The captain expressed his belief that the 2015-16 season wasn't as bad as was made out but he admits that poor results ultimately cost Roberto Martinez his job.
Now, with a number of players reaching either the end of their careers or their contracts at Goodison Park and some potential sales — not to mention the search for a new manager — he expects big changes at the club in the coming months.
“We have got a few players who are coming out of contract, players who have had rumours throughout the season about moves and things, so not only is the staff going to change, the squad is going to change massively as well," Jagielka told the media.
"[T]he main thing is Everton football club moves forward and keeps progressing. There is going to be a lot of change in the playing squad. I am not sure the squad is going to be big enough for the start of next season with the people who are leaving.
"It is a case of them deciding what sort of squad and formula they want on the pitch and off the pitch. That will determine what manager they want.
“There could be double figures leaving, which is a lot. We are talking about established first-team players. It is going to be a big change of personnel and that will play a big part in who will get the chance to manage the club.”
The 32-year-old, who learned today that he will not be making the trip to France this summer to represent England at the European Championship Finals, pointed to two cup semi-finals as evidence the season just finished wasn't all bad but he agrees poor results in the league meant that it was almost inevitable the Martinez had to leave.
“It is easy to say it has been a season of underachievement but we have had two great cup runs,” Jagielka continued. “Our league form hasn't been as good as it is should have been, but things haven't been as bad as people have made out. Football is a results business and, unfortunately for us in the league, it is not what we have wanted.
“The results cost the manager the job. It is as simple as that. It was very hard for the manager to stay in charge.”
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1 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:35:28
This was a very poor season, simple as.
2 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:37:22
3 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:41:57
And to be honest 8 of those need to go and the other 2 can go if we get the 𧴜m the media are touting them to be sold for.
4 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:42:51
A bit arse about face maybe but there's obviously a lot afoot and our club captain doesn't sound much involved in it.
New manager, new squad, new ground....all in the space of a week! Swoon.....
My point being - not much "we" in there....
7 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:44:42
8 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:47:30
9 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:48:07
That sounds like a veiled warning to me and it also gives off the vibe that he'll be one of those leaving? Jags comments don't fill me full of hope that we will attract the calibre of manager we all crave, as usual we'll just have to wait and see.
10 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:48:42
Also he is a big name and players will respect him.
11 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:51:48
The new Manager will then be able to decide the fate of those in contract, not the players, their agents or even their Dad's.
Wouldn't be surprised if we had a new captain. Jags is a fine player but hardly an Everton captain of the likes that went before him.
12 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:55:14
13 Posted 16/05/2016 at 00:04:15
Will all leave and depending who the new manager is, Lennon and Mirallas might also leave. We might recoup £10m for the first group and possibly the same for Mirallas and Lennon.
£100m from our new boss, plus £20m for this lot will allow us to rebuild with younger, better players.
14 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:05:50
Howard (as we knew)
I expect at least 8 new signings maybe even more, plus the further integration of players like Garbutt, Galloway and Tom Davies with perhaps later in 2016/17 season more for Dowell and others (Davies looked more ready for the first team).
Big big summer.
15 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:09:19
16 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:10:51
He's put his body on the line for us the last few weeks and I for one am not pushing to replace him as captain.. With so many old heads leaving we will need him.
17 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:13:44
The part you've quoted I found a bit odd. The anticipated big change of personnel/shake up of the playing squad will play a big part in determining who is given the nod as the next manager? Not exactly how it works is it? Surely it should be the other way around, with any new incumbant coming in and deciding which players to cut loose and which he wants to keep?
18 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:15:47
On the under performance this season, I do think it feels a lot worse than it was. The first half of the season was actually decent with the frustration that we kept throwing good positions away. We outplayed good teams and were scoring for fun, even if defensively we were dodgy.
Since about Feb it all completely came off the rails and eventually turned into a horror show with no sign of improvement.
Kind of like the reverse of what we used to do under OFFM. We were typically horrendous up to December and then come home strongly. Ultimately it's a similar outcome over the season but the strong finish gives you hope for the new season - something which none of us had until a week ago.
19 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:16:43
A big clear out has been needed for a while and hopefully it will Bing the team kicking and screaming into the place it needs to be.
I personally would not be upset to see Jags as one of those leaving. I have always thought a captain should be one of the midfield players, not a defender.
