"I understand [the scrutiny] completely," Martinez said in his press conference this morning. "I never felt being Everton manager is a manager to be judged in an average position.
"Scrutiny needs to be there, but it shouldn't be scrutiny of the last two months or three months. It should be of three seasons, scrutiny about the team we've put together.
"The first season we had a record points tally, last season we were the last team in the British game to be knocked out of Europe, this season we made two semi-finals.
"I'm ready to fight more than ever and closer, probably, to finding a way to challenge for silverware.
"I encourage huge expectations. As a club we have to drive for silverware and top four, and when you aren't there the scrutiny needs to be there. It shouldn't be scrutiny of the last three months but instead the last three seasons.
"It's a scrutiny of the squad we have put together and scrutiny of how we play against the top teams. I wouldn't want to be judged on the ninth budget of the league. I want to be under scrutiny of being proud of being Everton manager."
The manager was asked about the possibility of protests from supporters at is weekend's match with Bournemouth and he asked that fans give him more time to make the changes needed to bring success back to Goodison Park.
"The message [to the fans] is we are all hurting together," he said. "I understand their passion and they make us what we are as a club. Football without passion makes no sense.
"But I'd say to those fans only when you get through those difficult experiences and moments you get a renewed drive to fight more than ever and find a way of challenging for silverware.
"The signs are there but we aren't the finished article. I'm more capable now to make the final adjustments to make us better."
Martinez confirmed that Phil Jagielka will be missing from the team through injury, as will Seamus Coleman, Gareth Barry and the suspended Ramiro Funes Mori.
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1 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:07:31
2 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:10:53
3 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:11:59
4 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:14:19
The news this morning linking us with Mark Hughes is even more depressing. Stoke have conceded more goals than us this season. I just hope they're not true.
5 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:14:23
6 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:17:10
He must be doing a midweek course. I wonder what grade he got.
7 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:17:34
Am not sure how much more I can take of this from Bobby Bamboozle!
8 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:18:13
9 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:18:28
10 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:21:40
11 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:22:29
It has worked on me, I now hugely expect a manager who knows what the fuck he is doing and not some clueless twat who makes the same mistakes week after week after week after...
(chortle - hoist with his own petard).
12 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:22:38
13 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:24:53
Aston Villa should be challenging for the Champions League title next year based on this logic. His entire management career has been one difficult experience and he is no closer to challenging for silverware because he has never learnt from his past mistakes and has continued to blindly follow the same path. This is Roberto's biggest failing and what will cost him his career.
14 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:09
I wonder if Robles was pulled up for speaking out? Or if he was misinterpreted???
I really wanted this guy to succeed but sadly he isn't good enough.
Hughes has done okay most places he has been but hardly a statement of intent from the board, is it?
15 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:11
Small club mentality by not getting rid of him last weekend.
16 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:25:30
17 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:28:06
The Board need to be much more ambitious.
18 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:28:44
19 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:33:12
We are hardly even the constituent parts of the "finished article"!
Pitchforks at the ready lads. Martinez's head on a spike outside Goodison by dawn.
20 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:33:55
23 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:37:16
The focus should be on removing Kenwright.
24 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:37:57
And please not a no-mark like Mark Hughes (pardon the pun). For once, can't the club show some ambition and go for a top class manager, with experience? One who has won leagues etc at the highest level and can whip our so-called best squad in years into shape to challenge for top four and better.
25 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:38:54
Martinez has no intention of going and BK has no intention of letting him go.
Now, what Evertonians need is a massive re-education on what the "Everton Way" really is. In the meantime, let me restate it for the less discerning: indefinite cowering under a lengthening red shadow and trophy free football for as long as Kenwright has any say in the club's affairs.
26 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:41:34
27 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:48:36
We have the worst backroom set-up in the PL. We lost all the experienced medical staff. We have a worse injury record than previous incumbent and yet this is a man who doesn't believe in "soft-tissue injuries".
Our coaching staff is appalling. Who are they anyway? We don't practice set-pieces, apparently "they should be worth half a goal". We don't work on defending because he believes winning by more goals is more important. The players are unfit. But he is now "more than capable to make the final adjustments" whatever that means.
I can only think he is being allowed to carry on, literally with Kenwrights blessing which worries me even more. That that man cannot admit to a mistake and do the right thing over his supposed love for EFC speaks volumes. This has gone way beyond a fXcking joke now. GET THE FXCK OUT OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB
28 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:10
Don't forget that when Roberto gives his press conference this time next season we will hear "It takes time to integrate new players - replacing the likes of Howard, Jagielka, Barry, Lukaku and Stones is a difficult thing for any club to adjust to,...and it doesn't happen overnight." " I wouldn't like to be judged on this past three months as my record over the whole period...record points total.....cup semis....last British team in Europe......we have to concentrate on achieving enough points to retain our Premier League status...blah...phenomenal ...blah....blah.....we are a work in progress....the home record is not what it should be.......blah blah blah...don't forget the early bird window closes on May 9th 2017....
29 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:31
30 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:49:48
He reminds me of the car salesman when there was only one airbag on the driver's side. "I can't buy this car, if I am in a crash, I will be safe but all I will hear is my wife screaming as she goes through the windscreen." - RM - "Sir this airbag is so good you won't hear a thing."
He just doesn't get it. He can't see he hasn't made the grade - beggar's belief.
31 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:50:41
I'm off to The Cricket Discount Warehouse this afternoon to see if there are any alternatives ...
(Not that I advocate throwing of anything at football matches, other than throwing-up at the nauseating soundbites...)
32 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:51:16
It seems obvious that BK still holds the final say on these matters and we know he doesn't want to ditch his "mate".
Until Moshiri gains overall power we're stuck in this horrible limbo. We desperately need to know what the plan for Moshiri is. Surely, like us, he can't be prepared to accept this for much longer.
33 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:52:57
I think the players will rally round him for the remaining games and thus burst the bubble of constant abuse.
If you want to win a few bob this Saturday, back Everton to start 'the renewal process' with a 3 or 4 nil victory. As ever, the noise will melt away !
34 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:56:14
COME ON EVERTON - SORT IT OUT!!!!!!!
35 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:59:59
You're not up for the job, you're totally out of your depth and incompetent. GO NOW!
36 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:00:23
37 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:00:44
I'm fed up of being fed a load of words that don't make any sense.
On the derby defeat "A chain reaction of a disastrous group of actions that made it an impossible experience." Can anyone understand that? God only knows what drivel the players get but it's clear they don't get it either... so just go now, for the good of our club.
38 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:02:08
Martinez Has speant £98 Million in 3 seasons with a net of £50 million.
We have finshed 5th 11th and eerr somewhere in the bottom half in 3 seasons got to 2 semi finial's and the last 16 of the europa league.
He didn't sign Stones or Golloway ( that deal was already in place) He didn't bring Barkley into the first team. oh and we have shipped as many goals in 3 seasons than under the last 6 under Moyes.
Moyes Spent £120 Million over 11 Years! with a net spent of Plus £8.5 Million. He got us to the last 16 of the europa league twice and a cup final with a couple of near misses to. Also we only finished outside the top 7 twice in 11 years.
The guy is a fucking fraud. I so glad I cannot make it on Sat as I think I would get Banned from goodison for Life
Martinez Out !!
Oh sorry about my English I am raging .
39 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:02:56
The root cause of our current problems is Kenwright - I'd rather see Saturday's demonstrations aimed at getting him out. Without his support, Martinez would be finished. That said I still think that we will start 2016/17 with a new manager whether or not Kenwright goes. It's just a shame (and damaging to our Club) that this saga is being allowed to drag on.
