Martinez pleased with Palace point

by | 13/04/2016  114 Comments  [Jump to last]

Roberto Martinez says that the way his players responded to Crystal Palace's threat and then going down to 10 men in this evening's goalless draw represented an "incredible" peformance.

Everton found themselves under pressure from Crystal Palace from early on in the clash at Selhurst Park but despite struggling to consistently move the ball well, they managed to fashion some good openings in the first half while surviving a couple of close calls at the other end.

Their hopes of upping their game to try and win the match in the second half were critically undermined by a second yellow for James McCarthy who, after catching Yohan Cabaye with a late tackle in the first period was booked again for blocking off Yannick Bolasie early in the second.

It was a decision that Martinez questioned after the whistle but he was pleased with how his men fared overall.

Asked if he thought it was a decent point earned in the circumstances, the Catalan replied that he felt it was "more than decent."

"It's always tough to come here to this place and cope with direct play and defend the box well," the manager said. "To do that with 10 men is an incredible, positive performance.

"The resilience and the hard work that we had, the understanding that you have to have, to be able to be so disciplined and so solid...

"When you look at the whole game, we had as many chances as them. Joel Robles had to be at his best but Hennessey probably had equally as good actions.

"I think in that respect it was a really level game and when you see that we had to play with 10 men, it's an incredible, incredible feeling of satisfaction at that performance.

"I thought it was a yellow card at first glance. But it was a harsh yellow. McCarthy had nowhere to go and Bolasie looked for it."  

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Dan Davies
1 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:33:44
The fact he's still Everton manager is incredible.
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:35:18
What a manager!!!
Ste Traverse
3 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:35:38
He's off already with his embarrassing superlatives.

Nothing is 'incredible' when you only pick up a point at the mighty Palace.

Get him out now.

Patrick Carty
5 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:36:17
An away point at a struggling Crystal Palace side, incredible. That sums it up really.
Colin Glassar
6 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:42:25
To be fair to him Ste, I thought he was quite restrained with his post match comments. He did say we managed the game with 10 men better then we have in the past. Maybe he's found his magic formula, ie, start with 10 men in the next game.
Ian Bennett
7 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:42:27
Phenomenal effort by the players. Perhaps one actually did break sweat.
Kunal Desai
8 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:42:34
No point even commenting as he is beyond delusional.
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:42:37
Sad how far we have dropped but tonight felt like a real hark back to the Walter Smith and Mike Walker era, fighting down there for a point away to relegation rivals. Our win ratio under Roberto is dreadful to say the very least.

Give the players their due tonight, in the second half they dug in and fought for it when they could have lost it but there is no getting away from it; we are a poor poor team and I'm expecting the week from hell starting Saturday to not disappoint my low expectations.

No way is this team beating Man Utd at Wembley or winning at Anfield.

Gavin Johnson
10 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:43:27
I can't see how he can last until the summer if we don't beat Man Utd, such is the level of resentment from most quarters.
Paul Conway
11 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:45:36
The man is running out of superlatives, I am nearly sure that members of his entourage or family members are putting him wide to the pisstaking about his overuse of the word phenomenal, so he has replaced it with incredible. Or maybe he is just sneaking a peek at TW!

He only has himself to blame for not replacing McCarthy who is growing more into the Wigan player he once was! The lads saved his ass!
Craig Mills
12 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:49:14
Please tell me he didn't use the "I" word after serving up another dour performance..........the only things I thought incredible were how incredibly poor we were as an attacking threat and how incredibly stupid McCarthy was.

Let's see how he manages our incredible squad with what looks like 3 very tough games in the next 10 days. Southampton can be hit or miss, Liverpool will steamroll us at Anfield and I can't see Man Utd loosing too much sleep over us as Wembley looms...

Ray Robinson
13 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:51:34
Incredible is an incredibly over-used word. It's incredible that a man that uses the word incredibly as frequently as our incredible manager still has any credibility. Incredible!
Andy Thompson
14 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:55:37
Prepare the banners for Saturday....
Don Alexander
15 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:56:00
The dictionary definition of "incredible" is......."Impossible to believe". Nuff said.
Ian Burns
16 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:56:43
40 points... whoopee! Incredible – it is has only taken to mid-April – now that is what I call phenomenal – in fact it is incredible.

Incredible that it has taken so long, Roberto.

Jack Convery
17 Posted 13/04/2016 at 22:58:49
12th... Incredible!

Still not top of the also rans though.

Bill can surely give this guy a job designing the wording for his musical shows – Phenomenal, Incredible, Tremendous etc etc...

Daniel Fleming
18 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:01:54
Praise be to the footballing gods that we have been so truly blessed with the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa. Without their woeful generosity, we would be in a place that Roberto is all too familiar with. We have become an absolute shambles of a football club under this clown.

"What a manager"

Brett Jonathan
20 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:03:47
He got lucky. The sending off gave him a nice scapegoat this week.

0-0 at Palace is dire.
0-0 at Palace with 10 men is incredible!

Clutching at straws, Roberto.

Ian Jones
21 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:05:20
However, we are still in the FA Cup and a game against Man Utd who we are capable of beating. I would prefer them to West Ham. Think Man Utd are easier to predict how they will play. West Ham less so. We only lost the last game against Man Utd by 1. It was a poor game. Both teams were poor. I think we can ignore the first match at Goodison vs Man Utd as it was played against the back drop of Howard Kendall's death.

And if we can win that, we have an equally winnable game against Palace or Watford.

What a chance to secure some silverware! Might not get as good a chance as this for years...

Then... interesting times with the manager.

Nick Armitage
22 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:07:39
We actually had 9 players until Barkley got replaced. He is as lazy and disinterested as Martinez is bad.
Frank McGregor
23 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:09:11
Martinez's biggest mistake tonight was keeping Lakaku on the pitch. He should be dropped for the next game. The man needs a wake-up call.
Damian Wilde
24 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:14:47
What's incredible is the shit that comes out of his mouth. We'd be bottom of League Two and he'd still bang on about 'incredible moments'. I've worked clinically for 10 years and I've never come across something as odd as this, I'm baffled. Bizarre.

