The manager faced the media after the 2-1 defeat to Manchester United and was asked if is still the man for the job at Goodison Park despite another hugely disappointing season and a second cup exit at the semi-final stage.
"I am, yes. I'm so attached to Everton and my ambition is exactly the same as their ambition.
"Over the last three years we haven't invested any money. We've been handling assets really well. I think the squad is at a great valuation if you want. We've got very good young players, we develop young players really well.
"I just share the drive that the football club has which is to getting into the Champions League, getting into positions where we can bring silverware to the football club and I'll give everything I've got to fulfil those expectations.
"I feel every season we are developing and showing certain things that can please our fans and bring the silverware they deserve.
But clearly, at moments like this of true disappointment, it is very difficult to see through that the real good things we have developed over the last three seasons."
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1 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:07:41
2 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:08:18
Padded cell ready.
4 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:10:48
Is this for real or some kind of delayed black April Fool's joke???
We have had a completely horrible season, coupled with arguably the worst week in the clubs recent history!!
Defining week yet all we turn up for is 35 minutes in the second half..
We have lost the two games we couldn't lose, and now I hear this from Martinez..
I am starting to wonder if I'm asleep and this week has just been a bad dream....
5 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:10:50
As for the valuations, two of our 3 gems were here before he arrived. The 3rd cost 28m. If you add Del Boy to the mix, Barca have a buy back which would leave us with a small profit?
But the message is clear. Having screwed up in the league, he bigs up the cups. Those are now out of reach so he bigs up the squad. If the squad disintegrates this summer what will he big up next?
6 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:11:12
Three years is enough time, with Everton's resources, to build a team that challenges for the title.
Martinez has had his chance.
7 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:15:34
Only he could say that we are developing every season.
Actually, he's probably right for once.
We have developed into a bottom half bunch of under achievers.
Only a mad man could spin that one!
8 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:15:57
9 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:16:28
Even fucking Kenwright has surely seen enough.
Get rid now.
10 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:18:35
11 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:18:36
All eyes on the owners now and if they don't sack him before the end of the season the atmosphere at Goodison could turn very nasty as soon as the team give away goals or play sideways/backwards football. It could end a lot worse so I think it would be fairer to show him the door now.
12 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:19:05
IF we keep Roberto on, we then deserve everything coming our way. We're next season's Villa.
RELEGATION is our destiny. Defeat will become totally acceptable.
13 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:19:49
14 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:20:34
15 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:21:11
17 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:23:37
1. No, you're not
2. You're wrong
3. WAY TOO SOON to be saying shit like this!!!!
18 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:24:14
... while Leicester and Spurs are trying to win the EPL.
Is that really the full extent of the club's ambition?
There is no question that Martinez is a nice guy, although his constant head in the clouds positivity and dancing at concerts is embarrassing, I'm sure he'll see some more success in his career.
I don't have any confidence in him now though and I can't think of a way he can turn that around without being given an amount of time which could be very damaging for the club if it didn't go 100% correctly.
We're likely to lose at least one of our more talented players this summer and we need to replace at least six others.
I hope someone has a got a plan!
19 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:25:58
It's up to mr morishi now, and let's hope that he does not listen to bill.
20 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:26:29
Questions will be asked of Moshiri's role if Martinez is still here next season.
We have won ONE home game since November, we basically look incapable of beating anyone at all and we cannot defend full stop.
Keeping Martinez will ensure this team is in a certain relegation battle next season (not mathematically safe this season).
This last 18 months has made me feel as low about Everton as I have done since the dying embers of Walter Smith's tenure in Spring 2002.
21 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:26:45
22 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:27:13
23 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:27:19
24 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:28:03
I know there's too much money at stake for you to resign, but please Mr Moshiri, sack him tomorrow.
25 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:28:21
How can they not see what we see? I'm astonished he thinks we have spent no money. Aren't three of the players he has brought in top 5 transfer records?
My heart goes out to all those who made the trip. You deserve so much more.
28 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:38:37
Until this club changes its whole structure and attitude and stops living in the bloody past, this will repeat with regular monotony.
Employ a winner as manager and players who take a bollucking when they get it wrong and stop making excuses, might be a start.
Harsh, but true.
29 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:38:41
developing. Please, please SeÃ±or Martinez, release us from your torture
30 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:39:06
We could understand the above drivel if we had improved season upon season, but we are continually regressing and it's getting faster.
I don't know a single blue who has any confidence in him anymore.
If he told me the sky is blue and white in the morning, I'd seriously doubt him.
Three years with one club in the premier league is ample time to implement a plan for progress. His plan hasn't worked. Simple really.
Now turn the fucking lights off on your way out
31 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:40:41
32 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:44:37
We share success and failure with our managers and have sat back and watched other lesser clubs change their managers like Beckham changes his haircuts; with little resulting success. However, we have reached that uncomfortable point when, as nice a fella as he is and he really is we have no choice but to show him the door. Make no mistake, this will happen soon and so what we need to do is stop wasting time calling for his sacking and start selecting our ideal replacement.
I don't know if it's just me but I can't think of any ideal Everton manager at the moment. Jose wouldn't come, we should avoid "up and coming" starlets and established, quality coaches are gainfully employed. One things for sure, I really hope the member who suggested we consider the fat Spanish one was suffering from a temporary loss of senses.
In conclusion, I hate sacking the manager and hope it's another 15 years or so before we are forced to do this again.
33 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:48:02
I expect an announcement very soon that Martinez has lost his job. I wish him well in the future, but it's time someone in our club grew a pair and did the right thing.
Ronald Koeman for me!!!!
34 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:52:48
With the time difference however, next time I turn my phone on it'll be around midday Sunday.
I really don't want to attend any matches until he's been sacked, but if he's still in a job by Sunday night / Monday morning, I'd drive up from Oxford with a Martinez out banner for one of the remaining home games if need be!
35 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:56:38
He is the man for the Everton job.
He needs a longer term contract to fully implement his philosophy.
Where we differ is the location.
I'm thinking of that Everton team in Chile (Ruleteros?) because Everton in L4 is far too big a job for him.
(Apologies to the Chileans).
36 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:56:48
To say Everton fans are pleased with the development we see is an utter joke, this guy is so out of his depth its unreal. We bought into all his bollocks in season one, season 2 we kept the faith but season 3 has shown him for what he is.
This fella has turned Goodison from possibley one of the toughest stadiums to get a resuly into a free for all. I live in Portsmouth and take my son regularly, even he is reluctant to drive up because we never win at home!
This guy is ripping us apart, write out a p45 for him Mr Moshiri and lets see how serious you are with a statement of intent for the next appointment.
37 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:58:05
I reckon we need to install a new manager and force our stars like Stones etc.. To stay another season, just to get their values back up. Playing as they have to the tune of this fools phenomenal football philosophy, I reckon their valuations have came down a good few million.
38 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:58:19
It may be that Kenwright will have to go too as he is the one who does not sack managers... so be it, the club had stagnated too long under Kenwright.
39 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:58:26
40 Posted 23/04/2016 at 21:58:33
41 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:01:02
Let's go out and get a manager with league titles on the CV. A pot of money and sound coaches will make us great again. Those players who want out, get your coat. Sell Lukaku, Stones and anyone else who wants to go. Give the manager £150 million. No Moyes or ex-Liverpool manager please.
Change must come!!!!
42 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:01:30
43 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:03:23
45 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:04:45
46 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:05:18
As a 'PROUD' four and a half decade Evertonian 'IN THIS MOMENT' I feel 'HURT'. No more am I along for the ride Roberto, I don't care what you have to say concerning the remaining games of the season, frankly I don't care, I won't be going the game, I won't be listening to the radio, I won't be watching Sky, match of the day.
I don't even care if we finish fourth from bottom as long as you're gone, if not today but at the final whistle after the Norwich game, there is no sense of pride left and this apathetic feeling is not going away.
47 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:07:24
48 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:08:16
49 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:10:46
"I'm the man for the job" is pretty much what every sacked manager says before the axe comes down.
I can see Moshiri not firing him for another week (worried about the backroom maybe, though we all agree that is the problem), but he will be daft not to have a new manager and entire backroom installed ASAP. That will be when I truly worry.
50 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:11:11
51 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:13:13
Whilst we all hoped for a turnaround in fortunes by getting at least one result this past week it has just been more of the same.
