we need 4 or 5 chances to score. Today underlines our lack of quality.

In most games this season we have witnessed.

The goalie glued to his line.
The futile passing around the back, the sideways and backwards from the midfield and the fluffed chances up front.
All of that adds up to trouble.

How is this shower going to get to 40 points.

Ancelotti has to bring players in. I would only keep Richarleson the rest of them aren't worth a carrot.

Brian Williams
128 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:12
They're exactly the ones I was referring to mate!
John Pickles
129 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:25
I doubt there is anyone associated with the club that is anywhere near the standard of their compatriot at Liverpool. Scouting, coaching (fitness, technical or tactics), players,old or young.

This was as complete a demonstration of superiority as is possible. They were fitter, hungrier, passed faster and more accurately. To a man better tactically and technically.

I can't see Carlo (or anyone else) sorting this out inside 10 years. There's a passion and a belief flowing through everything at Liverpool, there is just a soulless empty void at Everton.

Oh yeah guys, and thanks for throwing the towel in when you went a goal down!

We are about to post record losses, every penny of it wasted.

Derek Knox
130 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:35
How many games have we ever won when Schneiderlin plays. He is the most useless player I have ever seen in an Everton shirt. How can he go missing for so long in a game I was struggling to see where he was at times so, anonymous!

Carlo has a massive job on his hands, and I can't see us getting that many in the Transfer Window. I suppose Premiership survival is the main priority but more displays like this we will be back in the mire.

Dave Abrahams
131 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:43
1878- 2020, that was the most humiliating defeat and performance since we were formed, I could use a dozen or more derogatory adjectives to describe that squad of players on their performance and attitude today and they would all fit, the darkest day in the club’s history.
Tommy Carter
132 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:45
A bunch of cowards

That’s all there is to it.


Scott Dixon
133 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:17:57
In 30+ years of lows, that 2nd half is the worst I’ve ever seen. Literally what side would Liverpool have to put out for the players to be able to forget the mental weight of history and simply beat the 11 on the pitch. So many of them are mentally weak as f***. Until they’re gone, I’m out.
Derek Taylor
134 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:18:14
Shankley took over after THEY were knocked out of the Cup by Worcester City. Perhaps today's disgrace will herald OUR new beginning !
Ralph Basnett
135 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:18:41
So Unsworth keeps winning the B Team League and which player comes through - no one!!!!!!!

Liverpool do shoite in the B Team League and who do they bring through - a team of kids that beat our front line players!

Fuck me, this is Everton all over, bollox to FFP, buy new team take the FFP fine, we need something as I as well as the rest of the blues are sick of getting our noses rubbed in it and now a defeat by their kids, please
Everton .

John Reynolds
136 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:18:49
Ancelotti out - bring back Big Dunc!!
Gary Mortimer
137 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:18:49
As Danny Kelly on Talkshite just said "Shock result at Anfield as Liverpool Under 15's beat Everton's 1st team"

I cannot remember ever feeling so embarrassed about being an Everton fan.

Who is this Ancelloti feller? He's managed to hammer out any spirit in the side from Dunc's 4 games in charge in pretty short order.

Clueless tactics
Clueless substitutions
Clueless reorganisations

Happy New Fecking Year!!!

Jeff Armstrong
138 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:19:01
Why did Ancellotti try to play football from the back when we have the worst footballers as defenders any of us can ever remember, Mina is a joke of a player and Holgate a disgrace with the ball at his feet, Digne is a fraud as is Sidibe, Coleman is so negative he pirouettes up his own arse before losing the ball, in front of them the slowest midfield at any club in the land, Richarlison and Bernard must be the two most unBrazilian Brazilians to ever leave...Brazil!, and that lot have all landed at our club to form a team performance so bad I struggle to recall a worse one, oh and then there was Walcot.
Ancellotti must take some of the blame as he just waves his arms and raises his eyebrow as the performance got worse, time to start earning your £11million Carlo, you’ve got the hardest job you’ve ever had mate.
Frank Kearns
139 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:19:04

Let’s face it we’re shite - top to bottom in this club - just give me the money and I’ll produce the same shite, week after week, month after month, year after year. New stadium, I can fuck that up easy, no worries - bet I get an offer of a job - bar manager seems favourite as we’re still making a profit on beer sales !!!

Stephen Brown
140 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:19:05
I hope there’s no pissing about and Ancelloti comes out and says some of these players are never playing for Everton again!
Allan Board
141 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:20:05
We say football didn't begin in 1992 with the advent of the Premier league-well I know one thing-football finished at Everton in 1987.
I would think the most insulting performance and 2 fingers up to fans in history.
John G Davies
142 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:20:38
We are the best team in Europe at turning attack into defence.
Peter Jansson
143 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:09
The main problem we need to improve is the midfield. We do have a car with no engine. The midfield is totally lost. Several times today there was not a single person in midfield, and absolutely no drive through the mid whatsoever.

We simply do not have any good creative midfielders. I think Tom Davis is good and have potential, but thats it. The rest are just not good enough.

We need 2-3 better midfielders, then maybe we can look like a good team again. The only offensive threats com on long hoofballs to Calvert Lewin or on the flanks.

Alan Burnham
144 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:12
First match Boxing Day 1961 age 11. A season ticket holder out of habit and now couldn't really give a toss about this overpaid gutless shower of wankers. I grew up watching lions like Jimmy Gabriel. Probably a good thing if we move grounds because the old ground's soul is probably weeping at the arseholes who now parade on its sacred turf. Beware EFC, if people like me are ready to give up then the brand is well and truly f***ed. We've been bad many times in the past but this is the first time I've actually felt ashamed of the team.
Tony Twist
145 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:12
There is very little heart in this team and very little skill. Ancelotti should take some blame here or whoever recommended the siggy and sneiderlin, soft centre, midfield. Let's be honest, even if Klopp played their under 10s this team would play the same way expecting a goal to come eventually and not to go out there and get it. After 51 years an Evertonian, I am without doubt the most disgusted with my team after that match. We are seriously a poor excuse of a club thinking that reputation makes success, hard work and determination makes success which is lacking within the club. We are the next Tranmere!
Kunal Desai
146 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:22
Here is what needs to happen.
Moshiri now needs to get Usmanov on board, he does need his help so get him in straight away.

Tell DBB and Kenwright to fuck off once and for all. Act like a big club.

We have a top manager, now start weeding out the dogshit, plenty of it from the Walsh/Brands era. Put together a team of winners in two to three season time. Most of this lot are garbage and we ALL need to take our blue tinted specs off. We need a revolution at this club and it's going to take time and being patient.

Paul Hesketh
147 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:34
They were there for the taking today,could have ended a twenty year hoodoo.

We should have been out of sight by half time and the writing was on the wall.

A disgraceful second half has set us back years.
Rick Tarleton
148 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:48
The keeper is neurotic. The defence is so slow, that when pressed they panic and give the ball away. Mina with the ball is an error waiting to happen, but he's only fractionally slower than the rest. The midfield has no energy or drive. Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin are so far past their very average best it is embarrassing.
The strikers play totally as individuals, they don't link up or combine. When Kean comes on he never touches the ball. It's not surprising, but he never gets into the right place.
Shankly 's joke about Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves came horribly true today.
Fran Mitchell
149 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:21:57
What identity Michael? Serious question.

We don't have an identity. The idea of identity is bullshit.

What are Everton? To most people that follow English football, we are a poor club, that never wins anything, never challenges, but is always there. That is it.

So saying Ancelotti isn't the man because he's a 'tactician' is bullshit. Klopp is a tactician. Guardiola is a tactician. The best are tacticians.

But you need the players, and the coaching staff, to put the tactics into practice.

Everton are were we are because we spent 450+ million on the likes Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Tosun, Keane and so many more of the same ilk. Whilst at the same time being coached by amateurs.

Thee is no logical reason for Liverpool's u23s to perform at such a level, yet our young players unable to make an impression at championship level.

Finch farm. There is our biggest problems. We need to change our coaching set up. but I am lacking faith

John Cook
150 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:22:36
The difference between Everton and the RS is the culture of both clubs.Everyone who joins Liverpool have it drummed into them that they are the best club in the world.They exist to win trophies.Losing is not an option.Onward and upward.Join Everton you are told of our history.What a great club we USED to be.We "hope" to get back to the top soon.The only great part of Everton are the fans.This club don't deserve them.Too upset to even talk about that abortion of a performance.Ancellotti needs to take an axe to this squad,at least 8 of that team should not be here.
Clive Rogers
151 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:23:08
We cannot possibly go any lower than this, but one thing is certain, Kenwright will still be there. He seems to have a hold over Moshiri.
James Marshall
152 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:24:08
Shankly was right, there are only 2 teams in Liverpool and we ain't one of them.

We're a pitiful joke, it's got to the point that after 40 years of support I've largely had the fight beaten out of me. I don't even get particularly animated during games anymore.

Following football is a curse, and supporting Everton has become a complete waste of time, money, energy and emotional well being.

Julian Exshaw
153 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:24:31
This game wasn't about tactics, or lack thereof. It was about attitude and approach and they nailed it yet again. It was about having moral courage and pride. They had it. Yes, we had chances but that impotent, spineless, wretched and shameful second half will live long in my memory for all the wrong reasons.
Our season is all but over again in January. I wouldn't pick any of these next week and if it were in my power I would donate all their wages to those who have some pride and commitment to their profession. A total disgrace.
Gavin Johnson
154 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:24:54
Their kids beat us in midfield and they dominated procession. Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson were terrible. Ancelotti will bring in a midfielder this window. Hopefully it's Adrien Rabiot, and it'll be even better if we can bring in James Rodriguez on a loan. We need winners in the centre of the park. Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are bottlers who can't get round the pitch. They have to go!

And yes, Ancelotti should be commended on not playing 1 striker but he should continue with a basic 4-4-2 until he can move some of the shite out of the club. Wing backs isn't the way to do it!

Paul A Smith
155 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:26:13
This has been built up for 4 years. This is what I expected from a lack of ability.
If the commitment isn't there (which it wasn't) then you need a bit of luck from your quality players. Who is quality for us.

We can stop hearing 'we have good players though now' and although he made his own errors you can all see what shite combined with bad luck Silva was left with. I said it was a disgrace then and stand by my words.

Project? ambition? Do me a favour. Ambition is obvious and needs no explanation.

Derek Knox
156 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:26:31
Rick @ 148, agree Picks can be erratic but he couldn't be blamed for that goal today, I though it was going over the bar but it dipped and went under the bar.

As for the rest of them, they were all equally as poor, and it would be hard to justify any of them deserving of a first team place.

Phillip Warrington
157 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:26:43
If Silva was in charge, we would be calling for his head!

Let's be real: they beat our full team with a mixture of youth players and U23 players but, worst of all, they not only beat us but, in the 2nd half, for most of the half, they played the better football and were averaging 78% possession.

Ancelotti is not our saviour — just the final nail in our coffin. There is nothing worse than this for an Evertonian to get beat by a Liverpool team but, fuck me, by a Liverpool youth team!!!

Hardip Singh
158 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:26:52
Shoud have not got beat full stop and the biggest lesson should be that the wastefulness in front of goal cannot be tolerated at all. However, this was a fresh, fit side playing a team of players clearly jaded to the max, hence the contrast in the second half performance. Were Liverpool really going to score if not for the wonderstrike, otherwise it had replay written all over it. Comes down to missed first half chances, which is unacceptable.
Craig Walker
159 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:26:55
Schneiderlin’s sweatband must be sports’ most pointless item.

Why do Everton players put it over the bar or put their laces through it when a side foot into the corner would result in a goal? I don’t care about seeing the net rip. I’d just like to see it ripple and celebrate a win.

Another false dawn to add to the collection.

We urgently need Usmanov and a clear out.

Ian Edwards
160 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:27:38
Ancelotti should take some criticism. I feared the worst when I saw the team selection- especially midfield. No pace at all. Sidibe is a terrible footballer. Walcott is no longer Prem quality. Schneidelin and Sigurdsson too slow. We got penned in second half due to a high press and just gave the ball away. Ancelotti never changed it. We sat too deep and never had a shot on target second half.

None of them are fit to wear the shirt.

Danny Baily
161 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:27:40
I'm pleased Ancelotti is here and it does massively reduce the chances of relegation. But Dunc and 442 would have won that game easily.
Rob Marsh
162 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:28:08
Ancelotti (I hope) would have have learnt a lesson tonight and will now involve big Dunc in setting up the tactics more.

Dunc figured out he was working for the most part with mediocrity and found a system that got better results, now Ancelotti's honeymoon is over, he to has to wise up!

Ian Riley
163 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:28:19
Gavin#115 stop living in the past! Moyes left nearly five years ago. Spent over £300 million since his departure. We were shite before he came and we still are. Today we had over 200 million of talent on that pitch today and deserved to go out to kids. We have money? Yes and let's spend spend, nothing to worry about. Problem is there are rules and the authorities will come down on little Everton like no before.
Alan J Thompson
164 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:28:20
Fran(#114); Quite right, I'd almost play someone from the crowd than Schneiderlin. At least most of the kids would put the effort in. Deadwood or not, it seems the clearout has to continue.
Charles McCann
165 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:29:54
What an absolutey disgraceful display from most of the players today. You could see it coming though. The midfield was so shite. Playing Sigurdsson as a deep midfielder WTF. Who’s idea was that? He is one of the slowest players I’ve seen at this level. Sneiderlinn and Walcott have been terrible for years but keep getting picked. Ancelloti clearly hasn’t seen these players long enough to properly assess them yet. I’m hoping that Ancelloti is just being badly advised The sooner Ancelloti stops listening to Duncan Ferguson and other back room staff and makes his own judgement on players the better. I know it’s sacrilege to criticise Duncan on here but anyway I’ve done it. And what about sidibe? This idea that he is better than Coleman. Wise up. They probably wouldn’t have scored that goal if Seamus had been on. We need players in midfield to get control of the ball and pass through to the attack. This long ball stuff every time has to stop. Trying to win headers to flick the ball on to nobody. Players that need to be shown the door immediately include Sneiderlinn Walcott Sigurdsson Tosun sidibe Niasse Cuco. Let’s bring in some youth. Gordon, adeniran and Gibson all need to be given an opportunity.
Ralph Basnett
166 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:31:41
I can’t even be arsed writing anything to offer a future for Everton as we really will be the clubs in the championship with the best stadium (if that ever happens).

Sick to death of hearing how good they are and that they can’t be arsed with a cup we would cherish only to be ducked over by their kids.

It’s just shoite being an Evertonian .

And Speedo Mick stopped his walk to see Siggi and Schneiderlin walk

Adrian Evans
167 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:32:21
For christ sake,who bought Wallcott,Tosun,Moise Keane.£75 million.
We announce the biggest loss in our history.
Who the F is looking at the players we buy.

Keane,couldnt make it in the Welsh League on what he has shown me.

Never mind the 1st Div of the championship.His balance, understanding, brain just aint there.

Who ever is scouting,saying this player is something special lets pay £25 million want certifying.

Danny Ings, watch him.
Barnes was on fire for Burnley.
You could pick up three better than we got for our £75 million in the EFL.

Today back to the Norwich display, Sheffield Utd.
Dont finish and ya in trouble.Should have buried them 3-0 by half time.

We are going to need Jan to May to clear out the crap.
Ancelotti is just a good coach manager miricles we cant expect,well one keep us up will do.

Brands,he should go he hasnt a clue.

I could pick a player better than he could.
Picked up Stuart Rimmer from us for Chester £10,000.Earl Barrett £8000from Man City, Graham Abel Maccelesfied,all for Chester in mid 80's.

