Reports: Koeman installed as Everton's top choice

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Southampton boss Ronald Koeman is the man most wanted by Everton to fill the managerial vacancy left by Roberto Martinez according to multiple reports.

After the Liverpool Echo claimed earlier in the day — and there are other sources on Merseyside lending their suggestion credence this evening — that the Dutchman was interested in the Goodison Park post, virtually all of the national dailies (The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Mirror, The Express, the Daily Mail and the Daily Star) are saying that the Blues' hierarchy are looking to tempt Koeman with a £100m summer warchest.

Koeman has a year remaining on his contract at the St Mary's Stadium and is due to sit down with the Saints' board to discuss an extension this month amid speculation that he could be looking to move on.

Earlier, his compatriot Frank de Boer had emerged as an early favourite to replace Martinez, with confirmation of his decision to leave Ajax coinciding with news of the Catalan's dismissal. His agent has expressed interest in the Everton job and his brother, Ronald told Sky Sports today that he thinks Frank would be a good fit for the Toffees.

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo

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James Morgan
1 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:51:06
Where does is say he's interested? Sources!
Think he would be a great choice for us, proven in the PL, defensively sound, gives youngsters a chance, and honest about his performances.
Eric Holland
2 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:51:22
Now odds of 1/100 with betfair....
Eugene Kearney
3 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:55:43 Boer, Koeman....

.....looks like we're goin' Dutch

Jim Bennings
5 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:08:01
I hope the board are on the phone to Ronald Koeman right now as I type this, get this man in at all costs.

If we fail in the attempt for Koeman then there's still fine options like Dutch counterpart De Boer who I wouldn't exactly say no to either..

Michael Winstanley
6 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:19:39
Source? The Echo but the article says nothing other than de Boer is perfect for us and his agent wants him to come here.

If we get Koeman we're in business.

Gareth Williams
7 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:27:12
i would like to see Koeman at Everton. If not him, De Boer. Both good managers.
Tony Byrne
8 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:31:41
Latest odds.....

Paul Ellam
9 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:32:18
I agree that Koeman does look a good option.
However, it must be mentioned that when he was cutting his teeth in Holland, the guy who kept beating him to the titles was none other than.......Frank De Boer.
Therefore, Frank would be my first choice.
(plus he can bring a few gems from the Ajax team with him!)
Garry Corgan
10 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:33:03
Why am I seeing Koeman at 8/1 on Betfair instead of 1/100?
Tony Draper
11 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:33:56
Go BIG Everton !

I watched this video the other day.
For anyone aged 45 or younger, you won't believe that once upon a time our fine club really was the envy of the land, the envy of Europe !

Want proof ?
Here's a programme made in 1968.

The first 20 seconds have me in fucking BITS !

I think that we Evertonians owe janes daddy BIG TIME !
Stop thinking cheap n shoddy.


Tony Draper
12 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:33:56
Go BIG Everton !

I watched this video the other day.
For anyone aged 45 or younger, you won't believe that once upon a time our fine club really was the envy of the land, the envy of Europe !

Want proof ?
Here's a programme made in 1968.

The first 20 seconds have me in fucking BITS !

I think that we Evertonians owe janes daddy BIG TIME !
Stop thinking cheap n shoddy.


Declan Brown
13 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:37:45
Give it to him, just give the job to Koeman.

Can't believe he has expressed interest (if it's true). Just give him the job! I think this would be a giant step forward.

I thought he'd see us as a step down compared to what he has built at Southampton.

Everton, don't mess this up!

Steve Mink
14 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:15:26
Koeman probably using us as a tactic to negotiate a better Southampton contract.

One can but hope, particularly if he could bring Forster, Wanyama, Fonte and van Dijk with him.

Conor Skelly
15 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:18:39
I don't really get the fuss over Koeman. We beat them and drew with them this season. He's done OK with Southampton but they've got good players. I'm not convinced on RdB either.
Ian Burns
16 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:21:36
I have just finished a very interesting article by Erik Dols on Frank de Boer and having read it I posted that Koeman would be my choice - the article caused me to change my mind from De Boer.

Then I flipped to this article and if Koeman REALLY is interested, I'll hire a bus and driver to take the board down to Southampton tomorrow!!!

Jamie McNally
17 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:50:57
LIKE ! ( lots) But think he's playing for better things in his eyes.
Richard Reeves
18 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:57:50
My gut feeling is with De Boer. Knowing our luck Koeman wouldn't be as good for us as he is with Southampton and De Boer would be proving himself with another club. Get on a plane and sign him up!
Jim Bennings
19 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:10:09

Ask any Southampton fan, maybe then you'll get Koeman.

He's worked wonders with a limited budget and taken the team
on to the next level even though it's flogged it's best players on a regular basis.

Shane Corcoran
20 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:15:16
I keep going on to Paddy Power to see the full list of "candidates" and I keep getting the same reaction...................sigh.
Colin Glassar
21 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:18:16
I wonder who's voting for the FSW on the TW poll? Cough up you shameless hussies!!
Jeff Armstrong
22 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:33:39
If you read the article in the red echo, it has no quotes from Koeman or anyone connected with him, in fact the only narrative comes from the journo himself, not even a hint as to where he gets his headline from,other than his own head!
James O'Connell
23 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:55:25
Bill has already rang Neil Warnock
Lee Gorre
24 Posted 12/05/2016 at 22:58:23
Sammy Lee as part of the backroom staff??!
Bill Gall
25 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:03:17
Sign them both then we can go double dutch.
Kieran Kinsella
26 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:04:45
I would get Dave Bassett
John Grills
27 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:06:08
I would be happy with either Koeman or De Boer.

I am delighted rumours seem to centre on these two and not some of the other English managers that have been mentioned.

Steve Woods
29 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:12:58
If this rumour turns out to be fact and he is installed I would be delighted. Does he have to bring Sammy Lee with him though?
John Jones
30 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:13:55
Read the article about deBoer by Eric Dols earlier and Ive been swayed back to Koeman. The only reason I prefered deBoer was that im not sure how long wencould Koeman for before another club comes looking for him.

Give him £100m and he can bring Forster and Wanyama with him.

Colin Glassar
31 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:15:20
We could use him as a ball boy Steve. The lower Gwladys could throw stuff at him
Richard Reeves
32 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:18:03
Koeman is a good manager but I don't see us doing anything special with him in charge, he hasn't been successfully with every job he's had but De Boer's short managerial career has achieved something that hasn't been done before and his win ratio is up there with the best manager's.

It will be a massive opportunity missed if the board play it safe with Koeman. De Boer would inspire the whole squad and bring through this golden generation.

Steve Ferns
33 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:20:03
Why's everyone so enamoured with Koeman? His track record prior to saints was not great. And I don't even think he's been all that for Saints.

On the other hand de boer has won four leagues in Holland. Ajax were in need of rebuilding when he took over too.

David Edwards
34 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:22:16
Sorry - Sammy Lee kills the deal dead - maybe Warwick Davis could take his place!
Steve Woods
35 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:28:37
Good idea Colin now I feel much better!!
John Grills
36 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:29:03
Steve (33) – his recent management form at Feyenoord and at Southampton has been very good. Fair enough, at the beginning of his management career, it wasn't as successful.

For me, he is a big name with a lot of experience who would help attract the kind of quality players we need.