If you want a cultured team, a properly fit and confident Stones is the one to keep.
20 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:30:15
We heard all season from players that this squad was definitely good enough for top 4. We came top 11 and only just and have been in freefall for months and been battered at home by everybody and crushing defeat by the shite - perhaps one of the worst derby showings ever. The last two months in particular have been an embarrassment to be an Evertonian and every day we've all been looking every hour to see if Martinez was sacked. Fault obviously lies partly with Martinez but also the players who clearly gave up on him. Jags partly responsible as team captain.
I like Jags usually but he has pissed me right off with that statement about our season - him and his team mates (and his former manager) have been shocking. Fair play to him for always trying his best on the field although any player should do that. I don't fault his professionalism (unlike majority of his team mates) but as captain he has added responsibility for his actions off the pitch and his words. In terms of his comments about our future manager frankly keep your nose out of it - you have not won any trophy and don't have the right to speak with authority about whom the club may go for as manager.
21 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:36:14
He's done well with Zenit won the title done well in Europe. Had Spurs highest win ratio in prem before he left.. Done ok with Chelsea even though he was younger than some of the players.. (They paid £13m to get him from Porto).
I'm happy with De Boer, would prefer Mourinho but De Boer 6/4 AVB 33/1 makes no sense. He's a good outsider considering Avram Grants 25/1 haha.
22 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:42:26
23 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:43:21
24 Posted 16/05/2016 at 00:48:52
Although Jags is captain he's still just an employee.
25 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:58:49
26 Posted 17/05/2016 at 02:06:28
1) to see how many of our young players will be given a chance
2) if Stones & Rom who are "expected" to go will stay at least one more season.
27 Posted 17/05/2016 at 02:10:01
28 Posted 17/05/2016 at 03:32:33
The reason that many players will leave because they are at the end of their contacts is management failure to plan a succession. If the plan was to replace the old with academy players, there was no evidence of that until the last game. With the season virtually over with 10 games to go, the youngsters should have been brought in then.
I like Jags, but I think this interview is a mistake, it gives the wrong message. He's probably concerned that his place in the first 11 will be under threat when the new manager comes in.
29 Posted 17/05/2016 at 03:52:03
Niasse gets a lot of stick but I saw some fleeting glimpses of potential and of course we were playing some awful football.
To be honest I don't think many of our players were suited to this slow tippy-tappy crap being served up. A return to the basics and we looked a different side. High energy, closing down space and having a good time.
Bainesy had a Cheshire Cat grin and if anyone should captain this side, he would be right up there.
30 Posted 17/05/2016 at 04:07:06
31 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:36:53
The question is, is it the Captain's place be the first to say so.
32 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:49:01
Not a winning mentality and an acceptance of mediocrity. Brings his leadership into question!
33 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:55:43
I have said the same thing on other threads it is a massive rebuild.
A few people have mentioned the players that will leave and everyone has said the same players, But don't forget the Barry,Jags and Baines are all 33 or over come the start of the season. I also think McCarthy will leave reading his body language on Saturday.
Think about it, If the 10 players that leave are on for arguments sake an average of £40k per week each that is c£20 Million off the wage bill. ( I think I am being kind here it will be more like c£27Million)
There is good youth players in the squad that have been held back by older players ( some of them robbing a living) the wage bill for 2016 was c£74 Million.
If the papers are right and Mr Moshri is going to give the new Boss £100Million to spend and say we recoup close to £100million from the sales of Rom,Stones and Co that means that the are new man has close to £200million transfer budget and a c£20-30 Million wage budget to play with.
This is the same as Chelski, Citeh and Utd when they have either rebuilt or when they got took over.
Citeh in the first 3 season after being taken over by Sheik Mansour spend £266 Million on players (Telegraph) . We are talking about a potential £100 to £200 Million in 1 summer.
Surely this can only be a good thing?
Oh I think that De Boer would be a good shout, But somebody else said AVB Yes very very underrated and I think he got shat on from a great height at Chelski and Spurs.
34 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:55:55
35 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:36:26
36 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:37:14
It's only been since the awful home defeat to Stoke just after christmas, when we shipped two goals in the last few minutes to lose 4-3, that the wheels well and truly came off in our league performance. Prior to that we had been, well, ok, and were only four points off 5th, which coupled with a league cup semi-final to look forward to, it hadn't been a terrible season. The warning signs of what was to come though, had started with the 3-3 at Bournemouth a month previously.
