Reports: Everton hierarchy to convene over Martinez's future

by | 25/04/2016  334 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton's board of directors will meet this week to discuss the future of Roberto Martinez as manager of the club according to reports.

Martinez is under intense pressure from supporters following another disappointing league campaign and defeat in both semi-finals of the domestic cup competitions and there has been talk of protests by fans at this coming weekend's home clash with Bournemouth.

The Guardian's Andy Hunter, Paul Joyce in The Express and David Maddock in The Mirror all claim that Chairman Bill Kenwright and the rest of the directors, including Farhad Moshiri's representative, Sasha Ryazantsev, and possibly the club's majority shareholder himself will hold talks before the visit of the Cherries.  

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Ian Glassey
1 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:52:27
Hopefully this is it, the story also reported in the Express.
Bye bye Roberto..
Brent Stephens
2 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:54:09
It's in the Grauniad so it must be true.
Michael Penley
3 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:05:32
So a 2 year extension then?
Andrew James
4 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:05:43
He will go. When you lose the dressing room, regardless whether you are a visionary genius or not, its over.

Conversely, if you have great team spirit and belief you can overcome many a tactical flaw. That's not us at present.

I am sorry it has not worked for RM. He has had moments when our forward play has been exciting. But the defence (or lack of) and the many problems off the field with Baines and Stones etc means its "adeu mon amic" as the Catalans say.

Joseph Terrence
5 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:09:30
Joe O'Brien
6 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:14:22
I just hope and hope this will happen this week. Unsy to take over for the remaining games and all players are told the future plans ie a top class manager coming in with the sole skills to turn this team with brilliant potential into genuine contenders for the top 4 and beyond.
Players to be told that there is finances there to be spent. It needs to happen this week so the players can get excited about next season and their Everton futures, and not just to slowly meander towards the end of a awful miss managed season.
Phil Walling
7 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:14:54
The inevitable vote of confidence will ensue, no doubt !
Rick Pattinson
8 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:16:56
This needs to happen... We need to get the best out of players like Mirallas and deulofeu. These are players when playing at best change games. Besic hasnt been the player we though he could be. And wtf is up with Niasse.
You can see the dressing rooms beat. Would anyone oppose Moyesy returning???
Joe O'Brien
9 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:18:41
That 'sole 'word was a typo btw. There's alot more to managing that that
Dennis Ng
10 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:18:56
Given how slow we always are for these sort of things, I guess its the best news possible
Joe O'Brien
11 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:21:20
Yes I am Rick...never want him back again..Koeman is my choice all day long
Dermot O'Brien
12 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:21:21
Yes Rick. And you will remember not to mention his name again!
Paul Smith
13 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:22:50
Rick I will be less then impressed if the best we can do is go back to Moyes – it has to be no.

After the shenanigans with The 'Fro and Leighton, all the clandestine meetings and subterfuge... be gutted myself like.

Gordon Crawford
14 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:23:49
I will be shocked if Bill sacks him. I just don't see it happening. I expect a vote of confidence from the board. :(
Antony Matthews
16 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:26:52
I hope they interviewed Robles first. Then Jags and finally Mirallas. Might just give them an idea what to do.
Andrew James
17 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:29:17
Rick @ 9

Re DM coming back.....I think he's done his time with us. If it did nt happen in 10 years, its unlikely to happen even if given loads of money. With DM we were solid but rather dull at times. Not very School of Science.

I think we need someone to inspire and take us upwards and onwards. We have to believe / dream of being great again but who this person is I am not sure.

Andrew James
18 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:31:31
I am reading the word "Moyes" a lot on most threads.

With our improved budget, the fact he knows half the squad and basically designed Finch Farm, we could do worse.

Many pundits and Utd fans are starting to revise their opinions of Moyes but his failure in Spain makes me wonder?

Never go back? Moyes would seriously have to hit the ground running and we'd have to start beating the sides we never could under him.

I still can't see who the obvious replacement would be. Lyndon came out with nearly a dozen options.

Dennis Stevens
19 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:37:02
I'm not sure who the ideal appointment would be, but it sure ain't Moyes!
Les Martin
20 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:39:07
I tell you all, fan power will prevail, fans have the power and are the club. If fans vent their feelings with banners/chants of discontent the board will listen, and this charlatan will be gone.

If for some reason the board do give him a vote of confidence, this will incense the fans more, and things could get ugly.

I suspect that Roberto Martinez is a very decent human being, but he is not worthy of being an Everton manager and he has been found out.

Interesting times...
Jackie Barry
21 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:39:49
Moyes, aaaarrrrrghhhh!
James Stewart
22 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:41:34
About time. Fan pressure does count. Kenwright has little say anymore so the decision won't be his. Fingers firmly crossed.
Don Alexander
23 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:48:16
There's talk by some of "long-term" etc etc, but players and their odious agents are all about "now". Therefore the board cannot really afford to delay in deciding what to do about the Catalan Clown. If he's replaced now the players/agents have to make a BIG decision. If he stays their decision is easy; "Let's fuck off to a club with a clue!"
John Aldridge
24 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:49:08
Sadly protests are the only way we are going to rid the club of this clown. They don't listen to us moaning on forums and social media - direct action is the only way. Bad press will always force their hand.
Armando Canaj
25 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:52:34
If true, I'm sorry it hasn't worked out. Could see a lot of positives, just too hung-ho when he should be holding a lead...Hopefully for his sake he'll learn and come back stronger.

Please NOT Moyes.

Hidink on a 3 year deal, Manchini, Pelagrini.

Gawd... not Moyes!!!

Frank Boyle
26 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:02:23
Get those white handkerchiefs out, boys...
Mike Keating
27 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:04:04
In ELEVEN seasons Moyes managed 1 cup final and 1 semi plus a top 4. In THREE seasons RM got us into the EuroDisney League and 2 semi finals. If RM has to go (and he does), why would you want another decade of Moyes?

As much as I hate to admit it, Korporal Klopp has shown how crucial the managerial role is by transforming a pile of dross into a team, so we need something a bit more inspirational than the return of Moyes or the appointment of Eddie Howe (Moyes Mk2).

Martinez has assembled a promising bunch of talented players; we need a brave move for a man who can get them to stay at the club and learn to play as a team.

As we discovered with our beloved Howard, going back is rarely the answer; in the case of Moyes it would be an utter disaster.
John Aldridge
28 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:10:27
I can't see Moyes coming back even if he was asked - reckon he's got his heart set on the Celtic job.

My No1 choice would still be Mourinho, failing that AvB.

Sandra Williams
29 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:10:29
My God, can we just forget about Moyes and leave him in our past where he belongs?! He moved to a 'bigger' club, with deeper pockets, disrespected us, couldn't hack it and lasted 10 months. He went to Real Sociedad, couldn't hack it and lasted 364 days. I don't want him back, not even in the SKY commentary box.
I want to see the back of 'nice-guy' Martinez and get someone in who has a clue and has a Plan A, B and C in his repertoire.
Ray Robinson
30 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:10:47
I wonder if poor season ticket renewal rates have had something to do we this? Please sort it out as I would like to renew mine at the discounted rate but am hanging on until there's a change in manager.
Mike Hughes
31 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:12:15
They may not pay as much attention to social media as protests. But most organisations of any substance will have a social media policy. Mostly it will be to broadcast / control the news and perception etc.

However, I would be surprised if a blind eye policy was adopted by the club towards sites like TW. Not to the level of individual posts obviously (who does Dave on the live forum want as DM for the Leicester match? Tell McCarthy to put his kecks back on).

But I'd be amazed if someone was not monitoring broad opinion. I'm assuming of course that EFC have moved into the 21st century - which is not a given.

If they are not aware of the polls on TW, then they are not listening to their customers.
Remember BHS?

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:13:31
Mike Moyes had two semis one V Chelsea in Coca Cola and one v Liverpool in FA cup aside from the one v Man U that led to the one final appearance. Moyes also had better PL form. However I think he's a limited manager kinda like Hughes. Good for taking a 15th place team into 6 or 7th but not tactically adept to win things.
Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:15:02
Btw there is no source for this story. Where is it from?
Ray Robinson
34 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:16:22
Not sure about your stats there Mike #28. I can think of three semis off the top of my head that Moyes got us to - plus you conveniently forget all those other years under Moyes when we qualified for Europe.

But, no, I'm not arguing for a Moyes return - far from it.

Scott Goin
35 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:17:16
I've been a supporter of Martinez in the fairly recent past due to his great first year and his ability to draw in and develop younger players. However, I have not liked the direction things have gone in the past 2 months or so. Martinez seems to be fraying around the edges. The blame game is something we didn't see much from him early in his Everton tenure. Telling Baines to apologize for some honest comments was particularly grating to me. I can understand Martinez's need to put on a united, positive front but when you do things like that, it seems like a false front.

Martinez's big flaw coming into the job was his defense. I hoped that he could find a way to utilize his attacking systems while fortifying the back but the defense is probably worse now than it's ever been. I don't think he's capable of creating that delicate balance.

Bottom line, there's really no choice at this point, he has to leave. Martinez had to realize when Moshiri arrived that he needed to win and show improvement and instead, things actually got much worse. I still like Roberto and wish him well but he can't come back from this debacle.

James Watts
36 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:18:06
Guys, if you think they'll sack The Hapless One you're all going to be in for a shock. The telling line in that script is "including Farhad Moshiri's representative, Sasha Ryazantsev", which means Farhad won't be there and he would be if there was any intention of sacking him .... get the demostrations warmed up for the weekend!!
John Louis Jones
37 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:20:22
It is happening, I don't think it will be Moyes, however much Aretha I have for him. ( He is a top guy)

A point that needs raising though, Barkley.
Fuck, For the Young lads on the Site listen to CCR.

He is getting right royally fucked by Martinez, This **** is thinking that he is going to turn him into the next. WTF ??? There is no next just New.

Barkley is a BEAST but being TOLD by this prick how to play. NOT go and play. .....

This is just 1 reason why he should be sacked.

Steve Barr
38 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:22:24
Seriously, how can anyone criticise the board for a lack of ambition and vision, which is of course absolutely true, and in the same breath talk about bringing back David Moyes!

He had more than enough time at the helm and failed.

Grow a pair and demand the best, no compromise.

John Aldridge
39 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:30:24
Mick Davies
40 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:38:39
If anyone's hopes for the future are resting on the serial loser Moyes, who treated our club with contempt, then you might as well stick with Martinez; what happened to our long forgotten motto?
John Aldridge
41 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:42:07
I don't want Moyes back. Temporarily until the end of the season - then he can head up to Celtic - I wouldn't have a problem (perhaps he can shore up that leaky defence before he goes). It would give us the chance to sort out a big name manager (perhaps someone who isn't available at the moment). But permanently? No, no thanks.

(If he could get us back to winning ways before the season is out, it's also a chance to put two fingers up to Martinez after his recent sly dig).

Brian Porter
42 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:57:57
Why is he still here? Do our board have no shame or sense of responsibility to the club, its fans, its players? OK, don't bother to answer, we all know it already.

Seriously, I could cry when I see the appalling train wreck of what was once a great club. BK and the board can see what's happening right before their eyes but continue to turn a blind eye to reality.

The reality is, we are already worse than Villa. Why do I sat that?

Well, in the season before this, Aston Villa were not exactly perceived as a particularly bad team despite their boardroom difficulties. They reached the F.A. Cup Final, and their fans came within a hair's breadth of seeing their team win silverware. Then they sold their two best players and failed to find adequate replacements. They stuck with their lane duck manager until it was clear they were heading for the drop this season and appointed Remi Garde when it was already too late, the rot had set in and we've all seen the result. Oh yes, and they had no direct situation with which to compare their plight. What's different about Everton?

We have had an awful season, with the worst home record in our history. We have NOT reached the cup final. Please note Roberto, semi finals don't go down in history as success! Our boardroom has not been a place of internal strife all season. We DO have a lame such manager however, who insists two consecutive bottom half finishes is progress!

See the difference?

Our board is supposedly in harmony , not fractured, we have failed in every competition this year, at least Villa made their final, and though Lambert did acknowledge the immense task that lay ahead of him at the end of last season, our dick of a manager insists everything is hunky dory, we're making progress and we should be grateful to have such a phenomenal, incredible manager at our club.

So, basically, Villa didn't see what was coming, whereas we have their experience with which to compare our own. How many points have we picked up since January? Already relegation form has set in. Any knowledgeable board would look at our current situation and see precisely where we are headed under Martinez's leadership. Unlike Villa, they have the opportunity to do something NOW to rectify the situation. Next season will be too late. Once we are in that relegation zone, as Villa have shown, even a new, experienced manager may not be able to save us.

If they don't do the right thing and get rid of Martinez at the earliest possible juncture, Aston Villa will be waiting for us in the championship.

I for one will not be watching another game as ling as Martinez is manager. I suffer from chronic heart failure and unstable angina and I can't take the stress of seeing my club implode even further. After 57 years supporting the greatest club in the world, Roberto Martinez has turned my great passion for Everton into a bloody health hazard for me! Great legacy Roberto, and the same message goes to BK too. Mr. Kenwright, if you really are a true blue as you profess to be, you MUST put Everton F.C. ahead of your friendship with Martinez and pull the trigger on his managerial reign, RIGHT NOW.

Mike Price
43 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:01:46
Can we get someone that doesn't bring joy to the redshite, that would be a start. Martinez and Moyes are equally as bad, just in different ways.

We need top class but not some fossil like Pellegrini or Hiddink. Koeman, Tuchel, Simeone, Mourinho, someone of that ilk to change the mediocre, losing, hard luck ethos that clings to this club like a limpet.

Barry Jones
44 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:04:30
I cannot see a change before the weekend, but I would like to. I don't believe in dwelling in the past, so "no thanks' to Moyes.
Eric Holland
45 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:55:20
"NOT MOYES" Been there done that no thank you.............
Are people really suggesting we take Moyes back??

Jesuz wept...............

David Barks
46 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:57:58
Who is Jesuz and why are they weeping?
David Israel
50 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:13:46
John Aldridge #29, how about your old mate Barnes?
David Israel
52 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:22:01
Kieran #34, The absence of a source got me thinking, too. This is reported in at least three papers, so I would have thought someone in the know has leaked it to the press. And why would anyone do that unless special news is in the offing? I mean, if the proverbial vote of confidence was the likeliest outcome, I don't think news of this meeting would be leaked.
John Wilson
53 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:36:36
Get Diego Simeone-now we can afford the best!
Eugene Ruane
54 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:41:45
Tennis balls protest?

Imagines next Saturday's Echo..

" the Bournemouth players celebrated the goal, one or two tennis balls were thrown on to the pitch, then more and more came, each one with 'Martinez out' written on. It was at this point that Martinez was felled by what appeared to be a cricket ball attached to a large firework-type rocket that seemed to be fired into the home technical area from The Lower Bullens Road stand. And it was only seconds after this incident that Bill Kenwright was knocked cold by a medicine ball dropped from the top balcony. The words 'cop for that you fat-headed Tom Pepper' could be clearly seen written on the ball. Detective inspector Ron Savage said 'We weren't able to make arrests but have narrowed the suspects down to 38,000 potential..."

Etc blah.

