10-man Everton beaten in another insipid away display

Same old shite line up. Predictable as an echo.

Same formation, same shit players, same old Everton... He never changes that formation, ever!!! Aaaagggghhhhh!!!!

But having lost 3 league games on the bounce, we effectively do the same thing?

This is beginning to smack of latter era Martinez stubbornness or lack of ideas.

Too open in midfield, but maybe it will suit this game?

Taking up my position behind the sofa.

Martinez Mk 2 but with better players.

Results may prove me/us wrong, of course, but is there anyone out there who is genuinely confident of a positive outcome this afternoon with those 11 players? I very much doubt it.

Better players? Don't know about that. Martinez had Lukaku. If he was in our current side instead of Calvert-Lewin, I'm sure we would be doing a lot better.

Start sorting it out today, Blues. Just do it.

Gomes probably wouldn't last 90 mins, but would it not make more sense to start him, instead of using him from the bench. Also, I would have played Bernard instead of Sigurdsson.

That team is completely bereft of any confidence, which has filtered through to us fans. I'm finding the start to this season as bad as Koeman's second season.

I know Gomes wouldn't last 90 mins, but would it not make more sense to start him, instead of him coming off the bench? I would have started Bernard for Sigurdsson.

We are too slow moving forward. Every time we turn back and go sideways, and by then Burnley have everyone back behind the ball.

Positives: Keane and Mina have looked solid, Digne is probing and Delph has done well. The rest is same old.

If you think that’s good enough for the money we’ve had, we are a big part of the problem.

Potentially yes... but equally, the mark of a good manager is his ability to react positively and proactively to adversity. Not our Marco.

Lose a full back. Put on a full back. Cling on. Lose. Moan.

Says something about just how disillusioned I am about my team that I would rather stay with her than suffer up the road with a pint!

Coleman completely let Silva (and us all) down today. He played crap and put in two terrible challenges – the first one could have been a red card on its own.

It's so depressing being an Everton fan at the moment.

Regarding the red card, the 2nd yellow very harsh.

45!!!

He couldn't manage a Sunday League team.

Time us all to be put out of this depressing miserable Groundhog Day that is modern era Everton FC.

Guardiola has done it at Man City and klipperty Klopp is doing it with the Red Shite. Guardiola has got rid of players who don't improve or don't have the work ethic he is looking for. Klopp has either been lucky or he is great at scouting players because I can't really think of anyone he has brought in and he not improved (maybe Keita but he's still young enough).

Silva and his coaching staff aren't doing it for Everton and his whole demeanour is depressing, whether it's on the touchline or in interviews.

Silva is just marking time now. The sack is inevitable as night following day.

Our midfielders contribution for the attack is 0 but really 0. We can barely create a chance and the "manager" even dresses as he goes to a funeral. The sooner we get rid of him, the better.

The only point I was wrong was when I said that it is a relegation battle. It is just a relegation. The players today tried to do something but there is not a system and that is because we don't have a manager.

With the players at his disposal, he has to get them playing better.

Who comes in? Jose would be my choice, at least it would be interesting come pressers!

The end.

Huff, puff, and no genuine game plan. What the hell is happening at Everton?

This is a serious malaise and no sign of scoring goals and a loose defence.

The character and soul of the club is being melted down into the very long distant past.

I don't get the game plan, and how the hell can we aim to win a football match, playing like this?

We are rank and 4 defeats and in all, bar a bit of effort last week, we are looking like a defeated team as soon as we get on the park.

Rant over, and what happens next?

I know your love is for the club and not the manager but something has to give. We are heading for relegation. I have not seen a worse Everton team in my life and also have not seen a worse team than us in the Premier League. Can't defend and can't score.

As low as it gets.

And, if we do sack him, that will be 3 managers we have sacked but are still paying wages too. Moshiri must be thinking "WTF???"

Two weeks for the directors to try and sort this mess out!

Get Rafa, and pay the going rate for a proven manager at the highest level.

We have the players who just need organising.

Shouldn’t be that hard!

Relegation battle, when you can't score goals or keep clean sheets then what else is there to expect really?

I'm awaiting the Monday morning sound bites from one of our players

“We'll turn it around”

Yadda yadda fuckin' yadda!!

I could see them appointing Mourinho, but I don't think he's the answer, either. I would love to see Marcelino appointed, but the people who run things at the club never seem to look overseas for a manager.

If this is what Moshiri expects from an Everton manager then I could deliver the same results for a lot less wages.

Always difficult when you go down to 10 men, but in all honesty the way Everton played all game didn't change either side of the sending off.

Teams do not have to play exceptionally well to beat us. Just be bog-standard ordinary – in defence, midfield and attack – and we do and have nothing to hurt them back.

We continue to look quite abject against very ordinary teams. It's inevitable that Silva's position will increasingly come under pressure. This malaise cannot be allowed to continue unabated.

He could change the players and/or try new tactics. His stubborness should cost him his job.

We need a manager to develop a team that is cohesive and work for each other. A manager who is strong enough to say no when Brands or Moshiri want to bring in the next big-name player and instead demands the player who fits the role needed to move the team on.

We also need new coaching staff. I find it incredible tgat tye youngsters that Unsworth develops then go backward when they get in the first team. Davies was one, Barkley is another. Maybe it is time to promote Unsworth to assistant manager to provide some continuity for the current crop of young players.

If Silva is shown the door, then I think Everton needs to look to Germany for the next manager. They seem to be providing the best development for young players and their commitment to strong technical ability would improve the current team no end.

I really wanted Silva to succeed but he is showing himself to be totally incompetent and unable to stop the rot.

Not one to call for the managers head but he has to go. No plan A, B or C and how poor are we in the final 3rd?!

Silva has been given time, money and still can't get these overpaid prima donna's playing as a team.

If Moshiri truly wants to turn us into a major force again then he needs to show his ruthless streak that obviously he must of had to make the money he has because if not do we will be dragged into a relegation battle for the rest of the season and it will be another wasted season.

Joys of being a blue I suppose?!

If Silva doesn't want to change his approach, then we need to change him!

But hang on – if we do dice with a relegation battle we will be fine coz pressure brings the best out of these players!

We can stay up, just need a new coach to come in and shake things up.

The club is 17th in the league! We are in trouble. Two weeks till the next match. Silva won't turn this around, sadly. We need to be organized and hard to beat. David Moyes with Unsworth as number two. May not be perfect but a fighting chance of survival is required.

"Get Rafa, and pay the going rate for a proven manager at the highest level"?

Not a chance. We are total shite and Rafa is on mega bucks. Why would he come here?

Everton currently play without a striker, not even a fucking stiff of a striker. So somehow, Calvert-Lewin gets the ticket and fuck me, other teams just laugh at our excuse of a Number 9.

Oh well, we can now have hundreds of threads on how or why Calvert-Lewin is not quite there or how shite Silva is, but in reality we play without a striker.

Every game we somehow get beat, but we always seem to have around 60 to 70 percent of possession. Figure that one out.

Anybody would be an improvement, Benitez or Hughton, would be a huge improvement. Pay him off tomorrow and get somebody who has a record of success or at least somebody with a football brain.

We are a club of half-arsed losers, full of fantasy and sentimental nonsense grown over decades and still curated by the current Board. Who's going to change that, who do we have, or who can we get, with the immense force of will and character required to overcome this poisonous heritage?

We don't have Lukaku to bail us out this time around and I don't know where the goals are going to come from?

I have no confidence in us beating any of the bottom 6.

How ironic would it be if, in the season that Liverpool win the league, we end up getting relegated!

My choice would be Eddie Howe but I'm sure plenty of others will have different thoughts. The bottom line is that, if Silva is left in place, we are going to be in the Championship next season.

60 years a Blue, I've never been so flat and despondent.

The scariest part is, we're 17th in the table, and the only top team we've played so far, is Man City. Time to change the manager in the 2-week break.

Replace him with José Mourinho. I cannot say that I like his personality but he has got a track record. That is what Everton needs now, at once!

He's a spent force without the credibility to retrieve the situation. Surely the Everton board must see that. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing at the right time. Nothing is gained by delaying it.

Ed Prytherch. You might have a point.

It's no longer about how the manager can turn things around. It's about how did he get us here.

It's blindingly obvious these bunch of mercenaries just don't care enough about the fans and the club. They should all hang their heads in shame. But guess what: they fucking won't.

I'm afraid this was all too predictable when we appointed Silva. Even the good run last season included the Fulham debacle. He wasn't good at Hull City or Watford. The odd good performance but many dreadful ones. Not good enough.

We need a manager who knows how to win. Benitez for me. Fed up of summer optimism turning to relegation fears in October. We were a lot better when we had no money.

Rafa is currently in China, and his family are still on Merseyside.

Not sure money is the be-all and end-all.

Don't ask, don't get.

Our first 8 fixtures – on paper – should have given us the chance to build a challenge for the top 6 by being at the top end of the table. Instead, we've been subjected to disjointed performances, predictably repetitive formations and selections time after time, and a manager who has proven himself to be clueless as to how to instigate change. It's time to act boldly and remove him from his post.

In many ways, I am not overly concerned with who we bring in. I'd personally be happy to give Unsworth the job until further notice. Seeing how Graham Potter at Brighton rolled the dice today – against Spurs no less – by giving starts to the mightily impressive 19-year-old Connolly and 21-year-old Alzate makes me weep for the ever-cautious Silva. I feel that Unsworth would shake things up immediately.

As a footnote, I thought we were also incredibly fortunate to get wins against Watford and Wolves. We have not played at all well this season – not for longer than the odd 10-minute spell here and there. Silva must go. Now.

With these fuckers in charge, anything is possible.

At its heart, I think the problem comes from the need to achieve a quick "fix" – perhaps it's the comparisons with neighbours that drives managers to seek off-the-shelf solutions? Whatever it is – the pattern is well-set: EFC will flatter to deceive in the odd game against big names, and consistently struggle and fail in the majority of matches.

There have been too many managerial failures to attribute it all to the man at the top. The players come and go and the money we pay for them, for at least the last 3 years, cannot be the cause. But when that team steps on the pitch it lacks any professional determination and the fragility is almost constant.

The only way forward is to rebuild from the basics, as Klopp did. Throw away the backroom structures, the sentimental attachments to ex-players and School of Science bollocks – it is all a failure. I realise that the easy answer on here is to replace Silva with God knows who – or to blame it all on Kenwright. But the source of failure is the refusal to start at the very basic level, rebuild the lot, risk a really crap season. Or settle for another 25 years of mediocrity.

"We need a manager to develop a team that is cohesive and work for each other"

That's what we thought when we brought Silva in, young and progressive.

It's frightening when you think about the same mistake being made again with the next manager?

I hope Moshiri has nothing to do with the choice of the next manager.

Get Silva out off our club before it's too late.

Pick a worthy charity and, every goal we concede, the charity gets $10k.

Can anyone name a player we have that will do that? Gana left and this dope gets rid of his replacement for buttons.

Roy Keane would probably continue the cycle we're already in.

Then again he can't be any worse than Silva.

I'm sick to the back teeth of this monotonous shite, week-in & week-out – it's about time us Everton fans had some success to cheer on!!!

At least he actually had a decent start at Hull and Watford, but with us he's been shit from the start, except for a decent home spell at the end of last season when the players finally showed some intensity. Since then, we've gone back to the way we were – slow, ponderous, clueless, under-performing from one to eleven.

His record is now worse than Koeman's, and only marginally better than Sam's. Sack the fucker.

The sending off today had no influence on any of the above so any comment along those lines from the manager is complete twaddle. He must go and go soon to enable a new manager to try and rescue a season.

Good shout, but I think many on here cannot forgive the fat Spanish waiter!

Well played, Schneiderlin sees off another manager after becoming a regular starter.

But at least Silva can take satisfaction from having more possession than the opposition again, bloody moron.

It's bad when a 'swashbuckling attacking manager' can't got his team to score or create half-a-dozen decent chances. 3 attempts on target, those stats are being kind.

I wanted Silva to turn it around but, as I and many others have said, he doesn't learn lessons or if he does, isn't able to get his players to do what he wants. Why not play two strikers for 10 minutes when 1-0 down or push Mina or Keane up top for last 10 minutes?

Either way, it's unacceptable because he keeps picking the same players, playing the same keep-ball and pass backwards rubbish.

Burnley's full-backs ran at our defence, winning corners, throw-ins, free-kicks. They whip crosses in because they have bodies running forward able to attack a ball. Simple, a bit of pace, energy and players carrying the ball forward down the wing into space, not cutting inside where the defenders are.

Seamus had a few good runs but his final ball isn't good enough. I can understand the sending off, he maybe was a little bit frustrated but another silly rash moment from one of our defenders.

Digne, who can cross, appears to have given up on first-time crossing. Always taking a touch, passing back inside for someone else to cross or lose possession.

I feel sorry for Calvert-Lewin. If he had 5 decent quick crosses into the box whilst he's on the move he'd have a chance. Today nothing. He'd be sensational playing for Burnley.

Mina played well. Richarlison and Delph ran themselves into the ground but overall no quality, no imagination, no leadership and the manager clearly has no answers.

Welcome back to the spotlight, David Unsworth. Do us all proud. If players aren't performing, drop them and give youth a chance.

My criticism of him, in his last stint he started playing Schneiderlin. Criminal mistake which I will not forgive if he does that again.

Maybe Joao Pedro Sousa was the main man all along? Since he has left their partnership Silva has been all at sea. He's like a puppy that's lost its owner at the fair.

Man Utd bring in Gollum, a similar manager and get similar results to us. City and The Dark Side bring in top managers and win the Premier League and the Champions League.

There is no reason why Moshiri can't lure a better quality manager to us. We are one of the 20 richest sides in Europe, playing in one of the few leagues that can expect European success.

There are more than 20 active managers that have a much better CV than our last 4 managers, some of them are or will be available. If Moshiri can't persuade one of them to take us on then there's something wrong, but if he can't we may as well stick with Silva as we are going nowhere either way.

George, that was Connolly's debut. Remember the scenes when Davies broke into the team? And Lookman? One swallow etc.

I'm hoping Moshiri has no part in the next manager coming to this club, he chose both Keoman and Silva if gossip is to be believed.

Like most people I would take the fat waiter in a heart beat. He's been gone a long time from the other lot, so that will be out of his system by now.

We always seem to employ managers with "potential" well fuck potential, get in a proven winner.

Benitez has won more on his own than our last 5 managers put together.

Surely he's gone in the morning.

"When you are in these types of moments the details are against you."

Moments? a moment is a brief period of time not several months. "Details" a detail is like "the ball skimmed the keeper's laces but it was not awarded as an own goal." Things like, scoring goals, keeping clean sheets, playing well, are fundamentals. These are the basics, not "details."

The club is at that stage where the next manager just has to be better that what we've got, we're desperate.