Two went for £1 million,the other valued at £400k.

For god sake its a mess with what we spent, what we got.

We better win all our home games,a couple away.
Get 42 points asap then play the youngsters.

Role on May.

Jamie Evans
168 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:32:29
A new low or an all time low ?

Both probably.

We might as well give up on ever winning there. Ever.


Good luck Carlo.

Paul Tran
169 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:33:15
Ancelotti's first job is to make our midfield a proper unit, headed by a big strong bastard that drives the team forwards.
Joe McMahon
170 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:33:51
also a complete overhual of the Unsworth B Team. It's not supporting the senior team, just looks at that lot in red today. Arrgggghh, this clubs is killing us.
Brian Harrison
171 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:34:04
Well I hope the posters that keep coming on here saying we have a good squad will hopefully see how deluded they are. One team full of Internationals and one full of kids, yes first half we created 3 or 4 good chances, but even in the first half these kids had better possession stats. Second half it was only ever going to end one way, they made our team look exactly what they are a bunch of third rate players. Their movement their first touch was very good in the second half no movement from us and most of our players need 2 or 3 touches to bring the ball under control.

I said the other day that Carlo would learn a lot from the City game and todays game thinking Liverpool would rest 1 or 2 first teamers not thinking he would rest the lot and play the kids, one was just 16. I am sure he along with us is totally embarrassed a the total ineptness of his players. What impact it will have on the rest of the season I don't know, but thankfully this game happened just as the transfer window is open. I said the other day I doubt more than 1 or 2 of these players will still be in the first team in 12 months. Carlo welcome to Everton and you will need all your expertise to turn this titanic around. But you are our only hope, for those Blues who live far away from the City how lucky are you, because those of us who live in this City will get unmerciful stick from our Red supporting friends and family

Stephen Brown
172 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:34:37
My 5 year old Is just starting to get into football and loves Everton! He’s got the kits, the posters, sings the songs etc ! He’s got the bug!

I’m genuinely thinking of telling him not to bother!! We’ve got tickets for Next Saturday a nice 9 hour round trip to watch those heartless frauds!

Ashamed !!

Richard Diver
173 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:34:37
Brought a gun to a knife fight... and still got killed. The only positive I can see is that CA will never get a clearer demonstration of what is wrong with this squad.
Andrew Keatley
174 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:35:07
Brian (128) - Right, am with you now! I somehow got the wrong end of the stick.
Gary Willock
175 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:35:10
Today has been simply horrific. Simple things like passing, control and passion just missing. No shape, no pace, no skill and no fight. Embarrassing beyond words.

Ancelotti and Brands need to act very quickly. No more “getting to know players”. We need 3-4 players MINIMUM JUST to shore us up to the end of the year!

Ideally 2 in the centre of the park (1 ‘gana’ and 1 ‘gomes’), and one at the back with a left foot. I’d also like to see Carlo be brave and try to bring some of our OWN kids in.

Playing Schniederlin/Delph (or even Sigurdsson on this form) over Davies and Walcott over Gordon, serves no purpose whatsoever. None. Hopefully the last few games have been their final auditions.

We also need to be able to play 4-3-3. The shite didn’t have better players today, they simply had a better system. Copy it FFS.

Massive worry is the work needed in summer. Even if Gbamin and Gomes come back, and we sort a midfield, we need competition in the GK, LB, RB areas, as well as new quality up top.

Scary times. Roll the dice or settle for mediocrity.

Barry Rathbone
176 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:36:13
Klopp's plan of playing kids to show the world just how cack we are worked a treat. I tuned in for the second half on the strength of internet reports saying they had the reserves out then after 10 mins agog at the painful inadequacy switched off

I cringed at:.

Holgate showing how under pressure he simply can't pass a ball.

Coleman displaying his usual lack of composure as under no pressure chucked a throw in straight to a red shirt.

Richarlison and his "not at the races" routine clumsily losing possession on the edge of the box instead of playing Digne in on the overlap.

Add in non-entities like Snides and Siggi and it's no surprise reserves are beating us.

The combination of footballing smarts, athleticism and technique just doesn't exist at this club hence we collapse in any mildly difficult circumstance yet some indulge that ludicrous delusion we have good players that just need a bit of direction - mindless

Terry Farrell
177 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:37:55
I never want to see schnerdelin or Walcott in an Everton shirt again. Only we could put out a 1st 11 and lose to that line up they put out. Once you don't take 3 or 4 gilt edged chances the writing is on the wall but 2and half we created nothing. It's a long road...
Tony Twist
178 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:39:37
I think Pickford was to blame for the goal, how often is he beaten like that, too often. He is neither a man mountain type of keeper or an acrobatic keeper. He has zero presence and is badly effected by the jeers from the crowd. He is flawed.
Jerome Shields
179 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:39:42
Maybe Everton should have sent The under 23 team to Anfield, on pass performances they would have been better.
John Audsley
180 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:39:46
After match comments are odd from Ancelotti. No apology on the performance and says he has all week to train with the players and that will be good yeah thanks for that
Gavin Johnson
181 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:39:52
Ian, it's you living in the past talking about Moyes and Kenwright. They went 15 years without a win and it's, they, who created the mental block we have now and you're talking like they were halcyon days. Even Walter Smith used to give them a game at Anfield.

You also mentioned the debt like we're going to become the next Leeds United. No, it's not going to make any difference to building the stadium. We do have a world class, who's been here, all of 5 minutes. Stop wanting us to be the plucky little Everton that overachieved but never had a chance against the big boys.

Andrew Keatley
182 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:40:49
I felt sorry for Holgate and Mina. When you are playing against a high press then you need energetic, quick, skilful midfielders who will show for the ball, give options, and be able to retain the ball and move it forward; we have Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Delph. It’s never going to work.
David Donnellan
183 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:41:57
I am not going to salivate about the way the shite played, they have more than enough cheerleaders literally everywhere ready to wave their Pom-poms without any blues joining in.
All I can say is that, that 2nd half was as bad as anything I have seen under Silva. If he didn’t know already, Ancelotti will certainly know how big a task he has on his hands now.
The 2nd half followed on from what I saw from the City game. Too much standing off them & not enough competing. The ball was like a hot potato, nobody seemed to want it & kept giving it away, the quality of the passing was non existent, not one of them rolled their sleeves up 2nd half & drove it to them, very disappointing! A lot of bad performances.
Of course we could have been out of sight, with the decent chances we had in the 1st half.
There is definitely an inferiority complex when we play against them amongst the players, even against their kids, as evidenced today!
I don’t live in Liverpool, but there are hundreds of the bastards around here & they are the same gloating glory-hunting shitheads that you would expect!
Embarrassing & disappointing performance today!
Craig Walker
184 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:45:39
11 kids will beat 9 men. Sig and Schneiderlin might as well not have played today.
Ray Jacques
185 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:46:21
Give Ancelotti time. He will clear out the dross starting with our neurotic goalkeeper. This time next year I would be surprised if more than one of them charlatans are in our first eleven. The only one I would keep is Richarlison as he has potential if coached well. The rest are a shambles with no heart,desire, poor technique, no pace. Makes me mad and embarrassed to say I am a supporter. I actually despise our players and have no affinity towards any of them.
Christy Ring
186 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:47:27
Ancelotti team's selection was very poor, shape ridiculous, why didn't h continue with Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison together, the shite must have been laughing with two frauds in midfield, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin, Lallana had a field day. I'd say Dunc was livid, why didn't he learn from Duncan and play Holgate and Davies in midfield, and bring more physicality, instead of letting the kids run around, and no one near them. Spineless.
Ralph Basnett
187 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:47:53
Unless we have all forgotten Villa beat an even weaker Second Shoite team 5 -0.

The double psychology of telling DCL he is shoite so that he plays well fell flat on its face, he had two good games, he is still shoite as is most of our first team.

Derek Taylor
188 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:48:45
Tony Twist at 178, you are talking bollox. Give the young kid some credit for a great shot. Just a pity he wasn't playing for us when our pathetic strikers were missing all those chances in the first half.

That's who to blame !

Richard Nelson
189 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:48:52
There's only 3 teams in Liverpool...Liverpool, Liverpool Reserves & the Liverpool U21's...!
Graham Hammond
190 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:49:04
Sigurdsson should have been hooked after thirty minutes or less. It was embarrassing to watch. Walcott is a charlatan of a player. Schneiderlin? WTF? Abysmal team selection by Ancelloti today which even three substitutions couldn't rectify. An absolutely disgraceful performance. Thank god we kept hold of Holgate for this though!
Harry Johnson
191 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:49:26
Well it didn't take our new world class manager to undo all Big Dunc's good work. After watching my beloved blues for over 50 years not only am I resigned to not seeing us win another trophy I now realise I will not see us win another fecking Derby. I have never felt lower than I do tonight.
John Boon
192 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:49:28
I have read every post on this site and agree with all of them, and they can't all be wrong. We were out played and more important out fought. That was the weakest exhibition at a Derby that I have witnessed since my first one back in 1947. Unfortunately I now have a new word in my football vocabulary, "ACCEPTANCE". We are basically a poor team with bad management from top to bottom.

However I am an Evertonian through and through. I hate everything red as much as anybody, but I did note that the Anti Ancelotti brigade have already begun. Personally I think that is ridiculous and far too soon. He would have to be a Magician to instantly turn this team around. Whether he made poor substitutions or not is immaterial. He NOW knows just what he has inheritted and my ACCEPTANCE of the present mediocrity hopefully is only temporary.

From today's reports we are in the hole finacially as well as not having enough good players. Dreadful to have such low expectations, but all I want him to do this season is to avoid relegation and have something to look forward to for 2020 -2021.I know that has been the case for many years but Ancelotti deserves at least a decent try to turn things around.

Paul Jeronovich
193 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:49:48
Never felt lower where Everton are concerned. If I had a child choosing a team to follow I would not push them to Everton, it’s just not fair on them!
Phil Smith
194 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:51:43
Was gonna post but Fran (104) pretty much says it all. My confidence in Ancelotti has evaporated as quickly as it materialised.
Colin Wordsworth
195 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:52:53
Gary, 175 totally correct, you could also add Digne over Baines, who has been totally poor this season. In many respects at least Davies didn't play so nobody on here can blame him for the defeat! On another note, how does bernard get on the pitch? nice touches but no pace, power, goals or delivery. and is slower than schneiderlain.
Terry Farrell
196 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:55:32
It's that bad that my decent liverpool mates aren't even gloating. They are saying that we could av been 3 up at HT. They know how significant this is and want to look away!
Tony Williams
197 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:55:34
EMBARRASSING. not far off the side that Villa hammered 5-0
Mike Galley
198 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:55:58
Really don't know what to say about that. I think we're all angry beyond words.
Seen some comments about the season being over already. Is it?
The thought of this shower of gutless frauds trying to keep us up in a relegation battle leaves me in a cold sweat.
The lack of quality all the way through the team is now there for all to see.
I know we all have different opinions on players, but the sale of anyone of these players would not disappoint me. That includes Richarlison, DCL, Holgate, the whole lot of them!
Si Turner
199 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:57:33
Too many poor performances for us to deserve anything out of this game - Siggi, Holgate, Richarlison, Calvert Lewin, Schneiderlen all poor and Walcott poor in the second half aswell.

The most depressing however was that when they scored we simply give up. I cant remember us giving up in a derby at 1-0 and this was against kids

Carlo will already have known the players that need replacing but this will only have firmed up his transfer plans for the summer.

We desperately need Gomes back and better central midfielders to come in during the window because no-one else in midfield seems to be able to keep hold of possession and play positive forward passes.

Steve Guy
200 Posted 05/01/2020 at 18:57:44
Sorry but why the fuck is anyone having a go at Ancelotti ??? He’s been at the Club for less than 2 effing weeks ! Get a bleeding grip. He’s been dealt a shit hand and now he knows just how poor half our side are and bang average the rest of them are. It’ll take him 3 or 4 windows to sort this mess out. Thank the football gods we’ve at last got a world class manager and give him the time to create a team worthy of the Club.
Gary Willock
201 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:00:03
People blaming Pickford for that goal are nuts it was a sweet strike, in the top corner, with loads of swerve and dip. He did well getting near it.

John@180 - surely the point he’s making is valid. He needs to get them to understand what he wants. It doesn’t happen over night, it takes time, and some new players to help do it.

Klopp’s system won today. They all know how to play it. It makes average players look great. Carlo will do that for us, but we need to give him time (and investment!) to do it.

No manager in the world could undo the shite that Walsh, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva have inflicted on our club over night.

Hugh Jenkins
202 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:00:14
I have just said, on the live forum. We now have a world class manager -but not a world class team.

That, hopefully will begin to be redressed in the top level meeting Ancelotti is having this week to discuss transfers.

Bear in mind - this man has beaten the RS home and away and drawn with them at Anfield this season when he managed Napoli - so it's not the manager that is at fault.

John P McFarlane
203 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:00:58
So much for the new manager bounce syndrome. Duncan got the Chelsea and United matches and then saw the team revert to type for the Arsenal game. Ancelotti got the Burnley and Newcastle games and the players reverted to type for the Man City game and even more concerningly they couldn't even raise their game for an FA Cup tie on the ground of the old rivals.

Saturday's encounter against Brighton becomes yet another pressure game because the supporters have been kicked in the proverbials today and it'll take quite some time for those wounds to heal.

Any trust or goodwill that was built up between derby encounters with the fans and players has been tossed aside by the players. Make no mistake, this crop of players aren't the backs to the wall, fight until you drop types, they are overpaid, over-rated lightweights.

Six or seven wins will probably be enough to see the club ok for another season in the top-flight, but will these serial bottlers be able to provide that number of victories from the remaining seventeen matches? Trips to Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and home games with today's opponents, Leicester and Man United will likely result in losses. Which means that those six or seven wins will have to come from a dozen games of which five are away from Goodison.

Today is an extremely low point in the long history of low points, but if the club isn't careful this could turn out to be the season from hell - if this group of players are allowed to do what they want when they want and to continually show utter disrespect to the club and its supporters. This is not a time for meaningless sound-bites, there is no place for pretty football, this is a time to get those points on the board asap because if this bunch go into the last few matches requiring points to stay up - they'll fail.

Tony Hill
204 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:01:05
The only player who came over to the fans after that debacle was Sidibe, who is not our man. Says it all.
Andrew Ellams
205 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:01:16
Steve today was as much down to poor selection and tactics as the gutless performances. He needs to kill the 3 at the back idea right now.
Jay Wood

206 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:02:20
Dave @ 131.

'1878- 2020, that was the most humiliating defeat and performance since we were formed...the darkest day in the club’s history.'

That's exactly how I feel, Dave.

I really feel for all city-based Blues tonight. Or maybe, in 'their' eyes, we are so far behind them, so much beyond a parody and a joke now, that there is no longer any sport in mocking us anymore. Rather, they can be even more condescending by...pitying us.

Because today was pitiful. I have never, ever, felt as bad about an Everton defeat as I do right now.

Rick Tarleton
207 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:02:52
Ferguson had the sense to see that our defenders hadn't the speed or skill to play from the back, so he got Pickford to hoof it forward. The result was that we got into the opposing half. Mina, Keane (not playing today,but equally slow) and Holgate are not capable of playing out from the back.
Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson have no engine whatsoever, so we are cconstantly overrun in midfield. Then we have three forwards who race forward as individuals, never looking to play together. How can this go on?
I keep reading that Brands is a great assessor of players, so far his record is not exactly impressive. He isn't to blame for all our poor players, but he isn't exactly recruiting players who set the pulse racing.
Brian Harrison
208 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:03:22
Regarding recruitment how come apart from Wayne Rooney over the last 20 years we have had 4 kids brought up as Evertonians who all ended up playing for the other lot. Fowler, Owen, Macmanaman and Carragher, blimey Michael Owens father played for our reserves. How come as I say apart from Rooney don't we pick up and keep any talented kid from this City.