Dave Long
55 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:43:24
Moyes couldn't wait to get out the door, so no way. Didn't the staff at Goodison have a big party once he'd gone? Please some good news for this miserable footy and music disaster week, put Bertie out of his misery. Imagine the size of the swear box if he shows at gp on Saturday.....
Dennis Ng
56 Posted 26/04/2016 at 03:18:20
Well, only way to stop the rain of tennis balls is to fire RM before the game, or an announcement along those lines (assuming the sticking point to be the rumored $2m severance if fired before 6/1) . I wonder how long the game delay will be.

If Leicester beats United, they will be presenting the trophy at their home game against us. Hopefully by that game, we would all have something to celebrate too.

Matt Traynor
57 Posted 26/04/2016 at 03:31:54
Rick Pattinson #9
"Would anyone oppose Moyesy returning???"

You're either a WUM or very new to these pages. Whilst there are a number of users of TW who have only ever known mediocrity who wouldn't be averse to his return, there's plenty more who would.

Ernie Baywood
58 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:27:16
I certainly won't be celebrating Roberto's eventual sacking. It will feel like a wasted opportunity to me.

What's the relevance of tennis balls? I'm sure I saw another club do it, but it feels like a bit of a weird continental thing. Mind you, I haven't offered any ideas up myself.

I also don't think 21 is particularly appropriate. I can accept not winning trophies, but just can't accept people bullshitting me and telling me to appreciate being served a shit sandwich. 18 and 78 surely has more resonance?

Alan J Thompson
59 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:53:23
Dennis(#56); How long to clear the tennis balls? About 15, love.
Jay Harris
60 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:55:10
Martinez now 1/7 with sky bet to not start next season as EFC manager.

Something must be happening please.

Ian Jones
62 Posted 26/04/2016 at 05:30:48
Brian at 42. Sorry to pick you up on something. Unless I am misreading your post. Lambert had already been sacked by the time Sherwood took Villa to the final. But your general point about us turning into Villa is true enough.
Phil Walling
63 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:24:30
Awoke this morning to the thought that the only man Kenwright would sacrifice Roberto for is MOYES !

Not at all what we'd hoped for but could be a lot worse.

Story guys !

Phil Walling
64 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:27:14
Meant to say sorry guys!
Brian Porter
65 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:30:27
We are only four games from the end of the season and mathematically, we still need three points to be safe from relegation. Surely that says everything about Martinez's much heralded 'progress'. Time for the deluded one to be escorted to a nice, comfortable padded cell.
Antony Matthews
66 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:46:44
If Moyes comes back that's it! I couldn't stomach the thought of Ossie being the first name on the team sheet again aaaarrggh.
Brian Wilkinson
67 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:52:44
Bring back the cushions in the main stand, a site to behold a shite performance.
Darryl Ritchie
68 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:54:17
Martinez: Very ambitious; wants to play attractive, possession oriented Barca type football. Wants to drive us up the table, but doesn't have the foggiest of how to go about it. His time is up!

Moyes: Solid, defensive oriented, mid table manager. I got the feeling he was bored before he left for greener pastures. Kind of burnt his fences along the way. Seventhish wasn't good enough then, and it's not good enough now. Been there, done that.

I've have to admit, I'm not very well versed with all the managers that might be available, but I know the Moyes and Martinez fairly well. There has to be a more suitable candidate than these two, somewhere.

Phil Walling
69 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:56:12
Didn't say I wanted Moyes back, just the best we can expect IF Kenwright is calling the shots !
Dave Ganley
70 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:56:18
Before we go any further, I wouldnt want Moyes back. It would be a backwards step in my opinion. However, it still amazes me how people like to rewrite history regarding Moyes and his football.

Moyes stayed probably 3 years too long but his tenure was definitely a success. Does everyone forget how bad we were when he arrived? We were shocking. Regularly fighting relegation and buying players like Gemmill, Alexanderson, an over the hill Ginola and Gazza etc...pretty bloody awful. He started from rock bottom. Roy Keane once mentioned that Goodison was just a place to go and get 3 points!

Well Moyes changed all that. He made Goodison a fortress and a horrible place for teams to come. Yeah we had some work horse sides at the beginning, but they were teams that would run through brick walls for each other. Then he was able to add quality and that squad of around 2008/9 played some excellent football. Better than anything Martinez has produced because the football flowed all game not just in 2 minute spurts like Martinezs so called breathtaking product. Give me Arteta,Pienaar, Baines , Cahill and the rest anytime over the pampered underperforming shite we have now.

Moyes was a success in what he did because he fullfilled what he was employed to do. Stabilise Everton and make them respectable again. In fact he probably over achieved in some respects. When he came, all we craved was mid table mediocrity. When he left we all demanded top 4 and trophies. Not a bad leap in expectation. Instead of getting someone who could take us forward and make the next step to top 4 and trophies, we got this idiot who came out with ridiculous phrases like "I don't care about clean sheets" and "I would rather win a game 5 4 than 1 0" fucking clown. No self respecting manager who wins things would ever utter such rubbish. As for being entertaining,well the slow erosion of the atmosphere at Goodison should tell you everything you need to know about how entertaining this Everton team is. Best football seen for a generation? Do me a favour. Moyes teams of 2009 pisses all over this team.

As I said earlier, I have no desire to see Moyes back,but lets not forget what he did for our club and stop rewriting history about how shit our football supposedly was. Goodison was never quiet when he was manager!!

Paul Williams
71 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:02:08
You don't hold a board meeting in these circumstances to then come out and say, "having thought about it, he's not doing a bad job". So expect it done nicely, the Everton way, proper due diligence and he's on his way later this week.

Best group of players in 30 years and the talent is being wasted. Interesting to see Moyes commenting on the derby game the other night. Kept referring to Everton as "we".

If it was left to Ken he could be on his way back. I can't see it happening with the new board we need to aim higher.

Mark Williams
72 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:07:20
I just hope Kenwright has zero influence in all this. Otherwise we'll end up keeping RM or bringing in DM. Neither are the right choice for me.
David Blakeley
74 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:43:28
Like many here, I don't want Moyes back. Yes, he did stabilise the club but it was never quite enough and he wasn't quite enough at Manchester United or Real Sociedad either.

I also believe that, if the board do not sack Martinez before Saturday, then we can only interpret this as a misreading of the fans feelings against Martinez.

Prevent a demonstration, grow a pair, and get rid of Martinez before Saturday.

Brian Murray
75 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:46:53
Re Dave Ganley comment. So because Moyes sorted a mess that Kenwright created with yet another mediocre choice, we should shrug and say, "What a guy!"?

Get real – he done what six more would of done, he's a loser and a limited one at that. I'm thankful to the Catt and Howie – not some divis from Preston.

Jim Bennings
76 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:49:10
I'm very tentative about this now to be honest as these David Moyes rumours seem to be gathering more pace.

I truly hope we don't settle for just doing things safely, it's time we started breaking the habit at Everton and acted big, there's so many options out there but it will smack of laziness if we just go back to what we once knew, we did it with Kendall and it backfired fantastically.

I'm not forgetting that Moyes stabilised the club and made us a solid outfit but the players are totally different now, there's no Cahill, no Arteta, No Fellaini, no Pienaar, Jagielka, Baines, Osman and Hibbert all coming the end soon.

It would be a very different landscape for David Moyes this time around.

Ray Roche
77 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:14:54
James Watts #36

I may be wrong here but for all those complaining that Moshiri won't be at any proposed meeting this coming week, as a resident of Monaco, isn't he limited to the number of days that he is allowed to spend in this country? Wouldn't it be better for him (and us) if he saved his allocated days on something else involving the club and his business interests? What's the point in having staff if you don't trust them? Surely the ability to delegate responsibility to trusted colleagues should be a given in his world.

Phil Walling
78 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:16:21
Paul at 71, if this rumoured meeting is held this week, we shall learn who calls the shots. Stay with Roberto or appoint Moyes then BK' s will still holds sway and Moshiri is just an investor.

Martinez out and a businesslike search set in place and theres hope for our club.

IF there really is à meeting !

Martin Nicholls
79 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:20:48
Dave Ganley -70. Brilliant post, particularly your observations about 2008/9 squad/team. Jim - 70 - thought you'd washed your hands of EFC? Seriously, good to see you "back on board" again!
Gary Mortimer
80 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:21:50
Martinez should be shown the door now - his post match interview after the semi confirm that he has not got a clue and I'm fed up of the embarrassing nonsense that he utters. The media have finally picked up on his delusions - a long time after us fans.

As to his replacement? David Moyes was busy planning the next campaign at Carrington while still "managing" Everton. He showed his lack of morals and lack of respect for the club then and I for one would not welcome him back.

We should not even be considering him - he had money at Man U and blew it. he inherited the title winning team and blew it. He isn't a winner. His teams were hard working and honest, but not winners.

We need a proper name if we want to keep any of our "star" players. The likes of Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche and David Moyes might be touted by the media, but would they be able to convince Stones, Barkley, Lukaku etc.. to stay? I'm not convinced they would.

That lot over the park got Klopp . . . we need to match them. We have the money now, but have we the ambition to go for Mourinho, Simione or De Boor?

It looks like Man U are dragging their heels over Mourinho - how about a cheeky bid? Wake the sleeping giant, Jose?

Trevor Peers
81 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:22:07
This will be the real defining moment of the season ! If it happens, it has given us a ray of hope anyway.

Apparently Moshiri wants a manager from Europe according to the Express, so that would rule Moyes out. It would also be a positive sign he had taken control of the club in the way we anticipated.

If Moyes were to return it's obvious BK is still the man pulling the strings, and although I'd take Moyes stability over Martinez choas all day long, it would however be a backwards step and not what we all really want or need.

Brian Williams
82 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:22:23
Ignoring the utter shite that is the Moyes consideration I have to say that, although it's already been done, the tennis ball protest is PERFECT.
It was really effective when Dortmund did it.
It stops the game SAFELY and cannot be missed, hammers home the point, especially if each one DID have Martinez out written on it.

Imagine even as few as a thousand on the pitch.

Then imagine five, ten thousand!!!

Iain Thomson
83 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:24:06
Enough of the Moyes thing ..... he took salary while sitting chosing his mun u backroom team.. he then unsettled 2 of our best players and talked our team down in an effort to appeal to man u fans. ... that is a deal breaker regardless of what people think of the pros and cons of his management ability. Fuck him
Trevor Peers
84 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:27:15
Agree Brian it would be a great way to show our utter disprovable of Martinez ! Bring it on if he's not sacked by Saturday.
John Keating
85 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:29:48
Excellent post.
I wanted Moyes out and don't want him back but you are correct about rewriting history.
It's a bit like this apparent fast free flowing attractive football we have been playing under Martinez.
I think history will not have to be rewritten about it.
It's utter rubbish !
Brent Stephens
86 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:30:18
I wake up after a fine sleep to see talk of Moyes persists! God help us.

Trevor #81 "Apparently Moshiri wants a manager from Europe according to the Express, so that would rule Moyes out." The thing is, Moyes (as the rest of us) is in Europe, so we could still end up with him!

Andrew Clare
87 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:32:46
Time to go into hibernation if Moyes is appointed. I can't believe I keep hearing his name being linked with us.
He is not a winner! In the modern era we have had two great managers, Harry Catterick and Howard Kendal, three goodish managers in Billy Bingham, Gordon Lee and Joe Royle, then the rest who were a dead loss. Moyes was OK for 3 or 4 years but then it became apparent that he just didn't have the mentality of a winner. Really though he just looked good because of the awful managers we had before him like Mike Walker and Walter Smith. My heart sank when we appointed them. It's as though whoever has run our club in recent years hasn't had a clue about football.
If they don't make the right decision we will end up like Villa.
Brent Stephens
88 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:33:53
Phil #78 "Martinez out and a businesslike search set in place and there's hope for our club."

I'm genuinely curious as to who would advise Moshiri on a managerial appointment (assuming it's not Bill or any of his henchmen).

Jack Mason
89 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:36:33
You're right Phil, we'll learn soon enough what is going on. If Kenwright still calls the shots expect Martinez here for next season. Of course Moshiri would be a fool to allow a minority shareholder to waste his money. But who knows?

One more thing, this managers are risks malarkey. Bullshit. Taking a step outside your front door is a risk. Nothing worthwhile in life is achieved through caution. Life is a risk and so it it should fucking be. The way this club is ran, is like Lancaster Gate. Incompetents who know nothing about football, never have done, never will, that's why they never had the balls to hire Brian Clough.

With any luck we'll take a giant leap into the 21st century and leave this Gentleman's club, we're nice, it's the participating that counts, think about the kids, youth policy nonsense behind. Anyone decent, like Wayne Rooney will leave 'cause we've had zero ambition for over two decades. Feck off. Leave that PC crap behind and resign it to the dustbin of history.

Or we could just go another generation of winning fuck all. Don't see our former peers or neighbours following that game plan.

Mike Hughes
90 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:37:15
Dave Ganley #70

I completely agree with every part of that post and have made similar points elsewhere on here.
People need to consider the state of affairs when anyone new comes in.

Unfortunately, if this snake oil salesman remains much longer, any new manager will be looking at a stabilising / rebuilding job again. Every day with RM in post is treading water at best. In the words of Alan Sugar - "Roberto, ..."

Anto Byrne
91 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:38:40
Moyes or Martinez, that is the question. I would leave Roberto in place and hope he can learn from the experience. He needs a rethink and we have seen the Blues play some exciting football.

We can say we were unlucky in both semis to a point... perhaps he can learn. It's down to the board and it's their money and as supporters we have a choice either go or stay at home. Let's just bury Bournemouth on Saturday, tear one off Leicester City and put Sunderland to the sword and go out in a blaze of glory to Norwich.

Martin Nicholls
92 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:43:55
Brent - I too am curious asto to how things like this are done. Southampton clearly have done it right with two consecutive managers so there must be ways and means.
Gordon Crawford
93 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:50:19
I just don't see us appointing a big name manager. I would love to be proven wrong.
Colin Glassar
94 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:50:59
Is this an extraordinary meeting or just a,"can we increase the price of pies on match days" meeting?
Phil Walling
95 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:55:38
Brent @88; I wouldn't be surprised if Farhad's first call for advice wasn't to his old mate David Dein from whom he and Usmanov purchased their Arsenal shares.

Dein is still regarded as 'a mover and shaker' in football circles and travels the world in that cause.

Just a thought.

Brent Stephens
96 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:59:32
Phil #95 - interesting thought.

I wonder if Matt Traynor has any thoughts on this?

Phil Walling
97 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:00:16
From what I've heard over the years, Colin, a formal Board Meeting of ANY kind is a rarity at Everton. They are just not Bill's style. A quick chat with Woodsey at matches or on the blower has been deemed to surfice, it seems !
James Byrne
98 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:07:31
While BK still has a role at Everton I fear very little will change regarding Martinez; you just can't trust the man. His "what a manager" statement will go down in history!

We as fans have some blame in all this mess. We don't complain enough - I mean we do enough debating on forums such as this one but in all the time I've been going to Goodison Park I've very rarely seen the fans protest properly. We just accept this shit!

