Martinez: We didn’t show up

by | 08/05/2016  154 Comments  [Jump to last]

Roberto Martinez blamed his players' lack of focus and intensity for a "really disappointing" performance at the King Power Stadium today.

Everton fell behind after just five minutes when Jamie Vardy swept home an unchallenged cross from the right and never recovered, conceding on two more occasions before Vardy missed a second penalty and the chance to notch a hat-trick on Leicester's big day.

The Foxes were crowned champions after the final whistle following a 3-1 win that underlined their status as deserving title winners but Martinez was left to reflect on another awful result and, with the exception of Matthew Pennington, he offered no defence for his charges' efforts.

“[It was] very poor,” Martinez admitted to Sky Sports after the game. “Obviously we were very aware that we were facing a team that had incredible momentum and we've seen why they are the Champions.

“They've got that intent, the work ethic, the way they get into your box and we never showed up.

“That's the disappointment. We wanted to win the three points [but] we had no concentration. The defending of our box was [non-existent]. As a performance it's a real disappointment.

“We've never performed like this away from home when we've had a real need to get the points,” Martinez continued, overlooking the debacle at Anfield when the team arguably needed a result more than at any stage this season, playing at Anfield four days before a cup semi-final. “It was a really, really poor performance. Only young Matty Pennington applied himself with an incredible desire and intensity and [nobody else] on the pitch matched him."

The performance was unacceptable. I don't think you can expect to go to a football game and just feel that you can turn up whenever you decide to.

Roberto Martinez

Asked why he felt his team didn't show up, Martinez didn't have an immediate answer but he cited his players' lack of attentiveness at the back and general lack of impetus going forward as major factors.

“It's hard to put your finger on it. Today was a big footballing occasion [where] we forgot to do the basics. First and foremost you have to defend your box well and then you build a platform to be yourself and I don't think our play was fluid on the ball. Our hold-up play was poor. We couldn't compete [with Leicester] with that lack of intensity and lack of focus.

“We've got another game on Wednesday and, clearly, we have to show a completely different level of performance.”

Martinez went further in his interview with BBC Sport, branding the performance as "unacceptable".

"I don't think you can expect to go to a football game and just feel that you can turn up whenever you decide to."

He spoke for even less time in the media room to the rest of the media shortly afterwards and was forced to acknowledge that in terms of positives to take from his players' display there were, "none at all."

"We looked like a group of individuals. We never showed the basics, we didn't have any intensity or any concentration and when you do that against any team you're going to get punished, especially Leicester because they've probably won the league of being very, very intense.”  

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Mick Davies
1 Posted 08/05/2016 at 01:42:39
“They've got that intent, the work ethic, the way they get into your box" . . . he was only criticising this work ethic last week . . I think the word in his native language is 'loco'
James Kirrane
3 Posted 08/05/2016 at 01:44:06
Haven't showed up all season. Who's fault is that Roberto? Surely someone else's??
Francis Gibson
4 Posted 08/05/2016 at 01:57:36
Nauseating. Please, please just leave.

Or, as England's beloved hero Cinderella sweetheart Jamie Vardy might put it, "walk on. Oi. Walk on."

Dan Davies
5 Posted 08/05/2016 at 01:57:42
If I was Martinez I wouldn't show up again, by falling on my sword by the next home game. Absolutely gutted with this season. Embarrassed, offer the man a pay off and move on PLEASE.
Charlie Lloyd
6 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:00:06
This spells the end. Surely?

I'm sure he never sent them out to be so inept but it happened. He's clearly lost the players and a change is needed.

I don't throw scorn on him like others but he's just not up to the job. Plain and simple.

Let's get this season done then let the board deliver what the majority want.

Phil Sammon
7 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:04:24
"We looked like a group of individuals" - Didn't Baines have to apologise for saying the same thing.

Looks like Martinez has laid the blame squarely with the players, anyway. How dignified of him.

"We've never performed like this away from home when we've had a real need to get the points"

Another classic from Martinez. Add that one to the list of bewildering statements that are standalone sackable offences.

It's a shame more isn't being made of this game in the media. Sure, it was Leicester's day - but anyone viewing from an EFC perspective will surely feel like that was the final straw (yes, another one).

They say you don't come back after you've lost the dressing room. It's abundantly clear that's happened judging from yesterday's 'performance'. It's perhaps even more evident in RM's post-match interview.

He has to go, Bill. Swallow your stupid pride and look after the club you say you love.

Nigel Munford
8 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:04:58
They didn't turn up because they DON'T want to play for you and your useless way of playing Bobby!!!
James Watts
9 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:20:25
So we can all see it then ... not just me!
James Watts
10 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:20:27
Asked why he felt his team didn't show up, RM states "It's hard to put your finger on it...."

No it's not. It's because you are the manager with shite tactics, team selection, training, fitness ... I could go on. Get out of our club. NOW!

Alan Humphreys
12 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:37:07
Oviedo at RB, Osman over Dowell and the nail in the coffin that is Niasse.

The Baines apology will go down in folklore and sealed his fate for many.

Chemistry, "showing up" and playing for each other was on show today in bucket loads, sadly the team in blue with it wasn't Everton.

James Stewart
13 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:46:52
Sinking like a stone.
Jay Harris
14 Posted 08/05/2016 at 02:58:27
He sank and stank a long time ago, James, but unfortunately the board refuse to put us and the players out of our misery.

How much shame will they allow before axing this clown?

Gary Sedgwick
15 Posted 08/05/2016 at 03:02:54
"First and foremost you have to defend your box well"....

Well, if you know that, why don't you coach defence???

Marty MacDonald
16 Posted 08/05/2016 at 03:10:43
'We've never performed like this away from home when we've had a real need to get the points.' Ignoring the shambles at Anfield.

He blamed the players and he's right. They clearly have given up on him as have the fans and, presumeably now, the board. It's over. Hope the new manager is of the level we expect.
Derek Thomas
17 Posted 08/05/2016 at 03:22:31
Roberto, you did nothing different yesterday than you have been doing for 2 seasons, so of course you showed up...stop trying to make it like it was a 'one off '.

We got shown up, YOU got shown up for the bang average bluffer you's just taken some longer to spot than others.

Joe O'Brien
18 Posted 08/05/2016 at 03:52:16
I have been supporting Everton since I was 10, now 41 and I've never been so uninterested as I have till now. Didn't care if we won, lost or drew today. Taping MotD and not watching the highlights till Sunday at the earliest, sometimes not at all. It's after getting that bad.

Never before was I like that, through the Walker, Smith or Moyes days. RM is after sucking the life out of me. I hope to god it'll all end soon and he'll be gone.

I actually watched the game live today... haven't been more embarrassed to be supporting us. It's all down to the manager in my eyes. They are good players but instructed to use shite tactics and obviously don't want to play for him anymore. New boss and it'll all change I'm sure.
Koeman or Frank de Boer in... Martinez out.

Jakob Herd
19 Posted 08/05/2016 at 04:13:30
What baffles me as much as Martinez's comments is: 'why hasn't someone at the club told him to shut up'. Last week, he was saying Leicester relied heavily on a few individuals; now he's saying we look like a team of individuals and Leicester are very intense (as a team).

If anyone can make sense of this man's ramblings please share it with me.

Brian Hill
20 Posted 08/05/2016 at 04:31:33
Jim Beglin observed that Everton played like a team "awaiting a new manager." Everyone can see it, his position is utterly untenable.
Peter Barry
21 Posted 08/05/2016 at 04:51:18
Our Manager hasn't 'turned up' for TWO SEASONS now. MARTINEZ OUT!!!
Peter Barry
22 Posted 08/05/2016 at 04:53:53
The greatest harm Martinez has done to Evertonians is to make us APATHETIC. Many of us no longer care if we win lose or draw under this buffoon and for that I will never forgive him.
Anto Byrne
23 Posted 08/05/2016 at 04:58:27
Was embarrassing to watch the only player to come out with any credibility was Kevin Mirallas. The game was over at half time and it would have been a great opportunity for some kids to get real experience in the heat of battle. Gibson and Osman ffs.