It was no surprise they didn't get anything out of the game today despite a better second half but as we all know they have been throwing away games late on all season.
There has to be a general clearing out as quite clearly some of this squad are no longer good enough. Baines is becoming a back number and one or two others who have had some purple patches this season must be seriously looked at as inconsistent and let go.
Everyone has their particular whipping boys but before anything starts they have to start at the top. The big names will probably want out anyway so that leaves the older players and the sick-note candidates.
The last decisions of RM should be to play some youngsters in the remaining games as the experienced players won't or can't seem to cut it anymore at least for this season.
52 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:17:14
Two semi-finals is awesome and the team showed great fight today.
We need to understand why they haven't recently.
53 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:17:46
If you can't see his great plan for our club, you are not worthy!!! His great plan!?!?, Championship football in two years time!!
Adios, Roberto, and the sooner the better.
54 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:18:07
55 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:18:12
Our league position in the last two seasons could have been better but last season we gave it a good go in the Europe League battering Wolfsburg twice who have only just missed out this year on a Champions League semi-final place.
This season we have been in two semi-finals and have missed out by a whisker in both. The league results have been frustrating especially against Bournemouth, West Ham and Chelsea away.
Martinez is building an exciting young team playing a style of football which I enjoy watching and which gives us a chance of winning silverware. It is still a work in progress but the guy deserves a break and another season at least.
56 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:18:34
For me, it's now all about Moshiri.
We know exactly what Martinez is all about and we know exactly what Kenwright is all about (anyone reading their brand of bollocks deserves high blood pressure).
What Moshiri's 'plan' is, is the only real unknown at the moment and consequently, the only thing that interests me right now.
57 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:22:35
You get the picture... If we are to avoid the BK version of Randy Lerner's letter to Villa fans at the end of our relegation season, we must act now. Can you mobilize all ToffeeWebers to use the last games of the season to mount eye-catching demonstrations at the game, on social media and whatever else it takes to be rid of him. Over to you, chaps.
58 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:24:47
Of managing a top football club. He just does not know how to defend, but more importantly, coach how to. On paper he has the best defence in country. Nuff said!
59 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:27:39
60 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:36:22
61 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:36:57
64 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:41:38
65 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:45:01
66 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:45:29
The club will be hoping we all pipe down now that those nasty two games are out of the way. Because as sure as night follows day, he will still be in charge come the summer, unless Moshiri asserts himself. If he doesn't do that, then brace yourselves for relegation, as we're well on our way to doing a Villa while Martinez is in place.
67 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:46:42
This week was a defining week in our season and just like the last 2 seasons he failed. It will do nobody any favors including him to keep him on the next 4 games, the axe needs to fall now, it's time for him to go.
69 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:49:50
Lukaku had a penalty saved, he missed countless other chances. He looked gutted. But he tried. Sometimes you have a poor game on the biggest stage, it's happened to Ronaldo, it's happened to many a pro.
And Stones, something finally clicked in him in the second half. Where has that been all season? But Barkley, I just don't know what to say about his performance today. He seems a complete shell of his former self, except on a much larger package. He needs a strict fitness regimen over the Summer because he appears to be at least 20 LBS over weight.
70 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:51:22
71 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:55:18
72 Posted 23/04/2016 at 22:56:40
You only have to look across the park to see what effect a change in manager can have. All Klopp has done is get the squad fit and with that they have belief. We look so flat it's frightening and if the cancer of the club Kenwright can't grasp that fact as an Evertonian, apparently, then he is on some sort of scam to defraud the club.
FFS the barcodes came back from 2 down to this fucking average Liverpool side and they are second from bottom. I can't see us beating one team in the top flight at the moment and we're going backwards rapidly.
It's a fucking disgrace and it needs to change and the support needs to do something about it. No more fucking apathy. No more accepting it will do. The money is there now even without Moshiri due to Sky TV. No team is ever too good to go down.
If anyone on here thinks Martinez and Kenwright are good enough for Everton Football Club, I want to hear it. We still aren't even safe... WHAT THE FUCK WILL IT TAKE???!!!
73 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:06:19
A win against Bournemouth, or Arsenal beating Norwich at teatime on the 30th.
Sad, sad times. I'm doing what Guy McEvoy did years ago and having a year (or two) downunder, so I'll be able to sleep through next season's matches.
74 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:08:04
Incredibly there are roughly 16 ToffeeWeb'ers that think he should stay - have they watched us play for the last two years?
75 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:08:51
The marking and tackling is very poor and they get caught in possession far too often. This could be down to the managers tactics or the players incompetence or both. Whatever, it's been a shambles for most of the season and Martinez has not been able to change anything.
Lukaku has been playing alone since Christmas and, apart from an extra hand from Lennon, the rest of his supporting cast (Deulofeu, Kone, Barkley and Mirallas) have been abysmal.
76 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:10:48
77 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:11:03
He's turned us into a 'cup team' that still hasn't come close to winning anything. Our league form over the past 2 seasons has been dreadful and if given another year, I honestly think we'll be close to relegation. I just hope Moshiri has seen enough in his short stint to think the same.
78 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:13:30
Where is his pride and dignity
79 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:16:32
80 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:17:42
If RM does not go soon I may up there as a voluntary patient!
81 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:18:35
82 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:19:35
I am looking for decisive action here. If the clown isn't sacked before the next match Moshiri is either using the time to get a replacement behind the scenes up to the end of the season, or he is taking some perverse pleasure in seeing a dead man walking, squirming on the touch line as he faces our wrath till the last match. Put Roberto and us out of our misery.
85 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:21:16
No nice guys, no glass ceilings, no lazy appointments, no middle-of-the-road safe hands. Someone who will challenge the comfort zones within EFC.
And, no, I can't name too many names (though I've had a couple of glasses tonight).
I'd never heard of Pochettino before Southampton employed him so there must be others out there. There is a club who have displayed far more ambition than EFC these past 5 years. They have overcome the vultures taking their star names and moved onwards and upwards relative to their recent past.
Is thinking big part of Moshiri's plan? Hopefully so and the search for a game-changer is already on.
Currently we are on the road to nowhere and have been for too long. Now might be a great opportunity for the start of something great.
21 trophy-less years and small time thinking (The Magnificent 7th dvd and 'what a manager!' type outbursts) have to end now.
86 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:30:07
A new successful foreign manager (there aren't any successful British managers)installed asap, ready to build the team and impose his philosophy for the new season.
If Martinez is still here on Tuesday then we really need to put the pressure on and make it very clear that we want him gone.
87 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:34:31
Why is he still here? There's no more Everton fir me until the club shows it deserves the loyal support of its followers by getting rid of this failure. If he remains into next season the only way we will be going is down to the championship. I won't stay around to see it. Thankyou Roberto Martinez for souring a 57 year passion for a wonderful football club, but the Everton you have created is like a Frankenstein's monster version of the Everton I've followed all those years.
As long as the evil one is allowed to remain in charge I will no longer be watching the club I love in its death throes. As I now live in enemy territory across the Pennines I will watch Grimsby Town until he's gone. At least there, you know what to expect and don't have a deluded sob telling you what you're supposed to have witnessed even though your eyes tell you something totally different.
Hopefully the club will do the right thing and get rid, if not, it's Blundell Park for me next season, followed by a look for Everton's result.
88 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:35:03
My fear all along is that Bill's pride will stop him admitting he was wrong with this appointment and he is still harking back to the Catalan's legacy season two years ago.
Moshiri was a 'non activist' investor at Arsenal and I fear he may be the same here. Things may have to get a lot worse before they get better. Perhaps he's never heard of Aston Villa !
89 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:40:57
90 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:42:39
91 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:45:55
If by midday Monday this man is still in charge then he must be a master hypnotist. He is single handedly making our Chairman look a right Idiot.
If he's not gone come Monday then I will start to doubt that the Moshiri era isn't going to be what I and others hoped for. The board need to be decisive. They need to show strong mentality by not accepting what's happened not just the last week but the last two years.
Put Martinez out of his misery and show the fans this club means business for once please.
#BACK HIM OR SACK HIM
92 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:48:42
93 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:53:03
What is Martinez' record like in the Premier League as manager of both us and Wigan.?
He has had ONE top half finish in SEVEN seasons..