It's about fucking time the hardcore fans gave Kenright and the board something to think about. I saw a recent suggestion by a TW'r saying the fans should walk out on 78 minutes at home games! I think those actions will touch a nerve as opposed to forums like this one or relying on the spineless media to do this for us.

It worked for Liverpool not long ago so it can work for us.

Eric Myles
99 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:19:06
They could drop the tennis balls from a 'plane carrying a Martinez Out and take Kenwright with you banner
Jack Mason
100 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:21:23
James @ 98.

Getting Evertonians to do anything in unison is like herding cats.

Even the cushion throwing, was just a one off the cuff reaction. I guess that's what make us different and at the same time open to putting up with abysmal leadership.

Ron Sear
101 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:26:47
Please, please get him out by Friday, with the right decision we can go ahead and renew our season tickets at the reduced rate. Problem is the telephone lines will be jammed with other fans doing the same.
Keith Harrison
102 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:31:12
The problem is, as much as we want Roberto to hail a taxi, or be forced into one at gunpoint, there has been very little unrest at the actual games.
The ToffeeWeb poll only had 2500 votes, and it was anonymous. There are approx. 30,000 plus season ticket holders, which means this site had a voting percentage of less than 8% as an absolute maximum of game go-ers. Add to that the majority of people on here appear not to go to the games - for whatever reason - and this site is not very representative of the game going Evertonians.
These are the people who BK, Mr Moshiri and others would be concerned about, if protests became large scale and consistent in their aims. A straw poll on ToffeeWeb probably not have even been brought to their attention, and I can't see them willingly logging on and checking it out!
The 'tennis ball' protest seems a reasonable idea, as does a timed walk-out. These things need organised though, and unless people are working in the back-ground co-ordinating these efforts, they will end up as both insignificant, and counter-productive.
My preferred choice would be to walk away from the stands at a certain allotted time, wait 10 or 15 minutes on the concourse, keeping silent, then walk back into the arena and re-take the seats. I really think this would send a powerful message to the new 'owner', and would be more in line with 'The Everton Way'. We have more class than to hoist vitriolic banners, threaten people etc.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Craig Walker
103 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:31:25
If Moyes comes back then that's me done with Everton FC. The man should get the respect of every Evertonian for what he achieved with limited resources but I can still here the RS fans singing "10 more years" to us after another derby capitulation. He left because the grass was greener and his derisory bids for Baines and Fellaini belittled our club.

We need to start acting like a big club, if we still proclaim to be one.

Brent Stephens
104 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:36:59
Phil #95 - reflecting further on the suggestion that Moshiri might seek advice from Arsenal's David Dein on a managerial appointment, would Dein not be tempted to send Moshiri off in the wrong direction. Maybe by pointing him to a certain Mave Doyes, a ginger female manager with not much of a sense of humour but a good defensive organiser. Enter Mave Doyes at Finch Farm dressed in tweed skirt, pearls and heavy brogues (in all senses).
John Jennings
105 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:38:51
Guys - James (98) is spot on. BK influence is still huge, regardless of who has how many shares and all that stuff. Roberto Martinez may be a poor coach, but he is clinging on and doing what we would probably all do to keep such a fantastic job. We need to up the ante re protesting. White hankies, tennis balls, banners, walk out on 78 mins and gather on Goodison Road to continue the protest. Also, keep up the pressure on social media, email the club etc. Enough is Enough. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Phil Walling
106 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:51:37
An excellent point, Keith @102 and it is true that the powers that be will only be concerned with the size and crowds at matches.

Only last evening, the guy who took over my season tickets rang to make the same observation. 'You are making a lot of noise for someone who's seen only one game at Goodison this season', he told me. 'Two good wins will change the humour of the crowd entirely.'

Whilst I would like to think that those of us who follow the Club from afar (2000 miles in my case ) are just as much Evertonians as the regular match-goers, it is the behaviour and reactions of the latter that influences the power brokers - particularly those as entrenched as BK.

As long as a season ticket membership of some 26,000 and a 'five figure' walk-up ' is maintained, what could possibly be wrong ???

John Jennings
107 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:52:02
Keith (102) interesting point about TW bloggers and whether we are representative of hard core match going season ticket holders. I am not sure of the answer, but I suspect TW is a very good barometer of the rank & file feeling. I have a bunch of mates, all living on Merseyside, all 50+ something, all season ticket holders, some shareholders, all knowledgeable fans. None of them really 'do' TW or social media.

Every one of them is united in their condemnation of Roberto Martinez, without exception.

Ste Byn
108 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:55:14
I don't do social media and admit I would not know were to start for organising things, but I would like Goodison Park to stand up and clap on 18th minute, throw tennis balls at half time with 'I am one, I want Martinez gone' written on them, then a mass walk-out on the 78th minute. Triple whammy... that should get people's attention.
Phil Walling
109 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:33
You got me there, Brent. I wikied Mave Doyes in order to make an informed response and guess whose face popped up ?
James Byrne
110 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:47
Keith #102.

This is a great idea:

My preferred choice would be to walk away from the stands at a certain allotted time, wait 10 or 15 minutes on the concourse, keeping silent, then walk back into the arena.

Tony Dove
111 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:55
Craig@103. I'll be coming with you.
Ian Ravello
112 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:58:11
All this talk of Moyes is utter red herring - just lazy journalism which should be ignored. It's Jose for me - let's show some real ambition! Now where are those tennis balls.
Amit Vithlani
113 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:03:27
Really hoping that the consideration of his future results in the right decision ie the departure of our present manager.
Keith Harrison
114 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:34:19
John (107) the problem is, all the people who go to the game I know, including myself, feel the same - but the board don't know how we feel mate.
Even going to the game on Saturday, and staying in the concourse for the first 10 minutes in silence would make a huge statement.
Colin Malone
115 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:35:31
David Moyes is a Steve McClaren, thought he is better than he is. I would sooner have Martin O'Neill than Moyes. It would be the end of gutless performances under O'Neill and maybe Roy Keane.

This side has no comparison to the '80s side regarding the football they play, this side would have been kicked off the park if they played in the '80s.

Please no more Moyes.

Brian Williams
117 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:49:47
Take a tennis ball with "Martinez out" written on it and throw it on the pitch at a prearranged time at the Bournemouth game, as per Dortmund.

It couldn't be ignored, would stop the game, and get the message across. (It's also non threatening and safe).

For those who find this over the top or offensive, do nowt and continue to moan when Martinez remains.

Martin Nicholls
119 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:51:28
Keith - 102. Best post on this thread - like others, the idea of a 10/15 minute walkout and subsequent return appeals more to me than other suggested forms of protest. Also agree the observation that many ToffeeWebbers appear not to be match goers. That in itself is not intended as a criticism. Given that we attract very near to a full house every week however, I often wonder where those "I'm not going to another game while Martinez and/or Kenwright is/are still here" fans used to sit, or in some future Utopia, intend to sit!
Martin Nicholls
120 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:56:32
Brian - 117. I don't dislike the idea but am not sure that hurling tennis balls (aka missiles) would be seen by stewards, police and indeed FA as "non-threatening and safe"! FA would probably delight in docking us enough points as a punishment to drop us into the bottom three!
Ron Sear
121 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:06:56
Frank de Boer please
Tony Draper
122 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:15:41
Dear sweet baby Judas, not fucking dreary Dave !
Phil Sammon
123 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:18:31
Throwing a tennis ball onto the pitch is the dumbest idea I've heard in some time.
Ian Glassey
124 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:21:58
Frank De Boer for me to backroom staff of Stam and Bergkamp happy days..
Brian Williams
126 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:29:38
Have to disagree Martin.

Desperate times need desperate measures.

..and if tennis players can survive being hit in the dial by a tennis ball travelling at over a 90mph I'm sure footballers will survive "possibly" being hit by one at 10mph, although some of em would probably dive and roll around.

Each to their own but when you read up on the Dortmund supporters action it was brilliant!

Jay Wood
127 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:34:29
Dave Ganley @ 70.

Bang on the money. If the club has one iota of pride, Moyes should NEVER return to work for the club in any capacity.

That said, there is a lot of Orwellian 1984 rewriting of history of the achievements AND the quality of football played under Moyes. As you rightly point it, GP was never the hushed library it is today under Martinez.

There is more rewriting of our modern history under RM that he has got us consistently playing higher quality football. A total myth.

Ernie Baywood
128 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:37:17
Couldn't be Moyes. Surely he's provided enough proof that he's not a winner? And that's not me rewriting Moyes' history. He was excellent to a point... he hit his limit.

And I couldn't care less what he did as Man Utd manager. He was in someone else's employment.

The next guy inherits a very good team, and will have money to spend at a sleeping giant. That's not Roberto or David's opportunity - it's a huge opportunity for someone with pedigree.

Jim Lloyd
129 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:38:51
If the Board is going to meet; and I hope that they are, then it's got to include how we intend to keep the players we want to keep.

I'm hoping they already have a list of managers ready to interview and have told the players, or will tell them after the match on Saturday, their plans for the future.

My guess is, if that's the case, they may well leave Martinez in charge for the next few games and inform him that he will leave "by mutual consent" or whatever they call it, at the end of the season.

I'd like to see Stonesy stay, as I think with a good coach, he could become a top class player. I don't know about Ross Barkey to be honest, capable of flashes of brilliance but doesn't seem to have a clue about his role on the defensive side of the game.

However, I'd hope he'd want to stay, along with Deulefeu and Mo Besic, Seamus, in fact all the younger players along with saome of the more senior pros.

Lukaku, seems determined to play on another stage, so get the best money we can for him and give a new manager, a massive transfer budget and the whole Summer break, to start work on the resurgence of EFC.

My preference would be that he leaves now and Joe Royle take charge until a new manager takes charge; but there's contractual stuff that might prevent it.

As for who, I just hope they don't go for Moyes. I recognise what he did but I think they should be looking for the very best man can convince to become our manager.

Colin Hughes
130 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:39:15
Given the breaking news about Hillsborough just out that the 96 were unlawfully killed will be another excuse for us to stay out of the limelight and take a back seat from the news.
John Critchley
131 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:41:30
If tennis balls might be considered missiles by the powers that be.

How about we take a pack of balloons or tissues and hand them out to those around where you sit.

Blow the balloons up and wave them, same with the tissues!

Denis Richardson
132 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:41:49
Seems like this week may have a silver lining after all.

Unless Kenwright somehow convinces Moshiri that Moyes is the answer. That would be the end of it for me...twice he's failed since leaving us. Not managing a single full season at either united or sociedad. Nevermind, the fact he fleeced us for 20m with his last contract and treated us with utter contempt. It would be back to 451 with strikers running the channels again. No thanks!

Maynard Hanna
134 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:42:23
One wonders that, if they take action prior to this coming Saturday to relieve Martinez from his present position, will that clear the way for them to approach Mr Eddie Howe as his replacement? I think that we now need an experienced man at the helm with a proven track record.
Jay Wood
135 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:43:19
Jack Mason @ 89.

"One more thing, this managers are risks malarkey. Bullshit. Taking a step outside your front door is a risk. Nothing worthwhile in life is achieved through caution."

Agreed Jack. In life people justify NOT taking action because they "can't afford it," be that due to financial, emotional, family or social restrictions.

Such a response needs to be inverted on occasion to "I can't afford NOT to do it."

Because to maintain the existing status quo actually comes at a higher price.

Everton simply cannot afford to continue with Roberto Martinez at the helm.

David Midgley
136 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:44:15
Everton F.C. were like an aircraft spiraling downwards.
Moyes came along and got us out of the spin,got us steady and flying on an even keel. Over the years he got us climbing higher and up to 25,000 feet . Unfortunately everyone else is flying at 39,000.and that's where we want to be or higher.
He didn't have it then and he doesn't have it now.
We can't have him back .
Kites don't fly with yesterday's wind.

Klopp has shown what can be done.
We need a manager with a football brain, who will galvanize our players and will also look to the younger staff we have at the club.
I don't particularly want someone who "Gets Everton"
as long as they are good at the job.
I want someone who will get hold of Everton and give
it a good shake .
Spring is here. Let's get the secateurs, cut out all the dead wood brush it all away.
We move on.

Linda Morrison
137 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:55:31
I expect Martinez to be sacked prior to the week-end game. I had to read his comments post the semi-final twice to make sure I had read them properly. He blamed a "lack of investment in the club" which meant he "was forced" to use young players. This makes it very difficult when trying to build a team. Now please correct me if I am wrong but is this not the same manager who informed us he had developed the best team for over 30 years who would get us into the CL?

I can't see DM coming back although some papers are stating he would wish to. I wouldn't be surprised if the choice is left until the end of the season to see what happens elsewhere. I think it needs to be someone with European experience and either Pelligrini or Rafa would be my choice. If Newcastle manage to stay up they would have to buy out his contract.

I just hope it is sorted before the week-end as ths will be best for all including Martinez.

Tom Evans
138 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:01:24
Colin #130.
I have been listening to the outcome of the inquest and the emotions that come with it and it struck me that we would rightly refrain from hitting the news stand with news of his departure. If we did we would be accused of choosing a good day to bury bad news.
Nick Page
139 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:01:26
Agree, David. We need to forget this "gets Everton" BS - it doesn't win you trophies. Neither does it make your players play any better or the manager do it for free just because some bullshitter claims there is commonality with the support. It absolute meaningless marketing spin wrapped up in an emotive plea for unity and it needs to stop.

Success is earned.

Martin Nicholls
140 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:02:46
Brian - 126. Didn't say I disliked the idea mate, just feared what the consequences might be. Like you I very much doubt that a tennis ball would hurt anyone but simulation knows no bounds. Those old enough to remember Celtic v Rapid Vienna Cup Winners Cup game in 1985 will know what I mean and will recall the consequences! I will look at the Dortmund incident to which you refer as I confess I haven't seen it.
Loko Sanchez
141 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:03:01
I think Martinez is a decent guy. His brand of football was there to see in his first season. Unfortunately we don't have players of quality that can play that brand of football consistently. Our players are over hyped.

Having said that, we do need a new manager but maybe Martinez can be given a role of CEO or something. Just not managing the first team.

David Midgley
142 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:15:15
Everton F.C. were like an aircraft spiraling downwards.
Moyes came along and got us out of the spin,got us steady and flying on an even keel. Over the years he got us climbing higher and up to 25,000 feet . and we thank him for that.
Unfortunately everyone else is flying at 39,000.and that's where we want to be or higher.

He didn't have it then and he doesn't have it now.
We can't have him back .
Kites don't fly with yesterday's wind.

Klopp and Pochettino have shown what can be done.

We need a manager with a football brain, who will galvanize our players and will also look to the younger staff we have at the club.
I don't really want Jose M. , he seems to use a football club as vehicle for his ego and besides he usually buys players instead of looking to what's at the club and ,rightly or wrongly seems to me to be disrespectful to his staff

I don't particularly want someone who "Gets Everton"
as long as they are good at the job. They will get us eventually.
I want someone who will get the 11 on the pitch playing as a team.
I want someone with his assistants to look at all our playing staff and coaches and sort them out. No sentiment ,old boys etc.. They must all be fit for purpose.
I want someone who will get hold of Everton and give
it a good shake .
Spring is here. Let's get the secateurs, cut out all the dead wood brush it all away.
There is somebody out there.

We've kissed too many frogs in the past.

