27 years later, Justice for the 96

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Jurors in the inquest into the Hillsborough disaster have ruled that 96 Liverpool supporters were unlawfully killed and that fans were not to blame.

The verdict comes as painfully belated exoneration for Liverpool's fans who were blamed for the deaths by South Yorkshire police, a fallacy perpetuated most glaringly by The Sun newspaper, and vindication for the families who fought to bring the real truth to light.

The jury gave their answers to 14 questions at the courtroom in Birchwood Park, Warrington and delivered a damning verdict on the police's handling of both the planning, management and aftermath of the FA Cup semi-final at Sheffield Wednesday's stadium in April 1989 and cleared supporters of any culpability.

Everton FC and its fans have stood side by side with Liverpool FC, its fans and the families of the 96 who lost their lives on the terraces at Hillsborough for 27 long years and there will be joy and vindication in the city coupled with deep sadness for those who died and lingering anger that it took so long for the cover-up to be brought to light.

As evertonfc.com so nicely put it, theirs is the greatest victory in the history of football.


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Mike Hughes
1 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:14:28
I hope they sue the deceitful, lying police for everything they've got and win again. And that gobshite Kelvin McKenzie et al. (And I'm the most biased and bigoted Blue there is.)
Steve Brown
2 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:17:09
Hillsborough about more than establishment cover up of tragic deaths. Also about a state-led cultural vilification of a city and its people. Irvine Welsh today.
Steve Brown
3 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:20:47
A gross miscarriage of justice, institutional cover-up on a national scale, a press-led campaign of villification and a stain on this country. All acceptable because the 96 fans, beloved fathers, sons, daughters, came from Liverpool.
Brian Williams
4 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:26:29
At last! The OP carries a message too.
Phil Bellis
5 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:27:01
Accepting the part played by the yob culture that latched onto football, how did society ever let caging fans become acceptable?
I hope all the guilty parties get there's
Ian Jones
6 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:27:45
Steve, agree with you. As has been said before, it could have happened to any set of familes and associated clubs. Must be an amazing but surreal feeling for those people involved after fighting for so many years.

And you just know it's not going away. Assume now there will be ongoing criminal investigations.

Mike Moore
7 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:27:59
All those that ARE to blame need to become accountable immediately. Including editors of certain newspapers!
Brent Stephens
8 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:28:01
It's only taken over a quarter of century to get to the truth. The Shrewsbury 24 (incl Rickie Tomlinson of the Royale Family) still can't get official papers released after over 30 years - imprisoned for so-called conspiracy and threatening behaviour on a picket line, when there was no such behaviour, no cautions or arrests at the time, and then a knock on the door and arrest months after.

And like the case against the Orgreave picket miners in the 80s which was thrown out of court - the sequence of events in the video of the clash with police was reversed to show (misleadingly) the miners initiating the clash.

And so it goes on.

Ste Wallace
9 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:29:37
The Hillsborough disaster shocked sport, and finally after 27 years the familys and the city has justice.

RIP the 96. God bless the families who never gave up. The city united.

Gordon Crawford
10 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:30:47
Maybe those dear families can have some peace now.
Truly horrific what happened. Should never have happened.
Mark Andersson
11 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:34:27
Wow 27 years gone just like that. I remember it like yesterday. I was working as a entertainer at Litherland British legion, the MC that night was a blue, he announced unashamedly that he didn't care because Everton where through to the final.

Little did he know at the time the full extent of the full tragedy that unfolded.

I lost a good friend there, I also felt that Liverpool would go on to win the cup.

Ged Simpson
12 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:36:26
You are right Brent. The powerful look after their own so well and cover up miscarriages as a matter of course.

This must be such a sad victory for the campaigners on reflection. Did any ever want to be campaigners ? They'd swap another day with their loved ones for any of this I imagine.

It will be a rare miscarriage victory too now Legal Aid has been slashed.

No joy in this for anyone.

Steavey Buckley
13 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:38:48
Those Liverpool fans, who mostly came from Liverpool, are mourned by all in the city, were betrayed by South Yorkshire police, who failed to protect them, but lied about them instead, should be ashamed. Because every person who goes to a licensed event (football or not) should be protected by the police, because that is their job and responsibilty. So there can never be justification for excuses from the police.
Don Alexander
15 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:49:35
The evidence collected by the police at the time, from both South Yorkshire and then West Midlands, shows that immediate action was taken from day one to obtain ANY evidence at all of Liverpool fans' misbehaviour, literally above all else. All of this evidence is available for free off the internet.