40 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:03:14
Kenwright if he holds on to Roberto will be making a catastrophic error of judgement and his final two years in the Goodison hot seat will not be what he would have wished for, he should have done the honourable thing and retired when Moshiri came on board but he hasn't and he still clings to the notion that he knows what is best for the club, let's see how he tries to sell his new stadium plans when he can't fill Goodison.
41 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:03:57
42 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:05:29
If he had any integrity he would have resigned after Saturday.
It's like with any relationships, when the thrill is gone there's no way to get it back, you just prolong the inevitable.
So to avoid any further damage, he must go now. There is no point in keeping him any longer, the final games are meaningless so Duncan and Unsie can take over until the end of the season.
Now would be perfect time to give U21-players a chance.
43 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:09:56
I just feel sorry for the next club he will find himself at, the shite he spouts is now unbearable. As for Mark Hughes, why would you exchange one mid-table manager for another?
44 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:10:10
You drove me to this Everton......!!!!
45 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:10:47
46 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:13:09
47 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:13:42
49 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:15:11
Btw, watched the second leg of the Chelsea vs Man City Youth Cup, they are leagues above us by the looks of it. It's not only the money for players, success has to be something that comes from the top and seeps down through the club at all levels.
50 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:17:49
Things got pretty exciting when Blue Union was in its prime but support for the activists died in the light of decent results.
Perhaps, as some have noted, we are too nice/forgiving for our own good. That together with the failure of the new investor to make an early impact of any kind !
51 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:19:16
52 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:21:02
If he was any good then Utd would have taken him instead of Moyes, ex player blah blah etc etc.
No ambition, no hope and a future that will continue in the same manner as the last 21 barren years.
Totally fed up and frustrated with Everton, I actually wish I didn't support them, but its not that easy to stop after 40 years!
53 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:22:07
"It shouldn't be scrutiny of the last three months but instead the last three season."
You'll find that's exactly the reason your under scrutiny, daft lad. Get your dancing shoes on and get to fuck.
54 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:26:02
I was out this morning doing a bit of shopping and admit I had actually picked up a load of tennis balls.
Next thing is, there's Martinez, taking his dog for a walk and heading right towards me.
For a moment I just froze.
55 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:27:55
56 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:00
Perhaps then it will all make sense.
57 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:01
I personally wouldn't be surprised to see Martinez still here in August which is insane because we need to spend big big money during close season to get some quality in this team and shift the deadwood that's been existing taking a wage from the club for a few years.
I personally think we will need 9 players, of quality and quantity to replace such deadwood, also to replace the likes of Stones, Lukaku .
Do we really want to trust Martinez to oversee such a mega transition at this football club..?
Can we trust Martinez to work on defence??
Can we trust him to work on physical fitness??
If he remains as stubborn as he has been in the last few years then there's no way we can afford to give this man the biggest transfer kitty in our history.
Over to you Mr Moshiri.
58 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:28:40
Kenwright is obviously sold on the Martinez "philosophy" and believes we are just about to turn the corner. We all know that he's been spun a load of bullshit. Unfortunately BK still holds the balance of power at Goodison.
The only way that this is going to change is if Moshiri....A) Sees through it, and B) Is elevated to a position where he can do something about it.
Until those two things happen nothing is going to change.
59 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:29:19
The board, allowing this to carry on in this way now are a disgrace.
This whole situation is turning into public humiliation for the man and I wonder if Kenwright is hoping for the fans also if their protests on Saturday get condemned in the media.
Nothing going to change at this club regardless of the manager, till Kenwright stands aside.
60 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:29:47
These comments to me seem like a man clinging to his job, real desperation. Ridiculous how he forgets to mention the 11th place finish and somehow being the last British club in Europe is almost like winning a trophy, clown.
We have to let it be known on Saturday that we want him gone, it's the only way.
Rob, get up to FF and at least get some banners up!
61 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:30:54
At any level of football from a school team, to a park team, to a non-league side, to league and Premier League sides, Everton's standard of performance over the past season and especially since last Christmas is totally and utterly unacceptable.
I am forcing myself to believe that Mr Moshiri is biding his time. He has already made up his mind but perhaps there is a 'gentleman's agreement', that Martinez can and will stay until the end of the current season (which in itself is a mistake). I think that Moshiri has identified his man but for what ever reason now is maybe not the time to approach his chosen individual. I think that Pellegrini is his choice but with Man City still well involved in Europe, Moshiri will have patience and wait until that particular story ends and then make his move. Honestly there is no way that he will let Martinez spend his money. The man is not a fool.
So Evertonians, have faith and believe as I do for just think for a moment that if come a Friday night and you won 135 million on the euro lottery would you give RM a single penny to spend on a player. I know your answer and I don't think that Moshiri is any less a fool that you or I.
Indeed Mr Moshiri would probably take umbrage with me in my associating him to be on the same level as me. But sadly I fear we will just have to stick it out over these final four matches with the manager for if RM was for being removed by the 'old-regime', he would have been gone by now. And that is reality,
62 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:31:25
Thats the defintion of a small club alright! How the F**K is he still our manager?
Ray (52) couldn't agree more.
63 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:32:31
64 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:32:39
65 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:34:18
66 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:38:06
67 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:38:55
68 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:41:32
In answer to your questions here are my honest answers:
Do we really want to trust Martinez to oversee such a mega transition at this football club..? NO Can we trust Martinez to work on defence?? NO Can we trust him to work on physical fitness??
Can we trust Martinez to work on defence?? NO
Can we trust him to work on physical fitness??NO
Mark #59 - you are correct the board has to act decisively or we will become the subject of ridicule - and if that happens it will get really ugly because the pent up frustrations of the past 30 years will burst the flood gates.
69 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:42:03
He has to go and the sooner the better. Where is his professional pride, isn't it better to walk rather than suffer the humiliation of a sacking?
70 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:44:13
I am convinced we will be relegated under RM if he stays for another 3 years
71 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:46:14
I hope I am wrong but I have a horrible feeling this man will be in charge when the next fixture list comes out and we are back to looking what our run-in is like for the inevitable scrap for survival...
Could this fella rouse a squad to dig in?
72 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:47:53
He's going to get serious stick on Saturday and it isn't going to be pleasant. He has tried his best and the reality is he just doesn't understand how to set a side up defensively or how much work is required to be fit at the top level. He needs to go away and rethink what he is doing, perhaps spend some time with Van Gaal or Mourinho discussing defensive tactics.
We need to show some serious ambition in our next appointment as it is going to set the expectations. If it is a Hughes or a Howe we will simply be looking to retain our status. I'd pay through the nose to get a top, top manager in.
73 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:48:20
I hope the rumours of a June 1 departure are true but an increase of just two places in the League will double that figure anyway, which suggests to me that the June milestone does not exist.
As others have said, he is now sneakily trying to find YET ANOTHER EXCUSE which is that he hasn't been backed with finance. And STILL he is underachieving. Not safe from relegation going into May, from a Top 6 club, and after three years, and he thinks we are impatient. What a fucking clown.
The only signs are that he will relegate us next season, cast iron. A rot is very very difficult to stop once it has set in and it has really taken hold under this guy, the club now seems rotten.
All that said, the person who I now blame, is Bill Kenwright for not acting. It is dereliction of duty leaving this guys charge of playing matters at Everton.
But we have said all this before, talk now needs to end and be replaced by action.
74 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:48:51
75 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:49:27
76 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:49:53
77 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:51:44
Yes he is deluded; yes he has consistently and royally screwed up since his debacle of a pre-season when he stayed in Brazil - but I now believe he has been given to the end of the season, at which point he will sit in front of the board and explain the final one tenth of his budget.
Win the last four games (which he won't), he might have a tenuous grip on the job - otherwise he will disappear into his own brown shoes and they will walk him out of GP once and for all. Just don't slip on those tennis balls, we might need them for Mark Hughes.