Thereafter, the FA Cup run only masked what was a calamity in the league from that Stoke game onwards.
I think Jags' comments about the players leaving was probably disappointment on a personal level as much as anything else, seeing as he seems to be good mates with Hibbo, Ossie, and Tim Howard as Kieran said.
I too was baffled though by his comment that the change in personnel will play a big part in who will manage the club. Surely the new manager will have the final say on what happens with the out-of-contract players, and the likes of McGeady, Kone and Niasse?
37 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:42:23
He's club captain and of all people should know this / talk in these terms naturally or have been trained on it as a key representative, and as you say, employee. It gives off an 'us and them' vibe while the club captain should talk in terms of a unified approach.
I'm probably reading too much into it but he's either not happy about it, thinks he's one of the ten or is basically unprofessional and illustrates why he shouldn't be club captain. He should view himself as more than just an employee, he holds a very important role in the club.
38 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:01:11
39 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:01:43
40 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:03:30
Let's face it we had a fairly easy run in both cups till Chelsea or Man city
41 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:08:45
42 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:01:54
43 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:11:38
Indeed Jags - sadly Martinez and Kenwright have set us back many years. I just hope Moshiri gets a grip and starts by telling Bill to pack up his Corrie memorabilia and sends him on his way back to Luvviesdom.
44 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:12:36
If players don't want to be here then let them go. Big reputations mean nothing when there is a lack of effort; Lukaku hasn't scored for 9 games and Stones has been very poor this season.
As long as the money is right let anybody leave who doesn't want to be here and find new recruits who are capable and want to play for us.
I'm confident that we will get the right manager and with the money they have available I am looking forward to the new season with renewed confidence.
45 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:32:02
From the lists people suggested on here, I would only offer Osman a one-year deal. The other 'senior' players can go. Hibbert (and to lesser extent Pienaar) deserve a good send off but other than that they can go. Niasse (if we can get some money), Kone, Gibson, McGeady, and Ovideo all can go without too much loss.
Lukaku and Stones if they don't want to stay, then get money and goodbye (I'd like them to stay though). We have good youngsters so let's use them and with money coming, it's looking good. We just need Koeman now!
46 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:32:37
Does the squad need a massive overall, or will the new manager be prepared to promote half a dozen kids?
one thing which is very obvious though, is that a change of mindset, and personnel cannot come quick enough.
Everton's captain, going on about reaching two semi finals, and then not expressing any disappointment about not winning either of those cups? Even Walter smith, would have been very disappointed Phil.
47 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:38:44
John #17 yeah that caught my eye too. Surely its the manager who decides who goes and not the players remaining deciding who the next manager is. I would hope...ha ha I guess this is Everton....but I would hope Moshiri has already identified who the next manager will be already.
To be honest, while I would like Lukaku and Stones to stay, if they want to depart for pastures new then good luck to them. No one is irreplacable and lets face it, they have certainly had their off moments this season where they have (amongst others) effectively stuck 2 fingers up to the crowd with their lack of effort. A good clear out is exactly what we need to get rid of the deadwood and also the ones who are not totally committed to Everton. If we get the right man then I will happily accept the pain of rebuilding to get the team right
48 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:42:05
I am sure he has the complete respect of the rest of the players and any new manager would be well-advised to keep him as captain at least for one more season.
49 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:48:31
This clear-out is what is going to happen anyway. We need a new manager who will want to/will have to strip things down a good bit and re-build.
The only criticism is how not-too-bad the season was, but he is captain and he has to talk things up....even the bad things. At least he didn't say it was phenomenal !!
50 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:49:16
51 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:01:06
Lukaku and Stones strike me as both being 'light headed', especially Stones, I think the right manager could convince them to stay.
Finally, Jags has always struck me as being too nice, he sort of embodied the 'Everton are just nice plucky underdogs'. That's why we need a new tougher mindset within the club.
52 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:04:13
53 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:08:42
Sure we need new players in, it should happen every season, to keep things fresh. What we need most of all are winners, players who really get the club, like Tim Cahill or Peter Reid. To have that desire to win every game and then do something about it.
