Barry: We don't want another bottom-half finish

by | 11/04/2016  63 Comments  [Jump to last]

Gareth Barry admits that Everton need to play better as a team if they are to avoid the ignominy of a second successive finish in the wrong half of the Premier League.

A season that was anticipated with so much promise and optimism that last season's 11th-place berth was a temporary blip is on course to be worse than 2014-15 as the Blues languish in 14th place and it is leading to mounting supporter discontent.

As recent comments by Leighton Baines last week after the defeat to Manchester United and James McCarthy following Saturday's disappointing draw with Watford demonstrate, the players can't get away from the fact that the team as a whole is under-performing under Roberto Martinez and Barry is the latest to say that current results are not good enough.

“When you look at our league position, with the players we've got, we need to be higher. You can't argue about that,” veteran midfielder said in the Liverpool Echo.

“There is a lot of negativity around at the moment. We don't want to finish another season in the bottom half of the table.

“We need to make sure we start playing better together as a team,” the 35-year-old concluded, closely echoing the words of Baines from a week ago.

Barry returned to the starting line-up at Vicarage Road after serving a two-match suspension and contributed to a display that could only have been better than the preceding defeats to United and Arsenal but the Toffees had to be content with a draw after Jose Holebas cancelled out James McCarthy's opener.

Everton play the third of three consecutive away games on Wednesday evening when they face Crystal Palace where a win could lift them up to 11th.  

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Clive Mitchell
1 Posted 11/04/2016 at 15:49:32
Not having a go at Barry, but we weren't actually looking for a bottom 14 finish. There's a been a lot of talk this season, especially from Lukaku and Martinez. Precious little talk from the likes of Spurs and Leicester. That's why you're not Champions League, Rom. You're accountable like the rest of the team. Learn to lead before you dare to walk.
Andrew Burns
2 Posted 11/04/2016 at 15:53:42
Martinez will go but not before the season end or just before. No player is committed to play thier hearts out for Martinez and no player has come out and supported his tactics as far as I can recollect. No risk for going down so no need to rush the decision of removing Martinez from his duties.
Brian Porter
3 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:02:35
Wonder if Barry will be the next one who's words have been 'misinterpreted' and will he be made to apologise like Leighton Baines for daring to highlight the 'negativity' – The 'missing chemistry' at the moment?

I doubt it as Martinez strongly lamented the fact that Barry was missing in the two previous games even though he's previously said we are able to cope without certain individuals and have fantastic cover in every area... Oh bugger it, I can't believe a word that pillock says anyway.

Another great article from Sky Sports today, ripping Martinez to pieces. The press are really starting to get warmed up on this now. Lots of support for Baines there too.


Anto Byrne
4 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:13:23
Barry has been around some good teams who know how to play. Why is he not having input into the way we play?

I would fuck Martinez off and appoint Barry as interim player manager. We need a manager not an autocrat. They are playing like headless chickens with the main culprit a dead duck.
Dave Richman
5 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:21:09
Key word, and the most damning indictment of Martinez's period at Everton:

"We don't want another bottom-half finish....

Paul Conway
6 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:21:48
“There is a lot of negativity around at the moment. We don't want to finish another season in the bottom half of the table."

Would this negativity be due to the apathy or lack of 'chemistry'' among the players? The negativity is contagious and has created divided loyalties whereby, some fans would even forfeit the Cup success for Martinez's removal.

I can empathise with their reasoning. It's a bit like being in the wilderness, metaphorically speaking, getting a limb caught in a trap and having to chew it off, as you don't have the luxury of a penknife!
Darryl Ritchie
7 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:35:22
If the entire club, from director down, would perform as well as they talk, there would be no problems. It's one thing to say that the level of play has to better; it's another to actually do it.
Terry Hayes
8 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:38:09
Sounds like Martinez has finally allowed the players to look at the League Table.
Phil Walling
9 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:44:57
As on Saturday, Everton (8/5) are marginal favourites to win at Palace (2/1) whilst the draw is on offer at 2/1.