So now there needs to be an investigation into police officers who caused the deaths and another into who in the police initiated and took part in seeking to blame the Liverpool fans.

I also expect that one knighthood will be stripped from its odious recipient as soon as possible, and that certain former city councillors are today hanging their heads in shame.

Garry Corgan
16 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:53:24
Everton's statement:

"Everton Football Club salutes the Hillsborough families and their total vindication as Fighters for Justice."

"Theirs is the greatest victory in the history of football."

"RIP, the 96. Good night, God bless."

"From us across the Park."

Keith Glazzard
17 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:56:35
Justice. The families rightly celebrate, and we are all with them.
Next? For me, the awful, terrible decisions of the day are less important (no disrespect to the dead intended) than what happened next. The falsified, rewritten police reports. The MP who the Scum quoted and then the Scum itself. And of course the government of the day. These people will never be brought to justice. I would dearly love to be proved wrong.
Dave Ganley
18 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:59:19
Can only reiterate what all other posts have said. Maybe the 96 can finally rest in peace and the South Yorkshire Police, the s*n and everyone else who lied get their just desserts.

RIP 96

Ged Simpson
19 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:16:03

RIP and sympathy to families after a long struggle
Guy Hastings
20 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:21:50
Not a day for anything Blue-related in my book.
Ian Burns
22 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:27:23
Blue or Red, we are of one city and with all other blues we can say at long last justice has been finally achieved.

How those families have lived through 27 years of torment I will never know - nothing but my respect for the agonies of those families involved and the courage they have shown.

I hope the criminal justice system now does the right thing and follow this through to the bitter end for those who have been found guilty of unlawful killing.

RIP - and I hope you can all now at least live in some peace at last.

David Hallwood
23 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:08:20
I was at Villa Park on that horrible horrible day- there but for the grace of god. Where the same people from the same city some where rowdy, drunk etc watched a game of football without any incidents.

It was a massive fuck up by south yorks police and sheff wed who given they staged semi finals every year should've had it down to a fine art.

27 years justice at last.

Roy Johnstone
24 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:21:32
I just hope Duckenfield, Bettison and their gang of scumbags get charged after this. Manslaughter due to neglect of care is mass murder in this case.
David Cornmell
25 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:38:39
Twenty Seven years to arrive at this....that what we saw with our own eyes is what happened?

I was eight years old when Hillsborough happened. I'm thirty five now.
Well it took forty five years to clear Derek Bentley so I guess we're making progress.

Twenty seven years to decide the fans had done nothing wrong and in the aftermath were the heroes. Twenty seven years to work out what I knew as an eight year old. The fans had done nothing wrong. They were the heroes of the day. There was no pissing on the dead, robbing of the dead, or sexual molestation of the dead and injured.

Twenty seven years to get to what an eight year old knew on the day. Is that good enough?
Christine Foster
26 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:04:04
The smears by police, politicians and most disgracefully, The Sun, should never be forgotten nor forgiven. Today many wrongs were put right, many truths acknowledged and many miss-truths condemned and so it should be.

The acts and deeds of a few incompetent police and officials on the day cost the lives of 96 friends, family and loved ones. The subsequent recriminations led by press, politicians and police besmirched a city, its people and its standing in the world.
Today 96 people can rest in peace.

Today all those who lied, mislead, besmirched the fans, the people of Liverpool and the memories of loved ones there can be no peace. We will not forget who you are, we will not forget what you said and what you did.

We are Liverpool, We are Everton. We are one.
Joe Foster
27 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:30:15
I was dug in on the side of a mountain when I was told the news. It was the day I started smoking.

RIP the 96.

Ray Roche
28 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:30:30
I think that the FA should also shoulder a considerable amount of blame. Poor choice of venue, inconsiderate allocation of ground end meaning Liverpool fans had to travel to the far end of the ground etc. And the bastards have learned nothing, fans are last in line for any consideration, you only have to look at last weeks fiasco with the travelling arrangements for a semi final when there is also a Marathon being run that weekend, no trains, loads of fans travelling from the north down south.....that could have been a recipe for disaster. They've learned nothing.
Tom Cuffe
29 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:33:26
Justice at last, a great day for the families of the victims, I was 13 when it happened and remember it like it was yesterday. RIP 96 gone but never fogotten.
Tony Stanley
30 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:36:55
As an Evertonians from the city of Liverpool this day of justice is long overdue, my greatest respects to the HJC a day they and our great city will be forever proud of.
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:46:38
Justice at last. Most of us from Liverpool knew someone who was affected either directly, or indirectly, by this tragedy. In my case a friend of my younger brother.