I think the most important thing is our new manager and him being in place sooner rather than later. If his appointment drags on to after the Euros, it will be a mess again and we will be playing catch up.
Jags was an okay player, not captain material though. Not only him, but we had too many players when it came to important games like a cup semi or final, be it FA or League Cup or knock out stage of Europa they failed. Happened under Moyes too.
Finally, whoever we get as manager will have his work cut out to sort things. That's why I hope we get Jose or Koeman. If we still think we are a big club, a sleeping giant, we need to think big and act big.
54 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:17:37
Howard (gone), Hibbert, Gibson, Pienaar & Osman (out of contract) have a combined age of about 200 and it's about time they went. Oviedo, McGeady, McAleny, Kone & Niasse aren't good enough.
Barry has been great this season, player of the year, but I don't see him having as much game time under a new manager, but I think he should stay for the last year of his contract. Great role model for the younger players and would be a good addition to the coaching staff later on.
Rom will leave no matter who takes over but I harbour hope Stones and Ross will stay given the obvious change in direction the club is going in.
That's 11 players off the books which leaves us very short but we have Garbutt coming back from being on loan and the likes of Browning, Galloway, Pennington, Davies and Dowell knocking on the door. I'm not saying they're going to replace the others I'm just saying the right manager will intergrade these youngsters in and I feel the right man to do that is Frank De Boer.
He has a track record of utilising youth players, is obviously out of work and will be a great fit for us. Add to that we've already been linked with Cillesen, Veltman, Bazoer & Milik all from Ajax who could follow him and would be great additions.
This is a good thing and this summer is vital. First thing is getting the right man in.
55 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:25:32
I am only quoting the papers, they will be a transfer kitty Martinez wasted £60 million on 4 players.
you would expect to get a min of £60 million for Rom and Stones if they both have a decent Euro's
I think the biggest gift to a new manager is a £20 million plus surplus on player wages.
56 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:32:43
57 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:45:21
If it's Moyes, then I think there will be a massive fan exit too!
Maybe, it's just speculation, apart from the obvious few, who need replacing, the younger more talented players, ie. Rom and Stones, how can they say they want to go without even knowing who the new boss is going to be for sure?
I just hope this is going to be the start of a long awaited revival, no more false starts and piecrust promises!
58 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:51:48
The comment about the squad not being big enough is a bit naÃ¯ve for such an experienced pro, as we can be sure there will be incoming transfers, plus the promotion of some of the youth team members to first team duties (Davies, Connolly, Dowell, Kenny and others).
I will be more than happy that a few of the so called established players won't be around stinking out the place any more, after the performances of some of them this past season.
I for one cannot wait to see more of Dowell and Davies and their cohorts from the youth side in our first team, as opposed to Gibson, Pienaar, Osman, McGeady etc. How Martinez did not include these lads, and other youth prospects, earlier last season continues to rankle.
You can also add Galloway, Holgate and Garbutt to the list of players who should be seeing more 1st team action next season, as hopefully the new manager fully assesses all options before spunking any cash, so the clear out/squad size worries are unfounded for me.
As others have mentioned, the skippers last comment about the season being not as bad as made out is shameful for a captain of Everton FC, and sums up the widespread acceptance of average/survival and plucky little Everton garbage, that we have had rammed down our throats since the ginger snake was in charge.
59 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:58:43
It was a bad as all that mate, honest, I sat through it all. It's not just about the final league position, it's about the frankly criminal losses or draws in games which should not have ended like they did, time after time after time. If we didn't have so many points in the bag by Christmas, we would have been threatened big style with the drop and in 2016 calendar year, I think we were certainly one of the 3 worst team in the Premier League. It could be worse, we could have been relegated, but it can't be much worse can it?
60 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:59:47
61 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:04:03
62 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:08:44
63 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:28:40
64 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:39:12
The second half of the season was "horrendous" by any measure. The wheels came off spectacularly and rightly cost Roberto his job.
Now I never supported the appointment and would happily have seen him gone at any point in the last 18 months, but there's no way our early season form would have seen him sacked.
65 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:58:31
I still don't think Moyes should come back because he betrayed us twice. Once in his last season when he announced he was leaving with several key months to go. When we lost against Wigan in the cup we did not play like Moyes's Everton he had already mentality gone. He had given his word saying if we qualify for the CL then he would stay difficult to do that when he had given his word to Sir Alex.