We move on.

Eugene Ruane
143 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:20:51
Relax, I'm sure fat-head might consider offering the miserable Presbyterian a second shot (remember 'my Jenny' loves him) and 'do-er Davey' himself would probably grab it with both hands, but I think the lady on the right might have something to say.


"Everton? EVERFUCKINGTON!? Jesus Christ man, are ye a complete fuckin' balloon? D'ye no remember gettin' booed tae fuck oot the place when ye wuz with United? Grim fuckin reaper ring any bells? Plus ye basically telt them tae hand over Baines and that other big twat-headed goon fer 20 nicker and a bag o' sweeties. Well if you want tae go back, it's up tae you, but yer'll be goin' by yersel. And remember, when yev just lost 7 games on the boonce, ah won't be theer tae rub calamine all awa yer fuckin' nervous rash."

Phil Walling
144 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:26:24
I realise I am digressing but there seems to be a feeling that both Moyes and Martinez have failed our young players like Barkley and Stones so we need a manager who can get the best out of them.

Could it possibly be that they have failed themselves and it's time for them to move on. Whoever is to be manager ?

David Midgley
145 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:30:39
Sorry about the dual posts !! Age.
Keith Harrison
146 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:36:07
You can't polish a turd, Phil, but there are definitely footballers lurking in the husks that are Stones and Barkley presently.
Stones was, in my opinion, excellent in the second half. Maybe this was due to the rumoured 'dressing room revolt' in which players took it upon themselves to play the way they know how in the second half. Apart from a stunning penalty save from De Gea, and several missed opportunities by Romlak in particular, united could have been on the wrong end of a hiding, instigated by the players.
The talent is there, the coaching and management is not.
Nicholas Ryan
147 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:37:45
Eugene... on the 'Link' Moyesey is wearing a very shiny suit. A suit is only shiny because it is either very expensive, or it's been worn 300 times .... I wonder which it is?!
Steve Bell
148 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:37:57
If it's true Martinez won't be let go until June 1st because of the higher compensation (why is failure compensated anyway?), can he be placed on immediate gardening leave, asked to clear his desk and not enter Goodison Park or Finch Farm again?

Similar to the way David Moyes should have been treated?

Kevin Tully
149 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:45:07
I'm fairly sure the club monitor social media, sites such as TWeb and they will also be keeping a close eye on season ticket renewals. They cannot fail to have noticed Martinez is friendless, both from a fans perspective and across the national media.

The defining moment may have come weeks ago, probably after the West Ham capitulation, but when Baines rolled his eyes whilst listening to his BS at Anfield, that confirmed to me the players had long since stopped believing in anything he had to say.

Some are saying it's done deed, with the board just biding their time until they officially announce his dismissal, which is in everyone's best interests at this point. Martinez cannot say he wasn't supported either by the fans or financially, but how can anyone back a manager who loses nearly 50% of his home League games?

I just hope we get someone in who can make the most of the fantastic support and financial backing that has been promised. Let's also hope we can rely on those in power to conduct their search on a global scale, and not look towards some past players, managers, or anyone who cannot attract major names to play for them. They could ask for some advice from the Southampton board, who were accused of short term thinking when they got rid of Nigel Adkins and subsequently hired Pochettino and Koeman. The parochial, 1970's outlook at the club has to be consigned to history.

We all know the first requirement on BK's list is someone who won't rock the boat, or speak out of turn. Not a particularly good starting point if you ask me. Anyone in any position of power at the club has to firstly worship at the feet of Kim Jong Bill before they are offered the position. That situation desperately needs addressing before we can move on.

Nicholas Ryan
150 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:45:49
Brian 117 .... can I make mine a cricket ball, and take along Brett Lee to throw it?
Eugene Ruane
151 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:47:53
Nicholas, hard to say, but I'm hearing a Private Fraser-type voice..

"New suit!? Achhh dinnae be so daft, yon manager is beyond peely wally - whit guid is an expensive suit gonnae dae him? (rolls eyes) Remember, ye cannae make a silk purse oot a pig earrrrrr'

Andrew Clare
152 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:48:26
My sons have already said 'that's it' if Moyes returns. Hopefully it's nothing more than paper talk.
Ray Said
153 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:51:40
If it is a formal board meeting then only board members will attend which means it will be BK, Woods, Elstone and Moshiri's rep-Moshiri wont attend. Elstone owes his position on the board to Moshiri so I think will vote in line with Moshiris postion, his rep will obviously do the same and I think BK will get out voted for once. The shape of things to come.
David Israel
154 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:51:48
Dave Ganley #70, full marks! I totally agree. People tend to forget the Walter Smith years, when even with some decent buys we could never put it together (I'm thinking John Collins and Don Hutchinson, for instance). David Moyes restored respect to the club. He stayed too long, I agree, but he shouldn't be criticised in the manner he too often is. Having said that, I think that is water under the bridge and I find it impossible to admit that his name would even be considered this time out.
Ernie Baywood
155 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:57:17
Phil #144 Which players have managed to buck the trend under Martinez to prove the hypothesis.

Did Moyes really fail them? They weren't ready surely?

Guy Hastings
156 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:04:17
Surprised they need a board meeting to discuss this. Whatever happened to video conferencing. Interesting to see how this goes. Elstone will back the majority (he's no mug), Woods will be pretty pissed off after Anfield. I suspect that BK is pretty weary of the whole RM saga and will lean towards whatever the new man wants.
Tom Bowers
157 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:07:14
Phil, you are right, the players have failed themselves.
Yes, Martinez has his own failings regarding team selection and strategies but Stones and Barklay have for the most part not been able to show the improvement nor consistency necessary to help make this Everton outfit proper contenders for anything.
I think both, despite having enormous talent have failed to respond after all the hoopla of a year ago when media reported possible big money transfers.
Their body language of late seems to indicate they want out and it wouldn't surprise anyone if Rom went too !
Phil Walling
158 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:07:22
Ray, I continue to believe that Elstone is very much Kenwright's man on the Board although I don't think the formality of a vote will come into it.

More like BK saying 'so you'd like me to have a word with Davy then ?'

Paul Williams
160 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:15:38
Tom (#130). Good point... so news likely to be Thursday or Friday. Caretaker until the end of the season. Test some of the youth and lay out the stall. Take the next few weeks to find the right guy.
Kevin Tully
161 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:17:26
I find it really strange that anyone would put forward the name of a manager who had been unceremoniously sacked from his last two jobs (one after 10 months and the other after exactly 12 months) who had never won a major trophy.

If fact, Moyes must be the only manager in world football who would even be considered by some Blues in regards to being our new manager with that sort of record. That's after saying publicly he was 'going on to bigger & better things' after leaving. CLUB. WE. DESERVE!!! Unfuckingbelievable.

Phil Roberts
162 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:18:53
Doctors on strike. Hillsborough inquest verdict. Seems a good day to bury a (good) news story.

Martinez out may not even get a mention on the news.

Phil Walling
163 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:22:27
Only at Everton, Kevin. Only at Everton !
Mark Burton
164 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:26:23
I don't think Moyes will be even considered if Roberto goes now. Acting manager will be appointed and board will interview various managerial candidates and Everton will proceed. We will always be Everton supporters but right now Roberto has to go.
Alan Ross
166 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:29:04
There was a report last week of a supposed board meeting at a hotel in Haydock that came to nothing. Prior to that, you would have thought that the shambles at the derby game would have been the final nail in the coffin for Martinez.

Yet despite this together with the lame semi-final appearance that surely there was no question of him lasting this long. The thing is Kenwright has finally found a manager that will assure us of Championship football. So why would he want to get rid of the man who can bring what he's been wanting all along.

Jim Knightley
167 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:30:08
Mike Keating – I don't want Moyes to come back, but surely you can see the absurdity of the logic in your post?

In case you don't, I will spell it out for you: When Moyes joined we were bottom third of the table team. We finished in the following positions in the 10 years previous: 15, 16, 13, 14, 17, 15, 6, 15, 17, 13.

Martinez contrastingly inherited a top 7 team. We had finished in the following positions in the previous 10 years of Moyes's Everton: 6, 7, 7, 8, 5, 5, 6, 11, 4, 17.

So Moyes inherited a team with one top 10 finish in 10 years, and only one finish higher than 13th. Martinez inherited a team with 8 out of 10 top finishes and only one finish lower than 13th.

Moyes managed to transform us on a shoestring budget. We spent around £2 million net a year under him.

Martinez conversely has spent more money than we ever have in the Premier League. Despite vastly outspending Moyes he is on course to achieve a second bottom half finish in 3 seasons. So Martinez has done the reverse of what Moyes managed – he is turning a top 7 team into a bottom half team after spending alot more money than Moyes ever had.

Well done Martinez – he failed spectacularly in cup competitions which no one is really taking that seriously. It's not a coincidence that no top 4 team made the semis of the FA Cup – it's a product of the complete transformation of interest from the cup to the league. The league is where the money is, and holds the hallowed possibility of UCL Football. In the league Martinez has overwhelmingly failed and threatens to rob us of some of the most talented players of the Premier League era.

I don't want Moyes back but I want a manager who can, at the very least, get us achieving what this squad is capable of. I can think of no Premier League manager who so clearly deserves the sack as much as he does. He has been an abject failure for 2 years and we cannot stand for it.

Ian Burns
168 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:38:26
Just read through every single post - Dave Ganley - 70 and particularly Jim Knightley - 167 - for me says it all.

Of course we don't want Moyes back but we DO want Martinez gone and these two posts put it perfectly in perspective.

The sensible thing to do (do we do sensible?) is to put Unsy in charge for the final four games of the season simply to give the board breathing space to make the right decision. Secondly, I think Unsy might just slip one or two youngsters to see how they cope. I am particularly thinking of more game time for Connolly; Davies and especially Dowell.

Cheerio RM and don't slip on those tennis balls on the way out.

Jim Lloyd
169 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:41:46
Well said Kevin.

I'm not so sure that the young players have failed themselves. They are both in the England squad and I'd like to see how they fare with another (but hopefully top class) coach.

I don't think Elstone dare just support Kenwright, not if he wants to keep his job. My view is that the decision for Martinez to go has been made and that the meeting is about the manner and timing of his departure.

Mind you, they might just keep him; and see what he can do with the oodles of cash he's on about spending.

Eddie Dunn
170 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:42:41
John Aldridge, why would you want AVB, he produced boring, possession based football, and bored Chelski and Spuds senseless. Martinez has been a factor in attracting players to us that would have been put off by Moyes. Alas, now I don't think Roberto's pulling power will be like it was.

In football the word will have spread that he is a bullshitter, and his star is fading. We simply have to terminate his contract ASAP in order to keep our best players and attract more to a new, inspiring management team.

For me, it has to be Koeman.

Anthony Flack
171 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:49:02
Ian at 168 - thanks you saved me a lot of reading, both the pieces you refer to are well constructed....

I want Martinez out, just struggling to think who realistically we might end up with instead......

Tom Bowers
172 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:51:40
It's looking like the end for the Catalan and most of us won't be sad to see him go despite a bright beginning. Three years is enough and sadly this great club is still not safe from relegation with 4 games left.

Based on current form they leave doubts about winning another game but one cannot see Sunderland or Norwich winning 4 either.

I would like to see some youngsters start the next game especially young Dowell but until the points are in the bag Martinez (if still around) will keep the same underachievers.

Dowell may come off the bench.

Jackie Barry
173 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:54:30
I'm not sure I could deal with a Moyes return, I might be done with football if this happens. Returns never usually work out and you would hope the Everton hierarchy would realize that and not put the fans through it.
Andy Walker
174 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:03:16
Well, who knows... maybe Moshiri wants to get off to a flyer.

I wouldn't be too upset if Moyes returned, he wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse, like keeping Martinez.

Tony McNulty
175 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:09:04
I am wondering whether the sudden Moyes stuff in the press could be a trial balloon, just to see how we react.

Presuming there is cash available, we need a manager at a higher level now, one with more of a pedigree.

The Martinez experiment was a worthy one: a younger, high potential manager, with silverware behind him, some quite nice football, and a reputation as a reasonable coach. It hasn't worked. We are heading backwards.

And a Moyes return now would be more wheel spinning (albeit at a higher level in the table). He may not have had much time at the Manure, but he did have money. It didn't work for him.

We need to look forward, not at the rear view mirror. Moyes – no thanks (doesn't mean it couldn't happen though).

Jay Woods
176 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:28:59
Is this rumoured board meeting just another relief valve for the club?
Gordon Crawford
178 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:43:56
Don't understand why anyone would want OFM back. After all he stabbed us in the back. Yes he was defensively sound and yes he helped stabilise us. The facts are he was so very negative. But the "knife to a gun fight" comment summoned him up perfectly.

He sent players out with awe and fear, when he should have made them believe, that they could beat anyone. Shankly, Clough, need I say more. And even what Ranieri has done is truly unbelievable.

Mike Moore
179 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:47:38
If he's not gone by Saturday, and the Bournemouth match starts going wrong, RM will experience hostility like never before, he's that blinkered he won't have even seen it coming.
James Stewart
180 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:57:29
@70 Dave well said sir. You perfectly articulate the feelings of all blues I know with that post. Agree with every word.
Steve Woods
181 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:58:46
Isn't it a bit strange that neither the BBC or SKY (as far as I can tell) have made any mention of this forthcoming board meeting...
Andrew Heffernan
182 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:01:42
70 and 167 sum it up for me too. Towards the end I found Moyes 0-0 draws or snatched wins painful so stopped going as the cost of flight and hotel was too much, but compared to the current buffoon it was far easier on the eye. I recall that sometimes it felt Moyes had no option but to sell to buy due to god knows what state the finances were in, Bobby has never experienced that. He's has blown it, we all see through him, I'm just shocked he continues to spout the nonsense... imagine how the senior players feel listening to that day in day out with his Wigan back room team (shudder!).

As for Moyes coming back, I have huge amount of respect for him and what he did turning the club around and working on a tight budget - but the comments shortly after leaving have left a bad taste and I think we all need to move on to something fresher... Koeman for me, but its that bad I'd be open minded about anyone!

Derek Thomas
183 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:04:58
Kenwright I could imagine, but nobody else would want Moyes back...would they?

Any way today with all this Hillsborough stuff going on is not the day to sack him do it tomorrow...PLEASE... just do it.

Soren Moyer
184 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:10:12
Please stop mentioning Moyes' name. My choices would be:
Marcelino (villareal), Tuchel (Dortmond), Koeman.
Damian Wilde
185 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:19:55 way! Never mind him acting like a prick after he left. He had Martinez like features. Playing players out of position, rigid and unwilling to change, playing his favourites. People wanted him out regardless of Man U's approach. And peopke saying Benetiz - mad; he's rigid and boring, the reds would never have him back, so why would we have him? Some of you are as bad as BK.
Jim Bailey
187 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:30:13
Sorry mate, take offence to your last sentence. This is all about opinions, and mine (I would have Benitez at GPtomorrow) is just as valid as yours.
I would also have Moyes back before the likes of Howe and Dyche who have been touted on here.
We'll have to wait and see
Phil Walling
188 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:38:53
Mike @179; any one who has seen Bournemouth play in recent weeks knows that they have become plain hopeless ! Their defence is a bigger joke than ours with 61 goals conceded. Everton have only to show moderate form to win by a handful.

