Outclassed Blues lucky to draw

by | 16/04/2016  178 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton 1 - 1 Southampton

James McCarthy is suspended after picking up two bookings in the draw at Palace in midweek
Everton's preparations for the FA Cup semi-final come down to two more Premier League games in the space of four days as Southampton make the trip north to Merseyside looking to build on their recent good form.

Roberto Martinez made a raft of changes, six in all, with Gibson and Osman both fit to start in midfield and Kone leading the line. Callum Connolly and Tom Davies are the Academy graduates on the bench beside Barkley and Lukaku with Jagielka injured and McCarthy suspended.

Everton started off in the bright sunshine in pass-the-parcel style until captain Osman took the initiative and drove a good move forward on the left, jinking through and crossing low, very inviting, but as usual not a single Blue shirt there to convert.

Everton won a free-kick on the right that seemed to be bread and butter for Forster but he fumbled it and the defenders had to clear in desperation.

Martina scooped over a high cross for the visitors that Robles had to push over his bar for a corner that thankfully posed no threat. Long got clear but was called marginally offside.

Poor backward play drew groans, and a poorer pass by Funes Mori gave the ball away, and put them under needless pressure, Wanyama firing a daisy cutter that Robles had well in hand.

Everton were struggling to play out from the back as the visitors sensed a chance to press them high up the field, but Kone did finally see the ball and Deulofeu picked out Mirallas with a cross that the Belgian volleyed superbly on goal, but straight at the body of Fonte.

Southampton broke well after Van Dijk defeated Coleman and they had three chances to score, Tadic volleying the last one over. Long then got behind the Blue back line but lashing it over Robles and his goal.

Funes Mori finally scooped one up for Kone to head down nicely into Mirallas's path but a defender stole it before his second touch. Oviedo turned his ankle keeping a ball in which allowed Soton to surge forward and Tadicfired in on Robles.

Oviedo got treatment when Fonte was down, winded by Kone, the game restarting with a free-kick that Southampton worked around until Oviedo won the ball and Mirallas almost beat Fonte but for a sneaky pull-back.

Gibson broke up play well and set Deulofeu on his way but a poor touch played the ball straight to a visitor and Everton were under pressure again.

Funes Mori played out of defence beautifully and fed Mirallas, who ran on through the middle and took a shot, that was deflected for a corner. However, Pawson stopped the game so that Fonte could get attention for a head injury, eventually going off with Yashida coming on for him.

Kone tried a wonderfully acrobatic bicycle kick that failed completely to make any contact with the ball.At the other end, Mane fired just wide of the near post.

Funes Mori, again played a very risky ball in mdfied and Gibson had to scythe Long down, and was lucky to only see yellow. A fantastic free-kick by Bertrand almost crept in at the angle but Robles was across to help it go behind. From the short corner, Everton looked to break through Deulofeu but he was too easily thwarted.

Another Southampton attack and the defensive interception by Stones was world class to prevent Pelle from converting at short range. From the corner, well worked and flicked onto the Everton post by Long, another scare for the Blues who had lived very dangerously, giving away another corner in added time. But the visitors overcooked it before they won yet another corner off a deflected strike. Van Dijk amazingly missed yet another chance to fire the visitors ahead with the last kick of the half, the ball lashed over the Gwladys Street goal. Everton very, very lucky not to be 2 or 3 goals in arrears.

The Blues restarted things and attacked down the right but Deulofeu's cross bounced behind off the heels of Coleman. At the other end, Coleman did well to defend a Mane header but Besic gave a way a silly free-kick near the corner flag that was curled into teh hands of Robles.

Southampton threatened again, Tadic jinking and dodging before lashing a great shot onto the Everton bar, thanks to a glance off the head of Gibson. Deulofeu broke but his pass was never going to reach Kone.

More Southampton pressure, another corner, gien away by Coleman, who overstrecthed, Callum Connolly coming on for his Everton debut, heading the corner away to a great cheer from teh Goodison crowd delighted at last to see some new blood on the field.

Yet another Soton corner saw Kone isolated in his own are, trying toshield the ball from three red-&-white shirts. The pathetic state of Everton's prowess was demonstrated when Funes Mori got forward but at a lame pace and there was no sense of urgency in the Blues play as the ball rolled harmlessly off Mirallas for a Southampton goalkick in a rare visit to the other end of the field.

At least that presaged a spell of what might be described as 'end-to-end' football, leading to Osman getting fouled by Pelle for a dangerous free-kick, Mirallas the man to curl it harmlessly straight into the arms of Forster.

Martinez decided to replace Deulofeu, who had done remarkably little, with Ross Barkley. Davis replaced Pelle. But Southampton continued to exert pressure, Barkley denied the chance to play out of the back and another Southampton corner given up., gathered well at the near post by Robles.

Connoly took a good throw-in that led to a corner and the second bite of teh cherry from Funes Mori drove through the crowd and past Forster to give Everton a welcome but hardly deserved lead, thanks to a lazy attempt to deflect the ball by Bertrand.

The Southampton pressure finally paid off as Everton failed to clear, a poor touch by Funes Mori and Tadic finally poked one home. They almost scored a second, as increased confidence saw them running rings around the lame Everton defence, Mane almost squeezing the ball in at the near post after a torrid spell of pressure on the Everton goal.

This only caused the visitors to up their already persistent pressure on the Everton goal. !7-year-old Tom Davies replaced Darron Gibson for the last 10 mins, and it looked for a moment as if Everton would finally play up a little better!

Davies made a fantastic challenge to stop a Southampton attack. But Everton just could not make forward progress, Barkley then Osman losing the ball far too easily. It was all Southampton as they pushed hard for the winner as 4 mins were added.

But the tempo had gone out of the game and nothing of note transpired in yet another totally uninspiring Everton display, despite the changes in manpower, and a chorus of boos from the faithful.

Scorer: Funes Mori (68'), Mane (76')

Everton: Robles, Oviedo, Stones, Funes Mori, Coleman (52' Connolly), Osman (c), Gibson [Y:43'] (82' Davies), Besic, Mirallas, Deulofeu (63' Barkley), Kone.
Subs not Used: Howard, Lukaku, Niasse, Pienaar.

Southampton: Forster, Martina, van Dijk, Fonte (35' Yoshida), Bertrand, Wanyama (72' Rodriguez [Y:84']), Clasie, Mane, Long, Tadic, Pelle (65' S Davis).
Subs not Used: Cedric, Romeu, Ward-Prowse, Stekelenburg.

Kick-off: 3pm
Referee: Craig Pawson

Full details: ToffeeWeb match page

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Max Levy
1 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:14:43
Just heard Martinez on radio asked about poor results and Niasse. Completely avoided the issues as always. Does he not think about showing the fans any respect at all? Can't wait to see the back of him. And I said that 6 games into the season.
Al Reddish
2 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:16:37
So no kids as suggested and three players that hopefully won't be here next season and our 㾹.5m new chap still too unfit to start!

Despite that, let's hope they get a good win and show Barkley, Rom and some of the other lazy players how it's done.

Ian McDowell
3 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:20:42
Right, what the hell is going on with this Niasse? Why did we sign him? Martinez needs grilling over this. This transfer make no sense.
Brian Williams
4 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:25:42
Seems like Roberto has picked a side with the semi-final very much in mind. Last throw of the dice in a game I think he's already lost.

I firmly believe he'll be relieved of his duties come the end of the season ,no matter what happens.

Phil Malone Jnr
5 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:29:28
Roberto's Struggles..
To touch on a point mentioned in this thread. I don't think any of us want an Everton manager to fail. We're all just sick of Martinez.

A: If the game doesn't play to our strengths, he doesn't know how to adapt.
B: He knows he's been found out and his pride is hurting
C: He doesn't know why we're losing
D: He's lost the fans trust but also the players
E: He plays the game how he wants to play it. Not to the strengths of the players he has.

Would any of you have the Neville's? or is too much of a risk?

Craig Mills
6 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:35:34
Well this should be interesting, but let's get behind the team for 90 minutes. What must Niasse be thinking to be not starting with this many changes made.......
Dean Peamum
7 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:36:46
I had a dream last night that Everton won a home league game. Worryingly it wasn't against Southampton but rather it was Northampton in two years time.

Still no sign of the lesser-spotted Loch Niasse then?