The other time was the Rooney deal a player and his agent play golf with a rival manager !! He could have had Sir Alex severely fined for breaking the rules on tapping up.
FDB seems like a decent person who is giving Ajax enough time to find a new manager and we get one without paying compensation for him.
We could recommend a previous Scottish manager to Ajax.
FDB would look at previous injury layoffs so maybe only Osman would get a new contract.
66 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:06:02
67 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:06:37
Also Niasse has been written off too quickly and will have a poor sell-on value. Get him fit (another Martinez weakness), give him a run of games, then we will see if he is any good.
68 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:12:14
Hibbo, Ossie, Pienaar, Gibson (as good as gone)
McGeady, Kone (should go)
Niasse (unlikely he'll prove his worth)
I don't think Jagz saying "they" is anything to do with him being off and I think he's still a lot to give EFC. None of the above leaving weakens us really as, Howard apart, they've not really contributed hugely this season in terms of appearances.
Hopefully we've not seen the last of Stones and Rom, but i'm more relaxed about any players leaving now because firstly we'll get good money for them and secondly i'm confident any incoming cash would now be reinvested. The choice of new manager may mean they stay, maybe not, but if we play the right way and make some good additions we won't be as reliant on Rom that's for sure.
A new keeper, right back competition, striker (maybe two), central midfielder and maybe left sided midfielder, plus integration of some of the promising talent we have coming through (Davies has surprised me with the impact he's had) and I think we have cause for optimism. Could get all of those players for less than the £100m banded about with some relatively shrewd additions.
As for the manager, well, I don't like Mourninho but he would certainly raise the profile of the Club. I don't think he'll join though, although if he had any balls it'd be the perfect challenge for him. Koeman would be hard to prize away from Saints, but FdB has a good profile, decent background and I think could be worth a shout. He has no less experience really than Koeman when he took over the Saints.
Of course, if there could also be a state of the art waterfront stadium within the next 3 years or so rolled in...!!
69 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:22:42
70 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:09:51
71 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:46:11
The team needs a clear out but it can't all be done in one go. Spurs tried to replace Bale with 7 new players, which failed. There's a lot of deadwood in the team but letting too many go without the funds to buy quality replacements will leave the squad threadbare. I'm not suggesting carrying players is a good thing but sometimes it's a necessity until the money and right player come along.
I hope a top manager comes in and is given the full support needed to make the necessary changes to the squad. There will be a period of change and probably some upset but that may need to happen for the good of the team.
72 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:54:38
Unless they are like Rooney, who was a grown man at 16, (I heard he could have played at 14 were there not a law against boys changing with adults), they need to be introduced very carefully. So in view of all the departures (many of whom should have gone ages ago, or never come in the first place), we will need a big recruitment; fortunately we can afford it.
As the summer will be a hugely transitional period, I think we need an experienced coach who knows his way round the EPL, not a newbie or a youngster. Mourinho, Koeman, AVB or Pelligrini for me, not deBoer (I have seen enough possession-based football) or Howe. Benitez is experienced, but can he be trusted to spend wisely, after his Liverpool days?
73 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:17:04
That leaves us needing a goalkeeper, and wanting upgrades in several other positions. Left side attack should be the main priority. Everyone else I'd keep, and there look to be about five or six youngsters who can be the back-up.
If those seven leave, we'll still have a squad of;
Coleman, Connolly, Kenny, Holgate
Jagielka, Stones, Funes Mori, Browning, Pennington, Galloway,
Baines, Oviedo, Garbutt
Barry, Besic, Ledson
McCarthy, Cleverley, Davies
Deulofeu, Lennon, Mirallas Lukaku, Niasse, Rodriguez If you look down the left hand side, the starting XI doesn't change much at all, its the injury prone and ageing back-up that's going. So all in all, I don't see this as a massive shake-up on the field, more a clear out of natural wastage. Incidentally, I'd keep Hibbert and Osman as coaches immediately if they were willing to hang up their boots. I think its right to have them in and around the club, especially working within the academy. The rest of who we should buy can be a fun discussion, but it shouldn't be founded on the premise that we desperately need a huge overhaul.