Is he a guarantee of success? No, but he is one of the best chances of delivering it out of the managers who would realistically take up the post.

Danny O'Neill
37 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:31:42
De Boer please.

I like both but prefer the potential of De Boer.

Besides, potential backroom staff off Dennis Bergkamp and Jap Stam vice Sammy Lee.......please!!

Steve Ferns
38 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:35:16
Koeman's record:

Vitesse Arnham - did well enough to get Ajax job
Ajax - won league twice, before resigning due to poor performance.
Benfica - sacked
PSV - won league and left for Valencia
Valencia - sacked
AZ Alkmaar - sacked
Feyenoord - won nothing
Southampton - midtable

This is not the record of a top manager and it is not what we need. He's a journeyman and does not even play good football. I wouldn't trust him with £100m.

De Boer won 4 in a row after rebuilding AJax, but they've gone off the boil the last two years. He's revitalised a struggling Ajax by rebuilding the club from the academy, which always sounds good to me. He also plays nice attractive football.

One from leftfield - Marcelo Bielsa. I banged the drum on him before Martinez got the job. It would be great to see the master coming up against his disciples in Guardiola and Pochettino. Whilst Klopp has stolen every idea he's had from Bielsa's playbook. Why not get El Loco in. He'll make our unfit squad run, run and run, which is the least they deserve after their efforts this season.

Kieran Kinsella
39 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:36:39
Koeman has ants in his pants
Eugene Ruane
40 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:40:28
Noticed Sammy Lee earlier in the season when Southampton scored their 3rd to beat Liverpool 3-2 (after being two down).

If there was anyone in that ground more made-up, I couldn't see them.

Shot out of his seat, face the colour of a turkey cock, fists pumping and running around like a demented little puddin'.

Made me think that the way his contract with Liverpool was terminated, may not have been to his liking.

Jack Convery
41 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:50:31
Having been worn down by RMs Spin I just hope we're not going to get a few seasons of double dutch !!

I just hope the board get it right as another failure may finish me off !

Conor Skelly
43 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:53:47
Sorry Jim, but I'm siding with Steve on this one for the reasons he's alluded to. I also think the squad needs a bastard like Bielsa to slap them out of the lethargy they've become accustomed to while playing football in the land of make-believe.
Chris Bentham
44 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:55:17
If we don't go for mourinho we're not serious. He's gotta be first choice. Winner!
Colin Metcalfe
45 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:56:15
To be honest I like them both , Koeman is the safer option with Premier League experienc but could he break that glass ceiling ?

As a natural risk taker I would rather go for De Boer , let's see what he can do in this league with a bit of cash behind him although I would have to insist either Stam or Bergkamp come as part of the deal .

Having said all that let's not rush into a decision ... Bring them both in and hear what they have to say and that goes for other candidates abiet Mourinho , Pellegrini etc

Peter Carpenter
46 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:57:23
Frank the farmer to replace Bob the builder, the man who persuaded us to invest in a timeshare that never got built.
Dan Davies
47 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:58:05
Koeman not for me sorry. Uninspiring. Can anyone tell me what he has won as a manager?
Robbie Muldoon
48 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:08:10
Koeman v De Boer.

As somebody mentioned earlier, De Boer beat Koeman every season when at Ajax and Feyenoord respectively - and almost head to head in matches too.

Fact the papers have been fed the info must been the two parties have already had informal discussions. I think it would be wrong to not consider De Boer now he is available and doing all he can to get the job.

Koeman hops from club to club and wouldn't be around after 3 years.

De Boer for me.

Steve Ferns
49 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:12:02
3 Dutch titles Dan.
Kristian Boyce
50 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:13:23
Remember it's our board making the decision. So I'm expecting either:

Erwin Koeman or Ronald de Boer

Chris Bentham
51 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:15:22
I would like to see some leadership. A statement from Farhad or the new chief exec saying we have this vision, we weren't happy with results etc. Why did you pay 㿼m, what is the vision?.. New stadium what do you think?? These questions are more important than De Boer or Koeman.
Gavin Johnson
52 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:18:58

Koeman also won the Dutch equivalent of the FA cup (winning the double) while at Ajax and also won the Spanish cup with Valencia as well as the 3 league titles. Apparently De Boar hasn't faired very well in cup competitions which is a slight concern as it's the only real chance of us winning silver wear.

I'd also be happy with De Boar but I think Koeman edges it because he's guided Saints to a very good 7th finish (not mid table) without spending much money. Added to that another top half finish last season when they were predicted to be relegated after the RS bought half their team and he managed to get the remaining players who also wanted to leave to play for him. It's kinda where we are with an exodus of players and unrest in the dressing room.

Tbh I don't know much about De Boar's Ajax's playing style but from the stuff I've read in the couple of days. It's possession based and defensive and the antitheses of what you'd expect from a successful Ajax team. Don't get me wrong I think he'll be a good appointment because it sounds like he's had to use youngsters and had a couple of rebuilds like Koeman. That said, I think Saints play good football and they have the right blend between defensive and attacking play.

So it's close between the two, but Koeman edges it for me.

Steve Ferns
53 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:19:06
Well Ronald and Frank seem to go everywhere together, even Rangers! So Ronald as manager and Frank as his assistant?
Mike Corcoran
54 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:19:22
Lucy Favre is a tactical genius. His work at gladbach under a selling regime was brilliant.
Dan Davies
55 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:19:34
Cheers Steve. As long as he's actually won something but I still think we could do better to be honest but hey whoever gets the job will have my backing until they start talking shit like you know who.
Brin Williams
56 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:21:20
Sounds like Double Dutch to me!
James Lauwervine
57 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:23:02
Is the headline "Koeman get me"?
Stephen Sullivan
58 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:25:38
Regarding Sammy Lee as being (potentially) part of future backroom staff. I have no problem with that. Gave me my first football medal at Maiden Lane football fields, Tuebrook (1975) and, presented medals to my both my sons in recent years at Camp Hill (Woolton).

A great bloke who seems modest and genuine. Not a bad football coach either.

Always more annoying if one of ours joins dark side rather than t'uther way round. For example Beardsley or Sheedy. No regrets with either of those and extra sweet when they get one over on them..

Bob Parrington
59 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:29:29
Why Koeman? What has he really achieved with Southampton? Decent side but nothing to really write home about.
Bill Gall
60 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:40:09
Hope it is not B.K.doing the hiring as the Muppet with the brolly S McClaren is still lurking around.
Kristian Boyce
61 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:52:05
Wasn't Gary Megson Bill's first choice before Moyes was hired? What's he up to now?
Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:54:08
Steven Pienaar was happy to see the back of RM based on his tweets
Robin Cannon
63 Posted 13/05/2016 at 00:59:35
We shouldn't have a #1 choice within hours of firing Martinez.

We shouldn't be in a rush. We should be taking a considered approach and conducting a proper search for the right manager for our needs.

David Barks
64 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:10:36

And what exactly makes you think they haven't been doing the search for weeks? Do you not think that they might have identified Koeman as the top candidate, and are making the move now in order to get him before he either signs a contract extension or goes somewhere else?

Same goes for any other candidate. The writing has been on the wall. The only difference from the past is that it appears that the new owner was working in the background and did what we all wanted, getting rid of him. It would be negligence for a club to not have candidates identified at all time, but especially when the current manager has been poor for 2 plus years.