Bring on Connolly move Oviedo into the midfield drag that lazy shit Barkley off. Lennon from hero to zero. Drag Lukaku and Niasse off and give Dowell a run. Roberto has run his course, so full of shit. Get rid of him now and let's have some fresh air into the club.
Anthony Dwyer
24 Posted 08/05/2016 at 05:02:38
There's something very wrong when a team like Leicester can hammer us after a full week of partying.

I don't mean yo show any disrespect to them with the above statement, but come on..... They hammered us with total ease.

It was a complete embarrassment from start to finish, our owner must clearly see now more than ever that Roberto has long run his race and we are desperate for change.

Anto Byrne
25 Posted 08/05/2016 at 05:14:41
I can see that you made the changes to effect the game. Ossie and Gibbo great tactical manouver there Robbo lad.

Did you really pay 㾹.5 million for Niasse while selling Naismith? What we have for a manager is a bloody turkey.

Dick Fearon
26 Posted 08/05/2016 at 05:15:44
Beglin is just another media tart that for two years supported the lunatic's rubbish 'philosophy'.

They were not alone because I have often been castigated on these very pages for daring to expose the charlatan.

Peter Barry
27 Posted 08/05/2016 at 05:37:57
The question must be asked: 'Is Moshiri just a Kenwright sock puppet?' ... lured in like a Trojan Horse to allow Boys Pen Billy to continue to rule unimpeded and hidden from criticism?
Ron Marr
28 Posted 08/05/2016 at 06:20:21
If they do have a lap of the field next week, BK should join the players.

Somewhere Dave Whelan is laughing his ass off "Roberto is one of the top four managers in Europe" "Everton are not big enough for Roberto" Billy Boyspen fell for that one hook line and sinker.

Tony Draper
30 Posted 08/05/2016 at 07:26:50
Peter @27 you clearly share my worry that Farhad Moshiri will turn out to be an "absentee landlord", but I also have other equally dark thoughts these days.

That Boys Pen Billy Bullshit will continue play "the lyre" whilst his blue empire burns all around him.

That the incomprehensible babble-on Bobby will still be in charge come the autumn.

That our sought after, young, talented players will be snapped up by dynamic managers at clubs with ambitious owners.

That our replacement signings will be third rate pretenders.

That clubs, who we would traditionally consider as lesser, will make great use of the incoming financial bonanza, both in terms of players and managerial staff.

That come this time next season, we will look pretty much the way we did during the depressing 90's.

ALL of this can of course be addressed IF Farhad Moshiri lights a fire beneath the two pretenders.

De Boer in charge immediately, would begin sending out some real declarations of intent. But stand by to be amazed, for ALL the wrong reasons.

Denis Richardson
31 Posted 08/05/2016 at 07:32:37
Well that loss did achieve one target. We managed to reached the magic 50 league goals conceded with a full two games still to go.

We've already beaten last season too having currently shipped no less than 52 goals in 36 games - get in. Martinez in on course to maintain his consistent downward trend in league positions year on year with the double whammy of conceding ever more goals each season.

I'm going to stay optimistic and take the boards silence as confirmation that he'll be goon in a few days time. (It'll get ugly if he's still in the dugout come August.)

Dan Nulty
32 Posted 08/05/2016 at 07:46:01
As I've said before he won't resign. His pay off will be massive if he is sacked.

It is actually uncomfortable to watch and the board need to put him out of his misery.

Ian Hollingworth
33 Posted 08/05/2016 at 07:48:42
It'll get ugly if he's still in the dugout come August

It will be too late then guys. It might need the majority to get ugly now. Our feelings have to be vented at the last home game and there should be no lap of honour.

Colin Glassar
34 Posted 08/05/2016 at 07:57:11
Sunderland will beat us and the funeral procession will begin against Norwich. A 78th minute walkout is being muted on here which would be fatal (he's done anyway) for Roberto and Papa Bill.
Tahir Abdullah
35 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:01:24
Dick@26, indeed the Johnny come lately Martinez critics (who not so long ago dished out abuse to those daring to criticise RM) will do well to do some introspection....
Kunal Desai
36 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:08:01
Two more matches remain for this man to chat absolute turgid drivel and then he's finally gone from the club.
Richard Lyons
37 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:10:55
Excuse me, Mr Martinez, but I think you'll find that a football manager's job description includes training and preparing the team in “the basics”, inspiring "intensity", "concentration" and playing like a team instead of "a group of individuals".

Since you have manifestly, and by your own admission (at last), failed to fulfil the terms of your job description, you should be sacked, immediately and WITHOUT compensation...

Marcus Reynolds
38 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:19:35
Are the powers to be in the boardroom watching the same shite that we are watching? Why oh why have they not acted at this stage is beyond me.

It's as clear as night versus day that the players have no respect for the manager or the club. There is no way on paper the Leicester football team are better than Everton team... we rolled over like puppies yesterday.

Enough of the Mister Nice Guy act, Bill. For the future of this club,sack him ASAP and show us the fans at least your willing to try and put the club first.

Darryl Ritchie
39 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:22:03
Sack Martinez ASAP! The players have stopped playing for him. It obvious to anybody with eyes, including the board. Let a ball boy, the toffee lady... anybody, stand on the sidelines the last two games. We can sort the new manager out in the offseason.

If we can give the Russians 13 million for Niasse, a few million to see the backside of Roberto, is the deal of the century.

Kelvin Thomas
40 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:22:38
Glad RM went for a 4-4-2. Many have been calling for it.
He's probably knew that we arent strong enough to play it. So weak in midfield and defence.
Phil Walling
43 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:32:25
Colin, I still have five live bets to be determined before season's end. Three doubles and a treble involving wins against Bournemouth, Sunderland and Norwich - I didn't include yesterday's game, thank goodness - as well an accumulator and a single on us achieving a 50 point finish.

Surely, you will be cheering on our team on my behalf even it those games do save our hero's neck !

Mike Moore
44 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:33:04
Can someone please explain to me why you're so certain hes going to be sacked after next weekend? The board have given no signal that they're about to pull the plug plus bungling Bill is a stubborn sod and will be classically reluctant to get rid of this "fantastic manager!". This isn't a pro Martinez post either, I loathe him with him a passion and fear greatly for our future.
Daniel Lawrence
45 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:35:58
If he'd been sacked after the Anfield debacle, his payoff could have been offset against the improvement in results and league platings.
Gareth Williams
46 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:37:12
I have heard Bobby is going on 1st June.

He should have gone last summer...

Mike Hughes
48 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:38:38
To be honest, when has an Everton board ever signalled any intent regarding the manager?

If it's not played out in the media spotlight these days, it seems it's not happening.

Hopefully, things are going on behind the scenes and our dead man walking will soon walk.

What a dismal period the past two seasons have been in our history.

Phillip Mark
49 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:41:21
There's a real change of tone in this interview. For the first time ever he's been not only outright honest in his comments after a defeat, but also extremely critical of his players. Methinks he knows he's gone.
Phil Walling
50 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:44:02
Mike, I think you an I must be the only Evertonians who dare to suspect that no action will be taken. Most assume that it's only BK's intransigence keeping Roberto in a job and that Moshiro will want him out.

My view is that Moshiri could turn out to be Moushiri - and not necessarily the one that roared !