We drew (lucky to draw) against a crap Palace and it was 'incredible'. I don't know what to say, I really don't.

I give up.

Charlie Lloyd
25 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:17:22
Dull wasn't it.

We learnt that Lennon is better on the right. Barkley likes to labour around bar the odd dribble and Lukaku needs to sort his attitude out and understand he deserves to for the people who help pay his wages (the fans).

We already knew all this and more before kick off but nothing seems to change.

To be fair, we were quite solid and hung in there with a backs to the wall effort. At least we didn't capitulate after 52 mins, like I expected.

James Stewart
26 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:20:38
Hated seeing an Everton side constantly at each others throat, Robles yelling at Stones, Stones moaning at Robles, Lukaku constantly moaning when the ball didn't come, who on earth would want to play in that team. The work rate prior to the red card was simply amateur. Leicester don't behave like it so why should we.

A strong manager is needed to whip them into shape. Far too many individuals and nowhere near a team.

Matt Traynor
27 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:20:45
Colin #6 "Maybe he's found his magic formula ie start with 10 men in the next game."

Well, he did start with Kone... ;)

Jos Rowland
28 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:21:57
Good point, Nick. I've been saying for ages how lazy Barkley is and how little he brings to the team. In all honesty, when the game is open and there's plenty of space to run into he looks a world beater. However, we are that predictable and slow at the moment he offers next to nothing.

He can't defend; he just stands there looking at the man. He's 6ft-2in and can't even head a ball. He's apparently having a fantastic season but I can't remember his last goal or assist. Both him and McCarthy have offered nothing for weeks and weeks and, now Lukaku has his head on a return to Chelsea, it's like playing with 8 men.

Then add to that we have a clueless manager who constantly plays are best performer in Lennon out of position or takes him off! That's before even mentioning Niasse or Kone. No wonder were awful to watch jeewiz!!
Anthony Dwyer
29 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:27:45
It gets more difficult by the week to cope being a blue.

I sat and watched the game with my two lads (ages 7-10) who are both blue to the core, easily please season ticket holders. There was nothing in the room, no excitement, no optimism... nothing, just an acceptance that we were playing so we should watch.

Roberto has to go; it's quite simple, he's not good enough to manage in the Premier League.

Check everything stat there is to check, his record from the beginning of his management career to the present day, it all points to a man who is simply not up to the job.

His win percentage is abysmal, his defence is shocking, his after match interview is embarrassing, how long do we have to endure it all???

He has had 3 years to mould a team, or even to show signs of beginning to mould a team, yet he has continued to take us backwards.

Surely the board can see it? Even if they were only interested in money, they can't be pleased.

Any half decent manager would have us top 7, there's around 㾶m difference in prize money there alone. Then there's the wage bill, Martinez has handed out deals to the likes of Gibson and Hibbert without ever wanting them to ever play.

Moving onto his most recent purchase of Niasse, he's made him look an absolute clown without ever playing him. 㾹.5m to sit on a bench and not play, coupled with his wages, that has to be something the board have to notice. Even using excuses about how he expected the lad to become fitter quicker, this in itself is madness; he's got history already with buying players from Russia in January, and claiming there struggling with fitness, in McGeady.

Martinez has said Niasse has a wrist problem, maybe he should ask him to wear a support like Vardy has all season whilst banging goals for fun.

I mean come on, I'm 14 stone-odd, I'm sure even I could get match fit when all I have to do is actually get fit, not worry about bills etc. We have fitness coaches, ffs.

Funes Mori came in from Argentina and hit the ground running, surely Niasse can do 45 minutes here and there after having from January until mid-April to get up to speed.

Everyone has had enough now, Roberto won't walk away, he's fuckin useless but he's not that stupid. The board have to take action, whether it be now or after the semi-final / final, as if they don't then Martinez could relegate us next season.

Very worrying.

Patrick Carty
30 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:32:54
Anthony Dwyer (# 29) – spot on.
Paul Hewitt
32 Posted 13/04/2016 at 23:45:14
Pleased with a point at Palace. Sums the guy up.
Dennis Stevens
34 Posted 13/04/2016 at 00:00:31
No wonder Bobby's pleased: back-to-back draws! That kind of momentum could take us all the way to extra time!
Matthew Williams
35 Posted 13/04/2016 at 00:08:45
Our central midfield needs a complete overhaul. We need pace, strength, awareness and good strong passing ability. Until we get that were heading nowhere.

Barry and McCarthy will NEVER cut it, as I posted on here 3 years ago!.

Steve Barr
36 Posted 14/04/2016 at 00:16:15
Ian at #21.

I haven't seen anything to suggest we can beat anyone, let alone Man Utd – as bad as they are.

Steve Barr
37 Posted 14/04/2016 at 00:33:06
The BBC's headline sums up exactly where we are... "Palace held to a draw by 10-man Everton".


Jack Cross
39 Posted 14/04/2016 at 01:01:46
I don't know about listening to Martinez, but I'm bored to fucking death listening to all you spineless fans talking about the same shite. I think you just like seeing what you have fucking written. And all that's old news.

You want action, take it and don't go to the next home game. Those of you, that do go that is.

I won't be going again this season and if this buffoon is in charge next season, I won't be going then either.

If you really want him out do it, take positive action. And then what you write maybe of some interest.

Anthony Dwyer
40 Posted 14/04/2016 at 01:22:24
Jack Cross, your comments had real character to them, the points were phenomenal.

Glad someone on ToffeeWeb has shown real desire to take positive action at this key moment.

Peter Roberts
41 Posted 14/04/2016 at 01:23:00
Still see the best player to wear an Everton shirt since Dixie Dean was just isolated again... ooh I bet he can't wait to go and play in the Champions League against low level centre halves with team mates that play predictable passes to his predictable point and run routes and working off the ball isn't a requirement.