No odds appear to be available on 'talking a good game'!

Phil Walling
10 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:46:25
Sorry, draw odds are 27/11.
Brian Harrison
11 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:50:20
You don't want another bottom-half finish? how do you think we fans feel? The difference is we cant do anything about it, and what is creating the negativity. Or is this yet another dig at the fans who turn up in large numbers home and away.

I would hope that the senior players would speak to the chairman or Farhad Moshiri to say what is causing the negativity. I get heartily sick of another player coming out after yet another dismal display to say we aren't happy either.

The difference is you are getting £50-60-70 grand a week, were us fans just have to keep shelling out to watch rubbish week after week. We have bought our Wembley tickets, arranged our travel and maybe paid for a hotel room. This is despite poor performances, week-in & week-out.

Martin Nicholls
12 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:53:16
Andrew (2) - I would suggest that there is every reason to relieve Martinez of his duties quickly. We want and deserve more than "no risk of going down". We want strong performances and results in remaining Premier League games so that we go into the close season on a relative high. We will get neither if he is not relieved of his duties sooner rather than later.
Martin Nicholls
13 Posted 11/04/2016 at 16:55:07
Good post Phil W!
Alan Bodell
14 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:03:14
Brian # 3, you beat me to it mate, a bollocking awaits I think from the great know all knobhead for daring to say such things.
Kevin McCartney
15 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:05:14
Since Manuel Pellegrini will be out of a job come the end of the season, can we not sign him up now please?

Surely this would remove all the dithering that would continue to go on over the summer, through the Euros and before the transfer window closes, I'd rather the 'new' manager get the full transfer kitty to build on what we are able to 'keep' bring in, big mangers can bring in 'talent' instead of some of the dross we have at the moment (Koné).

If Manuel Pellegrini is not your preferred replacement for Martinez, then who?

Paul Andrews
16 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:05:43
Lyndon, I don't know if you agree but it seems to me there are some players that have opted out of the team ethic.

Lukaku is definitely one of them over the last few weeks. Shame really, as he has all the attributes to be one of the best centre forwards in Europe. Looks like it will be with another team.

Something stinks at Everton re team spirit.

Peter Gorman
17 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:25:03
As the saying goes, Pellegrini has forgotten more about football than Martinez knows. Could do a lot worse.
Steve Davies
18 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:32:57
Talk is cheap and that is all I hear from Martinez and now Barry.

Just try putting defenders on the near post, and far post and man marking at corners. If you want to talk to anybody Mr Barry least of all the press, please tell John Stones to stop trying to be Barnsley's answer to Pele and actually defend. A stronger manager would have done this.

I am getting sick of all this talk off the field as I see very little communication on the field. As I said talk is cheap.

Iain Davies
19 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:39:07
I heard a rumber which is probably as reliable as Bobby Bullshit (Martinez), that Bielsa has been sounded out on the QT.

Personally I'd prefer Koeman, premier league tried and trusted and his transfer record is holding up well.

Peter Barry
21 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:40:39
Do your talking on the FIELD, guys... you are becoming boring.
Paul Hewitt
22 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:42:09
Looks like the players have finally had enough. About time, Martinez's days are numbered.
Damian Wilde
23 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:49:39
Well, Gareth, if you want less 'negativity' and are sick of bottom half finishes (as we are) – then the manager needs to go.

Andrew, no rush, are you joking? There's every rush as he is ruining our club. Every place in the league is worth £1million and without him we have a far better chance of winning the FA Cup. The fact that he is making going to the match a miserable affair – more than makes it a rush.

