Was Leighton Baines right to question the chemistry at Everton?

11/04/2016  10 Comments  [Jump to last]
Adam Bate takes a look at the unmistakable impact that the loss of key partnerships like the Baines-Pienaar axis coupled with degrading performance on the defensive side has led to Everton's declining fortunes under Roberto Martinez.

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Anthony Dwyer
1 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:59:38
Someone had to do or say something; this has started the ball rolling in removing Martinez from his post.
Eugene Ruane
2 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:30:01
Anthony - 'Someone had to do-say something, this has started the ball rolling in removing Martinez from his post.'


He's being removed from his post?

Or is that just more of the kind of wishful-thinking passing as news/fact that has filled recent TW threads.

"I now want him gone now" became "Fuck off Martinez!!" which became "He's gone now surely!" and ended up "Who do you want next?" etc etc.

Meanwhile, the only post I've read that sounded like someone knew something (I know, doesn't mean it was fact!) was yesterday, with someone claiming they'd spoke to a players dad (?) after the game on Sat and he said Martinez was going nowhere even if we lost the cup.

By the way, if we win the cup, my belief is there's no way he'll be sacked.

Anthony Dwyer
3 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:43:02
I agree Eugene, but I suppose it's just wishful thinking.
Jim Knightley
4 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:46:13
He won't be sacked if we win the cup but it is likely he will be, baring a miracle run of league results in my opinion. A player's Dad won't know the thoughts and feelings of the directors, but the arguments for him going are black and white.

After a record period of transfer spending, Martinez will deliver back-to-back bottom half finishes for the first time in 14 years. Arguably our best Premier League squad is massively underachieving, and the players know it, we fans know it, and the media is increasingly highlighting it.

The comments of Baines and Barry, and Lukaku's desire to leave suggest an intensification of internal dissatisfaction with Martinez, the like of which was also suggested by last season's team meetings about tactics.

Kenwright might not be the boldest of Chairmen, and we do not know what Moshiri will bring yet, but both will want progression, because progression is money. Moyes wasn't sacked because Moyes never had the money Martinez did, and brought out an obvious improvement on season's of bottom-half finishes. Martinez is doing what Moyes did in reverse – He is taking a top seven team and turning them into a bottom half team.

Managers do not stay in Premier League jobs when they regress a team without reason, and only pessimism should lead us to think Martinez will keep a job after two seasons of failure. I think Martinez knows it too, and his increasingly desperate comments will not endear him to us, the players, the fan base or the owners.

I just hope I'm right.

Also, give the job to a manager who can adapt. I'd love Eddie Howe to take over personally.

Tom Bowers
5 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:58:19
Baines was right. The chemistry is out of whack. Everton play all over the place but not as a tight knit formation. How else can a team concede so quickly after scoring especially against teams outside the top tier of the Premier League.

They don't work hard enough to close down and tackle where it matters when they are not in possession. However, as we all know, players are not to go public with their feelings even if they are correct.

Brian Porter
6 Posted 12/04/2016 at 00:33:12
I read the Sky article this afternoon and it was more damning than the earlier one in the Mail. Even Kenwright can't avoid the fact that the mainstream press are now on the case and the pressure will continue to build now with every bad result.

An American friend of mine just sent me a message having just watched the Watford game and his words were "Everton looked like they were rehearsing for playing in the Championship."

That's exactly where we're headed if Martinez is allowed to continue destroying our club. I hate to say it, but if our board can not be professional enough to do the right thing in the interests of the club, then after 57 years of supporting this great club, I for one will not be watching another game as long as Martinez is manager.

I'd rather lend my support to a team whose management wants the best for their club. I'll be off to Southport then.

Jim Bennings
7 Posted 12/04/2016 at 08:37:46
It's a disgrace that Baines was embarrassed in public for speaking the truth but, at the end of the day, Martinez has embarrassed himself more than Baines by bringing this topic the coverage. Baines is straight talking, he's hardly a rock the boat type of player is he.

When all is said and done, comparing David Moyes with Roberto Martinez is pointless now. Moyes lifted the initial gloom at this dying club in 2002 and gave us some pride and passion back. Sadly Moyes then became a glass ceiling manager.

Martinez however, you feel will never even reach that glass ceiling again in a bid to break it.

Moyes and Martinez.. Both managers with limitations, just that Moyes had more strengths and fewer weaknesses than Martinez.

Mike Allen
8 Posted 12/04/2016 at 10:15:10
Baines was not the only one to question his selections and tactics. We log on every day in hope his bosses have questioned him if not his tactics but what the hell is he talking about???
Jimmi James
9 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:13:25
Just to answer the question. Yes, Baines was right.

I'm just waiting for some of the others to question Martinez in the public domain.

Dave Abrahams
10 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:17:51
Brian (#6), there is a small piece in The Daily Mirror from Dave Kidd, having a go at Martinez. The media are picking up, slowly but surely, on what a mess Robbie has made of the Everton job.

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