He will be the Belgian Inzagghi without the intelligence.

Garry Corgan
42 Posted 14/04/2016 at 01:23:10
I want to ask him if he thinks our results and performances are good enough. Anything other than a straight "no" would result in a kick in the bollocks, and an extra kick in the bollocks every day until he comes to understand what Nil Satis Nisi Optimum actually means.
Dennis Stevens
43 Posted 14/04/2016 at 01:47:29
Crikey! I know my old PC is a bit shite, but even so, I have to confess to being impressed that Jack Cross can actually hear these posts.

Oh, and well done too for having the backbone required to take the kind of direct action you mention. Y'know, just doing nothing at all really just like seeing what you have fucking written and on match days as well.

Paper hat and a medal!

Jack Cross
44 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:06:46
Anthony 40.

So what's stopping you from taking it?

Armchair supporter are you? That would be one reason. I wish I could say the same. Because this season as just been a complete waste of money down the drain.

Make all the snide remarks you want, that tells people more about you that me.

Peter Thistle
45 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:13:46
Pleased with a point against a relegation side sums him up. Cya Roberto, good luck finding a new club.
Ernie Baywood
46 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:19:58
I could find positives in that game.

But superlatives and even double superlatives. You're not doing yourself any favours, Roberto.

Derek Thomas
47 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:25:56
Colin @6; I don't think he's found anything, he may have stumbled upon it and or had it 'forced' on him by red card and 'injury'.

2 banks of 4, with 10 men; eg no Kone, is better than the 4-2-3-1 whatever it was he played - with Kone.

It wasn't as narrow for a start. All he has to do is see that, then find one from, Mirallas, Del, or Barkley to do a lot of work between the midfield 4 and Lukaku,

This weekends team and bench should be interesting to see...but probably won't be.

Jack Cross
48 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:26:24
Dennis 43.

So what action are you taking, Dennis?

David Barks
49 Posted 14/04/2016 at 02:26:28
It's the end of his third season with no big injury losses all season, and we scraped a draw to reach 40 points. There are no positives in achieving a 0-0 draw against a poor side at this point in his reign. That was yet another failure to win a game, it really is that simple. Failure after failure after failure.
Paul Ferry
50 Posted 14/04/2016 at 03:02:50
Lads, I think that your play on 'phenomenal' and 'incredible' is absolutely hilarious. 'What a manager' is equally hilarious. If anybody ever dares to call this hackneyed, cliched, tired, and boring... I swear by Jesus's wounds that you will have to fight me.

'Nothing is 'incredible' when you only pick up a point at the mighty Palace' (3)

Only! Down to ten men but we 'only' picked up a point. We 'only' reconfigured ourselves and played much more effectively down to ten and we ought to be ashamed of ourselves for that and to 'only' pick up a point away at Palace.

An excellent result in the circumstances. Puncheon was superb tonight. Might be worth a punt. I was very impressed by Robles and by the overall 'commitment' shown after we went down to ten (and Martinez's rejigging sadly upset by Lennon's injury who I thought was outstanding in that 10-minute or so window).

Alex Moore
51 Posted 14/04/2016 at 03:11:56
The Martinez bashing has long reached a comical point. Does he need to go? Yes. Are his post-match comments delusional? Yes.

Does he believe half the lip service he's providing in these post match interviews? No, and if anyone believes he does ,I've got some water front real estate I want to sell you.

Alex Moore
52 Posted 14/04/2016 at 03:13:45
I was however pleased with the fight the team displayed with ten men.

In some ways the quality of the execution of chances was better than a lot of our first half display.

Mark Andersson
53 Posted 14/04/2016 at 04:23:15
Well said, Jack Cross; however, your frustration and out burst is wasted. The whole point of being a football fan is the anticipation of the next game. We are all deluded. I think it would be brilliant if no fans turned up on Saturday, or they all turned up with banners, then left as the game started. The media are loving seeing us go down hill, they only want one team representing are great city.

By the way some funny posts, it's got to that stage where you have to laugh after all the crying we have done.

Billy Boy, you insult every Everton fan when you say you're one of us. Get shut of your manager and make thousands of real Everton fans happy.

Brian Porter
54 Posted 14/04/2016 at 06:09:45
What an incredibly incredible performance in clinging on to earn a point against an incredibly incredible Crystal Palace team who were in an incredible moment in their season, matched only by the incredible moment we found ourselves in. Arouna Kone in his first start since Noah was a lad showed his incredible potential for playing superb pin point passes to the opposition, an incredible moment matched only by Romelu Lukaku's incredible display of doing nothing to earn a big move to a Champions League club.

Our incredible manager as usual displayed his usual incredible in-game management by subbing our best player, Aaron Lennon after starting him out of position and then incredibly trying to kid us he was injured. The incredible look on Lennon's face when his number went up told the true story and his anger at being pulled was clear to see if you watched his reaction while talking to Tim Howard on the bench after coming off.

So, another incredible performance followed by another incredible post match speech by our incredibly incredible manager. Only one thing I can say ... phenomenally incredible!


Peter Barry
55 Posted 14/04/2016 at 06:14:09
We are only a point behind mighty Bournemouth – and that about sums up Roberto's abilities.
Peter Barry
56 Posted 14/04/2016 at 06:20:23
Well, that's our 'phenomenal' form run of three away games without a win so it's back to Goodison where we hardly EVER win these days.

'What! - A Manager?'

Phil Walling
58 Posted 14/04/2016 at 06:56:04
When Martinez finally arrives in the metaphorical graveyard of failed Everton managers, he will be laid in a remote corner next to Mike Walker. His memorial stone will read: WHAT À MANAGER!

He incredibly managed the phenomenal feat of transforming Everton into his beloved Wigan. May we now rest in peace.

James Kirrane
59 Posted 14/04/2016 at 07:21:22
This clown is turning our club into a laughing stock. A quote from today's Guardian, '...but his (Martinez's) insistence that the timing of his team's performance had been “perfect” felt rather baffling.'