79 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:56:13
I haven't forgotten the football under Moyes, I pretty much watched all of it, virtually every home game in person and many away. Either you have or you just weren't there.
Moyes' football was like watching Brazil compared to the spineless, passionless, naive crap that this fella Martinez serves up. Please stop rewriting history (and no, I don't want Moyes back either, but anyone rather than Martinez. He is guaranteed relegation)
80 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:02:08
Then I start reading the first few lines of this and think we're going through it again. Then...
"I wouldn't want to be judged on the ninth budget of the league. I want to be under scrutiny of being proud of being Everton manager."
Just fuck right off.
Moyes used to claim we were overachieving based on our budget. He was right, but it felt too negative. After all, he was supposed to be proud of managing this great club.
Now Martinez wants to tell us that he's only underachieving a little bit based on budget, with some cheap attempt to cloke the comment.
Despite everything I always figured he was a brave man, and had some strength in his convictions but that's a fucking cowardly statement.
81 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:03:39
Dead right, lad it sums everything up about this muddled cock-up ridden club.
Why do we bother????
82 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:04:21
83 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:05:59
Martinez won't resign and obviously he can't sack himself this is the board now and the blame is solely with them.
84 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:11:15
It won't happen, but what if we put in a run of 4 great games?
85 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:11:34
This farce is getting worse by the day .
86 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:16:40
Yes Roberto it called resigning
87 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:16:50
89 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:18:42
90 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:22:17
He's gonna fight tooth and nail to keep his job.....and the huge salary!
91 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:25:44
92 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:32:54
His 3rd season has been a shambles so how many more does he want?
This has got to end soon Kenright !!!!!
93 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:34:47
94 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:38:29
95 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:39:17
96 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:39:37
To be fair, it's only been 3 years....just a blink of ones eye really...
We fans are far too impatient and fussy.
In regards to dropping attendances, let's be honest, our money is a drop in the ocean compared to the TV rights package.
Even low season ticket renewals would faze Blue Bill, what does that bring in per year? Not enough to pay a couple of players wages for the season.
97 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:15
During our 3 week induction, he talked about transformation, development, blue sky thinking, neuro-linguistic principles etc etc. Basically it was management speak for how to conduct yourself as a decent human being.
You are the epitome of this type of thinking whereby, by using long words and poorly thought out principles you think that elevates you to a state above the common man who relies on common sense, robust judgement, pragmatism etc.
This is not Spain or France Bobby. Philosophies don't cut the mustard here. We are all about doing whatever is best in the situation to get the best results. You need to take your theories and dysfunctional logic to someone in Portugal's 3rd Division where the locals will love you.
We are a massive sleeping giant in the greatest league in the world playing in the 2nd city of the Greatest Empire in the history of the world. We demand winners. We deserve winners. So please just fuck off!
98 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:21
His lazy employment of the cringeworthy Catalan charlatan who had just guided Wigan into relegation spoke volumes for his lack of ambition. He then compounded his error by extending his contract on improved terms after just one season! What a chairman.
I always thought it took a fraud to know a fraud but obviously this can't be true with Kenwright and Martinez seemingly determined between them to steer this once big club into oblivion, while they both declare a mutual "love in" for each other and the club.
I truly despair if it transpires that Mr. Moshiri is leaving the footballing decision in the hands of Kenwright. It seems like a huge opportunity to move the club forward will be wasted. Leaving Martinez in place for another pre-season and start to next season will result in the known suspects leaving the club and perhaps more Niasse like signings coming in during the summer replacing them. If Martinez is not removed at the end of this season and preferably before that, then I genuinely fear for the future direction and genuine ambition of Everton. Let's hope, as was mentioned above, that Mr. Moshiri is not the mug that Kenwright had been searching for 24/7 these past 16 years.
99 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:41:26
100 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:42:47
they all have this format.
101 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:47:16
No more patience. We've wasted 2 years with this clown at the helm.
Will Rom be patient and not leave? Will Martinez ask him to start closing down defenders?
Will Stones be patient? Will Martinez ask him to hoof it occasionally?
Will Martinez apologise to Baines for asking him to apologise?
Just leave our club now before the frustration turns to hate.
102 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:54:04
Mark Hughes would be an undoubted improvement on Martinez. However, that is not saying much, is it?
This is an opportunity for the club to make an ambitious appointment, not another steady-Eddie type.
The results of the last 4 games should be academic in terms of RM's future. Winning them should mean very little (some financial gain) after the last two seasons.
RM can't be allowed to spend another penny as he's taken the piss for long enough.
103 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:54:18
This way, our new director will be comfortable allowing our current manager to spend his money, safe in the knowledge that if he pulls the plug early next season his investment won't have been truly wasted.
Unfortunately, I'm not aware of the director of football scenario being particularly successful in English football.
104 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:55:31
We have the 9th biggest budget. OK. So why aren't we 9th and why have Leicester, Soouthampton, Stoke, Watford, West Brom and Bournemouth had better seasons than us. I assume Newcastle have a bigger budget, at least we are just above them!!.....big negative.
The 'phenomenal' 2nd half at Wembley. His tactical input was don't let United have the ball so much. No shit Sherlock! Everyone knows that performance improved because the players just stopped doing what he wanted them to do and showed what they are capable of....big negative.
Finally, his statement that we will have a "weak" back 4 on Saturday. I bet whoever comes in will be brimming with confidence now....big negative.
Please, you keep saying Everton is a club with great integrity. Show some yourself, admit you are out of your depth and just leave.
106 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:09:15
107 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:09:46
108 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:10:10
'We should be top 4' 'We should be top 6' tell me why.
'The players are good enough' oh yeh, have they looked good enough, have they done their job well?
Take Saturday, Lukaku misses penalty, also has another couple of really good chances, we lose its the managers fault!
That's me finished with the club, as fans we are destined to be picking up the crumbs for a long time yet.
I have stopped deluding myself that there's success around the corner.
The last 20yrs should tell us something don't you think.
I'm off to spend my time and money on something sensible!
109 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:10:42
No. just NO!
110 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:11:06
You can imagine him now "Well I know I've had 10 seasons to work out how to set a defence up but don't worry, give me a few more & I'll get there eventually."
He needs to go NOW!!! It is stupid he's here still after the derby, to be honest.
111 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:12:41
112 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:14:01
When he talks about how progress is being made and cites the second half at Wembley, why is he not asked
1. "Why did we not start the game in that way?"
2. "If progress is appearing now, what was your first season as Everton manager about?"
They say that it is better to be a lucky manager than a good manager. We have neither!
113 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:19:56
Your long-standing support of RM and general well-reasoned logic (even demonstrated in that post) will be sadly missed.
A black day for TW and the club.
114 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:23:24
Pretty sure his agent is telling him to act as if everything is just fine, to let Moshiri know he wants him out he'll have to fire him. And PAY him. Financially-speaking, Roberto IS holding a good hand, no denying it. Staying or going, he's gonna get paid. Just a matter of how much. And by how much, we're talking millions.
After all, can anyone see Roberto getting another big time club to come in for him? And at big time money? I don't. Everton is his last crack at it.
So, while sharing everyone's frustration, I'm taking the view that Roberto's not talking to me. He's talking to Moshiri. "Fire me? Can't stop you. But, show me the money." Feels better thinking of it that way.
115 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:24:44
I think all of us are sick of moaning about him.
He just need to be gone so we can forget him, start afresh and look forward to the new season with a manager who's the real deal and doesn't work in a 60 mile radius of Goodison Park.
I just wish we has a mechanism for co-ordinating a meaningful and effective action at Saturday's game.