Yes we have won the Under 23 league for the past couple of season but where are these kids. Only Anthony Gordon from this group has had any minutes on the pitch.

Paul A Smith
209 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:03:27
You know when its worse to slag Ferguson though Charles 165. Its when you talk absolute shite and guess at things you haven't a clue about or cannot prove in a lifetime.
Anthony Jones
210 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:03:42
To be fair, this is Moshiri reaping what he sowed.

Yeah, he's a billionaire, but he has made a lot of crap footballers and bullshitters very rich.

If you want to see how it can be done, look at Wolves.

Peter Neilson
211 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:04:02
Just back and more angry/embarrassed by that display than the 5-2. Why revert to playing out from the back when we don’t have the players capable of it? Two relics in midfield,Gylfi and Morgan, who don’t have the legs against players their own age. Gylfi as a defensive midfielder if farcical the guy thinks flapping his hands and telling other players what to do (which they ignore) is the limit of his duties. Elsewhere poor performances all over the pitch. Must be intimidated by Anfield rather than the team in front of them. Truly shameful performance.
Phil Rodgers
212 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:04:11
The lowest of the low today.
Graham Coldron
213 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:04:22
Ray @185 is spot on.We will be supporting a different team in the not too distant future.At the moment the team is bereft of pace which is always a handicap to any team.

Yeah, today's performance was bad and showed how fragile the team's mindset/attitude is even Koeman identified this early doors when he is in charge.

It looked that the team mentally collapsed when those early chances didn't go in.Even if they had gone in the team's mindset would then have planted seeds of doubt as to whether a 2 or 3 goal was going to be enough.

Daft as it sounds being on live telly didn't help as we always seem to be utterly white on live telly.

We have a manager who can attract top drawer players and the likes of Schenerdelin etc who are essentially too slow will be shipped out.

Ever and onward - cmoub.

Stephen Brown
214 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:04:49
I’m in agreement with getting rid of all these players but where do they go ?

Who would consider paying money for these players ?

Can some Chinese or US teams buy Walcott, Siggurson ?

Can a Turkish team buy Tosun?

Who’d buy Delph, Niasse, Keane, Bernard, Martina, ?

Don’t forget Bolasie and Sandro!

We’d be lucky to get any team to take them even if they were free transfers!

£100m losses posted today too plus a stadium to pay for ! I don’t think anyone has enough money to sort this out quickly!

Gary Hughes
215 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:06:53
Just remember these wonder kids that just embarrassed us were twatted 5 nil by Villa a few weeks ago. We have truly hit rock bottom, I honestly would not care if this club was liquidated tomorrow. At least we would never have to endure these spineless c**ts ever again.
Andrew Keatley
216 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:08:05
Tony (197) - The Liverpool team that beat us today had only 2 players (Chirivella and Elliott) who played in the 5-0 defeat versus Aston Villa. The day was bad enough without people making inaccurate statements that make it seem worse.
Colwyn Harris
217 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:10:04
Niasse should have been given a go. He'd have shown more heart than the others. Is this the same lot that beat Chelsea, and held Man U, at Trafford?

Already, I'm getting bludgeoned by my Red buddies, here in SA... 😕

C'mon, you Blues... Get a wake up!

Colwyn Harris
218 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:10:22
Niasse should have been given a go. He'd have shown more heart than the others. Is this the same lot that beat Chelsea, and held Man U, at Trafford?

Already, I'm getting bludgeoned by my Red buddies, here in SA... 😕

C'mon, you Blues... Get a wake up!

Ian Edwards
219 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:10:38
Steve Guy. I think you'll find Ancelotti put Schneidelin and Sigurdsson in central midfield. No one else. Ancelotti did. Ancelotti. Yes. Ancelotti.
Jason Lloyd
220 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:10:51
Allan 141 yes it's an insult to Everton Football Club. They should be ashamed.

The transfer decisions made since Moyes left have cost the club, I think 20% of the signings have been worthwhile, whilst blowing £450+ million in the process.

The only way to escape is more spending to increase the quality and mentality.

And record losses plus losing to Liverpool 3rds on the same day. I think that this is the lowest point of the season and I hope this is rock bottom.

When Liverpool lost the title with the Gerard slip that summer they recruited the worlds top sports psychologist and since then have not looked back.

Moshiri and the Board take note.

Trevor Peers
221 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:10:55
There are no excuses for that pathetic performance I counted 5 good chances in the 1st half hour, each time the shot or header went straight to the keeper. DCL may have knocked a few goals in lately but he's no where near being a top striker, we just don't have one at the club.

Despite needing a replacement for Lukaku for so many transfer windows it just hasn't happened, there's something very wrong at the club, as it incapable of recognizing this fatal flaw for so long, totally unforgivable. We have a real problem finding goalscorer's despite spending an absolute fortune. Of course there are other issues in midfield.

Ancelotti has to be given time to see if he can put them right. I just hope he doesn't get sucked into the disastrous defeatism that is destroying the club, he will need to be a genius to put us back at the top but If someone with his pedigree can't build a decent team I doubt that anyone else can either.

Paul Birmingham
222 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:12:44
Unforgivable and there’s no excuses. This in my book is the lowest point in a life time of lows mixed in with a few good years in the mid 80s.

The whole team should be sacked for dereliction of duty and care on the pitch. Based on this showing these frauds don’t give a damm, about Everton off the pitch.

The gulf in class and mindset his huge, and the work ethic and focus by the RS kids today, puts Everton’s coaching to shame and into question.

I’ve never felt so low after a Derby defeat, and the manner of defeat.

Yes piss poor finishing but who’s instilled the notion of playing and wasting 65% of our possession doing suicide pass’sin and outside the box.

Pickford kicking again the cause of their goal, which was a cracker, but we played like we’d lost the war at half time, as we didn’t show in the second half.

Time for Harry Catterick and kick some arses out the club. Surely Carlo, has seen his own vision of hell today, and this i# gonna be his biggest job ever.

I’m seriously considering not bothering any more, as the angst and unhappiness Everton causes, is now a lifetime burden.

I’ll probably feel better in the week, but gutted and another season over with downing of the Christmas decorations.

Brighton, they’ll piss on us if we play like today.

Perhaps the cliche positive is, it can’t get worse, alas with EFC, they set world records in causing despair,

Le Vie Cest La Vie.

Andrew Presly
223 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:12:55
Shameful and pitiful but the most damning thing I can think of is that this isn’t a shock. It’s not. That’s the worst part.

We’ll go on a decent run in the league now knowing us. With any real pressure to actually win anything being off we’ll do enough to fall “just short” of the Europa League places and look ahead to good old next season.

Apt they highlighted mental health today. It won’t aid anyone’s to dwell on these cowards for too long.

Max Murphy
224 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:13:11
Everton FC should be relegated. They do not deserve to be playing in the Premier League.

Maybe a dose of Championship football could see them surface from this demise and turn a corner – but the way they're playing, they wouldn't survive in the Championship.

Simon Dalzell
225 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:13:23
No Steve # 200. I don't care how long hes been here, , what he has done in the past, or how crap the players are. His team selection, substitutions and general management were piss poor TODAY. Ian #160 spot on. The midfield was wrong to start, and should have been changed much earlier. Leaving the too statues together for so long was diabolical.
Ian Edwards
226 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:13:35
That team had no pace. We would have been better with Bolasie, Lookman and Niasse.
Lenny Kingman
227 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:13:40
Ancelloti's eyebrow is joining up with the back of his neck after that shambles. He will be offering the club all the wages he has already banked on his contract plus the same again to get the hell out of Dodge. Right now.
Ray Jacques
228 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:13:48
Read the last paragraph of the match report on the BBC web site. Siggurdsen out paced,heavy legged and not fit for purpose
Walcott a horror show riddled with dreadful decisions and poor giving up of possession.

Hopefully a watershed moment for the players involved in this loss and the beginning of the end of their time at the club.

I live in hope that this is the case.

Bill Watson
229 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:15:07
What a gutless shambles of a second half. That was as bad as I've seen. Why can't we string more than two passes together before giving the ball away to the opposition.

With a decent striker we'd have been well ahead by half time but we allowed those kids to grow into the game.

I've just had to endure a load of gloating RS on the bus and train home. We're a laughing stock.

At least Ancelotti now knows the scale of the task ahead of him.

Harry Johnson
230 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:17:06
The biggest worry for me is Ancelotti here for the project and does he have the the drive and ambition to get us up the table? Or us the salary too good to turn down and will provide that bit extra in his retirement. Time will tell and I pray that the former is true or else we are well and truly up shit creek without a paddle!!
Peter Mills
231 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:19:00
Well done to those players out there today, they will go down in history for producing the most shameful half of football ever from an Everton team, and the worst result.

A gutless, spineless, pathetic display.

Julian Exshaw
232 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:19:51
When the initial draw was made I guess most of us felt we were already out. At 4pm most of us thought we would never have a better chance to beat them there. By 6pm, most of us had never seen such a shambolic 45 minutes of football in our lives as Everton fans.
David Greenwood
233 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:20:25
That was so bad. I still can't believe that second half.

The only positive I can see is that Carlo now knows that Schniederlin, Siggy and Walcott should never play for Everton again.

You'd be better off playing three u23's, three folk from the crowd, or starting with eight men rather than any if them.

Seamus great servant but a pale shadow of the player he was. Too quite, doesn't dig his own players or the ref at all. We need a midfielder as captain, who can be right in everyone's faces the whole game.

Digne, clearly carrying an injury and until that clears up it should be Baines starting.

Sidibe, Mina, Holgate, Richie, DCL, Davies possibly worth persevering with, Holgate has to play on the right hand side of any defence.

Kean will never come good, Bernard won't get any better and Delph is an expensive downgrade on Mccarthy.

And for Carlo, no more passing the ball around at the back for it and we certainly don't have the midfield prepared to work hard and move into the space to collect a pass from a defender.

Ray Robinson
234 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:21:18
The only positive from today is that it will highlight to Ancelotti beyond any remaining doubt that some players have no future at the club. I feel another clearout, financial fair play and available funding permitting, over the next few windows. There's nowhere to go with at least half of this squad.
Andy Walker
235 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:22:31
Absolutely the final, conclusive proof that the players aren’t good enough. Are you reading this Stan Schofield? Dare to tell us how good the Everton kids and the squad are after that?
Jamie Crowley
236 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:25:23
We're down now to weekly games. There should be no "tired legs", no excuses.

I've thought about this puke-inducing performance the last few hours and have come to a conclusion.

We have three players that continually under-perform. They have continually been given time and time again to redeem themselves. They continually fail at that opportunity, and miraculously are given yet another chance to redeem themselves. It's a revolving theme that is dragging this Club down.

Morgan Schneiderlin, Gilfy Sigurddson, and Theo Walcott simply must not play moving forward. They are too slow, or too old, or too chicken-with-head-cutoff, or pick your criticism.

Those three are not the future of this Club, and we need to move on and sell them off, at a loss if necessary, along with all the other dead weight still on the payroll.

Surely Carlo realizes it's time to turn the page?

If he starts any of those three again, barring excuse for injury in the squad, he's blind.

That's my litmus test for Carlo presently.

Dave Evans
237 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:25:52
I have always defended players on here. Not one for hyperbole. But after consideration and in context, this is the worst performance from an Everton team in 40 years.
Klopp wanted us to win this game to get out of the FA cup and his kids team out fought and out played us.
Has there ever been a greater disconnect in attitude between our team and the fans?
George McKane
238 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:27:46
Why do we seem to think that "Carlo" will have learnt anything from today - - particularly about S and S in midfield - - he picked them - - surely he has been watching them in training or videos of past games - - if he hasn't then what has he been doing - - if he hasn't "learnt" by today I wonder when he will learn - - I am for him but he has to do something to make me believe that he is a man who can change things - - right now I am unconverted but willing to become a believer.
Liam Reilly
239 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:29:13
When the chances were missed in the first half, you just knew.

I'm not angry anymore, just apathetic. Fire sale in the summer and a complete rebuild from the ground up.

Alan McGuffog
240 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:30:03
Only saw second half. I'm nearly 67 and can say with hand on heart that I really don't give a fuck anymore.
Those kids in red were wonderful. I'm full of admiration. Truly.
My suggestions...get Usmanov on board. Buy out the contracts of everyone of those frauds today. The frauds who wore the same shirts as Collins, Gabriel, Harvey, Wilson, Ball, Reid, Sheedy. Sack them.
Close down Finch Farm. Compare what their kids had today with Davies. What's the point.
Start again from scratch.
Not sure what disgusts me most. The inability to trap a football and pass to a blue shirt. Or the lack of shame in being unable to do so.
So. My debut was in 1961...I'm finished.
God bless all you who keep the faith and a light burning.
Stephen Brown
241 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:30:48
The biggest travesty for me is the wages all these players will pick up on Friday will be north of £50k for the week some will be double that!

It’s an outrage!

James O'Connell
242 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:31:38
It's probably all been said already on here but I feel like this group of players constantly let us down. Poor finishing in the first half and a total shambles in the second. I didn't feel like one player in blue wanted to or believed they could win the game. Can't blame the manager now, a massive clear out and rebuilding project needed.
Tony Twist
243 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:33:13
Derek (188), your support for our keeper is commendable. I just say it how I see it. Yes the Liverpool player caught it well but you can't deny that Pickford has his weaknesses. He is flawed.
Roger Helm
244 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:33:21
Well, all we ever buy is players not good enough to get into other teams, moderate to poor players at madly inflated prices, players who have had a good spell in an inferior league, and the only Brazilian in the nation who can’t trap, dribble or pass a football.

When we do get a decent player like Lukaku or Idrissa, we sell them on for a poor price, even with plenty of contract time left.

Having assembled this shower, we don’t get them fit or organised or motivated. I think if Ancelotti can’t sort the club out over the next few years, who can?

Paul A Smith
245 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:34:25
Potter will have the easiest team talk he ever makes next week. Everton back in the mire?
Ray Robinson
246 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:35:12
Alan #240. I'm the same age as you. I too first went to Goodison in 1961. You know you will never be able to give up on the Blues now. Wait till your understandable hurt subsides.
Chris Leyland
247 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:35:12
There is no excuse for the performance of any of the players out there today, they simply shamed our club. I’ve seen us lose 5-0 to them, I’ve seen us lose semi finals and finals to them but I never felt embarrassed to be an Evertonian until this evening.
Jamie Crowley
248 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:35:33
I honestly believe if Everton ever put in the type of performance they did today again, or if ANY manager starts Theo, Morgan, and Gylfi again, the fans should lose their shit and verbally lacerate the team and Club.

From everything I've experienced on TW over my 14/15 years, and everything I've read and tried to glean, Scousers are an independent, free-thinking, can't-pull-the-wool-over-the-eyes people. My Bostonian roots, for my money, make me a very close cousin.

If any of you are ever subjected to that level of shit-show again, please just go straight toxic for me. And I mean like vicious toxicity with malice.