He has been baffling Everton fans for the last two years and it appears the players as well.'

Talk about clutching at straws.

Tom Plant
60 Posted 14/04/2016 at 07:23:16
Another lacklustre non-descript performance. How the ever more delusion Martinezcan see that being incredible is incredible!

He's got to go NOW – give the job to Dunc and Unsworth for the rest of the season and let's see some fight and passion and maybe we could get something out of this season.

Then it's time to appoint a genuine winner – Simeone, De Boer, Koeman please. All 3 of these would attract some top names but more importantly bring through youngsters into the first team.

We can't waste the talent coming through such as Dowell, Williams, Evans and Davies. Needs to be a protest at Goodison this weekend to help force the issue before it's too late....

Joe Foster
61 Posted 14/04/2016 at 07:30:25
Possibly the most hated manager ever.
Dick Fearon
62 Posted 14/04/2016 at 07:43:55
The bloke is on £3 million per annum. That comes to £57,690 per week.

As said by Liberace, he must cry all the way to the bank.

John Louis Jones
63 Posted 14/04/2016 at 07:49:02
The game was two teams that looked like they could be in a relegation scrap next season, It was really that poor.

Martinez Out.

Chris James
64 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:08:19
The fact that we're somehow pleased (or at least content) with 2 points from trips to Watford and Palace when we're lying in 12th position with 6 and 12 points off a European spot, (17 behind the Champions League position that Martinez supposedly pledged to push us towards) in a wide open season, is really all that needs to be said.

Not good enough. Next.

Anthony Dwyer
65 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:19:07
Jack Cross 44;

Not a arm chair fan mate, no. Dad of two season ticket holders, season ticket holder myself too btw. 3 season tickets in my household, all paid for by me. I'd agree, a total waste of money. I'm taking no action other that not singing the managers name etc.

Just don't like it when someone like yourself decides it's time to come on ToffeeWeb and tear strips out of people (comment 39).

Your idea of boycotting the game holds absolutely no sway at all when it's just one fan, in what I can only describe as what appears to be a drunken rant.

Instead of calling fans spineless fans who talk shite and don't go the game, maybe you could address people with the same respect you want addressing with.

Whilst you spend your time shooting everyone down for there opinions, you can't possibly expect to have anyone take your rant seriously.

You then claim people only write on ToffeeWeb to see "what they have fuckin write". This is clearly what you have done, proven by the fact you have checked on your comment an hour after posting to see what type of response you got.

I understand your frustration Jack, I even understand your stance on not going the game whilst that clown is in charge of the club, but I don't think your one empty seat will do anything to force him out.

Steve Pugh
66 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:19:26
The only reason we got a draw is because Palace are incapable of scoring a goal.

Like Jack, I will not be going to Goodison again as long as Martinez is in charge.

Brent Stephens
67 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:24:14
Paul Ferry, an island of sanity in that comment.
Mark Rankin
68 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:38:26
Part of what we need to address is the mix of personalities in the team, there is a reason teams with John Terry, Tony Adams, Dave Watson, Roy Keane etc. we're successful and – despite Barry's effort to do this for us – we lack a commanding figure on the pitch.
Nick Entwistle
69 Posted 14/04/2016 at 08:44:04
"...and last night Crystal Palace and Everton move a point each further away from the relegation zone"

Harsh from the BBC sports guy, but hardly unfair.

Anthony Dwyer
70 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:20:08
Mark Rankin 68; Couldn't agree more mate.

Jags has been a great servant, and in my opinion has a few good years left in the tank, but he's not the same commanding figure as the above mentioned in your comment.

We lack genuine leaders all over the park, aswel as in the dressing room.

If we can get a strong manager, I believe he could push for certain players to become stronger figures throughout the team as well as adding some of his own.

McCarthy should look across the park at Henderson. I literally can't stand the lad, he's one little gob shite, that said it's what the RedShite need, so he's trying to step up to the mantle. Mccarthy isn't a kid no more, he needs to become more vocal on the pitch, he needs to create an aura about himself were as he demands respect.

I believe Stones has the ability to become a leader, he's brave in possession and he's vocal, even at his young age. Hopefully he will be around to push on this further.

Barkley isn't vocal at all, but if he was fitter and more demanding of the players around him to give him the ball, he could easily become a leader. Not a captain, but an on the pitch leader who leads by example, similar to a Frank Lampard style.

Funes Mori is a typical south America defender, he could become a true leader within the side, again, not the captain, but the type of guy who barks out orders, and hounds referees, a bit like Ricardo Carvaleo did at Chelsea.

Successful sides need more than a captain, they need leadership all over the park and on the side lines.

The best example of this is Man Utd 90s side.

Schmeichel was a loud mouth lunatic. Gary Neville was horrible too, always calling for decisions and getting away with screaming in refs faces. Rio was a leader, when he spoke to his team mates or the ref, they listened. Vidic lead by example, brave and robust, exactly what Mori could become. Scholes, Giggs, Beckham all lead by example, gave there all every match, without being loud or aggressive, but it was clear they would give anything for the shirt. Keane was the main man on the pitch though, a true example of a captain, an on the field warrior who took no prisoners, no shit and was respected by all.

Then there was Fergie, with him behind the team, they could get away with almost anything, they knew he had there backs, they knew he wouldn't stand for anything less than 100%, nothing like Roberto.

Everything needs to change, starting with the mindset of the owners of the club.

Kenwright embarrassed the club when he was on TV with Moshiri lately when he was almost crying over a semi-final.

We have small club mentality from top to bottom, if we want to kick on the mindset has to change. Morshiri needs to show the fans that Martinez management is simple below par, he needs a big name manager who will whip the lads I to shape and show them what leadership is about.

Martin Mason
72 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:28:11
Jack@39 is absolutely correct. If you're unhappy with the product then don't buy it. That is the only language that they will recognise. Either don't go or even better empty the ground at a given time. Complaining on this forum isn't taking action.
Jim Bailey
73 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:28:21
Reporter: You look happy tonight Roberto.