I hope these families can now find some peace and closure after so many years.

Peter McHugh
33 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:59:04
I was only 10 and I guess shielded from the tragedy. Never really understood until recently and naive in terms of what really happened. I don't mean on the day but rather what followed - the cover up, lies and the intentional blame apportioned to the fans.

Last few years have read and listened - the actions of police, media, even the designers, architects, surveyors, local authorities of the stadium, Clough and other "celebrities". Makes me absolutely ashamed of the human race. The FA should hang their heads. So so so sad.

Thank you to the families for their courage and fight and hopefully their love ones can now RIP.

Kieran Carr
34 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:03:26
Finally. I pray it brings some peace to the families.
Ian Brandes
35 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:13:54
Prosecutions please, the cover up was appalling and noxious. No one should be above the law.

Let us hope we will soon see real justice being done.

Tony Abrahams
37 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:21:49
I am of the opinion, that there can be no justice. 96 people went to a football match, and never came home. The police and Goverment, concocted a disgraceful story, with the help of most of the gutter press of the time.

I hope the people who lied, have their liberty taken away, and that's nothing I could ever say lightly.

The British Goverment, the master of the cover-up, have today been exposed, with the truth finally coming out in the end.

To the families I have nothing but respect, but for Thatcher and her aids, and David Duckingfield, the man responsible because of a catastrophic mistake, I have nothing but contempt.

Why did you cause so much more pain for everyone involved? YOU FUCKING HORRIBLE HEARTLESS BASTARDS.

Ian Bennett
38 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:35:53
Justice in the end fighting the authorities to get the truth, although sadly too late for some. I hope this brings peace to those affected. We will never forget, but I hope for those families they can move on.

We believe that the UK is a free society. That such injustices will never happen. Tell that to the families in Aberfan, tell that to the young kids in care homes.

I give great tribute to the families, key figures and the city for standing behind that fight. Stereotypical cat calling and intimidation to hide the truth, it must never be allowed to happen again.

Eugene Ruane
39 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:37:50
Impossible to be able to really put yourself in the position of those who lost loved ones, then had to watch as the forces of 'law and order' and the establishment not only sought to cover up their 'mistakes', but to point the finger of blame at the victims.

Impossible also to imagine losing someone in such tragic circumstances, then hear of 'newspaper' articles concerned, not with the truth, but with reinforcing lazy stereotypes, completely invented by venal scumbags like Kelvin McKenzie in his arse-wipe poisonous comic.

The lives of the relatives and friends of the victims changed forever in 1989 and will never be the same, but I hope the decision today gives them something approaching relief.

I also hope there's is swift justice on the way for those accountable.

Thoughts with the families and friends of the victims.

Colin Malone
43 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:10:30
That could have been us if the draw went differently.

Mind you does anyone remember when we played Barnsley a couple of rounds before, yes Yorkshire. I remember we where getting crushed and then they opened the front gate pitch side behind the goal to relieve the crushing. we had to shout to get the gate open and let supporters move to another area. Does anyone remember?
Andy Crooks
44 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:25:16
I am glad that this is the leading story on ToffeeWeb. A day for justice. What happened on the day was unthinkable. I do not have words to describe what happened after. Dignified, good people have got justice. Some others should rot in shame.
Martin Mason
45 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:34:03
Steve@2/3. It was nothing to do with the City of Liverpool. The police would have done the same for fans from any club in the same circumstances.

Whilst I am extremely glad that those killed at Hillsborough will now get their justice and those responsible will get theirs, I would hope that the 39 people who died at Heysel will also eventually get theirs. They were also victims of treating football fans as animals

Dave Abrahams
46 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:50:20
Ninety six died that tragic day but hundreds maybe thousands lost their lives with them, you don't have to die to lose your life.

Hopefully a lot of those sad families can get some peace of mind now, sadly their lives can never be the same.

Rest in peace the ninety six.