Richard Nelson
249 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:37:14
...some people on here are already slagging Ancelotti off...but in all honesty you only really learn about your players in adversity, when the chips are down, when the occasion is too hot to handle. admittedly Delph & Davies should have come on at HT bur realistically what could Klopp have done with that lot after only 3 weeks...!
Steve Barr
250 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:37:59
Typical FA Cup tie where the crap team raises its game against the class outfit and jams a win!
Liverpool should have been should have been 3-0 down at half time!
Christy Ring
252 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:40:42
Looking at the bright side, next Saturday against Brighton, or for the rest of the season, we shouldn’t see Sigurdsson, Delph Schneiderlin and Walcott, I’m probably being a bit kind, could have added a few more players
Harry Johnson
253 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:40:52
Alan @ 240 totally agree with everything you say. I have a season ticket so will still be there for the rest if this season in Upper Gwladys hoping for an up turn in fortune. At the same age as your good self I fear all the good days as as a blue are behind me. Today is a really low ebb and for the first time in my life feel embarrassed to be a Blue. Sad times indeed.
Michael Lynch
254 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:41:49
Very disappointed that DCL seemed to be back to the old DCL. I know Ancelotti was giving him a boost by saying how he could be a world class player, or whatever bollocks it was he said, but sadly it's bullshit. Good player, good attitude, but not good enough if we're going to take on the likes of the Shite. Origi was twice the player today, and he can hardly get a sniff at Anfield. Same goes for our entire midfield and most of our defence. Oh, and our goalie.

Jamie Crowley
255 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:42:11
Steve Barr -

You're 100% correct. We should have been three goals up minimally.

But we didn't take our chances, and we paid the price.

The galling thing isn't the missed opportunities. It's the complete lack of effort and passion after those misses in the first 20 to 25 minutes, in a derby!

It's entirely unacceptable, and for me, fans should be absolutely furious and outraged.

It's Everton FFS. We're not winning every game. But my God, can we demand some degree of passion and effort?

They couldn't even be bothered today, against Liverpool, in a derby!

That's a mortal, mortal Blue sin.

Ray Jacques
256 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:42:51
If Liverpool should have been 3 down at half-time then how can people blame Ancelotti. It is the gutless players who are to blame. Not one of them are his buys.
Gavin Johnson
257 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:44:54
We missed Tom Davies's mobility in midfield today. One thing he would have done that neither Sigurdsson or Schneiderlin did today was run with the ball. Schneiderlin hasn't got too long left on his contract so we might be able to offload him for a nominal fee, but Sigurdsson and Delph are going to be expensive bench warmers.

Despite the embarrassment of today, I do think that Ancelotti will bring in a quality CB and midfielder this window.

Terry Farrell
258 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:46:30
On another note I think Carlo is a class act but had Duncan been in charge today I believe that we would have won. He would have played this as a battle. No passes from Pickford to players on the edge of the box that led to sweet fa
Jamie Crowley
259 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:46:39
Ray -

Would you have started Morgan and Gylfi in midfield?

Carlo should avoid most of the blame, but not all of it!

Who the hell starts an aging Icelandic fella past his prime, and a guy who slows us down to a crawl, both slow as fuck, against a team that play blitzkrieg, heavy-metal football starting a bunch of young kids who can run like the wind???

Kinda stupid.

Shane Corcoran
260 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:47:32
We were never in a position to be 3-0 up as we were never 2-0 up. Pet hate of mine. We should have taken the lead on three occasions. That is all.
Tony Everan
261 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:47:32
Embarrassing defeat to Liverpool's reserves. At least 3 players just not good enough to wear the shirt and need to be shipped out asap.

You know who they are.

Mike Powell
262 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:47:45
Buying these second hand, and reject players from other clubs who don't want them, as finally caught up with us, I have never felt so embarrassed to be an Everton fan in all my fifty years of going to GOODISON. I don't know if I can carry on going, I am sick of being heart broking watching this shower.Today as got to be the worst performance in a Derby I have ever witnessed, and I have seen some bad performance's. So Everton you can fuckoff had enough, never thought I would say this about the club I have followed all over Europe, but can't take anymore
Steve Barr
263 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:49:06

Agree 100% mate. Desperately trying to console myself and failing miserably:(

Dave Abrahams
264 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:49:20
Michael (254), Origi had another ten players alongside him, working together as a team who all played to a well organised system which they did very well.

Everton did not seem to have any shape or plan, especially in the second half when they simply gave up.

Alan Johnson
265 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:49:29
Can't fathom it out... They should be coming off bruised and battered fighting for the fans. Shamefully embarrassing performance. My worst Everton team ever.
Richard Nelson
266 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:49:38
…"could of", "should of"... THEY DIDN'T...FFS...!
Kenny Smith
267 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:49:42
My dry January has gone to fucking pot after today’s calamity. For 45 minutes we were mediocre then we managed to even surpass all of the shite performances rolled into one since Martinez’s first season for the second 45.
We are a fucking laughing stock because our so called best 11 containing players we paid 30, 28, 26, 45, 40 million for were well beaten by a team struggling to make the bench across the park. Some of those players should never play again for the first team but I think we’ve all said that a few times over the last couple of years for them to keep turning out and embarrassing us again and again. The only good thing to come out of today was that Ancelotti saw with him own beady eye how shite a gutless some of his players actually are. Walcott bar a few ‘probably accidental’ crosses in the first half was shite, Sigurdsson runs like he’s on a treadmill and Schneiderlin plays like a fan who’s won a competition to turn out for his beloved blues without the passion.
We’ve bought some shite in the January window over the last few years so it’s a gamble to bring anyone in but we’ve got no choice. They need to be proven and playing at the top of their game now or forget it.
Jamie Crowley
268 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:52:16
Kenny Smith -

You made it four days. Well played man! You have more gumption and fortitude than I do!

Jerome Shields
269 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:52:34
What where Everton doing ; passing it around the back with the goalkeeper involved, all looking shaky doing it , inviting young Liverpool players to close them down and giving them time to do so. ???????????

Tactically it's the biggest fuck up In Evertons history.

In a FA Cup at Anfield, against a inexperienced team it should have been long balls forward with Everton forward players pressurising the Liverpool defenders, with Everton supporting runners from midfield. The game in those last 15 minutes should have been confined to the final third at the Kop end.

Pat Kelly
270 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:53:59
Ferguson would've gotten a result today with his leadership and passion. Ancelotti didn't show any of that from the line and never will. Just frustration. He's an aristocrat who works with the best. He can do nothing till he buys a quality team. It'll take a few years and a lot of Usmanov's money.
Kevin Molloy
271 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:55:44
I can imagine those players when they are together slagging the fans off like crazy. 'it's impossible playing in front of that lot' etc. Deep deep down though they must realise what a gutless bunch of cowards they are
Richard Nelson
272 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:55:47
...come back Bernie Wright...all is forgiven...!
George Cumiskey
273 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:56:10
Tony Everan Just 3 players are you fucking joking ?
Andrew Keatley
274 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:56:33
It is very hard for an individual player to perform well in a team that is as shockingly poor as we were in the second half. I know who the four or five players are that I think have consistently put in under par performances over the past two or three years, and rather than turn on Holgate or DCL or anyone who else who failed to play well today, my ire goes towards those that habitually seem to fail to turn up when given the chance to play for this club. The sad reality is that those players are going to continue to be given opportunities because our squad is just not good enough.
Stephen Brown
275 Posted 05/01/2020 at 19:57:41
Controversial comment here but you really have to admire Liverpool!

Well managed from top to bottom! All those players knew the system and just slotted in!

We have no pattern of play, no system, no formation, no type of player.

In fact today the tactic was defend really deep, Mina to Holgate, to Mina to Pickford to smash up the field!

Got to let this go now for my mental health !!!!!

Stan Schofield
276 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:00:54
Andy@235: Yes, I am reading it. A few weeks ago, when Ferguson took charge, ToffeeWeb was full of posts saying how wonderful the players are, all working together for Big Dunc, full of passion and commitment, giving us "our Everton back", etc. That wasn't long after the previous Anfield shit-show under Silva.

I've been on ToffeeWeb for four years, and the pattern is clear: When we put on a shit-show (which is quite frequent), the whole fucking club is shite and needs a complete clear-out. When we put together a few decent performances (which is quite rare), we're suddenly on our way to the promised land with a few judicious signings and letting go of the so-called 'dead wood'.

Come the next phase of decent performances, the future will be all fucking bright again, according to ToffeeWeb anyway. The reality is we have what we have, and the players need to be organised far more frequently than they have been (otherwise we wouldn't keep sacking managers).

Those who are saying "That's it, I'm done" will be back for more as soon as there are some decent results. Being an Evertonian is not a choice, unfortunately.

Ray Jacques
277 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:03:33
Jamie, understand what you are saying, but I went to City on Wednesday when Delph and Davies played in centre mid and were just as bad. Problem is we don't have one class midfielder available. They are all slow paced, can't see a pass forward and give the ball away cheaply. The heartbeat of the team is in cardiac arrest and has been for years.
Andrew Hight
278 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:03:40
Well sad Stan
Paul A Smith
279 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:04:19
Alan 240 theres a hint of that with me too. I hate losing but the circumstances of today don't bother me.

It hurts me more what has happened in the bigger picture. The fact fans turn on each other, the fact the club has been unstabalised for 4 years when during worse times behind the scenes its been more stable, the fact we turn on managers and talk tactics, the fact we convince ourselves we know better than the manager and we have good players if they just read ToffeeWeb and twitter.

The worst thing of all though is the expectation. Its more an hope and a prayer that a worse squad each year will do better.

That sunk in for me ages ago and I don't feel a fraction as bad as some of the posts I have read.
I wish you all nothing but the best but don't expect anything spectacular from this club for a long time and you'll be ok.

Andrew Hight
280 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:04:45
Geoff Williams
281 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:06:35
Sorry but I totally blame Ancelloti for the pathetic second half performance. His team selection was suspect but his tactics were totally wrong. Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson should have been replaced at half-time and Walcott within ten minutes of the start of the 2nd half. Why didn't Ancelloti play DCL and Richarlison in tandem through the middle against two young centre backs? I could go on but what is the point as I've wasted to much of emotional energy on this bunch of losers.
John Boon
282 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:07:01
I have already posted 192 and never double post. I also try to refrain from personally slating players. However I feel today I must break my own taboos. While no Everton player put in any sort of perfomance I sincerely hope we do not, under any circumstances, sign Sidibe after his loan.
In fact I would like to see him shipped back now.Yes he may make two good crosses in a game but that is all. He cannot control a ball, he can't pass and he can't beat a man. He may be a very decent human being but he is not good enough to play for Everton. On second thoughts he is good enough to play for this Everton team. That is just how bad we are.
Dave Williams
283 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:09:57
I can only assume that Carlo liked what he has seen in training from S and S and thought that their experience would be a key weapon against a young team. As others have said anyone could have told him that they do not work together and now he has seen that for himself he surely will dispense with the pair of them.
They played very well but I wonder how many of them would have been seen as ready for the first team under normal circumstances? If I were Gordon, Adeniran,Gibson, Evans etc I would go in to FF tomorrow and train like never before in an effort to show Carlo that they deserve a chance. We have to get energy into midfield and the S men will not improve with a few days rest. Surely one or two of them could be given an opportunity- today would have been ideal bearing in mind they would have played against fellow youth players rather than hardened professionals.
Pickford kicking was bad today but mostly because he was receiving the ball under pressure from our foolish tactic of playing around at the back and mostly the ball was coming to him on his right foot. The defence was playing with fire under pressure so close to our goal and that was because they were getting no help or movement from the central midfielders. Davies should have been on for the whole second half as he would have run, worked and driven forward.
Bad team selection and tactics today but like all of us Carlo is entitled to a mistake or two, but at least now he can see the full extent of our problems.
I am sad to read some posters saying that they are finished. I understand that as shame and embarrassment are the feelings most of us have tonight but hopefully they will feel slightly less that way after a few days.
Looking forward to 550 miles with the boys on the coach for Brighton? You bet!!
Ian Edwards
284 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:10:00
John 282. I agree. Monaco fans on twitter celebrated when we signed him. He can't defend. There were a number of away games where we conceded goals on his flank and he's not even in camera shot.
Alan McGuffog
285 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:10:33
Stephen, not controversial at all. If you actually like football you have to admire them. Is there any one member of our squad that Klipperty would want to sign?
I'm old enough to remember when we were the aristocrats on the park and they were yard dogs. A few years ago.
Shane Corcoran
286 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:10:42
Bang on Stan.
Adrian Evans
287 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:13:12
Ancelotti cant take the hatchet out just yet.
He needs to get six wuns out of this shower.
That waste of space Keane wouldny make a decent pub team around the Wirral,Merseyside.
Suggest Carlo and Dun go have a look next Sunday,i can point him in the right direction.
Thought was going to be up top shake em in their third.

7nor 8 wont play for him after May.

But we need to win most of our home games now,we need 17,18 points.Its horrible thinking like this.

But its the sad reality of 4 years of horrendous business in players,managers.

It is about survival based on this.Ya as goid as your last game,god help us.
Working tomoz lads.

John Reynolds
288 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:13:35
I always try to support everyone who plays for Everton, though some of them make it difficult at times.

If there is a positive from today it’s that
It gives Carlo the perfect platform to start the discard. And there will be many.

If your brief was to build a Top 4/6 side from scratch, which of these would you go out and sign? - Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Mina, Keane, Coleman, Walcott, Bernard, Delph, Tosun, Iwobi or Kean. I’ve left our good young uns out of the question.

There were some saying we should have beaten Leicester because we have a stronger squad/better players, but I just don’t see it. Some of our individuals could do fine in a good side but as a collective we don’t have the quality.

Dave Williams
289 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:14:34
Ps. Are we allowed to recall Kenny from his loan? Far better than Seamus or Sidibe and he would certainly fight especially at Anfield.
Christy Ring
290 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:15:00
I know Ancelotti is only here a couple of weeks, but how can he be blameless. He said Duncan did a superb job in charge, but to change back to short passing at the back, and to pick Siggy and Schneiderlin in midfield, was senseless, we couldn’t have been any worse if we played Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles in midfield.
Joe Foster
291 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:15:18
Well that was effing embarrassing. If there was ever a game to beat them this was it. If we had beat them it would still have been a token win against the junior players. Maybe next time eh.
Mike Dolan
292 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:15:33
I don’t I have ever read so much stupid nonsense in my entire life. The team performance was dismal as it has often been this season but to call the players cowards and quitters while throwing your collective hands in the air and declaring that your done is just slightly ironic don’t you think.


br>There is no doubt that Ancellotti is better than Silva and I dare say that both of them are better than Big Dunc. We are still a team without a midfield. Who’s fault is that?

In the last transfer window we began to correct that problem by signing Gomes and Gbamin who would have been the first names on the team sheet every week. Without an engine there isn’t a team in the world that can look good or a coach that can overcome that deficiency.

We do have good players some are better than others but all are at least worthy of you great supporters not wanting them to fail.

I’m bummed by the result myself, what was it 1-0. A wonder goal beat us. Get a grip it happens.

Mike Price
293 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:15:46
Mercenary manager, mercenary players, mercenary DoF...rotten from top to bottom.
That would not have happened with Ferguson in charge, he may not have been the long term solution but that would not have happened!
Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti all calm without fire and emotion...just doesn’t work.
Roger Helm
294 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:16:37
Stephen 275 I agree - the Liverpool kids looked faster, sharper, fitter and more confident than our millionaires.

We have been like this since Moyes left. There is something wrong with our club and I wish some insider would give us a clue what it is.