I'm not convinced by Pellegrini. I'd sack the clown now and give the interim job to Joe Royle and Big Dunc, and then appoint properly in the summer

James Stewart
24 Posted 11/04/2016 at 17:57:36
Nailed-on for a bottom-half finish with the way we have been playing.
Charles Barrow
25 Posted 11/04/2016 at 18:01:49
Let's get Big Joe in to sort out the team – we need a bit of a 'dogs of war' mentality at the moment as we're a real soft touch.
Stephen Brown
26 Posted 11/04/2016 at 18:52:20
Fed up of these premeditated sound bites!

Actions speak the loudest! Why not have a media ban until we win 3 games in a row! When Neville Southall spoke, you listened! When Dave Watson spoke, you listened! It's all a bit hot air like to me!!

Ben Dyke
28 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:15:49
I find people criticising Barry a bit harsh. He is one player whose performance level has been pretty good to very high throughout the season. He is one player who has had the right attitude the whole season. Yes he can be faulted here and there for some decisions or performances but very rarely and never for his attitude or commitment.

Martinez will be gone soon. I understand the desire not to rock the boat mid season. Chance of Europe has gone, we have a cup semi to do which Martinez has proven he can navigate, and I would only get rid before season end if we genuinely flirt with relegation.

Derek Davies
29 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:41:10
Not Pellegrini please, all the money in the world and their defence is shocking. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
Martin O'Sullivan
30 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:41:18
I'm trying to be realistic and not too negative but I can't see us bettering Chelsea's points return from the remaining games and they currently occupy 11th. I know it's not all about them but I really can't see it. This season and last has been a joke as we all know, and for me cup or not he has got to go ASAP.

What also amazes me is the solid platform he took over and the work ethic we had before him. He has systematically dismantled all this so surely the board must look at this too and not just his last two seasons.

For me, I look and see a club with no foundation, no work ethic, no other tactics and one way of playing. Players are bored and uninterested, oh and I think we've just wasted £13M on a player too. And yep it has all been done by one man, Roberto Martinez...

Sorry but sack him now and let's move on!

Alan Peake
31 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:43:40
Regarding Pellegrini, I now live in Manchester where we run a social club which is a massive Man City place and the criticism of Pellegrini over the last 18 months is exactly the same as our criticism of Martinez: tactically naïve, no Plan B, poor substitutions etc, I want rid of Martinez but Pellegrini is not the answer.
Mike Allison
32 Posted 11/04/2016 at 19:48:48
Those criticising Barry are missing the point. He's certainly not having a dig at the fans.

Just as Baines' 'chemistry' last week was clear, so is Barry's 'we need to play better as a team'. His words themselves are an acceptance of collective responsibility, but the implication of both men is that the problem we have is the combining things together, which is the managers job.

They're using a not too subtle code to tell us they feel held back by whatever bullshit training and instructions they're getting.

Clive Rogers
33 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:45:16
It's not just Martinez who needs to go, but all the backroom staff he brought with him. They seem like a bunch of amateurs. Kenwright was a complete idiot for letting this Wigan crew take over. Another nail in RM's coffin may well be signing Niasse who sounds like a £13.5M write-off.
Martin Mason
34 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:47:04
I look at it slightly more positively than most. The players aren't coming out giving unqualified support for the manager. Martinez saw the criticism of him that was under the surface of Baine's comments and I believe that Barry's is a comment in the same vein.
Minik Hansen
35 Posted 11/04/2016 at 20:57:13
If Martinez turns out to stay, players will inevitably play their arses off from next season, as their lazy on the park tactics won't help. COYB.
Steve Sweeney
36 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:13:03
We cannot let this clown win another FA Cup. Sack him now, he is a joke.

If he is in charge against either West Ham Utd or Man Utd, we will lose. He has not only lost the players, but also the fans.

Peter McCann
37 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:18:57
Bottom line is there is no way Martinez will go while we are in the cup because, despite previous articles, Kenwright hangs on to the dream that we might actually win the cup. If this is Kenwright's last season, he will want one last hurrah and – even though we might not like the idea – I could understand where he would be coming from.