Paul Doyle
51 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:45:35
Let's hope he has been told "not show up" ever again.

Fuck off, Mr Martinez, back to that one legged twat Whelan .

Mark Burton
52 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:48:50
Definitely not your fault that nobody wants you at our great club, definitely not your fault the players are lazy, overweight and really don't give a shit about the results. You are definitely delusional so take your phenomenal pea brain and piss off so at least we can salvage some pride next season you dickhead.
Rob Dolby
54 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:54:51
If he had come out with straight forward answers 2 years ago people would have patted him on the back for it. As far as media interviews go its too little too late. No matter what he says now he is going to get slaughteted for it. He made the rod for his own back during his very 1st interview with that cringe worthy champions league comment after we had 10 years of taking knifes into gun fights with ofm.
Back to the game.
Mccarthy can only do so much. Barclay never puts any defensive work in. Cleverly is the new Osman at defending plus we played lukaku up from with george weah's other cousin.
Leicester could have scored 8 and nobody could argue. In fact if it meant getting shut of rm I wouldnt have minded.
Tony Graham
55 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:55:03
It's looking like Pellegrini to me, all the signs are there...
Mike Moore
56 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:55:55
Phil, I strongly suspect he will be in charge for the start of next season, with the TV money plus cash from the likes of Lukaku and Stones going, I fear what he will do with that amount of spending power (especially after the Niasse debacle). If Moshiri cant see the problem now, we are doomed.
Jim Bennings
57 Posted 08/05/2016 at 08:57:52
Another day starts though and the silence from the board remains deafening.

Do they really seriously want Martinez walking around that pitch after the Norwich game doing the lap of honour (call it what you will)?

It seems to be the Everton board are just inviting mayhem next Sunday by keeping him on and asking him to do that.

Kim Vivian
58 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:13:30
I just realised that if we lose to Sunderland and Norwich (not inconceivable), Watford beat either Norwich or Sunderland (quite likely) or the RS today, and Palace and W Brom manage to beat Southampton and the RS respectively (again not inconceivable) that would leave us in 15th place. If somehow Bournemouth pick up 3 on their travels to Old Trafford (unlikely) we are dumped down to 16th - just one place above the mighty Sunderland who will have just escaped the drop.

That is probably a more accurate reflection of our current level.

Surely the club can see that, and if RM is digging his heels in for financial reasons, surely it must be possible to agree some sort of mutually beneficial severance package.

Might it be possible that the silence is due to lawyers undertaking those negotiations?

Geoff Williams
59 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:13:43
Did anyone from the club ever see Niasse play before he was signed. Anyone with a basic knowledge of football would have spotted that Niasse is hopeless, totally useless and wouldn't get in most Sunday league teams.

I cannot understand why Martinez kept him on for so long. I cannot understand the substitutions and most of all I cannot how Martinez is still in a job.

Bob Cumiskey
60 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:16:57
So the overpaid, over-hyped players and coaching staff didn't turn up eh Bobby!!

Well we did, 3300 of us. Absolute disgrace.

Brent Stephens
61 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:24:46
"We've never performed like this away from home when we've had a real need to get the points"

So there was no "real need to get points" yesterday? An insult to all blue supporters especially the travelling hordes. I want us to win every game.

Jim Bennings
62 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:25:05

If Everton do finish any higher than 14th or 15th then I really will start to believe the table does lie.

If we were to finish 15th that's about as good as our level and finishing 11th would be a totally injustice on teams like Swansea who have beaten the likes of Arsenal and West Ham away and Manchester United and Liverpool at home.

I can barely recall us beating a single top side all season.

Joseph Walsh
63 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:31:11
West End Bill will find a "reason" to cancel that pitch walkabout after the final whistle next week.

However, don't be surprised if there are large sections of the crowd that do applaud the players (and potentially Martinez) if it isn't cancelled.

I fear there are still large numbers of fellow blues that are either blind to the damage which has been done already, confused by their loyalty for the club/badge and that of the manager, and team, don't agree with protests (as it isn't the Everton way) or worse still just apathetic to voice their disapproval.

Collectively, we have to make our voices heard at the Norwich game against Martinez and Kenwright and tell our fellow blues around us to do the same.

Jack Farrell
64 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:50:24
After watching his post match interview last night I think it is finally sinking in with him that we are not in a "phenomenal moment" and that he is in deep shit. It is probably the first time I have heard him admit that we were rubbish, pity that he put the blame squarely on the players and conveniently forgot to mention his own part in the debacle.
Oviedo at right back, Osman and Gibson on as subs, Niasse anywhere near the team, complete lack of fitness right through the squad, total inability of midfielders and defenders to track a runner. I could go on but I can't be bothered, Martinez has instilled a sense of apathy in me that I have never felt in over fifty years as a bluenose.

John Hammond
67 Posted 08/05/2016 at 09:55:06
Same shit different day. Non-existent defence, slow and ponderous build up play, not playing as a team... Hopefully the board have kept silent as they're too busy finding a replacement.

I disagree with the people giving Niasse a hard time. New team, league and country, initially unfit due to Russian league break and coming into a team going backwards. Not everyone hits the ground running just look at players like Lamela. He was signed in 2013 and only this season has he really come good. Let's give Niasse a pre-season and see what happens.

Glen Garrett
68 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:02:40
Sounds like a bunch of piss-heads can beat Everton, the Premier League's most under rated squad haven't turned up all season. Martinez has got to go. It's getting worse by the second.
Jim Bennings
69 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:09:34

Niasse is 26 years old and he's come from Russia not straight from Africa, there shouldn't be a year long settling in period and I'm sorry but he can't even do the basics like trap a ball and pass it, his movement is amateurish.

I will though say it's not his fault he didn't pay 㾹.5 million to bring himself here but let's end this debate, he's probably not even going to be here next season, I believe we'll flog him half price, can't see a new manager sticking with half of these to be honest.

Jay Griffiths
70 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:13:34
Got a text at the game on 40 mins from my eldest son. "Get yourself home dad". My reply was identical to what I'd sent from Anfield. " We'll leave when the third goes on". Soon as the pen hit the net we're off. Taunted as we head back to the car by the partying Leicester FA s outside. On the drive home my youngest and I spoke of not wanting to watch the highlights, just the interview. That's what it's come to. A grotesque parody of what is effectively rubbernecking. I haven't been able to summon rage at the games of late. What has this man done to me! Also the police where remiss in their duty leaving those seven or eight Leicester idiots provoking Everton fans for so long. It did have our attention more than the game though. It's all in Bills hands now.
Andy Meighan
72 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:29:34
So there have been 68 attempts on goal by the opposition in our last two away games – that tells you all you need to know about how he sets a side up. Square pegs round holes has been the story of his reign and he's basically put it out there he's not for turning. Depressing times indeed.

Oh and Phil (#43), I hate to say this, pal, but your bet comes crashing down at Sunderland on Wednesday. I hope it doesn't but there is no way we'll beat them.

Tommy Coleman
73 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:35:16
With the whole World watching Martinez still couldn't motivate them.

He's lost the players and I don't understand why the Board are sitting on their hands.

Joe O'Brien
74 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:37:40
Anyone see that Frank De Bore's agent tweeted that he would be very interested in the Everton job if it came up? Please make this happen
Nathan Rooney
75 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:42:16
Woke up to the double sucker punch that senor bullshit ain't been sacked and they are now screening the Sunderland game to allow the world to have a proper good laugh at this so called Everton team.

It's about time that the men in white coats got a grip of bobby and put him in the padded cell.

He finally sets us up with 442, a plus for him you would think?! Not when you have the majority of your first choice back four missing and you are playing the new champions that have been destroying all comers playing 442 week in, week out! Oveido at rb, even after anfield?! I'm have no words for kneearse and his purchase and selection.