We're failing on the pitch and in the back room.

We've become a joke club, I think what we need is a witch doctor to take this curse away thats hanging over us, or more probably its the right time to buy out Kenwright
The whole culture of the club needs to change, we are a soft touch on and off the field.
I'm not a big fan of changing the manager every five minutes but Silva is pretty uninspiring I must say.
I would give Duncan Ferguson his cards for starters he's been too associated with our lack of drive and success.
After that If I'm honest I haven't a effing clue what to do.

Come on. Gerard? He has helped Rangers consolidate their place as the second best team in a two horse race. Aside from which he is an ass clown.

Our manager, meanwhile, stands there looking gormless.

Given our past history of stability for managers, the swift dispatch of, Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce, is, I feel, testament to this.

The difference now is, of course, that we have a Director of football and it will be interesting to see what impact this has, overall, on the current situation.

I will not and would not be surprised to see Marco Silva get his cards this weekend.

What intrigues me more is, who will his replacement be?

I, for one, would also not be surprised to see Unsworth step into the caretaker role, once again, whilst a permanent replacement is sought and, if Unsworth performs well over a series of games, I would also not be surprised to see him get the job - this time.

God knows, he couldn't do much worse, and we are almost a quarter of the way through the season.

Marco's time is up. It was all too clear and evident.

Mikel Arteta, Nagelsmann, Marsh, some young aggressive coach known by Marcel, anyone.

Just start playing real football for fuck's sake. All this "system" bullshit - down the sides, God forbid you play it in the middle of the pitch, etc., fuck that. Find a young, offensive minded coach and let's start to play something we can actually fucking watch, please.

It's time to pull the trigger. I never wanted to say it, and I swore I'd stand by Marco for three years. But today I saw a team who's packed it in and are not playing for their manager. I didn't think I'd see that, as Marco does have a sterling record of relationships with his players.

But the gig is up. The players are done. He's gotta go.

Sigurdsson plays even though he has not done anything good this season. Schneiderlin plays even though he has almost never been adding anything since he came to the club. Coleman plays even though he has not been very good lately. Delph is almost on his own on the midfield. That simply does not work.

Bernard who is one of our best players has not even been on the bench?!?

Even thouh Dignes long throws does not work we still continue with this, wasting opportunities.
The gameplay is way too slow. The midfield cripples the whole team. Why the f** did we not get a better central midfielder in the window? We have been lacking this for years. I could go on here for another hour.

Sack Silva now please or I will stop watching my beloved team.

There's no reason to expect Benitez to join us except if he's homesick. I'm waiting for the Moshiri statement on this and hope it's not. 'now is the time to be patient'. We got lucky last season, to continue with Silva would be a death wish, pay him off get him out. Patience is exhausted.

Watching a stream the commentator pointed out that our back post is exposed at every corner. Sure enough free volley on the back stick. Similar chance in the first half was saved by Pickford.

For all of our possession we just don't look like scoring. Last 10 mins we didn't even throw a centre back up top.

How much longer can we give him. We have had an easy start and are looking more and more toothless the more games we play.

I have no idea what tactics he is using to try and win games. It looks like he is more interested in possession than scoring goals. We have conceded loads from set pieces but can't score from them. The fact that he is reluctant to change formation or tactics will get him the sack.

Compare The teams of Moyes, Martinez and Silva and see if we’ve progressed...
(Based on 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, a number 10 role and a striker... and Moyes team being from a similar era as each other) who would you pick for each position?

Moyes / Martinez / Silva
Howard / Howard / Pickford
Coleman / Coleman / Coleman
Baines / Baines / Digne
Distin/ Stones / Mina
Jagielka / Jagielka / Keane
Osman / Delafelou / Richarlison
Pienaar / Mirallas / Iwobi
Carsley / Barry / Schneiderlin
Arteta / McCarthy / Delph
Cahill / Barkley / Sigurdsson
Yakubu / Lukaku / Calvert-Lewin

I then realised what I was thinking and why.

It is disgusting that any Evertonian should look at that scoreline and think what I thought.

That's alright then. We were really shit last season but managed to become slightly less shit, and then we became shit again this season so just wait and we'll be a bit less shit again soon etc etc.

Not good enough. I don't buy a season ticket to watch my team endlessly recovering from being shit. Thanks, goodbye Marco

I'm happy giving Unsworth the opportunity for now. He'll make us harder to beat, keep it simpler (back to basics) whilst playing the youth is needs be.

Number 1 for me has always been Roberto Mancini. Now managing Italy and I'm not sure if he would leave so soon as he's only been there 4 months.
2nd Simeone but Language and our lack of pedigree would be hard to sell.

After that it's probably short term so realistically Moyes is probably most likely if he's out of work or the ex-Watford boss.
I'm OK with Benitez but doubtful as he's on mega money in China.
Is like to consider Howe but his weakness is our weakness ie teams can't defend and the same applies for Wenger.
I think he'd be the one after if Mancini can sure up the defensive side of the squad.

Mourhinho can get bent. Hope he'd say no if we approached. Proven winning mentality but massive short term disruption and

Whilst I’m here, let’s not forget that we were doing really well towards the end of last season but failed to replace Gana, Zouma and did not bring in a striker (Kean obviously not ready) so whereas Silva will probably pay the price, he’s not the only one to blame. Brands cannot be blameless here. I’m ever so slightly concerned that Brands will want a young manager with potential rather than someone proven - someone to be part of his long term project. That concerns me as it’s a risky strategy with the current squad/mood at the club.

Arteta if completely unproven as a manager, that would be a huge gamble.

How many of SAFs assistants walked away from UTD and didn't do as well as we thought they'd do?

I think we need a manager with some History behind him this time.

Not sur what game they were at because BBC stats say Everton had 2 shots on target and only 2 more shots in total than Burnley. It is this positive spin despite the fact that make me doubt our board is capable of doing the right thing or finding the right manager.

We'll get in another manager and we'll have a honeymoon, until the players decide they don't like him either. How tiring and depressing it all is. I don't think we're supporting Everton any more, we're supporting a travesty, just a name and a name which is being abused.

We're not alone, of course, many other clubs' fans suffer the same casual contempt: pay your money please, and let us kick you in the balls.

Here’s another thought, purely tongue in cheek, our last three managers have all been paid up for additional seasons they did not have to even get out of bed for.

Get some bad results and you get rewarded with a full pay off.

That is what you get with not bringing in a top quality striker, people scoffed at Vardy last season, but he is a damn sight better than anyone we have at the club.

It's time for a Game Of Thrones moment... and I don't mean shaving his head, stripping him nude and banging a bell shouting "shame."

Although i'm tempted.

The most disappointing and indeed worrying part for me was the fact that he just kept repeating the same formula defeat after defeat after defeat, There would have been plenty on here dissecting any such tactical change but nobody would have had issue with him actually changing things up ?

Not only have all the performance been shite this year but each game has been a carbon copy of the last

Sorry lads we bought the ticket once again and "hoped" a manager without any pedigree would come good for us ? Odds were heavily stacked against it happening and the idea he may overnitght go from looking clueless to being a manager of any note is nil

I had asked before if anybody knew the portuguese word for Embarrasing ? it doesnt appear to be in Marco vocabulary but is the only description I can find

Goodbye Marco - Even if we don't have a replacenent he needs to go and Unsworth step in the interim for sake of the travelling support especially - We are a joke

I recently read Wenger was looking to get back into management. We couldn't do much worse – the man is a proven winner. I know he took some flak off the Arsenal fans towards the end of his tenure but they’re no better now.

Persuading him to come to a poor mid-table team is another matter but at least test the water. This appointing mediocre managers has got to stop.

I’m not saying we go for him but a pragmatic manager who get us well organised and tough to beat could be just what we need.

I agree. And we replaced him with Boa Morte. Why, because he speaks Portuguese? He and Duncan hated each others guts as players. I can't imagine that there is any decent chemistry in there,

Whenever the name of a British manager who has his team organised to survive is mentioned, there's always almost a feeling of embarrassment because they're not regarded as being as talented or progressive as continental managers are.

Give Dyche £300m to spend and I don't think he'll do to badly at all. We need to open our minds for the next choice of manager.

Come on, ma – let's have another round of Heat Maps!!

Not sure you're right. I felt like Martinez and Koeman could have gone earlier, and stuttered on for a while when the rot had clearly already set in. Allardyce's tenure was as dark as it's been in recent years; he was always a stop-gap, and was dispatched as soon as we had a pre-season to re-group. If Moshiri wants to get the majority of fans onside in one fell swoop then I think he should sack Silva immediately, and use the international break to get Unsworth into caretaker mode and root out the rest of the Silva brigade.

We need a manager with a strong philosophy and tough style of play. A respected bastard who is a winner and who will get this shower to believe in themselves.

Some would say we couldn't get him but with Brands, a new stadium on the horizon, excellent training facilities, a Premier League challenge, quality players, money to spend and a club to mould in his own image it might be a challenge that Diego Simeone (with Arteta his number 2) might be tempted by.

And I seem to remember Wenger has stated several times that he's not interested in managing any other PL teams after Arsenal?

The much maligned Solskjaer is actually trying to do what SAF did, by building a new team with young players. With the support of the owners. It remains to see if they'll have the nerve to carry through with it, though.

Wedded to a whiteboard, an app or the never ending plethora of coaching aids he shows no understanding of pragmatism, blending partnerships and lacks acumen in the game itself.

Like Martinez, and Koeman before him, we have hired a dud. That’s why I don’t prescribe to the shout we cannot sack another guy.

It will undoubtedly come down to paying a well decorated, perhaps past their best manager a huge sum to come and sort us out.

The salary will be eye watering and hard to justify but that what it will take to convince someone in that bracket.

We are basket case, but a basket case in the premier league were money and limelight can draw all but the very best.

So I don’t buy that Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger or Allegri won’t come. We simply haven’t given them the right number.

We have never installed a manager in our history with a record of those above. Time to cough up and mean it.

Big managers tend to have a team around them that follows them. No club would ask a potential manager to sack his right hand man.

Anyone remember the 4-1 drubbing by Soton? A performance so bad that Joe Royle had to come down and console Unsie on the touchline during the match.

The performance that got Farhad Moshiri shitting Sam Allardyce pounds in panic.

NO FUCKING CHANCE...……..

Right now I would take that for the next 2-3 years.

Please don't mention the "Special One" unless you mention £400m along side his name to spend (or similar to him).

The next one will be a caretaker, take your pick?

I'd swap Silva for Dyche here and now.

That's another debate altogether, but sadly you might be right.

I can only see about 7 or 8 I'd want to keep out of the entire playing staff.

Caretaker - Daffy Duck!!!!

I don't think a new manager will solve anything at all. We have relegation written all over us after that game today; it was massively demoralising. Those players don't give a damn - with one or two exceptions. And that is very bad news.

It is indeed Aston Villa, the same chopping and changing of managers, the crap attitudes and, above all, the sense of a slide which isn't going to be arrested. Given the fixtures to come, this is a truly desperate time.

Everything came from the wings, how many shots did we have centrally or cunning play throught the middle?

We are so easy to predict, everything is telegraphed.

“We recognise that we have a strong and successful youth team that has not always provided a clear path to the first team. Therefore for the next 2-3 seasons we will aim to promote youth at the expense of some more senior pros. We appreciate the fans patience with this formula throughout the next couple of seasons when there will invariably by some low points as well as some high points. We aim to, in 3 seasons time, to have a dedicated, committed playing staff who have grown up together, witnessed the highs and come through the lows together. We ultimately believe this will put us in a better position than the shite we’re in now”

We then start to get shut of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, etc.

Marking at set pieces was diabolical. Pickford had to save a shot from a unmarked player , nearly the same angle, in the first half. Pickford should be asking questions off his defence.

The distribution out of defence was slow and poor.

The midfield was that bad I wondered if Siggy was playing. Schierderlin was more a defensive player than a midfielder. The amount of loose ball Burnley recovered unchallenged in midfield, once their attack had broken down was embarrassing.

Coleman was clearly a yard of the pace, and the two late challenges where inevitable. Should have got a red card for the first one. I bet the ref thought the same when he looked at it a half time.

Both Coleman and Dyne got in crosses, but forwards didn't know to get to the near posts and where miles away from challenging the defender that did.

The organisation of the attack is non existent, playing on the wings, turning into trouble and no link up runnings into the box. Very little support play on the edge of the box, for Calvert Lewin to play one twos.
Iowbi was the only player who was trying to do or create anything in and around the box. Dread to think what the selection would have been, if Walcott was available.

Motivation to win non existent amongst most players. If Silva is naive to believe that this side is going to get a result against West Ham, he has already given up.

There are aleast four players, who should have been dropped prior to this game. A kick in the ass would be too good for them.

Finch Farm must be more useless than I thought.

DC-L always comes in for some stick but I thought he played a bit better than most of our lot. And as you say, there wasn't one decent dangerous cross in to him all game. His flick that let Sigurdsson in on goal was decent, but Sigurdsson messed it up with a very poor touch.

The quality of crossing and the final ball into the box was below non-league standard today. No quality balls in a t all from Seamus [who is only 90% of what he was pre-injury] and Digne had another off day. Iwobi and Richie, disappointingly against Burnley ,created very little

We are really missing the quality of Gomes and Bernard. The team looked impotent and needed their class on the pitch today.

I think Brands will want to give Silva every chance to turn it around (however unlikely it looks). I said before today that he’d get 3 matches and if we didn’t win at least one of them he’d be gone. So 2 left I reckon.

In terms of replacements there’s a few decent options though never such a thing as certainty with managers. Broadly speaking there are the:

‘experienced winners’: Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Allegri, Mancini.

‘Solid organisers’: Dyche, Wilder, Moyes, Hughton.

‘Next big things’: Nagelsmann, Gallardo, ten Haag, Spirito Santo, Arteta, Potter.

‘Wild cards’: Marcelino, Neville, Unsworth, Howe, Pochettino.

Some of those (Nagelsmann, Poch, Mourinho) are probably pretty unrealistic. Chris Wilder is bookies pick at the moment and I think he’d be good. I really like Graham Potter but can’t imagine he’d leave Brighton so soon. Benitez would seem a very sensible choice if you can look beyond the history. Very probably Unsworth would be in as caretaker to give Brands time to make the right choice.

Can’t believe we’re here again!

Wenger or Benitez for me. Both successful and understand how to build a proper team better than almost anyone alive.

I think either would clear the place out and start again and do it properly , things are not right. I think there would be a wholesale culture change at the club and training ground with either of them two.

I think either would do a lot better with the current players at their disposal and would make 1 or 2 well bought essential additions.

What a shambles of a club we've become, we missed the boat back in the 1980's shame on Kenwright. Moshiri hasn't surrounded himself with the right people either, it all points to total failure much like Leeds and Aston Villa I fear we're going the same way.