Roberto Martinez: I am ,we have just put in a chemistry laden phenomenal display against a top top side and we have a well deserved point, and all with ten men.

REP: Yes indeed Roberto, and a clean sheet as well.

RM: Please say that again, it sounds soooo good.

REP.. No. So two games unbeaten, do you think Everton have turned a corner now?

RM: Yes absolutely. We displayed fantastic mentality, and when we were in a bad moment after the sending off, we quickly got into a good moment mentally and showed incredible desire, I am incredibly proud of my team this evening.

BK heard in background: "Worra manager, eh boys, worra manager!"

RM: Big cheesy grin to camera.

REP: So Saints at Goodison on Saturday Roberto, how do you think the fans will react?

RM: Loses big cheesy grin. Well they should be incredibly pleased at the last two results, both phenomenal displays by a young team with amazing potential. We are in a big big moment of the season now and need to turn Goodison into a fortress again, and I think our incredible fans can make that happen.

REP: Stifles laughter. Do you think there will be any banners as displayed against Watford?

RM: I hope not. The fans have seen the amazing chemistry we have now and the incredible spirit we have shown through the last two incredibly difficult away games. If however some ungrateful fans do wave banners, then I will not see them.

REP: Good luck with that then Roberto.

RM: Thank you

Martin Nicholls
75 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:31:26
Credit where it's due, lads – how many of you thought we'd lose this game after going down to 10 men with nearly half the game to go? Might not have been "incredible" by most people's definition of the word but in the end it was a decent, hard earned point.

And before anyone asks, yes I do want Martinez out and have done since Xmas 2014.

Carl Sanderson
76 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:32:00
'We have small club mentality from top to bottom, if we want to kick on the mindset has to change.'

Absolutely right. A losing mentality, in fact. That won't change until Kenwright and Martinez both bugger off.

John Louis Jones
77 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:32:18
Martinez has been quoted by the Belfast Telegraph

"Ready" for the Man Utd game?

On last night's showing? What the hell is he going on about.

Please get rid of this idiot.

Craig Walker
78 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:40:31
Everton are The Incredibles. Next season's kill will be a blue shirt with a yellow and black 'i' emblazoned in the middle.

Martinez is Mr Incredible. Bob by day, living a mundane life, sitting in his home office thinking back to better days gone by when he gets a secret mission by a mysterious silver-haired agent (Kenwright). The mission is to save something which needs saving (Everton) and make people realise that the world is a better place when super heroes are out there, prospering and putting smiles on people's faces (Everton).

Graeme Jones is Elastigirl (Mrs Incredible). Faithful to Mr Incredible but doesn't really add anything. Has the ability to change shape but always reverts back to her normal self. Can be useful though by changing into a parachute during freefall.

Gerard Deulofeu is Dash. Very fast but young and makes mistakes. Mr Incredible doesn't like him competing in many competitions because he's too fast and others will realise his talent and want a part of him.

Ross Barkley is Violet. Young and talented but has the ability to disappear when under threat.

Lukaku is Frozone. Definitely got amazing ability, can be really cool at times but doesn't show his talent enough and won't stick around for too long.

Bill Kenwright is Edna. Makes sure the team has a good kit deal which doesn't make them look ridiculous. Doesn't always get this right.

Claudio Ranieri is Syndro. He's come out of hiding and made a machine that's crushing everything. Mr Incredible's job is to try and stop him.

Sam Hoare
79 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:42:35
I didn't get to watch last night but it sounds like at least we showed some more resilience and game-management, traits that have been sorely missed all season. A point with 10 men at Palace is a decent if not good result in isolation, it just does little for our current position or indeed mood. Just a shame that it seems so hard to get our defence and our attack to both function well in the same match.

It all rests on the cup.

Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 14/04/2016 at 09:53:52
When we lost to Wigan in the cup, I said I would no longer go to Goodison, and put up with Moyes and Kenwright, in it together!

I never did go, but carried on watching Everton away from home. Luckily/unluckily for me it didn't last long and we got a new manager. The first season was enjoyable under Martinez, even if I felt the crowd was losing its atmosphere.

I put it down to the different style of play, and thought that Highbury was called a library because maybe when people are getting entertained they don't have to jump about as much? (The entertainment? Well it didn't last long.)

If you feel the way you do Jack, I understand you staying away. I can't blame the manager no longer, though (well not until he opens his mouth), but whoever is in charge has got to change something right now. It's painful.

My son who is two and a half, is even singing Everton are rubbish. (Blame the in laws, I know) but he went past Goodison and said to his mum, I've been there with me dad. They went past Anfield and he said that's a castle. (Not nice)

I've got a fucking battle on me hands, I'll tell yer, so someone better do the right thing for all of us right now! Even if his twin sister keeps telling everyone that Kopites are Gobshites! (Not nice but only because she's only two!)

Something just come to me, maybe we are the Gobshites for putting up with so much shite. I've seen shite before, and fought my blue corner, but when Martinez opens his mouth, I find him very hard to defend. It's very very sad, wishing to be deaf.

I've told my son to keep saying The Manager is rubbish, when he sings his little song.

John Jennings
81 Posted 14/04/2016 at 10:02:28
Jack, and others talking about direct action, I think it goes deeper than 'Martinez Out' banners at the next game. Although that is fine and the sooner this man leaves our club, the better, as we are getting closer to realising Dave Whelan's famous quote of 'Roberto will take Everton to places they have only dreamt of'.

Almost correct. Replace 'dream' with ' have nightmares about' (i.e. the Championship) and he was spot on. We should be taking the opportunity of having a new majority shareholder on board to start developing a relationship with him (and others) where fans have a stake, and a voice, in the club and how it runs.

I am probably as bad as everyone else in whingeing about the manager, and then hoping it will all turn out okay and two wins against the RS and Scum Utd will make everything fine again. It won't. Martinez is a nightmare manager and the club is not well run, especially for the benefit of the most important people - us, the fans. So, I have taken the plunge and bought a share (the missus wasn't too happy, but understands it keeps me occupied). At least now I can go to shareholder meetings, vote (I think), ask difficult questions and meet with like-minded Blues.