Brian Wilkinson
8 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:37:19
Do not understand why some think we are already resigned to losing, with Gibson, we have a player who can play a forward pass, Osman not a 90-min player, but he will bust a gut and be a nuisance for as long as his legs hold out.

Mirallas on one wing, Deulofeu on the other, I think its a decent team he has put out. One thing with Kone, he will bloody run and not stand with his hands on his hips, god knows whats up with Niasse, but it's not as bad a side he has put out as some may think.

Besic and Gibson, the interesting midfield combination.

Terry Davies
10 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:39:05
Always been a Martinez supporter – until now. What are we going to learn about Gibson and Osman? Why is Pienaar on the bench? Surely none of those are going to feature next season. Is any manager ever going to have a run of games where he can play some of our youngsters who we keep being told are brilliant prospects?

Niasse should get a minute or two in added time for us to make a judgement (bloody hell – he's probably got a case for breach of contract, surely he never signed for us for this). if he's not fit why the hell is he on the bench?

Just noticed how many question marks I've got in that rant: we definitely need a change. Wouldn't it be nice if Simeone turned out to be a lifelong Evertonian? There I go again???

Mike Allen
11 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:43:18
I thought it couldn't get any worse  not only Liverpool taking the piss but our own manager?? Fuck me...
David Cooling
12 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:45:46
My heart sinks when I see Osman's name on the team sheet, and if this Niasse is still not match fit, why are we starting Gibson? When did he last start a league/cup match?
Liam Reilly
13 Posted 16/04/2016 at 14:49:25
There's no chance he'll play the kids; he's too fearful of losing his job and places in the table equal sizeable sums these days.

Winning the cup will stay his execution I'll bet, but that's about as likely as a top half finish on current form.

Adrian Bowering
14 Posted 16/04/2016 at 15:18:14
Niasse not in the starting lineup? Why doesn't that suprise me. Hang on... he might be fit by 2017.
Jim Bailey
15 Posted 16/04/2016 at 15:56:16
Brian @8
Anto Byrne
16 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:00:16
Kone sums up Martinez: clueless. Man Utd full strength and Rooney running riot, suppose it's only Villa but it's all about continuity. He did the same at Wigan in the cup and his team got a pasting. Get Osman off FFS... jeez where are the kids?
Ian McDowell
17 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:02:21
Not a great first 45 mins to say the least. We look like a Sunday league team that just turned up to play together.
Christy Ring
18 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:29:14
Coleman off with hamstring injury? Our only right back, why wasn't he rested? A huge loss for the cup semi-final.
Pete Ellingham
19 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:31:10
Ian McDowell
21 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:53:17
This is awful today. As bad as side as I have seen in many a year.
Mark Rimmer
22 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:53:37
The youngsters that came on put in more effort in 10 mins than most of the entire senior squad have all season.
Nick Armitage
23 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:54:14
Another flat disorganised insipid performance. Why is there only one club in the league who put up with this?
Chris John
24 Posted 16/04/2016 at 16:55:45
No doubt on this form we will certainly be relegated next season.
Craig Mills
25 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:01:02
How many leads have we given up this season, that's another 2 in the last 3 games... frightening.
Jim Bailey
26 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:02:43
I would like to know why in God's name Gibson was brought in for this game?

And, how many points lost from winning positions this season? I would Google it but I would more than likely cry.

FFS please get shut of Martinez.

Kenwright, Moshiri?

John Malone
27 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:03:44
How can Kenwright let this continue?

A top football team turn into this mish-mash of nearly men!

We are not a team – we are a blend of has-beens and not good enough's mixed in with the odd bit of talent and quality!

I never went again today and I won't be renewing my season ticket which I've had for 20 years if this clown is in charge next summer!

Kp Li
28 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:03:55
Let's wait and see what crap Martinez will say after this game.
Mike Powell
29 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:04:57
How much more of this do we have to put up with? Us Evertonians deserve better. Kenwright, if you are a True Blue, as you keep telling us, then do something about it and sack this incompetent clown now.
Anto Byrne
30 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:04:59
C'mon, surely it's time to put an end to this charade. Connelly and Davis looked at home unlike that lazy twat Barkley who does not defend does not tackle and does not mark his man. Davis comes on and does just that and is only 17 while Connolly gets the ball into the box.

Okay, I'm for Rhino to take charge and bring his kids with him. Osman and Gibson and Kone why even bother. Where is Henen or Holgate? I give up what a complete shambles this club has become.

Stephen Brown
31 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:05:33
Never been so bored with the Blues – I didn't even check the score until half-time! This is terrible!
Conor Skelly
32 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:06:28
Jim Bennings
33 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:08:10
Utter dross..

We are truly horrible to watch under this manager..

No hope at all for Wednesday or next Saturday.

Ian Hollingworth
34 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:08:14
3 points of 16th place and 3 points of 10th place says it all really. But we could be in a phenomenally incredible moment so let's not moan as we are so close to success.

Our away form is Champions League... if only our pesky home fans would stop making our phenomenally talented players fear playing in the incredible moment we know they can.

What a manager!

Neil Lawson
35 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:09:48
Such a dreadfully sad state of affairs when I am relieved that Southampton equalise so that the Spanish muppet can not somehow claim some credit for another shocking inept and hapless performance.

Thank heavens for some tiny chink of hope from the belated introduction of the 2 youngsters.

Martinez must go and go with his head held in shame.

Jay Wood
36 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:10:45
Poor fare again, I'm afraid.

I hoped the fringe players coming into the side – Oviedo, Besic, Gibson, Osman, Mirallas, Kone – would at least bring some energy and effort in an attempt to promote themselves, but for the most part they were poor to middling.

Oviedo is usually a cute defender and I don't know how much going over on his ankle in the 1st half inhibited him, but he got tore a new one all match by Tadic. And nothing was done to address that main threat the Saints carried.

Gibson and Mirallas had 1 or 2 moments, Osman less so, Kone is what he is, but Besic was very poor and barely featured.

The saving grace(s) (if any...) from the game were another goal for Funes Mori and the cameo appearances of the two young lads, Connolly and Davies. Early days, but Tom Davies looks a player.

Tony Hill
37 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:11:23
I missed this game and am glad I did. Excellent though to see two youngsters brought on.

Will be interesting to see what we do at right back if Seamus has got a hamstring problem. If Jags is unfit then we can't play Stones (who is very weak at righ-back anyway). I'm assuming Hibbert is out of the equation. Oviedo? Holgate? Besic can play in defence but is left-sided.

Jim Bailey
38 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:17:21
This was a perfect opportunity to blood some of our younger players. Who do we get? Osman, Gibson and Kone. Kone should never again be allowed to wear the Everton shirt, Gibson is crap and always will be. Ossie has done us proud for years but he is finished.

Where will this all end? I predict an absolute mauling at Anfield and a good kicking at Wembley from Man Utd. I am so frustrated with this excuse of a manager and his fucking philosophy.

Kenwright and/or Moshiri, if you have a fraction of concern for this once great club as we the fans have, then please do something about the current situation.

Ian Hollingworth
39 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:20:52
What a manager...
What a fucking manager.
Colin Glassar
40 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:21:09
Last season, I spoke of green shoots; this season, all I can see are weeds.
Bill Gall
41 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:22:18
Am I right in thinking that if a player is on the bench as a sub then he is fit enough to play? If so, how come a £13.5M player sits on the bench with Kone struggling to do anything, and we bring on a 17-year old on???

I understand we have two hard games coming up, but aren't we supposed to try and win every game?

Anthony Millington
42 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:24:32
Martinez needs to go and take Funes Mori and Kone with him. Funes Mori scores the odd goal but is a complete liability of a defender... take a loss on him and get a proper defender in.

Why is Galloway not in the squad? He's a better defender than Oviedo or Baines an he could have played to keep Coleman fit for Wembley.

Mick Davies
43 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:25:02
Jim Bailey @ 38 have to disagree. Myself and others thought Gibson was one of our better players (not too difficult I suppose) until his injury (inevitable), but Osman, Kone, Deulofeu and Besic were almost non-existent, and the youngsters hopefully make them feel acutely embarrassed... Oh, and Martinez Out!
Nigel Rickman
44 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:26:12
Jeez, this is worse than the Gordon Lee era, if a player isn't fit then he shouldn't be on the bench (Niasse).