Easy peasy.

All he does is sit next to The one man pantomime Guardiola holding a clip board.

He’s done nothing at managerial level yet Dyche is in 4th and ridiculed.

I doubt Brands is going anywhere, he's just been promoted to the board of directors.

More probable is that Messrs Moshiri & Kenwright will stand well away from this disaster and leave it to Brands having both had their fingers burnt with previous hires.

Sometimes it’s sad to see a manager sacked, but I feel nothing for Silva because he hasn’t helped himself, just carried on in the same way since the season started, I don’t think he has much time left as a manager of the club and sadly I couldn’t care less, it’s patently obvious he is not good enough to manage Everton and I feel the club will be damaged further the longer he stays.

I will start the ball rolling with Benetez.

I absolutely despise the idea of changing managers now -- it just seems way too soon -- but the facts are staring us in the face and it feels like the decision is being forced upon us. We in the US are facing the same situation politically, with our bleached-blond clown essentially demanding impeachment with conduct so outrageous it no longer allows any other conclusion. Silva's sack now has the same sense of inevitability, given his clownish insistence that we continue to lose exactly the same way every time.

I would tend to agree that Benitez is the most sensible choice, because I honestly couldn't give a flying frijole what he said in 2007 when he was managing on the other side of the park. I think we can pay off the remainder of the £12 million he's making in China, where his Dalian club is muddling along mid-table with the season winding down. (And Dalian in November is no bargain -- I've been there.)

But at this point, anybody who knows how to coach set-piece defense would be good enough for me.

Expect your ball to roll back to you with a knife in it, there will be a few queueing up on here to be first.

I cannot believe our majority owner will allow this situation to persist. Everything is relative: the cost of getting rid is peanuts in comparison with the cost already spent on assembling the squad. The decision could be hours away.

A new manager (I haven’t a clue who it will be) has three tasks:

1. Ditch the zonal marking.
2. Practise set pieces at both ends.
3. Build a system to suit the talents of the available players, rather than trying to fit them to some predetermined scheme.

The new manager has a great opportunity: the squad is not without talent, and we are still in the Carabao Cup.

I'm not sure a "Contract" has the same significance in China as it does here, brown envelopes can be passed under the table easier there than here.

Agree we need a TW poll up with the runners and riders.

Over to you Michael.

He's got to be tired of managing Salomon Rondon.

I agree about having wanted Silva to get more time but increasingly getting that feeling of inevitability. The margins are small (if Iwobi had put away that chance!) but the fat lady is warming up.

Benitez feels a solid option (I care far more about our future than his presence l) though Brands has spoken about his need to ensure continuity of style so perhaps he’ll opt for a coach keener on pressing?

Arteta for me is an intriguing option but far too risky where we are. Our last 3 long(ish) term managers have all been ‘next bright young things’ and have all failed; so I find myself erring towards experience. I wonder if there’s a world in which Pochettino is managing us by Xmas?!

The Arteta idea to me is ridiculous. A manager who has never managed before? Sorry, but no matter how smart and talented Miggy may be, he'd be way, way too large a gamble.

I think Boa Morte was a mistake. Unsworth as assistant manager might have made a positive difference, but obstinate managers are bad news when points aren't being accumulated, and so Silva is on borrowed time regardless.

Moyes, Benitez, and Mourinho: No f'ing way, thanks.

He be waiting to play musical chairs for one of the CL clubs.

'Same old same old!
Martinez Mk 2 but with better players'.

I don't know why I bothered to walk over to the ground because the 90 odd minutes panned out exactly as many of us predicted.

Many of the players say he's a great coach who works one to one with them to improve their game. Maybe so but the matches are played in the real world and not at the FF bubble.

Silva is completely out of his depth in team selection, set up and substitutions. One point from four away games, against less than average sides, with just the one goal scored is simply unacceptable.

This season was supposed to be about challenging the top six or even the top four. Instead we are firmly in the bottom four and it could be worse by the close of play.

Another car crash of a season with every prospect of a relegation struggle. Silva must go NOW and not be given even more time to damage the club even further.

He has to be sick of Egg Fu Young by now and would love to have a nice bowl of Scouse.

It's a possibility some on here should face.

No former or current Everton employees wanted for the job either. The whole club needs a change of direction from top to bottom and get rid of the hangers on and deadwood.

Benitez or Mancini for me but that wont happen because the owners want yes men and lots of fans are obsessed with the RS above the success of our own team.

League placing, points total and 5 defeats from 8 games is unacceptable, particularly in light of the fact that 4 of those teams are not teams we should be losing too.

It’s still only 8 games and he can still turn things round. I expect him to be given time to do so and to deliver. If Sigurdsson played like he sounded on the radio (like he did in every other game this season) then Silva needs to take action and ditch him.

I bet Silva would rather we signed Haller than Kean and had we done so, I think we’d be much higher up the table.

There is no way he will turn this round.

After this international break the games are non-stop until after the FA Cup 3rd round. Meaning he’s got plenty of time to turn things round.

He’s far too good a manager and coach not to do so.

"He’s far too good a manager and coach not to do so."

Steve, my friend, come over here and sit down. This is an intervention. You must have treatment for your addiction. We're all here for ya, we'll get you the best help. You'll be fine when he's gone, believe me.

Read through Sam's list at #232. It will help you detox.

Steve, all he has done is play the same formations and mostly the same players while he's been in trouble and hoped for the best while looking bemused.

Had he of tried something different and put some energy into it he might of got some slack to work wtih.

He got relegated with Newcastle.

As the way I see it we definitely do not want another manager who got relegated recently.

So please stop talking about Benitez, he will change nothing.

Your man's toast. He's failed.

Let him go and get behind the next fella, whoever that maybe.

He's no longer the "Special One", he looks more like the "Tired One", that flame that used to burn so bright is just a flicker now.

If he doesn't have a fortune to spend he's not interested and if the players aren't worshiping him he throws a tantrum.

It’s onlt EFC who’ve on paper got it together financially in terms of backing, and have spent vast riches and are by far worst off than any previous team..

If Marco Silva is thinking it’s almost there or will happen soon, it deffo won’t and he is deluded.

We are the easiest team in th3 league to play and it doesn’t take much to beat us. God only knows what happens Finch Farm. For me as much as I wanted Marco Silva to succeed, with out the basics in football, passion desire, work ethic, team work, coupled with class and belief, this is the most boring and arguably worst team, Ive seen.

Gordon Lee has some bad times, but the players on peanuts in comparison put in more of a shift than this lot.

Preseason at Wigan said it all, as did those nonsense 60 minute tournament games in a Germany.

It’s that bad I’m no longer embarrassed as the whole football world knows how Everton has become synonymous with mediocrity and lazy teams.

Now to finish my beers, and I look forward to all views on this thread. West Ham next, then the next match, 10 league games, in and in the crap house, we will be looking for a new manager, but I’d like to think Marcel, is scouting for one now.

Alas no one expects now and it’s hard to see who’d come in, but I’d take one if the German managers or Simione.

The rot has to stop as we look stuffed running on to the pitch and this is relegation form, but this is serious rot that must be stopped soon.

I’m past the ribbing of RS, all that counts now is the recovery plan and jeopardy management plan to keep Everton up.

Reality is we can’t score, are shipping soft goals every game.

That’s a serious problem for any football team.

I don't think they want anybody who may require them to try too hard, for too long.

On the other hand, it's Moshiri's toy. If he decides he wants Mourinho, I doubt if Brands will get much say in it.

Oh Dear!!!

Any belief that things will improve has gone with that sterile display.

When that hope of improvement has been snuffed out it is time for the manager to be sacked.

Nobody wants instability, but we all want some hope and belief.

There is a window of opportunity to get a new man in fast to sort this malaise out with this 2 week break.

Over to you Farhad.

Moshiri needs to realize that he is totally incapable of picking managers.

It has to be brands who decide the next manager, if not we will end up in the same situation again sometimes next season.

This Everton team/manager has been able to do what the likes of Bingham/Walker/Smith/Martinez/Koeman etc... were unable to do ie they’ve absolutely destroyed my passion for this club that I’ve supported since I was five fucking years old!

I now follow us with the same amount of interest I show in let’s say, Kettering or Stockport Co. I know this may sound like heresy but to paraphrase the great Rhett Butler, frankly my dear, I don’t give a flying fuck!

My mental, and physical, health is far more important than this bunch of useless wankers. I honestly thought the Moshiri era was a new dawn but it’s just the same old shit we’ve been served for the last 30 odd years.

Fuck you Everton, you don’t deserve the vast majority of the fans you have. Rant over.

Some may point to a so called "strong finish" to last season. I disagree. I flew over from the US to see a couple of those games; v Wolves at home - lost and v Burnley at home in the last game of the season, which we won.

Neither were good performances. I get to see every Everton game on the NBC app here and do not see any signs of development/improvement, at least over a relative sustained period. The odd decent performance; v Man U for example provided yet another ray of hope only to quickly fade away. You have to perform at that level every week.

I am not in favor of constant managerial changes but our last crop of charlatans have been abysmal and many on here predicted the outcome well ahead of their eventual sacking. Us fans do know best!

An earlier post listed many options to take over in the event Silva gets the Spanish Archer... but we must make the right choice this time!

Wenger ? he lost the plot years ago Arsenal fans were desperate to get rid.

Benitez ? showed his true worth at Newcastle where he didnt inherit world class players.

Moyes ? haha

Dyche - Yeah, you can just see the headlines. "School of science call in a crash bang wallop merchant".. . Embarrassing suggestion.

Despite being handed the poison Chalice of an injury ravaged team in free fall David Unsworth still managed to steer us away from relegation while gaining himself a better win percentage than all the jokers who were hired before and after him. He also had the old lady rocking which is going to be crucial. He also happens to be a winner.
I'll be surprised if he isn't given the gig. at least on a caretaker basis. I'll be even more surprised if the same experts don't get on his case immediately and blame him for the mess he is charged with getting us out of. . They have previous

That's how bad it is. We might come good in the end, but it's very difficult to see at the moment.

Utter shite (again). Make change now or now or head into a relegation battle, if we're not in one already.

IMO he is toast and if he isn’t he should be.

I wondered what your thoughts were on Marcelino, Ten Hag and Chris Wilder who would be my short listed three.

If Dyche got us playing winning football of any kind I'd be joyous at seeing the crap we're playing now disappear.

Under him we certainly wouldn't be the prem's punchbag. Maybe you're being a bit tough on the guy.

At the end of the day we are all desperate, as our club spirals downwards. Decades of Jack shit and Liverpool looking like its title year.

Everyone is pissed off Darren and we are all aloud to let off steam.

Yours wins.

"David Unsworth still managed to steer us away from relegation while gaining himself a better win percentage than all the jokers who were hired before and after him."

He managed eight games in 2017. He lost five of them. He was totally, hopelessly out of his depth.

Can I have some of what you're smoking? There are some things I'd like to blot out of my memory too.

The owner wants a new ground to up our match day revenue. He has spent hundreds of millions to improve the team. Again a top champions league manager will cost treble what Silva is on with further millions on the team. The owner needs to appoint a manager to keep us in the league till the ground is built. I don't know if we can afford to pay a top manager?

Would David Moyes be a bad choice? I want hunger and desire back in the team from a manager who cares for the club like I do. Yes he left. So he went to United, not Colchester. He over achieved with the money spent and league placements. Champions league place, yes. Failure going back? No. Stability while the ground is developed.

The model for this is "drastic" for some to contemplate but SUCCESSFUL action is in very close proximity to Goodison Park.

Having repeatedly conquered Europe throughout the last few decades of the 20th century courtesy of their despised (by us alone) "boot-room" regime they realised aeons ago, unlike Kenwright, that those days were over.

The last time I checked (and I hate dwelling on their record) they've long since employed no ex-Red players at all in any capacity but mysteriously they show heart, skill and passion in abundance every time they take to the field of play.

I'm just amazed that relatively few Toffees seem unable to identify the rotten hulk still right in the heart of our club. Until it's gone we'll flounder on (if we're lucky) regardless of who's in the manager's office.

That said, I'm starting to get that feeling again this season. We can't stop teams scoring, we can barely create a chance, our keeper always has a gaffe in him and we have a murderers row of fixtures coming up.

Seven points at this stage must have the alarm bells ringing. We are deep in the mire here, something has to change. Silvas unwillingness to change things up is baffling, and if he won't try something different then we need someone different. End of.

Over to you Marcel and Moshiri.

He inherited a team in free fall, they were already out of Europe and you join the ranks of the fools want to count dead rubbers against him ?

He got us out of the shit. He has a 100% home record.

Your the stats man. You find me one of the multi million pound flops with a better points per game ratio where it counts in the EPL .

Joe McMahon

What a daft thing to say. "Nobody has come in for him" does that not suggest they know he is not available. I could list you 15-16 managers in the premier league nobody has come in for

Silvas has had 50 games to show his worth and look where we are. If Unsworth was offered the caretaker job but for five or so games, if I was him I wouldn't take, It's unfair to be judged over five games.

He can stop the rot by simplifying the way we play. At present everything the players try to do looks complicated and difficult. Dispensing with the notion that our players are in any way capable of passing of the ball in and around our own penalty area would be just the first step. The second would be to get the ball up to the front men in say two passes instead of half a dozen. The third would be to coach players to shoot as soon as they have sight of goal. The fourth would be to mark opponents at corner kicks and free kicks. None of this is rocket science.

A positive from today’s game was the performance of Yerry Mina. He read the game well, made several vital interceptions and used the ball positively. In the last few minutes he seemed to depart from the pass, pass, pass mantra by sending a few ‘Hail Mary’ balls up the field. By that stage of course it was too late with Moise Kean unable to win any aerial stuff.

A negative, but hardly a surprising one, was the performance of Sigurdsson. A player inherited from the previous regime was completely anonymous after his early free kick. In seeking to accommodate him in the formation Silva is virtually guaranteeing the slow build-up in attack which is at the root of our inability to create more than a small handful of chances per game.

On a serious note, I would have sacked Silva ahead of the trip to Huddersfield last year.

Flirting with relegation is totally unacceptable.

I desperately want Silva to figure things out, but I'm frankly at a loss at this point.

I have said it before the manager is supposed to have known the oppositions strengths and weaknesses and set the team up to to play against it. During today's game the commentator said the Burnley manager was playing to Evertons weakness, but Everton were not even playing as a team.

This was the managers fault he plays the same way every game, same tactics, same zonal marking that says try and stop us, or see if you can score, and unfortunately the other manager has studied the way Silva plays, and knows how to stop us and knows how to score against us.

I do not want Everton to become a managers merry go round, but consistent failure while playing the same way,is a sign of incompetence, and he should be relieved of his duties,

Koeman was fired with a record just as bad as Silva,s and with the same problem, as in some of the signings were not as good as we were expected to believe.