Demos always look daft when you are winning !

Brian Williams
189 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:42:51
Phil Waling. A demo when you're winning shows that you're still not prepared to put up with the shit in general, and that one win doesn't make all the problems go away.

If anything a demo when you're winning could be even more effective.

Vijay Nair
190 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:52:58
Just a thought, but perhaps Moyes is being brought in as interim manager till the end of the season?

I certainly wouldn't want him back on a permanent basis, as it would be a step backwards...but the board could simply be looking at a stop gap whilst they search for new manager (like Koeman, or De Boer). He does know some of the players (and staff) well after all.

Jackie Barry
191 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:56:31
The thought of Moyes coming back makes me want to vomit. Talk about small mindedness.
Keith Glazzard
193 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:00:35
Get rid. Put Unsy i/c to the end of the season.
Could we tempt Bilic? Doubt it, but who knows?
Lee Brownlie
194 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:17:52
Why are so many people even mentioning Moyes name as a possible replacement? He's gone.. he's shot.. he took his 'big' chance and fluffed his lines!!.. He went to Spain and all he got was sunburn, came back redder than Stevie G!!!

All due respect, but the guy's a living dinosaur as far as a team like us who wants, needs, to move onwards and upwards is concerned!!! ('Knows the players' someone said.. er, yeah, as in he got to know em over ten years and still took us NO-WHERE!!!)...

Jim Hardin
195 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:21:25
Not sure I understand the anti-Moyes bent on here other than he left so why would he come back?

Maybe because over here college and pro coaches leave for other schools and jobs so frequently, I view it differently than some seem to. Moyes finished his contract out at Everton. Yes, he was looking for a job while doing so, but doesn't everyone? He didn't tank the remainder of the season. Everton finished 6th and finished with a higher points total than the season before. I guess I see his shopping for a job as a big "so what" since it didn't effect the team's performance.

As for Everton, Moyes did a pretty solid job of making the team hard to beat. He and the players were let down by the club ownership. For those claiming he didn't do enough, well maybe, but when was he ever provided the funds that RM has had? Do you really think Moyes wanted to sell our best players? His teams played for 90 minutes and were organized and had "chemistry."

I find it odd that RM gets criticized for not caring about clean sheets while some of the same people have found the clean sheet philosophy of Moyes to be a problem too. Despite emphasizing defensive teams, I remember Moyes' teams playing overall good football, never too one-dimensional and never disjointed. As for his knife to a gun fight phrasing, at least it helps to realistically dictate the tactics. Besides, when was a Moyes team really ever armed with a gun to bring to the fight? Besides, even if he did have one, it would probably have been a stage gun or starter pistol provided by BK from one of his productions anyway.

Do I want Moyes back? Yes, but only if the following are not available or persuaded to come ($$): Simeon, Bielsa, Tuchel, Puel, Koeman, or Pochettino. I know what Moyes can do at a minimum, and it was better than average. While I don't know what he can do with the resources that would be available to him now, I can only imagine it would be to challenge for top four and CL regularly just like he challenged for top 5-8 and Europa League regularly before.

Brian Williams
196 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:33:14
The continued consideration, either on a short term basis, or on a permanent long term basis, of one of our past manager's (I refuse to print his name I'm that fed up of it) shows a lack of ambition, an acceptance of mediocrity, and a complete shortsightedness and, dare I say, small club mentality...........not from the board (as far as I know) but from the supporters and posters on here that continue that consideration.
Oh how short some memories appear to be.
Without even going into the playing side of things the man's behaviour immediately leading up to and soon after he left was atrocious.
You don't give someone employment for ten years or so, let them organize their new job while they should be working for you, and then voice insults once they've left................and them offer them their job back.
FFS want better, demand better, have some ambition, have some pride.
This is Everton, not some third rate club pleading with their ex because they can't do any better.
We can...........and we must!
Sam Hoare
197 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:34:37
I don't want Moyes back but he'd do a damn sight better than Martinez and probably a fair few other touted people.

The very first thing any new coach will do is to get us back to where Moyes got us to which is a solid, hard to beat team always in or around the top 6. The disdain that Moyes is often treated with by some on these pages suggests to do that is the easiest thing in the world. Its not.

Any realistic coach even the favourites such as Koeman and De Boer will do very well to beat Moyes league finishes and get us into the top 4 or 5 and they will likely have more money than he ever did.

Brian Williams
198 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:38:23
I rest my case!
Daniel A Johnson
199 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:46:03
Moyes or Martinez...........

Moyes any day

Moyes is a good solid manager, tactically aware, with a professional attitude who made sure that when the players crossed the white line they put in a shift for the shirt and each other.

Martinez is a maverick bullshit charming philosophiser who has got where he is by conning naive old chairmen who have no clue about football (Kenwright and Whelan). Tactically naive, undisciplined, foolish, delusional and likes to surround himself with psychophants.

Phil Walling
200 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:52:01
Brian, I think there is a better than 50-50 chance that Moyes will return.

What are we going to do then, throw tennis balls, walk out at 78 minutes or simply cancel the season ticket ?

Speaking for myself living far, far away, I'll probably just lose interest !

Brian Porter
201 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:58:32
Can't believe Sky are talking about nothing else than Mourinho being the man to replace LVG at Man Utd. Ffs, like him or not, they are knocking on the door of the top 4 and are in the cup final. We of course are in the bottom half, failed to reach the cup final, were annihilated by our neighbours last Wednesday and our board say and do nothing, and Sky have decided we no longer exist. Nice to be a big club eh? Will never happen unless we get rid of the charlatan and recruit a high profile experienced manager to put some life back into the club before the only words used by the press in relation to us next season will be 'Everton & relegation '
David Tennant
202 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:02:23
Not Moyes for me. Did well, but job done, we both need to move on.
I actually like Eddie Howe, plays a high pressing attractive style, with an emphasis on disciplined team work that is very Everton. Ronald Koeman very similar, but I don't know if he sees us as a sideways move (despite what we think) and is waiting for something bigger or indeed is happy where he is.
Rafa Benitez is an educated choice, master tactician but not the most inspiring leader. Plus the Liverpool connection.
Mancini-read above, but maybe even more defensively rigid, however, no club controversy.
Bielsa- widely respected, high pressure style, attractive football, pochettino is a disciple which is a great indicator of his influence. Dealt with big players but language could be an issue and lack of premier league experience.
Marcelinho at Villarreal not a bad shout, but really don't know enough about him, his results are very positive as are the reports of his style.
AVB not for me, boring and uninspiring.
Tuchel, Simeone, Mourinho- very, very unlikely. Just can't see that happening.
David Tennant
203 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:04:06
De Boer also not a bad shout, my opinion is similar to that re Marcelinho
Graham Morris
204 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:10:43
Please not Moyes. Anyway back to this supposed board meeting. The problem is the board seem to play a similar game to Martinez. Slow pedestrian build up with little going on then it all fizzles out. Hopefully they'll mimic the odd moment of direct incisive play and make a damn decision.

Another slightly worrying angle is that everyone is putting a lot of faith in Moshiri. I know nothing about him ( probably like most TWs) except for his brief comments alongside Kenwright after Chelsea. He mentioned energising the club which was a positive but not sure about "pleased to be joining a family". I don't want to support a family , I want a well run business that strives to be successful and win things. Let's all hope he is a hard nosed business man who will not tolerate second best i.e. he asserts himself and sacks this fool and then picks a proven winning manager.

Vince Furnier
205 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:18:08
Big name manager is a statement of intent by the club. it sends out a huge message to existing & new players and will give us the media attention that we crave. Anything else and we may as well accept mediocrity for years to come. We are much better than that, so think big.
Tom Bowers
206 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:21:13
Why are people talking about Moyes? Lightning doesn't strike twice. Many players who are a success return for a second spell and flop. Moyes was not a success !

There are many other possibilities like Tony Pulis who knows the Prem. has the experience and when I last heard he hadn't renewed his contact with Albion who looked really sound against Spurs yesterday.

However, people may say he's won nothing yet but neither had Moyes nor Martinez unless you rate the Cup at the expense of relegation.

If not Pulis then perhaps Alan Stubbs who has done well at Hibs. albeit Scottish league standard but many Scottish club managers have done well South of the Border apart from Walter Smith.
Clive Rogers
207 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:27:58
Kenwright should resign over this shambles, he has almost destroyed EFC. Virtually every other club has a new or renovated ground while Kenwright has sat there for 20 years doing nothing. He will go down as the worst chairman in Everton's history.
Lewis Barclay
208 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:34:09
in that order but ...

and I don't believe I'm saying this ...

... Moyes might be a shrewd choice because of what he knows about the club and the existing staff, would the additional invest he could have make a 2-3 position difference to what he was achieving before - if so I'd get him back in a heartbeat because that would mean Champions League football most years!

Also - the stats suggest that Martinez's first season success had a lot to do with a Moyes hangover.

David Greenwood
209 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:36:11
Tom @206. Stubbs has not done well at Hibs.

Despite having the sixth biggest budget in the whole of the Scottish leagues, he is going to finish third in the second tier of Scottish football.
Promotion through the play offs is far from certain.

Two cup finals this season granted, one of which has already been lost to a last minute winner.

Goals constantly lost to crosses, and playing of favourites over players in form, especially goal keepers. Sound familiar?

Maybe in the future, but he's not ready now.

Daniel A Johnson
210 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:36:45
Eddie Howe is the new Aidy Boothroyd

Once touted as the next england manager where is he now?

Our next manager must have pedigree, Liverpool got klopp we must aim higher than a newly promoted unknown manager.

Daniel A Johnson
211 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:42:32
Flores is about to be jettisoned by Watford.

Not good enough for them but good enough for us???????

Kristian Boyce
212 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:47:19
Daniel #210, Boothroyd is England U20's manager now, so technically he could call himself an 'England' manager. But he's stunk the place out at all the other places he's been.
Nick Page
213 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:21
Hard to believe this was written over a year ago, and yet here we are. Same old same old...and the board still seem oblivious/ignorant.
Dennis Ng
214 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:23
Lewis 208, I hate Moyes now, but I don't deny his influence over the past decade. Moshiri would definitely help compared to BK. I do feel that we have seen a ceiling when it comes to Moyes though, particularly during his time at United.

Daniel 210, I guess your comparison of Howe made up my mind then. I had thought he was a risk worth taking but am suspecting his transfer dealings to be subpar, perhaps an unknown quantity for now, better let him grow at Bournemouth for another few years.

My preference would be Simeone (dream), Emery, Koeman, De Boer, Garcia, Bielsa/Pellegrini (with a player-coach under him), Cocu. As easy as the Dutch league is, it is not easy to dominate it like De Boer has, plus it is known to have a good youth system. We can't expect a complete overhaul of our players and systems even with Moshiri's billion so we need someone to do great work with what we have and improve (or take advantage of) our youth setup.

Phil Walling
215 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:57
Reading these comments, we really do shop at Poundland !
James Joseph
216 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:53:24
Clive (207), Kenwright has been terrible in so many ways but I think Dr. David Marsh takes some beating for the title as 'Worst Everton Chairman'. Amongst his crimes: Mike Walker; pulling the plug on Howard Kendall's deal to sign Dion Dublin, causing Kendall to resign; only one tier on the Park End because he believed the days of 50,000 crowds at football were gone - how much money has that cost us?; spending more time on the golf course than at Goodison - he was president of the R and A golf club.

BK was, of course, on the board during Marsh's reign.

Joe Clitherow
217 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:56:56
James 216

Absolutely agreed on Marsh as I have posted on here before. The guy that crippled Everton without a doubt.

The Chairman's Martinez to Moyes as he took over the club who had been Champions twice under the previous Chairman and squandered the legacy.

The biggest crime in Everton's history that people forget, making King's Dock etc a footnote, is that Everton were one of the original clubs who pushed for the Premier League and were well positioned to consolidate that but pissed the whole opportunity away under Marsh's total mismanagement and meddling in issues he clearly knew nothing about.

PS on some of the posts above, wtf is the "concourse" and the "arena" and what have I missed at Goodison? Is the concourse the shitty bit under the stand that smells of piss and where they knock out hotdogs from a stand? ("always see if you can check the hankies of the men who operate them", that's what me mum used to tell me)

Sam Hoare
218 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:00:53
Brian Williams 196. So you wouldn't take Guardiola then?
Steavey Buckley
219 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:04:02
If the manager is sacked quite few players should go with him, because Everton have a very average squad of players. That the fans do not want to see week in week out. Players that once were really good when Martinez first became Everton manager have gone backwards.

Both full-backs are not as dangerous going forward. Barkley has lost his attacking mojo. Lukaku has now lost his way and turning into another Kone, by being unable to find the net, even from the penalty spot.

The only player I can see doing well in the future is Geri Deulofeu, because age is on his side. Only if he is allowed to play behind the striker and free from tracking back. He has that verve and unpredictabilty that defenders don't like. But he needs to be set free from rigid tactics, that seemed to have stopped Barkley in his attacking tracks.

William Cartwright
220 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:12:25
Loko Sanchez @ 141. Nothing personal, but the name fits. . . . . .
Kim Vivian
221 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:14:49
Sam 197...Agree with that, but...

4th line - 8th word ".....should....."

Ian Riley
222 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:34:38
Phil#215. The chairman gets a championship manager in Moyes and Martinez who relegates Wigan. Everton fans expectations are what? Those managers reflect the ambition of the board by the transfer budget given. Staying in the league and a cup run is relatively good season for the board.

This is the problem with sacking Martinez. Some on the board may see it as job well done. Premier League status and a trip to Wembley for the fans.

Martinez may be handed 50-80 million in the summer. The board may assess the situation in october.

Clive Rogers
223 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:39:50
James #216,
I bow to your superior knowledge. But that doesn't make Kenwright any better, just awful for a longer period.
Colin Glassar
224 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:42:56
No to tennis balls, yes to white hankies. Tennis balls thrown in an angry fashion could be construed as a lethal weapon by some.
Phil Walling
225 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:51:30
Repeated 'votes' for the likes of Moyes, Howe, Allardyce and Dyche was the target of my Poundland Jibe, Ian.

The trouble is that Kenwright looks for 'the new young thing'so talk of high profile European bosses will frighten him to death. We are, of course, awaiting to see what The Investor is made of !

Oliver Molloy
226 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:51:46
I can see the headlines now !

Unfinished business - Kenwright hails return of Moyes to the peoples club....

Barry Roberts
228 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:59:34
Hopefully the powers that be will be taking action to remove Martinez soon at the thought of tennis ball protests etc, but another way to make our feelings known (peacefully) would be to hit the club "in the pocket".

I would suggest a boycott of the club shop, merchandise, catering, programme purchases etc. Maybe this would shake Elstone and Co.

On the wish list for a new manager I would like Koeman, De Bore or Mourinhio but we can't really consider welcoming back David Moyes.
Colin Glassar
229 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:03:58
Don't say that Oliver, It's not funny!! If HE ever came back I think I'd have to throw in the towel and take up gardening or yoga.
Phil Walling
230 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:13:53
Oliver, If your headline was to appear on Thursday and Davey was in the dug-out at the weekend, I wonder what kind of reception Davey would receive ?
Gavin Johnson
231 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:17:47
I don't want Moyes back. I'd have taken him as interim manager until the end of the season a few weeks ago, but warming the seat for the next manager only.