The two lads that came on did more than the rest of them all game. It looks like Unsy has them playing, so why not bring him in till the end of the season? He might be able to install a bit of pride for the semi, a game I'm dreading; it could be embarrassing.

I've just been told that, if we don't win the last two home games, then this will be the worst Everton home performance of all time.

What do you think, Roberto?

Joe Clitherow
46 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:29:00
Jim 38

Gibson is a good player. He was decent today and he can pick a pass.

Personally I'd have him as a starter ahead of McCarthy.

Jim Bailey
47 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:30:14

Fair enough, but he's hardly a long term solution is he?

And I agree whole heartedly with you... Martinez Out!

Patrick Murphy
48 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:30:26
Looks like Seamus may miss next Saturday according to reports he has tweeked a hamstring – so that'll be Stones at right-back or perhaps Lennon as emergency right-back. We'll be lucky to find eleven 'first-teamers' for next week.

What we did learn from today is that Roberto will never ever alter his system regardless of the circumstance despite it being doomed to failure. I hope Moshiri was at the ground to hand him his P45 personally. The club really does need a major overhaul on and off the pitch; will it happen? I doubt it.

Paul Conway
49 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:32:08
That was Ragball Rovers standard!

Martinez will squeeze the positives out of the two young lads' performances. I have now reached the conclusion that Oumar Niasse is a total waste of a clean shirt!

Christy Ring
50 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:32:21
We are playing like a team relegated. No confidence whatsoever, a complete shambles.

How much longer can Kenwright look at Martinez. It's a disgrace that he's still here, and playing Gibson and Osman, who have played little football all season, ahead of the younger players, who were a breath of fresh air, when they came on, says it all.

Moshiri must step in and put us all out of our misery, and SACK him.

Phil Walling
51 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:33:33
Moshiri was reported as being present – but asleep!

Any confirmation of this scurrilous rumour?

Eric Myles
52 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:35:25
Patrick #45, Moshiri was at the ground but when the camera was on him he appeared to be sleeping.
Patrick Murphy
53 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:35:27
Phil (51) I heard he was on the TW LF and joining in with general banter?
Ian McDowell
54 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:35:29
This squad need a major overhaul in the summer. The manager and coaching team needs a major overhaul and the fitness coaches and physio team need replacing. Hope Moshiri has a Barclaycard.
Joe Clitherow
55 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:36:35

He was there, and he was on his phone on the big screen, not asleep.

Jon Cox
56 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:40:09
Next Saturday, it has to be Gibson over McCarthy.

We simply just have to have a player who can pick out a forward pass.

McCarthy has regressed since he started playing for us and should only be on the bench at Wembley.

Tony Marsh
57 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:40:34
No good moaning about the manager, what about the twat employing him? That idiot Kenwright is a curse on this club ever since he allowed Kings Dock to slip away. The Kopites get rid of owners as well as managers – we just moan???
Ian Hollingworth
58 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:41:37
Let's hope he was ringing a top manager who knows how to win. We need ambition and a winning mentality. So that means bye bye to Billy Liar and Bobby Baffoon.
Phil Walling
59 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:41:48
Not for long though, Patrick. He soon got bored and fell asleep. Most of the banter concerned the continued non appearance of 㾹.5M Niasse who is, apparently, being saved for Anfield or Wembley or even next season.....
Paul Andrews
60 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:41:58
Patrick 48.

Seamus will play in the semi.
The signal looked pre arranged to me.

Jack Convery
61 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:43:09
The worst home record in our illustrious history. He must go tonight. Put Joe Royle in charge til the end of the season. Whatever the results, they can't be any worse than they are now.

It will lift the whole place immediately, players will be relieved and fans happy that something positive has been done. It gives the board plenty of time to find a proper manager and not a delusional egotist.
Ian McDowell
62 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:43:37
Nearly 2 full seasons now of bottom half of the league football and no sign its likely to improve. In fact it looks like its only going to get worse.
Patrick Murphy
63 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:43:39
Man of the match according to the Echo, for his cameo appearance, went to the youngster Tom Davies who scored an 8, unlike his senior team-mates who all managed to score a 6 or less, Robles and Funes Mori excepted who both were given a 7.
Colin Glassar
64 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:45:40
Moshiri wasn't asleep, he was playing Candy Crush on his mobile. BK was advising him on some nifty moves.

One thing Roberto has managed to achieve this season is a united Everton fan base... United against him!!

Andy Codling
66 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:48:44
Did Besic get 90 minutes?
Jim Bailey
68 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:50:38
Joe @46
Says it all really.
If that's all we have, then....
Just want Martinez out, now!!
Peter Barry
69 Posted 16/04/2016 at 17:52:14
There is only one thing to say after ANOTHER Martinez borefest and that is... "What!!!! – A Manager?"
Paul Montgomery
71 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:00:58
The best games I have been to this season were the two against Chelsea and the home cup leg against City. The crowd were up for it and created a great atmosphere, which I believe gave the team confidence to perform. At most of the other games the crowd has been poisonous, and critical of players to the point that undermines their confidence.

Looking at our away form compared to that at home, it is clear that the players are more comfortable playing away from Goodison at the moment. We boo a team off after a 1-1 draw today. The reds went 2 down the other night and the Kop practically sucked the ball into the net – no booing, just committed support. That's a real shame and is down to us as much as Kenwright or Martionez.

David Milner
72 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:01:18
Joe @55, hopefully Moshiri was on his phone finding out which new manager he can get in before Wednesday.

Joe @46 Gibson is not a good player. He does a job & that's all, which is why Man U got rid of him. Hardly ever fit to play.

It was nice to see the 2 kids given a chance but where is Galloway?
Let's hope Holgate, Connolly or Jones is given a run out at right back against the shite. I am not a believer in playing a senior player out of position just to give him a game.

Dave Ganley
73 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:01:32
Just back from the game... awful awful game. Highlight being the missed bicycle kick by Kone –by far the most entertaining thing on show from an Everton point of view.

The "fan" who invaded the pitch to have a go at Martinez was out of order though. We all share his sentiments but that was a real cockwomble of a thing to do, made us look more idiotic than we are already.

Definite shambles though... whole game was poor from our part. Southampton will be going home thinking how they only got a draw from this after a raft of chances and hitting the woodwork twice.

No point keeping Martinez any longer... today showed that there is absolutely nothing there from the players anymore. Absolutely no positives apart from Funes Mori maybe.

Derek Cowell
74 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:01:47
There may have been worse that I've forgotten but that was the worst attacking performance that I can remember at Goodison by an Everton team. We played and looked like we had 10 players on the pitch.

Southampton must be gutted to only get a draw out of that game with the amount of space they had in front of our back four. Tadic was immense. We were utter pants but defended quite well given the pressure we were under.

There was just no upfield outlet at all. Niasse must be totally crap, not to even get on in that game, never mind not starting!

Martinez will/must be sacked next Saturday night after our two heavy defeats next week. There can be no other outcome after today's efforts... or total lack of them.

I did think that Gibson and Funes Mori did okay today though but the highlight of the game for us was one little piece of skill from Davies in a tight situation in our half late on. Relegation next season if the phenomenal one is still here.

Fans going on about top class foreign managers are deluding themselves. Who with any ambition would come here?! In reality, Hughes or Moyes for me I'm afraid to say. Both of whom would have us higher up the table, without a doubt.

Putting tin hat on now!! I can't believe people are championing Rafa Benitez. Do we really want a manager who called us a small club and who we've called a fat Spanish waiter for years! No former RS manager for me... ever!!

Gavin Johnson
75 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:04:49
I had a wager with a mate that they'd equalise within 5 minutes. I nearly won the bet, the inevitable happened 8 minutes later.

We look like a team fighting for relegation and the semi can't paper over the cracks. If we don't beat United, Martinez has to be sacked after the game. If we do beat them, he has to go at the end of the season. Either way, he's gotta go!!

Tom Davies was the one positive to take away from the game. He looks a very good player for such a young age. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him next season. He looks like he can offer something at 17 which shows how good he is.

If Coleman's injured, play Holgate at right-back next Saturday. He's meant to be pushing for the first team squad and been playing really well lately. Otherwise play Connolly. He was committed and wanted to play (unlike some of the senior players) he didn't do anything wrong today.