I'm not really too sure how many other ambitious clubs would stick around too long with a man in charge boasting a record as mediocre...
If we mean business we need a winner in charge, a man who delivers a good game not just talks one..
94 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:54:25
95 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:58:12
96 Posted 23/04/2016 at 23:58:33
98 Posted 23/04/2016 at 00:02:05
Last season we went on a run between the end of October to the first week if March having registered just 4 league wins, a run which culminated in losing every festive game to Southampton, Newcastle, Stoke and Hull..
And a total embarrassment in Kiev which still rankles.
One home win, ONE home win yes, since November 20th...
And just four all season, and just the two clean sheets at Goodison.
Our great away form doesn't look so great when you break it down either..
How Martinez can have the front to suggest the fans can be pleased with some things is insulting the intelligence of paying fans.
99 Posted 23/04/2016 at 00:03:09
100 Posted 23/04/2016 at 00:15:55
Could someone tell me what players he has developed? Just look at McCarthy he's getting worse every season under him.
He's had more money to spend than any of our 4 previous managers yet he's still whining like a female dog... he should have a bit of class and do what Ronnie Delia has done at Celtic admit he can't improve the team and piss the fuck off!
101 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:16:43
102 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:16:58
He has spent a bloody fortune including 㿈mil for Rom, best part of 㾻mil for McCarthy and Niasse, what was it about ٤mil for Kone and best part of ٧mil for Mori, add the wasted cash for McGeady, the wasted wages for Alcaraz, the money spent on an underused Besic and the fact we paid Man City to sign Barry on a free bloody Transfer and ٢mil for Del. then there is loan fees, including for the 1 goal lesser seen Troare. Oh wages for Cleverley whose role at the club appears to be play anywhere do bigger all and how ever much Levy bled us for Aaron "will run all day" Lennon. Almost forgot Holgate, Rodriguez and other youngsters who hopefully will show a few gems in the future.
Not sure of the figures but I swear he spent more in 3 seasons than Moyes in double that, not as if he has sold much either aside from what Fellaini and Naismith?
Martinez has spent a fortune to take our club back over 10 years. Still, he as big a bottler as his predecessor when it comes to the business end of cups.
Lastly Baines missed one penalty, one, how many do the rest of the team have to fuck up until he is forgiven.
103 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:17:37
Whoever had the idea for the giant mural of him at the start of last season must think it was the worst idea they could ever have.
104 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:21:33
105 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:24:53
The wheels started coming off during the latter part of his first season in charge and they have never been put back on..
More and more of his weaknesses and flaws have been exposed over the last two years, the inability to start games on the front foot, the lack of fitness, the inability to keep clean sheets, the inability to stay in games and show resolve for more than 10-15 minutes (today another example)
The inability to learn our lessons (Bournemouth and Chelsea away).
Too much, too often..
Enough is enough.
106 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:30:51
Our results since coming back from the scalding desert state..
Manchester United = lost
Watford = drew
Crystal Palace = drew
Southampton = drew
Liverpool = lost
Manchester United = lost
Worked wonders that trip eh??
107 Posted 24/04/2016 at 00:35:01
Kristian @ 103, precisely my awakening. He drops McCarthy for no given reason, we lose 3-2. Less than 6 months later, we lose at home to them again 3-2. His extended holiday in Brazil when he should have been preparing his players, his continual use of a goalkeeper obviously way past his best, his ridiculous (lack of) tactics and the arrogant 90 min stance all alone with his back to the bench, all display a totally narcissistic moron. Anyone who says he's a nice guy needs to think again, he wants to be a dictator but he really is a clone of Comical Ali, Saddams ridiculously optimistic press agent.
The sooner he goes the better, but one website is reporting our new manager could be David Moyes! It's enough to put you off football.
108 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:00:59
Only Bungling Bill has fallen for it like a pensioner getting scammed by a rogue builder. Embarrassing. Kenwright should be well pissed off cos he's had his trousers pulled down in public twice in the last week.
I really despair at the state we are in. PLEASE Mr. Moshiri pull rank and sort this SHIT out.
109 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:08:25
If Walter Mitty hasn't gone by next Saturday V Bournemouth then why don't we protest by NOT going in? Seriously, who cares now? We are safe - just so even if we lose the following 4 games, it will be a relief from the motions we have to go through at every home game.
It's a dereliction of duty by the shadow baord to not take affirmative and decisive action.
110 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:08:50
His playing style boils down to this: Keep the ball but do nothing with it. When you give it away, make sure your defense is completely out of position to defend. If you somehow don't concede and win the ball back, always play out from the back so that you destroy any opportunity you have to counter-attack. If you concede, then wait 30 minutes until you decide to try to make your possession count so that you can look like you've tried even though 15 minutes isn't close to enough time to ensure a goal. For obvious reasons, it just doesn't work.
Having not fired him after the Derby debacle, I assume he'll stay on until season's end. Then he's got to go. If I understand correctly, Moshiri (or the Russian friend of his sitting on the board) just needs one of either Kenwright, Woods, or Elstone to vote with him, right? If Kenwright isn't willing to take the plunge with Moshiri, surely Woods or Elstone will, right? God I hope so.
I was listening to a podcast earlier today hosted by a Villa fan and two Liverpool fans, and completely agreed with what they said. At the beginning of the season, if you had compared Everton's squad and West Ham's (Payet being an unknown quantity at the time), you'd surely have expected us to finish above them. "They're squad is that of a top 7 side," one said. Another asked, "Then what's the problem?" "Martinez. He's the problem," the first responded, before listing off a series of facts about how bad Wigan's defense was under him and saying ours isn't much better given the difference in quality. They're completely right.
In 4 seasons at Wigan, they allowed 275 league goals. That's nearly 69 goals each season. In the last two seasons, we've allowed 98 league goals, and we'll probably end up with 5 or 6 more by season's end, putting us at over 50 per season. In comparison, in Moyes' last two seasons, we allowed 40 and 39. Then in Bobby's first, 39 went in, showing quite clearly that it was Moyes's leftovers, not Bobby's work, that was keeping the ball out of the net.
It's just infuriating and he must go on May 17th.
111 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:15:54
112 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:17:55
That may keep him in the job until that date at least, that though certainly doesn't stop us speaking to other managers.
He simply has to go.
113 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:29:13
I think my mind started changing on him when we were losing to I believe Southampton 3-0 last season and he never made a single substitution the whole game, the first time ever in the history of the Premier League except for Arsenal, who won their game. Add that to the fact that he let 3 Belgian gobshites go on International duty spouting off how they were too good for us and needed Champions League football, yes Fellaini, Lukaku and Mirallas all of whom aren't good enough for a top Premier League side, never mind the Champions League.
He also let these gobshites take over the decision making on who took free kicks and penalties, remember the KM debacle, undermined the best Premier League penalty taker in history in Leighton Baines, and so much more. He would probably make a good director of football but as a man-manager he's as weak as piss and needs to be removed immediately.
114 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:34:21
115 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:35:43
Please Bill and Roberto, leave the club. Don't even pack your bags, just go.
116 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:53:53
The board need to act or else we waste a load of money on signings and by October 16 we will be relegation candidates.
Get rid Monday and appoint Unsworth as caretaker to blood some youngsters before assessing who we can appoint full time in summer.
117 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:56:27
118 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:57:50
119 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:05:45
Why did he play Besic at right back? Why no striker on the bench today? Why did we only start to play once the penalty didn't go in? Why can't we see out injury time?
The man hasn't got a clue!
Has other have said, if he stays we are next seasons Aston Villa.
Finally every Everton supporter at Wembley was superb today!
120 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:18:49
Barkley is not fit, does not pick up a man and meanders back so slowly it does my head in. Had we put in a 93-minute shift with no passengers, the outcome could have been so different.
121 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:22:28
122 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:38:56
123 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:41:09
In fact he's been trying to push the team to move the ball quicker in recent games. Only to find the player he passes too is stood still looking backwards or sideways. Far from the epitome of a Martinez team, he's the rebel!
I thought Ross improved in the second half once he was getting the ball in dangerous positions. He was breaking into space and creating chances. He'll never be your Gerrard type but once he starts running he creates problems.
Del scares the shit out of teams. How can Roberto justify his lack of involvement since the days when he was leading the assist charts?