116 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:25:11
I just hope the boys and girls on Saturday make enough noise to change the mind of our utterly inept board.
117 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:35:24
Jags and Bainesy have not been happy since last season when Martinez eventually had to give way to the total tippy tappy football from defence.
There support is deafening... not!
118 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:42:44
To his â€“ and our great misfortune, he is unable to convert the visions he conjures up in press conferences and board meetings into reality. He could not be more spot on when he says that football without passion makes no sense. What a painful irony it is that his teams seem totally deprived of this essential quality on the pitch!
I fully sympathize with the many people on this forum in their descriptions of how they are becoming apathetic towards the club's games whereas we have kicked every ball and steeled ourselves for every tackle our players have made for as long as we have been following the club. For this two-way relationship to work, we desperately need the team to show some passion in return.
Surely, Bill Kenwright will know that it is his responsibility to find somebody who is able to provide just that. His loyalty to Martinez is admirable, but he should have a hard look in the mirror and ask himself if it is really worth compromising his loyalty to the Club.
119 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:42:54
"Come in, Agent Kenwright your time is up."
You couldn't make this up. Honest.
121 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:50:31
Even if we win all of final games we can not finish higher than 11th.
You have spent more money than the last manger and taken us down the league. 9th biggest spenders in the league I don't think the last manger was ever in the top 10 for spending and wages.
Were a young team err NO! we have the 8th youngest squad in the premier league.
I am thinking about getting a flight from Prague on Saturday Morning, Instead of Tennis Balls can I chuck a brick !
122 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:56:50
Still we have every chance of becoming the richest club in the Championship the season after next!
123 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:21
Most of the media (what do they know) had Watford destined to be relegated, and where are they in the league on the mere budget they've had?
124 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:52
Why? You don't see Roberto as the problem. You argue against the criticism of Roberto. You criticise the players instead. You say you're off to spend your time and money on something sensible. Why are you finished with the club? Are you not an Evertonian?
125 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:57:55
I thought that we were not judging him over the last 3 months but for the gradual decline of his performances, that is increasing in momentum over the last 3 years.
126 Posted 28/04/2016 at 13:58:51
127 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:00:07
I have a spreadsheet I can send to the site, if they/you want to pour over it.
some observations (which when looked at make the job Moyes did look fcking incredible to be honest):
Moyes avg finish 7, avg points 60
Total spent 𧵃.3m, net spend ٦.6m which equates to 𧵄k per average point, 㿁k per game played and 㾺k per point earned
Win % 40.8
Martinez EFC only (assuming 2W, 2D last 4 games as per last season):
avg finish 11, avg points 47
Total spent 䀍.7m, net spend 㿛.7m. This equates to ٟ.01m per average point (7x Moyes), 𧹚k per game played and 𧷗k per point earned
Martinez all PL (add above to Wigan):
avg finish 15, avg points 43
Total spent 𧴹.8m, net spend 㿐.1m. This equates to 𨀀k per average point, 𧵀k per game played and 𧴨k per point earned.
Martinez one season finishing 5th brings everything up quite a lot as the pts total was so high. If I extract this (call it the Moyes effect) and assume from April onwards 2014 was Martinez team then his EFC win % drops to 32.5% from 38.6%. In total Martinez win % is 30.8% (including 5th). Not even worth thinking about excluding that.
Moyes has a few more season BUT I think one thing the stats cant show is that Moyes inherited a squad of dogs and Martinez inherited a very well oiled machine and has taken it backwards. Moyes first three finishes were 7, 17, 4 vs 5, 11, 11? lets say but then went 11 (Europe, lol!!), 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6...pretty stunning when looking back on it.
Conclusion from this would be fairly obvious; that Martinez has taken us backwards on a lot more money spent. Its also becoming apparent that we are moving back to his average which is just above the relegation zone.
The man doesn't learn from his mistakes, I think would have to be his written on his epitaph. Can Kenwright learn from his if he is presented with all the facts (the stats). I'll send them along but they'll probably just get filed in the bin.
128 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:01:21
The journos, especially the quadruple GT merchants that writer for the Echo are a disgrace.
They were outraged the other week when the Catalan Clown accused them of misrepresenting Baines but that blew over in a couple of days.
None of them have the balls to continue questioning the Clowns utterances and claims.
Obviously the weekend game is approaching why upset the Club now when their quadruple GTs and free grub might be on the line.
Our local incompetents will be writing reams of pages after Martinez is binned and no doubt claiming that they were instrumental in his departure. Actually the incompetents at the Echo are actually part of the reason the Clown is still here.
Had they been our "neighbours" correspondents or writing for Sky 4 teams local papers they would have been up in arms 2 years ago.
I just hope than when the new owners finally clear this Club from top to bottom one of the first things they do is fuck the Echo wasters off !
129 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:05:26
Oh yeah, a new manager.
I'm beginning to think they won't sack him anyway. The good thing about this, is that like my sense of direction, I'm usually totally wrong about these things!
130 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:05:51
(And if Dennis Ng posts something about Moshiri in the next post, I'd like to know the source).
131 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:08:18
132 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:14:20
That's my hope anyway. There are a few really nagging worries though, such as appointing a caretaker from Unsworth or Sheedy would surely not damage anything except tweaking the pay out.
But the biggest worry: "What a manager!!"
Just unreal even after all these weeks.
133 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:16:23
We're not in a isolated 'difficult experience', we're just under his tenure. Just a prolonged state of rank mediocrity!
134 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:16:49
I cannot blame Raymond for how he feels as at the moment, I feel the same. We have heard from Bill Kenwright when the new invester came in about ambition etc... Is this ambition??
Roberto Martinez should of been sacked a while ago as someone stated on here before you wouldn't see Liverpool putting up with this dribble nor any other top 6 club so to speak.
Why do Everton fans have to listen to excuses every year why its been a poor season? Even my eight year old son thinks Martinez talks dribble. If Everton board are going to keep going on about ambition etc... then its about time they acted like a club that does have ambition.
I for one am with Raymond; I can't be bothered anymore and if Martinez is there next season then after 30 years of supporting this club will be no more.
135 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:20:10
Due to his ethos, I cannot see anything changing regardless of who he could buy.
Wave your white hankies at the games folks!!!
136 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:21:22
HUGE EXPECTATIONS? Since when not wanting to finish at the bottom half of the table, is a huge expectation? May be that was good enough when you were managing Wigan but it is called underachievement at this club.
And for the record, it is about the past 2½ seasons of crap that you have delivered and NOT just about the last 3 months.
137 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:30:43
138 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:30:50
I've just sent the below email to Bill Kenwright at bill.kenwright@Evertonfc.com can we all do something similar to TRY and get the message across!!!
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY BELOVED BLUES!!!
I feel I HAVE to write this email to you in protest at what is currently happening to MY beloved Everton.
I have been an Everton supporter for over 55 years and during that time have followed the team all over the world. I have ALWAYS been VERY PROUD to be a Evertonian and thought myself so fortunate to be one of the 'CHOSEN'.
That is until now!!
I cannot believe that the board at Everton Football Club have allowed Roberto Martinez to stay as Everton manager following what has been the most dismal and embarrassing period in my entire period of supporting Everton. The HUMILIATING, EMBARRASSING & PATHETIC display in the 4-0 defeat against our arch rivals at Anfield the other week (not the first time we have lost by this scoreline at Anfield under Martinez) was the final straw for me, I was there and had to listen to the kopites singing Martinez's name and shouting 'OLE' as they were taking the PISS out of us, I will NEVER forgive that performance.
I now feel that the board DO NOT have the best interest of Everton at heart (REMEMBER NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM????) and are dragging my precious club to a very slow and VERY painful death of relegation!!!