Jim Bailey
76 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:05:14
Go and be a red then
I don't think you get this at all.
I sentence you to 10 minutes on the naughty step.
Clive Lewis
77 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:06:59
I agree Martinez out, he needs removing just for Niasse and the missing millions.
Andrew Wayne
78 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:10:39
Just back from game. Worst performance all season – woeful. No formation, no tactics, no effort. I have no idea how anyone call watch Kone and think he is a Premier League player.

Everyone could see their goal was coming – we must have Buster Keaton as our defensive coach. Don't agree with the wooden-top who ran on the pitch but understand the frustration. Most of the players looked disinterested and those given a chance today didn't take it.

We were lucky Southampton didn't score three or four having rattled the woodwork twice. Need to turn off radio/TV and phone on Wednesday – not looking good. Unless the Everton who beat Chelsea in the quarterfinal turn up next Saturday, Wembley is going to be painful day out.
Nev Renshaw
79 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:12:58
Only the top four teams have scored more goals than us. But our defence is a bloody shambles.
Adam Galloway
81 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:15:53
First team staff have to go minus Dunc. Gibson, Osman, Pienaar Hibbert, McGeady, Oviedo, Kone all have to go! If the board ain't careful, we will be like Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle within two years... they're all big clubs as well!
Colin Glassar
83 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:20:42
It sounded like the players have simply stopped playing for the manager and are just going through the motions. How after the first season he's managed to screw things up so badly beggars belief.
Terence Tyler
84 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:21:24
Gutted. Grandson's birthday next month, I always buy him his season ticket for his present. He asked me on the way home from the match today, could he have a new phone this year instead?
Paul Montgomery
85 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:21:42
Jim @ 76 - I'm advocating supporting Everton and have already renewed my season ticket - don't know how that makes me a red?
Andy Codling
86 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:22:33
Paul (#71), you are just as deluded as the manager; how can it possibly be the crowd's fault, watching dross like that week-in & week-out?

Surely earning thousands a week is motivation enough to perform. Sure, you are entitled to your opinion, but to come on to blame supporters for the team being utter woeful is insane.

And speaking of reds, they wanted shut of Rodgers as they could see he wasn't good enough and they demanded better, hence Rodgers was sacked and they went for one of the top managers in Europe. Rodgers had a far better record than Martinez at the time!!

Food for thought, that draw has guaranteed us the worst ever points tally at home in our top flight record. This hasn't happened over night, it's been two years in the making. I imagine the next two games will decide Roberto's future.

Also, how can Niasse who was signed at the end of January, still not get into that squad? I've heard rumours about him and normally I will make my own mind up but if he can't get in that squad then I'm starting to believe the rumours...

If Niasse is not fit, then why is he on the bench? Because, if that's the case, he is holding a young player back!

And is our away form really that good?

Paul Conway
87 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:22:42
"We overcame that lack of quality with incredible fight to get a positive result." quote from Martinez.

Once again, Roberto, sees it differently. We were jammy to get the equaliser, although fair play to Funes Mori.

Paul Montgomery
88 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:27:02
Andy @ 86 - I doubt you are medically qualified to diagnose me as deluded and insane. Make your point but do not resort to personal abuse.
Steve Woods
89 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:27:48
The blame lies entirely at the feet of Kenwright, arguably the worst thing to have been inflicted upon this once great and proud football club in my memory (50 years of support this year). His lazy cheapskate appointment has backfired and he hasn't got the balls to get shot of the manager who week by week is destroying the club.

What a Chairman.

What a manager.

I could weep but Kenwright and now Martinez have just about killed off those strong emotions toward my club.

Kim Vivian
90 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:27:58
Norwich, Sunderland and Villa to drop. Odds for Newcastle to make Champions League next year with Rafa?

Perhaps we should go for him. He seems to have got the players and fans onside pretty quick.

Andy Codling
91 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:31:25
Paul, come on that wasn't intended as personal abuse and you well know it. You can't possibly be that easily offended?
Joe Clitherow
92 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:31:27
Paul 71

I don't know where you sit (if you do) but the atmosphere is not poisonous or anything like it, certainly not near me in the Paddock.

Apathetic yes but nowhere near poisonous. The crowd does not undermine players' performance, that's entirely down to the clown standing in front of the dugout with his total lack of direction. The team he inherited was renowned for its team spirit and tactical discipline – all gone, dismantled by Martinez, Jones and Lawrence.

He has sucked all the passion from the fans without a doubt. We just go through the motions at the ground, it is just depressing.

You clearly don't go to any away games either, Paul, if you think there is no discontent there.

Jay Harris
93 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:31:42
Kenwright was sat in his normal seat with Tony Bellew while Moshiri was well away sat on his own looking disenchanted.

Surely Martinez has to go before next season.

Paul Conway
94 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:32:58
At this present time, none of our outfield players have more than 60-70 minutes in them. And for the period they do play up until that time, they look absolutely fucked. They can't hold onto the ball, beat one or two players, lay off a telling pass or through ball.

We are imploding... it's the nineties revisited!

John Paul McGurk
95 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:34:47
Look on the brightside...
Steve Woods
96 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:37:31
John Paul McGurk #95, what is the brightside at the moment?
Phil Walling
97 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:40:24
How ANYONE can advocate Benitez for manager of Everton disgusts me. It's like saying Hicks and Gillette should have taken us over!

There are dozens of very capable managers who would be a good fit or our club without considering THEIR casts-off!

John Paul McGurk
98 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:41:21
We go into the derby on a 3-match unbeaten run... I'm trying to keep myself from crying.
Jamie Barlow
99 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:42:23
Give the fans at Goodison something to shout about and they'll back you 100%.

This "going through the motions" bollocks that these players are giving us at the moment isn't going to get 30-odd thousand fans shouting is it?

The second biggest cheer today was when young Davies chased down a ball and got a challenge in. (Take note, Barkley!)

Give them something to get excited about, ffs!!

Ray Roche
100 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:44:10
Phil Walling #97

"There are dozens of very capable managers who would be a good fit or our club"

Name them.

And they have to be available or potentially available.

Tony Dove
103 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:48:40
Seamus will be a huge loss. The thought of what Martinez will do with the defensive set up for the semi terrifies me.

As for today I cannot believe that at least two of the kids didn't start, the point in bringing on Ross or having Osman as captain or playing Kone …....

As for Ross, I love him to bits but he looks like he needs a week in the sauna.

Barry Pearce
104 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:48:45
I'm so glad the two youngsters got a run out today. I would have liked to see dowell get a chance also.

I believe young Liam Walsh could be squad material next season.
I really hope so, as the youngsters we have can't do no worse, than some of the so called established squad. Martinez out.

Jay Wood
105 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:50:52
Paul Montgomery @ 71.

By your own admission, there was only booing at the final whistle. And very mild it was too, given this season and the run of results, especially at GP.

To describe as you do that the GP crowd has been poisonous, and critical of players to the point that it undermines their confidence, is simply not true.

Rather, the crowd is becalmed and subdued because there is absoutely nothing (for the most part...) for them to get excited or agitated about.

How many moments, how many passages of play by Everton today, set the pulse racing, put you on the edge of your seat or actually lifted you out of your seat? For me, I had to wait 86 minutes until Tom Davies won a great tackle in the box, then did a little shimmy before calmly playing the ball out.

To continue to lay the blame for Everton's atrocious performances this season on the 'poisinous' fan support as you attempt here, and as others before you have done, really grates with me as it is both false and also deflects the blame and focus from where it should lie, with the coaching staff and players.

Kim Vivian
106 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:54:00
Get over it, Phil.

I'd take Rafa over Martinez. Would you take Suarez if he was offered to us for say Lukaku's money? I guess not because he is an highly competitive win at all costs ex-redsh cannibalistic animal.

Besides the cannibal bit – sounds just like what we need.

Max Levy
107 Posted 16/04/2016 at 18:57:13
Ray #100. It's not our job as fans to identify the next manager. That's for the club to sort out. They presumably know their business and have inside knowledge. Did anyone predict Ranieri or Pochettino?

Let the people at the top sort this mess out. Firstly by identifying the new manager now, not at the end of the season, and secondly by removing this arrogant and misguided incumbent within one hour of the final whistle of the season.