If we have a British manager I'd still have to say Eddie Howe. I was reading something the other day that said he was the manager who bought Danny Ings and Charlie Austin to Burnley from Bournemouth and Swindon respectively. He's got a very good record in the transfer market.

Ian Wright seems to think we should get another young hungry manager opposed to an elder statesman like Pellegrini so Howe fits the bill in that respect. Howe was my joint first choice along with Koeman until recently, but I think we need someone with a name and a bit more sway, so he's fallen back to my 3rd choice now after Koeman and De Boar.

Brin Williams
232 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:18:08
If OFM comes back, I'm off - no more 'I love this club and all that it stands for , the history, the fans, the beling of belonging '!! FUCK it,
if he comes back I will turn my back on all that/ Fact!!.
Colin Glassar
233 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:19:56
A numbed silence Phil?
Jay Harris
234 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:21:36
I can understand some of the anti-Moyes sentiment as he slept through the last couple of years of his contract and acted in a very snide way towards us after he left but we have to bear in mind he achieved miracles during his tenure.

A net spend of only 4.8m over 11 years compared to the current gobshite's 50m+.

Transformed a relegation side into consistent top 6 finishes with a few semi finals, a cup final and a few years in Europe thrown in.

He left a very decent squad including a maturing Barkley and Stones.

He acted with integrity(while he was with us anyway).

Oliver Molloy
235 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:23:45
Who knows Phil, I do think we have to aim higher than Moyes in really do otherwise we are standing still.

Those who may support the return of a Moyes will argue my headline is correct and he knows the club from top to bottom etc etc,
Could Moyes make us better with money ? , I think he failed miserably at Utd didn't he !

If Moyes returned I would indeed laugh because I would find it funny - it couldn't happen could it ?

Mike Allen
236 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:27:05
They say could save ٠m if they leave sacking until June, it may cost us a lot more by not sacking him now, Big Joe, Unsworth and Sheedy combo till end of season is more sensible.

Let them get the chemistry right no twisting of arms or stupid contracts to keep players who think they are better than they really are and dead wood is dead wood just get shut enough good talent coming through that can be rotated between 21's and bench instead of paying money nothing more than bench warmers
Gavin Johnson
237 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:36:16

You say Moyes always acted with integrity while he was with us but what about stringing us along knowing he was the next Man United job in waiting. To my mind that isn't a man with integrity.

Phil Walling
238 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:45:06
I've always believed Kenwright was fully apprised of Moyes plan to leave at the end of his contract but chose to keep it from us. Certainly, the sequence of events was the subject of open gossip from the Christmas beforehand in Wigan.
Paul Tran
239 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:50:38
Oh right. So the only qualification in support of Moyes is that he's better than Martinez? How about getting someone better than Moyes? Someone who has won things, maybe someone who hasn't been sacked from his last two jobs for failure?

Is Moyes the only man in the world who can get Everton into the top eight? Really?

Is that the height of our ambition? If so, we really are the small club that some people make us out to be.

Being better than Martinez doesn't make him a good manager.

As for Stubbs, some of us Blues up here watch the odd Hibs game. They play dreadful football too, punctuated with the odd good performance. Don't win very often, can't even make the top two in the very poor league they're in. Oh, I forgot, he's a Blue, isn't he? So that makes everything good, doesn't it?

I can put up with the board taking their time, but I'm finding this sentimental, backward-looking nonsense hard to take.

Martin Mason
240 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:13:51
I agree with the positive comments about Moyes and on how he helped turn the club around from the basket case it was with only the barest of funds. Having accepted that, as most must do, then you must also accept the corollary that Kenwright did too. He hired Moyes and worked with him all of the way through his time with us with exactly the same constraints, turning the club around from an embarrassing basket case to the reasonably healthy state it was in when Coco took over.

The myth that Kenwright did nothing but drag us down is now totally shattered because not only did he engineer that turnaround but he has now found exactly what he was looking for 24/7 (:-)) in the form of a wealthy investor who is totally for the benefit of the club. Every board since 1970 has dragged the club down but we have not only stabilised and arrested the decline under BKs stewardship but seen the club find what looks like the perfect partner to take us onward and upward.

For me he has a terrible weakness as a club owner in that he is stubborn and far too loyal to his appointees in the new EPL era where only ruthlessness and refusal to accept poor performance will ensure success.

Jay Woods
241 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:19:42
See, this thread is exactly what I mean when I say the club needs a revolution from the board right down to the tea ladies.

And the fans.

David Moyes, some of you say?

Eddie Howe?

Are you fellas out of your minds?

Has the club's mediocrity become that institutionalised?

Do you want to remain forever in a red shadow?

They get Klopp and you think we should just take that lying down, like we did their European successes in the 1970s?

Dave Ganley
242 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:22:39
I agree Paul Tran. We seem to want ambition yet a string of tired old names keep doing the rounds. Its as though people think well it would be nice to have Simeone, Mourhino, Emery etc but they would never come to us. Well we shall never know unless we start sounding out these types of managers.

Eddie Howe may well be the next big thing in the future, but at the moment he seeems to have a similar outlook as our current manager in that bugger the defence and lets see how many we can score. He has even said it himself that he needs to start paying more attention to defence. Bournmouths goals against are as bad as ours. Hardly the way forward.

I personally am sick of the lack of ambition of the club and some of the fans. If we don't think big then we will forever stay in the plucky Everton category. There was a time for Moyes and his pragmatism but that time has passed. Same as that time has passed for the tired names like Howe, Stubbs, Benitez, ffs someone even mentioned low can we go? Unless we and the board start living up to our motto Nil Satis Nisi Optimum then we will stay the small club we are now purported to be.

John Keating
243 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:25:00
you are entitled to your opinion of Kenwright, however it took him years of 24/7 looking to get a buyer.
Doesn't it surprise you somewhat that this buyer just turned up as the big payday arrived and Kenwright just happened to get a nice fat cheque ??
Good on him and he is entitled to his dosh.
Maybe and more likely if this big PL payday hadn't come off I reckon he'd still be looking.,
Chris Kelly
244 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:26:07
Agree with Vince 205. Now is the sign to show intent for the future and go for a big name winner. When City signed Robinho it wasn't necessesarily for the footballer rather than the shock it made to the premier league that there was a new force on the block. Big names can also bring talent. We have done young, untested at this level for the last 2 managers and we all agree surely we have fallen behind the rest? Pearson at Leicester created the foundation but it was the big name Ranieri who has dragged them over the line.
James Stewart
245 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:28:41
Paul and Dave are spot on. Lets give it a rest with the duff suggestions of replacement candidates. If the best you can come up with is Moyes, Benitez, Stubbs et al then just keep quiet. I've seem more awful suggestions on TW than in the gutter press which is worrying. Mourinho, Bielsa, Favre, Mancini are the kind of people we should be looking, lets have some self respect for once.
Oliver Molloy
246 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:29:32
Moshiri has not risked a penny yet, so let's see wait and see if he keeps his promises.

I want him to show us HIS money - not our money from possible transfer sales of at least two of our players.
Only then will I believe he has OUR interests at heart.

David Porter
247 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:30:10
Roberto Martinez is conspicuous by his absence from the official site at the moment. I think he last featured in the post match press conference. That could be his final contribution.
Anthony Hawkins
248 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:38:42
I keep looking but still no announcement of Martinez departure.
Martin Mason
249 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:43:03
Oliver, Moshiri will have legally committed to investment or he wouldn't have been sold the shares. I'm also really sorry to say this but the correct term when discussing EFC assets is theirs, not ours. By "theirs" I mean the owners of the club.

John@243, I believe that Moshiri has been looking at Everton for a long time but not at BK's price. BKs circumstances have now changed and he wants out. That is how business works, eventually the needs of the buyer and seller are met and the deal goes through. I for one completely back BK in not selling for below the market price based on fan pressure.

Patrick Murphy
250 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:46:03
Martin (249) I think we all realise that the club belongs to whoever owns it in a financial sense, but as fans we can call it 'our' club because it is and what would Everton FC be, without all those fans that have passed through the gates for over a century and a quarter.
Colin Glassar
251 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:47:40
James Stewart, what do you think of my earlier suggestion of Big Dunc and Joey Barton as an Everton dream team? It raised a few eyebrows but I think now it's sunk into a few people's heads that this could actually work (at least my three Facebook followers think so).
Jack Mason
252 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:47:45
Martin at 240.

I'll give you the connection and even go along with the assertion he and Moyes steadied the ship. However, he was part of the downward spiral that started in the 90's. David Marsh, Peter Johnson era, he was on the board the entire time. And therefore shares some responsibility for our chronic demise.

I'm fine with balanced and fair appraisals, but after Wednesday. Martinez should have been fired. No apologies or excuses. Sacked that night. It was a completely unacceptable performance from the players and the manager, that shamed our historic club and humiliated the supporters. The fact the Kenwright failed to act proved to me, he would place his ego above the interests of Everton football club

Kenwright's naivety, romance or "terrible weakness" belong in a character from an Evelyn Waugh novel and in a different century. Not a chairmen, running a club in modern football.

James Stewart
253 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:50:08
I think you should check your medication Colin!
Oliver Molloy
254 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:51:20
Ok Martin,
"Theirs" knew what I meant.
How do you know he has legally committed to anything, I haven't read that anywhere, I hope you are right but as I said before I shall wait and see what he spends.
James Watts
255 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:53:54
Apologies if it's been posted but looks like the protest is going to happen. It's the ONLY option we have left. BK still obviously thinks 'The Deluded One' is 'The One'. Spread the word, and lets get this joker out of our club.

Link to demonstration on Saturday v Bournemouth

Antony Matthews
257 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:00:47
No way will Moyes be accepted back. Could you honestly put up with Hibbo and his Favourite Osman being trotted out at the start of a match with the strains of Chariots of Fire belting out of the tannoys?
Colin Glassar
258 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:03:06
James, picture it. Half time pep talk. Big Dunc, stripped to the waist, hands on hips (like a Scottish Vladimir Putin), with a pigeon on each shoulder, stares into the distance whilst a snarling, snot dripping Joey Barton lays into John Stones after another careless display "listen soft lad you either get your shit together or I will personally bottle you you clueless dickhead"!!

I think it could work.

Dennis Ng
259 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:12:18
Colin, shouldn't we go for the "good cop, bad cop" combo? Dunc and Barton sounds like "badder cop, badder-er cop".
Brent Stephens
260 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:12:24
Colin, Joey Barton probably wouldn't need to snort just brandish that famous cigar of his.
Tony Abrahams
261 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:16:26
David 209, funny. Despite having the 6th biggest budget? I bet you Glasgow Rangers, absolutely dwarf Hibs, in the budget stakes, but I do agree Stubbs, is still learning his trade in football management.
Jim Hardin
262 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:21:52
I suggested Tuchel as well as Puel as I think both would be approachable. I know, Tuchel took over for Klopp at Dortmund but I think he would listen to an Everton pitch to be manager.
As for Puel, I am not sure what everyone knows about him but he has a record as a winner. Plus one of his sons, also in Ligue 1, is a right back and the other, who plays for him, is a striker and might be able to help the squad.

I have one other suggestion and that is Emery from Sevilla. I am not sure if rumors are true that he is unhappy there given that he is not given the finances to compete in or for CL in the league no matter the Europa League performance. The only unhappy person would be DelBoy as Emery was not impressed with him and said so.

Just thoughts to pass the time out here on the ledge waiting for the news of Martinez being fired (off the ledge and back into the office) or his contract being extended, in which case I have already picked out the hardest landing spot available.

Ian Burns
263 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:25:41
Martin Mason - Nothing gets my goat more than the argument of who owns the club. Of course those who have purchased the shares legally own the club but they are custodians of the club on behalf of the fans. Without the fans there is no club. So the club in all aspects belongs to the fans, so the club is "ours", looked after by custodians who own the shares. They are in a privileged position put their by us - the supporters passed down to for over a century.
Jimmi James
264 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:35:45
Just the very fact they are meeting, in my opinion means it is not as cut and dried as we hope. Surely if it was certain then that would have been sorted by now?. Im just not so sure we are going to get what we wish for but it wont be long now until we find out.
Sid Logan
265 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:56:02
The timing of the supposed board meeting is the most intriguing issue. Why now and not in the close season?

Could it be that season ticket renewals are pretty abysmal at this stage - I've held back on mine as a minor but ultimately but probably lame protest. The other option is that the Moshiri has someone in mind who wants an indication that the board means business.

If it's the case that the board want to show intent at this stage of the season the only logical conclusion is a change of management will result.

As for who could replace him - I don't give a shite right now - I only care that he goes.

The sheer pleasure of then focusing on his replacement would be a time to be savoured. It would fill me with a hope and optimism which the deluded one has long since eliminated.

Ian Riley
267 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:28:23
Let's all sit down and relax. This might take a while.
John Davies
268 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:57:24
Hope the time has finally come for the deluded blameless one to be shown the door. Kenwright and Co, do not let the club down by shirking your duties.
John Critchley
269 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:58:52
Anyone know when this supposed meeting is due to take place?
Mick Davies
270 Posted 27/04/2016 at 01:17:54
Reading some of these comments, I think Benitez was correct: we are now a small club. The start of this malaise was the lazy appointment of Harvey - recommended by his mate - the outgoing manager -right up to keeping Moyes because we had decent top half finishes.

Any club with ambition would have swapped him after 6/7 years and built on his improvement with a proven winner. Not 'plucky-little-over-achieving-Everton'. We basked in the praise of the Sky 4, who were happy because we never won there; we didn't want to upset the applecart while our manager was receiving LMA gongs. So we just kept on smiling on the road to nowhere, until he wormed his way into another job, and our pompous but dim-witted leader accepted a relegation merchant from rugby land and the cycle has started all over again.

I'm sure this is the longest run in our history (taking out the war years) without winning the title, and if our motto is to be adhered to, that is shocking. The last 17 years have been the result of a lame duck chairman, who borrowed money to buy the club, therefore putting himself at the mercy of sharks like Earl, and that nice Mr BHS Green, who were just waiting to make a huge profit and skeedaddle.

The result being, the loss of the greatest opportunity to put this club back in the big time - the Kings Dock scandal. We are now a laughing stock and until we start to think big (like getting the pantomime dame out and stop wanting the likes of Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis etc here) then we we deserve to be laughed at. Any BIG club would sack a man who was responsible for 2 hammerings by their neighbours in 3 seasons; not plucky Everton . . . sadly, although we miss them, it's a good job Howard, Bally and Labby can't see this fiasco
Phil Walling
272 Posted 27/04/2016 at 03:57:41
John, this crucial meeting is probably an invention of the twitterati ! More likely that BK has given his hero until the end of the season ' to turn things round'.

Wins against Bournemouth, Norwich and Sunderland William should put things right !

Phil Walling
273 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:00:40
Dont know how Bill got in there !
Martin Faulkner
274 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:01:10
If Koeman doesn't fancy it then I'd go for De Boer and his backroom staff with him, he may feel he can move on now he's won his fourth title over there.
Jack Mason
275 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:07:39
Mike @ 270.