It is a long time since we had someone who would, like J.Moore, put his money were his mouth was, so Moshiri better get a grip of what is happening in this club and get knowledgeable football people looking after the premier league team and do not hesitate in firing people, who he pays large sums of money too, that are not only not performing to the standards required, but do not have the knowledge to change it around.

We have lost to teams whose managers seem to have their players playing to an organized system, with enthusiasm and energy that Everton, players do not seem to be able to compete with. ?

We are supposed to have the best training facilities at F.F. best medical people best fitness trainers yet we seem second best in speed and energy playing away from home that is also creeping into the home games.

I am 79 this weekend and started watching Everton in 1952 and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly but it is a while since I have seen anything this bad with the type of players we have bought.

Leicester won the league not so long ago and I believe it was the manager, who got the best out of the players he had, that done it. M.Silva does not appear to be capable of getting the best out of his players and that is another reason why he should go.

Please, please, just stop it with the Rafa shouts.

He's NOT coming to Everton. If he comes to Everton, and I swear to the Almighty on my Mum's soul I'll do this - I will fly to Liverpool, hammer 3 beers in about 2 minutes, strip naked, and run through your city center.

Swear to God, I'll do it.

Rafa ain't coming. The above would cost me thousands of dollars, and I swear to God I'll spend the money and do it.

Mikel Arteta, Nagelsmann, Marsh, some diamond from Brands

Just shut the freak up about Rafa. Delusional.

David Unsworth????????

Anyone remember the 4-1 drubbing by Soton? A performance so bad that Joe Royle had to come down and console Unsie on the touchline during the match.

The performance that got Farhad Moshiri shitting Sam Allardyce pounds in panic.

Seriously Unsworth????

When Sigurdsson is selected in this formation we lose a midfielder and gain a no10 in no mans land who doesnt influence the game in any way.

The fact that we are light in the midfield then means we never have any composure or control of the game to play any accurate meaningful balls forward.

The fact that we are light in midfield means our wide players are always out of position to use theie pace and mount attacks on the opposition full backs.

Sticking with the same, completely ineffective system and formation is fatal flaw for Marco Silva

Fucking Burnley. You gotta be fuckin' kidding me.

Cheers.

But hey lets give him more time.

Rob #330, personally I didn't expect Unsworth to turn us around in 2017, and I'm not sure anyone did. He's a youth coach. Virtually no senior manager experience. I saw zero improvement in the club in those 8 games and was relieved when it was over. If that's unfair, so be it.

Eric and Dave, yep, that final win over Hammers was outstanding, and of course Fat Sam's conduct was despicable, but that's who Fat Sam is. But none of that makes Rhino a Prem manager.

Moshiri likes setting fire to money as much as the rest of us do. That terrible drubbing had him going cap in hand to Sam who negotiated a massive wedge to take us to safety.

Unsworth marked his own cards with his stint in charge. He'll have to succeed elsewhere to get the managers job here at Goodison and he refuses to leave and gain experience elsewhere.

You admit you didn't see the game and so can't comment on it, but then you do just that by scapegoating Sigurdson and Sigurdson alone. That's unjust. Our problems do not lie with the selection or non-selection of one single player.

I'll offer you an example of what I mean from the corresponding fixture last season when we romped home 5-1 away to Burnley.

All season you kept repeating that Gana Gueye was a liability. That he was NOT a Marco Silva player. In the post-match thread that day you claimed the singular difference was the absence of said Gana Gueye (recovering from injury - he came on as sub in the last 15 minutes of the game) and claimed it was proof positive that HE was the element most responsible for the poor results in December following the loss at Anfield.

Once again, a very unjust claim. I wasn't alone in pointing out to you that Gueye was also absent in the previous game at home to Spurs in which we got thumped 6-2 as the visitors run riot against our porous midfield.

You continued to belittle Gana Gueye's contribution for pretty much the entire season, even offering to put up photo evidence from games as 'proof' of the 'indisciplined positioning' you accused him of. I wasn't alone in repeatedly challenging your claims, rather recognizing how vital he was in how Silva wanted Everton to play. This was also recognized by his fellow professionals when both he and Digne shared the players' player of the year award at the end of the season.

Bizarrely, given your unabated criticism of Gueye, this very season you recently labelled Gana as one of many players Silva 'improved', also acknowledging he hasn't been adequately replaced.

Now like you Steve, I know Silva from his work in Portugal where he demonstrated he can get results and performances from his teams. But unlike you, at the time he was being recruited, I expressed my concerns (as did many others) over his record in the Premier League and in particular two aspects of his tenures at both Hull and Watford:

1) The lengthy hot and cold spells of winning and losing and showing little capability in halting the latter

2) His defensive record and goals conceded, particularly from dead ball situations

Your claims in this thread, that:

"It's still only 8 games and he can still turn things around..."

"I bet Silva would rather we signed Haller than Kean and had we done so, I think we'd be much higher up the table..."

"He's far too good a manager and coach not to [turn things around]..."

...are, IMO Steve, based more on wishful thinking on your part in hoping beyond hope that your unrelenting claims about Silva will be realised and that you will be proven right.

The overwhelming evidence this season is to the contrary.

Everton, for the opposition, is an easy play: keep your shape, do the basics right, put the ball in the right areas from dead ball situations around their penalty area and you will win. Get the first goal, and you certainly won't lose.

Teams are not having to play at a high level, skillwise, tactically, intensity, to beat us.

And that failing befalls to one man in particular: Marco Silva.

Had we kept Ron until after the Europa games, then gave Unsworth the job, then he may well have picked up a better win rate.

People are asking for some of the youngsters a chance, Unsworth did that in the dead rubber games, let’s not forget 3 of his first 4 games were away games.

Yes we were poor against Southampton, but played well against West Ham, but he gave a lot of the kids a run out in the dead rubber Europa games, to get valuable first team action.

A bit unfair to judge the guy on those Europa games, and one bad performance at Southampton.

Now I am not calling for Unsworth to take charge, I just think we panicked too early and brought Sam in, without Unsworth getting a bit more time, to work with the players he had been given from our previous managers.

Like I say, we gave Unsworth the job 3 games too early and not long enough afterwards.

Every manager we recruit is a gamble, none of which would be a bigger gamble than keeping Silva.

He must go. Sooner the better.

Most Evertonians will know that our entire defence was decimated through injury and that even the ones who played were carrying injuries. Those who didnt know it at the time would have read Keanes account recently. He himself played with a horrific injury Sadly some havent got a clue.

I also think most Evertonians would know Royle didnt have to come down at all. He couldnt change anything, but he was Rhino's assistant and clearly knew the circumstances and spoke to him as he did in all their matches together. . . I say most Evertonians, but there will always be the odd one

We're so bad, and our situation is so desperate, that if we're going to change the manager we need to go for someone who will at least try to turn things completely upside down and bring us out of our 30-50 year coma. Marsch may be deranged enough to give it a serious go.

As for who Brands chooses. Definitely not Benitez, definitely not Mourinho. If it’s unsworth for a spell then that’s because Brands has worked closely with him and has confidence he can get more out of the players than silva right now.

Long term, the next manager will be someone just like silva. You know this for sure because Brands told us so on his first interview. The system and the team will be the same, just the head coach will change. So, if you want a change then bear this in mind and don’t be expecting something radically different.

It’s not fifa on the PlayStation. We’re not swapping out a player for a new player who is better at fifa and will make all the players better instantly.

This explains why things have been worse with all managers post Moyes with funds from Moshiri.

The one constant is Kenwright.

I had a friend who worked at the club who said it's not run well, more like a medieval kingdom with King Kenwright than a professional business operation.

I am turning my back on the club and will not come back until he's gone.

He has taken the joy out of following the club I love.

I totally agree with your opinion. What I seen today was a side that was not motivated or coached prior to this match.

Fundamental errors of not getting in front of the man appeared all over the pitch. Everton where just not fit enough. Burnley where a lot fitter. There was no pressure on the ball anywhere on the pitch by Everton. Good players where playing the ball as they had been coached from schoolboys days and no-one was there to receive the ball, they where way behind the intercepting defender.

Burnley did not 'set up shop ' they where allowed to p!ay as they liked and even where given second changeable , it didn't work out. The Burnley runner to the Everton back post was unmarked throughout the game. Burnley could have had a tea break, they had it that easy. They are not even a good team. Only Delph and Iowbi put a effort in

Whatever is happening at Finch Farm is certainly nothing like what is required for a team preparing to play a game in the Premier League.

Either Silva as given up on them or they have given up on him. Any Manager coming in would only be a sticking plaster, as you say, if nothing is done to sort out Finch Farm and the hierarchy that it supporting it. .

I'd clearly disgarded the dead rubbers and was referring to the EPL. You are now snatching at straws.

Let me remind you; The damage was already done in the Europa cup before Unsworth. We were fighting relegation so the EPL was the only thing that mattered. Dead rubbers didnt.

Unsworth took over from Martinez and had the old lady bouncing within minutes. . it had been a morgue all season.
He also took over from Koeman and did exactly the same. . The morgue saw life and the place was rocking. His team then twatted West Ham too - Again the place was rocking

100% home record, a rocking old lady and a feast of goals.
Twist and turn all you want with your worthless stats. . those facts alone blow them out of the park.

Btw Mike. I`m still waiting for you to come back with the name of the Everton manager with better points per game ratio than Unsworth. Those a re stats I WOULD like to see

The forums would be a nicer place if you did

Luis Boa Morte arrived as assistant in June this year, could he be part of the problem? I mean could it have made this much difference?

I think it's time for Eddie Howe to have a go, if he wants to!

But this fella doesn't have a clue. Even if we were suddenly to go on a winning streak, what would make it worth keeping him?

- Pretty clear there's no work on set pieces - our clear Achilles heel.
- Keeps picking Schneiderlin when our build up is so slow
- Insists on playing out through Mina and Keane - two of the worst passers of a ball at the club
- Never changes tactics - despite them not working
- Subs are robotic. Load up on attackers if we're losing, load up on defenders if we're winning.
- Can't get the team up for games

What's the point of him? The saddest bit about this is that I'm back in the position of wanting almost anyone else. And that's not NSNO.

The last thing we need is any stupid moves like bringing Unsworth back in.

The club and particularly Brands if he is as good as everyone keeps telling me should have a list of managers to sound out now about taking over the role.

This is the time Brands will really show us if he is the driving force that us long suffering fans can get behind or whether he was another false dawn.

I was lukewarm about Silva. A streaky manager whose poor streaks were longer than the good ones. I thought he might fare better with better players and the relatively stable environment at Everton.

We don't score goals, we ship them at set pieces, just like his previous teams. There's no pattern of play that suggests the good times are coming. The team is brittle, lacking nous, imagination and energy.

I ran a course in Burnley this week. I know the group well. One guy said straight away he thought Silva had lost the players. None of them could believe how slow and dull we are. They can't understand why Kean is on the bench.

I don't have a PlayStation I don't pore over statistics. I know very little about European football & it's managers.

I have got eyes. Eyes that can see a team devoid of spirit, energy and creativity. A team that doesn't come from behind. A team that went missing for two months last season. A team that has an appalling points and goals total considering our starting fixtures. And this in a team with good players.

Teams often resemble their managers. Our team is dull, with no adventure, no inagination, little conviction, and the personality of a stick insect in regression therapy.

My eyes tell me his time is up.

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that it has been a lot longer than three years.

Your comment on implies that Brands picks the tactics, team and formation and Silva simply trains the players. I don’t believe that but if it’s it true then he can do one too

So we are stuck with mercenaries who bleed us dry and give fuck all back in return. Silva hasn't got a hope with this show of selfish bastards.

I don't see it. Brands is about the only hope we have at the moment. He's not daft and can see the same as the rest of us that whatever Marco is doing isn't and will never work.

Marco is toast Steve, get over it.

I was in Bucharest after that game and never have I suffered such ridicule.

It’s a business and I'm sure soon these so called decent sponsorship deals will be shut and they’ll opt for an early termination at cost, sooner than later.

This is not football it’s fekkn weekly and seasonal humiliation. I’m not blaming Marco Silva at all for failings, that were terrible, before his reign in charge, but the facts of his reign in charge, are now more than enough, to show, that it’s a farce.

The Carry on Films, were great for a laugh, but sadly Everton FC, is on par, in the wrong way, of the way it is, now a ghost of a far distant successful past.

It’s not a case of cruel to be kind, it’s a case of out classed and there’s big questions about the whole coaching system, at Everton starting at Finch Farm.

I can’t get the lack of belief, guts and spine, at this time, there’s no pride and no care, and this Everton, is fast loosing its soul.

As Einstein said, and has been quoted and referenced often...

But now EFC will sink with out trace, or struggle to survive.?

The recovery will happen but with a fresh ethos, code, structure and management.

Marco Silva, I wanted you to succeed, but alas this has not happened. No where near and the club, has to act at the best interest of the club.

Two weeks to the next game, I sense, 10 games, at most before any board decision, if we carry on this poor form, but at this rate we face another rotten season,over almost before the autumn, started.

Sounds familiar?

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I watched an interview with Ed Rensi yesterday, the guy who started out at the bottom with McDonalds and rose to become president and CEO. His advice was to always try to get your boss promoted. Everton's players look like they are trying to get their boss fired.

Sorry Steve F, you've been wrong about so much that I'm now pretty much inclined to believe the opposite of everything you assert on here. I note you neglected to reply to any of the well made points our Brazilian correspondent directed at you. Instead you just returned to form asserting things that you have absolutely zero proof or evidence for. Give it a rest lad. When you're in a hole just stop digging.

We cannot continue with 4-2-3-1. We cannot continue with Schneiderlin and Gylfi in the same team. Sidibe must start instead of Coleman even after the latter's ban ends. We must pick a front 3 on a consistent basis so they develop an understanding. Stop the random chop and changes.

If Silva is booted out (and I don't think he will be, unless we are bottom 5 come January and out of both cups), Unsy would be my pick...**puts on tin helmet**.

Unsy has shown before with selections that he was prepared to take risks, drop favourites and change formation.

Yes, his record was not a ringing endorsement. But he had 8 games managing a squad was so pathetic it took Allardyce's anti-football to secure us 49 points.

Unsworth's reign saw us score goals. His problem was a woeful back 4. Martina at LB, Williams/ageing Jags at CB. An injured Keane. Kenny deputising at FB. Mirallas and Lennon started against Southampton. Klassen and Sandro played against Atalanta where Williams lost his head. Oumar Niasse was the match saving hero against Watford.

Allardyce set up his anti football low block and, for a period on January, we were so woeful I did think we would be relegated. To his credit results turned around but towards the season's end we petered out again.

This squad is miles better than it was in 2017/2018 and is clearly underperforming.

Unsy will do better with this team than he did before and, in my book, do better with this young squad than Silva.