Karl Jones
108 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:03:38
I agree with Barry Pearce #104 re the youngsters. The guy I'd like to see get a chance is Delial Brewster. Certainly in ahead of Kone who was an absolute disgrace today. Absolutely 0 effort and should never wear the shirt again.
Martin Mason
110 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:04:05
Ray@100, anybody breathing and with more than 2 brain cells would be better than Martinez. It's the ultimate in negativity and submission to believe that Everton can't find a better manager than Martinez, a proven failure, given our current income. I'd risk the money to pay for the breach of contract by Southampton's current manager. I should actually call what Everton need a head coach

A good side Southampton with Tadic exceptional; Oviedo looks as though his injury has finished him. We're a club in crisis and odds on to go deeper as we lose the next two games. I can see an ultimate humiliation coming Wednesday as a rudderless Everton come up against a rampant Liverpool and again as the wreckage meets a much improved United side on Saturday.

Karl Parsons
111 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:05:22
I am sick to the back teeth of Martinez's utter bollocks. Week after week after week? Today's observations are totally deluded as usual.


Trevor Peers
112 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:07:11

And where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns
Don't bother
They're here.
Martinez and Kenwright ?
He should of sacked Martinez last season. It's even worse than the Mike Walker team now.

Ray Roche
113 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:07:44
Max, I'm well aware of who's job it is to select our next manager, my post to Phil, and it wasn't an aggressive tone, was to name some of the "dozens" of suitable people experienced and good enough to, at least, take us to the level we were at when Moyes jumped ship and Captain Phenomenal took over.
Ray Roche
115 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:10:55
Martin, see my response to Max.

"experienced and good enough" and available.
Koemann would have to be barking to leave Saints for a mid table, blinkered outfit like we've become under Martinez.

And I'm off to strap on a nose bag now so any response will be much later, and red wine fuelled, or tomorrow.

Brent Stephens
116 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:13:38
With the team selected today it was always going to be pushing poo uphill. So a draw, after two young subs were used (both contributing well, though), isn't the end of the world for me. But boy Kone stank.

I've always been a fan of Osman but he should no longer be starting – there are other options. Deulofeu has seriously gone off the boil of late. Gibson played well. Stones is looking a bit more steady in the last few games (great support for him at Palace midweek). Besic isn't fulfilling his promise, though.

A seriously weak side today that any manager would have struggled to get a win out of against a good Southampton side.

Phil Walling
117 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:15:16
Ray @100. I have no intention of naming them. Have got something better to do and, unsurprisingly, I shall not be consulted by the powers that be when the time comes. If you want names of all those available check www.transfermarkt.co.uk./trainers
Ray Roche
118 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:17:47
OK, Phil, I'll have a look at the list later, off out now. See my responses to Max and Martin, my original post to you was not meant to be aggressive, just curious.

We stunk the gaff out today.

Gavin Johnson
119 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:28:54
Totally agree with Phil #97

I don't understand how anyone would welcome Benitez as the next Everton manager. Also the fawning, referring to him as Rafa. It does my head in.

Hows about any of these 12 - Mourinho, Bielsa, De Boar, Koeman, Howe, Mancini, Hiddink, Simeone, Bilic, Emery, Garcia, I'd even have Moyes back over the fat Spanish waiter.

Conor Skelly
120 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:29:09
Sack Him now. It'll lift a weight off the players shoulders and might give them chance in the Semi Final.
Colin Glassar
121 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:29:31
Apart from the top three elite managers (Simeone, Guardiola and Ancellotti) every other manager is a legitimate target and that includes Mourinho, Blanc, Pellegrini, Tuchel etc...... Money talks and we can offer our managers top dollar, and now a transfer kitty.

Let's be bold and go for the best, anyone except the FSW who's a FSB!!!

Martin Mason
122 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:30:09
Ray, your insinuation is that that there's nobody experienced or good enough or available to do better than RM. Ridiculous of course and it is not for anybody to draw up lists of who they could be. Anybody is available and most proven successful managers in the world would leap at the change to manage a club in the top 20 of the world's richest.

My wife is available for that position and like Martinez knows nothing about football. She would do far better than him at Everton because she wouldn't try to confuse the players with the type of tactical idiocy seen week in week out from Everton.

Enough of this nonsense of listing who may be good enough and available, it is defeatist nonsense and an abject acceptance of the total mediocrity that RM represents.

Sam Hoare
123 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:30:59
This season is waiting to be put out of its misery. Or is it?

Somehow it would feel very Everton if we somehow squirmed past Utd (penalties perhaps?) and rolled over Watford in the final.

Then suddenly we could be on for 10thish and the cup.

Would that make it all ok? I'm not sure, but it would surely make it our best season in a very long time.

The worse we play in the league the more convinced I am the cup is ours. Strange old game.

Anthony Manning
124 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:31:13
Today's draw now means we'll end the season with our lowest home points tally in our history!!

Come on Moshiri grow a set and pull the plug on this nightmare.

Paul Mackie
125 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:34:05
"What a manager!" - Kenright, 2016
Brian Williams
126 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:34:55
I couldn't accept this as our best season if we won the FA Cup even if statistically it was. It's been a disappointment and winning the FA Cup would merely temper that disappointment.

Still need rid of Martinez.

Sean Patton
127 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:37:56

You could be right, mate. I don't know what would be more: Everton win on Wednesday and lose the semi or get a hiding at Anfield and win at Wembley!

Mike Allison
128 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:41:03
If we win the FA Cup, I'll be happy, but I'll still want Martinez to go. He's shown that he can't put a league season together, he can't turn around a slump and he can't fix (or seemingly recognise) weaknesses.
Patrick Murphy
129 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:42:27
Sean (127) With this particular vintage of Everton we'll probably go 2-0 up in both games and end up losing.
Mike Allen
130 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:43:21
If you know the fairy story, you'll know what I mean by The Kings New Clothes... what the fuck is he seeing that we are not, talks utter bollocks after every game. The Niasse debacle needs explaining again what utter bollocks.

"The best squad we've had in years" comes nowhere near good enough. no quick fix for this shambles far to many overrated over hyped mediocre players if we can get money for them fucking do it just keep the honest players.

Put on the two young players for an excuse, nothing to do with a football or game decision... what a prick.

Andy Crooks
131 Posted 16/04/2016 at 19:55:25
Today was obviously seen by Marinez as meaningless. The semi final is all important to him as, in my view, a cup win will save his career.

Will he see the Liverpool game as meaningless? I suspect he he knows what it means and I believe we will win. Also, I believe we will win the semi final. I have little regard for Martinez but I believe there is a twist to our season and I think today was a bonus point.

Steve Davies
132 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:03:32
The fan who ran on the pitch has had more playing time than Niasse!

This is fast turning into a farce, if the guy is unfit it is phenomenal, I only took three months to run a half marathon from scratch. How long does it take to get fit for a football player who did not have a major injury. Maybe he is just rubbish.

Only highlights for me was Funes and Tom Davies.

My middle son is called Tommy Davies so for the first time ever I may put a player's name on the back of my shirt.

Damian Nolan
134 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:11:24
BBC Merseyside has just posted that the fan who ran on in the direction of Martinez is to have the severest penalty imposed upon him as he can't be let off easily and it has to act as a lesson to others.

He has to attend the Bournemouth and Norwich game. The club will oppose any attempt by the fan to ask for a Football Banning Order to be imposed upon himself.

Alexander O'Brien
135 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:14:25
Like it or lump it all this Martinez out lark is pointless. The man will be in charge for the remainder of the season and if he steers the team to a trophy and sneeks inside the top ten EVERYONE of us would have taken that at the start of the season. We'll have to see how the season pans out and get behind the team for next week.
Max Levy
136 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:19:05
So 95% of us want him out. Please, if there is one single person out there who knows a good reason NOT to sack him, please make your point now. Because I'm still waiting to hear one.
Mark Frere
137 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:26:02
I don't even want to win the FA Cup while Martinez is here! For one simple reason: It will guarantee him another season here. I'm not willing to go through another season of feeling numbness every time we play, for just one day of glory. It will have a real artificial feel about it because we will know there is only misery around corner.

Last time we won the FA Cup there was a real magical feeling about it, we'd got rid of a incompetent, staved off relegation and the team had a real fighting spirit about it. There was genuine hope for the future with Joe Royle and his 'dogs of war' team.