Simon Dalzell
295 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:18:00
Good shout Geoff. Surely Davies or even Holgate could have gone into the midfield. From along way out it was an obvious thing to do. How could the manager not see this?
Ralph Basnett
296 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:19:24
When I saw the Shiites line up I thought 5-0, when I saw S and S in our line up I changed to 1-0, obviously to them.

That is how predictable we are with THEM (S and S) in the tea.

For all his faults Tom would have run his Bollox off for this team.

George Cumiskey
297 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:19:29
Mike Dolan ? Oh my god !
Steavey Buckley
298 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:20:38
Everton fans should praise Klopp for putting his trust in the younger players at his club when Everton are ignoring their younger talent. I doubt they could have done worse than the seniors, who were quite appalling, and found it difficult to pass the ball to a team mate in the same blue shirt.

I do not belief the hiring of Ancelotti will solve Everton's playing problems, they have too many players on long lucrative contracts who would take some shifting to move on somewhere else. Duncan was doing a great job being intolerant to players who want an easy life at the club. I don't believe Ancelotti is that type of person. But he won't get the same transfer budget previous managers received. So, it is going to be gruesome until the season ends. And I doubt Everton will be much better next season.

Gavin Johnson
299 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:20:48
At the end of the day Klopp could have taken 11 fans out of the Kop and they would have given us a game. I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever see us win again at Anfield and I'm only 42. The only saving grace from today is that it will remove any doubts in Ancelotti's mind on who he wants to keep and who he wants to keep, and who he wants move on.

Kevin Latham
300 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:22:10
Well it didn’t take long for Ancelotti to get hosed by some of our fans, did it?He’s been here for about a fortnight, so In that time he just might have found it difficult to completely change the gutless culture of our club as well as suss out some of the shite he has at his disposal. As for team selection today I wonder if he involved Duncan in that given his own sketchy experience of them, or did he just steam in and pick players he’s only just getting to know? God knows lads, we’re all really hurting after today’s absolutely shameful embarrassment, but let’s give Carlo time to make his mark. To expect any manager to turn this dysfunctional side around is a big ask, but it may take a couple of years rather than weeks - even Howard the Great needed time and patience, as did Alex Ferguson, and the redshite had to wait a couple of years for Shiny Teeth to put them where they are now. If you recall, many of them wanted him out along the way. For so many of us today was our lowest point as Everton fans (and there’s been a lot of competition for that accolade over the years) and we’re entitled to come on here and reflect that, but we have to get behind Don Carlo. It’s not like he’s an unproven or rookie manager, or had a good season with a ‘lesser’ club. I’m not a happy clapper for Carlo before anyone calls me out on that, in fact I share everyone’s frustration and, well, disgust with today’s fiasco but let’s not rush to judgement on him, like any new manager he’s not working with his own choice of players. If he bombs then he bombs, but he’s a world renowned manager so I just hope we have patience and give him time. It’ll be a hard road with some car crashes on the way no doubt, but if he can turn us into serious challengers for the big prizes then I’m sure we’ll accept that.
Barry Rathbone
301 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:22:27
At least Mosh got one thing right judging by some comments we really are just 2 defeats from turning on the manager.

Have to keep banging this drum about the urgency of drastic transfer biz in january bar Digne, who now seems to be suffering the Everton curse, none of these players would get a gig at a "competing" club.

Carlo is in for a rude awakening if he isn't tuned in the volatility here is off the scale. He may be "with the fishes" before the words "compensation package" reach his ears.

Anthony Dove
302 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:23:28
Second half the worst ever in a derby. No point in going
into detail.
George Cumiskey
303 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:24:21
I hope your Right Gavin Johnson but let's see if he picks Siggy or Sneids the next match.
Andy Walker
304 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:26:17
Stan 276, stop deflecting by talking about the very fickle nature of some fans as if it’s some new phenomenon you’ve discovered, we’ve all know that for years and it wasn’t anything to do with my post.

Moving on. Firstly, I have consistently said for the last 2-3 years that the players aren’t good enough and that I believe the club has a structural problem by having a DOF position plus coach, instead of a single manager and no DOF.

Secondly, I haven’t jumped on the we are great bandwagon when we’ve had the odd decent result. I’m not generally one for hyperbole, you’d know that if you had read my posts over the past 15 years or so since I’ve been on this site. Don’t insinuate I do that when I never have.

Thirdly, and most importantly, are you still of the view we have a decent squad of players? I ask again as that’s the main point I made in the post you replied to and you have t answered.

Joe McMahon
305 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:26:49
In the second half they still would have won without a goal keeper. It's frightening. This runs deep at Everton, to think we have not won at that ground since Sept 1999. I want a football club back while i'm still young enough to enjoy it, I don't want the Peoples Club, EITC praise, being told how wonderfull Unsworth is doing with the under 5's.

Sick and tired of it, like i'm sure we all are!

Jon Withey
306 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:28:38
1-0 via a remarkable goal following a really pedestrian performance from the usual suspects - hardly Ancelottis doing. He has a right to expect Delph, Siggy and Schnides to put in a performance in midfield - they are internationals. Of course, we know that they don't and that we need a new midfield. If Schnides outlasts another manager I'll almost admire him for it.

Utlimately that was our notional first team out there, injuries aside and it's not good enough.

What happened to Iwobi anyway ?

George Carroll
307 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:28:43
Thank goodness we still have Evertonians like Mike and Kevin
Terry Farrell
308 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:29:40
Kevin I agree with you completely but we didn't give Koeman that support. Virgil van dyke said last week that's hes now playing for the best 2 managers in the world and we sacked one of them at the first sign of a problem. Granted most of the transfer decisions were poor but was that him or walsh?
Stephen Brown
309 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:35:38
10 international players we had in our 11 today !
Derek Knox
310 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:35:54
Having read all of the posts, it is fair to say that we are equally pissed off with what we have witnessed today. Carlo has got one hell of a task to change things round.

It's all very well people saying he (insert one of many names here) should never play for us again, and should be binned.

While I agree with the sentiment and the feelings, these guys are on enormous contracts and know that it is highly unlikely that anyone will realistically want to take them off our hands.

So, basically we are stuck with them, even loans would be hard to arrange for some of them, yet surely the Club can't afford to have these Gravy Train Passengers on the books and just ignore them.

The future's grim, the future's Blue!

Tony Abrahams
311 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:36:13
Said before the game I had a bad feeling and once I saw the team playing with a similar shape to theCity game then I was just hoping we could get a draw. I knew they were going to run and fight, but I think their players must have been surprised by how frail we were, how we were always in two minds with the ball, and how little belief we showed in a game we should have physically dominated.

It’s impossible to defend the players, but I live in hope at how poor some of our players looked in the 80’s before Gray and Reid added some much needed backbone into that squad, which is the only solace I can take unless I’m prepared to fuck Everton off, which is not something I’m prepared to do, even though they don’t deserve us.

I always look at life, and think nothing ever changes until a person wants to, and finds the will to change, and only when this happens will they find themselves on the road to recovery.

It feels like rock bottom because it’s Liverpool, but it was rock bottom the other week against Norwich, and it will be rock bottom again sometime in the near future, unless the club make some big changes from recruitment and to personnel, especially in our midfield which was that poor that I can’t find a word to describe them.

Paul A Smith
312 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:38:17
Gavin 299 a friend of mine started a group chat in 2017 called 10 DERBY WINS BY 2047?

It wasnt all down to how bad we are but also condidering refs, revenue, wage bills and general size difference between the 2 clubs.

The question to the group title might be wrong but it wont be far off. 3 years strong already.

Ian Edwards
313 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:38:27
Terry. The Manager that we sacked at first sight of a problem took us to two Semi finals and 72 points. He wouldn't have wasted the money that Walsh/Koeman did. Didn't get a window off Moshiri. Roberto Martinez.
Paul A Smith
314 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:45:31
Ian Thats because Moshiri had it in his head that Walsh a PE teacher knew what a better footballer was before Martinez and Koeman.

Or did he? Is the Director of football route not intentional to wheeling and dealing? Buying small selling it bigger? I believe if FFP wasnt there, there would be no Moshiri with an open cheque book advantage coming to us.

Its a valid excuse now but only because he trusted men that haven't played football to do deals for managers he brought in.

Jon Withey
315 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:45:57
This is great revisionism - we were haemorrhaging goals under Martinez and he showed no nous to arrest the slide. Koeman basically just went into a grump and fell out with his team - again showing no ability to arrest the slide. Ancelloti is a good manager, he may not be a miracle worker, but he is a good manager. It'll be interesting to see what he changes in the next 6 months.
Mike Oates
316 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:46:40
Concentrating on this season to start with, I cant see us climbing the table higher than 10-14th and if we play like that again it will be 18-20th. We just don't have a midfield worthy of Championship or Div 1 football let alone the Premiership.

There is no way the likes of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Davies, Delph, Iwobi, Bernard have the drive, the energy, the pace. the ball control, the heart to dominate any game. No matter how you play them in a 4231, 343, 433, 442 they will be outplayed, outfought, by any other Premiership team. We are seriously missing Gomes big big time and we are yet to find out if Gbamin is like Gomes or another disappointment like those above. I would have thought Ferguson and Ancelotti would know that you cant build through the midfield ???

The back 4 under Ferguson existed by ensuring the ball was kept as far away as possible from our box, hoof, get rid of, anything than play it around. Unfortunately it looks as though Ancelotti is asking them to build from the back - well Carlo they can't is the simple answer. They are too slow, they don't find space, their passing is woeful and our non-existent midfield doesn't show for the ball. So we pass sideways, sideways, then sideways then give it back to Pickford who kicks it out of play. I would have thought that Ferguson or Ancelotti would have known this ???

Upfront Kean has proved to be the big flop I personally feel he will ultimately be known as, until he returns to Italy with a £20m loss to us. He shows no sign of playing joined up football, no sign of being clinical in the box, no sign of a cool head in the box, no signs of his body being shaped right to pounce, and no sign of demonstrating that he will terrorise the opponents with his physique or pace. I would have thought Ferguson and Ancelotti could see this in training already ???

So for this season, unless we buy 2-3 fully experienced, fully fit, filled with pace, filled with aggressiveness defender, midfielder and goal scorer then we will struggle big time.

For the future, we need to start completely afresh, our whole club set up is useless, just look at teams around us bringing 1-2 players through a year and us NONE. Our club football is slow ponderous, not at all skill full so - get rid of Academy Coaches, get rid of Unsworth, and let Brands completely start afresh with a new philosophy, new coaches.

Steve Carse
317 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:47:16
Kevin (300), I don't see anyone 'rushing to judgement' on Ancelotti. But it would be wrong if we were unable to point out some valid shortcomings in the last two games.
You don't need to be a long-suffering Blue to recognise that our back line can't play out from the back. The 90 minutes at City showed that perfectly. So to go into today's game with the word to his back line to still go on 'passing' the ball across the back looked a dubious approach to say the least. And so it proved to be.
Of course the criticism here isn't limited to the back line. It should extend to the central midfield. The pair given the role today is the one we all thought we would never have to witness again when Silva went out the door. But no. Schneiderlin plays every match like a friendly; Sigurddson simply avoids the ball, positioning himself where the defence are least likely to be able to give him the ball and so relieve the pressure from the RS forward press.
Now, we have to accept that Ancelotti will be averse to drop the passing game (the schism between the footballing principles he stands by and those of his coach, Ferguson is a conflict that is concerning) but when seeing the deplorable performances from his players on the pitch for the third quarter of the game, maybe he should have went 100% long ball and set up the side to playing this type of game. It doesn't hurt to be pragmatic when the evidence in front of your eyes shows that change was required.
Chris Jenkins
318 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:50:28
Firstly I have to admit that neither did I see the match nor was I able to listen to it as I now live in the north west of County Clare, Ireland. My last visit to Goodison was for Duncan's first game in charge, against Chelsea, and I was hoping that tremendous performance would be the start of a consistent change in our footballing fortunes and for him to be given an extended run as caretaker manager.

However, having this evening monitored closely the comments on the Live Forum and having read Michael Kenrick's match report, even accepting the hearsay element of these two sources, I am under no illusions as to just how poor this performance appeared to be for pretty much the full duration of the match.

It has been patently obvious to me for several seasons now that the ability of the current playing squad falls well below that required by a club of Everton's stature with its singularly loyal fan base. It is incontrovertible that hundreds of millions have been squandered on a pretty abysmal player recruitment policy over the last four years.

The fact that there has to be a wholesale clear out of these under performing and grossly overpaid players is not in dispute. However, just how this is going to be achievable mystifies me completely. As so many of the culprits are at the wrong end of the age scale and on overly long contracts at exorbitant salaries, it is extremely difficult to see how other clubs would be prepared to take on these onerous liabilities.

This situation must never be allowed to reoccur in the future. Not only must there be a clear out of players but the executive and senior management must also be fully scrutinised and culled as necessary. Given the grandiose titles that those who are the culprits masquerade under and the evidence of their lack of positive contribution, this drastic pruning should take place as a matter of urgency. Unproductive overheads invariably walk in on two legs and as a club we cannot afford this drain of scarce resources

Whilst I am somewhat surprised over the choice of Carlo Ancelotti as manager, I feel that, notwithstanding his extremely attractive contract, he has very much picked up the proverbial poisoned chalice. I just hope very much that he is given the financial resources immediately to sign some decent, sensibly aged players, who will give their all to the club. Also I would want him to be able to choose his own players and not be hindered by the latest occupant of the ludicrous position of director of football. The current and previous occupants of the role have hardly covered themselves in glory and that's putting it mildly. It will only when Ancelotti has signed his own players and had a reasonable time at the helm that his performance can be fairly assessed.

The immediate priority now must be to avoid relegation because if that was to happen, then one can be pretty sure that Moshiri would be unlikely to stay and would almost certainly want his loans repaying without much delay. I dread to think of what might happen in that event.

Ray Robinson
319 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:51:09
Ian Edwards #313, forget the 72 points in the first season based largely on a continuation of the previous Moyes team, do you not remember the utter dross and ridiculous tactics of the following two seasons under Martinez? An appalling manager in my opinion. Today is perhaps an all time low but we were regularly appalling under Martinez and only recovered because the senior players basically took no notice of him.
Pat Kelly
320 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:51:09
Mike #316, best description of Kean I've read.
Sean Kelly
321 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:51:09
Wonder what big Dunc is doing tonight.
Denis Richardson
322 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:51:19
Well that was a new low...

Ancelloti at least now knows the task ahead. We badly need a proper midfield. Players with 100 commitment, effort and and a never say die attitude as well as the necessary skill.

We should stop signing wingers until we’ve sorted out CM. A pairing of Schneidelin and Sigurdsson in CM reminds me of the dark Neville/Heitinga days. Simply not going to get far with those two there. Unfortunately they are two of our top earners so will be very hard to shift.

Peter Jansson
323 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:52:35
How the hell can some of you here be angry at Pickford for letting the goal in? Did you not watch the goal? It is almost impossible to fire a better shot than that. How the f*n hell could he take that ball?

And face the facts.
1. We were better than Liverpool in the first half and should have been leading with at least 2 goals.
2. We do not have enough players to play both the league and the cup right now. With all the injuries there are big wholes in the midfield.
3. It was irritating to lose to this not so impressive Liverpool side, but the league is far more important than the cup.
4. if Siggy, Schniderlin, Walcott etc never play, how can we then get any money to sell them?
5. We looked tired in the 2nd half, but that is not so strange since we have not rested many players in this tuff christmas period. This is because we don't have a good enough squad.

Charles Brewer
324 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:53:46
I see David Moyes' team won again today. One goal in the 94th minute. Apparently they were crap in the first half, so he changed it round a bit. How original.