He will not however get another go as I think Moshiri will stick by Silva.

Just a hunch.

The side puts in another abject performance, the manager says sorry but is incapable of changing his ways and carries on as before. The players are trotted out to say they can't wait for the next match so they can put things right and show us how much they really love us but, in reality, they couldn't give a toss.

We believe them and, over the following week, build up our hopes that they really mean it only to suffer another kicking come the weekend.

I really do feel mentally trashed week in, week out.

The only real remedy is to get rid of the perpetrator, in this instance, one Marcel Silva.

Fuck me! Watching this shite? I think I would prefer to follow Opus Dei and have a crown of thorns taut tight around my bollox than watch this shite every week!

The results though are both the same, painful and nut numbing and forever life-changing. Watching Everton for 50 years has brought nothing but unimaginable pain, and like addicts we come back for more.

I am sick of the bollocks and hope that we are fed every season, I’ve had enough of watching so-called professionals unable to perform the basics that any kid playing in the street can do with their eyes closed, sick of con men and pan handlers running the club impersonating businessmen.

Had enough of being fed shite: “I ya know yer history” — the myth that is Everton! All on DVD, no doubt.

The perennial conning of the fans, bidding for players we have no chance of ever getting, selling our best players at the drop of a hat — in fact, the whole amateur approach to everything we do or touch.

We are now more geared up to handing out food to the homeless or looking after the mentally ill — instead of producing entertaining football. Maybe after today's performance EITC should set up a suicide hot line for all of us who have given up hope?

No doubt another Everton first, in fact... we could stick that on the timeline wrapped around Goodison Park.

Could be interesting for Brands as he has a similar pressing style to Silva; as Steve F alluded to Brands is on record as saying he will maintain a continuity of style.

Hutter likes to play 3 at the back though which may not suit our squad currently.

If Unsworth falls on his arse put him back with the U 23s and go all out for Nagelsmann and pay him mega bucks as he's the best young coach in world football IMO.

There's a very reasonable chance that both yourself and our Spanish friend from the other side will soon be back in the City of Liverpool at the same time.

And as the Spanish say, one of you will be "Desnudo" and attracting the attention of the local constabulary, the other will be pulling a blue shirt over his plump jowels for the first time with a smile on his face.

Silva has to go now.

Who comes in.???

Me,who ever aint going to win the league,probably not get in top sux.
Moyes ??
Who ever is going to need weeks,games,we are going to lose games while a new manager sorts the team out.
Difficult,Silva stays keepscus up.

Then sack him,its his mess but he wont get us into champions league, qin league,FA Cup.
It was Sousa all.along.

I heard Dixon and Adams both say Wenger was not a training ground tracksuit coach or in Adams case not a coach at all. If anything it sounds like his role was more akin to Marcel Brands other than picking the team. If Brands stays that wouldn’t seem to fit our model

Don't forget - Moshri had his "shares" in Arsenal as a "gift" from Usmanov. Moshri then sold his shares in Arsenal to buy shares in Everton.

Later, Usmanov finally sold his shares in Arsenal - but not before he agreed via his company "USM", to "sponsor" the Everton training ground as "USM Finch Farm".

I honestly believe that there is a lot more to come in this story - but I also believe that, to paraphrase Churchill, for Silva, "This may not be the end of the beginning, but it could be the beginning of the end.".

I live near Pinner in Middlesex and it is very well served with charity shops. I picked up Crouch's book for 99p last month (I know, I know, but he's quite self- deprecating, fairly amusing, and far from the worst of them).

He pointed out that some teams play better away and added: "Away supporters are different. You don’t travel all that way to boo your own team."

The comments on here about the sack chants today are a yet another indication as to how much trouble Silva is in.

Steve, I wouldn't be so sure the next manager will be just like Silva.

They may well be looking for a manager with a proven history (Benitez?) who's capable of digging himself out of the kind of hole Silva now finds himself in.

Silva may well be young, ambitious and open to Brands guidance, but he doesn't have the ability to put a winning team on the pitch or correct things when the go wrong.

We can't afford a repeat of this next season, tempers a really beginning to fly whithin the fan base, I have a feeling the next manager will have a fair bit more experience than the Silva types.

Mike#346, a dead rubber refers to a game that counts for nothing. Specifically, in the case of our home match against Atalanta, we were already out of the Europa Cup before it started. But at 80 minutes, at 1-2 down, the players were trying their hearts out to score an equaliser. We conceded a third on the break, then the wheels came off and two more went in, as can happen.

But the players were motivated, in my opinion battling for the club and for David Unsworth. You have consistently told me he is not a Premier League manager. Do you say the same about Chris Wilder, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe? I have no idea whether Unsworth could do the job, nobody does, but I would sooner see him given the task until the end of the season than the current joker in charge.

I still feel he would do a job and put the correct foundations in place for us for a couple of years with a “younger” understudy to take over - after all, we have become a laughing stock so any improvement is progress

Surely Brands has been searching for a replacement for quite some time as Silva's demise has unfolded, it would be very unprofessional of him if he hasn't got this under control. The signs have been there since the shambolic pre-season games, the worst I can ever remember, in 60 odd years of supporting the blues, and it has flowed into this season's campaign.

Steve didn"t see the game, but he is right that Brands has a say at Finch Farm, but not in coaching or selection.

The problem I see with replacing Silva is that Moshiri/Brands project is only in its second year and while there has been changes, there is a lot more to done, and they are not all to do with the Manager. So if the project is a long term one, what happens if things don't go to plan, because of resistance to changes.

If change cannot be achieved, what is the point of those involved continuing to work on the Everton Project , and I am not talking about Silva. Brands springs to mind. What happens if Moshiri decides the Everton are not going to fulfil his objectives?. What the point of building a Stadium? All Moshiri has to do is pay of Kenwright and sell the Club without the conditions he was faced with, at a certain considerably higher price.

The problems are deeper than Silva and there are limits on what those who formulated the p!an, will accept from Everton.

I agree the next Manager will be similar to Silva as Steve says.

False dawn number 51. False dawn number 52 is on hold, along with it seems BMD.

Get some new ideas from your gurus Mr Moshiri, I'm sure BPB and Jim Whyte can sort it for you.

You couldn't run a 'king whelk stall and you couldn't give this club away in a lucky bag.

How to make £500M - start with a billion and buy Everton.

See you in Speke lads - if we're lucky.

And the International break can fuck right off too.

I voted right away in the poll, but 3 more games will do while a replacement is sourced...a decent one, one without a relegation on his CV

The West Ham match will be aloud with negative words and old and new protests in some form. Why does it take the fans to give up their club tickets rather than the sense off the board?

I hope this would help with my Everton and its following supporters and reward the Club with a new lift. The worry is too great and un-sportsmanship of being laughed at is not the main concern. 😆

If Silva goes Monday, Unsworth as caretaker should get at least until New Year, how much worse can he be than Silva?

Yes I would agree, about ten years in Walton should do the trick!

It is verging on criminality what he has done to our beloved team, the man who is receiving a Lottery Win every week in wages, simply hasn't got a clue, and is totally out of his depth. I have no sympathy whatsoever for this pathetic individual, who has got the job under false pretences.

Who, head-hunted this prick?

Get him as far away from Everton, as could be geographically possible, with NO COMPENSATION FOR ABJECT FAILURE!

You mention the dangers of mob-mentality, and assert that Brands will make his own decision about Silva. This is all guesswork, but you present it as fact. Who knows what will influence Brands - if indeed it is Brands alone who will decide Silva’s fate - but I should think that factors including fan opinion, form, player opinion, Kenwright and Moshiri will all provide some sort of context for him.

It’s becoming clear to me why you’re such a fan of Silva; you and he both seem to share the belief that the secret to footballing success is tactical analysis above all other things. You mention the notion of other people playing FIFA, but I think you’ve been playing Championship Manager on here for years. Success is won out on the pitch, not on the training ground and not in tactics sessions. You can do all the theory you like, but if you cannot inspire your team to bring it onto the pitch - alongside fitness, sharpness, confidence, freedom of expression, tenacity, passion, hunger, spirit, desire, courage - then you are not a top manager, and you should not be managing Everton Football Club.

I’m sorry to have a go Steve - you are clearly a massive fan of the club and of football itself - but I really think you’ve got Silva wrong, and I hope he’s gone as soon as possible.

Failure to act now could have disastrous consequences!

Silva is only part of the problem and possibly is the victim of other perpetrators. Changing Silva will not solve the whole problem.

Silva is a Manager that tried his best and to some extent what Steve has said is right. The problems are deeper that you think.

Didn’t know you’re from West of Ireland. Whereabouts? My mums people are Mayo and Galway folk

I thought I was the only one. Sadly I echo your sentiments.

Choose 11 players who become more than the sum of their parts.

Whatever the club, get the players fighting above their weight. Making it the norm.

At the moment the opposite is happening at our club. We have quality players and they are being outmaneuvered every week by smaller clubs with lesser players. Their managers are making these players more than the sum of their parts. Through training, drills, formations - systems and motivation that suit the players at their disposal.

Our manager is just not achieving this, and if it looked like he had a chance of turning it around I would back him to do so. But today told me he has no chance of doing it. It was a massive game and it was an insipid and sterile performance against a worse team who were better organised and never looked under threat throughout the game.

The evidence is now damning that Marco Silva hasn't got a clue how to set up an effective team or motivate them. Maybe he is suffering the loss of Joao Pedro Sousa and is not in harmony with Boa Morte, but unfortunately it doesn't matter. Everton need points and the fans need hope for the future.

Right now there is nothing but grave concern at the level of our performances against an array of lesser teams. Even more worryingly, there is no sign of any idea from the manager as to how to fix it.

Moshiri will be distraught that he has to weigh up whether to back or sack yet again. I reckon he just wants a quiet life. He will be loathed to go through it all again, especially as he thought the ship had been steadied.

He'll be thinking what's the best gamble ?

1Sacking 2Backing 3 Bury head in the sand, wait and hope for an upturn

He should be bold and go for 1, but I fear he will go for 3. In the meantime he better start on some covert contingency planning as defeat at home against West Ham and there will be universal outright rebellion at the status quo and Farhad's hand will be forced.

Silva's best wasn't really that good, it's become an easy decision for me.

I agree. I never said he was the whole problem.

“Silva is a Manager that tried his best and to some extent what Steve has said is right.”

Tried his best? If we have indeed seen his best then we should get shot immediately.

“The problems are deeper that (than) you think.”

So you know what I think now to you? Come on... I’m well aware that getting our first team to play consistently good football and compete for trophies is not an easy transition for any management team to make, but if we know we currently have a manager who is nowhere close to achieving it, shouldn’t we look elsewhere immediately?

Evertons best has been way below what is required in the Premier League, even before Silva. Silva is only part of the problem. There are others besides Silva responsible for that performance today.

The last game with Unsworth we looked pretty good. That does not count? Only the bad games count?

Silva is getting us absolutely nowhere but backwards. Right now I am happy with almost any other manager. But I don't want Benitez, Wenger and Moyes.

To get on we have to selfish, we've had enough and when our super loyal away support turns, it's time.

We lost Jagielka and Zouma but didn't buy a centre-back.

Brands and Silva???

If I could look into a crystal ball and see Benitez would be good for us; would you still say no to him?

Lol I forgot Digne he was actually near the top of my list but I forgot him as I debated including McCarthy

If he started as caretaker and put together a decent run between now and Christmas, you wouldn't want to keep him until the end of the season at least?

Happy wife, happy life!

Maybe you’ll get a Dickensian happy ending and discover you’re Usmanovs heir

Unsworth should be appointed caretaker until the new manager is in place, hopefully in time for the West Ham game.

Depressingly the headlines appear to be about Pochettino saving his job at Spurs, whilst Moyes is the bookies' favourite to replace Silva. We really are a laughing stock.

I like Moshiri but I think he needs to start going with his highly successful gut rather than listening to second-rate Evertonians like Kenwright. Fuck me, we have given our previous two incumbents £20 million which is Ancelloti's salary for 3 years. It will cost us another £10M for Marco. Give the chosen one a bell.

Fuck me, it can't get any worse.

Do you think Lampard and Gerrard are more qualified than Unsworth???

One reason that I do not think that Silva is the right man is from his interviews. Leaders need to be inspiring and able to get the absolute best out of every player in order to have them play as a team. It actually pains me to listen to him after games. I only do it because I need to know what it is that annoys me.

Very simple. He turns me off rather than on; if the players also feel like that, then how can anyone expect them to perform on the field?,I just cannot imagine him being in any way successful at running a practice session. I would admire him far more if he just resigned... Please do!!!

If Silva is sacked, and he definitely should be, then all the coaching staff needs sacking too. Since Ferguson came in we've been totally shit.

I don't know who should replace Silva; that's not my job. My job is to support the team, and I will not be doing that if the club brings in Moyes, or gives Unsworth the job any more than in a caretaker role. Moyes is a football dinosaur who should have gone in 2008, and can anyone really envisage a quality player on the market choosing to play for Unsworth?

What other team in the Premier League have successfully promoted an Under-23 coach in this way? If Solskjaer gets the boot at Man Utd, do you think they'd consider Neil Wood? If Spurs ditch Pochettino would they go for Wayne Burnet? (Yes, I have had to look both up, which proves a fuckin point...)

Aren't we sick of the old boys club at Everton? Let's move on and start acting like a proper big club for once. Let's get a manager with a track record of winning at a decent level and let's stop pissing about with ‘one for the future' punts. It has got this club nowhere in over 30 years.

As it stands right now, they are top of the league – 1 point ahead of Benfica. We get Boa Morte. Not saying that Sousa was the difference, but... ?

But it will take a manager in the vein of charismatic, proven! Coach, people manager, tactician, etc.. they don’t exist, but a Marco Silva Mk2, won’t, happen.

Surely Marcel will live and learn, and hopefully the club will grow shoots of recovery.

That’s the hope, and it’s no disgrace but to say Marco Silca, tried valiantly but failed.

I think think loosing his no2, preseason, has been a massive blow, for which he cant recover,

Something got lost and won’t be found, and so the game and life moves on.

Who next,to take the poison chalice, as it will take a radical management team, to turn Everton around?

Let# hope deliverance, is soon.

Last night on Optus Sport the co-commentator was saying he ‘came in on massive money' and ‘needs to start scoring goals'. Today I've read someone saying that the reckon Silva will be rueing not signing Haller instead.

Of all the very obvious failings we have, I personally find it really quite pathetic that anyone would look to apportion any blame on Kean. I know he's a multi-millionaire teenager that doesn't need my sympathy... but can we give the kid a fucking fair go before slaughtering him?

The only thing that turns these guys on is big dough and right now Allegri and Mourinho (two serial trophy winners) are unemployed. So the question is: How hungry are they? And then, how hungry are our board?