Clive Lewis
65 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:19:15
I think Koeman is a OK but he is not proven to have done anything, worried we would be happy with mid tableness averageness.

What happened to going for a proven manager whom has managed in Europe, after all isn't that were we need to be.

Just another Martinez type gamble ending with the possibility of I told you so. I always thought the first question would be at any interview is
what have you achieved?

OK nothing , we will take a gamble on you?
Feb up with this approach.

Chris Morris
66 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:32:01
Big job. Needs a ruthless winner and a total rebuild. Here's how I see it:

Robles, Coleman, Browning, Stones, Jags, Mori, Galloway, Baines, Garbutt, Lennon, Oviedo, Mirallas, Delefeou, Barkley, Barry, Mccarthy, Besic, Tarashaj


Osman, Howard, Pienaar, Mcgeady, Gibson, Kone, Niasse (Loan out), Lukaku (keep (boot up arse) if possible but unlikely)


GK, RB, CB, CM, Left winger, Playmaker, X2 Strikers

Steve Woods
67 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:41:12
I was encouraged to hear in the David Prentice video clip for the Echo today, that it was his understanding that Farad Moshiri would be leading the search for the new manager. No mention of Kenwright being involved which could be good news in its own right.

I imagine that Mr. Moshiri will have aligned himself with one or two experienced and knowledgeable football management experts who will be there to help and advise him on a variety of footballing issues the most pressing of which at this time being a shortlist for the vacant position of manager.

Isn't good to have (if the media are to be believed) the likes of de Boer, Koeman and Pellegrini interested in the job.

Clive Lewis
68 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:42:33
OK seems like Koeman might be the best choice just been reading about it now and his defensive stats look good.

Definitely less of a gamble than De Boer. Seems the guy actually knows how to defend being a defender himself.

Changed my mind, just might be a gamble worth taking. Would be OK with this appointment. Better than Pelegrini and the rest mentioned.

Dave Lynch
69 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:51:03
If BK has anything to do with it we'll end up with Ronald MacDonald.

Eugene. I cant get this vision of a Christmas pudding with a Sammy Lee face out of my head now...

David Barks
70 Posted 13/05/2016 at 01:57:57
What I really want to know is what the next manager's ambition is, and what he's done in his career so far. If he wants to win titles, not the odd lucky cup run, but league titles. Has he won league titles?

Koeman seems to have the ambition and has done well with a Southampton squad that is less talented than ours, but performed better. I like his attitude. His playing career is very impressive, and he's managed big clubs and had success. But, he's switched jobs a lot.

Part of me wonders what a man like de Boer might do. Would de-Boer come in believing that he can take this squad, the youth team, plus the money that will be at his disposal and create a team that can go after the title? And would he believe that this is a club that he wants to be with for a considerable number of years?

Dave Lynch
71 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:08:19
That's my worry about Koeman David, if Barca or Real come sniffing he'll be off like a shot.
Saegaran Kana
72 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:11:04
Well well.. how small do we Evertonians think of ourselves? Why Koeman? What has he won as a manager? How well is Southampton doing since he came on? How many finals did they reach?
Please lads, think big. Chance to bring in a winner!! Not an also ran...
Paul Kossoff
73 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:31:49
I read this without my glasses and thought it said 'installed as boss,' I ran down stairs to tell my son Coeman was ours and sprained my big toe, Martinez has gone but he is still affecting my health.
Robin Cannon
74 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:33:06
David (64) - because even if the search has narrowed down a list, it's not a comprehensive search until candidates (more than one) have been spoken to directly, and presented their strategy for achieving long term success at Everton. And no such conversations can have been held yet.
David Barks
75 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:55:46

How the hell do you know that no conversations have been had? These things happen behind the scenes. They don't parade them in front of cameras during a job interview process. They talk with their agents to assess their interest. And it's quite easy to have a conversation over the phone, Skype, gotomeeting, or anything else.

The fact is that if we want a top quality manager, we have to act quickly because if we don't they will go somewhere else. But you're making the mistake of believing that up until today the Board was operating as if Martinez would be the manager next season. There is no way that was the case, they've been making preparations.

David Barks
76 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:58:41
Saegaran 72,

What has he ever won?

Dutch Eredivisie: 2001/02, 2003/04
Dutch KNVB Cup: 2001/02
Dutch Super Cup: 2002
Portuguese Super Cup: 2005
PSV Eindhoven
Dutch Eredivisie: 2006/07
Spanish Copa Del Rey: 2007/08
AZ Alkmaar
Dutch Johan Cruyff Shield: 2009

Robin Cannon
77 Posted 13/05/2016 at 03:06:46
David (75) - Well, such conversations with any employed managers would be disallowed (not that it doesn't happen, of course).

I imagine there may have been preliminary contacts determining interest, and no more. I very much doubt that we've been moving actively to assess options until pretty recently.

There also isn't any great rush. There are no major jobs out there that are vacant right now. Things move a little more slowly during tournament summers, because there's less a manager can do if appointed. The transfer window doesn't open until July 1.

If we were hitting the second half of June without an appointment I'd be worrying. I don't see any need to hire someone in the next week or two.

Alan J Thompson
78 Posted 13/05/2016 at 03:58:59
Why is Simeone missing from the choices for preferred manager?
Dennis Ng
79 Posted 13/05/2016 at 04:08:52
Alan, equally devastated Emery is not popular. Simeone is deemed too far for us by most people. Let's hope at least one sane person at the board level bothered to get in touch with his agent to hear him say "No".
Jay Harris
80 Posted 13/05/2016 at 04:23:46
Totally agree with you about Emery Dennis but Koeman does have a greater knowledge of the Prem and even if he is only here for a few years will build us back up to be amongst the top teams.

The Prem is going to be interesting over the next few years with Klopp, Mourhino?,Guardiola, Conte, Ranieri, Bilic etc so we need to be amongst them with a top class manager.

Dennis Ng
81 Posted 13/05/2016 at 04:52:08
Jay, I don't mind Koeman, just not my first choice. I hope we are very ambitious when we try to hire the new man and give some of the "untouchables" a shot. Emery would be my ideal choice given how he managed to win those Europas despite a huge negative net spend every season. I agree the next few seasons will be interesting. Guardiola is a bit overrated IMO though, and not sure about Conte since Serie A has declined so much. If you know we need a top class manager, why restrict ourselves to De Boer and Koeman (both of whom I am OK with, just not the first and only manager we interview)?
Amit Vithlani
82 Posted 13/05/2016 at 05:51:24
I think Koeman shades it for me. As for his record against us, they did thump us 3-0 in 2014 and we were very lucky during the 1-1 draw at GP a couple of months back. Martinez also engineered two wins against Mourinho but lost twice to Pulis and Hughes. Head to Head records for managers mean nothing.
Andy Osborne
83 Posted 13/05/2016 at 06:18:34
If our motto is something we aspire to, then nothing but the best is good enough. We should start at the top and work down. Who is the most successful manager that is available at the moment, probably Mourinho. Would he come? Who knows, but we should ask. I don't mind Frank de Boer or Ronld Koeman, but I don't think they are the best managers that are currently available. They could be, but it's a gamble.
At the end of the day, if we want to challenge for champions league places, we should start that process now. Aim high. If Mourinho leaves after to or three seasons, but we are regular top 4 or top 5 finishers, then other successful managers will want to follow him.
We have to rebuild our reputation, we know we are a big club, but others don't see that....yet!
Laurie Hartley
85 Posted 13/05/2016 at 06:58:20
I hope the board are going to have a long hard think about this. They must get it right this time.