Plus, his comments post match seem quite similar to bainseys from a few weeks ago?! The same ones that Leighton had to apologise for? Funny how no blame apportioned to himself? Shame he hasn't laid into them sooner, might have sounded a bit more sincere, you cheeky bastard.

Nuthouse beckons bobby, I think he draws the match tactics and team selections on his finch farm office walls in a mixture of his own and greame Jones excrement, whilst listening to the best of bill kenwrights bullshit speeches and excuses volumes 1,2,3,4, and 5.

You've been rumbled bobby, the games up. Do the right thing and resign, before this sorry situation gets any worse.

James Marshall
76 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:42:18
I wish he wouldn't fucking show up. Why hasn't he been fucking fired yet? I'm furious with it all now. Fuck this shit. It's a joke. I'm flabbergasted he hasn't been removed.
Pete Bridson
77 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:42:22
Brent @61, Spot on. A very bizarre statement I thought too.... even by his standards.
I'm off to bed soon. I'll be checking first thing to see if he's gone..... again
Barry Pearce
78 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:43:09
I believe he is the worst manager we have ever had.

Please please please, just do the right thing and fall on your sword.
Obviously billy bullshitter doesn't want to put us all out of our misery.

Damian Wilde
79 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:46:20
Fuck me, where do you start?

"We didn't show up" - when was the last time we showed up?

"We've never performed like this away from home when we've had a real need to get the points," - Anfield, Roberto?

"It's hard to put your finger on it." - he has often said of late he doesn't know why we're so bad, how can he not know?! He's the manager! We all know. Maybe he should read TW then he'll know.

"First and foremost you have to defend your box well and then you build a platform to be yourself and I don't think our play was fluid on the ball."

We never defend our box well. Our play is never fluid because we pass it 560 times per move.

He's clearly blaming the players, he's ssying they haven't tried. I think they didn't, their confidence in him is shot, it's ruined (the team).

If he uses the words "inctedible" or "intensity" again, I'll fucking end him.

Also, why does he persist with the "we have great away form" - we've failed to win 12 away games, poor record. Really winds me up! Has anybody been would up more by another Everton manager?? I'd be amazed if there was one!

Some people say he won't go. Could you explain to me then why the board haven't come out and backed him? They might not read TW, but they'll know. The board are stupid, but things are so bad even they aren't that stupid? Why would they keep him???

My seat will be empty v Norwich, I refuse to attend again under him. I am desperate beyond belief for him to go. And as Kenwright has dragged this out, he can go too.

This is the lowest point in my time as a fan. Humiliating and embarrassing. The Red Echo still don't call for his head!

John Louis Jones
80 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:52:22
I Fell asleep in the second half last week after a very heavy night out, Yesterday to be fair I just didn't want to watch. I am glad I didn't as it would just put me in a bad mood for the rest of the weekend.

Reading the comments on all the different threads on here I just feel sorry all my blue brothers that did watch. the team has not been playing for him for months. we are in May and I can think of one game were the players have shown spirit this calender year the Chelsea game.

De Boers agent this morning say that Frankie would be interested in the Everton Job is the Glimmer of Everton Happiness I have felt in Months.

Trevor Powell
81 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:53:19
Even Stan Collymore commented that the players were playing to get RM sacked!
Andrew Clare
82 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:54:57
The fact that Kenwright stuck with a mediocre manager for eleven years who would still be our manager now if he hadn't been enticed away by the Mancs doesn't bode well for those hoping that Martinez will be gone by next week.
When I say 'those' that must mean everyone after the awful performances we have witnessed over the last few months.
The players are a disgrace as well. Call themselves professional? They are a joke. I'd like to see the lot go. Chairman, manager and players.What an embarrassing bunch they are.
Without doubt we are the worst team in the league right now.
Sunderland will defeat us easily in midweek.
Mike Moore
83 Posted 08/05/2016 at 10:59:53
Damien #79, Its the fact the board are saying nothing that frightens me, I hope you're right the fact they're not backing him is a positive sign, but knowing BK I certainly wouldn't count on it.
Alan Bodell
84 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:02:28
Lyndon, any chance you could stop posting pictures of him on your pieces ? I'm scared of putting my foot through the screen.
James Hughes
85 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:14:53
It's really sad that this fiasco is till trundling along and we are all still waiting, hoping & praying the axe will fall. As just like the players the board still haven't turned up either. Even worse is the fact that quite a few of us are concerned that Boy's Pen Bill will act like an ostrich and we will still have the clueless twat still in charge next season.

I watched the game in my local last night and the worst part of it was the regulars felt sorry for us.
As an Orient fan said " Absolute shambles and a team without shape and direction"

I am a proud scouser and a prouder blue-nose and I don't want southerners taking pity on me and my team, I just want the manager shown the door so we can rebuild (again)

John Atkins
86 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:28:00
Woke up this morning praying to see a headline that he'd been sacked

I'll keep checking every hour or so

Keith Glazzard
87 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:31:10
"First and foremost you have to defend your box well and then you build a platform to be yourself ..."
Well well, Roberto. When did you think that one up? Considering the team hasn't been doing it for two seasons it has taken quite some time for the penny to drop. When Moyes became a memory, your teams forgot how to defend. The same mistakes were made over and over again.
And yesterday you put out a formation, against the current champions, which gave them acres and acres of sapce in midfield - please attack us any time you want.
John Louis Jones
88 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:31:16
I just really hope people are right and the players have got wind of it and have given up on Bobby, What Jags said to Barkley at half time in the Semi suggested that might be true.

Any incoming manager would need to rebuild the team.

Players out of contract or probably want out.

Howard - Gone.
Hibbert - Gone
Gibson - Gone
Ossie - Gone
Pienaar - Gone

Mirallias - You would think gone after the way he has be treated.
Rom - Enough said
Stones - Enough said

Then you have Barry, Jags , Banies and Kone that are the wrong side of 33. Barry is 37 is Feb.

Out of a squad of 25, 8 will be nailed on to leave and then you have 4 players in the squad that are 33 and over.

For any manager that is some rebuild.

I though this Fraud was meant to be building a squad?

Jesus Christ I despair.

Pete Bridson
89 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:36:02
Alan @84. Brilliant, sad and funny all at once. Classic.

Oliver Molloy
90 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:40:06
Martinez knows he's getting sacked, and maybe he is thinking the players have a lot to answer for also.
He should have been saying how bad they have been playing long before now.
I agreed with a lot of posters that this was a good squad but I don't think it is anymore.
There are a lot of prima donnas in our team and not one leader and that needs to change.
Would a new manager want to work with a lot of this team ?
Massive rebuilding job required on our first team squad just to keep up and that's what the board are dreading - spending money !

Robles - has a lot to learn
Barkley - top player, world class ? That's an absolute joke.
Lakuku - 50million ? That's another absolute joke, although I hope we get that for him or more obviously !
Baines - done and dusted.
Coleman- needs to get his form back.
Jags - a year, maybe two left in him.
Funes Mori - suspect, but will get better with new coach.
McCarthy - rubbish sell him
Barry - better than the above and he's giving him 10 years.
Besic - who knows
Cleverley - squad player
Oviedo - sell
Mirallas - sell
Ossie - done and dusted
Deulofeu - who knows
Lennon - showing his true form lately
Stones - has a lot to learn , will be sold I reckon.
McGeady - done and dusted - gone
Pinnear - done and dusted -gone
Kone - done and dusted - gone
Gibson - if only he could stay fit - not worth a new contract unless it's a pay if you play.
Niasse - it looks like we've blown 13.5 million.