I was very disappointed in Ancelotti today. Very poor team selection (which is anything that involves Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson) and even worse substitutions. And as for "tactics" I don't think fucking about in your own penalty area until someone (fortunately) panics and hoofs the ball out of play really counts.

I still thought that Walcott was probably our best player today. He was actually quite good in the first half.

On the other hand, their goal was the usual fluke that they score against us, it certainly was not deliberate. Not even David Beckham at his best could have shot from the corner of the penalty area to hit the underside of the bar after passing the goalkeeper's hand by about 2 inches.

Peter Neilson
325 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:54:05
Everyone I speak with at the match appreciates Carlo has a big job on his hands and it’s pretty much starting from scratch. We’ve spent a lot of money on in the main, at best, average players. First time since Kendall that we’ve had a top quality manager in charge. If Carlo is allowed to lead a change in culture at Everton we will aim upwards. Time will tell but at the moment he has the cards he’s been dealt with (admittedly the two midfield statues and playing out from the back hopefully never to be seen again with this squad). Now need to revert to grinding out some wins. It won’t be pretty with this squad and hopefully Carlo’s discovered that a pragmatic approach is needed.
Jon Withey
326 Posted 05/01/2020 at 20:56:49
We seem to have been stuck with Schneiderlin forever, surely he is out of contract soonish, Siggy too.
Ian Edwards
327 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:02:40
Schneiderlin, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Sidibe. The Four Horse-shit of the Apocalypse.
Niall McIlhone
328 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:04:01
The stark reality is that we have to rely on these players, plus maybe one January addition- to keep us up this season. To me, it says everything that the only asset we have who has possibly appreciated in value since coming here is Richalison, who, for all his annoying tendencies, is working his socks off and scoring some goals.
I fear we may end up having to sell him, in order to be able to replenish the squad. Ergo what should have happened when we flogged our prize asset Lukaku, but failed so to do.
I am as down as anyone about today, but Ancelotti must be given the total support of the board -and us as fans- to see this wretched season through. Mr Moshiri has played his last card in getting a truly accomplished manager in, it has got to begin to work, and soon., there is no merit is thinking it's End of Days hope prevails because it must.
Peter Neilson
329 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:05:14
Peter (323) we can’t keep playing Gylfi, Morgan and Theo in the hope of getting a fee for them. If anything it would put off any potential buyer! They are what they are and won’t change/improve we just need to get them off the books. It will be no more difficult just leaving them out of the team at least then we might improve.
Mike Galley
330 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:05:18
I hope Evertonians understand the difficult job our manager has to do in the short term. I'm sure he already has sneering contempt for a lot of these players on the inside, but he has to try and coax X amount of points out of them to get us safe this season. I'm sure he'll try and do this by paying them platitudes in public, that he doesn't really believe himself.
Comments he made about tracking Calvert-Lewin whilst he was in Italy may well be an example of this.
All this talk of mass clear-outs is, unfortunately, unrealistic. Players wages and length of contract will be the over-riding factor in this.
Hopefully, Carlo will be the manager that we all hope him to be for our club. But it's going to take time, and probably more importantly, money to fix this. Unfortunately, I don't believe it will happen overnight.
Mike Connolly
331 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:06:59
Us fans will be getting the stick in work while the players are hiding away at Finch farm picking up their pay packet. Carlo should be waiting for them at the gate and take them down to Melwood. Then ask Klopp if our players could train with their youth team to try a learn how to play properly.
Glenn Williams
332 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:08:10
Well I'm in the dumps. Couldn't watch the match because it was hard to find a decent stream in the u s but the Everton audio was depressing enough. So 13 of our most seasoned pros could not overcome or seriously threaten an under 21/23 side. And don't give me tiredness, I don't want to hear it now. Ancelotti should not have to resort to a lump it long strategy. That's like bringing in a Formula 1 driver to race in a demolition derby. That having been said, I fully expect Ancelotti to come up with something better by the Brighton match. I don't know what strategies can mask our clear weaknesses in midfield as well as the other deficiencies, but now we need to see coaching acumen come up with plans that these players can execute. Whatever the case, Brighton should have no fear coming to Goodison Saturday.
Trevor Peers
333 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:08:20
Our problems in midfield stem from the fact we have bought injury prone players in Gomes and Gbamin, who can't score goals either, totally inadequate both of them.

Plus Delph another player unlikely to complete half a season. Schniederlin and Sigurdsson need rotating, but bad buys by Brands have left us well short in that department.

It leaves a huge question mark over Brands, most of his buys have been garbage so far. He must be feeling pretty vulnerable tonight.

Ian Edwards
334 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:08:53
Ray 319. The team that Martinez left was hugely better than than this shower of shite.
Peter Jansson
335 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:12:41
Peter #329. So who do you think we should have played today? You seriously think none of Schniderlin, Siggy or Walcott ever again? Seriously? Walcott had som bad involvements today, but at least he created some chances. That did not happen when he got taken of.
Stan Schofield
336 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:14:52
Andy@304: Yes, I am of the opinion that we have a decent squad of players. We have many injuries, and the current choices reflect that. Ancelotti is the highest calbre manager we've had since Kendall, so all we can do, despite being pissed off with yet another shite performance, is work with what we have.

The manager's job is to get the best out of the players at his disposal, whilst also identifying needed new signings for improvement. Ancelotti has only just got here, to a club apparently beset by mental fragility. All we can do is keep on supporting, in the hope and expectation that he'll sort it out. That's why he's here, after the sequence of middling managers.

I've been supporting Everton since I was 7, which is 58 years. I'm hardened to both patience and disappointment. Logically, it makes sense for me to carry on supporting both the manager and players, because there is no other rational option.

Everton have made some very bad decisions. All we can do is hope the decisions improve. The newest manager at least seems to be a sign of that, but only time will tell.

Mike Oates
337 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:15:20
I too was disappointed in Ancelotti today, two areas stood out though admittedly he has little quality to use, but why not beef the midfield up with introducing both Davies and Delph after 60 mins, as we were getting a complete run around by Liverpool's 3 lads. Our midfield of Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin looked like they were treading water opposite Jones, LLana, and Chirivilla with little or non existent support from Sidibe, and Walcott or Richarlison. So go to a 442 with all 4 midfield lads midfielders.

Secondly he should have gone long, throw the ball up to DCL and Richarlison, supported by Sigurdsson or Davies joining in as a high No 10. It was absolutely pointless playing out from the back, they aren't capable of doing it and our midfield numbers were light to show for the ball. It was no use Ancelotti going to 3 forwards and trying to build from the back. It was never going to work with the players we had.

I hoped for more from Ancelotti today, he probably couldn't believe what he was seeing himself, but he knows now what a tough job he has in hand, with ZERO quality in midfield.

Jim Bennings
338 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:16:35
Ian 334

Too right it was!

McCarthy, Barkley, Barry, Lennon and Deulofeu all walk into that midfield we have today.

Lennon was miles the player that Walcott was and Deulofeu even in his 20 minute cameos was a better player than any of the shite we see now.

Lukaku has never been even been close to being replaced, DCL tries and he has improved don’t get me wrong here but he ain’t a patch on the goal scoring exploits that Lukaku produced.

For madcap Pickford just see Tim Howard in his final year, ballistic Bob.

The defence, Mina and Mori much the same, both turn like the QE2 (at least Mori actually scored a few bloody headers from corners though).

Baines over Digne every time, Digne has been shown up this season as the “not good enough for Barca” reject he was, last season was clearly a false dawn.

This current Everton squad is a bag of used shite.

I said when everyone was clamouring for Silva to be sacked, don’t let these wasters of players pull the wool over anyone’s eyes, the buck stops with these fuckers that embarrassingly pull on the shirt every week!

Ian Edwards
339 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:18:05
Trevor 333. Spot on about Brands. A huge failure. Not one signing has been decent. Not one.
Paul A Smith
340 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:19:48
There has been some passionate support and told you so's for Calvert Lewin recently (which I found a bit hasty after beating the mighty Burnley and Newcastle) but against a baby Centre Half today he showed his level.

Hot and Cold.

Michael Lynch
341 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:21:39
I don't agree that we have a decent squad of players. We've been shite for years now - I can only dream of the joy of watching Arteta, Pienaar and Baines weave magic triangles, let alone the glory days of the Holy Trinity. When was the last time you saw an Everton team really purr? At best, its a dogged bunch of mediocrities who can only beat a team when they're either on a bad run or out of sorts. At worst well, we saw what "at worst" is during today's second half.

The Shite are everything we're not. It's fucking tragic. It's going to be a long climb back, and I don't even know where we start. A complete overhaul of our entire structure probably.

Peter Neilson
342 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:22:09
Peter (335) yes happily see none of those three appear again. Not based on one game either.
Ray Robinson
343 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:22:37
So, Ian 334 if that team was better than the current one, how was Martinez a good manager if he couldn't get a tune out of it?
Justin Doone
344 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:24:59
Pathetic, embarrassing, shameful.

I've said it a few times, we are not fit or strong enough but more worryingly we are mentally weak.

I think Ferguson would have had them more fired up and in sync by keeping it simpler.

This needs to be used as motivation, getting beat and shown up by a 3rd string team of u23s.

It's not time to blame individuals, it's time to work harder as a team.

Christy Ring
345 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:25:23
I hope it’s Ancellotti who decides what players comes in, definitely not inspired by Brands signings Iwobi Delph are a good example
Alan McGuffog
346 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:26:32
Mike 316. Totally agree...except why should Brands be let off the hook ? Hardly pulled up any trees has he ? Or unearthed any gems.
Ian Edwards
347 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:28:14
Ray 343 With hindsight Martinez was getting a better tune out of that team than any seen since in a blue shirt.
Peter Neilson
348 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:28:26
Oh God I’d forgotten we have Iwobi to look forward to, the day gets worse. I agree with Michael (341) this isn’t a decent squad, far from it.
Mike Price
349 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:29:48
All this talk of clearing out the deadwood is a fantasy. We are stuck with a large number of liabilities, not assets, which means we would have to pay fortunes to supplement their wages to get rid.
Let’s just hope that Ancelotti doesn’t become yet another liability, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already thinking of engineering a payoff.
Anthony Jones
350 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:30:02
Yeah, Brands has to take some of the flack over this squad.

He oversaw Mina, Iwobi, Delph, Gbamin...

Conor McCourt
351 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:40:31
Ian 347- the real question is how many improved after Martinez' apparent poor coaching. Answer not fucking one...they have worked under Guardiola, Enrique, Mourinho, Conte but not one improved.
Jim Bennings
352 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:40:59
Imagine how proud it must be to support a team like Leicester or Wolves?

Watching eleven players run around every single week and put a shift in, look really energetic and fit, have players that can actually do the basics with a football of passing and moving and shooting straight?

More importantly, watching a team that actually look like they bloody well want to wear the shirt and care about the club and the fans?

I’m sick of seeing such a soulless boring bland bunch of players at Everton, no big characters no leaders of men, not one skilful player, a genuine match winner (and no I don’t class Richarlison as one, nowhere near one I’m sorry if that offends people)

I’m talking about players I’ve seen in an Everton shirt like Andrei Kanchelskis or Wayne Rooney at 17, genuine top drawer footballers that scared opponents witless.

Everton are so slow it’s like watching real life in slow motion and they have slowly but surely sucked all the life and belief out of the suffering supporters.

Pat Kelly
353 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:43:02
If we're relying on Brands to find quality players let's not expect much. If Ancelotti takes on that responsibility then why keep Brands ?
Peter Hopkins
354 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:44:37
The likes of, siggy schiends,Walcott,should never play for the club again,yes we are short in numbers due to injuries but play the kids,they may not be ready yet or as good as winning the u23’s suggest but I’m sure they’ll give more than that lot
On brands summer signings Iwobi was a panic buy,so blatantly obvious,Delph was bought for experience and back up,no one expected that both are first choice midfielders would get long term injuries. Yes a centre half was needed and that was a big issue but I’m sure Ancelotti will sort that and as for the strikers,count how many we have, until we can get rid of one or two we can’t bring another one
Have faith in Carlo
Paul A Smith
355 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:45:58
Just think of the millions we could have saved by telling Riola we were offering Lukaku more wages than United and bought the players Koeman wanted like Depay.

Brands bounces around like Simon Cowell and hes bought a load of shite. Anyone who has read my posts knows i dont care much for manager idolisation but i did feel for Silva with that squad he started the season with.

Jason Lloyd
356 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:47:08
Unfortunately Brands is on the Board now so virtually untouchable.
Len Hawkins
357 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:52:07

Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

money oriented, grasping, greedy, avaricious, money-grabbing.

That just about sums up perfectly the 1st team playing squad at Everton Football Club Ltd.

Hopefully they ALL have it in their contracts that they will be free agents if the club get relegated because that is the only way this lot are going. The darkest day in the History of Everton.

Jay Tee
358 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:52:53
Ancelotti's comments after the game were " there was a get out clause in my contract wasn't there".

The worst I have seen 11 supposedly professional footballers ever play.

Seriously tempted not to renew season ticket. The renewal forms will be posted out soon with an early bird end date or to guarantee your seat date by 31/01/20 most probably.

Paul A Smith
359 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:54:47
Jim 352 I took stick before the Palace game for suggesting we would be lucky to battle Wolves for 7th..

I keep seeing 'we have good players' but Wolves wouldn't buy from us. Nor Leicester and if West Ham back Moyes fairly he will buy better players than Brands.

And Moyes is a dick.

Peter Jansson
360 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:56:39
We have to improve the material we have as we have no chance to get back the money we paid for the most of the players in the squad.

Also, if the youngsters of Liverpool are good enough to play at this level our youngsters must also be that good since we are doing better than them in Premier League 2.

Why do we not get to see these youngsters? I mean now when we have squadproblems.

Paul Birmingham
361 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:57:01
Jim@338, spot on, very true.

Even hope for a better future looks light years away, just like our football compared to our neighbours.

The AGM, and the losses and the yearly failure on the pitch, paint the barren reality of Everton Football Club, in football and accountable business.

Ian Riley
362 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:58:37
Actually this could be a blessing in disguise. No,it's true. This squad is an average premiership side with very little quality to compete at the top. Carlo was let down badly by senior players but he is partly to blame. He took over a poor side and please tell me he has been watching previous games? In his defence our squad lacks the depth and he must have thought experience over youngsters would come through.

Well there you are Carlo. You have seen it through our eyes. It's not good and it's broken. Please remove and replace as quickly as possible. Those senior players are not to be trusted again.

Jim Bennings
363 Posted 05/01/2020 at 21:58:56

I’d seriously find something else to spend my good money on.

I can write you Everton’s season out every year and next season no matter who we sign or sell it will be the same mental fragility that holds us back from ever achieving anything in the biggest games that mean most to the fans.

Sure, we will start playing well again in Spring like we do every season when the pressure is off and other teams have basically switched off themselves so allow us to play, we do it every year, lull people into a false sense of hope for the following season but every summer is the same, a woeful preseason schedule, players never fit, crocked for months and mental weaklings all over the pitch.

Don’t worry Jay, you wouldn’t be the only one that’s sane and tells the club that the fans are no longer satisfied with the offerings.

John Boon
364 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:00:59
Nobody who is an Evertonian could have enjoyed anything about today. Many complain about the lack of drive or toughness on the part of the Everton players. However the fans have to be equally tough to be able to handle tough times even if they last for years. Just like the RS fans who watched their team for seven years in the old Second division I remember those years with delight, although it probably will never happen again in my lifetime.