We certainly don't want the papers (established order) making the choice for us.

Here is a question that popped into my mind when thinking who I would prefer as the next Everton manager.

If the long term future of the club depended on this appointment who would I pick to take over the current squad, sort it out, get it fit and get it playing again? :-

De Boer

It might cost an extra £20m but personally I'd be getting on the phone to the special one. You will never know if you don't have a go.

Mourhino is a "perfect fit" for Everton.

Guy Hastings
86 Posted 13/05/2016 at 07:24:42
Ah, the '£100m warchest' - is that made up of Stones for £50m and Lukaku for £50m or on top of their exit fees? RM may be gone but still the same old same old when it comes to transfer budget, I suspect.
James Byrne
87 Posted 13/05/2016 at 07:24:43
Why isn't Steve McLaren being considered..........he speaks Dutch ;-)))
Sam Hoare
88 Posted 13/05/2016 at 07:46:07
Lots of people on here saying De Boer and Koeman etc not ambitious enough without suggesting who is?!

Perhaps the board have approached the likes of Mourinho and Simeone but they are unlikely options at best. Who else is there? The list isn't that long...

Emery looks decent but failed in his only stint out of Spain. No manager is without blemishes.

If you're gonna rubbish other people's choices then at least come up with an alternative so people can rubbish you!

Paul Smith
89 Posted 13/05/2016 at 07:56:55
Simeone??? A suggestion too far for me. I'm realistic not deluded. We have money (a modest amount), not won fuck all in years, a decrepit ground. Yes, we have potential and a great fan base, but can't see that being enough to attract a manager of his calibre.

As for Ronald, well he's won fuck all but Pottichino hasn't been so bad has he?

Ian Burns
90 Posted 13/05/2016 at 07:57:46
Went to bed thinking Koeman; woke up thinking De Boer; had my coffee thinking Mourinho; let my cornflakes go soggy thinking Emery. I feel so much better this morning, EFC is alive again!
Joe O'Brien
91 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:10:52
I'd go with De Bore. Was always going for Koeman but he does seem to hop about a bit. If he did well with us, he'd be off in a shot if barca or a similar size club came in for him.
Either would be good appointments tho..don't want Mourinho near our club
Colin Glassar
92 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:12:15
No manager, whoever he is, can guarantee us success. Not Mourinho, nor Simeone, Koeman, De Boer, beneathus, OFM, no one, absolutely no one. So whoever is appointed will face enormous pressure to succeed.
John Crawley
93 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:12:42
Sam, Emery wasn't really given a fair shot in Moscow. His record was won 9, drawn 2, lost 6. I think he made a mistake going there in the first place. He's a top manager and is streets ahead of Koeman. Favre is a better manager in my opinion than Koeman, he's available.
If you look at Koeman's managerial record it's not great, the two biggest jobs he had Valencia and Benefica didn't go that well (Valencia was an outright disaster, 18% win rate in league, falling out with top players). I want to see a manager who has regularly performed better than you would expect, Koeman hasn't. I think handing him a big budget and big expectations has potential to go horribly wrong.
Ernie Baywood
94 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:15:02
Emery's overseas record is awful, but we like him?
Joe O'Brien
95 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:29:14
Exactly Ian, isn't it brilliant even having this conversation and not checking every two minutes to see if RM is gone yet
Colin Glassar
96 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:36:51
It'll probably come down to who's the cheapest option if you-know-who has anything to do with it. Roberto will walk away with a hefty golden handshake. Koeman is under contract so that could be expensive. Mourinho and Pellegrini were earning much more than Roberto so that could put them out of the running.

So that leaves free agents; De Boer and OFM. De Boer it is then.

Brian Williams
97 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:43:15
Announcing Koeman as our new manager would be excellent news!!

Colin I'm gonna rename you "Colin Glasser Half Empty" if you carry on with your negativity.

Cheer up man the first step in the right direction has been taken, This aint the time to keep having pops at anyone you can. Be happy enjoy the good news.

Barry McNally
98 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:46:59
James 87, very good!
Simon Bates
99 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:47:51
I had a feeling Pellegrini was already coming over a month ago. I think whilst Man City still have something to play for, he's the type to want no more bombshells to disrupt their preparations for Swansea.

Interesting times, but they must get this right: Premier League winners only... that narrows it down nicely – a two-horse race.

John Crawley
100 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:48:10
Ernie 94 you can't judge Emery on 17 games in Russia. He wasn't awful he had a win record of 53%. As I said above he made a mistake going to Russia he should have stayed in one of the top league with a club that didn't have a trigger finger.
Iain Latchford
101 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:49:39
It looks like we're going Dutch with either Koeman or de Boer.

We need to be careful though. De Boer may get the hump if we make it clear Koeman is the number one choice. If Koeman then turns us down we're could end up in a bit of a hole.

I'd just go for de Boer from the off. He clearly wants the job, and I think that means a lot. No point just throwing money at Koeman if his heart isn't 100% in it.

Andrew Clare
102 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:58:31
The fact that by all accounts Kenwright wanted to persevere with Martinez but Moshiri over ruled him gives me hope that we won't go for the cheapest option when it comes to hiring a new manager.
This is a very important decision so spending big money now could reap huge dividends later.
We must make sure we get the right man.
Someone that the players will respect,someone who will accept only the best,someone with more than one game plan and above all else someone who is a winner.
I would like Moshiri to make another statement about our ambitions as a club. I expect him to do this when the new manager is announced.
Hopefully now Kenwright is yesterday's man and he will no longer be involved in the big decisions as his track record in running a football club is abysmal.
Let's go get the right guy this time.
Joe McMahon
103 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:05:30
Dave (71) we have to remember that Moyes staying for as long as 11 years isn't the norm for any manager, unless they win lots of silverware etc. Moyes would still be here if it were up to Kenwright, bleeding 4 million a year off us.
Jon Withey
104 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:06:05
Koeman has prem experience - of the youngish managers in the prem I'd for for pochettino then koeman - so a yes from me. Bilic might end up with 2nd season syndrome.
Charles Barrow
105 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:06:35
Must be De Boer. If Koeman is not really interested then forget him. We need someone who really wants to be here and to make a name for himself and the club. Not Pellegrini or Benitez who want the job cos its convenient to where they live.
Sam Hoare
106 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:14:40
John 93, I'm sure that's true though the point remains he's only had success in his home country.

My main point is that every manager represents a risk and there are no guarantees. There are many on here dismissing X or Y for this reason and that without coming up with a better solution...because there aren't any. It's all a lottery.

Any one of De Boer, Koeman, Pellegrini, Emery etc might come in and Ranieri or Juande Ramos.

I think Koeman has done a very good job in our league for the last 2 years with a team in a similar position and that's why he gets my vote ahead of those untested in the Prem.

Alan Bodell
107 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:15:27
Paul Whitehouse has thrown his hat in the ring.
Mike Green
108 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:19:59
Current Situation.