James Marshall
91 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:40:14
I was lucky enough to have to work yesterday, so I didn't have to watch the farcical scenes at the King Power, but I followed occasionally on the BBC sport app feed, and two words sprang out at me, 'hapless Everton'.

A damning indictment of what we currently are. Hapless Everton. Hapless Martinez. Fucking fire him. He's a shit manager who talks complete bollocks every time he opens his mouth. I was working with a Leicester fan yesterday, who said he felt sorry for us because if what we've become under Martinez.

When opposition supporters can see it, you know you're up shit creek.

Kunal Desai
92 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:41:35
Mike/Phil there is administrator on another forum called 'The Esk'. He/She is well respected with regards to Everton news before it becomes public and has done so over the years.
This person has called that Martinez will leave after the Norwich game and Martinez already knows this.
Its good enough for me, make of that what you will.
Rob Halligan
93 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:49:54
Over 3000 blues did turn up yesterday, Roberto, and I reckon the majority gave you a good ear bashing of "Roberto Martinez, get out of our club"

Sunderland on Wednesday night will be the same, before next Sunday when the decibels will increase. Hope you've got some ear muffs.


John Louis Jones
94 Posted 08/05/2016 at 11:57:35
the fans yesterday :
Eddie Dunn
95 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:00:11
On MOTD Kilbane and Wright commented on how many of Palace's players, who had been injured were suddenly recovering and hoping to play at Wembley.
Equally, it must be assumed that some of Everton's injured players must be feeling that their injuries are going to take longer than normal to clear up!
There were a few people on the park yesterday that were wishing that they were somewhere else.
This is the leicester side that put such a stunning run together to escape relegation last year.
They didn't hide when the going got tough, and when they had spent 140 days bottom of the pile.
Our lads need to look in the mirror- as much as Martinez has got it wrong, some of these players have let us all down on a regular basis.
It is particularly strange that Lukaku terrorised Man U's defence in the second half at Wembley, when there was a final to play for, but before and since that game, he has been in an induced coma.

John Davies
96 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:03:55
We are fucked. Kenwright & Martinez have ruined our club. Half our players will be gone or pensioned off come next year. None of them want to play for the idiot Spaniard right now - that is clear to see. And yet these two half wits blunder around oblivious to what is going on. And still the drivel spouts forth from the phenomenal ones' mouth.
The worst Chairman and Manager we have ever seen. WHY ARE THEY BOTH STILL AT GOODISON PARK? I hope they both get the reception they deserve at the Norwich game - 30,000+ boos ringing in their numbskull heads.
Eugene Ruane
97 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:10:47
Kunal - 'This person has called that Martinez will leave after the Norwich game and Martinez already knows this.'

I don't get worked up (in a 'O'Neil? Fuck OFF!!' way) re rumours. People want to post them (or get worked up about them) no problem with me.

But looking at that, it would be quite a cruel/stupid move if it did happen in that way (ie: in that order).

In other words (IF he was being fucked off) you could tell him (or announce) tomorrow "Thanks very much, mutual agreement, caretaker manager* for the last two games blah blah", or put him in the position of facing a (potentially) very hostile crowd against Norwich, then telling him.

* by caretaker manager, I mean Joe Royle rather than a janitor

Mike Moore
98 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:11:45
#96 John, that mate in a nutshell is all that needs to be said.
Colin Hughes
99 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:13:15
Martinez " we didn't show up", was he referring to the Leicester game or the whole season?
Franny Porter
100 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:15:30
I know our problems run deeper than this, but I can't stand Lukaku.

Strolls around the fucking pitch, never breaking sweat, terrible finisher, fucking god awful penalty taker and then demands moves to Champions League teams whenever anyone puts a microphone in his face.

He is one lazy bastard who can't even be bothered to try and score this last few games.

He makes me sick and I'll be glad to see the back of him.

John Daley
101 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:32:04

"....Everton news before it becomes public....This person has called that Martinez will leave after the Norwich game and Martinez already knows this. Its good enough for me, make of that what you will."

All these 'nailed on' rumours from people with supposed insider knowledge have really begun grating with me this season. How many have we heard recently and how many of them have been proved right? 

Russian buyout: happening tomorrow lad. 

American takeover: done deal. 

Yarmolenko: he's sat eating Shreddies in my conservatory right now. Swear down. 

Baines V Martinez death match: Bainesy had him down and was about to rip his throat out with his little bare hands, the same way Paddy Swayze did with that rival bouncer in Roadhouse, but Lukaku stopped him at the last minute by melodramatically shouting "Noooooo. Don't lower yourself to his level Leighton". Me mate got it all on camera...but then dropped it down the bog. 

This is basically what I make of such info whenever someone sees fit to share it:

A ToffeeWeb contributor has come out fighting over allegations of extreme gullibility after having fallen prey to a ruthless scam artist. 

Eager Believer (who once spent ten months back in 2009 believing he was David Moyes's top transfer target after all his mates said the papers were just misspelling his name) found himself the butt of jokes after blowing his entire life savings on the back of some random blokes claims to having spent the last sixteen years living in 'outer space'. 

"Yes, ok. So, I met him in a boozer and he told me his name was Buck Rogers, but it's not like i'm naive and just took what he was saying at face value. Besides he'd been right before. He said Everton would be wearing blue socks instead of white this season and he said it way before the club had released any pictures whatsoever of the players posing like a load of cheaply photoshopped cardboard cut-out's in the new kit", said Mr Believer.

"He was very persuasive and had his story down pat. This guy knew things one could only even begin to comprehend if you had first hand knowledge of interplanetary flight, cosmic colonisatation or had caught that crappy Sean Connery movie 'Outland' late on Channel 5 one night.

Even so, I was still dubious. Could it really be so? What happened next however soon quelled what little doubts I had left. He dug into his pocket and pulled out undeniable proof of what he was saying, in the form of a couple of awe inspiring souvenirs he'd picked up on his intergalactic travels. Two 'space' bars: one from Mars and the other from the Milky Way. 

I was speechless and begun to shake uncontrollably, like a fat bird on a crash diet driving past a kebab shop with her car window down.  I had to own them and, to my excitement, Mr Rogers was surprisingly open to a deal. £2000.00 each for items of such star-bursting significance and scarcity seemed a real bargain too.

It's what happened next that really blew my mind (along with my life savings and marriage) though. Rogers produced a third, hitherto unmentioned, space bar, one from an as yet undiscovered planet called 'Chunky Kit-Kat', which he proceeded to explain was populated entirely by a peaceful race of fat as fuck felines wearing football strips. 

It was only because I was a fellow Evertonian that he was entrusting me with this knowledge, said Rogers. My heart swelled with blue pride at such a selfless display of kinship. "Could it?", I stammered. "Soz lad, I'm starving and it's the last one I've got left" replied my blue buddy from beyond the stars. Yet, I wasn't disheartened. Earth scientists were due to discover Chunky Kit-Kat any day now, according to Buck. I knew if I could just empty all my bank accounts and get my arse down to the bookies before 'fat cats in footie clobber central' became common knowledge amongst the nerdy nobs at NASA, I'd net me and my family a nice fucking fortune and never have to work ever again.

How I wish I'd stopped off at that bastard petrol station on my way there, instead of on the way back! 

As the scales were lifted from my eyes I attempted to seek out Buck the blue, who was...naturally..nowhere to be found. The cheating con artist had clearly seen me coming a mile off. Flogging me a couple of normal, run of the mill, chocolate bars and passing them off as genuine space grub? Never will I so readily buy into the hushed whispers of a fellow supporter sharing supposed 'secrets' ever again.

The opportunistic lying tosser obviously just picked them up from a corner shop on one of his frequent trips back to Earth to watch Everton get twatted."