I now make this promise to YOU. I will not enter Goodison Park nor follow MY Everton on the road again until YOU and the other directors grow a pair and SACK Roberto Martinez. He is a disgrace to our heritage with the never ending amount of over hyped rubbish he spouts at EVERY press conference, the man is a deluded fool if he expects US, Evertonians, to believe it (although I happen to think that YOU do!!!!!).
IF Martinez stays and we are relegated (which we will be if he does stay) then I will forever hold YOU responsible Bill, and that is very sad as I have always seen you as one of us, a CHOSEN one who loves the blues just as much as me. This sadly, I no longer believe to be the case, YOU have let EVERY Evertonian down!!!!
I hope you read and act on this email as I know thousands of Blues feel exactly the same as me.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM Bill, I still believe in it!!!!!
139 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:32:26
It seems to me that Kenwright is the one who ought to be having the brunt of the criticism now. If he believes RB is not up to the task, then he should have done something before the Semi and give us a chance of winning the game.
If Kenwright believes that with some top class players coming in, RM will be successful, then he is the one that has decided RM will stay.
I think Ray Fox has a fair point that the players should share responsibility with the manager (in the end though, he carries the can) as I've seen some awful mistakes through the last three seasons. They've been getting repeated and and as International players, they shouldn't be making them as often as they do. But it's a manager's job to stop therm repeating the mistakes.
If a Blues supporter has had enough then, to me, it isn't a cause for celebration, it is a sign that there is something wrong in the club. I hope you stay on Ray because I don't think Moshiri is such a gullible fool that he will just dole out his millions on Kenwright's say so, so that Blue Bill can have a bigger and better train set than he had before!
I think it's very likely that Moshiri will take over the club when he's ready and that will be the end hopefully, of Kenwright's tenure.
I do think that RM has recently (definitely since Bainsey said his stuff) and quite possibly well before that statement.
Whatever, we are at a stage now where a lot of supporters on here have said they have had enough of Martinez and there is talk of demonstrations.
How many would demonstrate inside the ground I've no idea. But what concerns me that, if he's here for another year, or even until the end of the season, what effect would any demonstration have on any players at the club who may be in the process of deciding whether to stay or go. And also what effect it would have on any players considering coming to EFC.
I paid for my season ticket this morning and if Kenwright is determined to keep the current manager, then my view is that he's the one we should be pointing our fingers at.
140 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:36:19
141 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:40:16
I was wondering where you've been in recent weeks as things continued to unravel. Now we know.
Good luck with believing you are finished with Everton.
If only it was that easy.
Expect some ribbing for this whenever you reappear on TW Raymond.
142 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:42:30
I'd like to believe we could land Suarez or Ronaldo but we'd more likely get Sandra Suarez and Rita Ronaldo!
143 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:45:18
I have one wish: that the protesting fans turn on the biggest phoney connected to Everton Football Club. Maybe everyone who is against this present regime could leave Goodison after an hour on Saturday.
I think a good thing to do would be to put a load of bins outside the stadium. We can queue up in an orderly fashion, and put our season tickets into these bins, like when you go to vote. Then, when Everton play the last game of the season at Goodison, the stadium will be EMPTY, just like the way most of us feel right now.
144 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:47:28
145 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:54:35
If true I truly despair with our board. But I am not surprised.
146 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:56:15
No guts equals, no glory. The glory days are certainly gone from Everton. Might take years to ever bring them back.
148 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:01:38
I think Morshiri plus Woods could win any vote?.
Bit more water to run under the bridge yet methinks. More secrecy in boardrooms than in GCHQ.
149 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:03:39
Well it's not acceptable and change on a mass scale is needed. Martinez should have been sacked on Saturday night and Kenwright has failed again to execute his role as an effective custodian of the club.
Kenwright and Martinez both need to go if we stand any chance of achieving anything next year.
150 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:04:24
No matter what I'll still support the club.
151 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:07:20
152 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:09:51
After the Norwich City game there is a big long silent gap to the start of next season and if he is still here after the Norwich game, he just might get away with staying.
153 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:16:28
Damian 144, ya, saw that, and that's my belief for a while now. There is no doubt in my mind this is BK's attempt to hold onto control of "his" club.
154 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:30:45
Get beat on Saturday and Martinez will be a Patient in The Royal....
How is he still in his job? Our Board of clowns make Aston Villa's board look competent!
Make no mistake if he is still in charge at the start of next season we will do a Villa.
155 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:32:15
Dave is right. We can't just come on here, but be silent during the games otherwise we're part of the problem. Sod being 'nice', RM continually treats us like mugs, let's get the singing going. As well as the suggested chant, we should also sing a few 'You're getting sacked in the morning...'
156 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:34:30
157 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:35:07
Frank De Boer...Welcome to Goodison!.
158 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:35:26
159 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:41:39
160 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:49:10
161 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:51:31
Anything like a walk out, or non attendance will only look really impressive if more than half of the people in the ground take part and the gaps are huge. That will take a lot of doing.
On the other hand 3000 tennis balls raining downing on the pitch requires less than 1 tenth of the crowd and would look amazing. Or 3000 paper aeroplanes saying Martinez out, or what about 3000 beach balls easy to get in deflated and would wreak havoc. You can even write on beach balls to help get the message across.
If we're really lucky one of them might even nick us a goal.
162 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:55:37
163 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:57:44
164 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:01:48
165 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:03:12
166 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:04:36
167 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:06:34
168 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:07:38
169 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:07:40
170 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:10:18
171 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:13:52
"Anything like a walk out, or non attendance will only look really impressive if more than half of the people in the ground take part and the gaps are huge. That will take a lot of doing."
Sadly, Steve, hasn't that already effectively happened at GP on a number of occasions, both this season and last, with the faithful leaving in droves well before the final whistle?
As you say, to drive match-going fanatics to such drastic action 'took a lot of doing!'
172 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:15:36
the board need to act now. David Moyes was one of the highest payed managers in the league. I am sure there would be managers queuing up to be give the chance to turn things round.....and please not Mark Hughes
174 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:32:53
As for Bill. The German hierarchy complained of the Hapsburg empire during WW1 and compared them to being "shackled to a corpse".
Bill is well and truly bound to one now.
175 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:35:43
176 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:38:44
177 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:42:31
I do wonder how we will fare against the Cherries, without Barry and Jags, who have been our brains and heart this season.
This could be a repeat of the crazy game down south, with our defensive problems.
I am truly sick of the Martinez saga and every time I see his face or hear one of his platitudes, I grit my teeth.
The mention of the "ninth " best budget sums up this man's cunningness, he is a master of spin and probably convinces himself that he is right.
If only he was right, and we were just a few small adjustments away from big things!
178 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:45:21
179 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:46:04
Complaint, Everton staff andTitled it The Manager.
Comments: Complete as you wish I have received an email,saying customer services will be in touch !
If enough people do this it will swamp the website.
180 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:48:36
181 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:48:46
182 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:50:02
HE IS GOING NOWHERE!!!
Season on season decline............
We are the new Aston Villa. Lets keep heading for that iceberg.
If he's here next season then next season is a write off for me.
183 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:57:32
"I've given my position very serious thought....and I've decided to announce that......I'm staying!"
Let's face it we're a small time club under Kenwright and friends, just making up the numbers. This is just another reminder if it were needed.
184 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:58:10
185 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:02:21
I would sincerely hope that the short list would not include the name of Mark Hughes. He is simply not the man to take us forward. There are many other totally unsuitable names being bandied around. Our club is at the crossroads. It is not an early decision which is required. It is the right decision.
186 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:04:25
No I'm not a Martinez fan and I want him out but I believe we should have won a cup this season, if that had happened, how many would have still sacked him?