The ideal scenario for the rest of this season would be for Joe Royle to replace the current incompetent manager for the rest of the campaign and instill fight in the players and gives us fans fresh hope.

David Connor
138 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:29:47
That performance today was painful to watch.I couldn't take anymore and left a few minutes before the final whistle.

You just knew that they would get the equalizer. How they didn't beat a very very poor Everton side, I don't know. If that is the depth of our squad, we are fucked but hopefully at least 6 players will be moved on.

That number hopefully doesn't include Stones or Lukaku although I think the latter will be sold. So be it. But Martinez and his fucking gormless sidekick Jones have to be sacked ASAP. The rot has well and truly set in.

It is that obvious to everyone of us that watch this guttless bunch of footballers and it hurts to watch it unfold before our eyes. Martinez has self belief bordering on insanity at times. But I think and hope that the wave has become to big for him to ride now.

Moshiri must have witnessed the supporter run on the pitch today and realised he needs to act sooner rather than later. We have all felt like doing that at some point and I for one applaud him for it. He showed more fight and passion than the whole team put together. At least he wont have to put up with watching that shower of spineless bastards anymore.

Sad to see us come so low in 2 seasons.The hardwork starts now Mr Moshiri. Good luck... you will need it.

Colin Leary
139 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:31:04
Why don't we just have done with him and get Stubbsy.. True blue who knows how to defend and a proper Evertonian.
Gareth Williams
140 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:31:08
I'm not looking forward to the next two games... how long before Martinez goes?
Richard Reeves
141 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:33:07
Andy Crooks (#131), I could well believe that would happen, I'm not saying it will but Martinez is probably due a bit of karma payback.

Whatever the outcome (and I'll be hoping for success in both games and then the final if we get through), I want Frank De Boer here next season, taking over from where Martinez left off with developing the youth and creating an exciting young squad and winning things like what he achieved with Ajax. In my opinion, he is the perfect fit for Everton if it's possible in getting him.

Colin Glassar
143 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:34:03
Damian, if they really want to punish the "pitch invader" then make him listen to Martinez's post match interviews on a loop. That would make anyone go loopy.
Ray Robinson
144 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:36:04
Mark, I can't understand your attitude. Let's win the FA Cup and then worry about the Martinez situation afterwards. I don't believe that winning the Cup will see him here next season. His league form must have put paid to that already.

How can you support Everton and not want them to win a trophy? Why are we all spending a fortune next week (and hopefully again for the Final)? To get beat? Baffles me.

Colin Leary
145 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:39:01
Haha, Colin, that is class... I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Chris Barnes
146 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:48:13
Surely the only way to turn this horrible situation round is to get rid of Roberto now. Hopefully the lift Rhino, Big Dunc and Mr Royle can provide could push us through the Derby and on to victory in the semifinals. Under the current manager I can't see us getting anything in the next two games.
Kim Vivian
148 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:54:30
Steve (132) - That's actually quite a long time for a half marathon.

(Good on ya tho' - I know what you mean!)

Steve Davies
149 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:56:19
Mark (137). Sack Martinez. Then I would love Big Joe to be our manager for the semi and cup final. This may appeal to Kenwright's sentimentality and would be a great headline for him if we win it. He can milk it for all he is worth and then disappear.

Then Moshri and Co can get on with running a competent club, free of the two jokers.

Mark Frere
150 Posted 16/04/2016 at 20:59:58
Ray, I'm of the opinion that victory in the FA Cup will buy Martinez another season at least. I can't imagine the board sacking a manager that has delivered our first trophy in 21 years. I feel very uncomfortable expressing my feelings about the matter but that is how I feel.

There is no hope while Martinez is here, I can't even get excited about any new players we might potentially sign. I'm willing to wait until there is a better vibe about the place before winning a trophy. Shame on me, I know.

Ian Riley
151 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:05:47
Only Aston Villa have let more goals in at home than us. My worry now with average coaches and manager. There will be one outcome next season. Three years is enough. When fans hope to lose to get the manager out.

It's over! Ending the season on a bad run will continue into next season. The manager has lost his way again. Players and fans agree. Martinez, your time is up!

I fear I will be writing the same in November!!!

Kim Vivian
152 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:12:00
I think some on here are thinking I was seriously suggesting Rafa (shorter/quicker typing by the way) in my earlier post. It was actually meant more in the vein of Martin Mason's '2 brain cells'post.

We could certainly do better than TFSW. However, we are not actually even in the market for a replacement right now (officially), but who out of those that are available (and that does NOT include at least half those listed by Gavin) could we actually attract. I like many have a certain feeling of despair that we will be stuck with our current RM (as opposed to Milan's RM) at the start of next year.

I don't really care who sees us through til the end of this season. The players will either win us the FA cup or not and I think it will make little or no difference who is at the helm. At the end of the day I suppose at least RM has some credibility in that department. Fuck knows how though!

Gavin Johnson
153 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:13:41
Mark #137

I had to read that post twice. I can't believe such is your dislike for Martinez you would prefer us to get dumped out of the cup than start next season with him as manager.

We've not won a trophy in over 20 years. If it means we have to endure Martinez until the end of October or November when the inevitable sacking would happen, it would be a sacrifice I'd be more than willing to take if it meant I could see Jags lift some silver wear at Wembley.

Phil Rodgers
154 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:30:09


Andy Crooks
155 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:31:41
Gavin, I bow to no-one in my disdain for Martinez but I'll have Roberto and the cup any time. To me, it's about memories (I will never forget every cup win, or lose, and the day that went with it).

Managers are hired hands who come and go but if they leave us with a special day then I can tolerate a draw with Southampton.

Keith Meakin
156 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:33:56
I didn't bother going or watching today, I actually had a day out with my daughter and wife. I anticipated another crap performance and instead had a good day out. Martinez is ruining a generation of great young talent. Please get rid before we loose to many good players.
Andy Meighan
157 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:38:19
On my way to the game today, I heard the team and made the wife turn the car around. Disgusted that he didn't throw 3 or 4 kids in but, no, it was Gibbo, Ossie, Oviedo, etc.

To be fair Gibson was ok, nothing more. I watched it in the pub and felt like I did while sitting there, deflated. A poor performance.

Feel like crying. Fed up, drunk and tired.
Gavin Johnson
158 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:42:21
I agree Andy. The memories of a day out winning a cup at Wembley endure and will be remembered for a lifetime. Whether Roberto banks a few more months on the back of it are insignificant in the scheme of things. It wouldn't be talked about in years to come. An FA cup win would.
Steve Davies
159 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:42:36
Kim 148 - very witty. Good comment.
Eddie Dunn
160 Posted 16/04/2016 at 21:49:09
It is amazing to see the differing views on here. I thought that Gibson was outstanding, he read the game he brought people into the play, passed well and always had time to make the right choice.

Apart from the two youngsters, who were a breath of fresh air, it was a case of more of the same for the long suffering Goodison faithful.

Abysmal creativity, and no goal threat. Kev occasionally showed flashes but Kone was truly awful. Barkley should have stayed on the bench, and poor Ossie is a spent force. Oviedo was being destroyed in that second half, we didn't adjust to help him out, and Besic was adrift in a sea of nothingness.

At least we got a point though it was more than we deserved.

Ste Traverse
161 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:06:05
My ideal scenario would be to win the cup and Moshiri waiting at the bottom of the steps at Wembley with a p45 for Mr R Martinez in his hand. And I would take Benitez in a heartbeat. I'm not even arsed he used to manage them.

He slagged us off once. Big deal. We slag them off all the time. Let's not be hypocrites. He'd certainly get miles more out of this squad.

We were second best all over the pitch today. Saints must be thinking how they didn't win it. Only consolation for me in another shit day for us was getting Mori at 25/1 to score the first goal.

Andy Crooks
162 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:12:18
I agree, Eddie, I think Gibson will be at the Euros and excel and leave us wondering what has happened at Everton. He deserves a bit of luck, and if he gets it he is a fine player.
Kevin Rowlands
166 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:26:26
Anyone who thinks that if we win the cup, our first trophy in over 20 years, Martinez will then be fired needs mental help, absolutely no chance that will happen. Personally and unfortunately I can only see two defeats in this next week which will be the end of the Martinez era.