Kenwright is a great Evertonian but also a great romantic and he will hope that winning the cup would be the turning point for the club even if most of us don't.

However, anyone who thinks that any appointment of Duncan Ferguson even on a temporary basis is more a romantic that Kenwright. It would be the worse decision ever.

Phil Roberts
38 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:29:39
Ben Dyke #28 - we have as much chance of getting relegated as we do of getting into a European Place.

40 points is a myth. Since we survived in 97-98 with 40 points, only once has a team gone down with 40 or more (that is 18 seasons!). The average is about 35 for the team in 18th.

But 40 points is a nice round number. We were safe when we beat Stoke for sure and we may find that it was the win over Newcastle that saw us safe. So have the players seen my stats and been on the beach since then?

Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:39:36
I agree with that, Alan (#31). Pelligrini's teams resemble Martinez's teams because they very rarely play at full throttle.

Hope I'm wrong, but I can't see how we are going to improve with so much negativity around. Looks like the senior players are finally taking it in turns to try and bring about change. I fear it might be too late now though, and Martinez will be with us till the season ends.

Anthony Dwyer
40 Posted 11/04/2016 at 21:56:24
Bottom-half finish, top-half finish, what difference does it matter? The Premier League season as a whole has been nothing short of a disaster. Even if we won the remaining 7 games, no good can come of it.

The only thing left to do now is put all our eggs in one basket and wrap the players up in cotton wool.

Barkley, Lukaku, Baines, Coleman, McCarthy, Lennon and Funes Mori (now Jagielka is injured) are key to the semi-finals – injury to one of them lowers our chances of winning the FA Cup.

Obviously none of the above players can be rested in all the upcoming games, but they can be nursed through games to strengthen our chances of winning the cup.

After the cup, win or lose, Roberto has to go.

Ian Randles
41 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:00:04
Clive Rogers (#33). Add to that the sale of Naismith and keeping hold of Kone.

Naismith would of made a much more off an impact coming off the bench in the last few games than any of our other attacking players, grit, knows where the goal is when he gets hold of the ball in the box and above all 110% commitment.

Not Martinez type of player and, because he never has a Plan B, he gets rid. I'm not buying any bull about him wanting consistent first team starts, he loved the club and with the right Manager telling him he was part of his plans he would've stayed.

I mentioned on another post that we should go all out to get Gus Hiddink; he would be a great fit with our new money and getting the team playing for each other again.

Andy Boyer
42 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:20:17
One of the Toffee TV guys said on Twitter that Naismith was very critical of Martinez to some of the Norwich lads.
Christine Foster
43 Posted 11/04/2016 at 22:28:07
Having grit, fight and tenacity is no substitute for skill in Roberto's eyes, the problem is a "team" has to have players with a mix of all those attributes to become winners. Roberto has systematically removed the no-nonsense players for those who are more skilful.

The result is we have no backbone, no attitude and no passion. We play like an Under-14 side who haven't been introduced to the real world yet. And get tonked by the brutes in the Premier League.

Naismith should not have gone.

No balls... no passion, no grit? No future.

John Malone
44 Posted 11/04/2016 at 23:14:01
Christine (#43), agree one hundred percent Martinez has lowered the standards across the board Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu are all talented but they do not fight for the ball, do not know how to roll their sleeves up and dig in.

I've lost count of the times I've seen Ross Barkley pull out of a 50/50 ball or not even make the effort to get close, or Deuofeu dive after he has got past his man!

I was gutted watching the highlights of Tottenham and Leicester on Match of the day Sunday night, not out of envy of their league position but out of seeing how hard they work all over the pitch for each other and being reminded once again of how far away we are from being a top team!

This manager just does not know what it takes to build a top team, Bill and Farhad need to bring a guy in of Koeman's calibre and turn the club around before it's too late and this guy get's us relegated next season!