Declan Brown
102 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:35:06
He criticised Leicester's way of winning the league, saying how they approach games was easier than his methods, thought it was a rather cheap shot at them myself right before they were officially crowned as champions. It lacked a real lack of class on Roberto's behalf, not the Everton way (what actually is under him these days?). Then he got another schooling and to be fair after his comments he got exactly what he deserved, another humiliation, sadly the rest of us got it too.

The Press are now openly saying that the Everton players are now playing (well, not playing) to get him sacked. In my near 30 years of supporting Everton I've never heard that accusation made against an Everton team. It's got this bad now. This is how far we've fallen now.

The inevitable fan protests haven't started in earnest yet for a number of reasons:

1. The Bournemouth game was about the Hillsborough decision, by the way fair play to all involved in finally getting justice, that would have been in very bad taste.
2. Leicester were presented with the premier league trophy so any protests would have been easily drowned out.
3. Sunderland away? Why would thousands waste their time and money going all the way up there for another hiding? Thing is our fans are the best in the world and they will do that, I think the club should put on free away travel for it.
4. Which leaves us with Norwich next weekend at Goodison. That's the day of reckoning. I actually wanted Norwich to win yesterday so that their game would have been shown live and the protests would have shown the rest of the country what Everton fans thought of Martinez this season. Come Sunday, Carpe Diam! Show the board we want rid of him and rid of now.

Pellegrini would be better than Roberto, but I'm not keen on him. Koeman is my first choice. But convincing Koeman that we are not a step down from Southampton would be a tough job right now. That speaks volumes of how far we've fallen. It's a sobering thought.

We've a long way to go to get back to being competitive and challenging for the Top 6/7 next season, the next big step starts with the choice of manager for next season.

Phil Roberts
103 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:38:03
The scenarios are as follows.

Give him a vote of confidence - everybody blows up, re-quotes "what a manager" anger directed to the owners/chairman. So that one is out

Sack him today - all ask why now and not 2-3 weeks ago because what has changed. New man in charge for 2 games and then what, they move aside for the new person? And what will we gain apart from something to cheer at GP next week.

Sack him next weekend - OK fine, it is 15th May and what are we going to do then that we are not already doing now? and if all the stories are to be believed . . . . .

Sack him 1st June - save compensation, lose just 2 weeks in getting players who are all off playing in the Euros anyway and hopefully a new manager already to be announced.

The issue we all have is impatience. We really want to know he is going but that is constructive dismissal and gives none of the advantages of post 1st June sacking but none of the advantages for the pre-1st June. But we all want to know because we are tired of this dragging on - a lame duck manager, a dead man walking.

And with the media circus that is the premier league and a guy wanting to keep his job (would we not say the same if it was us?) then of course he keeps getting asked for interviews and keeps saying he knows how to fix and wants the time to fix it. And we all think he can't and doesn't know how but want him to shut up but the media won't let him. What do you want him to say in the interview? I have no idea, I have lost the players, my philosophy is not working and I know I am going to be sacked at the end of the season. Yes we do but would you say that to your boss if he asked you why your team is not bringing in the results he demands?

So we all need patience. Frustrating, yes it is.

Our fear is he will not go but we have to agree you cannot say "he will be sacked", you can only say "he has been sacked".

Andrew Lightfoot
104 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:40:11
The atmosphere inside Goodison for the Norwich game is going to be utterly toxic. Pure vitriol aimed at Martinez, and at a bulk of the players. The board can go a long way to easing that with an announcement that Martinez has been removed (or will be at the end of the season). If they fail to make such a statement then I can't imagine how awful an experience Saturday will be for everyone involved.
Jay Tee
105 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:56:59
Eugene, 97 "by caretaker manager, I mean Joe Royle rather than a janitor "

The Janitor would do better than the Muppet if Joe Royle is not available.

Tom Bowers
106 Posted 08/05/2016 at 12:58:44
There are many changes to e made but the first is a no-brainer so when the manager and coaching staff have been changed which players are no longer good enough.
Let's face it the players first to go have to be those who have played so poorly for the last 2 months.
Effort is one thing but achievement is another.
There are of course many differing opinions and one could argue all day about the candidates to be moved out.
Many fans lambasted an aging Tim Howard when things first started to go wrong but it was never his fault.
Overall the strategy of RM was the downfall end of story.
Thank God only 2 games to go of this shocking season.
Mick Quirke
107 Posted 08/05/2016 at 13:11:59

From a year ago!

Eugene Ruane
108 Posted 08/05/2016 at 13:13:58
Andrew - 'I can't imagine how awful an experience Saturday will be for everyone involved'

You think?

The amount of repetitive 'JUST FUCKING GO MARTINEZ!!' venting I've seen on TW this season makes me think tickets could be going for 5 times their value.

I mean if you're going to continually scream 'JUST FUCKING GO MARTINEZ!!!' why not actually shout it at him (rather than one)

Will consider offers over 𧶀 (time-wasters only).

Damian Wilde
109 Posted 08/05/2016 at 13:50:11
"The atmosphere inside Goodison for the Norwich game is going to be utterly toxic. Pure vitriol aimed at Martinez, and at a bulk of the players."

Our crowd in the main are weak and acceot mediocrity. They'll be too busy clapping a five yard pass, rather than doing this. Everyone gave it in the big un it'd happen against Bournemouth and nothing. Our fans haven't got the arse, part of the problem.

Andy Crooks
110 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:16:29
Great stuff, John D # 101. Roadhouse? Is there no movie you cannot reference? Brillian. Eugene I made a calm decision a while ago not to get involved in any anti Martinez vitriol. Yet, since yesterday I have been hammering the keys like a fucking demented mad man. Why do we( I) do it?
Martin Nicholls
111 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:24:37
Frank Dr Boer's agent making right noises. Go for it Moshiri!
Eugene Ruane
112 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:26:20
Daniel - "Our crowd in the main are weak and accept mediocrity. They'll be too busy clapping a five yard pass, rather than doing this. Everyone gave it in the big un it'd happen against Bournemouth and nothing. Our fans haven't got the arse, part of the problem"

I think we need a leader, someone with the balls to run on the pitch, beckon the crowd with a wave and shout 'Come on!!' as they head towards the the Directors box"

If someone would do that, everyone would I'm sure follow.

But it needs someone who isn't weak, who won't accept mediocrity. Someone not too busy clapping a five yard pass"

It is obvious to me, from your post, that person

So when I see you run on and beckon, I'll head on too as I'm sure will many others (not sure how I'll get down to the pitch from the upper Gwladys but I'm sure I'll figure something out).

(oh, if I don't see you run on, I'll just assume you're full of shite and guilty of everything you're accusing others of)

Eddie Dunn
113 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:27:25
Frankie Boyle's agent says his client is not interested in the Everton job, as the vitriol is too toxic.
Ray Said
114 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:38:59
Like a lot of older fans, I don't have to imagine how toxic the atmosphere could be as we have directly experienced it directed at managers-, Harry Caterick ,Mike Walker, Walter Smith, Gordon Lee etc.

The cushions raining down and around 11, 000 attending (thats how bad it got).
A direct physical attack by a supporter on a great manager.

A fan confronting Nyarko on the pitch.
The atmosphere will be mild compared to how bad its been because this board have lowered our expectation of ever winning the title .

Michael Coffey
115 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:52:14
Frank de Boer's wiki page shows him As the current Everton manager
Paul Andrews
116 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:53:30
Ray Said,

And there you have it.

Programmed and brainwashed into the plucky little club mentality. The chief perpetrator will continue sitting snugly in the best seat in the house, an onion up his sleeve for when the tears are required.

And all the people went merrily along with it.