Can we create a Blue Barcelona and have a fan-owned club that wins trophies and is a force for good in the community? Why not?

I have good friends who are Leicester fans, They dared to dream and look what happened... They also hired a coach who can organise a team to defend leads. Mr Martinez, are you listening....?

Tim Constable
82 Posted 14/04/2016 at 10:34:46
My feeling from the stands was that the fans and players alike were torn between wanting to win for the club but at the same time not wanting a win to prolong his time at the club.

That was how I felt at least, I've never been so unenthusiastic about traveling to a game. I felt the players did just enough for a draw but there was no danger of them going the extra mile and winning the game. I'll be surprised if we win again this season.

Mike Allen
83 Posted 14/04/2016 at 10:36:03
We got out of jail, Palace missed four six-yard box gilt-edged chances; the first 20 minutes was as bad as it gets.

Not Kone's fault that he gets picked but last nights selection made no sense whatsoever especially who he picked for the bench.

Lukaku is a moaning passenger if doesn't score, Barkley clueless without the ball, and not much better with it, is he not allowed to challenge for the ball jogs few yards then backs off as a footballer he's a dunce.

I think big Joe has done the right thing by arranging loans for so many good young players because this manager is ruining careers and are better off away from it all till he's gone.

Mark Rimmer
84 Posted 14/04/2016 at 11:30:48
If a deal has already been done for Lukaku, drop him for Niasse.

If a deal hasn't been done yet, but is going to happen in summer, drop him for playing crap, say he's slightly injured to maintain value, play Niasse.

If no deal is done or due to be done, drop him for playing crap and play Niasse.

If Niasse is crap.....we're screwed.

Scott Hall
85 Posted 14/04/2016 at 11:44:50
To use the word incredible twice, is in itself, incredible.

If you went to the Santiago Bernabeu and won the game 4-0, you might at that point be justified in describing the performance and result as incredible... incredible!

But 0-0 away to Crystal Palace? Sorry Roberto, not even one incredible is acceptable. It was an average, average result from your average, average team.

Or is 'average' too much of a compliment?

Lee Brownlie
86 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:16:22
I've tried to stay with him, I really have..

.. hanging in there, wishfully clinging to the now forlorn dream that some pretty football and the odd burst of goals, even when we so often then threw it away, really might somehow, magically, one day give us the great team and consistent results we all crave.. but I, like so many others of us as I know, just can't do it any more!.. and it's just 'incredible' (and I am incredulous!) that even now, with pretty much ALL the fans clearly on his back, RM still refuses to drop the BS post-match colourisation of such gloomy, unenlightening fare!!

End of the day, it might be okay if we felt that the PLAYERS believed his words (as HE clearly thinks!) and so might, possibly at least, be inspired to live up to them.. but it's pure bullshit atop bullshit and THEY, just as WE, KNOW IT!!! Thing is, I don't hate the guy... I think he really has done his best, insofar as what he will ever be able to achieve with us (ANYONE!!?), ie, the team's occasional 'flatter to deceive' seeming swagger and result(s), clearly unsustainable in this, his, set-up.

Facts are, nice-guy Roberto does not and will not, learn. Not about how to motivate or use and organise the team, or its individuals, to it's fullest, nor about how to keep the them and we fans fully on his side. Maybe he thought that because all football fans love to call the referee a 'wanker' then all he had to do was constantly bemoan their dodgy calls against us and we'd all be rallying behind him and singing together from the same blue hymn-sheet!! Further, maybe he thought he could create the 'siege-mentality' so many managers have used before.. except just running to the press every time and talking like we'd otherwise 'got that one in the bag' and 'didn't we do well, actually?' just didn't and doesn't, do it. You gotta stir the troops up from within, too, shout and cajole them into total fight-readiness, willing to 'die' for the cause and all that!! (you know what I mean!)..

Sadly, as always under RM, all these endless back-to-reality games continue only to get re-packaged by the man himself and sold back to us and the media alike almost as if all this is really just some trippy extension of that wondrous picture of himself and that shiny FA Cup trophy he keeps above his bed!! ('Soon.. soon..' he must pray to it, nightly, before sleep!). Well, maybe you'll even get that wish, Roberto.. maybe, and we all hope so, of course, because WE ARE EVERTON and it's only part of what we feel we should be competing for, year in year.

And herein lies the crux of the matter.. sadly, for us, club and the team, AND for the man himself, our Roberto is way, way, too far out of his league, character and abilities wise, for a club that really does still aspire to be back 'up there'. And that's it, really. (Sorry, did I go on?). End of chat, then.

Dave Ganley
87 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:32:57
Sort of sums us up now..."incredible performance" at a fellow lower league struggler. Pitiful!!

We are reaching the depths of the mid 90s now.....only that team had more home wins.

Gutted not to read he's been sacked this morning.

Jim Bailey
88 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:38:05
Dave @88...

Only a matter of time now surely, I can't wait.

Nick Armitage
89 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:40:41
Peter Roberts 41- exactly who is the best Everton player since Dixie Dean?

I can name 20 in my time as a fan who are better than anything we've got now. That's without seeing Latch, Labone, Ball, Kendall, Harvey etc etc etc.

Tony J Williams
90 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:47:58
Nick, I think (at least I hope) that post was entered with a massive dollop of sarcasm.
Shaun Traynor
91 Posted 14/04/2016 at 12:51:49
He promised us Champions League, when in reality he is happy with 0-0 draw against the mighty Crystal Palace following 1 win in the last 6 games, which came against Villa. Do you think he watches his press conferences back and thinks 'fucking hell blagged that one'.

I was at the game last night and when the crowd started singing 'We're on the march...' you could just sense and hear no one wanted to say 'Bobby's army'.

I also watched so many players on that pitch looking to him and pointing in directions as if they didn't know where they were meant to be.