Barkley, Shani Tarashaj, Dowell
Lukaku, Niasse, Rodriguez
If you look down the left hand side, the starting XI doesn't change much at all, its the injury prone and ageing back-up that's going. So all in all, I don't see this as a massive shake-up on the field, more a clear out of natural wastage. Incidentally, I'd keep Hibbert and Osman as coaches immediately if they were willing to hang up their boots. I think its right to have them in and around the club, especially working within the academy.
The rest of who we should buy can be a fun discussion, but it shouldn't be founded on the premise that we desperately need a huge overhaul.
74 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:30:34
As Euegene (#49) says, the rest is fairly obvious. The combination of ageing players reaching end of contracts, some 'stars' wanting to leave and a new manager with a big budget means major upheaval.
Our usual incremental change model, though sensible, is not an option. A big set of changes is a risk, but we don't have much alternative. Strap yourself in for a bumpy, but hopefully interesting ride.
75 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:31:46
To say we were only a few points off 5th is pretty misleading to be honest. We were as close to 5th as 17th. At the turn of the year we were in 11th place. In fact we were as many points off 4th as we were to relegation.....not good. It's no good saying we showed flashes because football is a 90 minute game....something we struggled with for 2 years.
In my opinion it's been a very poor season, same as last season. Not nearly good enough for Everton Football Club. For people in the club to keep going on about two semi-finals is quite frankly, possibly poor. Semi-finals win nothing and Jags is doing the club a huge disservice trying to point to that as being half-decent... especially given the rubbish opposition during those cup runs.
Sorry Ernie, I don't see anything worth shouting about in the last 2 years let alone this one. If we ever want to be among the trophies again then we need to recognise the season for what it was awful tepid entertainment-free dross from which we got exactly what we deserved... nothing and a sacked manager.
76 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:39:19
The possible emergence of the Under-21s is mouth watering but of course we cannot be carried away on the assumption they will make an immediate impact. Tom Davies could be something special but sometimes young prospects don't make the next level as we have seen from many Everton prospects over the years.
Also, room will have to be made for new signings and the big question will be the Lukaku situation. If he does go, will Niasse step in and do a good job or will the new manager prefer to change the style to one of playing without a big target man.
Quite a few teams are finding success hitting on the break, preferring the ball along the ground or over the top for speedier players to run onto à la Leicester. Lukaku will always score goals but lacks the all-around mobility of a Harry Kane or Aguerro.
77 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:42:38
Whoever the new manager may be, he has to be brought in as soon as possible, this will allow him to start bringing in players he believes he will need, and give him time during pre-season games to assess what he has, and what he may need before the season starts, with time still left in the transfer market.
We have to have the new manager in as soon as possible, but at the same time appreciate that it may take time for the club to do due diligence in picking the correct manager.
78 Posted 17/05/2016 at 14:12:55
The list of players to go as per Gavin - 3 - is fine by me - nothing surprising in the list and we are all expecting Lukaku and Stones to move on.
The youngsters coming through with a few of the remaining experienced players but inevitable (hopefully) replacements in goal; centre back; midfield and striker will be enough to see us anticipating a much improved season ahead.
On the manager front I believe EFC are waiting for Koeman who in turn is waiting to see what sort of budget Southampton set for him for this coming season. He earned 1m less than OFM last season, so a move in personal financial terms would be attractive!
79 Posted 17/05/2016 at 15:34:52
I also think the both of them maybe holding out to see who the next manager is going to be, before making any push to leave the club. This would be especially true for Stones if a defensive savvy coach was brought in. After Martinez's defensive shamble, Stones looks a fraction of what his potential is. Bringing someone who can get him back on track maybe the reason he would want to stay. The same goes for Lukaku. If he has a manager that would build a team around his strengths, which hasn't been the case for the last 3 years. He could be a 30 goal a year striker.
80 Posted 17/05/2016 at 15:39:43
The wreckage of the Martinez era is retrograde but does offer a big opportunity if the club get things right.
At least we won't have Mr Snake Oil spending the dosh.
(On another note, I'm surprised Laudrup isn't higher in the betting given some of the other names thrown in. Not saying I want him - but would take him over DM or MON for example).
81 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:05:04
Our youth set-up should mean our fringe players can be let go without needing spend big to replace them, nor have big wages.