However sensible posts such as Mike(292) and Kevin (300) are far more realistic and to the point than the always cynical and permanently depressed one liners from George (297). Do you ever have any suggestions to help the team improve ? We all hate losing just as much as you do !!On a positive note I must say I have never heard you complain about the ball boys. Could they be next ?

Tony Abrahams
365 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:01:16
Jim Bennings nails it, when he gives a list of players that would walk into our midfield. Honest Jim, surely that’s why this team is so poor, because it’s got no leadership, no pace, and very little quality, coming from the middle of the pitch?

DCL poor, Richarlison very poor, Kean came on and it’s quite possible that I saw more of him when he was either sitting on the bench or warming up, but our midfield never gave us any real control of the game, at any period during the whole 90 minutes.

Andrew Ellams
366 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:01:53
There is a poison in the club from top to bottom. Moshiri knows nothing about football and is in it to sell for a profit after the stadium is built. Brands is a fraud and out of his depth in a world of shark top level agents. We have a squad full of has been mercenaries without a spine between them. Oh and Usmanov isn't coming over the hill on his white charger to save the day.
Justin Doone
367 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:08:50
I'd like to see Mirrallis back. One player that could actually run, dribble, pass and shoot.

Before the laughter or stupid replies think about it. He'd be a better game changer than we currently have.

It's not just this game but our Brazilians have gone right off. Rich has forgotten how to beat a defender and Bernard plays like his shoe size.

I don't want to criticise individuals but I noticed Schnides back in midfield. He and Siggy lined up against our own centre backs. Really poor, Delph did little when he came on.

Now for all those that criticise Davies, honestly could he have been worse on a bad day? If nothing else he'd have scrapped and harried all game for the ball. Did anyone on the pitch, Baines and Niasse would have too.

Tommy Carter
368 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:09:21
With the majority of the signings under the Moshiri regime, I have humbly thought with most of them ‘perhaps they see something I don’t. Perhaps my knowledge of the game is inferior’

Because to be honest at no point did I ever believe that signing the following for the kind of money we paid was a good idea:


The majority of the others were unknown quantities to me and therefore I didn’t really have on opinion.

I was happy that we signed :


I will say that I had it wrong about Richarlison, he was worth that investment.

But the rest is simply just shocking.

Anybody with half a clue on the game who’s watch iwobi for arsenal, they know they simply know that he’s not that good. I don’t care what his stats are, or his value for his age according to the market compared to the amount of games he’s started. All of that is nonsense.

Just look with your eyes. We don’t need computers, or systems. The whole world watched Gylfi at Tottenham and seen him fail. They watched him at Swansea producing flashes of brilliance but not enough consistency.

We watched Keane in a well drilled Burnley defence do the simple things correctly, but then really struggle against top class opposition.

We watched Iwobi with very little end product season in season out.

We watched Walcott suffer a series of bad injuries and flatter to deceive for pretty much his entire career.

We watched Rooney struggling in a failing Man Utd squad, clearly passed his best.

We watched Bolaie produce flicks, tricks and showboats every now and then but fail to hit the back of the net or assist with any regularity.

Absolutely clueless transfer dealings.

People say Moyes and his team were shrewd. Their policy when you break it down was just full of sense and thought.

Cahill - goalscoring midfielder, with a record of producing big moments in important games. Internationally capped andscoring goals at that level.

Lescott - consistent and classy performer. Player of the year and despite a bad injury, racked up an impressive number of games.

Baines - well proven at premier league level when signed. Larger fee but worth the investment. Was coveted by many clubs.

Arteta - had lost his way at Sociedad. Previously a Barcelona product with a very successful stint at Rangers behind him.

Pienaar - had lost his way at Dortmund. Previously an Ajax product with much experience at European and international level.

You can go on. The only bolt from the blue was Coleman. And you can argue that for Coleman there was also a Patricio Pascucci, Guillaume Plessis, Magaye Gueye etc etc.

You catch my drift.

Rob Dolby
369 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:09:34
We have a group of international players that don't seem to be motivated to win football matches.

Our team today consisted of 9 full international players. Theirs probably contained 3. We showed no fight or desire to win and when we did have chances we couldn't convert.

Their winner was a quality strike, we have 1 player who can hit a ball like that but he was subbed off as he is £45m worth of shite.

I think that now beats the Glenn Keeley derby as my all time worse derby result and the most dissapointing performance I have ever seen and I have seen some shite over the years.

Without doubt Ancelotti has taken on his biggest managerial challenge. I will be amazed if he hangs around longer than Silva.

Ray Robinson
370 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:17:23
Mirallas?!! Wtf? The very epitome of a player who couldn't give a toss about the club. Reaching the nadir today has led to some staggering revisionism. A bit like those who long to re-nationalise the railways and forget how bad British Rail actually was.
Andrew Ellams
371 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:21:19
Just our luck right now to have an owner from Iran right now too
Paul A Smith
372 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:25:13
Being an international means almost nothing to me other than expecting a hard working player.

Unless they play for Spain France Belgium Croatia Germany Brazil Argentina its hardly worth including the word international into a players value.

We'd be lucky to lure China's best player and our internationals are B internationals anyway. Other than Pickford who is dodgy.

Derek Taylor
373 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:30:49
My brother in law just rang to say this mayhem is Moshiri's punishment for making Kenwright a multi millionaire. I can't see him getting much more help from Usmanov just to piss it away on Brands' dream teams !
Ed Prytherch
374 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:32:12
The last time that Schneiderlin played he was in the middle with Sigurdsson in one of Duncan's first games and they played well together. I hoped that they had woken up and were going to start playing again. Schneiderlin then picked up some kind of injury that kept him out until today and it was a case of normal service will be resumed as soon as possible. Ancelotti said that we conceded 5 goals last time because we pushed up too high and allowed the RS to get in behind our back line so today he picked those two to play deep to prevent the same thing happening again. Unfortunately those two were piss poor and out strikers were isolated except for some movements down the right were we overloaded them with Coleman, Sidibe and Walcott. Walcott looked good in the first half because he had the other two behind him which excused him of defensive duties. Ancelotti yanked Coleman, Sidibe dropped back and Walcott was no longer an attacking threat
I don't blame Ancelotti for the above as he is still learning who he can trust but I hope that he does not repeat the selection. But I don't know why he stuck with two defensive midfielders. I expected he would pull Schneiderlin and bring on Bernard to get something moving down the left. But I defer to his knowledge and football intellect.
Digne is another problem. He is not a shadow of the player that he was last season. I suspect that he is playing through an injury and does not want to rest for a few games in case he is then unable to regain his place. Baines has played well when given the chance.
I still have confidence in our coaches and I will be surprised if they do not turn this mess around but it will take a while. We have been through this crap before, remember Shrewsbury!
Tony Abrahams
375 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:33:54
The only good thing that happened to me today was that I never went to Anfield. I was numb, but as much for every Evertonian who was inside the ground, and I still can’t pick up the phone to either of my sons who were there.

I said to my older lad, who I could tell was dreading going the game, that I wanted a replay, and his reply told me everything. “I don’t even want them bastards at our ground” he said, but I know how desperate he must be to see us win at Anfield, and it’s at times like this, that I’m genuinely sorry I got him into loving Everton so much.

He’s like me, he will be there next week, but he’s better than me because he’s been following Everton for nearly twenty years, (since he was 4) and has seen us win fuck all.

These younger Evertonians, are unbelievable, “unfuckingbelievable” and I personally won’t rest until they see us win some trophies, even though it looks like some Everton players are actually resting out on the pitch.

Paul A Smith
376 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:37:01
I hope this is a moment we all realise YOU (Evertonian) know what is best for Everton, not Brands or Walsh or even the manager. You have supported Everton for years of shite and know should full well know what it takes to improve now.

I hope we Unite and that is all everyone demands and talks about from now on because every player can be replaced for a number of reasons and you must be sick of them same old reasons?

Buying cast offs from teams lingering above us and players over 25 from teams below us unless they are exceptional is a big massive no for me. Always was to be honest.

Arild Andersen
377 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:37:19
Jim 352, agree every word. So slow and stale it’s beyond belief. Our best midfield pair now is Davies and Holgate. Says something.
Paul A Smith
378 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:39:24
Tony head up mate your lads will know the score because you brought them up and you'll be able to discuss the game when you are all settled from the outcome.
Justin Doone
379 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:39:36
OK I picked Mirrallis as a tease but I always got the impression he'd do something positive on the pitch. Defenders didn't like playing against him which is always a good sign.

He was never a great team player, but used the ability he had pretty well, especially when comparing him to other attacking options.

IMO he had 5 times more end product than Walcott, Bollasie, Bernard, Iwobi or Kean have shown.

I believe Iwobi and Kean have the talent to improve, how much and how long that may take will only be answered in time. For now Ancelotti has the luxury of even lower expectations. He's a canny fox that one, all part of his master plan I'm sure.

Hugh Jenkins
380 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:43:31
Remember, it's always darkest before the dawning.
Roger Helm
381 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:44:45
My only consolation is that S. Ancelotti, unlike our previous managers, has spent his career in the most successful clubs, so he should know the difference between how those clubs are run and the shambles that is Everton FC; therefore he should know how to put things right, if he is allowed to do so.
Ray Robinson
382 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:45:16
I'm glad you explained yourself Justin and I can now see your point. And I admit, I have a big downer on Mirallas who I considered to be a self-centered mercenary who didn't give a toss about the club, the exact criticism being levelled against some of our other players today.
Gavin Johnson
383 Posted 05/01/2020 at 22:46:00
Mirallas?! C'mon, he's finished! He's been shite since Martinez's first season. He was another Morgan Schneiderlin and the epitome of everything that's wrong about the modern day footballer who has no allegiance to a club. That said, he'd fit in well with a team containing other players who's legs have gone Step forward, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Delph and Coleman.
Tony Abrahams
384 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:02:08
Paul, he knows more about Everton, because he watches them more than me. The younger one has got my cynical side, I think he sees right through the shite, but the older fella, has got my blind loyalty, he’ll never give in to the bastards, even though we know who the real shithouse bastards are right now?

My red mate said Klopp was brave, when he dug-out the crowd for leaving early, but it helped unite their club, and now we need Ancelloti to be brave, and make some brave decisions, because it’s the only thing that will “unite us” right now?

Evertonians are going nowhere but to Goodison next week, and they don’t want to see some players anywhere near the team, is the exact type of bravery I mean, especially considering the transfer window is now open, and there is nothing Knee-jerk about these feelings whatsoever.

Listen Farhad, I know a player when I see one, and that’s why I need you to get rid of half of these yellow bastards, or you might as well just go and throw your money in the Mersey, right next to Bramley-Moore Dock. Goodnight after a bad day!

Paul A Smith
385 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:07:11
God Bless Tony I hope your lads aren't too distraught mate its grim what this club do to us.
Tom Dodds
386 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:12:42
I think we should carry the critisism/punishment further..by booing the bastards when they FIRST come out onto the pitch at the next home game.

And really give it right up them.
Sirens are for fighters not no marks.

Brian Williams
387 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:21:48
Tom, I had that thought but you know what would be even more effective (but I guess impossible) silence!
Not a fucking sound when they come out of that tunnel.
Brent Stephens
388 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:26:18
I agree. A silence when they step onto the pitch at the weekend. An orchestrated silence for 4 minutes 33 seconds.

I suspect any goals we score will be met with muted applause.

Martin Berry
389 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:27:55
I have been watching Everton since the 1970's and I am sure others have been watching longer than that.
I can honestly say without any knee jerk reaction that today I witnessed the worst display I have ever seen.
To put in in context, we were beaten by Liverpools "youth" team, not only that, they out run, out played and finally out passed us, which was not difficult because we could not put a pass to a fellow blue shirt we were that bad.
Words cannot describe how inept we played so I shall not bother.
The only good ting out of this performance is that Carlo will now realize how slow and useless Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin are together as a midfield pairing, surely Davies and Delph would have given us more energy and drive.
The number of times our defence had the ball and were looking for options to pass out but no player was willing to put in the effort must have shocked Carlo to his core.
Where do we go from here ? I havent a clue like the team at present.
January needs serious work in the transfer market.
Alan McKie
390 Posted 05/01/2020 at 23:40:09
As I once posted before, you could put red shirts on monkeys, and they would beat us. Klopps off to Knowsley Safari Park to recruit eleven, to see if it's true. But, I know it's true.
Colin Riley
391 Posted 05/01/2020 at 00:05:17
An all time low. Disgrace of a performance. Not one player I would pay money to watch since Rooney.

Fucking glad I live Jersey.
Brian Wilkinson
392 Posted 06/01/2020 at 00:06:37
Should have brought speedo mick on for the second half.
Derek Thomas
393 Posted 05/01/2020 at 00:06:59
I got up, watched the first half, then the second and as it went on I started fast forwarding until I saw the inevitable '1' come up in the score box. I went on to the end hoping for a miracle - but no.

Forget the opposition, forget Ancelotti, reduce it to basics - we were a struggling top team away to a lower team with nothing to lose and a crowd behind them.

This is the FA Cup at its basic best...if you win - we didn't.

We paid the price for hitting it at their keeper 3 or 4 times in 30 mins.

It wasn't quite Hereford Vs Newcastle (google it) no mud for a start, but on cue up popped a Ronnie Radford...or as the old song has it...'and then along came Jones'

One worldy blammo in the top corner later and its all over.

From our point of view, reduce it back to basics; We're still a stuggling team.

Ancellotti, helped by his players got it wrong Vs City for an hour.

His nice, restrained, understated, capacino smooth version of Fergusons Chelsea performance floundered on Adrian's legs and hands.

Some days you have to fight, for the right, to party

What was needed was the fullblooded CU jimmy in your face version.

Yet another in a long list of 'Everton That' performances.

The good news is I don't have to pay out $25 and I can cancel my 'free 14 day trail' to that streaming service.

Steve Brown
394 Posted 06/01/2020 at 00:35:59
The majority of these senior pros have shown their appalling standards and cowardice under four managers and it has cost them their jobs. Surely Ancelotti will now see that players like Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Walcott have no future with the club. It felt like we had to truly hit rock bottom to change this club - well we have and fundamental restructuring at all levels is needed.
Graham Hammond
395 Posted 05/01/2020 at 00:42:20
Mirallas was class in the earlier part of his Everton career. Head and shoulders above the shite we had on display today. He had end product with goal stats and assists to prove it and which put the vast majority of Everton players to shame. Outscored Lukaku I seem to recall in one season if you strip out Rom's penalties. Kevin didn't generally go missing in big games, even later in his Everton career under Koeman he starred in our 4-0 win over Manchester City and later than this was arguably the best player on the park in our 1-1 draw at Old Trafford, we were 1-0 when Koeman hauled him off just because he was fired up and on a yellow. Never shit out of challenges as often as Theo Walcott.
Derek Thomas
396 Posted 06/01/2020 at 01:02:38
If Ancelotti had any sense he'd quit, right now, before its too late.
Nevermind the compo, you don't need it.
But to save himself the angst, a possible ulcer and / or heart attack.
Because pound to a piece of shit these players will get him the sack sooner or later, just like they have for every manager since Martinez.


Andrew Keatley
397 Posted 06/01/2020 at 01:11:43
Charles Brewer (324) - The Liverpool goal was not a “fluke”. Curtis Jones managed to get it exactly where he was aiming it. Fortunate for it to come off, but no fluke.
Bill Watson
398 Posted 06/01/2020 at 02:04:18
Martin #389

1958 for me and I reckon the most inept 45 mins of that time.

What disappointed me even more was the failure of Ancelotti to address the shortcomings, which were apparent even in the first half.