I won't excuse some of the lack of effort from players but the style really isn't helping them. We got a little glimpse of what we could be exciting, vibrant, pacy.
124 Posted 24/04/2016 at 02:52:51
I will not be surprised if when I do, nothing will have changed. Except a 100 or more posts mostly saying the same things that I have been reading over the last month.
And we say he is the crazy one, the signe of madness, you all know the rest of that little nugget.
Voice your concerns at Goodison, it's wasted on here, Kenwright OUT
125 Posted 24/04/2016 at 03:05:39
127 Posted 24/04/2016 at 03:39:01
Yesterday, it just wasn't to be. Be honest... who actually thought we would win?
I did, in the second half; I really did believe the player's came out as a team, did not listen to a word spoken by the man in the brown shoes...came out and played a type of game that suit's.
Wasn't it about 4 weeks that we all thought, we've just been turned over by a bad team.... "and we were" I really do believe that.
Hence the second half we did okay, we had that 10-minute spell where we had them rocking, two wide players on the bench, enough said.
I Really do have a love affair with everything Blue. In the words of Del Boy: "This time next year".
128 Posted 24/04/2016 at 03:39:39
129 Posted 24/04/2016 at 04:15:48
130 Posted 24/04/2016 at 04:18:41
Anyone remember his interview about Stallone? 'Mark my words, he'll be back before the year is out. He's an Evertonian'.... well that was 9 years ago and we're still waiting, just like we're waiting for the new ground and his manager's dream to come true. One of us, my arse!
131 Posted 24/04/2016 at 04:41:55
If he had of sacked Martinez and replaced him with Royle, Wednesday night. I might have cut him some slack. As it is he kept with his cup manager, his boy, at the expense of us all.
Martinez's comments reveal to me, they are birds of feather. Completely out of their depth, fantasists who rely on the gullibility of others to keep them in their position.
132 Posted 24/04/2016 at 04:52:13
I could not bear another season with that man in charge. Put us out of our misery now bill, and do not leave it till the summer.
We have suffered enough the past two seasons and if you are a true Evertonian, do the right thing.
133 Posted 24/04/2016 at 04:55:52
In the summer we will lose some of our best young talent; transfer requests will be getting handed out left, right and center! This time next year will be heading for the Championship, Wigan style.
134 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:00:38
'For God's sake, what will it take to get this limpet off our backs? By his own words this was to be a defining week for us. Well, it's over Martinez and how did we do, a total humiliation at Anfield and we turned up for one half os a semi final where we lost to yet another goal conceded in stoppage time, so there we are, two defining games, two more defeats, scored 1, conceded 6.'
Summed up perfectly, Brian. Martinez is forever moving the goalposts of success, but he simply cannot escape the facts that are now damning beyond any justification.
We are in a tailspin and RM has shown that he cannot correct it. There are no absolutely zero signs of progress - or even any understanding as to how progress might be achieved.
There is a great big cloud over our club at the moment and we need it shifting as fast as possible. Waiting till the season's end will only breed more discontent from fans and players who want to know where they stand.
135 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:04:04
The worry I have is if "Mister Nice Guy" Bill Kenwright, failed to put a buyout clause in Roberto's contract, and thus we would probably be on the hook for the remainder of his salary if he got fired. Dear God, I hope someone in our front office took notice at how Man U was able to jettison Moyes. Eerie feeling none of our ownership would have thought of that - too negative.
I do hope that he gets the axe, but I think Monday would be the earliest that will happen. Board members and staff travel back Saturday or Sunday morning, emergency meetings on Sunday concerning Roberto's future, then announcements made on Monday. Here's hoping.
136 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:10:53
137 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:22:11
Like you, Everton is in my blood, but with failing health and the constant failure of Kenwright and the board to rid us of the evil pestilence that is Roberto Martinez, I daren't put myself through any more stress and heartache until he's gone, however long it takes.
I just hope I'm still around to see a new era dawn at GP. If not, it was nice for 57 years... but then along came Roberto!
138 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:30:02
139 Posted 24/04/2016 at 06:47:35
140 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:19:50
And what's this about a new improved deal for Barkley? He was a disgrace yesterday. Boo him to!
141 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:21:18
Likewise if Stones had looked to pass a single ball forward, Barkley had tackled back or closed down the opposition rather doing his Pony trot run and Besic not been unable to just stay on the right side and chase down players then maybe the result would've gone our way.
In short the players have to bear some responsibility for this defeat. Having said that, however, it's clear that there are several areas:
i) Playing Besic at right-back when there were clearly 2 better options (ie, actual right backs) on the bench and one on the field (Lennon is a back-tracking / closing-down right-winger)
ii) Training a defence that could previously cope with corners, close down opposition and keep running around after 80 minutes to be able to do neither
iii) Encouraging the crappy tippy-tappy passing across the back which ensured Utd were under no pressure. Only when we went more direct and looked for the forward ball every time did we look to take the game by the throat.
iv) Making too late/random substitutions - Del on was the right move, but why wait EVERY GAME till 70 mins and why leave an out of position Besic, a pretty poor Barkley or puffing Gibson on and take off Lennon? And Mirallas at 90 minutes, what?
v) Having no striker on the bench admittedly I don't want Kone to ever start for the club, but the option of 2 upfront is at least worth having and what is the point of Niasse? A 㾹M can't get match fit in 3 months of training?
142 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:25:33
143 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:35:18
I can certainly see Lukaku going this summer plus Stones, plus some of the over 30 pluses Osman/Gibson/Pienaar. We need to get a new man in charge to oversee this as well as replace these players.
I live in the northeast of England, and if Martinez stays, I can see us heading in the same direction of Newcastle.
144 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:37:56
What seems to be getting overlooked is the timing. The Euro Chumps 2016 will see both managers and players unavailable or uncontactable for much of the summer. If we accept we need a new manager, at least 3-4 key players and a complete rethink of our playing systems then it is no use waiting till the end of the season. Too late!
Our new leader will probably be under contract so negotiations with the current club need to start today, compensation agreed and Roberto's 'good luck in your new job' card purchased.
Our new manager will then need to present his list of incoming targets so offers can be prepared, decisions made on existing players and backroom staff.
New playing systems, training methods and integrating key players will not happen overnight. We do not want to see 2017-18 written off as a 'getting to know you' season.
In summary Bill, ACT NOW!
145 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:52:52
We deserved extra time last night but in most ways, on reflection, it confirmed so many things.
Another last minute goal conceded. Baines not being allowed to take penalties, free kicks etc by his inferiors. No suitable cover at right back (Hibbert?). Only playing for one half. Tactical ineptness with Gibson, who can pass the ball playing too deep and giving two yard balls square or back. Wide open to the counter attack.
McCarthy was non existent, Barkley has the IQ of a duvet and is half a player. Lennon is a grafter as is Cleverley but in any team with top aspirations squad players at best.
I'm depressing myself now and probably need to go back to bed but I've got to go to Mass.
We really need a fresh start as a team and as a club. Messrs Kenwright and Martinez, time to go. Lukaku, Barkley, Mirallas, Stones, it's time to go.
Yesterday's people have no place in tomorrow's Everton.
146 Posted 24/04/2016 at 07:59:57
I've thought more than once that he's the spaniard we should have got to manage us. A proven winner who can actually achieve what Martinez deludedly believes he can give us.
147 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:01:19
We need a fundamental change in attitude which can only be brought about by even more changes at board level and of course at management level.
However, the players you mention, under the right structure and coaching , with the right mentality, can become top Premier League performers on a consistent basis.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
148 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:01:38
This inactivity is very worrying. Surely he will be gone by the end of the day?
149 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:21:30
150 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:23:03
As always with Kenwright's Everton, it seems that we will have delay and incoherence and bullshit. If he remains ill then I am sorry for him, but that is precisely why he should now quit his role and why he should not have remained when Moshiri came.
I am afraid he is a self-absorbed and damagingly arrogant man.
151 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:23:15
Getting rid of this Manager is fundamental at this moment in time.
Getting rid of our young talent at the same time is ridiculous and sets us back years. The second job Moshiri should have (first is to sack Martinez) is to reassure the new manager coming in that he has this pool of untested talent at his disposal.
When we are in the negotiating point of getting a new manager I'm certain that person will want a bundle of cash to spend, but also access to these same young players.