Danny O'Neill
47 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:55:56

I remember very well. It was so close to that fateful day and in hindsight, coupled with the fact it was Liverpool's city brethren compounds how chilling an experience it was. The crushing was painful and unbearable; my brother actually passed out despite my attempts to shield him (we had become lodged at the front of a barrier half way down). Somehow and with assistance from those around me, I made a pocket of space and pulled him above the crowd, who duly passed him overhead to the front along with many others in a similar state. After much berating, the Police (fortunately on this occasion) opened the gates to allow supporters onto the pitch perimeter and ease the pressure. I eventually was able to make my way forward and out onto the pitch to find my brother lined up against the fence in a sitting position alongside other traumatised fans although thankfully safe and okay. Others had dislocated ankles and were clearly in a traumatic state but fortunately all lived to tell the tale. I distinctly remember Big Nev being concerned and continuously looking to see what was going on. As you say, we all moved to other areas of the end behind the goal and proceeded us to watch us win 1-0 if I recall. Although, moving to the left hand side corner on the curve, had to subject dodging rocks being hurled by our South Yorkshire compatriots (improvised rocks - the were tearing up parts of the decaying terracing!!!).

Fortunately no one died. Sadly it was the 80s and poor grounds, shocking facilities, a stereotypical view that all football fans were animals and Scousers were scum contributed to this near miss being passed over as a normal day out and scarcely (if at all acknowledged). Institutionally, English football at the time was a disaster waiting to happen. Sadly it was simply a matter of time; we escaped on that day only for our cousins to suffer months later.

Apologies if I sound over the top - like you, it seems like an almost unspoken event that was chillingly close to something that changed the game forever.

Justice for the victims and their families today.

Andy Meighan
48 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:13:25
What can you say about this brilliant site with that headline leading the way? Class personified and just what we've come to expect from the articulate contributors, namely Lyndon and Michael.

I salute this verdict. All those years of pain. I could never ever imagine for one minute what it must be like to lose a daughter, son, husband, wife, etc, to a tragedy like this. To all those who suffered you are in our thoughts. Justice for the 96.
Rick Tarleton
49 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:20:16
Don't forget "The Sun" and its sister papers "The TImes" and "Sunday Times", owned by an American, born in Australia whose lies contributed to the confusion. he's doing the same in his lying rags now to the junior doctors.

Don't forget Brian Clough's lies and innuendos or Boris Johnson's tirade against our city. Bernard Ingham is another of this ilk.
Terry Underwood
51 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:28:36
Looking forward to the headlines of a certain "newspaper" tomorrow
Chris Williams
54 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:47:48
I know Colin but things went on then and started which still go on and are worse now.

This isn't justice yet. This is just clarity and a spotlight on behaviours which were scurrilous and fucking reprehensible.

People need nailing and locking up.

That would be justice.

Not holding my breath.

A fucking dreadful time in the history of our country.

Eugene Ruane
55 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:55:59
Martin Mason - 'Steve@2/3. It was nothing to do with the City of Liverpool. The police would have done the same for fans from any club in the same circumstances.'


But maybe not.

Here's a very general question - what do you think people in Britain think of when they hear 'Leeds'?

Or if you want, you can swap Leeds for Lincoln (or Nottingham or Carlisle or Exeter..)

My guess is they don't think anything in particular.

Liverpool is different.

There aren't 'jokes' (told and understood nationally) about those other cities, based on poverty or thieving or the dole.

'So what's the harm, a few gags?'

The harm is it doesn't end with a few gags, in fact that's usually where problems start.

My genuine belief is that because we've had years of this 'robbing scousers' shite, we are treated differently.

And my guess is, because of the accumulative effect all that shite, policing (or certainly police attitudes) back then could have been different for the visit of Liverpool, than it might have been for the visit of a team from another part of the country.

Maybe in 89, many of Yorkshire's finest were thinking "Scousers? We'll show them who's hard."

What is beyond dispute is that the establishment's greatest single weapon has always been 'divide and conquer', basically making sure the proles don't see the trick because they're watching the sleight-of-hand.

Ernie Baywood
56 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:00:42
Glad to see Justice for the 96. Also feels like a win for all of us. There's never been any doubt in my mind that the police and media set out to smear football fans and scousers. They thought we were easy targets. And there's still many in the country who believe the smears.

I'm assuming we will pay tribute to the fight for justice at our match against Bournemouth.