187 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:07:55
We have started a petition which is now gathering momentum, especially after last week. On our page, you will hopefully see that like all of us, we have sat back and watched over the last 18 months, as our GREAT club, is without doubt, spiraling from potential, regular top five contenders, to possible, relegation strugglers. This is not acceptable. Nor should we allow others to tell us, that we have been over achieving. We are EVERTON Football Club!
So, in this age of the soundbite & â€˜I can't be arsed', we have made things easyâ€¦ on our site there is a free download into your phone or an A4 poster to download and print.
After what's been happening lately, we can't see these staying in our pockets for long. No noiseâ€¦ so no upsetting our team, just a simple message to our current manager and the board.
SACK Martinez NOW!
188 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:08:05
They know by now the massive discontent amongst the fans, by remaining silent their just inviting trouble at future games. Is Bungling Bill calling the fans bluff?
Back him or SACK him. Simple.
190 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:17:21
191 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:19:25
192 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:27:40
There are three main scenarios as I see it....
1) Martinez has been given support from the Board - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week.
2) Martinez has heard nothing from the Board - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week.
3) Martinez has been told that he's on his way - he carries on as normal and picks up (lets say) £50k per week until they sort his compensation package out.
My guess is it's No.2
I bet he's as in the dark as we are, looking over his shoulder expecting to see an axe dropping every time he turns around... but see's nothing but the dusty corridors of Goodison Park echoing with the distant groans of managers long gone by...
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock....
193 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:28:31
Worst case scenario: Martinez stays and leads the team into the relegation zone by Christmas at which point he is sacked and the only one available is the current 'OFM'.
Seeing as the last home game is probably Howard's last game with the club where he will deserve a great send off, this Saturday's game is the only chance to let the board know how the supporters feel. I know a lot of ideas have been floating around but there really is nothing more effective than seeing a nearly empty Goodison park. Martinez will lose his 'the crowd made us nervous' excuse and will give the board something to think about...
My hope in Mr. Moshiri was crushed today and it seems like business as usual with Kenwright & Co. Only the 36000+ who have tickets for Saturday's game can help save the club...It's a big sacrifice to make but something has to change soon because Year 4 is where Martinez really fires up his relegation engine...
194 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:32:51
195 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:34:08
196 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:39:02
199 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:42:21
They openly use the terms 'snake oil salesman' and purveyor of 'alxhemy' and 'tiki-taka elixir'.
In short we have become a public laughing stock. Do we, and more importantly the board, seriously want our club to become a continuous source of public amusement?
Why are we having to go through this purgatory day after day? Surely even BK can see the evidence before his eyes?
We don't need our club's name becoming a figure of fun in the eyes of the press and the public. Get rid of him now before it's too late.
201 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:45:51
202 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:47:26
In over 24 months you haven't.
Let's hope BK does not want the legacy of the man that seen Evertons top flight football end, cause it's certainly close.
203 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:47:48
I hate Martinez and never wanted him employed, I never could get out of my head that we are employing a guy who got his team relegated. Now we're going for another journeyman in Hughes and I'm sure he's also been relegated (QPR), he's certainly never done anything even with City's millions.
Stoke are awful! Why do I have to go to the worse ground in the country, why do we have the worse management and board in the country. Yet why is it we have the best fans in the country (by a mile)...
I've always supported Kenwright but I suppose I have to concede he is the man at the top and he must be responsible for our dramatic decline. Now to add to everything else we are going for "Mark Hughes", I feel physically sick about it.
204 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:55:48
205 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:01:55
Relegation with a Cup win.
5th - cos he got found out near the end of the season and had the Moyes defence.
11th - cos he didn't change from Plan A.
11th in all probability - cos he stuck to his Plan A. Two semis cocked up !
Verdict - OUT OUT OUT !!!
207 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:08:29
We have talked and talked and made ourselves angry for far too long. Does anyone else feel its time to now go beyond words and take action? Its all very well us hiding behind websites like this but for anyone who GENUINELY wants Martinez out.
We have to go to Goodison and boo for large periods of the game whether we are playing well or not.
We have to walk down by the ground and shout Martinez out until we can be heard and others join in.
It's our club, not his, and its gone on for far too long.
It's all very well coming on here showing your anger and frustration but Martinez and Kenwright will never hear us until we take this to a much higher level.
208 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:13:07
They do. One FA Cup win.
To to be fair to him he's not wrong..
I am more convinced than I was at 10 this morning.
209 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:13:26
210 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:17:12
I think he's only concern is losing his fat salary. Roberto you couldn't run a bath !
211 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:18:44
Can we please knock the Mark Hughes rumours on the head as well - it would be touch or go whether I'd prefer Martinez to stay on rather than this serial under- performer. David Moyes gave me some great memories around the 2009 mark, and steadied the ship - but a successful second coming - no chance! Can the board and ownership thing BIG for once!
214 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:24:13
216 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:31:07
It's getting worse with the name of Mark Hughes being mentioned! I wasn't that keen on Pellegrini but I would grab him with both hands right now!
217 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:34:51
219 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:39:39
You fluked a first season by using your principles on a defensively sound Moyes platform. The wheels fell off in the preseason of last year and have never recovered. Tranmere and Paderborn illustrated the problem, and Chelsea did just the same in our own backyard.
You have a talented squad, that is under performing the days of Smith and Walker. Unless you address your principles and back room staff, there is no conversation to be had with any Evertonian. You're a nice guy, but clearly out of your depth.
220 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:42:04
The man is/has been ill. With what precisely I really don't know but I hope none of his loved ones read some of these comments.
However, agree with all we need RM gone, and with most not Hughes in.
222 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:58:56
Personally I will never forgive him for unsettling Lescott with continual bids until he eventually got his man and set Everton's pre season planning back weeks.
Other than that, there aren't many out there who wouldn't be an improvement on Martinez. He is an absolute joke who the fans can see through but apparently not the board.
223 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:02:56
Since then Everton have been playing like a League One side, cannot string two wins together, he is destroying Everton just like he did with Wigan.
If he is still manager for next season I can only suggest that Everton fans might as well not bother, hang up those shirts because it's going to be an even more pain full experience for Evertonians next season.
We need a manager who can turn Everton into the Harlem Globe Trotters of football. Martinez isn't it.
224 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:05:57
225 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:07:27
227 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:14:21
I conclude over the last 2 seasons that Roberto should be sacked.
Be gone and take the rest of your Wiganisation brigade with you.
228 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:20:17
Part 1. Hughes and Koeman were mentioned on radio Talkbollox this morning about which two clubs in the EPL.
Part 2. Why?
229 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:22:30
I said just that I am ceasing to care....jeez I wish....I am fucking livid that idiot is still there and not been sacked by now. Ratcliffe coming out with club propaganda has only reinforced my determination to take part in any protest being planned for Saturday. I have just about had enough of this shithouse club....being the laughing stock of everyone especially the gobshites across the park. I will be doing my bit on Saturday and also for the rest of this miserable season. Its just too awful to contemplate that fucking prick being in charge come August.
230 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:23:09
233 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:33:47
234 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:36:08
1; has it actually been confirmed by a trusted source that there is a board meeting today?
2. The votes of the board members has no relation to the shareholding-currently Moshiri's rep has one vote even though that vote carries 49% of the shareholding. This will change when elections to the board are held and Moshiri can use his shareholding power to vote in more reps to the board. That is my understanding and experience of how a board of directors works but this is Everton and the board seem to make it up as they go along.
235 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:38:03
Martinez could leave, but that's not going to happen. He has supreme belief in his skills as manager; he just needs more time...Riiight.
They're both completely oblivious to what is completely obvious to everyone else in the universe.
236 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:42:45
I was going to post but you beat me to it and put it better than I could. Think you've nailed it there for the majority of fans. Adios El Payasa.