152 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:26:19
We need to appoint a manager who has the winning mentality, knows how to motivate and get the best out of his squad. Martinez is not up to this, and if he carries on, I can see us following the trend of Newcastle.
153 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:30:52
I know this is Martinez's third and (despite the cup runs) worst season, but BK gave Moyes permanently unwavering support and I very much doubt he will be any different with Martinez.... sadly.
154 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:36:50
155 Posted 24/04/2016 at 08:55:30
156 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:03:26
If you don't then we will have this same thread every week.
157 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:07:49
The guy's delusional, and Everton will deserve everything they get next season if he's left in charge.
Any club with ambition would have sacked him last season. No excuses now.
158 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:08:43
159 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:13:53
160 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:14:25
161 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:14:47
162 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:21:45
And still the manager comes out with his garbage. He might be the man for a job but not this one.
163 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:24:13
164 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:29:19
No doubt the first test for applicants will centre around how sympathetic they are to Bill's way of thinking. Many of the names 'in the hat' have worst Premier records than Roberto ! 'Young up and coming managers' may well be more malleable but who wants a guy from the lower reaches or, indeed, another with RELEGATION on his CV ?
So no Howe or Dyche will do. Moshiri must go for experience, quality and independence in HIS new man - the Kenwright era should be over !
165 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:31:33
If we can get someone better in (shouldn't be hard) then he should be moved on pronto. Make the position formally available and we'll soon get some names piping up.
At the end of the day if he was playing a blinder and we had miraculously qualified for champs league last season and this, and then Barca or R Madrid came in for him he'd be off like a shot.
Fuck "...I'm so attached to this club......" blah blah. Fucking wind bag.
Time for sentimentality is over Bill. Just bite the bullet.
166 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:32:58
He stuck by a mediocre manager for 11 years and then hired another mediocre manager.
Until he goes I fear for our club.
167 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:38:59
Looks like it will be down to us fans... We either protest loudly or accept our fate in the coming season.
168 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:49:50
He's a decent bloke but the new owner has to make a statement of intent tomorrow.
I reckon there'll be hundreds on the pitch at the next home game if the Board doesn't take action.
169 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:50:54
170 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:53:34
171 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:54:46
Last summer, in the knowledge that he wasn't going anywhere, I vowed to be positive and supportive for the season. My valiant efforts lasted until February. I have tried to stay positive for the sake of my boys. They're 10 and 8 and I brainwashed them from an early age to support Everton. We live in Surrey, their mates support Arsenal and Chelsea. I am a terrible Dad. I have inflicted pain and suffering that will only get worse. They cried their eyes out yesterday.
Roberto raised our hopes but has taken us to the depths of despair. His heart is in the right place. I believe he has been laying foundations for the future. But their will be no future in the premier league if he continues to be in charge.
Moshiri wasn't willing to accept Wenger being left in charge at Arsenal. I don't believe he will sit by and allow Roberto to spend his money. Whether Bill likes it or not, Roberto will be gone before next season.
172 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:55:48
173 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:57:10
Another thing that worries me are all the links to sub par managers in the media. Most pundits and sports reporters haven't got a clue.
174 Posted 24/04/2016 at 09:59:17
175 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:01:54
The footy side doesn't make good reading at all and we have notably this season capitulated more than any other Premier League team from winning positions; we've got the all-time worst home record and lost two semi-finals, both of which we self-contrived to throw away.
Ross is now snacking and carrying too much timber, Rom has lost belief and as attached as we all are, and have been all our lives, and not getting mega bucks pay as a manager the whole piece is now ready to be condemned to history.
Time for a fresh era in the summer. We will all end up in the funny farm and compulsive depressives if things don't change. I've nothing left in the tank, the club needs a "Lazurus" type rebirth. See what the Foxes have done and look what Herr Klopp is moulding. I'm hoping some thing real and properly planned will happen soon... Bob Hope and no hope!
176 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:09:21
Remember, this is Everton. We don't do sackings, we prefer to stumble along in the hope that things will sort themselves out. Bumbling Bill has probably gone into hiding in the hope that most Evertonians will have forgiven and forgotten this latest disaster in a few weeks time. Ride out the storm is Bill's motto.
Moshiri, if he wants a return on his investment, needs to get rid of BPB, ASAP, and root out every last trace of Kenwrightism and his dismal, mediocre mentality which pervades Goodison at every level.
If he really wants to succeed a new manager with an obsessive will to win is a must. A man who will clear out the shirkers, has-beens and hangers on. A man who will be ruthless in team selections, fitness levels and commitment. This rules out the likes of Pellegrini (too soft), Howe (too young), Mancini (too mental), OFM (too shite for words) etc..... There are only two managers who fit this criteria, IMO, and that is Diego Simeone and Ronald Koeman. It's up to you Moshi.
177 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:12:30
His record in the EPL is so awful, his win rate is a joke. Surely he can't be allowed to spout this rubbish.
There is absolutely no evidence that he will be a success in the future.
He plainly is not good enough and should be shown the door, we should take the necessary steps this week to get rid of him.
If we don't It will cause a huge and dangerous wave of apathy amongst our supporters.
Why should we still care ? If the owner obviously doesn't give a damn about how low we might sink.
179 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:30:12
The truth is that the pair's frustration centres on the control of the club exerted by the American tycoon Kronke who annually receives a stipend of some £3M for his services as a Board member.
I don't think for one minute that when Farhad did his deal with Bill and his mates, he thought, for one minute, that there was any crisis over the Everton manager's position and was, therefore, happy to concentrate on the commercial/stadia issues.
The tragedy (both for him and us) is that if he leaves it to Bill much longer, the whole structure will go down the pan. Quickly.
180 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:37:45
This latest appointment is the polar opposite. Starting with DM's foundation which afforded him a half decent first season we are heading back to the edge of that precipice and if BK cannot see that, or simply refuses to face up to it, then illness and age are affecting him badly.
I wish no harm on the guy - I actually like BK and am saddened by many of the vitriolic postings he is the subject of, but I AM a realist and it's fairly common knowledge that he has been (and looks) quite unwell. For his sake if he is going to depart this mortal coil sometime in the non too distant (that could be a couple of years or more) I sincerely hope it is with an upward looking Everton and not with an Everton looking at trying to regain premiership status.
It may go against all his better and humanist instincts but for the good of our club and for his own eventual betterment of mind I wish he would do the deed sooner rather than later. RM will eventually land on his feet and in the short term his financial position will help his suffered pride and you never know - we may all be proved wrong. But right now Goodison Park is not the place for him.
181 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:44:07
182 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:45:04
I think Koeman would be a great choice,Simeone would turn his nose up at us.Laudrup was great for Southampton,maybe another option?
As long as RM is removed ASAP please,please for my sanity.
Also can't wait to see the back of the ungrateful and disrespectful Lukaku.
183 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:48:06
I thought Stones was our best player yesterday, and would hate to see him go. At half-time we needed a change, but it was not to be. The game at one point was there for the taking, but managerial decisions cost us, why was Mirallas not on earlier?
I've been watching Everton for over 50 years now and I've sort of got used to this perpetual disappointment. Changes are needed at the top, that's for sure, but we must keep the young players at all cost.
One last note, does anyone else think that Barkley looks overweight?
184 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:49:58
So on this basis we ask one thing share the plan with us. Explain how you are going to make things better, show us that you see the same things we do which is complete disorganisation, lack of a cunning Plan A or B, lack of effort from our big players, no defensive steeliness, no putting fear into other teams, no pride and understanding what it means to wear the jersey the list goes on...
If Martinez can speak simply to all the fans and explain how he is going to deliver this as per his big chat when he got the job then, us as rational but passionate fans will listen and make a fair judgement. But as it stands he is giving us no reason to back him... in the word so Jerry Maguire, Roberto, "Help us help you...".
Or he has not spoken to the board because he doesn't have a plan and the board have not pressed him for one. How do you run a multimillion pound international company with a history as ours without a plan? I am hoping Mr Moshiri has asked for a plan. My worry is who has he asked to write it.
As for Roberto, he inherited a team that was defensively well organised, was very hard to beat, had fight, effort and as fans we had a grown to believe in. Over three years, his influence has grown and these traits have diminished. That is why his first season was always going to be his best. Adding an attacking mindset to a group of players that were defensively sound was the perfect combination.