Thought I was brutal mate.

Don't disagree with anything apart from the Harvey point. I think they were trying to mimic the boot room legacy from across the park. Which in retrospect was a failure, still if you look at Harvey's record overall we've certainly had lot worse since then.

At least there was an expectation then, that we could at least challenge for the title. Sadly expectation has been going down ever since.

Dave Power
276 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:24:43
A time for cool heads and strong nerve at Goodison Park (in my humble opinion). With four games of the season remaining, the chances of the "right" manager being (a) available (b) willing to take on the challenge are debatable.

Frustrating though it is, I would suggest that Mr Martinez be retained until season's end, and then for the board to go through a vigorous process of appointing a new chief coach.
Dennis Ng
277 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:26:53
Surely if Swansea is big enough to think of attracting Emery, we gotta at least give him a try. I'm rooting for Sevilla to get knocked out of Europa now.
Peter Barry
278 Posted 27/04/2016 at 05:13:20
The 'right' Manager does not have to be available now just before the next season starts so the fact that nobody has been shortlisted is no excuse to keep Martinez one minute longer.
Dave Power
279 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:16:17
Peter Barry, I can see where you're coming from mate, but WHO steps in? Ferguson? As a member of the current coaching staff, would he make any tangible difference? Just saying.
Brent Stephens
280 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:18:54
Re the bit of a debate above (Martin, Ian) as to who "owns" Everton - just the legal owners or also the fans (and the implication it's just like any other business). I'm so pissed off with this club that I'm changing my allegiance. I've bought the latest Tesco tee shirt, with "Mable" (cold meats counter) printed on the back (most of my family are actually Tesco blues - it's in their genes they say - though they did have a rogue uncle back in the 60s who was always on about some Lidl or other, and I think he must have led me astray).

I'm getting at the store early this morning to soak up the atmosphere (packet of sherbet dabs at the petrol sales first, the shop of nonsense). Eagerly scanning the papers this morning for latest news of Tesco sales of delicatessen products (fed up of all the southern talk about Deli Aldi) - vouchers arrived in the post this morning. Nothing much in there but there might be something online (Grand Old Tesco, maybe? I'll probably get a ban for that. Though I have to admit TescoWeb has the best laughs - I'm thinking of you Jean).

Looking forward to the AGM - any spare tickets going?

Come on You Tesco - Up Sales (Coytus)

Anto Byrne
282 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:27:20
Perhaps if we analyse the season a bit more.

Howard's time was up.

Baines got crocked and only now at season end is looking his old self.

Coleman has been inconsistent and had a few injuries.

Oviedo was playing well but was dropped for Baines and lost form.

Stones is an exceptional talent but needs improvement in defending aerial balls which is true for Jagielka who leads by example but not really a captain in the Gerard mould. Galloway was impressive and for seemingly no reason has disappeared from the first team squad.

I like Cleverly but was crocked and out for 3 months and is now looking quite a decent player.

Lets look at Barry he looks good reading the play and putting his foot in but McCarthy is there doing the spade work. Neither Barry or McCarthy offer anything going forward.

Gibson has not played much but is still a very good player.

Mirallas is his own worst enemy and is a match winner on his day but was preferred to Kone. Maybe his time is up to. Kone may have been a decent footballer in his early days and was a good foil for Lukaku I cant really see a future for him going forward.

Lukaku can play when he puts in the effort but mostly he is left isolated with back to goal and that's not his game. Lennon is good for 10 games or so then fades away.

Deulofeu is an exciting talent and needs to last 90 minutes.

Barkley is 22 and is one lazy talent, for 89 minutes he can be utter shite and then produce one incredible moment of magic. If he could just be very very good for 70 minutes he would be world class.

This season we have lost and drawn games we should have won, by my estimate its a good 30 points just flushed away from winning positions.

Can we blame Martinez for every bad result? What about the style of play that scores lots of goals and concedes just as many? It's probably a combination of both players and manager but ultimately its the bosses job to address the obvious shortcomings and the fact he has not means he is not doing his job.

Can he learn? I think not as 3 years at Everton is plenty of time to get your act together.

Martin Mason
283 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:08:25
Ian@263, I'm afraid we fans are customers with no constitutional or ownership rights in any shape or form. We are very important customers and can and do have some influence but that is true of all important customers of businesses.

The ownership of the club is by the shareholders and they are not custodians, they own the club. EFC is a Limited Co. not a Members Club.

Phil Walling
284 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:19:22
As each day passes without news of meetings taking place let alone a manager being sacked, I come to believe that Roberto has been given the last four matches to redeem himself and justify his continued employment.

If he fails in this mission, expect the season to be well and truly over before any announcement is made. BK will not want the likely return of his 'blood brother' to the manager's chair to be greeted with matchday demonstrations and the like. So Davey will be able to get on with the re-recruitment of Messrs Round, Neville, Lumsden and Woods in the calm of early summer.

Then, in a burst of transfer activity, expect to see Marouaine Fellaini 'back at his spiritual home' and the likes of Carrick and Januzaj to quickly follow. We might even see the odd signing from Real Sociedad added to the roster !

With sincere apologies to the bard, Evertonians will then have cause to say, 'Now is the summer of our discontent.'

Brent Stephens
285 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:22:01
Martin, I think the point is that while Everton is a business, and it's not technically owned by the fans, there is such a huge emotional investment in the club that's not matched by any emotional investment in businesses such as Tesco. While I shop at Tesco for some things, I shop at a score of other places for stuff that Tesco might sell. But I only support one club (well, unless it's Leicester this season). We are stakeholders if not shareholders.
Ian Burns
286 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:30:44
Phil - 284 - Given the events yesterday and the wonderful success for Justice for the 96 - and the fall out for at least today - I don't see it being appropriate for EFC to be making pronouncements on RM for a day or so more. I also take on board your oft quoted belief in that he is here for at least the rest of this season. I think you are probably right.

Martin - 283 - of course you are 100% right in what you say from a legal standpoint - my point is different. They are only custodians on behalf of the fans who have invested a century and more of time into this club and without us, there wouldn't be a club. For me, they are looking after it on our behalf. It is a different question as to whether they are doing a good job or not!

Jack Mason
287 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:04
Phil @284.

I understand the pessimism mate. But he's getting sacking. It's just a matter of when.

Andrew Ellams
288 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:23
Phil Walling @ 284. Whilst I don't doubt for one minute Martinez is going to be Everton manager for the final 4 matches what can he possibly do to redeem anything. We could beat Bournemouth and Norwich 15-0 but it will still be the lowest home points total in history. We could win all 4 games and our points total will still be 53.

For me their is nothing he can do to redeem the damage he has done to this club.

Phil Walling
289 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:40:44
Jack and Andrew, I totally agree. I just need to disabused of the view that Kenwright sees it differently !
Martin Mason
290 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:51:52
Yes, I agree that we're very important stakeholders and that we have an emotional attachment that surpasses any normal business/customer relationship.

I hope that we can get across our message about RM very clearly to the board without demeaning ourselves, the club or the players. I thought the mass walk outs by the Liverpool and Villa fans were very effective but I doubt you'd get a mass action like that at Goodison because I believe that most Blues aren't radical, just fantastic supporters.

David Midgley
291 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:58:01
The right manager is always available for the right salary and the right challenge . Any manager looking at EFC would be impressed at where we've been in the past and where we could be in the future

If we supporters can see the huge changes coming in the Prem. next season do you not think that professional football managers can't see them?
The EPL will be one of the places to be.

Bill Kenwright will be well aware of the singers and dancers in his west end shows and whether they are up to the mark or not. He'll know all about the show he has here.

I would think that DeBoer and his complete team would suit us ,however, it's all a matter of choice .
Nobody knew much about Pochettino's ability before he arrived.

I would prefer that the new manager has some knowledge of English,but that doesn't need to be his major asset.
He needs to get his passion, ideas and tactics across to the team a la Klopp.
He and his team need to assess all our playing staff and where necessary give youth a chance.
He needs to get the players working as a team and playing in their correct positions.
Clear out some of our present coaches as they are obviously not doing their job properly in respect of fitness and football skills.

Mr.Moshiri has possibly put £40 + million pounds into EFC. Why would anyone do that if you if you didn't want to have a great deal of influence at the club ? Why drag yourself over from Monaco, losing some of the valuable time allotted to you to stay in the U.K. unless you're going to be the controller and not just a shareholder ?
The fat lady hasn't sung yet.

The world is our oyster and we're still messing about with cockles on the beach.

We move on.

Mike Keating
292 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:04:12
Kieran #32 and Ray#34
Thanks for correcting my selective memory ( I was even at the Chelsea semi) but I think we are all agreed that we cannot afford another 8 years of RM to test his track record against Moyes and we definitely don't want to give Moyes a second chance to prove anything.
Perhaps a shower of asparagus from the stands at half time will do the trick but so far all we get is rumours. I was hoping Moshiri was going to inject a bit of decisiveness into the board.
Jay Woods
293 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:04:37
I just don't understand the logic in giving Martinez any more time to "redeem" himself. He has had 3 seasons to prove / demonstrate / convince / redeem... What can he show in this season's final 4 games than can undo the horrors of what he has delivered so far, culminating in the "defining" previous two games?

And Martin Mason, you make a valid point about Evertonians' lack of militancy which I construe as a self-censoring namby-pambyism borne out of a desire to appear un-Kopite-like. Recall the contempt directed at the Blue Union when they really tried to effect change via protest, and the moronic applause for Kenwright at the same time.

The question thus arises, do Evertonians even deserve better than what we have? That repulsive show of support for BK that day screams an emphatic "NO".

Nick Page
294 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:16:49
I do sincerely hope some of you are sending your excellent posts along to Billy Bullshit and co. The more the better even just for nuisance value. The massive egotist has to understand that we are here and we have a voice. COYB
Steve Bell
296 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:02:43
What possible reason is Moshiri himself not on the board, why is he represented by some Russian?

I find this all a bit strange.

Darren Alexander
297 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:40:54
Amazing that there actually has to be a meeting about this issue - it's hard to imagine a more clear-cut case of a manager needing the sack than this one. If he'd won the semi, they'd probably be meeting to discuss giving him a 5-year extension. The longer this goes on, the more worrying it gets...
Brian Williams
298 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:59:12
Darren (#297).

That's why it's SO important for some sort of protest to be arranged for the Bournemouth game. I can't be doing with some of the people on here who oppose ANY sort of protest and are just content to moan on here. They always come up with some reason, or excuse, to do nothing.

If the man's not been sacked before the Bournemouth game that may be our last chance before the board's made up their mind. Whether it be my own suggestion of the tennis balls thrown on the pitch (a la Dortmund) or the white hankie waving someone else suggested I don't care as long as there is a mass showing to make it clear we want him gone. Banners would also help.

Oliver Molloy
299 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:06:22

"Ok Roberto,"

"The fans are not happy - I feel you can win them back because you are an amazing manager, Mr Moshiri is yet to convinced but I know you can convince him - can't you"
"Go ahead Roberto"

Staring Moshiri in the face Roberto says.....
"I feel we have the making of an incredible future and we will have a phenomenal season Mr Moshiri.
With your millions we can take the club to the level the fans, me , you all of us want - the foundations I have built in the last three years we will see when the new season begins.
We must add a few quality players and work hard on our defence and we will challenge for the champions league positions...
I can say without doubt I have learned a lot this season and have taken on board many things that have gone wrong, but we have been incredibly unlucky as you know."

Moshiri sits and with a smile he says....

Anyone care to fill in his response !

Rahul Sreekumar
300 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:08:13
The timing of the players (Robles, Besic, etc.) show of support for RM, the silence of the Chairman & the Board and the way Unsworth was praising RM's youth strategy on the official site all lead me to believe that RM is going NOWEHERE.

If he was to be fired, the time was after the Derby or latest after the FA cup semi. It's Wednesday already, they would have started preparing for the Saturday match; no way he is getting fired before that.

It's just us the supporters who are taken on an emotional roller-coaster with the will they won't they sack him debates. And it's us who end up spending a proportionately larger portion of our incomes on following the team around with little or no say towards how things are run. We are the fools.

Brian Williams
301 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:08:32
In answer to #299.............."Fuck off Roberto you've been rumbled."
Mark Jensen
302 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:14:29
In answer to #299.............."Has anyone got a bucket, think I'm going to be sick?"

"By the way Bobby, what's with the 26% win percentage this season?"

Phil Walling
303 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:16:10
If you are right, Rahul, Kenwright and his tame investor will surely reap what they sow. Relegation !
Mark Jensen
304 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:20:09
Brian #298 I believe a protest is well overdue, probably by a good 12 months. BUT, and it's a big but, we shouldn't be throwing missiles onto the pitch or anything else which gives the FA an excuse and the Fat Controller to divert media attention away from the objective.

Protest by banners, songs, staying in seats, all will focus on the problem. Anything to do with pitch invasion, throwing missiles will be heavily used against the fans by the Fat Controllers PR machine.

You have been warned.

Brian Williams
305 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:32:01
Take your point but disagree.

Don't think a tennis ball can be construed "a missile."

Worked fine for Dortmund and in my eyes doing nowt is worse.

...and I'm quite prepared to take the chance.

Mick Davies
308 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:08:19
Charlton fans started with tennis balls, and last weekend they upped the ante with beach balls! If people aren't happy with that, how about a mass of red cards? They'd get the point across, be impossible to take from everyone and by displaying red, would show how serious we were to show anything red at Goodison.
Kevin Jones
309 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:09:04
Number 299, Oliver is the answer


"You fucking kill me Roberto, now get out"

Paul Andrews
310 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:11:12
Keep hold of the tennis balls,beach balls and white hankies.

He's gone.

Announcement tomorrow.

Kim Vivian
311 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:18:12
Have they met yet?

Rahul - Why not? If he could be fired after the derby but before the semi he can be fucking fired now or anytime before Saturday. What's to lose?

I'd fire him at 2.59 on Saturday if necessary and we'd still have a better chance of winning.

There's no way he's staying is there? Please, God, there can't be.

Neil Quinn
312 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:22:59
Rumour just been posted on facebook that an announcement will be made in tomorrow. It was held back due to the Hillsborough inquest & the club didn't want to appear disrespectful.

Cue everybody pressing "refresh" on their computers tomorrow. I'm going for a lie down. My head hurts with it all.

Antonio Michaels
313 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:23:12
Typical of EFC to take so long to make any form of statement.
Rob Halligan
314 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:25:05
I'd kinda like him to still be in charge for Saturday and take all the dogs abuse we can possibly throw at him. Then call in the trading standards office and do him for running a business into the ground.
Jack Mason
315 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:32:30
Neil @ 312.

That's what I heard last Saturday, by mutual consent. Just a matter of timing. It's the best for everybody at this point.

Rahul Sreekumar
317 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:08:04
Kim @311: Technically, there's no reason why not.

It's just that I get the feeling that if they were about to give RM the sack, they wouldn't be praising him on the official site and running with the other positive stories about him in the press. I just don't feel the sack is going to come before Bournemouth.

Let's wait & watch. I'd be delighted to have my feelings proved wrong in this case.