Hard to tell what if anything Marcel Brands will do. His transfer window dealings for Everton seemed to be mostly last-minute signings. Hope he's not going to be a dithering Marcel if Silva continues to implode.

But it will take a manager in the vein of charismatic, proven! Coach, people manager, tactician, etc.. they don’t exist, but a Marco Silva Mk2, won’t, happen.

Surely Marcel will live and learn, and hopefully the club will grow shoots of rec

That’s the hope, and it’s no disgrace but to say Marco Silca, tried valiantly but failed.

I think think loosing his no2, preseason, has been a massive blow, for which he cant recover,

Something got lost and won’t be found, and so the game and life moves on.

Who next,to take the poison chalice, as it will take a radical management team, to turn Everton around?

Let# hope deliverance, is soon.

But it will take a remarkable human being to turn the mind set of Everton and who ever becomes coach, must surely do some homework before taking this job?

We lie in this shadow of Old Nick, and fate, fair and luck every week, rides out with the RS.

They’d win the equivalent of the footy oscars for cheating, diving and feigning every month, every year.

They ain’t the best team but they play the percentage game and get more breaks in a month, than Everton gets in a year.

Why?

It’s a long term project and nigh on 35 years of neglect and dereliction, can’t be turned around in a few years.

The massive investment and abject failure to even close the gap, since a Farhad took over says it all.

How many teams, have spent so much and have a net, marketing, supporter advocacy, feel good factor, believe in hope, in the near future, like Everton?

It’s a killer?

The top manager names won’t entertain GP, even if bankrolled.

Massive few weeks ahead, for a Evertonians.

The whole club has been “Arthur Fleck” since Howard went to Bilbao: I’d prefer that we go Heath Ledger Joker, at least he accomplished something; albeit his ferry across the Mersey bomb blot didn’t pan out

I’d go for Rhino, personally.
With Bellew as Assistant M, Hand-of-the-King.

That's not the worst shout. I could see that.

Beats yelling for Rafa by a mile for me.

This Moise Kean thing, seemingly starting to come under a little criticism...

If you're in a system where the ball is continually played wide, like all the time, with no cutting passes in the middle of the pitch, isn't that a pretty difficult environment to succeed in if you're a striker?

On top of that, throw in the fact you get tossed on the pitch as a 19 year old in that system, just about every time in a losing position, and everyone's looking for you to get that all-important tying goal?

Nah. Give that poor kid a break already.

We have a manager who -

- continually plays Schneiderlin who kills everything moving forward

- has lost his philosophy of moving the ball up the pitch quickly, we're slow as fuck

- plays the same players in the midst of a losing streak

- wouldn't mix his tactics up if you held a gun to his head

- plays everything out wide and doesn't use our actual superior talent, relying on crosses against inferior opposition, which the opposition just loves as they clear the ball from danger with ease; playing right into their hands

- insists on Mina and Keane playing the ball forward from the back, instead of getting Delph, Gomes, whoever, the ball in a deeper position to start attacks

- insists on a zonal marking system that is killing us, and doesn't change

- takes our young talent and benches or transfers them

- insists on playing a system that completely negates the purpose of having a #10

- plays an aging, out of form player at the 10, and wouldn't insert a creative player in that position if faced with contracting Bubonic Plague

- literally throws shit on the wall to see what will stick with his substitutions

- takes our 19 year old Italian phenom and promptly doesn't start him, only inserting him in the game when behind and asking the poor boy to become Jesus and save his bacon

- is responsible for a completely flaccid team, devoid of scoring opportunities and only creating half-chances

- keeps inserting an MLS player in Theo Walcott into the side, believing he's the answer to our problems

- Has had millions spent, and spent well I might add, to improve the squad, but can't get them winning

If the away supporters are chanting his demise, it's fucking time. Never mind all the above.

I've crossed the line. He's gotta go.

If I die before I wake, I pray the Lord, please Silva take.

Amen.

Ffs, the Italians are nobody's mugs, and this lad is considered good enough for Juve and the national team, and guess what? He scored goals for them.

In his first couple of games for us, he was on the field with Iwobi and I could see the two of them, even at that early stage in their Everton careers, seemed to link up well together. Silva of course, promptly broke up the fledgling partnership, probably because they were playing it forwards instead of side to side, thus disrupting the style of play of the rest of the team, who shall henceforth be known as Deadbeats Anonymous!

Just to add one small point to your second post. He signs a World Cup winning right back and then persists on playing Seamus, who we love, but can all see has lost a yard or so in pace and has never truly recovered from his terrible injury.

Gbamin is injured but if he wasn't would Silva have him as a regular starter?

In short, we brought in four potentially excellent players in the summer, in Kean, Iwobi, Sidibe and Gbamin, all of whom if played together could give us an exciting new look, and maybe we'd win a game or two.

As you rightly say, it's time to say goodbye to the biggest loser to hold the manager's chair for years.

The BBC website has just published a set of stats that prove Silva has a worse record with us than Big Sam.

We sit one place above the relegation zone. Even under Koeman, we never fell so low, and yet Moshiri pulled the trigger. What's stopping him doing the same to Silva who is only going to take us the same way as Hull City...down?

It's time to go, Senhor Silva.

What I seen during this match was dreadful. But the problem I seen is a lot bigger than Silva and I can't see any solutions being offered on this thread, other than those that are for wholesale changes at the Club, from top to bottom. Any Manager in these circumstances would end up eventually having the same problems as Silva.

We have seen this type of display before from Everton, with elementary mistakes and poor attitude and motivation, and a weekly unsupported Manager. It reflects a Club that has a core of bad Management, who are working against anyone who is trying to organise a team to prepare and perform in the Premier League.

I have seen this in business organisations, where the Management are detrimental to the conduct of good business and actually worked against it.

In Everton there are person's who are working against Silva ( who has worked hard and honestly) and anyone who is trying to work with him to achieve the necessary level of performance and progress in the Premier League. It would take that kind of shock to change the Club.

That's the real problem that has to addressed and whilst some posters have been right in highlighting the problem and suggested the solution, they have not actually said how it should be done. The answer is with great difficulty and definitely not overnight as many on here seem to think.

I have thought for years the solution opportunity was missed many years ago when Everton should, have been relegated ( it was speculated at the time that there was a payout) and the fan that kissed the centre spot at the end of the Wimbledon game, could have watched Everton start a fundamental and necessary rebuild throughout the Club, rather become a p!aything for those that subsequently took control of the Club.

Everton will survive again this season in the Premiership. They where careful this time to give themselves time and the merry go round wil! start all over again, till the inevitable next time, unless Moshiri and Brands do something fundamental to change the Club, or the next owner and Director of Football do.

The solution is not going to be as easy as sacking Silva, though he appears to being helped on his way and fed to the fans and media. Even that Roy Kean is in on the act to increase his management profile.

He has cleared out lots of deadwood and balanced the books in transfers.

But he has failed to get a striker. Keane is a forward and in my view is not going to make it in the premier league.

Failing to get a pacy centre back is the other major failing.

The transfer policy of the club is led by Brands and they should have bust a gut to spend £40m plus on both those players but are trying to shop in the sub £30m category which doesn't get you proven quality nowadays, they know this.

A cautionary tale. I'd back FM and MB in taking whatever action is necessary to keep us up. This shouldn't even be a concern of ours given the resources we have. Someone who understands football should be involved in selecting the next manager.

Where's your evidence that there are people at management level working against the club and Silva ? It sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
I think you over complicating what is basically wrong with Everton and that is we are not winning enough football matches and when that happens, after a reasonable period of time, usually you change the manager in the hope that it will improve your chances of doing just that.

Take Leicester as an example they where struggling just like we are now, under thier last manager Claude Puel last season, results were poor. They identified the right man for them and duly sacked Puel with the resulting upturn in form. Everton have no choice but to follow thier example, that's how football works. The owner has complete control over the management structure and has a duty to act quickly and not let things drift. Leaving the situation as it is risks a huge relegation battle, something I'm sure most of us don't need or want.

Rhino did not have the time to work with his players. He was thrown in at the deep end.
Unlike Allardyce, Koeman, Silva, Moyes and Smith he did not get a transfer window to work in. He was allowed to spend nothing and quite literally had to go with what he had

What he did inherit was a injury racked squad who had just been mauled at home by Arsenal and were actually in a worse position than we are now (18th).

You, like a lot on here base your opinion on perception and stats, but you have to take the facts into consideration too. Unsworth did not get us into that mess. He got us out of it.
His experience is limited, but his 50% win ratio in the Premier league is vastly superior to the failures mentioned above.

For two hundred years the Yanks and ourselves have introduced each other to so many wonderful things . . but I wish to fuck you'd kept your Logic defying obsession with sporting stats to yourselves.

If you're not going to play a number 10 then don't pick Sigurdsson.

If you're going to rely on getting wide and crossing the ball then you need something in the middle. It can't just be DCL on his own. And you need wide players who have the ability to deliver a decent cross.

Nothing that Silva is doing makes sense. It's really basic stuff. Even losing games isn't making him think it through.

I don't really want Unsworth but he can't be worse. Give him the season and see what happens.

Has he not walked yet!?!

Come on Moshiri, grow a pair, get rid of the useless waste of space now, and give whoever steps in a couple of weeks to try and get a tune out of the players available.

That's something wrong in the club, and cannot be a coincidence, but the crazy thing is there's a large proportion of fans that don't want players of this caliber playing at the club because of some perceived attitude or arrogance. I tell ya what, I'd rather win the league with Royston Drenthe turning up to training drunk (extreme example) than a team of Tony Hibberts or Phil Jagielkas whose life goal is to not upset anyone.

Darren Hind, 496, you do see the irony of criticising the use of stats over facts and then championing Unsworth's 50% win rate in the Premier League, right?

That's something wrong in the club, and cannot be a coincidence, but the crazy thing is there's a large proportion of fans that don't want players of this caliber playing at the club because of some perceived attitude or arrogance. I tell ya what, I'd rather win the league with Royston Drenthe turning up to training drunk (extreme example) than a team of Tony Hibberts or Phil Jagielkas whose life goal is to not upset anyone.

Darren Hind, 496, you do see the irony of criticising the use of stats over facts and then championing Unsworth's 50% win rate in the Premier League, right?

1. We won twice and conceded 20 times in the 8 games he was in charge which included the 5-1 humiliation by Atalanta at Goodison and 4-1 at St Mary's.

2. If we're talking about just leagues games then he had a respectable 40% win ratio however that's such a small sample size to compare to others that managed far more games.

3. I would hardly classify 5 points above the drop zone as steering us away from relegation.

We have a shit manager - as was entirely predictable from the man's record - and his performance is exactly in line with what anyone would have expected, no matter how much money he was given. We have a team of reasonable players, none of whom I could care less about. Seamus Coleman is the last of the players anyone could get behind, and since his broken leg he's not worth a place in the team.

In some ways, the most accurate indicator of my opinion is how often I look up ToffeeWeb. It used to be several times daily. Now it's once a week or so.

Still, at least I have the exciting International Break to look forward to!

Once the majority of a loyal fan base, become apathetic, it has to be the long awaited death knell for Silva. I don't agree with all this give him a bit longer, to see what he can do.

It is so evident that he is stubbornly reluctant to change anything, which is so obvious to all and sundry, that nothing is working as it should. Let's stop the rot and stop it now before it's too late.

The big question being, who do we get to positively steer us in the right direction?

I don't think it's all doom and gloom because we have the basics just need to bring it together. I don't think Silva is the man too do that.

I wont say this again.

Unsworth was not put in charge to get us back into a cup Koeman had gotten us knocked out of. Those games were irrelevant. The only good that could have come from them, was that the manager was able to try stuff he wouldnt dare do in the league. To all intents and purposes. The club had written off those games. Survival was the only show in town.

I laughed out loud at your little dig. Although I accept it as a fact. He did take us out of the drop zone, but as you quite rightly point out. He ONLY take us five points clear

Instead of quoting meaningless stats, you might want to get your facts (and your maths) straight.
He has been in charge of six premier league games. He has won three of them. . That, whether you want to contest it or not, is an irrefutable fact.

Roman Sidey

No irony at all. Percentages and Stats are two very different things. If you win three out of six it amounts to 50% - Thats a fact. I like to listen to other peoples opinion, but I like them to be based on either what they see, or facts and official records.

Fan-boy website stats don't mean a thing to me

"Moyes boys" at centre back were Jagielka and Distin, who were both better, stronger and quicker than Heitinga.

I understand, get and agree with your broader point about the mentality of the club. Its one I agree with. It has an inferiority complex, a loser mentality.

But the centre backs were just better than Heitinga. Heitinga was good sitting deep. Push up the pitch with a high line and forget it. He couldn't handle it. He got hooked at Wigan as he was getting ran all over the place by Kone ffs!

Moshiri makes the decisions but I'm sure he'd firstly take soundings from the board but, these days, that can be done online or by video link.

Just do it and end the agony.

That's the best post on here.

The majority of us want rid of Silva, based on previous experience from last season, the clubs current form and Silva's lack of willing to try anything different (formations or players).

What has passed under the radar (by many) has been the perfomance of those outrageously high paid spongers we call our team, yes they have to take some blame. Heads have gone down far too easily in adverse situations.

Any new manager has got problems with this team, there may well be an injection of "Energy" brought by the new manager, but the team will settle down after a period and it will be the same team again.

This implies Brands has to put his hand up and take some of the blame, Moshiri should stay the hell away and let Brands do his job. I can't blame Brands too much, I think Moshiri forced Silva onto him, also we're not yet a CL club and cannot attract the best players, Brands can only really buy from tier below and only those who'll come to us.

Brands now has to find the right man who is not a yes man and has the experience with the personality to do the job. Controversial and hated by some, but for the sake of the club and its future, If I was Brands I would be on the plane right now to China to talk to you know who.

So, I tend to agree with Steve that if Silva does go, whoever comes in after will have a similar footballing philosophy. I have no idea who that would be,but I assume a few on here, who follow world football closely, might. If Silva does leave, what extra talents would his replacement require, again assuming he plays a similar style? And is Brands as much at fault as Silva if we're under-performing after the investment made. Who chose the players?

We're still in the same up-and-down boat, no consistency in the team, one minute we're up... next we're back down.

We have a Number 9 who is Championship standard — and he is Everton's Number 9... pathetic!

I hope it's not so but watching us on the pitch I am bemused why Digne (and I'm not picking on him, just using him as an example), a fine crosser of the ball but usually to little positive end as a result of the inadequacy of our finishing, might now more or less be taking easy street with a little, but successful, accurate pass to a team-mate so he, the recipient, can take the risk of launching a cross (likely to be unsuccessful according to "the stats") and therefore damage his own standing to the stats fans, some of who seem to infest every club in the world IMHO.