Colin Gee
57 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:01:19
I like many others was at Villa Park that day, never known a coach so quiet going home after winning a Semi final, no one knew for certain what had happened apart from the game had been abandoned, there was rumour of some deaths and lot's of injuries. We pulled into the first services away from Villa Park and I remember the massive queues at that Service Station of the M6 (Hilton park?) to use the phone boxes there...

Terrible that it has taken 27 years for the truth to finally be reached.

Andrew James
58 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:10:55
I was 10 when it happened. I don't remember anything about our semi, I remember Hillsborough. I don't remember the Liverpool replay. I only recall the final being very emotional and Stuart McCall keeping us in it.

Then you think, as a kid, there will be a line drawn under a tragic time. But there wasn't. That was because of the media, the police and the government. We wouldn't still be talking about this, the relatives and friends of the deceased would have some sense of closure...years ago!

27 years. A lot of lies and a lot of facts ignored for at least two decades. It is disgusting.

Radio 5 Live just read out the names of the 96. It brought a tear to the eye. All those names. So many from Irish backgrounds or John Pauls and one with a middle name of Lennon.

People came out on the day saying the health and safety at the ground was negligible (no fibrillator in the ground) so why has it taken so long to sort it out?

Horrendous by the authorities. Peace to those who perished and their friends and family.

Chris Williams
59 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:12:07
I agree Eugene.

There' s an article in the Guardian which refers to just that point. I've sat in gatherings where just such optiionsn are aired. It's usually ignorant gobshites but in my limited experience it has been people with some sense of superiority or entitlement. Telegraph readers if I can use a lazy stereotype.
Self satisfied pricks.

The Guardian says something along the lines of ' it was encouraged to think about people who lived in Liverpool, a failing Northern city, were in some way different or 'other'

Or something like that

Brent Stephens
60 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:17:36
Interesting to hear Phil Scraton, instrumental in investigating the truth about Hillsborough, comment today that the two-year enquiry just ended would have been far less protracted had barristers for the police not tried to defend the indefensible at the enquiry.
Graham Hammond
62 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:26:37
This was genuinely great (and surprising) news for everyone. What it was not, was justice for the 96, a significant and very important kick start but no more, the 96 deserve changes that sadly will not happen.

What has gone on in the last 27 years highlights just how f**ked up society (the establishment) actually is. That said, I am made up for the families, they must have gone through a hell I hope I will never have to experience.
Alastair Donaldson
63 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:34:33
The bigger the crime, the bigger the amount of people required to cover it up. How the families have had the strength to carry on I will only guess, so much respect to them and the decent people who have supported them and achieved this result.
See the way is (unbelievably) being paved for no convictions already though - if that is the outcome, I hope the families are still left with a feeling that justice was achieved.

I'm not from the city, but started visiting GP in the mid-80s - have wished for this day for a long time now... also that the "Scum" newspaper was run out of business too...

Still, a good day today.

Brian Mahoney
64 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:35:10
Justice at last for the 96 and their families. I only hope now Duckenfield is charged and McKenzie is also put on trial for his part in this attempted cover-up and smearing of the fans and people of our great city.

God bless the families for all what they've been through.
Daniel Joseph
65 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:38:46
Maybe the minority Blues who were singing at Anfield can find another song now.

It wasn't their fault.

Gerard Carey
66 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:50:29
Someone once said that Truth will always come out. Certain of society, those in power might try to hide it, supress it etc but those who believe in what is right will have their day. I am very happy today for the families and the wider circle that makes up city of Liverpool. Truth will always win out. Rest in Peace the 96.
Danny O'Neill
67 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:51:55
Daniel, can we just be clear, Evertonians have always been supportive of the Justice (Hillsborough) campaign. It's a red line I (and I am sure) many others will not step over as it is very personal. However (and I'm assuming now so please do put me back in my box if I have misinterpreted); the "victim" and "murderer" thing has no relation to Hillsborough; it simply digs at their inability to acknowledge they ever do anything wrong.

Sorry, but Heysel was also one of the most tragic events in European football in which Liverpool fans were directly and actively involved, which set English football back by decades; ironically Everton were the ones who suffered most. But we either have to ignore it or be called "bitter Blues" for mentioning it. Likewise, their defense of Suarez was downright embarrassing (the warm up t-shirt moment).