Jeff Hough
117 Posted 08/05/2016 at 14:53:33
Eugene at 112 I'm with you on that one. I too think that Daniel sounds like the right man to lead the rest of us in this protest. Only problem is that I sit in the Top Balcony.

I do know someone with a bungee cord though so could ask for a loan of it. I could then join in the protest although not sure how long I'll be able to hang around.

Damian Wilde
118 Posted 08/05/2016 at 15:02:49
I hope 'Daniel' does it for you 'Eujean'.
Brent Stephens
119 Posted 08/05/2016 at 15:07:54
John Daley #101 - superb. Is that copyright or can I sell it to a guy I know (Bill) who'll believe anything.
Colin Hughes
120 Posted 08/05/2016 at 15:09:01
Southampton currently showing us how to perform against a team that doesn't need the points and who are effectively on holiday already.Could you imagine us going to Spurs today and winning?
Everton are fast becoming the Coventry City of the 1970s to 1990s era, who always seemed to be in the top flight without ever turning any heads.
George Cumiskey
121 Posted 08/05/2016 at 15:10:05
The sky commentator said Martinez made a rod for his own back by doing so well in his first season, so if he was crap in his first season everything else would of been an improvement. You couldn't make it up!
Damian Wilde
122 Posted 08/05/2016 at 15:58:35
Southampton play good stuff.
Colin Glassar
124 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:05:56
City fans are showing their plasticity by abandoning the stadium. CL semi final and still in 4th place. I'd take that. At least we have a right to grumble.
Damian Wilde
125 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:14:54
Exactly Colin. They won a trophy when a few years back they were nothing. Who the fuck do they think they are?
Antonio Michaels
126 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:19:55
Every day that passes with Martinez still here is more and more embarrassing for him. He should see how much of a tit he looks and leave.
Colin Glassar
127 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:21:04
That's what success does to you Damian, I suppose. Spoilt brats
Damian Wilde
128 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:42:43
Spot on! Be funny if they were in the Europa League with PG coming in!
Len Hawkins
129 Posted 08/05/2016 at 18:53:44
Phil #7

Kenwright has obviously swallowed a lot but his pride, nah even he couldn't manage that without gagging. Why couldn't his bloody Uncle have watched South Liverpool or Marine or anyone bar Everton.

Lee Brownlie
130 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:02:10
I really wanted Martinez reign to work, as we all did, and even clung on in there hoping he'd turn things around for too TOO long when it clearly WASN'T working (which I personally think is almost purely down to his inability to 'fire up' players, a team!).. but fact is I'd become so disillusioned that I was actually concerned that if the ever-deserving/ fighting Leicester City came to play us IF things had started to go awry and Spurs were REALLY closing in (hate Spurs!), that we'd do our showing up 'once in a blue moon' bit under RM and maybe help stop them winning the PL yesterday!!..

No worries on that one, in the end of course, but why should I even be thinking like that??? Only ONE reason, I'm feeling right now, and it's that man again.. at the VERY LEAST my/our PERCEPTION of him!! Sorry Roberto.. and I really AM.. (and also it's all been said and repeated time and again now!) but the only way is OUT (of Goodison) it seems!!...

De Boer is my own personal favourite to take over.. but, whoever.. one tiny (ferkin massive!!!) thing.. if.. if.. IF... Roberto Martinez IS still here with us next season, I WILL support him.. TOTALLY too.. so.. is that bad???.. am I fucking crazy??? Thing is, after all, what culpability have WE ALL had in getting into the heads of our players that if they play totally shite... as they so often have, especially at home as we know!.. that's it is ONLY Martinez's fault??? Isn't that so often a major factor in why otherwise 'good' – if only on paper – teams DO go down? Because the fans fill the players heads with excuses?)...

Don't get me wrong here.. I've already said I think Martinez really must, has to.. at least SHOULD (on further, less reactive/negative, thought), be replaced.. but.. and it's a HUGE but (oo-err, Missus!.. sorry) can we really absolve OURSELVES of ALL responsibility? (Nevermind the PLAYERS, lacking their own demanded and expected WILL and FIGHT, a'la Man U recent times.. the overall shambles left by SAF - who they were AFRAID to let down!! – for our last incumbent Moyes to struggle with on his 'dream' move!!)???...

I only KNOW I don't feel good about ANY of this.

I'm only SURE that Roberto Martinez has proved MOTIVATING his players is his major failing.

But then I remember the good spells, some REALLY good spells, some GREAT results and/ or games under RM, even this season, and I think 'What the fuck happened to THAT team?.. WHO didn't turn up next training session, next game? Roberto or his players or both?'.. the mind boggles.

My head is messed up by my, our, beloved Toffee Blue team right now.. but the answer?

How long is a piece of (blue) string?

Daniel A Johnson
132 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:15:30
I wouldn't put it past Kenwright to engineer a final lap of honour/applause in the name of Howard Kendall in order to stop the abuse protest. That way, we would all have to clap rather than boo.
Daniel A Johnson
133 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:22:03
I'm blaming Kenwright now rather than Martinez.

He has the power to sack him but wont so this whole farce is now on him.

Everton fan boys pen my arse............he is a disgrace.

Eugene Ruane
134 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:28:14
Damian (118) - 'hope 'Daniel' does it for you 'Eujean''

Getting your name wrong - my apologies, but be in no doubt that a week Monday, after you have led the protests against the present regime, you will have the respect of all Evertonians and they will all (including me) remember your name.

Obviously, if you bottle out, your name will still be remembered, but it'll be more along the lines - 'Remember that Damian Wilde, came on TW giving Evertonians down the banks for not protesting, but when it was suggested he lead a protest, he shit out"

(could you let us all know a) what time your protest will begin? b) how we will recognise you? c) should we all follow you to the directors box or do you want some of us to head to the technical area?)

Damian Wilde
135 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:31:46
Usual waffle, ah well, keeps your life interesting, eh Eugene. Cheers.
Kunal Desai
136 Posted 08/05/2016 at 19:59:46
Eugene - yes agreed with your point regarding if he were to leave it would make more sense to relieve him of his duties tomorrow and let a caretaker manager see out the final two games. I believe if the club were to let him go before the season then he would have gone straight after the semi final perhaps.

The club will have decided for him to see out the remainder of the season and perhaps he'll make a quiet exit at the end of the match next weekend to avoid any hatred and abuse.

We'll soon see what unfolds and how accurate this information is by this 'administrator'.

Eugene Ruane
137 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:07:21
Damian - 'Usual waffle, ah well, keeps your life interesting, eh Eugene. Cheers.'

Yeah, yeah, never mind the deflection, in post 109, you gave it - 'Our crowd in the main are weak and accept mediocrity. They'll be too busy clapping a five yard pass...' etc bollocks waffle.

So I ask you again, what are you doing?

(clue: fuck all)

Damian Wilde
138 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:17:21
Well me singing on my own I doubt would get the press boys exciting. I attempted a 'Roberto Martinez get out of our club...' against Bournemouth and was the only one singing.
But I reckon we'll be sound as your 'zany' and 'intellectualizing' posts are apparently read by Bill and they have puzzled him so much, he got confused and has agreed to sack Bobby.

So it seems you haven't done 'fuck all'. Well in old chap.

Colin Glassar
139 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:22:36
Just watched Sunday Supplement, and read some of today's headlines, and how sad it is that we are the butt of so many jokes and so much ridicule. One of the worst was Sunderland's reserve team would beat us on Wednesday.

Like I said yesterday, we are an ex-team, a shadow, a figment of our imagination.