BTW Phil Walling, I would like to hold my hand up and apologize, you called Martinez out as a fraud after the first season and took a lot of stick for that, you were right all along mate!

Dave Ganley
167 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:27:05
I want a cup win as much as anybody and really hope for a miracle next Saturday. After all, in a one off game anyone can beat anyone... just ask el Bob re Wigan beating City. However, under no circumstances should this guy get any more time at our club, cup win or not. To even write about it or even think about it is just ludicrous.

We are going from one low point to another this season, compounded by the disaster that was last season. It has been pointed out several times that we are now going to achieve our lowest points total at home ever... considering some of the sides we have had in the past that takes some doing... especially when considering some of the players we have at our disposal. It highlights one thing amongst others, that we have absolutely no heart and that is unforgivable at this club.

At least in other shit sides we have had the misfortune to see over the years, at least we had heart. Under no circumstances at all should Martinez remain and to be honest, if he does, regardless of a cup win, it will just signal to me and many others what a small minded unambitious and a complete also-ran club we are. If we keep this guy we will reach a new low in incompetence.

Colin Glassar
168 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:29:45
Oh don't encourage him Kevin, I can hear his smugness in Cyprus. Bloody tax exiles
John O'Brien
169 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:32:42
Can anyone explain to me why Osman was playing in that game when we've got an outstanding talent like Kieran Dowell who plays in that position and is a natural No 10. What must he be thinking.

I watch a lot of U21s and he is the outstanding player and most naturally talented there. Well done to Tom and Callum btw they did brilliant.

Kevin Rowlands
170 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:41:24
John 169, easily explained mate, RM is our manager.
Ray Griffin
171 Posted 16/04/2016 at 22:56:42
The young lads did very well when they came on, imagine how they felt. Nervous as hell but so proud to live the dream and represent this great club – an honour that a very select few get to realise – I loved them for their spirit, attitude & skill.

The so called senior players – you should be ashamed

Anthony Dwyer
174 Posted 16/04/2016 at 23:14:19
We're so poor, it's so worrying. Very few positives from most of our games, but today, at long last we had two kids who were give a genuine chance by Martinez. In giving these lads a chance he gave us, the fans something to get behind.

I'm not saying that today was a good day, not even an acceptable day, but the introduction of Davies and Connolly showed there can still be a bright blue future if we could find the right man to replace Roberto.

Les Netherwood
175 Posted 16/04/2016 at 23:18:17
Another brilliant day at the office. The youngsters were really good, but so called star Barkley and Osman were dreadful again. Barkley runs with the ball for a few yards and then stops and turns around and around before moving forward again... this time without the ball. He has really gone backwards.

Gibson played well after so long out and needs to get some games under his belt. We need to get rid of Martinez and Kenwright. Until BK goes the club will continue to stagnate as every other club in the country gets a new stadium.
Ray Roche
176 Posted 16/04/2016 at 23:20:04
Martin Mason #122

Martin, in none of my posts have I "insinuated that that there's nobody experienced or good enough or available to do better than RM". There are, I would imagine, managers who would do a far better job than Martinez, in fact I struggle to think of many who would do worse, and none who continue to spout such utter drivel week after week.

Read my posts again. I can't wait to see the back of this fool, I was merely, out of interest, inviting Phil to give a list of managers who would or could replace Martinez IN HIS OPINION. As this is a football, and Everton in particular, forum it IS for people to draw up a list of possible replacements if only to back up their pronouncements when they make sweeping statements regarding the club. It is only through this exchange of ideas that one can widen their horizons and see different perspectives.

As for defeatist nonsense, I would suggest that a lack of substance in an argument is a form of defeat in itself.

You say your wife knows nothing about football.

You make a good couple......;-)

Ian Tunstead
177 Posted 16/04/2016 at 23:34:27
It's clear the players are not playing for Martinez when the youngsters show up the seniors.
Paul Smith
178 Posted 16/04/2016 at 00:09:35
The excitement and euphoria of a cup win will quickly be replaced by the devastation and numbness of relegation a year later. Rather suffer a semi final blow and a pissed off few days and a new man at the helm inbound.

Making that unthinkable relegation threat unthinkable.

Neil Lawson
179 Posted 17/04/2016 at 00:23:34
No one will speak up for poor Roberto. I cannot understand the vitriol directed at him. It takes a special person to take a team performing reasonably consistently and a team who, generally defended their lines with some degree of organisation and skill, and turn them into a hapless bunch of directionless plodder.

The man is a magician. If only he could make himself disappear he would be a shoo-in for "Britain's got bugger all talent" Bet Amanda Holden would give him the red button pronto.
Ray Smith
180 Posted 16/04/2016 at 00:27:04
Colin 40#

I saw 2 green shoots today. Davis and Connolley, they have the potential to do well in the future.

However, we didn't deserve the draw.

I have never known Goodison so quiet!

Why ban banners?

Gibson my man of the match for what it was!

Geri didn't seem interested and should have been subbed at half time.

Mirallas huffed and puffed but that was it!

Kone needs to know that you pass to a blue shirt, not a red one. How did he stay on for 90 mins!!!

Fines-Mori makes mistakes but well worth his place in this team.

Besic a voice in the wilderness, needs a run of games, same stout heart as Funes-Mori.

Davies and Connolley breath of fresh air.

Stones ok, Robles saved by the woodwork otherwise ok.

Oviedo ok ish.

Never saw Barclay make a tackle and probably never will!

Couldn't see the front of the banner that was paraded around the ground from where I was sitting. Can anyone tell me what it said.

I don't condone what the idiot did when he ran on the pitch pointing at Martinez, but he seemed to disappear from the touch line pretty rapidly. Why? big Dubc was next to him!!!

I can't see any positives from today, Southampton must feel that it was 2 points dropped.

Not looking forward to next 7 days.

Joys of being an Evertonian.

Please answer my questions whether you agree or disagree?

Good night.

Jay Griffiths
181 Posted 17/04/2016 at 00:34:57
Everton win FA cup. Moshiri is then instrumental in the sacking of the man that brought Everton their first trophy for over two decades! What a message that would send out to the football world. Managers and players. Shape up or ship out.

Seamus will be liable to injuries whenever Gerry is played on his side. The lazy, gutless, unfit poseur hangs Seamus out to dry when it comes to backing him up, yet Seamus is always available overlapping at the top end.

The Opta stats will show the pitch invader covered more yards running towards his own keeper than our Spanish wing maestro. Ross too, looks overweight and our teams fitness levels are a real concern. Where is the urgency?
Anthony Dwyer
183 Posted 17/04/2016 at 00:43:28
Ray Smith ;

My Man of the Match was Funes Mori, his goal was important but he is shaping up as a leader within the team. I agree he makes mistakes, most of them are when he over plays the ball, possibly under instruction.

I really like Mo Besic but today he looked as disinterested as Deulofeu.

Stones was good.

I disagree over Oviedo, had a absolute mare, made to look a clown time and time again.

Kone, Gibson, Osman all need these next few games to be there final Everton swan songs.

The two kids done great, in-form youngsters should have been available on the bench from January-February as the league season had been over since then, blooding youngsters gives the fans hope.

Biggest worry from today was Coleman's injury, but the lack of form of Mirallas, Deulofeu and Besic was equally worrying with the semi looming.

Dan Davies
184 Posted 17/04/2016 at 00:52:41
Bye bye, Hibbert, Osman, McGeady, Gibson, Pienaar, Kone'. Out with the old in with the new, it's time for our youngsters to be given their chance.

If we don't play them we will never know if they can make the big time. We have a handful of really good prospects who given an opportunity would do just as well as these senior professionals.

Let's play them!

Eric Myles
185 Posted 17/04/2016 at 03:34:51
Colin (#64), Moshiri didn't appear to be sitting anywhere near BK who had Tony Bellew next to him.
Paul Mackay
186 Posted 17/04/2016 at 04:08:58
Gibson- I have always liked him, I know he has been dogged by injuries but I can recall very few times where he has had a poor game for Everton. He was my MOM today and I just knew he would have a good game. People talk about him being injured "all of the time" but he has been available for selection for several months but RM just won't pick him. Given the system RM likes to play I would have him alongside Barry in midfield. McCarthy has been poor all season and yet he is a RM favourite so gets picked regardless. I can't see what the hype with Besic is about, he is not premier league in my opinion.