Historic club with an excellent local fanbase, backed up on a national and global basis. A founder member of the original football league and the Premier League – holding the record for spending the least time (4years) out of the top flight. One of the most decorated clubs in English football history but has not won, or seriously challenged for honours for over 20 years. Has withered from a powerhouse of English football to an “also-ran” at best through lack of investment and missed opportunities, particularly in the case of moving from, or developing, their famous spiritual home, which sadly is increasingly looking unfit for purpose. With a key investor now on board and significant revenues coming in via TV deals Everton Football Club appear to have the chance to finally push on as a club, though the competition around them now, from some of the worlds biggest clubs and smaller clubs with matching investment of their own, is immense. The club has a much lauded playing staff seen to have great potential but many of these are either still learning their trade, or are at the end of their careers. Currently managerless the next incumbent would inherit a mixed bag of demoralised players, their job will be to release those no longer wanted, keep those with the most potential and have the ability to rebuild team morale and fill the significant gaps inbetween with the quality that could make a push for Europe and silverware without the budget of the super rich clubs around them in the richest league in world football.


Moshiri needs to take full control of the club and dig deep to invest in a serious world class solution to the clubs ground issues. More importantly, in the short term, he needs to appoint a manager who is either a proven winner, or an up-and-coming starlet who can coach and attract the players to firstly keep them in the league, but ultimately elevate the club to challenge for Champions League football and domestic honours.

Managerial Shortlist

Jose Mourinho

Gus Hiddink

Frank De Boer

Laurie Hartley
109 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:20:29
It is true that no new manager, regardless of past form, will guarantee success. What you can do however is play the percentages:

Mourinho wins 66.01% in 765 matches over a 15 year period. Proven track record ( as opposed to our last appointment)

If you want to go down the "cheap" road we could do worse than stick with Joe Royle with David Unsworth as his understudy and Kevin Sheedy stepping up as the under 21's coach.

They know the club, they know the young talent coming through, and they are all fighters.

Whether Joe Royle would want the top job I am not sure but he certainly has the experience and man management skills.

This is worth a listen if you have half an hour:

Kevin Rudge
110 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:22:15
I'm just not getting the Koeman love in going on here. He won the Dutch title with Ajax 10 years ago and his honours since? A Spanish Cup win at Valencia, and a lot of short stays and sackings.

He has done well with Southampton but Mike Walker did better with Norwich and we snapped him up so on that basis; his Premier League experience is really nothing to write home about. Have Southampton featured in any of the cups at any point in his tenure?

I'd take De Boer over Koeman but for me I'd take Cocu over both of them after pipping De Boer to the title in spite of losing his two best performers from last season in Depay and Wijnaldum.

A gamble, but wasn't Pochettino when he arrived on these shores? And he seems to have done quite well.

Nick Page
111 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:22:57
Get Mourinho in NOW

FdB is way too risky for the current situation, IMHO

Iain Latchford
112 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:23:49
It's not going to be Joe Royle and David Unsworth. That just isn't going to happen.
Martin O'Sullivan
113 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:26:41
I don't share the enthusiasm for koeman. Still think we can aim higher and there is better stock available out there than him, not convinced what he's done at Southampton and he's not got enough in his locker to convince me he's a winner. NSNO is what we need to follow.
Colin Glassar
114 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:31:40
I'm just going to relax for a few days and enjoy all the speculation and gossip. After such a traumatic season I think we all deserve a breather.
Brin Williams
115 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:37:10
Colin 114 'I think we all deserve a breather.'

Hear hear!!

Christy Ring
116 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:59:35
Koeman has been very impressive at Southampton, don't forget when all his top players were sold, weren't they tipped for relegation?. With £100m to spend, who knows what he'd do.
He's my first choice, but I hope De Boer gets an interview as well, and then decide, and don't let Kenwright and Elstone, anywhere near the boardroom.

Fran Mitchell
118 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:09:19
Can't be de Boer, independent of his performance, seeing people incessantly writing de Bore will drive me to the nut house.

George Cumiskey
119 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:13:25
Please don't mention Pellegrini – he's just Martinez in sheep's clothing! I like Koeman but I also like De Boer, there's only one thing for it – fight!!!
Paul Burns
120 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:13:29
The last thing we need is to charge in and appoint the latest big new thing. We have to get this appointment right and get a proven winner.

In my view, Koeman would be taking an enormous risk. Unpopular as he is, Benitez is a winner and an organisational genius, much as I despise him but that can change by putting trophies on the table.

Petty vendettas and sniping will keep us were we are, nowhere. I want a winner and don't care about his past, only what he achieves for us.

David Hallwood
121 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:14:02
Any manger will be a gamble. Imagine being a Leicester fan last year and you've just heard that Ranieri has just been appointed after a disastrous spell in Greece; how many oh FFS would you be posting.

So on that I'd welcome any of the names mentioned and knowing BK if we go Dutch he'll probably expect them to pay half the bills.

Quick story about Sammy Lee: I was in the Continental one night(remember it?) trying to chat up this absolute stunner and she said she was his girlfriend so I replied well if you're into fat ginger midgets I've got no chance..... That was the end of a beautiful friendship

Fran Mitchell
122 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:18:02
Koeman has done a great Job at Southampton. He built on the good work started by Pochettino, when everyone expected them to crumble.

Also, the idea that we should get a 'proven title winner' is a little short-sighted. Many a proven title winner are no longer top quality managers, many won because they had huge budgets.

We need a proven manager. Martinez won the FA Cup and we wrongly used that to overlook the obvious flaws in his make up.

Koeman has his teams playing well, he has overcome big players leaving, he is good in the transfer market, he is well respected internationally, and very importantly, he has been successful in arresting bad form.

This season was a big test for him (2nd season) and there was a short spell when it appeared they were going backwards, but he made a couple of changes and now they are on course for an improved league finish.

He may well be here for just 2/3 seasons, as if he is successful then he may well be picked up by a bigger team. But if he leaves us in a stronger position then great, if he has done good enough for bigger teams to headhunt him then that promises a good couple of seasons.

Ian Burns
123 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:19:11
Colin - 114 - Yes I agree we all need a breather - but come on this is fun compared the postings of recent months. Koeman/De Boer; Emery; Mourinho - loving it.
Thomas Lennon
124 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:34:24
The appointment of Benitez makes a lot of sense, that would make him a 'Toffee Raffa'?
Steve Byles
125 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:40:20
This is the opportunity to make a statement.

We need a proven winner with an international reputation.
We need a disciplinarian who will kick this squad into shape.
We need someone who can attract the top talent.

For me there are only two choices: Mourinho or Benitez.

Phil Sammon
126 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:46:16
What a time to be looking for a manager. We really are spoiled for choice with so many quality gaffers available in our hour of need. If we come out of this with Mark Hughes at the helm, I'll fucking lose it.
Paul Burns
127 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:46:21
The rumour that Kenwright wanted to persist with Martinez tells us all we need to know about this lunatic. Has to be the next to be forced out.
Andrew Lightfoot
128 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:51:06
Forster and Ward-Prowse have signed new contracts at Saints. Anything to be read into that?
Iain Latchford
129 Posted 13/05/2016 at 10:54:05
Southampton have lost 11 games this season. Up until 2 weeks ago that was the same as us.
Andy Walker
130 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:14:22
My tuppance worth:

1 Mourinho

2 Rafa

3 Koeman

Mourinho is I suspect a dream though.