The midfield was overrun, failing to show for the ball, being dispossesed when they did have it, giving no outlet to the defenders and no service to the attack. Little changed after the belated substitutions and as late as the 89th minute we were still fannying about on the edge of our area trying, but failing, to work the ball out.

At least for the last 15 mins we should have gone direct to DCL and trying to make something of his knock ons. Their goalie was virtually unemployed in the second half.

Once again, this team have shown they can't recover from going behind. It lacks leadership and also lacks an enforcer. If the roles had been reversed I'm sure they'd have put in a few crunching tackles, early doors, to make the kids think twice about dwelling on the ball. Instead we stood off them and allowed them the space and freedom to come into the game and to come at us.

This must be the most appalling and humiliating Derby I've ever seen and I've seen them all since the RS were promoted. We were abject all over the park but it stemmed from the inept couple in the centre of midfield. Surely this is rock bottom but I thought that after Milwall last season.

Now I expect the usual apologies and "we can't wait until the next game to put it right" platitudes to be trotted out by Seamus and co. Quite frankly, we've heard it too many times before.

Ancelotti must make changes for Saturday and play to the strengths we have. We certainly don't have players with the skill to play it out from the back.

Jimmy Digney
399 Posted 06/01/2020 at 04:49:14
Tony Abraham’s ( 357 ) your spot on mate, what these younger generations of evertonians are going through is just not right. Punished for what “ they are innocent in all this. But your lads sound exactly like mine, there is a lot of anger starting to creep in now. Were I will probably need to protect them shortly from the disputes leading to the inevitable that will occur, unfortunately.
Derek Knox
400 Posted 06/01/2020 at 05:20:54
The only good thing to come from the game, is that they have all passed the audition for the next production of the Wizard of Oz. No HEART, No BRAIN, and No COURAGE!
Andy Walker
401 Posted 06/01/2020 at 06:08:32
Stan 336. Appreciate your reply, I too have been watching them for over 50 years and honestly yesterday’s second half performance was the worst I’ve witnessed. No passion, little ability, drive, frankly clueless and an embarrassment. I think we will have to agree to differ!
Andy Walker
402 Posted 06/01/2020 at 06:26:10
Tommy 368, spot on mate. And just to add to the Moyes list, John Stones.
Jack Convery
403 Posted 06/01/2020 at 07:28:15
I can't be bothered to comment. I know I have but you get my drift.
Jim Bennings
404 Posted 06/01/2020 at 07:36:33
I’m just awaiting the sound bite, the war cry from our super Captain Coleman later on today.

“We must bounce back against Brighton”

I’ll bet my life on it, give it until 3pm but it’ll be on here.

No apology for that absolute bottle job YET AGAIN in a derby or producing collectively one of the worst halves of football that I’ve ever seen from any club competing in the FA Cup third round.

I’d love to see them all come out and say they are donating their wages to charity, or actually buying every single current season ticket holder a new season ticket for the 20/21 campaign (not that many would be happy about suffering more of that shite again next year)

Mike Oates
405 Posted 06/01/2020 at 08:31:01
Unless some other mad clubs are going to fork out £80-120k a week wages on top of a transfer fee than we are stuck with Digne, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Delph, Iwobi, Kean, Walcott, Tosun, Bolasie, Bernard, for the next 2-3 years.
How about that
Peter Neilson
406 Posted 06/01/2020 at 09:00:29
One of the major challenges facing Carlo will be motivating/improving some of our inept senior pros. They are stuck in their ways, can’t be forced to move and will just see out their contracts.
Ray Smith
407 Posted 06/01/2020 at 09:29:41
It’s now 15 hours since witnessing yesterday’s debacle and I’m still numb.

I can’t put into words how I feel!

I’ve been through the lows since 1964 and there have been many, but this feels like an all time low.

I’ll be there Saturday. I don’t advocate the silent treatment (but fully understand it) but I won’t be as vocal as usual as I feel the players need to realise that they are under performing.

I will single out one player who did seem to care, and that was Mina, who was visibly trying to gee the others up, to little effect.

Next years season ticket renewal is seriously in question. I said that last year, but unless Ancelotti turns it around I’ll be watching and listening on the tele and radio next season.

Alan McGuffog
408 Posted 06/01/2020 at 09:35:24
Hugh 380...trouble is we've been waiting for dawn since 1989. Will we ever see the sun
Paul Cherrington
409 Posted 06/01/2020 at 09:38:30
I think everyone agrees that yesterday's performance was not acceptable overall. To be fair, the first half was pretty decent and we should have been 2 or 3 up at the break. Even then, though, I felt we did not show as much desire or determination in our general play as their youngsters did.

Of course, the second half was a real shocker and I don't know what happened after the break. Not sure if Klopp changed things tactically or we just didn't get going again – but it was poor and meant our strongest team lost to a team of inexperienced young lads in the end. Not good enough… and this leaves Ancelotti with some big problems to address.

The major one is that we have a squad of players who, in the majority of cases, are not good enough. The manager himself has already hinted at this with talk of finding solutions in the upcoming transfer window. I actually think Ancelotti did not expect the players he would have to work with to be so bad in general and has been shocked by it since he arrived.

But the other question from yesterday for me lies with the manager himself. We seemed to revert back to a Silva/Martinez type of performance with little determination, passion or desire. We also reverted back to trying to pass out from the back and spend too much time playing about with the ball on the edge of our own box. This has been shown to not work for us many times under many managers! Ancelotti must accept this and tailor his tactics to what he has to work with and also cut down on the risk of losing possession in dangerous areas.

I fear that the good work done under Big Dunc with his basic but more effective tactics is starting to come undone. Without the big man in charge to terrify them into a performance, are the players going back to their bad old ways under a new manager who they do not fear? Yes, they may respect Ancelotti and be impressed with what he has won but this may not always get a 100% committed performance from them each game in the way being scared of what awaits you back in the dressing room after 90 minutes does!

Jeff Spiers
410 Posted 06/01/2020 at 10:04:04
I'm 68 this year and still not used to how crap EFC is. My thoughts are with ALL blues this morning. Those vile, smug RS down your ears. But any consolation, no matter how things are, is the fact the RS can win every thing and still have a pathological hate for us. They will have EFC a thorn in their side forever. Nothing will satisfy them. Trust me.
Stan Schofield
411 Posted 06/01/2020 at 10:29:53
Andy@401: To be honest mate, there have been so many 'worst performance I've ever seen from Everton' episodes over the last few years that, for me, yesterday was nothing new. The 4-0 defeat at Anfield during Martinez' last season was equally disgraceful.

The reason I say we have decent players is the fact that they can and do perform well, but unfortunately on so few occasions. The league game at Anfield last season is a particular example which certainly surprised and pleased me, despite the typical Everton monumental fuckup at the end. That's precisely the frustration, that they can and do perform much better, but don't do often enough, which makes it just painful.

When they do perform well, the team is always well organised, and the players do play for and cover each other. This raises our expectations every time, only to be dashed again. It's this continual raising and dashing of expectations that makes watching Everton seldom a pleasure. Unlike in the first decade of my supporting the club, when raised expectations were generally well met.

We can only hope that a big difference now is the appointment of a really top class manager in Ancelotti, an expert in organising teams, and thereby potentially doing what we need at the moment, which is getting the best out of this lot. If that happens, we'll improve and finish higher than usual in the table. But to reach the top, we'll need several top players, otherwise appointing Ancelotti would be pointless.

Steve Carse
412 Posted 06/01/2020 at 10:39:10
Derek (393), no need to go as far back as Hereford-Newcastle. That result only attracts the references because it was captured on TV when TV coverage was thin. We only have to go back 17 years and consult our own history to find similar disgrace -- the 3rd round KO by Shrewsbury, who were relegated into the non-League Divisions at the end of the season!
John Zapa
413 Posted 06/01/2020 at 10:44:35
Liverpool's entire team cost a combined £43.9m, less than Sigurdsson alone.
David Hallwood
414 Posted 06/01/2020 at 12:25:16
Mike oats(#405) it proves that having lots of money doesn't compensate for a more measured, dare I say Moyes approach to recruitment.

Personally I think the wrong thing to do would be to go out and spunk another £100 million a la Klassen/Siggi on 5/6 players who will play like total strangers.

Yes 5/6 players need to go but I'd be happy with a mobile centre mid and possibly a right back or CD.

What yesterday showed that Klopp has installed the klopp way of playing throughout the club. It will take time for Anchilotti to mould his team and more importantly create a club identity.

Final point, WTFs happened to our U23s; they won the league twice on the run but looking at the current crop of RS youngsters, they're either miles ahead of ours or we made them look like world beaters.

Ray Smith
415 Posted 06/01/2020 at 12:26:21
When will Pickford learn to keep his mouth shut.

Jones goal yesterday reminded me of Rooney’s first goal against Arsenal.

He may have been jesting to Jones, but he never seems to learn.

Stan Schofield
416 Posted 06/01/2020 at 12:47:10
David@414: Everton made those youngsters look good. If a team wants to look good, choose Everton on an off-day (and there are plenty of them) as the opponent. Even Villa could trounce them 5-0. On an off-day, it seems we can't really beat anybody.
Jason Broome
417 Posted 06/01/2020 at 13:19:39
Pissed off but not worried. Carlo saw exactly what we saw. It won't be long before he flushes the shit out.
Paul Birmingham
418 Posted 06/01/2020 at 14:26:47
I’d love to be a fly on the wall at Finch Farm today.

Looking for positives from this worst of days against the RS, hopefully it will put a rocket up the board ad management staff, and endorse that mediocrity and failure is not an option.

Hopefully there’s no pathetic platitudes from Evertons players, apologising.

Yesterday’s performance was not acceptable and is unforgivable.

Now to rebuild.

Conor McCourt
419 Posted 06/01/2020 at 14:42:48
Peter 406- One of the major challenges facing our inept senior pros will be to be motivated/improved by our senior manager. He is stuck in his ways, can't be forced to evolve and will aim to just see out his contract.
Kim Vivian
420 Posted 06/01/2020 at 14:44:04
Jason 417 - that's the most uplifting comment I've read since the debacle.
Derek Knox
421 Posted 06/01/2020 at 14:49:09
Jason and Kim, I think he may also need Dyno-Rod to dislodge/move the mountain of brown stuff at Finch Farm. 🤔😋
John Cook
422 Posted 06/01/2020 at 15:47:17
Paul @ 418 See my comments at 150.Dont expect a change to come any time soon.As I said above,it's an attitude thing thriught the club.,has been since the eighties at least.Liverpool expect to win every game and trophies are fundamental to their culture.Everton with their defeatist,weak minded "if yer no yer istory" attitudes is an embarrassment compared to them.It is vital to the future of Everton that that this mind set changes. I cannot see this happening anytime soon with this bunch of characters in charge.
Don Alexander
423 Posted 06/01/2020 at 16:24:26
I am amazed that some people on TW still seem to fail to see the one constant presence, still right at the top of our boardroom, with a newly "enhanced" role according to the most gullible/delusional billionaire in football, during the thirty years of singular demise since we were recognised as as "big six" club by those who incepted the Premier League.

His fingerprints are all over our now chronic 'istory. "Shambolic" is putting it mildly.

He has gone out of his way to appoint cheap, yes-men lackeys as coaches, even when they had no formal qualifications at all, or any experience or success at other clubs, and no, none of them have sought to leave us excepting Stubbsy, who immediately nose-dived in Scotland. For that, read "not good enough at the sharp end".

Yes, Unsworth's won the nonentity reserves league a time or two but his 1st team product is poor.

Kenwright's signed players and managers with his much-vaunted "special know-how" when it comes to football, according to him and, latterly, Moshiri, who've been largely bog-standard at best and nowhere near good enough to win a trophy. He's embroiled us for many years in a still mysterious financial "arrangement", to me at least, with Green and the BVI whilst our status continued to plummet (yet some us still laud our so-called "great" team when Arteta, Pienaar and Cahill et al caused not one ounce of sweat to appear on the brow of any successful club at the time).

In order to have a hope of stemming cancer you need to eviscerate the tumour itself. Only then can you hope to stem all the poisonous cells it permeated the club with.

Colin Malone
424 Posted 06/01/2020 at 17:02:36
David @414.

Final point: What the fuck has happened to our U23s? They won the PL2 twice on the run but look at the current crop of Liverpool youngsters...

Don @423 is spot on, saying.

He has gone out of his way to appoint cheap yes-men lackeys as coaches, even when they had no formal qualifications at all.

I recall Kevin Sheedy, who was doing a great job with the youngsters, getting told he does not fit in. From whom? From a yes-man lackey.

Brian Wilkinson
425 Posted 06/01/2020 at 17:17:32
Three very good chances we had yesterday in the first half, three times we hit the ball dead centre of goal where their goalie was stood.

Likewise with Mina with City, headed straight at their goalkeeper.

Frank Crewe
426 Posted 06/01/2020 at 17:50:06
The fact is the players can't get past the red shirts. There isn't a player at the club who has been in a winning Everton side against Liverpool at Anfield.
Liverpool could put a team of scarecrows out dressed in red shirts and they would still beat us. Our players have become so used to losing that they have already accepted defeat days before the match is actually played. It's a mental block, especially with the longer serving players. Coleman has been at the club for ten years, Baines twelve years. Never been on the winning side in a derby at Anfield.
Shneiderlin, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Coleman, Pickford played so badly they might as well have handed in a transfer request. I'd sell them for whatever we can get for them just to get them out of the club.
We need a whole new midfield. Without Gomes they're just a bunch of plodders.
Paul A Smith
427 Posted 06/01/2020 at 18:09:49
Some great gossip there Don. Coaches with no experience? How do they get that then? Have you seen Uniteds coaches across the board? Loads of former players over the years. Nicky Butt is there now. Wonder where he got his experience?

You think Moyes changing coaches came cheap when Steve Round came in for Alan Irvine? You think it didn't cost a fortune to hire and fire Martinez Allardyce and Koemans big teams?

Gerry Ring
428 Posted 06/01/2020 at 19:57:15
Frank 426. You named 5 players, however, I honestly don’t think Coleman or Pickford should be included. In fairness to Seamus, he was having a better game than Sidibe and maybe should have been left on. It beggars belief though, how Schneiderlin played the full game. Silva persisted with him over McCarthy which resulted in Macca leaving for £3m. 🤔
Brian Wilkinson
429 Posted 06/01/2020 at 21:12:31
Liverpool showed as well as Utd that youth will put a shift in and sometimes will even suprise.

We have the likes of a Lewis Gibson and Anthony Gordon along with Kenny onloan.

Why not give the above two a run of games, freshen it up a bit.

Next season we could have Kenny, Gibson, Digne, Holgate and Mina in defence.

At the moment,unless we bring players in, I would look to give Gibson and Gordon, a run of games, we need to try something different, at the moment we have too many passengers in the team.

Don Alexander
430 Posted 07/01/2020 at 09:41:39
Paul (#427) all I know is that when Liverpool realised the "boot-room" culture had stopped supplying trophies they got rid of every former player and have now employed coaches and a manager with no 'istory at all at the club and are now European champions and waltzing away with the league.

Coincidence, or ruthless professionalism?

Paul A Smith
431 Posted 07/01/2020 at 10:30:10
Don we haven't come from a trophy laden era mate. Our problems are not all down to Kenwright at all. Some maybe but he works for Moshiri now and he is the boss.

The last 4 managerial choices have not taught you that?
By the way Moyes invited Big Dunc to be coach at Everton. Watch his interview with them 2 brain dead mediocrity accepting fools from Toffeetv.

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