Probably the wrong night for it. Justice for the 96 - no other club has supported them more - but I will never refrain from my right to point out their inability to acknowledge their own hypocrisy. I reiterate, Justice for the 96 fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989. God Bless your memory.
Andrew Heffernan
69 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:02:12
I will never forget that day, from getting on a barnes travel coach to Villa Park, by cousin being what was at the time hilariously searched and finding a golf ball in his pocket from our knock around the night before...

to the groan of delayed play announced, to worse, when sinking in on the coach back, to the raw emotion felt at the rocket at the end of the M62 and being hugged by both parents in Old Swan, to watching MoTD and listening to radio merseyside that night. surreal.

On top of that starting a work experience that week at HSBC Dale St. Ultimately, I will never forget. And neither should any Blue. But for the grace of... we could have been there. And I will never forget their first game back, against us, or the cup final... never forget the 96, reflections of me, you, us all... football fans...

Andy Crooks
70 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:29:29
Eugene #55, a very pertinent point. Liverpool IS different. It is a horrible, snide, we can get away with anything we say because they're Scousers that does not happen to,say, York. It happens to Belfast too.

Ian Cowhig
71 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:31:47
Unfortunately, due to the lies and cover ups, 27 years has elapsed. And I fear that certain people, who were at the root of all of it, will not get their comeuppance.

I was at Villa Park that day. And long before our game had ended. The seeds of misinformation and pushing the blame on to the fans had already started.

I remember being told by someone who had a radio. That Liverpool fans had forced open the gate that Duckenfield eventually admitted 27 years on was opened by his orders.

Absolutely Disgraceful.

RIP 96

Trevor Lynes
72 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:37:12
I have always been so proud of my city of Liverpool.It leads Britain in music, humour and friendliness.It was the very first city that provided 'Pals' battalions in WW1 and the Liverpool Scots provided the only winner of two Victoria crosses.I actually wept during the moving scenes on TV news today and the dignity of the mourners shone through like a beacon.I instantly banned the sun news paper as did thousands of Liverpool and Everton supporters when the head line lies of that particular rag goaded fans of rival clubs to demean our losses of innocent people.In my opinion this campaign has not finished until those cowards who caused this disaster have been punished by the law.The cover up that has dragged this case on for so long is inexcusable.Relatives of those that perished have died without seeing this day and many marriages have been ended in the aftermath.The citizens of Liverpool have shown the rest of Britain how to stand up against crimes committed by so called keepers of the peace.God bless all the hero's who have never stopped their campaign for justice despite the barristers who have tried to protect the police chief's who lied and hid like the hypocrites they are.They quite obviously thought that they were above the law and they need to be brought to book to prove to the citizens of Britain that no one is !
Anthony Dwyer
73 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:59:59
Brilliant result, something the city have craved for.

At last there is an acceptance of blame laid else were other than at the hands of innocent fans.

Colin Gee
74 Posted 27/04/2016 at 00:06:45
Daniel #65 not really the time for it now, but that song was never about Hillsborough. Nor was any other references. Too many split blue/red familes in Liverpool, anyone even suggesting that it was, would have got a slap.

Andrew James
75 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:11:28
Eugene - very pertinent points as ever

Personally I think the Scouse accent is very unique. You can confuse a Blackburn accent for that of Yorkshire if you're from elsewhere in the country. You can confuse Geordie for Boro. Norfolk for Cornwall (I've heard people do it) but the Scousers are identifiable from being from one place only.

I am using the term Scouser (derived from Norwegian stew brought in through the Norwegian sailors in the dock) to avoid saying Liverpudlian. I'm second generation so I want to avoid offending anyone.

BUT - as a Southern born Blue, people cannot wait to get on Scousers with all the shit about stealing and benefits. Another failed ship building cities like Hull doesn't get the negative press Merseyside does.

The way the people of Liverpool were treated as third class citizens, pre-judged to be drunk or hooligans, that is utterly revolting when bodies were in the gym being used as a mortuary...and I hope people are now held accountable. Knowing our system, those pressed will suddenly develop senility etc but they can but try.

Anthony Dwyer
76 Posted 27/04/2016 at 00:32:03
Well said Colin Gee 74.
Peter Laing
77 Posted 27/04/2016 at 03:08:20
It's been alluded to previously on this post but please do not forget or dismiss the the connection between Hillsborough and the Miners Strike at Ogreave. The police, military police included orchestrated a concerted and well executed plan to physically smash and disable the Miners strike using every dirty trick possible. Women were subject to batoning by mounted police horses and miners kettled and attacked by the equivalent of South American death squads (et Al General Pinochet).