Our summer transfer activity can focus on key players: Goalkeeper, Left Winger (Creative midfielder - Pienaar's long due replacement), Striker (2 should Lukaku move on). We also should look for a top class center midfielder to take over from Barry.
82 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:13:15
My preferred option would be to keep Unsy with Joe Royle just behind and whispering in his ear at appropriate moments.
Simultaneously clear out / clean up the squad with judicious buys, with Stones and Lukaku leading the charge. If they don't like the option then fine use their sale income to strengthen appropriately and also invest into the stadium via an international architectural competition to explore all alternatives. As an architect myself I know we have only just scratched the surface on that subject.
Generally the pulse of the Club does not necessarily need the sudden influx of a outside enforced managerial shift. Although if it happens I would understand and support the concept. I'm also a big fan of Mourihno (have I spelled that right?) but as with everything there are risks, and he does have 'form' . . . .
I just liked (no loved) everything I saw on Sunday. The sense of unity, relief, and that with the combination of a bedrock of key first teamers, young bloods and well selected additions, the future does look really good without Roberto. Recovering from his malaise the only really is up, up and up again.
83 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:17:45
We need a goalkeeper, a centre back, a goal scoring midfield player and a striker. I am convinced that with a good manager and coaching team the players will develop and the team will be successful.
84 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:28:52
86 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:02:07
Phil, you saw what happened to the last guy who wouldn't admit his failings. He also believed the season was better than it was. Get with reality or you'll be next to fall on your sword, fella.
It's a poor captain that doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the fans.
87 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:07:43
I remember waiting around 15 months for KonÃ© to get fit... and for what? We waited another 3 or 4 months for Niasse... same story.
We have a mix of damp squids and very average players. there needs to be a wholesale clear-out of these players who can't fart higher than their arses!
88 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:20:24
Vital to get this appointment sorted out now - recruit a good, winning manager and we may just keep Rom and Stones, whilst upgrading the journeymen (Gibbo, Kone etc) and inept (Niasse)...but only if we sort this manager situation out ASAP.
89 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:39:39
We need new players who will move the ball quicker and not be looking backwards all the time, we are rid of Bobby brown shoes, now lets get rid of his way of playing.
It should be an interesting close season.
90 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:00:10
Robles, Coleman, Jagielka, Stones, Funes Mori, Baines, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Lennon, Mirallas, Barkley, Lukaku, Besic.
Given Stones/Lukaku will both leave, that means we are left with 12 senior pros.
91 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:04:30
It seemed to me that Baines playing within himself and Jags unavailablity except for the semi might have been the final up yours to Martinez who had made it perfectly clear since coming he did not want anything associated with Moyes as part of the club.
I hope this is not another smoke and mirrors effort by Bill to get his mate Davey back in.
92 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:06:29
Naismith was ridiculed when he first arrived but ended up making a useful contribution! I'm sure there are other examples too!? I don't think we can right off 13.5m despite Moshiri's millions!
93 Posted 17/05/2016 at 19:49:44
94 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:03:35
Talk about stating the bleedin obvious. Of course there will be a clear out (and not before time too) of dead wood and those wishing to ' better' themselves. If JS & RL want to go -fuck em and get rid. If some soft shite is prepared to pay silly money then take it.
This club needs a shake up on and off the field. Whatever happens we need a new captain because PJ is about as inspiring as a brick. Solid but no leadership skills. We need a Peter Reid type to show some bite.
I'll wait to see who we get as Manager before I get excited about who we recruit. Let's hope sanity prevails and it's not David Moyes Mark 2.........with BK in the discussion process you can't totally rule it out!
95 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:08:15
It's an absolute shambolic situation we find ourselves in with at least 5-6 players finishing their time at Goodison due to age, injury prone or just not good enough and possibly 2 or 3 moving on because they don't see success at Everton for another 2-3 years or so.
I think only De Boer will actually want the job to allow him to test himself in the PL , forget Mourinho, Koeman, Rafa, they will all realise the poor situation we have here.
We might have 𧴜m to spend and a possible new ground in a few years but we don't have a decent foundation to build on. There are huge gaps in the key positions, goalie, centre halves, midfield and nothing at all upfront once Lukaku leaves.