The second half yesterday gave a glimpse of what we could have been Manchester United were there for the taking. We had energy, John Stones found his mojo and we put pressure on the Man Utd defence we had a chance.
One footnote to that is I cannot believe Ross Barkley's unwillingness to chase back harass, give opponents a hard time, use his size to pressure. I saw him do this once in the first half against Rooney when he looked like he got his mad up. Is this coached or is this him? He has all the talent in the world but this side of his game makes him look less of a player. Not our Diamond!!
The new manager does need to be a big name, proven track record as this is where we are now at as a club (performances and stadium aside) and I hope the silence from the board is a measured one as when they speak/act they need to be incisive and impressive.
By the time we move to Croxteth we need to be in the Champions League!
185 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:50:32
They were there for the taking yesterday, when our players decided to have a go, we made a game of it, which makes the first half even more frustrating!
Although vehemently against it, I can understand why he was in charge yesterday, but enough is enough he has to go, along with Jones and his backroom staff.
Far too many season ticket holders I spoke to yesterday haven't renewed, because we're all sick and tired.
I cannot fathom how this could be the case, but If he is still in post on Saturday, there needs to be an organised walk out during the game. Because love or them or loathe them the Kopites walk out over their ticket pricing got the message across very directly to their board.
186 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:55:09
187 Posted 24/04/2016 at 10:56:14
OK, Roberto, you've convinced me. It was obvious all along.
188 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:03:08
I am incredibly calm and reasonable by nature but I get the feeling that Martinez and Kenwright almost want us to tar and feather them out of the club.
189 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:05:20
190 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:17:56
Foreign managers, just like foreign players are just mercenaries. They have no affiliation whatsoever towards the club. Players come and go, managers come and go, usually with a big pay off. When Martinez is sacked he will no doubt walk away with about £3M or £4M in his pocket.
Don't see the point in paying him a further £60K per week until the end of the season, or whenever he finally gets the boot. Do it TODAY, NOW, and put a temporary manager in charge. Don't care who. In the meantime, start searching and interviewing potential new managers and then give them the job on May 16th.
The new manager will then have all summer to sign new players, get rid of deadwoood and plan a very strong fitness programme for pre season training.
Bobby can then do what he does best, talk utter bollocks as a panel expert, (Hahahahahahah, can't believe I've said expert) for Euro 16.
191 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:20:37
Another 'bright young thing' totally out of his depth in the Prem , he will probably beat us at Goodison on Saturday and then be made Kenwright's new blood brother as our next (what a )manager !
192 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:38:13
193 Posted 24/04/2016 at 11:39:38
It's horrible to be sacked (I know) because it means either you are past you best, not wanted, not good enough, or undermined from above (or below).
So both last season (in February) and this week it took a lot for me to press the "sack him button". When all is said and done he is just a man like the rest of us. But he is very highly paid and in a results driven entertainment business. He hasn't delivered the results and the customers aren't happy with the performances.
Sprooking the "numbers" ( value of squad etc) is the GM's prerogative and won't cut the mustard for the coach. The coach stands or falls by the results on the pitch - that goes with the "patch".
I believe we have been relegation fodder for large parts of both last season and this season. If that is the case it represents a threat to the very existence of Everton Football Club as we know it.
Anyone who loves the club cannot stand by and watch that happen without doing what they can about it and that is why I pressed the button.
Furthermore, when men like Lyndon and fans of 40, 50, and 60 years, say enough is enough, then the Everton hierarchy should listen. Not to do is to court disaster.
As I see it there are only three ways our present manager can part company with the club.
1. Roberto approaches the chairman to discuss an exit package.
2. Mr Moshiri reads RM's tea leaves to the chairman.
3. The fans take direct action and get the attention of the media.
A deal is a a deal and the chairman did a deal with the manager when he extended his contract. For that reason I would prefer to see option 1 play out for the sake of all concerned.
194 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:01:17
The Board must address the most urgent matter facing our great club and that's how to get us back among the top performers in the Prem and actually look like we are contenders for silverware. It's evident that Martinez isn't the man to do this. He and his backroom staff lack tactical acumen and in particular defensive nouse. We have probably the best squad since the halcyon days of the mid-80s and find ourselves finishing in disarray and mid-table at best. Two semis in a season isn't bad on the face of it but since the quarter-final win we've been a shambles.
I've been speaking from a football perspective so far but we'd be fools to think that's how the Board will be thinking. Yes, Bill says he's a fan at heart and Moshiri "gets it" but his dealings over the ownership show he is more than aware of the financials of running a club.
The stark fact is that the decision to, God forbid, keep Martinez will depend on their assessment of the financial damage this will do. Every place in the Premier League is a wad of cash we need, every un-renewed season ticket sale is income gone west. Cold hard cash is what drives football these days and we'd be deluded if we thought otherwise. That's why he'll be gone as soon as they consider it doesn't cast them in a harsh light. Martinez will get to the end of the season and then will be shown the door with some grace and a kind pat on the back. Adios, Roberto.
195 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:04:37
What he is, is an average manager so if we want a change then it's simple if you want him out, do not take your seat for the game v Bournemouth to make your point.
Simple, let's act in a combined respectful way en masse and ditch the disgusting abuse that separates our club from the way all the rest act.
196 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:15:56
197 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:33:48
Believe me, guys, we are stuck with Bobby Brown Shoes. A message to Billy Bullshit: as Bobby is such a nice chap, have him as your mate but please do not inflict him on our beloved Everton as he is delusional and not capable of the job.
198 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:35:45
No one likes to admit a mistake or error of judgement and as they say - it is a hell of a lot easier to hire than fire - but his ego must be pretty dented by now. Does he not understand that to cut his losses now would regain some credibility. He's got a brain for Christ's sake.
199 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:49:19
200 Posted 24/04/2016 at 12:59:43
Martinez actually believes he's the man for the job and he also believes we've progressed under him. Martinez is that stubborn he hasn't changed tactics when all around saw the need for such a change.
There is NO way that he'll admit defeat and offer to resign. He's too convinced in his own invincibility to do that. He also knows that if he did that he'd lessen his chances of getting another job even more so than if he was just fired.
He HAS to be fired, and he has to be fired on Monday morning so the search for a replacement can begin. Let's be honest his firing is hardly going to adversely affect the results, or the players attitudes is it?
Put Unsworth and Sheedy in charge for the few remaining games, which will give players the chance to see how things can be different, when someone from this planet is calling the shots, and then hire a manager at the top of, or close to the top of the pile.
Forget the up-and-coming Howe, the been-there-before Moyes... go for a well respected, and feared somewhat (by the players at least) manger who can build quickly, and for the future.
Monday morning SHOULD be the start of the recovery from years of mismanagement, lethargy... and fucking pain!!!
201 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:01:14
202 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:09:06
He's the sort who would think the lad who asked is a scumbag with no class and no idea how the finer class behave. He'd have said what he said (if indeed it happened) as a smack in the face to the cheeky little oik who had the audacity to behave in such a way and approach him in the first place.
For all his references to the boys pen, and all that malarkey, Bill Kenwright mixes with, and is friends with, minor royals, landed gentry, billionaires, and as such would view that lads approach (if it happened) as the action of somebody who should not be allowed within a mile of the likes of himself.
Bill lives in a different world, inhabited by totally different people, with totally different (and skewed) views of the world.
They look after "their own" and wouldn't dream of putting one of "their own" down in front of one of the lower classes.
203 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:14:59
204 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:15:16
205 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:16:28
206 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:16:33
207 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:21:03
208 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:25:43
209 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:26:55
As for the nicest man I could expect to meet... fine... but I want a right fucking bastard if needs be to fight like fuck for this club and not just a Mr Popularity.
210 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:28:13
If not, why not try a cheeky bid for Wenger. He must be going stale at the Arse. It's time for Everton to think big.
211 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:29:27
And now they have Eddie Howe as the number one target. He isn't the winner we need. I'm so broken as an Everton supporter right now. Just fed up.
212 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:30:56
213 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:32:41
The second half was an improvement but not enough quality or composure in the final third to take advantage of the chances created.
After the sucker punch second Utd goal he brings on Mirallas for the last minute of injury time, Mirallas should have been brought on at least 10 minutes earlier when Utd were there for the taking but Martinez as ever couldn't see it or just plain bottled it.