South Yorkshire police needed to call in a massive favour in the aftermath of Hillsborough and the machinations of the establishment and the Masonic lodge kicked isn't overdrive to perpetuate and spin a web of lies, corroborated by news international who had pfevioudly orchestrated the downfall of the printworks Union at Fleet Street.

Look no further than Margaret Thatchers then press secretary Bernard Ingham. Liverpool has been besmirched by a generation of lies and falsehoods, today delivers justice for the 96 and countless families destroyed by the lies and deceit peddled by the establishment. RIP.

Tony Wardale
78 Posted 27/04/2016 at 06:50:10
The Police supported by the establishment including Thatcher propogated lies from the outset. Football fans at the time were the pariah of the day. Yorkshire police who had by and large supported the destruction of the pits at the time served as the Governmebts Rottweiler pack. I went along to watch the 1-1 Everton v Sheffield Wed match at Hillsborough the following August 89 after the disaster and experienced the herding up and being called 'scouse scum' 'pitiful bastards' etc by police as they crammed us in the entrance yard to Leppings Lane before the game.
Not only did many of us have relatives, friends at Hillsborough that day in April 89 but for the sake of someone picking a different ball out of the hat it could have been our club, our fans involved. I stand square with Liverpool FC ( and God how I hate them otherwise!) - they've had the truth yesterday but now it's time for justice. Dukinfield and his senior officer should face a court for the lies and deception over the past 27 years together with the rest of those who have conspired to deliberately tarnish those who died and suffered. I know our club and fans will continue to do what we've done and maintain our support for the ongoing campaign.
Chris Williams
79 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:25:22
I see that the Sun and the Times are being heavily criticised for not carrying the news of the verdict on their respective front pages.
Dave Ganley
80 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:35:46
Eugene #55 I agree with your post.....we are always the butt of jokes re do the scousers know its xmastime, jobs thieving etc....however, as scousers we band together and to be honest, most couldn't give a flyIng f**k what others think. Dont know anyone who isn't proud of living in Liverpool and not afraid to shout it. Can you imagine City standing shoulder to shoulder with united in a tragedy or arsenal spurs or west ham and millwall? No me either and thats what makes us special and different from the rest. I couldn't care less what the rest of the country thinks of us.
Eugene Ruane
81 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:16:22
Dave (80) - 'I couldn't care less what the rest of the country thinks of us.'

Well personally speaking, me neither - but only because I'm now old enough and ugly enough for it not to be able to really affect me.

But as I say, the accumulative effect of years of all that 'in your Liverpool slums' and 'they're all robbers' shite, actually will affect many Scousers and they will face discrimination (though for the most part, will probably have no idea it's happening).

I mean if it's down to you and the equally-qualified feller from Swindon for the job, my money would be on him, simply because the interviewer won't have (consciously or sub-consciously) absorbed 30 years of 'Swindon people are all robbing, violent, lazy bastards'

Being the butt of jokes isn't a problem, the problem is being the only butt, specially when the 'jokes' are simply used to offend and stereotype.

By the way, just for balance, I'm no Billy Butler - all that wallowing in scousey-scouseness and 'jeremembersugarbutties?' makes me want to heave and I'm more than aware of the negative side of the city.

Dave Ganley
82 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:45:12
Yeah fair enough Eugene....I guess im old enough and ugly enough for it not to bother me either. I do have to chuckle when the brummies or Stoke or inner city cockneys sing in yer liverpool slums...I mean, have they not seen the shit state of their homesteads?

It is a stereotype we could do without. Things are getting better. The amount of people coming to Liverpool these days and are going home astounded by how vibrant and welcoming our city is, are growing. Its generally all positive from visitors. It will take a while to completely eradicate the grim portrait of the 70s and 80s but we shall get there. At the moment we are still a secret thats starting to spread quickly about how great Liverpool is.

Martin Mason
83 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:06:58
I don't dispute that Scousers have gained this type of unfair stereotyping (when is it ever fair?) but the Hillsborough situation wasn't the establishment versus Scousers, it was the establishment against something that threatened it. For the police it was easy to attack the credibility of Liverpool fans, not necessarily Scousers, because they were under a massive cloud from Heysel where they had been at least partly responsible for many deaths. What the establishment didn't take into account was the tenaciousness of the Liverpudlians in seeing that justice was eventually done despite the efforts of the establishment to corrupt the outcome. This is a massive plus for Liverpudlians and one that is being recognised everywhere in a very powerful and respectful way.