237 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:47:12
239 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:50:59
240 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:57:11
Do the right thing Everton board and sack him now. I pray there is something going on behind the scenes. He cannot remain as our manager.
241 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:57:53
It's as if he hasn't got the balls to get rid of Martinez before the end of the season and look like the bad guy that he would rather put him through what could be an uncomfortable/hostile situation at Goodison so that he can say "look I would still keep you on but when the whole crowd turns against you it leaves me with no choice".
242 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:00:03
“You cannot fix a problem that you refuse to acknowledge.â€
“The combination of power, optimism and abstract thinking makes powerful people more certain. The more cut-off they are from others, the more confident they are that they are right.â€
Martinez is deluded. I do judge him over 3 seasons, not the last 3 months. He has to go.
243 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:01:30
However, we all have to go to the ground this Saturday and you don't even need to buy a ticket to get your anger across as. Simply gathering in pockets around the outside of the stadium and demonstrating will make you guys heard. The people holding banners up are the brave ones that started this so join them and if we all got together and did the same they would have to listen as the media are well on to this and when the media smell blood they don't let go.
244 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:07:08
I'm not holding my breath over this and I'm not too convinced by Moshiri either tbh, they look like two peas in a pod.
245 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:10:08
Alas, we have no choice but to do everything in our power to make Saturday's game as unbearable for the people running our club as they have made it supporting them this past couple of years.
We may not get another chance as when are last game is played. They will all be in hiding till next year. Support the team blues but let's get rid of this clown!
246 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:11:15
"We just do nothing and be told to do nothing by ex captains."
I remember an " ex captain" who in 1912 thought he knew best as well.
I think it's about time our Leonado Di Kenwright (want you to be in the best of health by the way) shuffled off into the golden/bronze sunset and let the real black/white business men take over the running of our club.
Have no fear Bill,
go now and we'll applaud you every time we see you at Goodison.
If you stay, then, .....
247 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:13:34
Seriously, everyone do it, the email was sent and received, so it's going somewhere at the club.
Inundate them as well as a match protest. Everyone, however small and insignificant you may feel it is, just do something,anything, to get our point across.
Hit them from all possible angles, non-violently of course.
248 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:13:52
249 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:14:41
250 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:15:42
His desperation comforts me.
This man had aspirations of being Barcalona coach.
This man had hopes of being his national team coach.
Wigan relegated, Everton decimated. That's now a poor CV.
He knows the gig is up. He'd tell us Eve came first if it kept him in situ.
The final pleading words of a condemned man.
251 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:21:53
252 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:22:38
Don't spout the history bollocks either. Mid table team, 9th biggest budget as the clown told us today and getting further and further behind clubs with new stadiums. There has to be some realism here.
Heard on Talksport this morning Hughes signed Kompany, Dembele and Arnautavic, which surprised me however that's not to say I'd be over the moon if he came because I'd love a top manager with league and European winning c.v it just isn't going to happen. The closest one to that potentially available would be Benitez and 70% of fans would have an anuerism if that happened.
254 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:24:47
It's going to take some convincing by Mr Kenwright to keep Martinez.
If Martinez wants patience, I will leave my season ticket till 17/18. More games in the Championship!
255 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:26:17
I didn't look at TW much back in 2003/04 but I'm guessing the vitriol against Moyes to leave was nowhere near this level.
256 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:26:26
"I think the man does protest too much" .... if his record can withstand such scrutiny, why does he have to keep makinng speeches mentioning it. I never remember Fergs doing this each season the manure did not win a trophy!
Winning the FA Cup is a lovely thing and I've seen the boys do it at Wembley three times, but in the end it is a lottery and coming up for a few games a season,
This is his CV, an FA Cup win!!!!! Joe Royle left in the same time frame so why does he think he has the right to expect more!
257 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:53:40
OI useless arse I listened to talkspit on EFC this morning and never heard a word of that.
Please explain yourself or STFU.
At the end of the day Martinez is a useless MF and does not deserve to be in GB let alone England. But I would say that they, the shites across the park could have him for what they gave for Andy Carrol.
258 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:56:57
I wasn't a visitor to TWeb when Moyes was here so drew my own conclusions at the time and was a very appreciative of him. I had him nailed on as Sir Whiskey Nose's replacement years before it happened and whilst I despised Benitez with venom when he was at the redshite I would accept him if the opportunity arose.
Anthony - 224. You're a mere sprog, mate! HaHa. I've got a couple of years on you although didn't know I had been born a Blue until I was about 16/17. But I am just as frustrated. Pulling my frigging hair out.
This morning I had a moment of euphoria while I was in my car (parked up) browsing the BBC sport site and I read the words 'So Martinez has departed...' cue jubilant cheering but read on to see that he had simply departed the pressie.
259 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:10:21
I have just had a stroke. What amazing job did he do with us? Top 8 club – where is the NSNO, hey?
And ask any Man Utd fans what they thought of him after 6 months with a free open cheque and having taken over the last Champions.
261 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:14:45
It would be very interesting to see what percentage of blues still support this goon. Surely it can only be 1% or 0.5%. Would he be still at Man Utd or at the RS? We know the answer...
So why is he still around? Act now, Everton, not in December, when we will languish at the bottom of the league.
Kenwright is running our club like one of his West End kiosk shops. Get rid.
262 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:22:52
Insulting to our supporters for many reasons, but by far the biggest is having the worst home record EVER in our history, it rewards failure to keep him in the job.
How supporter's of other clubs must be laughing at us. l know a lot of City and United fans who are baffled by the way our club is run, it won't end until Kenwright disappears.
264 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:32:52
265 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:36:24
Complete bullshit, Moyes was not given the money to spend at United. That was Van Gaal the next summer who spent hundreds of millions only to achieve no better and actually worse than Moyes. Moyes was allowed to sign Fellaini in the Summer and Mata later, that's about it.
As for what he did here, we were consistency fighting to European places. He had no budget to spend while here unlike Martinez, and achieved far better results and dare I say it, better football to watch. This BS that Martinez teams are good to watch is a myth, we're boring. Most of our possession is passing sideways and backward, we aren't some great attacking threat.
Moyes was far superior to Martinez, and left a damn good team for Martinez, only to see it ripped apart.
266 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:38:29
267 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:45:40
I am not saying Martinez is any good but he's done more in less than 3 years than Moyes did in his first 7 years.
Just remember... Moyes then took control of the Champions. Martinez took over us; enough said.
268 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:59:24
271 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:13:31
You say he had no money at Man Utd... funny that he had huge bids for Baines and Coleman knocked back.
I have to state again, Man Utd were Champions when he took over; he lasted 6 months he was found out with his negative football... fact.
So go on, next comment.
272 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:19:17
Problem being for me.
He is just not up to the job of achieving his objective and we know it, the players know it but for some reason the board don't.
Saturday beckons then.
273 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:31:01
BK has held the club back for too many years....he should move over now. We can live in hope and look forward to some big rebuilding in the close season.
274 Posted 28/04/2016 at 22:38:38
Aw' shit! that's it! no more, I give in, I am sick of reading or hearing about him and his cosy relationship with Kenwright.
We have been taken for a ride by a pair of self-satisfied self-serving conceited bastards that demonstrate their utter contempt for your average supporter.
Only on this side of the park would they get away with that kind of arrogance. I am damn sure that Kopites would run them out of town.
276 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:17:59
277 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:27:02
278 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:30:03
279 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:30:06
280 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:32:29
281 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:36:03
282 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:44:45
We are not going to tolerate your mediocrity any more, the last two seasons have proven the first season was a fluke and using the backbone of the ginger looser's squad.
Mediocrity after mediocrity is just not good enough.