Sid Logan
318 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:37:39
If the Board really are meeting it can only result in Martinez leaving. Otherwise why meet at all at this stage.

Even a board without a finger on anyones's pulse must know that an endorsement this week of Martinez' continuation as our manager will result in a massive backlash from the fans.

Forget the hype from the Club's website if the board meets - he walks!

Kim Vivian
319 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:49:16
If that's actually the case, Neil, then that's got to be it hasn't it?

I guess all this latest hype is just a precursor to the official announcement about what a great bloke he is and how everyone on the team just loves him... blah blah...but he has decided he is not the right man to build on his solid phenomenal incredible foundations... more blah blah etc...

Much like he wasn't the right man to take Wigan back to the prem.

Wigan - Who actually continued their free-fall after, and because of, RM.

I just hope we can bounce straight back to where we should be, but that may be hard if we get a player exodous. It's going to need a good name coming in to hold on to some of our key men.

Graham Coldron
320 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:26:31
This may appear desperate but has anybody heard any rumours from a reliable source about when he will be sacked ? As a season ticket holder living in Blyth in the north east I am not privy to any rumours that may be doing the rounds on Merseyside .
Neil Quinn
322 Posted 28/04/2016 at 00:51:31
Oh Jeez.....I know it's only the Mirror but please, No.

Gavin Johnson
323 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:15:01
I think Mark Hughes would be a good appointment albeit an unspectacular one. A bit like David Moyes but without the baggage. His reputation was in tatters after QPR but he's done a very good job at Stoke.

I'd like to think we'll be aiming higher for some managers who have actually won something unlike nearly men like Hughes or Moyes. Someone who will play progressive football but also has some idea about defending. Cue.. Ronald Koeman and Frank de Boer.

Kieran Kinsella
324 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:19:06
Hughes is a safe pair of hands but can he win? He's very much like Moyes.
Gavin Johnson
325 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:22:43
Yes, Kieran. A safe pair of hands is the perfect description. The funny thing is I bet most Evertonian's would take that right now. At least in the short term. I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops about Mark Hughes having the job. But, like David Moyes, he'd get us regular finishes in the top half, even if neither of them would ever win anything.
Dominic Tonge
326 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:42:49
The board need to meet as soon as possible. The quicker he is sacked the quicker we can begin the process of getting a new man in. The idea of waiting until closed season seems like a recipe for disaster. We risk letting the whole sorry mess drag on and it impinging on next season.

A new manager means a new back room staff, new training regime, possibly new coaches, he needs to look at the squad, highlight strengths and weaknesses, identify who he wants rid of, who he promotes from the unders, identify transfer targets and get the squad onboard with how he wants them to play.

Next season is huge for us, so let's not start it by wasting time getting a new gaffer in – lets for once as a club just work out what we want/need and go and bloody get it without any delays or hiccups or messing about. That way we get to maximise pre-season, something we haven't done since Martinez took over.

Who knows, that way we might have enough time to practice defending set pieces, eh?

Don Alexander
327 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:15:12
Lyndon, with genuine respect, what is the actual Everton hierarchy? None of us mere fans have a clue. The fans of no other aspirational club has to put with such circumstances as we do. Investment by whoever is all well and good but even they, the investors, have to come clean to the fans unless they are just asset which case there's gonna be a mega shit storm.
Derek Thomas
328 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:59:27
The New Guy IS coming - but not until the season ends; and it won't be Hughes or Moyes.

I think that given the last 7(?) games and the resultant mood, the fact that Roberto's going can be announced sooner rather than later, yeah its a bit of a blow to his pride. So he has two choices

1) Clears his desk effective on the day of the announcement.

2) Swallow his pride, hang on until whenever/1st June/Bitter end*

Pellegrini was told ages ago and is still in there swinging.

*Though I do think somebody should maybe have a word in his ear and put him on 'gardening leave' because it will get a bit toxic.

Jay Harris
329 Posted 28/04/2016 at 03:31:14
For all the knockers of Moyes he pissed all over Hughes when he was at Man City. In fact Moyes was consistently better than Hughes, O'Neill, Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't want Moyes back. All I am saying is we need a top manager and Hughes does not tick the right boxes for me... in fact, I would sooner have Chris Coleman or Martin O'Neill than Hughes.

I can't see why with all the money and history we cant try to get Simeone (okay, a stretch), De Boer, Emre, Tuchel (who I am sure would love to lock horns with Klopp) or even Blanc (who would know quite a few of the French up-and-coming players).

James Byrne
330 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:02:16
So talk about Mark Hughes as his name gets thrown around by the media. Why doesn't that excite me at all!

We need a manager to come in who can convince the younger players to stay with Everton; Hughes isn't that man I'm afraid.

Phil Walling
331 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:46:57
Beginning to believe that next season's manager is already in post!
Chern Lee
332 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:51:02
I'd go for Phillip Cocu - I watched his PSV side go toe to toe against Atletico Madrid in this year's Champs League and they were very unlucky to lose on penalties.
Paul Williams
335 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:05:04
Board meeting this morning, Adios this afternoon....?
Jay Woods
336 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:17:06
Not interested in a "safe pair of hands".

That's the mentality that has seen us cower under a red shadow since Shankly and now they have Klopp, that shadow will almost certainly lengthen if we don't do something drastic.

I believe we need to start measuring our own footballing ambitions by that other lot's standards and stop accepting that we must always be the second club in the city.

Michael Neely
337 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:19:09
What will happen if Martinez is given one more season to get things right? Will people stop going to Goodison ? Will the protests and banner waving go on for a whole season? Is it possible that some players will take a long hard look at themselves and play to their potential? Because some of them are blameworthy for the teams poor performances.
People go on about our lack of defence, but, apart from John Stones we have an experienced back four who shouldn't need an awful lot of coaching and should know how to cover for one and other. To blame Martinez for all the teams failings I think is unfair.
If though, these were the only issues I would be willing to give him another go, but one episode rankles me and keeps gnawing a me, and that was his treatment of Lieghton Baines. I found that utterly deplorable and for that lack of decorum and honour I'm afraid Mr Martinez has to go.
Patrick Murphy
338 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:31:54
Michael (337) If the Everton board did indeed give Roberto more time to finish his project they would be guilty of ignoring a large section of the fan-base and probably the evidence of their own eyes.

The players have let the club down but the manager has had nearly 2 years to put it right and has failed either due to the players ignoring him or because he has been unable to find any solutions. Once a team or manager are relying on luck they are in trouble and for too much of Roberto's tenure, luck is the key element of his masterplan. Luck was on his side in his first season, when the opponents failed to score or the woodwork came to Everton's rescue but it has deserted him in the Premier League for nearly two seasons, and as I said luck shouldn't be such a large part of a managers armoury - he has to be relieved of his duties to ensure there is a fresh start to 2016-17, else the fans will on the whole be considering their options.

Andy Boyer
339 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:33:37
This is probably going to make me unpopular but here goes.....

As fans I believe we are letting ourselves down immensely, we all come on here and bitch and moan about RM and BK and the state of the club and throw in our two penneth worth and yet the most that's happened to demonstrate our discontent is some banners at the away end at a game at the other end of the country.

Where's OUR pride and OUR balls and OUR power as fans....? why are we so spineless....? the next game at home should be a non attendance game, by all means go to Goodison, but go with banners, flags and march in the streets around the ground, watch in the pubs and spend our money elsewhere and the club would soon sit up and take notice.

At the end of the day, one bloke in a pair of speedos has made more impact than an entire crowd (for all the right reasons I might add) so why can't / won't we do the same to affect the change we so passionately (allegedly) crave....?

It's a countrywide issue, we've all become total soft arses, we moan about Dodgy Dave and his cronies down south yet just sit in our houses and complain to the TV doing nothing to change anything, in the seventies & eighties the country had to qualms about voicing discontent, the same should apply to OUR club, it's time to take a stand.

And no, a damn plane won't do........

Trevor Peers
340 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:58:31
Presser at Finch Farm 9am, according to the Echo, Roberto will be spouting his usual verbal garbage, he's going nowhere.

I personally will not be watching the blues again this season if this guy remains in charge.
One win and he will be hailed as new massiah all over again.

Sid Logan
341 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:02:16
The suggestion by the Mirror that Kenwright has places his 60 mile compass on the map and now come up with Mark Hughes better not be true.

There may well be riots around Goodison Park on Saturday if it is. He may we better than Martinez - who isn't? - but he's a mediocre merry-merry-go-round manager and we don't want him!

If Hughes is the limit of Moshiri's ambition he's not the man we thought he was. Either that or Kemwright's influence is still as toxic as ever. Please don't let this be true!

Andy Boyer
342 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:03:12
Got it up on Youtube and it's still not started, perhaps he's bottled it...
Chris Wilson
343 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:16:59
It's up now. Live on Youtube, via Liverpool Echo.
Chris Wilson
344 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:19:23
So far the press is giving soft questions. Keeps trying to connect to the fans, and the club's history.
Sam Hoare
345 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:21:27
I remember a few months when Stoke beat us and were riding high (in 8th or something) and the usual ranters were saying how we should boot Martinez and get Hughes, a proper manager!

I'm not a fan, though he has done a decent job at Stoke these last few years and they play pretty good football now.

What all the various thread have shown is that there are very few managers out there who look a 'sure thing'. People keep banging on about Simeone as though he he's even a remotely realistic possibility, which he isn't. Even if we do have some money there are plenty richer more glamorous teams than us who would want him if he became available.

I'll take Koeman, De Boer, Tuchel, Pellegrini in that order.

Chris Wilson
346 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:22:32
Ah, finally asked a question about his job security.

AHHHH!!! He actually said that he understands the scrutiny, but he should not be judged on the last 2-3 months, but the last 2-3 years. He's also trying to play the "I feel the fans hurt" card. Guy should be smacked.

Chris Wilson
347 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:30:25
Well, that was a short press conference. I I need a shower now. I honestly cannot listen to him now; I literally want to scream.
Carl Taylor
348 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:35:00
Utter drivel from Martinez again. "We might have a weak back four this weekend", way to build confidence! "Don't judge on the last 2 or 3 months, look at the 3 years". OK, a team that consistently finished top 6 is now consistently between 12th and 10th. "Don't judge Everton on having the 9th biggest budget in the Premier League". OK, what budget did Leicester, Stoke, Watford, West Brom and Southampton have? All have had better seasons than us.

Just go, have some pride in yourself and stop hurting our club.

Patrick Murphy
349 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:36:15
Mr Kenwright I hope that you haven't forgotten that the loyalty of the fans throughout your tenure, has helped you to retain your position as the leader of the club. When you needed them most, they have continually renewed their season tickets in huge numbers and in no small way, kept the wolf from the door.

If as seems likely you are going to show Mr Martinez loyalty and give him longer to succeed you will be gambling on retaining the fans loyalty. You may of course be proved correct in the long-term but my word you are taking one hell of a risk, but then again you don't have to rely on those people to support you any more so they aren't quite as high a priority to you as they once were.

Eivind Nyhus
350 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:44:32
FFS, he's still not sacked? He'll be here next season, then.
Phil Sammon
351 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:51:01
I can't believe he mentioned the Wolfsburg game. The man is desperate. If he's not feeling the pressure from the Board, then he's certainly feeling it from the fans.
Win, lose or draw on Saturday - it's going to be ugly. Shame on the Board for dragging this out.
Christopher Timmins
352 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:54:48
Sam, while stating a preference for the Manchester City manager in previous posts, I would take any of the four managers you refer to!
Franny Porter
353 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:56:46
In my opinion, the board either need to very publicly back him and let us all know were we stand or let him go immediately.

If he is in charge on Saturday, with doubts still lingering, then the atmosphere is going to be fucking toxic. This wont do anyone any good, him, us or the players.

Kenwright et al need to grow a fucking set and address the issue sharpish. I'm no fan of RM but I don't think he deserves this treatment, put him out of his misery for fuck sake.

(As an aside, if his replacement is Mark Hughes, I'm gonna start self harming)

David Midgley
354 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:57:29
I have read many posts stating that the likes of Simeone et al are beyond the reach of Everton.

It has been reported that Pochettino has been sounded out about the PSG job and that having played there he would one day like to return !!!
He was also mentioned as being wanted bu Man U.
I know it's only internet chatter but who would have
thought ?

All is possible .
You just have to squeeze the nut hard enough to
crack it.
I still fancy DeBoer and his crew.

Tony Hill
355 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:57:56
A disgusting performance by our ridiculous Board who are clearly going to do nothing, which is what they have always done best. They treat us with contempt. If we continue to turn up and bend over then we get what we deserve.
Sid Logan
356 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:05:33
Is the talk of Mark Highes Kenwright's revenge of the fans who demanded a change?

Is he hoping that in the future he can say "careful what you wish for?"

Surely an announcement before 3rd May (final guarantee your seat day) must be made.

I hope Saturday get the message over to the board loud and clear - the reality is we have no other way to make out views heard!

Finn Taylor
357 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:06:54
Tony Hill @355

'They treat us with contempt.'

Spot on mate. And the only thing we should do on Saturday is not go in when the game kicks off. Everyone should stand outside the ground, singing the name of the club. An empty stadium would make an impact - the fact is - the board or whatever it is that runs the club - do not give one iota about us. And this issue is now more about just Martinez job; Watford released a statement last night saying they would consider their managers position at the end of the season... nothing from our lot... no one is steering the ship!

David Morgan
359 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:58:37
I would like us to move for Pellegrini. He was amazing for Villareal and Malaga and must have a gained invaluable experience at the joke jobs of City and Madrid. He could be our Ranieri and perhaps he could up our pressing game and tempo...not sure he would add much to our defence mind. But he would be the best candidate in my eyes and would be available.
Hugh Jenkins
360 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:12:53
Haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread so some of this will have already been said - and some may not.

My view :-

Martinez has to go;

Moyes is not the right replacement;

A visual protest is needed in order that the Board shall realise the full extent of the feelings of the majority of fans - not the few that actually take banners;

From most parts of the ground, tennis balls thrown will merely hit some of the supporters sitting in front of the thrower and never reach the pitch;

Regrettably, I don't have an alternative suggestion.

Brin Williams
361 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:19:07
FT 357 - 'And the only thing we should do on Saturday is not go in when the game kicks off. Everyone should stand outside the ground, singing the name of the club. An empty stadium would make an impact'

That sounds like the best suggestion that I have heard on here - and it would make an impact in a non aggressive way.

Linda Morrison
362 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:54:10
If the board are meeting this week that only leaves tomorrow?

I've just seen the muppet on Sky Sports twittering on about "all being in it together". I thought you've taken tips off the Tory Dave-bad idea!

This needs to end one way or another surely before the next game. Either get rid or give him the vote of confidence. At present this is embarrassing

Tony Twist
363 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:51:04
I have to be honest I am on a knife edge, if Martinez is not removed well before the start of next season then I am out of here and will take a break from Everton. Like a lot of people I really have had my fill. Now there is a suggestion that Mark Hughes is in the frame! My god, which idiot has suggested him! I would understand it if we were skint and he was the best of a bad bunch that were available but surely now, with the money available, with players that could become greats of their time , we can live the dream a little bit and get a manager which make the other teams sit up and take note and worry about playing us. It's not too much to ask, is it?

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