Damian Wilde
131 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:18:35
Jose has no class. Also he would not care about our youth system and club as a whole. He'd stay a tear ir two then do one.

Never happening. He'll want a CL club.

Kevin Tully
132 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:20:37
Hopefully we can get someone in position early to plan our pre-season, work on transfer targets and take a look at the current squad.

There is a tremendous amount of work to be done this summer, with so many players coming to the end of their contracts. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say we will need to sign at least 10 new first team players.

I'm also hoping we can sort out more additions behind the scenes, even a director of football. The days of BK choosing transfer targets with a grateful lower League manager are behind us. Get a big name in, a decent backroom staff and let's start at least looking like we are planning for next season. Massive summer incoming!

Nigel Gregson
133 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:27:15
no thanks - and I wont blame any new guy tearing down the youth system. The last two years we've been giving enough chances to youth and no future manager will see any upside in getting sacked for taking that risk again.
Andy Walker
134 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:47:54
I don't think the priority is the development of youth at the moment. For me it's about getting a world class manager in asap that will send a powerful message to the rest of the league, our players and fans and gives us the maximimun chance of coming out of the blocks flying at the beginning of next season.

No second raters this time please Mosh.

George Cumiskey
135 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:51:00
I can't believe the luvvie had anything to do with the sacking, he would've cried a river of tears if he had to sack his best buddy (What a manager!) Martinez.

Let's hope Moshiri is putting his stamp on the club. And why do people keep mentioning Hiddink? He's a dinosaur and has done nothing at Chelsea!

Alan J Thompson
137 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:03:56
Dennis(#79); I'm quite over nice guys and would love to see someone so passionate about his side winning that he would get the ballboy to throw on a ball to break down an opposition attack. Ya gotta luvv a winna!
Dan Aspinall
139 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:25:54
People arguing against Mourinho saying he'd only stay a year or two... so what? If he gets top 4 and in the mix does it matter?

I think the guy is a first class prick but he's got to be first choice if he'd consider it. Just imagine the shockwaves...

Martin Mason
140 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:27:15
My own preference would be Koemans and he's proven at EPL level but let nobody underestimate the risk of a new manager whoever it is.

My big criticism of BK is also over now, he has again acted with the needs of the club at the forefront and accept his own mistake. He's not the long term Director the club needs but I'm sure he knows that too. I think it was me calling BK the Fat Controller that finally got Martinez sacked.

Andy Osborne
141 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:33:04
Mourinho won't have a CL club option, unless Man Utd get fourth and sack LVG. Only other CL vacancy is PSG, which I would think is not enough of a challenge for him. I think this managerial appointment should make a statement of intent. I don't care if Mourinho only stays for a couple of years as long as he gets the team firing up the table. If after two years we finish in the top four, our next manager search will be a lot easier, with a lot more candidates to choose from. It would be nice to get a manager in for the next five years, but I am happy doing it in stages.
Andy Osborne
142 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:36:13
I also think the 100 million war chest will be new money. If Lukaku and Stones leave, I think there will be more. First job for threw manager will be to convince those two to stay and to start playing well again. If they don't stay, no loss, because if it is Mourinho, he will be able to attract suitable replacements, probably for less that we would sell them for.
Anyway, a very interesting few weeks ahead, I'm looking forward to it.
Patrick Murphy
143 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:36:24
Martin (140) I think that Bill was pushed into making the decision that most fans wanted him to make, ultimately it would appear that Mr Moshiri's views were to rid the club of the Spaniard.

it was intimated in the Guardian that Bill was digging in his heels regarding the manager and only caved in at the last minute. Had it been left to Bill alone, Roberto would still be in the Everton hot-seat. I hope that Mr Moshiri has significant input into the next appointment otherwise we'll end up with Eddie Howe or the return of the prodigal son.

I do however agree with you regarding the next appointee, nothing is guaranteed and I hope they adhere to some of my thoughts on the subject Post (281) on the "who could replace Martinez" thread.

David Greenwood
144 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:42:25
Ha Martin. That made me laugh out loud. BK has again acted with the needs of the club at the forefront. Genuine laugh out loud moment.

BK keeping his man for way longer than we should have has cost us millions in league places.

Also costing us millions was his decision to give Bobby an unnecessary contract extension.

Comedy gold Martin.

Martin Mason
145 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:45:31
Dave@144, I do have my tongue firmly in my cheek.
David Greenwood
146 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:47:33
Thank god for that Martin!!!
Nick Entwistle
147 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:50:33
Maybe said above, but I'm not sure why Koeman would leave Southampton. Financially sound, modern progressive club, productive youth set up, new stadium, closer to London to attract the players.
Dennis Ng
148 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:51:01
Alan 137, then Emery is your guy then. He dumped Deulofeu after he appeared to be a spoilt brat at Sevilla LOL
John Keating
149 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:57:42
it was your hero that has put us into this mess.
Bill appointed him on a very nice deal and after the first season extended and improved his contract - why ??
The writing was on the wall half way through Martinez' second season and Bill should have acted then and got rid, but no apparently that's not the "Everton Way" ???? Whatever that is.
So we completely wasted yet another season when the league is so open we missed a great chance.
Now fan pressure has forced the Board to act and now the Club have to pay this charlatan millions as a pay off !!
The Club - Moshiri - should make Bill pay Martinez' pay off out of the millions Bill has pocketed out of his share sale.
By the way if your hero is such a saviour of the Club, and is actually the Worlds Greatest Evertonian, you should suggest he use the windfall he received from Moshiri buy Finch Farm back and give it back to the Club.
That'll prove he's not just another guy out for himself.
Christy Ring
150 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:57:56
David 144# Agree completely,it seems Bill was being his arrogant self, digging his heels in for ' What a manager ', Moshiri thankfully used his common sense and made the right decision.
Martin (140) BK deserves no credit whatsoever.
Martin Mason
151 Posted 13/05/2016 at 12:58:12
Nick@147, BK has told him that Walton is the Liverpool equivalent of Mayfair or Chelsea
Damian Wilde
152 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:03:23
Are you a BK fan, Martin?
John Pickles
153 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:08:06
Looking to tempt Koeman with a £100m summer warchest..

What they are not going to tell him, is that it's from selling Lukaku, Stones and Barkley.

Andrew Ellams
154 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:11:11
Nick @147 because that is what Koeman does. He gets itchy feet every couple of years and for that reason I think we should look elsewhere.
Iain Latchford
155 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:21:29
I've been reading about De Boer. It seems that in his first 4 seasons Ajax played attacking, pressing football leading them to the title 4 times on the bounce (never achieved before). However in the last 2 seasons they have reverted to slow possession football akin to what we've been seeing with Martinez, by the sounds of it. The fans were saying that this was because over that time they have slowly lost most of their best players, and he was doing what he needed to do to try keep Ajax at the top with an inferior squad.

Does that make him a risk? Maybe. However, it seems when he does have talent at his disposal he can play the type of football we all want to see.