Kevin Rowlands
140 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:28:21
Franny P #100, 100% correct mate, he is the most over rated player to EVER wear an Everton shirt, I'll be happier to see the back of him even more than I will Martinez.
Jimmi James
141 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:48:45
Phil Walling, Like you I don't believe RM is going anywhere but live in hope.
Mike Oates
142 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:51:12
Kenwright wont let post match Norwich turn into an unsavoury debacle. I just cant imagine a walk about by players and staff if the situation is at present with Martinez still in charge. If he is, and they decide to do a walk about I can just see trouble in the stands, on the pitch, all in view by Mr Moshiri, who will wonder what the hell has he let himself in for.

With the Awards Night on Thursday, Kenwright is losing space to manoeuvre - he cant wait until after Sunderland game as it will completely ruin the Awards Night, he cant announce after the Awards Night as he will lose all credibility after hosting a night where he's bound to have to mention Martinez's season.

So its tomorrow - he will hand over reins to Joe or Unsy so they can get the Sunderland game planned and Kenwright will receive the plaudits on Thursday and after the Norwich game.

Patrick Murphy
143 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:58:17
Mike (142) But the players have had a few trial walkabouts in recent matches haven't they?
Kieran Kinsella
144 Posted 08/05/2016 at 20:59:03
Greg O'Keeffe has finally bothered to show up at work after weeks of silence and he's saying RM must go. Doyle said the same last week and the match reporters said as much yesterday. The Red Echo was the last hold out in the fan/media campaign to get him out. Doesn't seem as if it matters much to Kenshite though. I hate to say this but we will probably continue to struggle while Kenwright is around and he will probably hold on while there's life left in his body.
Mike Oates
145 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:03:47
Kieran (144) I suspect O'Keefe knows something is going to happen shortly. The Echo don't normally come out so strong for fear of getting banned from Finch Farm and Goodsion. To be fair to the guy the last 2-3 weeks Podcasts by him and the rest have been hugely critical of Martinez.
Tony Hill
146 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:09:24
Mike (142), that's an interesting and persuasive analysis. The question is whether Kenwright is still operating in the rational world. Hope you're right.
Eugene Ruane
147 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:10:27
Damian - 'I attempted a 'Roberto Martinez get out of our club...' against Bournemouth and was the only one singing'

That was it?

That sounds weak and mediocre. What were you doing for the rest of the game, clapping a five yard passes? Sounds like you 'haven't got the arse.'

You add 'But I reckon we'll be sound as your 'zany' and 'intellectualizing' posts are apparently read by Bill and they have puzzled him so much, he got confused and has agreed to sack Bobby. So it seems you haven't done 'fuck all'. Well in old chap'

You're right, I haven't 'done fuck all', but there's no pressure on me to do anything as it wasn't me giving it the Chuck Norris and posting shite about how weak Evertonians are.

Max Murphy
148 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:10:38
Peter #22 – agree totally. Evertonians have lost the will to support their team – we don't care anymore.

Martinez is a Catalan Vampire who has sucked the life-force out of once great club, our team and its supporters.

Anyone got a very sharp, wooden stake?

Everton Caetano
149 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:10:39
This article has a lot of truth. Roberto Martinez does not represent us. It is hideous, arrogant and ineffective. The other culprit is the chairman, Bill. Why did it take to dismiss this ridiculous Spaniard? The chairman does not respect and does not listen to the voice of the fans.

And it's not just the English fans, I'm a Toffee fan in Brazil. I have pride and passion for our blue shirt. Bill, you must leave the direction of our team. EVERTON BELONGS TO THE FANS, it does not belong to the shareholders and bureaucrats. Respect our immense crowd ... COYB.
Kieran Kinsella
150 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:16:49
Mike Oates

I hope so although he goes on to say there are rumors that BK plans to keep RM regardless of the discontent. From that remark, I'm assuming he hasn't heard anything directly from the horse's mouth. If BKs mind has gone, we may need to get someone to pretend to be RM and ask to be sacked.

Dave Abrahams
151 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:25:21
Mike (142) Mike it is more than likely Kenwright will give Thursday and Sunday a walkover and not attend either. He then has from next Sunday to the middle of August to sort the situation out. He is one hooky bastard.
Eric Holland
152 Posted 08/05/2016 at 21:27:59
Maybe he could ease Bobby out with the promise of a bit part in corrie as Norris's long lost son...
Eric Holland
153 Posted 08/05/2016 at 22:06:03
This is when we had a team that knew how to show up!!!
Still makes the hair stand up all over my body...
Damian Wilde
154 Posted 08/05/2016 at 23:59:01
Eugene, bore off. Is your mission in life to be an irritating tit on here?
Damian Wilde
155 Posted 09/05/2016 at 00:17:15
Thanks for the link, Eric, previously only seen b & w. Superb.
Mike Green
156 Posted 09/05/2016 at 00:24:15
Eric - what a brilliant 10 minutes - thank you. Just listening to the noise on that clip takes me back to the old Wembley, the new place doesn't hold a candle to it in my opinion.
Eugene Ruane
157 Posted 09/05/2016 at 00:30:02
Damian, when I read someone criticising Evertonians for being 'weak' and 'accepting mediocrity' I feel I'm entitled to question the credentials of the person making those criticisms.

In this case, you.

So when it became clear that you haven't been part of organising any protest (and bottled out of my challenge to organise one) it also became clear that you don't have the credentials to criticise or question other blues about their commitment.

That you don't like me pointing this isn't surprising, but concerns me not one jot.

Terry McLavey
158 Posted 09/05/2016 at 11:34:23
"Didn't show up !" Unfortunately for us every week Roberto You do !
Mark Rimmer
159 Posted 09/05/2016 at 20:47:55
I can't believe the way the board are treating the fans at the moment. Martinez is obviously gone, but It's surely just a monetary issue that he's still here. And to keep him here and force us to pay to watch the capitulation of our great team is simply not on.
Darren Hind
160 Posted 10/05/2016 at 20:03:49
Damian ?

It's an outrage that you had to sing "Roberto Martinez get out of our club" alone. . Nobody joined in ? . .Nobody ? . . really cant think why.

Perhaps if you strip down to your bills and shout "you don't know what you're doing" tomorrow night. . . Thats bound to do the trick

Martin Mason
161 Posted 10/05/2016 at 20:07:33
Damian, stop being a pedant and just accept you are the same as any other fan at the club in "accepting mediocrity". A stupid concept by the way because that assumes you can do something about it and as you know that isn't possible.
Darren Hind
162 Posted 10/05/2016 at 20:19:00

There are lots of things Evertonians can do, to show they don't accept mediocrity. Take you for an example . . all you would need to do is to stop gushing over chairman who has presided of 20 years of mediocrity.

Nick Entwistle
163 Posted 10/05/2016 at 20:26:50
Problem with/for the fans, as far as Damian's point is concerned, is that the football is no where near relegatory stuff. Just placid mid table fair.

And though may not be good enough it simply wont get fans riled up as a string of defeats as the odd win here or there placates and 'buys time' for Roberto.

But this is one manager who surely can't be around next season. The fans are just waiting for the inevitable sacking by Bill.

I don't know if I'm being ironic or not with that last point.

Patrick Murphy
164 Posted 10/05/2016 at 20:37:48
Nick (163) Since the turn of the year, Everton have claimed 18 points from 17 matches winning 4 drawing 6 and losing 7. Only Newcastle, Watford, Norwich, Palace and Villa have taken less. Perhaps not relegation form but not quite mid table form either.
Damian Wilde
166 Posted 10/05/2016 at 21:11:34
We all want what is best for Everton, that's for sure. Like the rest of you, I have been very frustrated and angry.

Can fans influence a club? In some ways, no. But I think we can have some influence.

As for singing in me bills...although the ladies would I enjoy it, I would lose my job, so no chance!!

Soren Moyer
167 Posted 11/05/2016 at 13:43:51
"Martinez: We didn't show up". YES, since April 2014!

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