I just hope the rumours about Hughes are just that because again he is another bang average manager.
Everton need to reach for the stars and think big and be brave in trying to get the best man for the job that they can convince to take us back to the summit!
283 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:14:05
Fact over fiction and anecdotes, and we will see what the new members of the board mean, in terms of realistic aspirations for EFC. It's the time for a reality check, and facts are there for the world to see. In EFC and playwright style, this could be an epic... Saturday will soon arrive.
Friday if a meeting in the smoke is true, may just be a screen, for the final epic. If we don't get a point from the last 4 games, it's a good chance of eternal damnation. Why is it us?
We all deserve a summer of peace but this facade, can't run for ever, as even the Manager, is now admitting, it's not good enough, honest, but 20 months of decline, is enough. NSNO!
284 Posted 28/04/2016 at 00:19:31
Kenwright is the worst thing that has happened to Everton FC in the last 20 years. He claims to be an Evertonian yet the facts say different; he refuses to speak to fans whenever they confront him with topics that relate to the running of the club, but embarrassingly gushes over a failing manager in front of the cameras.
He claimed to be looking for a new owner for years, but what we see now is, he wanted to earn millions from the sale yet retain control.
I'm afraid all our joy at the Moshiri 'takeover' may be wishful thinking: it looks just like the Robert Earl situation, and the sickening part for me was seeing King Bullshit with his arm draped over Farhad telling the world 'What a manager' we had. Where was he after the derby defeat?
I don't care if he is supposed to be ill (more reason for him to stay away if he is), he's made more money out of Everton FC than thousands of fans put together will earn in their collective lives, so after making his fortune, why won't he walk away and save our great institution from more damage?
The answer seems to be he's a control freak, and I fear he is determined to prove us all wrong by keeping HIS man in charge. So prepare to see Snr Jabberwocky in charge come August. As a fan who 'really did' serve his apprenticeship in the Boys Pen, I have to say I've never been so disgusted with the people running Everton FC.
285 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:37:39
I cling to the hope that the absence of comment is the precursor to an imminent sacking. PLEASE.
286 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:53:27
287 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:59:00
288 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:08:07
289 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:21:05
(BBC gossip column)
290 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:21:22
291 Posted 29/04/2016 at 01:52:44
And that's sort of the case here as well I've nothing to add; you guys n gals said it all. In a few cases, maybe too much? Just kidding. ;-)
But there is one thing I can say before I head back into lurkerdom, and it's a big THANK YOU to everyone who takes the time to type out something here, and share your feelings about this special club of ours. It means more to people like me than you'd know.
Where I'm living these days, I've no one to speak with about the footy I barely even speak the language. In all of my 25 mostly loooong years of support, I've not felt this level of disenchantment or malaise about the club, and what's happening (or not happening, as it may be) within and without.
Even through the couple relegation scares that I remember, I wasn't at this level of aggro about all things Everton. Apart from a few isolated moments, I've hated almost every minute of this season, and I'm generally a pretty positive, mellow dude about almost everything.
Which brings me back to this gratitude I have for this site, the editors, and mostly you all. It makes a world of difference for me to know that my EFC brethren and sistren worldwide are feeling the same things I do, to the extent that I do.
So, please keep posting and venting and raging, ToffeWebbers you're definitely speaking for me, too. As my favourite band The Stranglers sang, Something Better Change. :-)
294 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:17:26
295 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:22:12
296 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:08:07
On a more scary note, I heard on Talksport (OK I know, consider the source) that Everton want Hughes as their new Manager.
No we don't.
297 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:18:45
Everyone I've told has the same disappointed face. Everyone I speak to thinks Martinez should've been sacked weeks ago.
Now, with Mark Hughes's appointment likely, how is it the Board are so out of touch with the fans...?? Disgraceful!
299 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:55:28
301 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:06:03
302 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:24:19
Judge me over three seasons not three months, fine we have a team in free fall, going backwards and team and squad that looks old, tired and lacking not only defensive quality but in creativity also.
Who apart from Barkley and perhaps Mirallas do we have that can create chances on a regular basis for the strikers or should I say striker. Even here ime being generous as its debatable that Barkley or Mirallas are consistent enough to hold onto a shirt.
Defensively its all been said and none of it good, Alcatraz anyone?
303 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:31:57
304 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:46:20
As a blue I hope you share our pain.
Quite simply Roberto Martinez cannot remain as manager of Everton FC. I am sure you know the statistics involved so there is no need for me to repeat them but have a close look at them they are shocking and no befitting our beloved blues.
I worry that you rushed into his appointment and did not study his career and abilities. have spoken at length with many Wigan fans and studied his statistics. Without boring you he took over Wigan when they had just finished 11th in the Premier League. Under Martinez the best they achieved before being relegated was 15th. They shipped loads of goals and had a shocking win ratio. Sound familiar?
The Wigan fans I speak to questioned all the things we do regarding Roberto,
1. Players lack of fitness
2. No plan B and refuses to change
3. Poor in game management
4. Poor quality of incoming players
Martinez relegated Wigan with players such as Alcaraz, Kone and Robles who Wigan fans did not think we're good enough for Wigan yet you allowed him to bring them to Everton along with a unknown back room staff.
I implore you to start showing ambition for Everton FC starting with the inevitable sacking of Martinez. He may be a nice man but he clearly is not up to managing Everton FC.
You wouldn't let someone who couldn't sing play the lead role in one of your musicals so why oh why are you allowing an incapable manager lead our beloved blues.
Please do the right thing.
305 Posted 30/04/2016 at 12:24:37
I'm out. Whilst I'm Blue through and through I can't go on. Madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Watching Everton in the Kenwright era is madness. I cringe when I think how much of the last twenty years have been spent following, watching, debating and supporting our once great club. I could have invested less time or even no time and I wouldn't of missed much of note.
I'm proud of our history, of our values and of my fellow blues. But this club has been so systematically run into the ground that it's not only sad, but also now mildly embarrassing. I didn't even bother to watch the "defining week" but just checked on the results on here, oh and the text messages from "sympathetic" RS.
As much as it hurts to read about our capitulations at Wembley and Anfield, it hurts a lot less than watching or god forbid attending in person. Match going blues, especially away fans, have my ultimate respect as I just could not go and watch EFC at present. Of course, you never like losing, but the manner of the defeats is so maddening that I cannot watch anymore.
Of course, Moshiri is here and when he starts asserting himself upon the club I will cautiously start watching again. But as long as Kenwright is here, I'm just not prepared to involve myself. The man is a complete inadequate and his performance as chairman wholly unacceptable. After he's gone, I expect a history of Everton will conclude this as well. His calamitous reign is the single biggest reason why we are where we are.
Sadly, this season has been a complete vindication of what others on here posted for years. Michael Kenrick used to be so fiery and ferocious in his statement that the league was there to be won, that a glass ceiling was just that, that for sure money was a factor â€“ a factor not THE factor. Leicester of course have proved him to be absolutely correct. Tragically a better chairman would have set us up to be a Leicester. Sadly even Michael Kenrick seems to be as jaded as many of the rest of us. He seems to be not even angry just numb at watching this slow motion nightmare.
Ken Buckley couldn't even review the shambles at Anfield. So many names I used to see on here are gone, I assume as a consequence of alienation from the club they love. I'm not the the only one tuning out, clearly.
I'll just read about them on here until Moshiri starts calling the shots. Until the Kenwright era is over the best fans in the world can expect more of the same not good enough incompetent amateurish rubbish.
KENWRIGHT OUT, MARTINEZ OUT
306 Posted 30/04/2016 at 12:28:12
Every fan should let the club know this afternoon that this twat has to go and go soon... We are staring at the abyss.
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