Tom Bowers
156 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:25:32
The media speculation is no better than ours, the everyday fan.
The question is how ambitious is Moshiri ?
Does he spend big to buy out an existing, successful mangers contract or go for one who is looking for a job.
Of course there is no guarantee about any replacement having an immediate impact if any.
Many fans had voiced their concerns when Martinez was appointed and so it proved eventually he didn't fit the bill although many of us thought for a while he was a big improvement over Moyes but he just flattered to deceive.
I would be hesitant about Koeman especially if he is willing to just jump ship at Southampton at the drop of a hat for that doesn't sound good to me.
De Boer might be a better option although some success in the Dutch league isn't really a big plus.
I would prefer a more seasoned man from one of the more competitive leagues in England, Germany or Italy.

Kieran Kinsella
157 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:37:24
This summer Everton are going to partner with Mark Burnett on a show called Top Toffee. Working class locals (plumbers, firemen etc) get to lead training sessions at Finch Farm. Each week a panel of experts: Howard Wilkinson, Preki and Simon Cowell, will "red card" the weakest performer. Last man standing replaces Martinez.
Matt Garen
158 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:37:47
I don't agree fan pressure has forced the board to act on anything. For 2 reasons, firstly regardless of ToffeeWeb a few hundred dissenting fans out of 30,000 + and a banner behind a plane every couple of months wouldn't even constitute a debate at board level. 2. This decision was made by an astute business looking to protect and build on his recent substantial investment. If BK was still captain of the ship you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance Martinez would be planning for next season. They have utter contempt for the fans and will make decisions based on their views on what the best thing is for the business and nothing else.
Jim Burns
159 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:39:00
They are all risks to one degree or another some more than others. I have to laugh when I hear the likes of Benitez and Mourinho being cited as realistic choices - neither of them would dare to risk their reputations ( such as they are ) unless there was a massive and bottomless spending budget - the likes of which only the biggest clubs or the stupidest ( Newcastle).

I personally wouldn't let either of them near our club - totally self obsessed and unpleasant characters who have to buy their way through whichever club they taint.

Of those realistically on show I would say Koeman - he's proved himself in the Premier League, seems to have a real steadying influence, has played successfully at the highest level, and has had to rebuild Southampton with limited funds at least twice after his squad was ripped apart by the big spenders.

He would be a good choice for the next step up with a few bob to spend and a solid foundation to start with.

For those who say he could eventually be tempted away by one of the big three in Europe - that would apply to any manager we could realistically attract if he were to achieve success here.

Isnt it great to be talking about these options now - it feels like we've had a massive blast of cold mint air blown through our arse.

John Ford
160 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:46:58
Jim B I don't see how Benitez coming to us from a championship side would tarnish his reputation. He would have a decent transfer pot here, with a new owner, in an area he knows well. The Liverpool connection is a problem and I never understood his need to scribble in his pad whenever a goal was scored. It did appear arrogant but I'm not really bothered provided we have a team who look like they can challenge for pots.
Kristian Boyce
161 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:52:26
I love that people are writing off Koeman, saying he hasn't done anything at Southampton. I think people have very short memories. When he came in at St. Mary's the club was in an absolute mess. One of the favourites to go down after a summer of upheaval with the manager going and half the team leaving for the shite. There were jokes of him not having any players even to take on their pre-season tour. We are going to be in just as bad of a mess with potentially a large number heading out of the door with transfers and coming to the end of contracts. Actually we are probably even more screwed up as that Southampton team finished on a high the year before and there was some positives in the club, completely opposite to us.
He led them to a top half finish that season and was in with a shout for the top 5 this year. Martinez has left an complete and utter mess of a team, and a club as a whole. Whoever comes in has a massive job to get us back on track, otherwise I'm worried about a relegation fight on our hand next season. I feel Koeman would do a good job putting things right as he's had the experience from Southampton. My personal choice is Hiddink to come in for 1-2 years to completely steady the ship and set us up for a top manager to come in after the mess has been fixed.
Patrick Murphy
162 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:58:16
Matt (158) Perhaps you haven't seen the 3,000 away supporters chanting for Roberto's removal at Leicester City or even more relevant the 2,000 fans who didn't even bother to buy tickets for Roberto's final game in charge at Sunderland. I don't know whether the fans influenced the board's decision or not, but they would be pretty ignorant if they hadn't have considered what a fair portion of the fan-base thought.

I do agree with you that if it had have been left to Mr Kenwright alone, Roberto would be at FF for the pre-game press conference and who knows have remained at the club to the beginning of next season.

I do hope that the board are making strategically savvy decisions based on facts rather than emotions, that will be a start for the club to begin it's long climb back to where it should be, however, the fans opinions do matter in the long run, even if they are not always taken into account.

Kieran Kinsella
163 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:03:16
It's been a decade since Benitez was any good. He broke up Houlliers team with worse and worse signings like Aquilani. He failed at Inter, failed at Madrid, started ok at Napoli then went downhill and after "turning around" Newcastle he saw them relegated after presiding over a 0-0 draw with Vila.
John Crawley
164 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:05:58
Sam 106, he's had success in Europe as well as Spain. He took over Valencia after the disaster of Koeman who took them into the relegation zone before being sacked. Here are some comments from a Valencia fans blog regarding his first season thereafter he'd taken over from Koeman: "Emery's first season and he faced huge problems with players not getting payed and mounting pressure from all sides as Valencia's future was not even certain at that point. He had to work with the youthful Mata, the emerging Silva and with shattered spirits of the remaining veterans at Valencia.
Somehow amid all the chaos Unai Emery managed to regulate the sporting department and steer the club slowly but steadily to 6th place finish in the standings and allowed Valencia to go to the Uefa cup.

The season was hard and conditions were bad, the club was in meltdown, but the players with Emery at the helm managed to get to the respectable 6th place finish, an incredible feature if you ask me at that point in time, with Mata playing his best season than looking from this point of time and the continuity of several of Valencia's veterans int the next season. "
He did all that at the age of 37/38, if he can cope in those circumstances he'll be fine in the Premier League.
If you looked at Koeman's record before coming to the premier league you wouldn't have taken him on.

Martin Mason
165 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:08:35

Not sure that you can be a fan of an individual but no, I have no unconditional support for BK. What I do is occasionally defend him from some of the ridiculous accusations that are levelled at him on here by people who plainly don't have a clue of how businesses are run and of what BK has actually done or not done at the club. Fair criticism is fine and I support any fair and constructive criticism.