Seeing Kev being given instructions in the 72nd minute to then be brought on 15 mins later?

We are a shadow of the team we once were and that is down to Martinez and Jones.

On a positive note – I thought the back 4 did well and showed fight, Robles pulled off some great saves.

Now, let's see what happens with this board meeting today!

Dave Ganley
92 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:03:50
Martin #72, problem is that most of us have already bought the product in advance via season tickets....and the daft ones among us (and I include myself in this) have already bought the product for next season too.

I have had a season ticket for years and I refuse to let myself be driven away by this man (more fool me, you may think). I will be here long after he has gone. I like where I sit and I like the people around me. We have all been there for years.

I do like the idea of everybody leaving at a prearranged time in the game though. That will make a more powerful statement I think. Maybe Jack Cross could help in the taking of positive action?

James Royston
93 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:14:23
Tony Steele
94 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:19:33
This is a clear lowering of expectations for the team and club. I want to think he's handling the players with care as confidence is so low, but Martinez is incapable (at least publically) of hairdryer treatment.
Steve Hopkins
95 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:26:19
Can't remember who said this the other day but it had me in stitches, amazing what a couple of question marks will do.

What? A manager?

Ray Roche
96 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:30:16
James (#94),

Hmmm. not sure what that would do for the atmosphere in the ground. Or team morale.

Aren't we above that sort of thing at Goodison? A bit of cushion throwing is still my choice... now, where did I put my cushion?

Tom Bowers
97 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:32:27
Let's face it, guys – Everton will be in tough shit no matter who they play these days.

They have become toothless and still play very sloppily in the middle of the park. Dropping 4 points to teams like Watford and Palace is not acceptable for a team like Everton. They can't even use Goodison as an excuse.

Thank God for Villa, Barcodes, Sunderland and the likes for being at the bottom a that's likely where Everton would be now on this form.

Ernie Baywood
98 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:32:58
I don't think anything would be too extreme is it? Whatever it takes to make it clear to our owners that he's out of time.
Denis Richardson
99 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:39:44
Crowd reaction on Saturday is going to be very interesting, would not be surprised to see a few empty seats at GP. Seems like all the players and most fans have already written this season off and everyone is only focused on the derby and semi next week.

Come 24th April the season may well be truly over and Martinez can contact the local estate agent to put his house on the market.

Only positive things to come out of last night was that we didn't lose and somehow kept a clean sheet whilst avoiding injuries. 0-0 seemed to suit both managers, which says it all at this stage of the season.

James Royston
100 Posted 14/04/2016 at 13:55:25
Hi Ray..

I am 77 years old and well remember the cushions but they are not there any more. I don't think you can lower the team morale much more than we can all see now with constant bickering between themselves.

Unfortunately it seems the board can't or do not want to see it and maybe they do not read it either. Perhaps they might be able to hear it, get the message and think about the possible long term financial implications like relegation.

I presume your cushion comment was tongue in cheek but the danger is that some idiot may do something or throw something a lot more dangerous than cushions...

Ray Roche
101 Posted 14/04/2016 at 14:17:44
Yes, James, I remember the cushion throwing well, too. Still makes me smile to think of it. Talk about letting your feelings show....let's hope no one does anything so stupid as to hurl a really dangerous object.

It's sad to see our club with what appears to be such a low morale, they don't appear to have any camaraderie at all, it's probably as bad as I can remember and my first match was in '59. The sooner Martinez falls on his sword the better.

Phil Walling
102 Posted 14/04/2016 at 14:24:19
Sacked on the back of two draws away from home and just a week away from a derby and a rare trip to Wembley? Absolutely no chance!

Only the directors of the likes of Leeds, Orient and Charlton behave like that. However loud the mob bays, it will have little impact on Everton's decision makers either new or old.

Be patient, dear friends. Let the dust settle on the season and lets see what happens. Who knows, we may yet end up as FA Cup winners and higher in the league than last season. Stranger things have happened.

Jim Lloyd
103 Posted 14/04/2016 at 14:27:00
James; 101

I liked your earlier post about chanting "Everton are magic but Martinez is tragic..." It shows we're behind the team and giving them all the encouragement we can but lets the manager and the Board know who we hold responsible.

I was going to say morale is low but it looks like it's gone out the window. I think how the crowd willed the team on against Chelsea was the only way we can possibly influence results.

Pete Ellingham
104 Posted 14/04/2016 at 14:48:06
As a few others have said, no chance they are going to get rid of him before the semi-final. If we lose against Man Utd I personally believe he will be sacked immediately.

Not sure who I would try and get in to replace him but I would insist on somebody that has passion and someone that can get the team fit again. Not a Mark Hughes though, that would be truly awful!

On another point If Lukaku wants to go, let him. If Stones wants to go, ta ta then. Only people that want to wear the shirt and wear it with pride are welcome. Then we can have our team back again.

Nicholas Ryan
105 Posted 14/04/2016 at 14:51:06
James Royston
106 Posted 14/04/2016 at 15:25:05
I know my Magic/Tragic comment has been used before but it was effective publicity then & could be now.

My first match was 1947 with my dad holding my on a barrier in Gwladys Street.It was the Boys Pen after that one seeing lots of great times & trophies since.

I don't know how much longer I will be around and I would love to see another. I agree, the manager going now just may not be wise? But my concern is be for the club future that's given me some fantastic occasions league's Wembley's, Bayern Munich semi-final, Rotterdam etc. but what of next season if this guy stays??? Very doubtful.

Who should replace him? I don't know but I believe there would be a queue of decent applicants maybe some even looking, thinking & hoping right now.

Jack Cross
107 Posted 14/04/2016 at 16:02:42
Anthony 65.

Where in my post did I say that I wasn't going to reply to any comments?

My post is a drunken rant, you say. 7 years ago that may have been the case. But present day, Anthony, sadly due to ill health not a drop can pass my lips. But that's life isn't it mate.