He has to go and if the board are not prepared to make that decision voluntarily then we the fans need to force the issue, fuck this apathetic stance that this is not the 'Everton way' if you truly love the club 'stand up' and make your voices and feelings heard and seen.
If Martinez is not gone by the next home game then this means banners and a pitch invasion at full time for the next game then so be it otherwise these fuckers on the board and that incompetent charlatan of a manger will take this great club of ours down to the Championship!
215 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:34:43
The strength of feeling about Bobby means nothing if confined to posting on TW and media sites. Needs to translate to action or BK isn't going to see it. As unseemly as it may appear and not the "Everton Way", the next and final two home games are the place to make the point.
216 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:39:35
217 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:41:17
If I owned 49.9% of any company I would not bow down to any minority shareholder, irrespective of his Boys Pen credentials.
Did Moshiri become a billionaire by taking advice from the likes of Bill Kenwright? I seriously doubt it. Let us watch.
218 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:45:40
From where I was sat behind the goal, Martinez was nowhere to be seen yet he preaches about 'for the fans' in his post- or pre-match drivel yet shows the fans no respect after the final whistle. What a cunt! It was the same at Anfield which just goes to show how much disdain the twat has for the supporters.
He may think he can act this way without any kind of retribution from the fans but I think he'll be getting a rude awakening very shortly.
219 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:51:52
220 Posted 24/04/2016 at 13:58:19
Every manager in the premier league knows exactly how to set up against Martinez, and he has no plan b. We're sitting ducks.
221 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:16:43
And so on. Never changes. We must be dream opponents.
222 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:17:03
Obviously the Chelsea Quarterfinal was fantastic but I believe it was really just Rom with a chip on his shoulder and a bit of fire in the belly. Arsenal was as bad as I've seen, and Man Utd in the League, Watford and Palace were just soporific.
The social contract in football has changed: as players have become exponentially richer, so they have become more and more disconnected from the fans. Gone are the days of Labone and West. They're all just fucken mercenaries these days. Ditto the owners and managers.
The only ones who give a shit are us, the fans. That's why I've stopped watching and just follow the Blues on here now. Reading about it is much less painful than watching. Sharing the pain with the other Bluenoses here is cathartic and healthy, certainly better than throwing yet another phone at a wall in sheer anger and frustration.
It's Everton I love and Bluenoses I respect. Kenwright, Martinez and Lukaku can all fucken do one as far as I'm concerned. We were here before them, we'll be here after them.
Madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Watching Bobby's and Billy's 2016 Everton is madness. Martinez Out. Kenwright Out.
223 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:19:06
224 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:19:13
Interesting that in the last few days Martinez has delivered two press conferences with statements which would have been bang on the money at the end of his first season. Finishing fifth, I would have taken his 'trying to win things rather than finish in the top seven' mantra at face value.
Similarly, the 'investment' argument would have held up then as well. The club gave him £32m for Fellaini and Anichebe, which by then hadn't been spent. He'd stated we needed 'seven players', which most of us agreed with, but I think he tried to bounce Bill into splashing the cash and Bill rebuffed him, until we bought Lukaku. That meant we were short on quality for his second season and it showed, with the momentum grinding to a halt. Not helped of course, by his dreadful fitness and game management.
For me, with hindsight, that was it with Martinez. I think he started losing the players with his seven new players remark, then by damaging their fitness levels. In the absence of new players, he then abandoned his promising, balanced Plan A and replaced it with his let's play everyone out of position and leave Rom on his own formation. Oh, and he's spent plenty of money, often on players that 'will be good in time'.
The rest is history. In the light of his last two mid-table seasons with dreadful football and stagnating talent, his last two pressers have been an embarrassing sequence of nonsense, in which the last two years have been airbrushed out of sight.
He could gracefully resign and wish ruefully that things might have been different if Moshiri had appeared two years ago, but he's hanging on, desperately recalling his first season and publically urging the club to back him or sack him, without jeopardising any compensation.
If the club wants to back him, they need to do so quickly. I hope they are working behind the scenes to replace him with someone proven, rather than any one Blue with a pulse. If we really have significant money now, surely compensation for sacking Martinez and paying a new, better manager is possible?
I can't believe they think he can turn this around. Let's stop the circus and do it quickly.
225 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:19:18
226 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:24:00
If the players after the display at Anfield on Wednesday had the courage to acknowledge the supporters following a performance like they delivered, that shows the respect that the players have for the supporters but Martinez is somehow immune to having to show respect.
If he had a pair, he would have come across to thank the supporters but he doesn't have the balls to face the music so why should he be let off scot-free? Fuck him and any sympathy anyone wants to show him, his contempt for the supporters should and will not be tolerated.
227 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:25:01
Man Utd were there to be taken but, as per usual, we lost what we should have won.
228 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:31:24
229 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:31:25
In fact, I'd go as far to say he hates the fans, the way he treats us with contempt. Let's be fair here, any other manager would have been removed on the home record alone... but no, not on Bill's watch.
Well, keep him at your peril, you stubborn old bastard, because the Wiganisation is almost complete. Breaking news â€“ we are stuck with him.
230 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:33:11
An empty Goodison for the Bournemouth game would send a message.
231 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:38:41
To me we are the same as every other supporter, we want the best for our team and our club. We cannot go on dwelling on distant past history, we need to be making new positive memories for our young supporters not the ones served up by this current manager.
Until the home support take a solid stance, we will be stuck with this joker.
232 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:40:07
I suspect if he'd gone to the fans, there'd have been plenty on here criticising him for his brass neck - and I'd have agreed with them.
I think he called that one right. Now let's wait for the right call from the club.
233 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:46:56
234 Posted 24/04/2016 at 14:48:07
They should ask why he lost so many games and go through them i.e. WHU and WBA. Why buy a player for so much and not use him?
Then I think they will ask him does he consequently need any new players and who and why? Then they will want to know game by game where where he thinks Everton will be at Christmas if we buy those players.
If he says he cannot predict us beating WBA or Watford then they will show him the door but he will not say that. So if by Christmas we are not standing at 38+ points in the top 8 then he will be gone by mutual consent.
235 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:00:48
The only way Eddie Howe would work is tied to the appointment of a footballing wise director of football. I am not talking about an old Evertonian, I am talking about Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Bielsa people with a wealth of experience. Not keen on this set up though.
236 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:10:00
We can't assume (we don't assume!) that Bill or anybody else on the board has a clue. Does anything qualify Moshiri to make a judgement? I doubt it. So who would / should he take advice from?
237 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:14:28
1-What did Elstone and BK negotiate as far as termination rights are concerned? Does the club have to pay up his contract in full? If yes, as many have noted, it becomes an expensive decision. However the cost of getting rid of him has to be weighed against the cost of not getting rid of him. Falling attendances, less prize money, lower player valuations etc.
2- Were any performance related clauses included? League position, points per game, time frames for silverware etc?
3- Who does Martinez report to? The board, Elstone, BK?
4- What does the Shareholder Agreement between BK and Moshiri say on the subject of governance, especially the hiring and firing of the Manager? Does it need a simpele board majority, does BK have veto rights?
Your scenario would be realistic if
Under 1- cutting him loose is outweighed by financial losses by him staying;
Under 2- the answer is yes
Under 3- the Board
Under 4- Simple majority with no veto rights.
In any scenario where BK's say prevails, it is a complete guess how much more time the Hansard of Hogwash, aka the Purveyor of Piffle aka Roberto Martinez is given.
238 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:18:54
239 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:28:11
240 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:32:26
241 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:43:32
If some imbecile chairman comes calling in the Premier League and expresses a desire for you to take over, I am pretty sure your attachment to Everton will collapse. Not that that could ever happen, of course... Nobody is that stupid! Oh, wait...
242 Posted 24/04/2016 at 15:45:40
BK may look like a sentimental bloke but, in his heart of hearts, he surely must realise we're not going anywhere with RM. Plus, he might still be chairman, but Moshiri certainly didn't buy up a 49.9% stake to let somebody else make the big decisions for him.
243 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:00:30
Ummm... Ya we are because it's not good enough and that's exactly why I should have woke up to "Martinez Sacked" headlines.
When is someone on this board going to stand up and make a bold decision?