Matt Garen
166 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:09:44
Aim for the top and work down;
Mourinho and Simeone are about as likely as Rolf Harris becoming a licenced childminder so for me the next in line has the following c.v.
Segunda División promotion: 1997–98
Segunda División promotion: 2000–01
La Liga: 2001–02, 2003–04
UEFA Cup: 2003–04
FA Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2005
Inter Milan
Supercoppa Italiana: 2010
FIFA Club World Cup: 2010
UEFA Europa League: 2012–13
Coppa Italia: 2013–14
Supercoppa Italiana: 2014
Individual awards
La Liga Best Coach: 2002
UEFA Manager of the Year: 2003–04, 2004–05
LMA Special Merit Award: 2006
Premier League Manager of the Month (6): November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013
But we wouldn't want him because he called Everton a smaller club than Liverpool nearly a decade ago (to which Moyes agreed), in the meantime Everton have acted like a smaller club in every conceivable way and have won the square root of fuck all. RS are still in love with him so it would be comical to see their reaction if nothing else.
Max Murphy
167 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:23:14
Tony #12.
Another clip you'll enjoy. Everton v Man Utd August 1967. United game to Goodison 1st game of season as current Champions. Great movement by Alex Young in second half. There was more passion, committment and no backward passes in that 14 odd minutes clip, than we've seen in 3 years from Martinz' Everton side.
Iain Latchford
168 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:44:01
BBC rolling update says Koeman is "not interested in Everton move". Whether that means not interested in talking about it, or not interested full stop I'm not sure.
John Keating
169 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:48:28
Matt 158
if you don't agree than fan power has any influence whatsoever then why sack Martinez when they did ?
Mike Keating
170 Posted 13/05/2016 at 14:54:45
Iain - also confirmed by the Guardian - Koeman staying put.
Iain Latchford
171 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:03:22
I said another thread that I thought Koeman would try and put in another good season with Southampton, then go for the Arsenal job when it comes up next summer. Maybe that's what he's thinking.
Jim Hardin
173 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:18:11
Koeman and De Boer are good solid B list choices when no A-listers want to come. Thing is they will still be there for a few weeks so make a run at the A-listers first.

The focus on Emery's performance at one club in Russia and ignoring the rest of the CV is convenient but misleading. He currently manages in the league with three of the top teams in it. Plus, he has won back to back Europa Cup titles and in the final again. That says more to me about his skill versus other good teams in Europe than winning the Dutch title 4 times.

If the only other qualification, other than apparently being Dutch, is only that the manager must win his league, no matter if it is a second tier one, then might I expect Bruce Arena to be added to the list? International coaching experience with USMNT and 5 MLS titles. Seems to check the boxes other than nationality and he can speak American, which is a widley recognized derivative of actual Queen's English. Plus, fitness (other than freaking Stevie G) is not an issue for his teams.

Martin O'Sullivan
174 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:19:20
Koeman with 27% of the next manager vote, is everyone on acid or something?? We will not move up a level or attract top players whilst we are out of European completion with him at the helm. Maurinho has the name and pulling power to doing this and we can afford him. No brainier for me. We can't afford to gamble on this and need to get it right whoever it may be. But maurinho is my shout!!
Patrick Murphy
175 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:19:44
I wouldn't expect any manager of any club to answer "oh yeah right, I'm off as soon as I'm able." Koeman may well remain at Southampton for a long long time and that seems more likely given two of their players Ward-Prowse and Forster have signed new contracts with the Saints. However, money in football talks and whilst we are not among the very richest clubs we will have more clout than we have had for a very very long time. I'm not fussed on who becomes the Everton manager as long at they get the best out of our players and realise that we love good football, but it has to be winning football too.

Roll on the announcement when it happens.

Barry Connor
177 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:43:53
Jim (#173), be careful what you wish for as regards Arena. Someone at the club might take you up on it!!!

Seriously though, whoever comes is not going to guarantee success. Even Mourinho failed with multi-million (x 10) players just a year after winning the League.

This guy Emey interests me as clearly he is operating in a league which is dominated by money-is-no-object teams and yet has managed to win a European trophy two years in succession and has steered them to the final again this year. That implies that they have been consistently at a high level in the Spanish League, so he isn't a one-season wonder.

Unfortunately he is Spanish, so I guess the "once bitten, twice shy" factor will kick in with the Board after Martinez!

Andrew Clare
178 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:47:05
Yes it's true Unai Emery does manage in the best league in the world which arguably has the three best teams in the world a present.
He would be the real deal for me. Tactically adept, passionate and animated on the touch line with a great CV.
Paul Kossoff
179 Posted 13/05/2016 at 15:52:12
Kieran (#157), please send that to Kenwright, I can just see his face light up saying 'What a brilliant idea!'
Paul Andrews
181 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:07:23
Matt Garen,

I would have Benitez as manager without a second thought.

He won't be our manager though. He is too emotionally tied in to them.

Damian Wilde
182 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:14:39
I'd like Emery - but why would he come to us??
Jay Wood
183 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:35:34
Matt @ 166.

"Mourinho and Simeone are about as likely as Rolf Harris becoming a licenced childminder."

Putting aside your cringeworthy simile, I can't help but be amused that you dismiss the likelihood of Mourinho and Simeone joining us so glibly, but then go to such lengths to big up Benitez.

That would be Rafa Benitez, who started the season as Real Madrid manager, yet was recruited to manager the barcodes with just 10 games remaining when they were firmly entrenched in the bottom three, outside the transfer window so unable to recruit new players, in complete disarray and with a far more impoverished squad than Everton possess.

Money talks in professional sport Matt. Don't dismiss so quickly the most unlikely of candidates who can be attracted by rich renumeration, the promise of a healthy transfer budget and a crop of players in urgent need of the most basic of football tenets a talented manager can quickly put right.

And like it or not, but Benitez is too tainted to be considered for the manager's position at Everton.

Eugene Ruane
184 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:52:27
Martin - 'Dave@144, I do have my tongue firmly in my cheek.'

Must make a nice change from up Kenwright's 1950s style tea-towel holder.

James Hughes
185 Posted 13/05/2016 at 17:19:42
Matt #166 no disrespect to you personally, but take your list of Benitez achievements and shove it up your ass.
The RS always 'joke' that there are two teams on Merseyside, them and their reserves. So I don't want their sacked managers anywhere near our club. I don't care if he insulted us a decade ago or a century ago he is not to sit in our manager's office.
John Crawley
186 Posted 13/05/2016 at 19:01:28
Dennis 79 I'm sure Emery's popularity will increase significantly if Sevilla beat Liverpool next Wednesday evening!
Roberto Birquet
187 Posted 13/05/2016 at 20:01:20
is that £100 mln from sales of Lukaku and Stones, or on top? And yeah, I know half goes on wages
Matt Garen
188 Posted 13/05/2016 at 21:32:44
James I just want a successful manager at the club and his CV is second to none. Players move from rival club to club, who would have thought Owen would end up at utd? I just think of the realistic options, of which Mourinho and Simeone are not, he should not be discounted. All that said I can see it wouldn't go down well across the board.
Damian Wilde
189 Posted 13/05/2016 at 21:39:22
Benetiz - no chance.

Would love Emery, but he wouldn't come to us.

Krid Hall
190 Posted 13/05/2016 at 23:16:39
As an Amsterdam-based blue, I've had to watch this season's debacle unfold from afar, managing just two live games this season (we lost both!). That doesn't make me any less passionate than the tens of thousands of blues that attend the games week in, week out.

I'm not here to agree or disagree with what's been said before; I'm here to champion RKs credentials. When he took over at Feyernoord he did so with the club on the brink of bankruptcy. He turned to youth (which we are very good at, as are Feyernoord) and managed two second place finishes in his two seasons in charge (harder than you think).

He has international pedigree, knows what it's like to win trophies, is a shrewd tactian that balances attack with defence and, when it really matters, knows how to find a hole in the wall (no turnip jokes please).

He's proven himself more than capable in the EPL and, at a time when money is of no object, has an excellent track record of bringing in the right sort of player. He is, in my opinion, the perfect fit.
Terence Tyler
191 Posted 14/05/2016 at 11:36:08
Odds shortening on Mourinho. see odds checker

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