You say me not going won't make the slightest bit of difference. The point I was making – if everyone followed suit it would make a difference.

But hey, I'm doing what sits well with me. I'm only sorr! I didn't do it sooner.

You buy your kids their season tickets, good on you Anthony.

As for me showing disrespect to fellow ToffeeWebbers. Do you mean like you showed me? Accusing me of a drunken rant. I mean I was going by their posts on Martinez, the team and Kenwright. What were you going by using the word drunk? A very wrong choice of word there Anthony.

But hey, I'm thick skinned and we can all use the wrong choice of words at times, including me.

Ged Simpson
108 Posted 14/04/2016 at 16:35:01
Mr Ferry... miss ya.

But still great to have a semi-psychotic, semi child-like exchange.

Yes, Michael... waiting for it.

Ged Simpson
109 Posted 14/04/2016 at 16:40:04
By the way, Mr Ferry. The staff miss ya too.
Dan Parker
110 Posted 14/04/2016 at 16:54:59
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, the football under Martinez is something quite atrocious, phenomenal, lost again, incredible performance, Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Bobby Riddaway
111 Posted 14/04/2016 at 16:56:08
I thought we showed great resilience, especially Robles who was great. Stones who ran back and got a great challenge in when went up for a corner.

Pitch was tiny – my first visit – so I think on Wembley we will have a great fast attacking edge with Baines on wing and Lukaku and Barkley.
Peter Jansson
112 Posted 14/04/2016 at 17:23:56
Martinez is like my old grandparents. They always told me that I was the best at about everything. It ended up with me thinking that I was a genius that knew everything. The reality came back to me pretty hard as I grew up.

According to Martinez 0-0 to crystal palace was incredible. Is the man drunk or insane? This is the worst team in the league the last 20 rounds.

He had been talking about Champions League... yesterday I think we looked like a bad Championship team at best. Swapping between Atletico Madrid - Barcelona and Crystal Palace - Everton; it made me realize that we are light-years behind Champions League quality.

He comes out with the same shit formation that clearly does not work and players that look far far away from their best.

One more season with Martinez and we will be relegated. This clown has to be removed immediately.

Trevor Peers
113 Posted 14/04/2016 at 17:45:31
In Roberto's world a draw is like an incredible win. Having luckily passed the magic 40 points he has given renewed hope to his believers, who like Kenwright are convinced he's a great manager but has just been terribly unlucky for the past 2 seasons.

And if he provides a long overdue home win against Southampton it will be further incredible proof, to them, his star is rising again fast. The two games after that are the real test though.

Most of us are still convinced he's a disaster. Let's hope he proves us all wrong, it has to be his very last chance.

Rob Halligan
114 Posted 14/04/2016 at 18:37:03
I spent nearly thirteen hours in total on the coach down to Palace yesterday. Seven hours going and five and a half coming home. Got home at 3:50am, and Roberto is satisfied with a point. Ah well, beggars can't be choosers!!

To be fair though, can see where he's coming from. After McCarthy was sent off, I thought we were the better team, until palace got a grip and put us under some pressure. Not sure about the second yellow for McCarthy. Yes was probably a foul, but did it warrant a yellow card? I'm not sure, but then again there was a whacking big concrete post blocking my view of the incident!!

Paul Ferry
115 Posted 14/04/2016 at 19:13:52
Thanks for the support Rob (Halligan). Folks like you are the lifeblood of this club. Can I be the first to let toffee-webbers know that you are retiring from work tomorrow old ars'. Congratulations!

Ged mate (109), miss you too. Hope you are taking care of the pheasants and peasants.

Dave Ganley
117 Posted 14/04/2016 at 22:11:09
Fucking hell... here is Martinez talking about how incredible a point against Palace is and the RS have performed fucking miracles again..

Fucking Everton do my head in, accepting mediocre shit like this. It's no wonder we get called the bitters.

Fucking way the club is run, it's no surprise we're so fucking bitter!! We tolerate this shit any longer and we deserve exactly what we get.. jack shit!!

Damian Nolan
118 Posted 14/04/2016 at 22:23:06
Anyone think RM could pull off what Klopp did? Not in a million years. Thomas Tuechel will be wishing he could sub-contract the post match interview to RM.

He would just need to know the German for "I know we lost and threw away a comfortable lead but we were phenomenal."

Anthony Dwyer
119 Posted 15/04/2016 at 01:18:59
Jack Cross (#105).

Fair play mate, was poor judgment to say you had a drunken rant, I was a bit annoyed that I'd sat and commented on this subject only for you to shoot it down as being 'sick of all you spineless fans talking shit'.

We're all passed off atm, no hard feelings.

ps: Your idea of boycotting the game would hold sway if you put it out there properly; something needs doing to show the owners that we have had enough. The money is were it hurts the owners the most, but sadly my entrance fee has been payed in May last year.

Here's to happier times blue.

Jack Cross
121 Posted 15/04/2016 at 04:25:46
Anthony 120.

Same here mate no hard feelings. We all want the same thing some success. Hopefully it will come in the FA Cup. I really feel we will win it.

Let's hope we can and it would great for your kids to celebrate. The season won't seem wasted then.


Rob Baker
122 Posted 15/04/2016 at 07:03:46
Did he mean credible, as if so, 0-0 away from home with 10 men was that. If not, it's just another hyperbole tripping off Roberto's tongue.
Anto Byrne
123 Posted 15/04/2016 at 12:14:55
On 60 minutes – 60 goals, Dixie Dean – we can just exit the game and say, "Fuck this shit". It says more than banners or chants.

No words – just walk away... it's not good enough – we are not going to watch this rubbish anymore... and not going to listen to the Incredible One.

Paul Andrews
124 Posted 16/04/2016 at 08:23:34
Rob Halligan's post explains a lot.

It does my head in when I hear "He has lost the dressing room... players don't want to perform for him"...

If you want to behave like little girls and don't want to play for the manager that's up to you. Perform for the lads who took one day off work then went in the next day after 3 hours sleep.

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