I still get very confused with RM's subs. Osman looked dead on his feet, had a poor game and kept giving the ball away, yet he kept Pienaar on the bench? Kone? Ineffective all game.

I think Martinez actually lost the players 12 months ago but they have been carrying on in silence, only now are we seeing a few starting to break ranks. A shame because I am now certain that whether we change manager at the end of the season or not some of our key young players will go.

The Niasse affair has to further evidence to the board that RM can't be trusted to spend money.

New manager, big name, the sort who could persuade players to stay and spend wisely on some new faces. That's what we need, lets make the change after the semi to Man Utd.

Timothy Blanshard
187 Posted 17/04/2016 at 04:53:36
Forty five years I have been a dedicated blues supporter, but today for the first time when we scored I felt nothing because I knew we were not going to hold on to our lead.

We can all see the talent at our club and that's what's so frustrating – nothing is clicking into place. I feel the team were so very close to being a new force in the Premier League. For me now that feeling has vanished and we have more chance of platting fog than we do of battering another team.

I'm numb watching my team always waiting for the worst to happen, at this point if nothing changes and soon RM will lose his players if he hasn't lost some already.

I don't dislike RM as a Man but as our Manager I think he might be out of his depth but I would love him to prove me wrong by winning all of our remaining games.
Mark Andersson
188 Posted 17/04/2016 at 05:08:23
I listened to the game with head phones on, all I could hear was Southampton fans and the odd groans from blues. No toxic remarks,... The fans have nothing to get excited about.

Ross must have permission from the manager to not tackle or track back. However he should at least try every now and then to keep the fans happy.

Richard Leeming-McHale
189 Posted 17/04/2016 at 07:28:50
Villa down... our form is just as poor... Kind of scary if things aren't changed before the start of next season. But I feel it in my bones that a change will be made. Which is kind of a shame, because we used to like him so very much; such a pity he turned out to be shit.
Les Netherwood
191 Posted 17/04/2016 at 09:19:33
It is just so terrible at the moment that you feel something must happen soon. We can forget the cup or anything else while this tosser of a manager is still here.

Some really good players have become pretty useless and are getting worse... others who have always been poor are selected to play (Kone... Deulofeu...).

Get rid of him and BK before we are relegated. Why ban Banners? They show how we all feel... it's clear and obvious how the majority of us feel.

Terence Tyler
192 Posted 17/04/2016 at 09:44:31
I just watched the Southampton goal again. I cannot believe the lack of effort and refusal to tackle in the build up to that goal by Barkley. This young man looks to me to be unfit, and overweight. Yes, he may score the occasional worldly goal, but the rest of the time, he is useless.

I don't no which is biggest: Barkley's arse or Lukaku's ego.

Tom Plant
193 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:55:20
Another shocking display, with the ONLY positive being a run out for the two young lads – especially Tom Davies. I would mainly agree with the comments regarding Funes Mori – I think with another manager he would be better still as he wouldn't be trying risky passes or dribbling out of defence as much!

There's surly no option other than to get rid of Martinez so why not do it NOW before the two only important games we have?! Give Dunc and Unsworth the reigns for the rest of the season, get 2-3 of the young lads in – Davies and Dowell in particular – and drop the likes of Kone for good, for fucks sake, before every Evertonian goes out of their minds...

Nathan Jones
194 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:57:16
I'm usually a glass half full type of person and not in sack the manager brigade. I was never in the noisey 'Moyes out' gang. I always thought that he took us from doing an Aston Villa to being the best of the rest, which given his resourses was probably unfortunately as good as it was going to get. Martinez job was to keep us there, or as we now had more money to break the top 4. The latter looked a tall, but possible order at the time, and this season looks eminently possible.

Unfortunately it looks like Moyes hard work has been undone and we are on the previous trajectory. We're not getting relegated this season, probably not next but sport is about momentum, building up speed in a certain direction and I don't like the way we are heading so, with a heavy heart, it's time to go Martinez and take your brown shoes with you.

As for the game yesterday, as with the Palace game, I struggled to watch it, so dull. But a few observations:

Gibson is a good midfielder, and good back up, he'll never be constant first choice due to his injury problems. That's why he only cost us £500k.

There have been screams for Besic to be included instead of Barry/McCarthy and now we know why he isn't. He was bought in the cheap as back with possible room to improve, and he's still there.

Niasse – oops. I think we've bought a dud. He's not unfit, he's not good. When we signed him I watched the YouTube clips and thought that the goals shown would not be scored in the premier league. Hope I'm wrong.

Kone – wasn't impressed when we bought him, not changed my mind.

Barkley and Lukaku – they get a kicking on here every week, but the slow crappy team we saw yesterday was the team without them. A 20-goal striker occupied in a way that Kone doesn't and Barkley's ability to do something different also sparks life to the team.

I hate it when fans shout play the kids, but as we have nothing to lose, let's play the kids. Though I think the best ones are out on loan...

Karl Meighan
195 Posted 17/04/2016 at 11:38:23
When a team is down on confidence and lacks quality then doing basics becomes massive, passion and will to win are all even below basic footballing skills and should not even have to be asked for.

Defending corners with the goalkeeper infront of the ball and neither post covered you wont find anywhere in any level of football other than at Everton, the sad thing is this way of doing things wont change with Martinez in charge.

A strong spine to the team thats down the middle "Roberto" and slowly building confidence by keeping clean sheets and defending as a team, stopping the ball coming in the box and allowing opponents 5 yards of space would be a start.

This apparently is are best squad for years how laughable them comments look after seeing the team and performance from yesterdays game.

Peter Jansson
197 Posted 17/04/2016 at 12:29:14
Martinez is the worst manager in the league. Get rid of him now for f sake. We will get relegated next year without a doubt if this continue.

And we don't want Benitez as a manager!!! He is also crap.

Sean Roberts
198 Posted 17/04/2016 at 19:10:59
i can't believe some people are saying they don't want us to wi the cup or are not bothered if we don't!!! We have won nothing since 1995!!! There are adults going to the game paying hard earned cash that have never witnessed an Everton captain lift a trophy!!! Unreal that you don't want to see it.

I saw it in the '80s and in '95 and there is no better feeling in football. I would love my 2 boys to see us win the cup. Would that mean Martinez keeps his job? None of us know that. It all depends on our new investor and how serious he is about building a side including a management team that can compete with the big teams.

After all, Manuel Pellegrini could possibly win the Champions League and we all know he will not be the ManCity boss next season!!!! Coybs

Les Netherwood
199 Posted 17/04/2016 at 22:35:57
You wonder if anybody listens to the supporters.... it's as though we don't count. Unless we get rid of Kenwright and Martinez very soon, we will be dragged down.

When will the new owner take over.. will it be the end of the season?

Surely we can't go on like this. Martinez has ruined Stones and Barkley and plays everyone out of position... Get shut soon please... Let it be a Martinez-free zone.

Roger Helm
200 Posted 17/04/2016 at 22:45:15
If we were starting from scratch, how many of our squad would we buy? For me, Robles, Funes Mori, Stones, Baines, Lukaku and Lennon.

Not McCarthy (can't pass forward or score), Coleman (lost his attacking spark), Jagielka (not big enough, or a leader), Barkley (overweight, lazy and inconsistent), Besic (not the quality needed), Barry (too near his sell-by date), Delofeu (doesn't produce goals or assists), Cleverley (yesterday's man), Oviedo (can't defend or attack particularly well), or any of the other crocks, has-beens, never-weres and never-will-bes in our huge squad. Can't say about the youngsters as they never get a fair go.

It always puzzles me why people say we have the best group of players since the '80s – I just can't see it.

Joe Clitherow
201 Posted 17/04/2016 at 23:16:45
As I have said before it is impossible to judge any player's merits under Martinez – his setup, coaching and fitness regime makes them all look bad. There is talent in our squad but it will never be realised under this clown.

We are past halfway through April, have not won a League match since 1st March, and still are not yet mathematically safe from relegation with only two relegation spots remaining which is a completely disgraceful situation given the state of the club he took over less than three years ago.

You don't need any more confirmation of the systematic (and very consistent with his track record) dismantling of a stable club into complete chaos than the last paragraph.

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