Andrew James
45 Posted 11/04/2016 at 00:06:35
I am really worried that we will get done at Anfield and in the semi-final. Once those things happen, which given recent form is likely, I think Martinez must be fired.

But... it won't will it?

It is PATHETIC. The board are culpable.

Brian Porter
46 Posted 12/04/2016 at 00:22:26
A friend in America just sent me a message via facebook. He's just watched the Watford game and his words were "Everton looked like they were rehearsing for playing in the Championship."

That's from an impartial neutral. Nice to know how others see us isn't it?

Peter Laverty
47 Posted 12/04/2016 at 00:56:55
More clear smoke signals from with in the camp. Manager out, couple of the so-called superstars out with him who cant string two decent performances together.

Sky money, plus Moshiri money, plus transfer sales "should" equate to some big changes over the summer.
Laurie Hartley
48 Posted 12/04/2016 at 01:21:50
Perhaps I am misinterpreting Gareth Barty's comments but it seems to me he is backing his teammate Leighton Baines.
Oliver Molloy
49 Posted 12/04/2016 at 05:20:12
I was a fan of Naismith but £8.5 million for him was a good deal.

It might have been a better idea to keep Steven until the end of this season at least, but the player wanted to leave and perhaps that says a lot!
Richard Lyons
50 Posted 12/04/2016 at 06:34:32
Hiddink.... It has to be Hiddink - but it won't be. I can't see Martinez getting sacked even if we get thrashed by the RS and lose the semi-final. Even though Moshiri is the de facto owner of the club, I've no doubt that he'll follow BK, for the time being at least; and BK loves Martinez and will never sack him.

Sooo depressing...

Brian Porter
51 Posted 12/04/2016 at 06:41:25
Martinez is now saying on Sky that he didn't see either banner at Watford! So, we can now add blindness to his failings. If true, this could explain why he sees a different game to the rest of us, as he plainly can't see what's in front of his eyes so his tiny little brain invents a nice positive version of the game for him to say he's seen. It's all in his myopic imagination.

The only people in the ground who couldn't see those banners were those directly behind them and I'll bet they soon made sure they found out what was on them.

Such a statement again proves to me that the man is, surely an inveterate liar and has no place managing our team because, of course, he's already stated elsewhere that he understands the frustrations of those fans who unfurled the banners, ie, he DID see them! He can't have it both ways, but that's Martinez all over. Say one thing one day, and contradict himself the next.

No wonder the players look like they don't know what they're doing on the pitch. How many contradictory instructions are they being given before and during the game. What a manager!


Hugh Jenkins
52 Posted 12/04/2016 at 07:27:45
For my money, the man who should replace Martinez is Eddie Howe. He has the "right" footballing philosophy, has now managed in the Premier League; having made a very decent showing with a less than "star studded" side, and is an Evertonian.

I believe he could turn out to be, what everyone thought and hoped Moyes would be.

His comments on MotD last Saturday about how they had been practicing corners, brought joy to my heart and we know, to our cost, that his sides don't give up until the final whistle has been blown.

Andrew Burns
53 Posted 12/04/2016 at 08:30:28
My comments have been mis-sinterpreted; I'll do a Bainsey and apologise. I was basically airing the thoughts that I believe Moshiri is thinking.

I'm sure he is clear over the diabolical situation and has already made his mind up to get rid of Martinez. Moshiri sees no rush as we are safe from going down and he doesn't need to stir up things right now.

Martinez will be gone end of season or just before. As I posted earlier, hopefully Moshiri is doing something on QT and sounding the replacement out.

I want Everton to win every match and I don't want anyone ruining the club. I just think Moshiri is resigned to how it is today but will change it all very soon. If we win the semis Martinez will lead us out in the final, if we lose the semis then following Monday latest then Martinez is out. COYB!

Trevor Lynes
54 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:03:37
If anyone on here castigated his colleagues and management he would be sacked.

Footballers should keep their comments to the dressing room and that goes through every level of professional football. They are being paid top money for doing a 'job'. They are not part timers or amateurs.