A few years ago I said on here how Luke Garbutt (at least I think it was him) went on and on about how proud he was that Unsworth was eulogising his pass-completion rate. Nothing about excitement, chances created, goals scored, no, it was all about pass-completion rate to him (and maybe Unsworth too) and he was excellent at it. Wonder what became of him?

Maybe our expectations are too high, top 6 is a stretch, top 4 is bigger stretch again.
Moyes for his faults did very well in the league with limited resources, we were competitive with most teams except the usual suspects.
Maybe we should go back to playing football that gives us the best chance of success which every way that may be, the result has got to be our priority.
I'm not fussed how its achieved.

We as spectators are aware that we have not had a striker with a good scoring record since Lukaku left but we had the same problem last season and managed to score goals, and the 2 players that left were both defenders. What happened to Rich playing at the #9 spot he managed quite well and was even used by Brazil in the same spot.

From last season we lost Ghana and we have bought a player, who unfortunately is injured to replace him, but Delph should be capable enough to provide an alternative. Zouma left but in Mina we have a competent replacement so what as Silva done that tactically he has ruined the players he had last season.?

Who was the manager that was called the tinker man ? as he was always changing winning formations, because it appears Silva is trying the same only with a loosing formation. As spectators we don't like to see a managerial merry go round but on the other hand we don't believe there is any excuse to keep a person in a job that he proves on national TV he is not capable of doing what he is paid to do.

As has been stated on here we were given a reasonable start of fixtures that we should have took advantage to gain more points than we have, and now we are being sucked into a relegation battle area that is difficult to get out from as it brings in the fear factor, and lets not hear people saying we are to good to go down.

We as spectators can see the problems we are having on the pitch but cant do nothing about it. The question is why cant a coach, who is paid in the millions, has coaching certificates and assistants who are specialized for various positions on the pitch, do anything about solving the mistakes ?,

Marco Alexandre Saraiva da Silva (European Portuguese: [ˈmaɾku ˈsiɫvɐ]; born 12 July 1977) is a Portuguese retired footballer who played as a right back, and is the soon to be ex-manager of Premier League club Everton.

An achievement Unsworth only managed in 1 game during his second spell in charge. Would we have continued to climb based upon the ropey performances and incredible good fortune needed to take -anything- prior to the West Ham game if DU had remained in charge? I am not so sure.

And people still champion him. Tough. He aint coming back. he is the only man in football ever to be repeatedly sacked for being a miserable c..t.

And lets not forget. Like all his previous clubs. We still took severe hidings despite his cowardice

You say that you doubt Moshiri will be reluctant to sack him, as he is fed up with the Manager Merry Go Rounds. It is him or whoever is ill-advising him that has created these in the first place.

Good point regarding Silva's assistant JP Sousa, after he has gone the results the football and the appointment of Boa Morte has deteriorated into the worst displays we have seen from an Everton side, and not acceptable.

I just think the likes of Digne and others make a lot of simple passes because there's no movement inviting a more ambitious pass. If he was trying to massage the stats, he'd reduce the number of his crosses - these have become really poor.

Last season started with some promise went badly down hill but finished very encouragingly. I felt sure that we had a decent shot at top 5 this year.

The transfer window wasn’t great. We missed a lot of targets and ended up with no pacy CB and a striker who’ll take time to settle. Then we lost our new and only athletic midfielder. None of thats is Silva’s fault.

I do think we’ve been unlucky (some stats back up that we are under our xG) but equally he has been inflexible and reactive when the opposite was needed. The system seems to be faltering. Perhaps Joao Sousa was the real brains? His start at Familcao certainly suggests so. Something has gone wrong in the last 6 weeks or so and though there are some slightly mitigating factors they are not enough.

I think Brands and Moshiri will desperately want him to turn it around. I reckon he’ll get 2-4 more games to bag a few wins and get us up the table. If it’s still like this in November then they’ll have to act.

Koeman was sacked after 47 games, he got 69 points during that time.

Points for first 47 games:
Martinez 84
Moyes 72
Koeman 69
Silva 61 (46 games so far)

Average Points per game:
Moyes 1.5
Koeman 1.46
Martinez 1.44
Allardyce 1.41
Silva 1.32

Good morning.

I honestly don't blame the players at all. And that's a real indictment of Marco. I truly believe the players have the talent, and I truly believe they've, by and large, put in the effort.

Yesterday was the day I saw them quit on Silva's system.

But it is quantifiably the system and the tactics that are at work here, for me and any rate, not the players. Look at the players who have played, again in the main, well this season:

Mina, Delph, Gomes, Iwobe, Bernard, Digne, Coleman (I think so, that last one is a tad controversial, but just go with it).

Throw in Pickford and thats eight players playing decent, and we should be winning games.

Who's left? Who's playing poorly or not contributing?

Schneiderlin. Don't get me started. I'll only say Marco keeps picking him, and he's killing our ability to move the ball forward at all, never mind quickly.

DCL / Kean - Silva's "play it wide always" approach to football is castrating the strikers - both of whom are young and have shedloads of talent. In a different system, they flourish.

Sigurdsson - I can't fault his effort, so I won't bash him. But he's always chosen no matter what the form. Silva doesn't have that killer instinct of benching players to create competition for places, and raise the collective game. He just plays guys over and over again, and Sigurdsson is that guy who exemplifies this Silva shortcoming. AND, Silva's system just sucks eggs if you're a 10, and that's where Siggy plays, so connect those dots.

Richarlison - Just not as dynamic as he should be. I've no idea why, and I don't think in his case it's the system we play in. He's a conundrum for me.

BUT! In the end, this is a managerial and system problem, not a player one. Get me a coach who will utilize the talent at his disposal with this group, have them play actual, attacking football attempting to create goal-scoring opportunities, and watch our fortunes rise.

Brands has to pick the next manager, and he has to get it right. If we bring in the right guy, we will skyrocket up the table.

No sam is not coming back but we are kicking around at the bottom of the league and Newcastle win today we are in the bottom 3. That's ok Sam is not coming back. Unless we get some top four form we are done. Sam allardyce had a more credible CV to manage Everton than the current manager and previous managers.

Just take a moment, and let that sink in.

In a league that not only punishes, but decapitates poor form via relegation, ask yourself one question.

Is this acceptable?

Wield the axe, wield it now, and let's move forward.

No Sigurdsson and no Schneiderlin would help.

I'm constantly saying it, and I would pull Richarlison to right-back (wing-back).

The famous italian "system" that is being deployed for many years now would suite us.

NSNO? No System No Optimism now, Marco.

I believe the loyal travelling Blues made it verbally known to Brands, who was in attendance, exactly how they felt and what they wanted (Silva out) so I would imagine he will relay this to Moshiri.

Who I hope sets the wheels in motion during the International Break (yes another one) to pave the way for someone to release us from this persecution.

Should it be Moshiri who makes the decision, he's an accountant?

What should be happening is that Brands watches the situation after giving Silva all the support he could, maybe then talks to those he's always seeked advice from, he then weighs up the options and comes to the conclusion Silva has to go. At that point he communicates with Messrs Moshiri and Kenwright that he's letting Silva go and informs them he has a list of suitable replacements.

You'll notice I haven't even mentioned Denise Barret-Baxendale, what does she know about choosing a manager for success on the pitch?

Moshiri and Kenwright have given Brands the title DOF and they should leave the expert to his job. Especially so Moshiri who's got it wrong twice Keoman/Silva. Kenwright is by far more qualified than Moshiri to choose a manager, he got it right with Moyes and it was a decent attempt with Martinez.

They must leave it to Brands!!!

I know there's Kenwright, but with his track history, I would hope that he has little to do with anything in the way of selecting the next candidate.

I would imagine that Moshiri must have some say, as he is the owner/majority shareholder, and as you rightly said again Accountant. I am sure he has juggled the figures regarding what a complete clear-out and re-installation of whoever takes over.

The sad thing being that all this takes time, and the new guy will unlikely be an instant success, but surely he couldn't possibly be any worse than what we are being served up at present.

We need some strong decisive action from the top down.

I still get the impression there are a number of different factions at work within the corridors of power so Mosh needs to empty Kenwright and his entourage out and get some ambitious football people in.

If we have such ambition let’s not stop at replacing the coach let’s go and get some top “football” talent at all levels

Win percentage is a stat and while Unsworth's is good it can be misleading especially when it only covers 6 games in 2 different seasons. Just take his first game in charge - an utterly meaningless win on the last day of the season against a relegated Norwich.

Solksjaer is a perfect example. I think his percentage was 50% in the league before he became permanent but look at them now. What's it, 2 or 3 wins in 20 games?

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I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager; that's why the club employs a DoF.

The team manager reports to Brands so Brands is ultimately in charge. I would expect the board, and Moshiri, will confer with Brands (who is also on the board) before making any decision on Silva.

A potential problem would be Brands recommending patience but Moshiri ignoring him and dismissing Silva, anyway. Brands goes to all the games, home and away, so will be aware of exactly how inept Silva's match management is. Surely, he must be as exasperated as the rest of us. If he recommends no action, and nothing improves, then his own credibility is on the line.

Compared to the cost of buying players, and the financial rewards of placings payments in the PL, sacking a manager can actually be financially positive.

Some posters have said we cannot afford to keep sacking managers; I think we can't afford not to.

In our case, I reckon any half decent manager would propel this team up the League so any compensation, due to Silva, will probably be a lot less than we'd lose in placings payments by keeping him on.

Sigurdsson doesn't suddenly become a bad player. Iwobi or Bernard should now be given the 10 role while Sigurdsson should be moved to a deeper position, instead of the square passing Schneiderlin and the one-footed Delph. I know I'm repeating myself but they are easy fixes for Silva try during this awful run.

As for supporters wanting Unsworth, get real. How many youngsters have reached the first team under Unsworth since Sheedy left?

Please guys print this. Season ticket holder for over 40 years. Wrote with passion and knowledge. Thanks.

I wonder what he thinks now?

I'll jump out of a window.

When I read this quote, I was reminded of the old Arrigo Sacchi quote. "To be a jockey, I did not realise you had to have been a horse". He meant it ofcourse in the context of having no prior playing experience, but equally it could apply to having no previous managerial experience.

Thomas Tuchel, Julian Nagelsman, Florian Kohfeldt are pretty good examples of how Germany churns out very good managers. Appointed on the back of work done at youth level.

No, Unsy's lack of first team experience is absolutely no problem.

If he is going to face a problem, it's the strange desire to appoint a 'Big Name' has-been instead of him.

Benitez most recent work at Newcastle was a slightly less defensive version of Allardyce. Why would we want such a negative manager. Meanwhile Wenger is what, 70 years old?

Mourinho ? Please, spare me. Not only will he not come, but his inflated ego will dominate everything. At the first sniff of success - he will be off to a more glamorous club.

It's fine for me if Unsy misses out. But if the club is serious about achieving long term sustained success, we need someone with the talent and long term commitment, not one or the other.

Rafa ain't coming. Moyes, God forbid. Mourihno never.

And all three play a derivative of defensive, insipid, uninspiring football.

Darren Hind's recollection of Unsy's time at the helm is more in keeping with my memory. Dead rubber games, got the younger kids in, we played with passion and intent.

I'm not saying he's the answer, hell I don't know.

But to say he wasn't successful enough to be considered again, for me, isn't looking at the whole picture.

If Newcastle win and we're in the relegation zone, I think we'll actually act now. I really do. I think Silva will get his walking papers Monday if that score holds.

January 2019:
"It has come back to where it was,” said Kenwright. “It wasn’t the same until Marcel came. I have a really close relationship with Marcel where we talk non-stop and we consult on most things. He doesn’t consult on everything but he is terrific to work with. Very straight and very down the line.

“I talk to Denise [Barrett-Baxendale, Everton’s chief executive] many times every day and I talk to Farhad more than anyone.

“I have always said what I want to be is the guy who looks after what Everton means to the fans and that is what I have only ever wanted to do. That is the job I will continue to do. Look after my Everton, which is now Farhad’s Everton.”

I think that's the last straw. I think Marco is fired by tomorrow.

We'll see.

Dire.

On all those fronts, we're not. Silva is doing the Koemanesque death-rattle random team selection. Kean will not get 'experience' by coming on to join a deflated team that's just gone a goal behind with 15 mins left.

I think we have a half-decent squad that would challenge for top six if we had a manager who picks a positive team and communicates clear messages that are understood.

It's a bigger gamble to keep Silva. He isn't providing stability. Moshiri has set up the structure to make it easier to replace an underperforming manager.

Time for Brands to do his job. If (big if!) we get this right, top six is doable in this very mediocre league.

Quicker the better.

The cult of Unsworth needs nipping in the bud as well. We were an utter mess under him. Go back and read some of the match threads during his tenure if you have the stomach for it. Out of depth.

No more excuses.

Mr Moshiri; NOW is the time to act. To delay is just putting off the decision.

Just saying.

I think those advocating Benitez need to grow a little pride. The fucker insulted out club on more than one occasion.

What will these people do if the jobs offered to him and he turns it down. They simply invite more shame

It's gotta happen now, surely?

The gallows is ready, pull the rope.

Although I am enjoying all the distorted stats and hysteria from the same people who were so against him last time around.

Some of the dreamers are in for a shock. This is a poison chalice. Any manager with a reputation to protect wouldnt touch it with a shitty stick.

Only a washed up manager with washed up ideas would take the job . .Either that or its another punt on a wannabe

Isn't he like married to Sheffield United?

And all because of managers.

The barcodes just beat MU because Bruce, a shit manager by any standard, gave a Prem debut to a 19-year-old who won the game with a MotM performance.

Earlier Wolves won at City because Espirito Santo changed his alignment to funnel City's attack into certain areas and ticketed his players to counter at will. Then, with the game 0-0, he moved Traore -- one goal in 72 Prem games, but one of the fastest players in the world -- up top for those late counters. Traore scored twice.

Can anyone even imagine our manager doing anything like that? Of course not. Our 19-year-old rides the bench, and our alignment and strategy never change, no matter the opponent. And we would not have won either of those games.

The lack of quality on our touchline is just too obvious.

Managing s bunch of kids does not prepare you in any way shape or form to manage international stars and go up against the best managers in the world.

Sam Hoare did an excellent expose of managers yesterday.

Personally I would be happy with anyone from Marcelino, Ten Hag or Nagelsmann.

You’ve also got serial winners like Ancelloti, Mourinho who have won things wherever they go but I don’t think we could tempt either and aJose would want to take over the club.

Anyway, if you want cheering up, here my big punting run of the day. I always back something against Bataash. I narrowed it down to Sestillio Jet & Glass Slippers. I only backed one of them - guess which one?

Aaaaaagggghhhh!

What club would have Ebrell, Jeffers and Ferguson as coaches? No wonder we're so shite.

Anyone saying a decent manager wouldn’t come to us. Well, can think of several million reasons why they might. Let’s reach for the stars rather than scrape the bottom of the barrel.