I'm from Liverpudlian parents with strong Liverpool family ties but not a scouser, I live down South now but was brought up in mid Cheshire in an area split with overflow from Manchester and Liverpool. As such I don't have the same sensitivity to criticism that you guys have.

My explanation as a non-scouser is that the stereotyping started in the 60's and 70's over Union militancy in the docks and car industry and eventually in its local government which almost caused the destruction of the city and its industrial base. It was about everybody working for the Corpie, the increased unemployment and crime rates and how exiled scousers became stereotypes in places like Skem and Winsford. Most of all the jokes were about the victimhood complex that scousers were seen to display over any issue and their seen to be irrational sensitivity. I know that these weren't true but it's all about perception.

I do believe that it's all changing now and this Hillsborough result will accelerate this massively as will the fantastic regeneration of the City since the time of the Garden festival. Liverpool should be praised to the rafters for how it's recovered from its bad times, there have been few examples of this outside of London. Liverpool is a great City with great people. Shame about the accent but you can't have everything :-)

My wife is Malaysian and she loves the times that we go to Liverpool from being asked can she spare 10p for a cup of tea to her laughing like a drain because she hadn't understood one word of some directions she'd been given but all so well natured. I may try to take her up to the match Saturday, she's never been but I know she'd love to go.

Tony Draper
84 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:28:44
Dave G @82
Your remark about brummies & stokies & cocknies really is bang on.

Cocknies = "knees ap mavver brahn", jellied eels, a fetish for sewing buttons, racism
Stokies = "Clayheads" (their own term, being thick is seen as an enduring quality)....... erm that's it really
Brum = fuckall......... Englands second city and .......... Fuckall else. Belgiums most boring city would still be more interesting, hence there are no songs mocking brum, because in order to mock there would need to be something remarkable/interesting/unique. There isn't.

Then of course the underlying reason. Everton fans support the club, team & players, hence, our songs are about our club, team & players.

Tony Draper
85 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:40:09
Martin @83
Stop dawdling, man!

Take her to the bloody match, or are you using psychology? Deprivation creates desire?

Steve Brown
87 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:01:12
Martin 45, it had everything to do with the City of Liverpool. As ever Eugene replied with a more thoughtful response than I can muster. But every joke or jibe you hear about Scousers being thieves, work-shy, militant, uninsurable, poor, dole cheats, living in slums etc, is a manifestation of the stereotyping of people from this city that had been rife in the UK from the 70s onwards. If you can name a single city that is labelled in the same way then I stand corrected.

This stereotyping had a direct effect on the ease with which the police, government, press and coroner blamed the tragedy on a 'tanked up mob'. It encouraged the Sun to claim that Liverpool fans urinated on the police and stole from the dead. It explains the ease and speed with which the institutional cover up was implemented and why it has taken 27 years for the truth to come out.

I am glad that you wife enjoys coming to Liverpool by the way. She would hopefully have done so if she had visited in the eighties as well.

Mike Hughes
88 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:14:21
On the subject of 'victim' mentality, self-pity, not-my-fault squirming etc this 'beaut' takes some beating ......


Loathsome, odious scumbag.

And I hope they prosecute all of those in the police force involved as well.

(Somehow I think they'll squirm out of it unfortunately).

Peter Mills
89 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:44:17
Andy Burnham. If you read this site, congratulations on your magnificent speech in the House of Commons today.
Jack Convery
90 Posted 27/04/2016 at 22:14:11
A truly historic verdict and at last the correct verdict.

A big blue hug to all the families and everyone concerned in bringing this piece of history about. You are a real credit to yourselves and this wonderful city of ours.

I would like EFC to give the fans a chance to give a minutes applause before the game on Saturday, so we can all show our appreciation, to what has been a wonderful week.

Credit to Andy Burnham today too - wonderful speech in Parliamant.

As for our Prime Minister who said in 2011= the families were like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that wasn't there - his words yesterday were as hollow as always.

Mike Keating
91 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:05:45
It wasn't simply lazy and vicious journos at the Sun who invented those stories under a headline claiming it was the Truth.

1. They were fed those stories by the South Yorkshire police.
2. Several other newspapers repeated them.

Great coverage on Radio 5 this evening well worth a replay on iplayer if you missed it.


Just to show the media can get it right – sometimes.

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