96 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:11:38
97 Posted 17/05/2016 at 21:40:33
Jose is unlikely but could easily unsettle the club and waste the outstanding talent coming through the ranks; De Boer and Koeman could be successful but I wouldn't be convinced. I would like to see us restructuring with an Everton boot room headed up by Unsy as head coach with a continental technical director bridging the gap between the coaching team and the boardroom. The role would involve transfer dealings, PR, media,and consultancy with the coaching team.
A top ex player with some coaching/management experience at club and/or international level would be needed. This would need to be an appointment to raise the profile of the club worldwide and would lessen the pressure that is always but on one mans shoulders when appointing a standalone manager.
Think outside the box and go for a Seedorf, Canavaro, or maybe Juergen low or even Pellegrini and let unsy run first team affairs. This will ensure the golden crop of young players will get their chance and we can build a team with a strong local identity whilst still attracting some top talent from around the world.
98 Posted 17/05/2016 at 22:05:53
99 Posted 17/05/2016 at 22:19:42
Whereas Jags didn't graduate from the Dale Carnegie School of Business - he is a player and not a "suit" - he really should know enough to phrase sentences in terms of "we".
His "they" choice of words might be telling. Then again it might just be a player not thinking before he speaks.
For me, I get the distinct impression Jags has lost a bit of the "we" mentality. And that's not a good thing.
A complete overhaul of the squad is needed, and I'd include in that anyone not on the "we" bandwagon.
We need every player - new recruits and signings as well as chiseled veterans - to have the mindset of "ra-ra-team!" this upcoming season or we could really be in for a world of shit. They have to pull together as a unit.
Saying "they" is an implied adversarial relationship in my opinion as anyone associated with the Club surely is part of the collective.
Very interesting point Mike Green! One simpler minds as mine didn't notice at first glance.
100 Posted 17/05/2016 at 23:00:43
Just a thought - after being told for most of it not all of the season we had the best squad for a generation how come it now needs dismantling ? Just a thought.
101 Posted 17/05/2016 at 23:15:16
I know it's been a tough season but rarely has so much nonsense been talked on ToffeeWeb. 'We should get rid of our captain because I interpret his syntax thusly'? I said it elsewhere and I''ll say it here. Some of you have gone mental, go and have lie down.
As a general rule, the recently recurring thread where people get really angry because a player said something is not a useful one. Usually the angry person has chosen the worst possible interpretation of the interview and in some cases they read things that aren't there.
It reminds me of an old internet viral 'from men to women': "if we say something that can be interpreted in two different ways, and one of those ways makes you angry or upset, we meant the other one."
102 Posted 18/05/2016 at 05:52:49
Of the first team regulars maybe only maximum 3 will leave, 2 of whom have openly made it known for some time they want away, and the other put in a transfer request.
103 Posted 18/05/2016 at 12:53:39
104 Posted 18/05/2016 at 13:12:51
So we are rumoured to have circa 𧴜 mill to spend; let's say Rom goes for 㿨 mill, that's 𧵘 mill before wages get freed up by the non-playing staff, Pienaar etc. Who the hell do we buy? West Ham, for example, have had too bids of 㿊 mill for that French striker and 㿅 mill for Matt Richie and Calum Wilson. That's 㿣 mill!! And the window hasn't even opened yet!!
We basically need a new spine to the team, right back, left winger, playmaker, and two strikers, that's a lot, a hell of a lot to do in a few months, not to mention we have NO manager! I'm trying not to panic just yet but when you throw in all clubs will have about the same money, not to mention the mega rich teams, and then the London factor in the mix, I'm wondering where is all this talent going to come from? And why would they come to us? Reassure me blues.
105 Posted 18/05/2016 at 16:58:21
106 Posted 18/05/2016 at 21:16:40
I'm not mental... It was an interesting dissection of word usage I found fascinating and having some merit.
But I definitely need a lie down.
107 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:11:45
108 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:28:08
109 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:51:16
And this article
110 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:58:17
I think we will get Frank De Boer but we need to sort it out ASAP so the players know where they stand.
111 Posted 19/05/2016 at 09:03:58
Maybe a journalist just speculating, but the clock is ticking, and with the Euros this year the new man needs to be in place sooner rather than later.
Although its more important that they get the right man. With the possible sales of Lukaku and Stones bringing in close to £100 million, then we need someone to spend that money wisely.
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