In other news our high profile young Spanish striker Sandro (remember him) missed a penalty earlier today - making it 2 years since he last found the net.

How do we do it?

The only distorted stats are yours. I cited one statistic. One. His 2017 record as our manager. Eight games, two wins. Thought it was relevant.

And you took that one statistic and sliced it and diced it and julienned it like a TV chef creating a salad. This one was a dead rubber and that one was something else and Joe Royle and whatever. And you even added a cherry tomato on top by tossing in the one game he managed two seasons earlier -- talk about distorting the stats, if somebody else had done that you'd have melted them down with derision.

You think the best guy to come in and save the season is a youth coach with 9 games of top-tier managerial experience? Rock on. All the best to ya. Glad you didn't put money on it.

Mike #600, anybody would look ordinary in our current attacking setup and coaching structure. I saw him play several times last spring for Juventus, and trust me, he is anything but ordinary. I hope our next manager gives him the opportunity to show it.

The away support has given up. The players look to have done the same. I suspect that with the money he's owed and the damage to his reputation Marco will need to be blasted out - a resignation is unthinkable.

These are dark dark days.

I wasnt even talking about you, but seeing as you pipe up

You piled in spouting stats with total disregard for the underlying facts. You didnt even know you were talking about dead rubbers.

I'll be happy to drop this, though as I've had a conversation which leads me to believe Silva will be given more time.
I'll talk about the next manager again when this one has gone.

Dire days, terrible days. This is a new low for us.

I think it would be madness to try to appoint a long-term manager now because nobody would be available, so it looks likes it maybe Call Unsie time again. I honestly can't see what else could happen.

Enough is enough. Get this guy and his staff out.

"I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager"

Bill, you've contradicted yourself in your above statement, If she knows as much as other male board members (which she doesn't (Brands or Kenwright)), then why did she bother employing Brands? Have a look at her past employment, where's the football knowledge?

And then you say: "that's why the club employs a DoF. "

Yes I was correct in my first post she hasn't got a clue what makes a winning football manager, that's why the club employed Brands.

If Brands says to the board Silva isn't good enough, then he isn't good enough, the board have to act on this. By doubting Brands they the board would be stating we think we know more about what makes a good manager than you, what's the point in having him as a DoF?

The only time the board should be involved is for the financial side of any dismissal, both paying of the old manager and the costings for a new one.

There's no point in having a DoF if they won't act on his advice.

I'll jump out of that window with you if he's the best we can do.

In one season we're relegated and they win the Prem, CL and heaven knows what else.

The glass is definitely half empty for me at the moment for me.

"Don't Panic, Don't Panic!"

It's not corporal Jones we should be listening to, it's his Scottish squadie mate private Frazer we should listen to:

"We're Doomed, Doomed!!!!"

A stop gap would be a mistake. Also, the world of football has moved around Moyes while he has stood still. Reappointing him would likely prove to be a mistake.

give it another transfer window or so and Moshiri and Usmanov could well trade places and become old Morte and Randolph themselves and end up potless if they carry on running Everton the way they have.

In fact, Kenwright can blacken up and become the Eddie Murphy character who fleeces the pair of them and heads off into the sunset trousering a fortune!

How Moshiri must wish he stayed in and watched the telly instead of meeting Billy bullshitter for a soup in the Tai Pan.

They will not give a flying F about the lack of Love towards them if they lift the Prem and/or CL.

I'm looking forward to the derby like never before.

I posted, "I should imagine Denise knows as much as the rest of us and the other (male) board members on how to choose a football manager; that's why the club employs a DoF".

You've completely missed my point which was that none of us have any experience of choosing a PL football manager including the other board members.

I said that was Brands role and that he was on the board. Why single out Denise?

If you must be pedantic then, yes, I should have said "knows as much as other board members...excluding Brands and Kenwright (who I admit I forgot about) but I thought that would have been clear to most people.

He then sold him for a pittance. I always believed that McCarthy had much more to his game than we saw at Everton.

Silva makes my blood boil because he's a complete fraud with a woeful record. Who the hell believed that he could be a success at Everton having fucked up most other clubs he managed? Shameful!

But I do have to admit we had the benefit of watching him at his fully fit confident best and seeing his strengths and weaknesses over a period of seasons.

Silva came in after his terrible injury and, reading between the lines of his best friend at Everton Coleman's comments, he wasn't playing to nowhere near the level he could in training and didn't do very well on the pitch in what little time Silva gave him.

So I can see why the decision was made but I knew for a fact when he was back to his fully fit best, he would be a cracking signing for Palace – you just can't beat work rate and steel in the midfield.

“Going down? Are we fuck, We'll stay up and win the cup!”

But only if we do as John says @632 and find some work-rate and steel in our midfield... Please!

I can't see many decent players wanting to come to us in the next window to give us that steel.

We'll need to find it from within; god help us!

Looking at our squad there's very little quality that Silva can bring in that's going to suddenly transform us. Our summer transfer business is looking more and more ropey.

Surely behind the scenes at the club the Moshiri, Brands and Silva will be discussing why things are going wrong and what Silva can do to bring improvement at least in the short term.

As for relegation I don't think for one moment we will be this season; yeah, the season's not looking great, but relegation? No.

Based on the value of the team/squad, I would say relegation is unlikely as well, but too much complacency is dangerous.

Why don't the powers that be at Everton have any guts? Can't they see what's happening? Do they seriously believe Silva is suddenly going to change and start playing the type of football he promised us when he was appointed? If so, they are as delusional as Silva is.

He is totally bereft of ideas, he's had more than enough time to produce a team that plays his way... oops, sorry, he's done that and look where it's got us.

As Lyndon calls it on another thread, we're in a death spiral and will be as long as Silva remains as manager.

Please, please, Mr Moshiri, if you care anything about the club, or anything about the money you'll lose when we fall into the Championship, act NOW, and give us a chance to save our skins and our Premier League status, which we sure won't do with Silva at the helm.

Ffs, have you seen the man's body language on the touchline? Head in hands in despair, sitting in the dugout, head down looking beaten, or standing on the touchline, hands in pockets, coat done up to the neck, looking as if he's about to burst into tears?

All those postures are those of someone who is out of their depth, someone with no idea what to do, and someone who is completely lost and has no idea what direction he should be taking. Is it any wonder the players are uninspired and lacking motivation?

Silva couldn't motivate diarrhea off a wet shovel. Get rid of the fraud, please before it's too late. If we go down, forget Bramley-Moore Dock, because there'll be nobody left to fill it and you can kiss your millions goodbye.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sacking-managers-pointless-stats-slaven-bilic-west-ham-premier-league-a8044586.html

To summarise its points:

1) Luck plays a part, and managers tend to be sacked when in the midst of an unlucky period. The 'new manager' bounce is explainable by regression to the mean back to the average expected results (though I think it may be more complex than that and presumably some player psychology plays a part).

2) Following on from the first point, luck accounts for 50% of the result, due to football being a relatively low-scoring game compared with other sports.

3) Results (and so final league position) are 90 % correlated with wages. Some of you will be familiar with this, as I have seen it posted on here many times before. We are (I think) about 7th in wages, so this is where we should 'expect' to finish. Unless you take into account the most salient point for this debate,which is point number..

4) Changing managers mid-season won't normally have any affect, as statistically, most managers are of 'middle ability' and so won't be able to have any real impact on the where the team finishes, due to (3). Only 10% or so of managers are 'elite', and of course, most of them are likely to be currently employed. The chance of attracting an elite manager who is currently unemployed is therefore quite low.

So what can we take from this? I think its evident that Silva is currently underachieving with this squad, based on money spent and wages paid (the wages/league position correlation just highlights what a good job Moyes did although some on here seem blind to that - but I'm not advocating his return in any way). Having said that, we are only 8 games in and the table is still quite tight, and I think we should have enough quality to steer clear of trouble.

If we accept that, in the majority of cases, most managers are only of 'average ability', and you will probably finish where you expect to in terms of financial outlay, then it becomes apparent that getting the next managerial appointment right is crucial. Liverpool (sorry to have to mention them) are 2nd in terms of wages paid, but have that vital ingredient that will probably see them win the league - a manager who is in that top 10% - someone who can make his team overperform or outperform where they should be. I don't think Silva is in that bracket - far from it, but can we, as a football club, attract that calibre of manager?

I think Silva will get to the West Ham game, at least, but if I was Brands, I would be asking him questions: about his set piece record (shows stubbornness and/or lack of ability to get instructions across to players), his failure to win from a losing position in 20 or so games (lack of leadership and failure to engender a never-say-die attitude and inability to comtemplate losing - the 'run through a brick wall' attitude which is a vital part of any successful team), and also asking him - 'can you take this team further than we may expect to go - can you make us more than the sum of our parts'?

I don't think Silva is the man, but can we, as a football club, attract the quality of manager to take us that bit further, to drive us beyond what we might think we are capable of? And of course instill that in the players, so that they really believe it? Is there a manager out there for us that can do that? That is the question. I hope the answer is that there is such a person out there, and that we can find him, persuade him, install him, and support him. We must hope we find the right one.

I think we'll beat West Ham, draw at Brighton, beat Watford in the cup, and beat Spurs. The crisis will be over.

He's driving me nuts and stubbornly refusing to try anything brave or different, but he believes in his methods and seems to be a manager that, when it clicks, it clicks.

I think he'll recover enough to see out the season, but he has an awful lot to prove, as does Brands. The summer recruitment left us woefully short, and our starting eleven is worse than last season's.

it would be nice if it happened, but I have hoped for a turn-around in every game in this poor run, and you know what? It doesn't change. It just repeats.

I wouldn't be surprised if the board hold fire because it would be a damn site easier for them if Silva bucks the trend. Giving him till the end of the season is a lot less work than finding a replacement without tapping-up allegations and huge pay-offs to Silva and the club his replacement comes from (if he is employed).

I hope Marco does turn it round and we can sort out the mess in the summer.

It's the same story with the same ending no matter who the Manager is. Why?

If we win, it buys Silva a little bit of time, but a defeat and it's got to be game over. The international break gives Brands & Moshiri a chance to plan for his departure...

I watched the game, because McCarthy started, and because he's a favourite of mine. As always got stuck in, Noble nearly took his head off, gave it everything for 80 mins, in an advanced role, a true professional.

John @632, how can you say, he didn't do it in training, or on the pitch in Silva's time?? He was fully fit, and Silva never gave him a chance, gave him 20 mins against Man Utd, but picked Schneiderlin ahead of him, who was sent home from training, because of his attitude. That's what's in charge as manager

He went out of favour at Everton and was better to move on. Should have played in February last season, sat on the bench once. Could have made a real difference then.

This sea-change in fortune you speak of... what is Silva going to do to turn our fortunes around? Oh, just more of the same, is it?

But this time it's going to work, and the players that are conceding cheap goals and failing to create meaningful chances let alone score them are suddenly going to click and go on a four-game unbeaten run.

Unfortunately the evidence points to the opposite. I suspect that, if Silva is given the next four games, we will be even deeper in this crisis. We all wish that the corner is moments away but, under Silva, I now fully believe that it just will not come.

Richarlison ain't a dribbler, ain't creative, ain't a good crosser or a particularly good passer. I don't get it why people would think of him as a wonderkid winger or striker?

He has good stamina, shooting and strength but he ain't strong in the air, 10 years from now people would think of him as a "good" player but not the world class player we were told/thought he was.

I believe that there's way too much dust in the air these days; and players are constantly being sold (by all means) by their agents that it's truly hard to find the gems, covered by all these ash.

I don't have a coaching badge but I would tell Silva exactly what are his players/system weakness and strengths (if any). I'm not sure he would listen, though, because these guys know it all, don't they??

If that isn't mismanagement, then Mike Walker was a tactical genius; at least we beat some team 6-2. Under this clown, we couldn't hope to beat Marine or Cammell Laird by that score

Don't want to jump on the ' Silva out" bandwagon but we have good players, looks like they just don't know what to do.

I run a big team at work, I tell them specifically what I need from they, they deliver, we get a result.

Andrew #648, agreed but please pick a different metaphor. Right now the word corner strikes reflexive terror into my heart.

Or, as the NBCSN commentator said Saturday, "Corner to Burnley. Which makes every Everton fan want to hide under the couch."

Couches at Burnley, Mike? For the away fans? They'll be providing champagne ice buckets next (I have to take my own at the moment).

In fairness silva has won 5-1 and 4-0, which is effectively the same as 6-2. However don’t see this as me defending him as I’m certainly not.

On Silva, if the guy isn't the right person then the 'who will be next?' question should not be stopping Silva getting sacked. Yes, a new manager is disruptive but at least a) the new manager bounce will hopefully get a few decent results on the board meaning we climb the table to safety and get some confidence back in the squad; and b) a new manager may well turn out to be 'the one'.

As the saying goes, if you don't at first succeed, try and try again – that also goes for getting the right person in the dugout. If a player doesn't work out you get rid and replace. Why can we not do that with the manager?

As has been mentioned several times on the site, the actual cost of sacking a manager and paying out comp as well as whatever is needed to attract a new person is actually a lot less than we pay for the average first-team player. Incredible really when the manager is arguably the most important person at the club.

There is absolutely no point imo in keeping Silva – there will be no turnaround. Losing regularly to bottom-half clubs, home and away, is not something that's going to magically fix itself. We didn't lose these games because of luck, we lost because on the whole we haven't been good enough. Luck happens now and again, losing consistently cannot be down to luck. The players don't seem to be playing for him and he doesn't seem to have a clue what to do. He's like a fish out of water flapping around waiting to be put out of his misery. We have very decent players on paper but, as a team, it simply isn't working. Tactics, teamwork, pride, moral - whatever it is, it's simply not there.

FWITW Moyes and Unsworth should be nowhere near the role once it becomes available. The former is well well past it and the latter isn't premiership material and is very happy in his comfort zone. He looked like a rabbit in headlights when he was caretaker a couple of years ago. Let him do what he does best with the kids.

The wage bill now is 7th.

Not much has changed other than we're spending it less wisely.

We'll never (in my lifetime anyway, I hope) get to the stage where we have players earning £250k+ per week, like most of the teams in the top 6 (Spurs excepted). I think we're more like joint 6th right now as we were only very slightly behind Spurs at the end of the 2018-19 season, both pretty much on the same wage bill. The other 5 were miles ahead of the rest. Thanks to recent recruitment since Silva's been here, we now have half a dozen players over the £100k/week mark and a few others in the £80k and £90k range, so we may even be above Spurs now.

Our Premier League position currently is a complete farce when compared to our wage bill.

The main point though, was that the next guy in charge has to be 'above average' or even 'elite' if we are to consistently finish ahead of where we are projected to in relation to the wage bill. Can we attract that calibre of manager is the question?