244 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:04:31
Personally, I (like many) think he should go but I tend to agree with whoever said Kenwright will be making the decision as Moshiri won't want to rock the boat too early into his relationship with the club. As far as I'm concerned, the boat's sinking but, hey ho, I'm only a supporter what do I know?
Does anyone know who the frontrunners are if RM does go, not the ones we wish for but who is being touted strongly for the job?
245 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:10:37
246 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:16:35
So in the same breath you asking who are the frontrunners if he DOES go is ... a wee bit inconsistent, ne pas?
247 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:22:31
That should calm us, the angry masses, and allow the useless Board to prevaricate until the end of the season. If, by any chance, we get top half then Bobby is all ours for another season!
Read it in my tea cup!
248 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:26:58
Meanwhile, Leicester 1-0 Swansea. Fairy tale still on
249 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:29:17
250 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:39:39
The only thing that this board are worried about is money, and as long as the money keeps coming in they will not make any changes.
If supporters are going to go to the next game then they will have to really make their feelings known, preferably by informing the media that there will be a mass walk out at the next couple of home games at a certain time to show their displeasure at the manager.
251 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:41:56
252 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:51:50
Plus style of play and he would know what's it's like working with the academy etc, so you would think he would look to bring the young players that are good enough through! Surely no-one wants Moyes back... or even Eddie Howe!!!
253 Posted 24/04/2016 at 16:54:34
254 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:04:19
255 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:05:01
Despise Martinez more and more with each passing day he is still in a job, please run him out of town so we can all get back to being behind the team we all love so much. Give us our Everton back!
256 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:11:14
257 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:14:36
258 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:20:54
259 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:21:08
If enough fans do it, surely they'll take note.
260 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:29:34
He will be sacked this week.
Not today though.
Walter smith was the last Everton manager sacked. Funny, however, that when I checked back on the news report from that sacking that he was defined as a "close friend of kenwright".
261 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:29:52
Surely most of us can spare ten minutes to write an email then copy and paste it to new emails to each of them, maybe another ten minutes work. That's less than thirty minutes each that could have a major positive effect on the future of our club.
262 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:44:14
I see Palace are beating Watford in the other Semi to set up a repeat of the 1990 final. Back then an under pressure Utd manager fielding a couple of young guns in his team won the cup to save himself from the sack. The comparison with Van Gaal is eerie.
Later that summer, the Blues sacked Colin Harvey, by all accounts a nice bloke, but who had overseen a decline in league performances sprinkled with a cup run, and replaced him with his predecessor. If the rumours of Moyes re-appointment in the summer are true, it will represent quite a set of historical co-incidences.
263 Posted 24/04/2016 at 17:57:49
If he has not gone by Saturday the protests must be long loud and latitudinous ( needed third L)
264 Posted 24/04/2016 at 18:18:27
A totally different mind set and attitude would have been in that team, I'm sure Martinez still being the manager cost us that game.
265 Posted 24/04/2016 at 18:22:16
the third home game I've missed this season.
Won't be going to the Norwich match if Martinez is still in charge.
266 Posted 24/04/2016 at 18:26:25
"Roberto, Roberto, wherefore art thou Roberto?
"To thine own self be true. Thou loseth too readily, thou doth not speaketh verily and thou doth protest too much, methinks.
"That it should come to this! Parting is such sweet sorrow, we have seen better days.
"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. But thou art just a tosser so farewell and exit left!"
267 Posted 24/04/2016 at 18:32:44
269 Posted 24/04/2016 at 19:56:49
270 Posted 24/04/2016 at 20:05:37
271 Posted 24/04/2016 at 20:06:11
272 Posted 24/04/2016 at 20:17:00
273 Posted 24/04/2016 at 20:28:29
Our greater loyalty is to the future of the club which demands the removal of the manager. Simple really, but we must all act in a unified way.
If we as fans don't act to save Everton as a Premier League team â€“ and I think it's that serious â€“ then we are full of shit.
274 Posted 24/04/2016 at 20:41:06
But one thing is certain, we will all still support our club no matter what.
275 Posted 24/04/2016 at 21:01:18
Rather than boycott, I'd like to see mass protests across the stands at Goodison both before, during and after the game. We should not lie down and take anything less than the dismissal of this fraud.
277 Posted 24/04/2016 at 21:41:46
See how quickly Bill's heartfelt loyalty to Martinez evaporates if he sees his money under threat.
I hope the rumours of Martinez's sacking are true. If they are, it will be purely for financial reasons. Everton's soul doesn't live in the Boardroom.
278 Posted 24/04/2016 at 21:57:54
279 Posted 24/04/2016 at 21:57:55
280 Posted 24/04/2016 at 22:07:42
281 Posted 24/04/2016 at 23:07:18
When you look across the park and see how much they spent on players we have been quite frugal in comparison, having to sell to buy. Even Lukaku is being paid for on the drip.
We all knew we needed a keeper and a commanding central defender. We also know that Ross Barkley cannot do the midfield job we want... well, just not at the moment.
We saw on Saturday that we don't need Barry when we have Gibson. I can see that we have been limited by funds. As a manager you take these things into consideration and play to your strengths.
If it was player power on Saturday, then Martinez has no future.
282 Posted 24/04/2016 at 23:08:21
Martinez is not good enough. Other managers have done better at other clubs and been sacked. Why are we questioning Martinez going?
Clive (#267) spot on. This isn't about doing the right thing by Everton Football Club. This is about being wrong on appointing Roberto in the first place.
Our new investor wants progress. For the first time, we have serious money to put into the team and ground. Let the man take us forward !
283 Posted 24/04/2016 at 23:12:41
Kenwright should get into gear and do the right thing by the club and supporters... it would be even better if Kenwright departed also he has been holding the club back for years. The next few weeks will be very interesting.
The really good players we have are being ruined by Bobby Brown Shoes, they will be much better off and fitter when he has gone. Let's hope it is very soon...
284 Posted 24/04/2016 at 01:13:36
285 Posted 25/04/2016 at 02:07:18
Judging by the lack of effort in that first half Martinez was not even able to motivate them.
That to me says that there is a negative mood in the squad as a whole.
As I and others suspected, not sacking Martinez before the semi final has cost us the FA cup.
After the pitiful showing against the reds he has to be sacked, there is no other alternative.
286 Posted 25/04/2016 at 02:41:22
He's bought players who can't perform and I'm not talking about Niasse just yet. Playing a system which has many flaws especially in defense as a team. What bollocks, RM?
287 Posted 25/04/2016 at 03:53:20
288 Posted 25/04/2016 at 06:52:46
Zidane talking about Bale.
289 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:22:48
I am still confident that these bets will pay-off and I shall certainly lump on some more about us winning by a margin this Saturday. Bournemouth really are Wigan of the South Coast !
Of course, if my vision is realised, it has a distinct downside in that I believe a halfway spot in the Premier allied to his relatively successful cup(s) campaign will be just enough to give Roberto another season.
So what a dilemma! Perhaps I should just stop gambling on Everton's results (I never bet on them to lose!) and get myself into full throttle for the 'Martinez Out' campaign. Any advice welcomed.
290 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:22:25
Get him out now... Lots of banners etc on Saturday might start something.....keep fingers crossed etc.... Martinez OUT NOW.
291 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:30:58
"Sometimes it does not matter if the chance is missed, you have to give credit to the goalkeeper"...
"The missed penalty was not a worry either" he says.
GET HIM OUT... he is round the bend... we can soon get another nutcase to see the season out.
292 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:20:22
I stand corrected. It seems my ambition is being equal on points to fucking Watford. Good to have that cleared up then!
293 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:12:05
294 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:12:24
You are right in what you say. However, if you don't play the Martinez way, you don't play.
So if selected, do you follow the manager's instructions, or sit on the bench because you dared to question the fool, or even more so, speak out against him.
Did Leighton actually apologise for his comments, or was it part of Martinez's fantasy world?
I didn't see Mirallas demonstration for the ludicrous substitution with less than a minute left. I recorded the match, but deleted it without watching it.
What did Mirallas do?
296 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:56:23
297 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:07:38
Put a few quid on Riquelme coming to Goodison. There seems to be more chance of that than of RM getting the heave-ho in the next few days.
298 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:15:17
It is being reported that BK's buddy Philip Green is to be investigated over the BHS fiasco which he sold for a quid.
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