That go's for every industry and do not forget that players are contractors not company men.

Andy Codling
55 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:14:02

"I would fuck Martinez off and appoint Barry as interim player manager"

Christ almighty!!!

Tony Draper
56 Posted 12/04/2016 at 09:38:12
The vessel is cracked and is clearly leaking!

When TWO senior players make "polite", yet constructive comments, then the message is clear. "The Dressing Room" has heard enough.

Time for the fans to stand up and rid the players of Roberto.

Continue your "research project" elsewhere Roberto, you're ignoring BLATANT evidence!


"Taxi for Martinez !"

Ryan Payne
58 Posted 12/04/2016 at 10:47:38
Re comment #26. I agree, I am probably the oldest of the generation yet to see Everton win something and I remember Neville Southall on Radio City a few weeks ago when I was in the car.

After listening to him I could see why he was a champion. He spoke and made me believe that Everton SHOULD be challenging in the upper echelons. His response to any question was just 'Why not?' He had belief in himself and the club, and by the time he was finished I fully believed that Everton were capable of anything.

It was so refreshing after spending so long listening to Martinez come out with garbage, week-in & week-out.

Rick Tarleton
59 Posted 12/04/2016 at 11:27:27
Baines last week and now Barry are clearly stating that there is a problem. Martinez will no doubt tell us that he meant something entirely different, but the truth is plain to see.

Martinez has completely lost the dressing-room and there is a lack of team ethic. Each player is untrusting of the tactics used and therefore looks after his own role without buying into the team.

Martinez needs to go. The question isn't really who we want, but who'll come to Goodison? Koeman? Howe? Hughton? I don't know, if the money's right no doubt they'd come, but Everton per se is no longer an attraction and some might prefer to stick with the teams they've built and whose team ethic they can trust.

Paul Conway
60 Posted 12/04/2016 at 11:40:15
What I find lamentable was the sale of Naismith was suposed to finance the purchase of Niasse!! A total fuck up, This player has yet to get grass stains on his kit! If he was anyway interested in us and getting fit, he could have put a few extra shifts in.

Naisy would have done it. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but Naisy was a workaholic and a decent man to boot! Effectively, not only are we are a man down, but a few million as well!

Under-performing players and players who don't perform – including managers – should have a slice of their inflated wages docked! The money should be used to by tickets for fans in a lottery style. Sounds crazy? No.

Damian Wilde
61 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:07:21
Seen the latest bull from him:

"Everton boss Roberto Martinez is asked who is to blame for his side's poor form.

He replies: ""There is no such thing as blame.

"We haven't been able to manage games well enough, we haven't preserved leads and we've thrown games away."

He says: "I can understand their frustration – in the football club we all share an incredible amount of passion and I accept that. 

"The only thing that matters is to finish the season really, really strong."

First of all, clearly deflecting his poor role by saying 'blame' doesn't exist – wow! Any why haven't we been able to manage games? Clown.

You don't understand our frustrations!!!! If you did, you'd leave.

'Finish strongly' – that's all that matters??? So all the rubbish we've seen so far doesn't matter? Does anyone feel like punching him?

Joe Clitherow
62 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:09:29

I thought his job title was Manager.

So where does the "We" come from?

Colin Hughes
63 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:24:30
Fuck our game tomorrow, I would much rather see Dortmund get a result at Anfield than us win a nothing match at Palace. I can just see them twats overshadowing us again if we get to the Cup Final by them winning a European trophy and qualifying for the Champions League through it.

They always seem to do it it to us: 2005 when we finished 4th against the odds a year after finishing 4th bottom, they go and win the Champions League and everything in the City is about them – and even 1995, when we last won silverware, they had to go and bloody win the League Cup as well.

Not since the 1980s have we been the only trophy winners in a single season here. So for once my allegiances this week lay elsewhere but Everton.

Joe Clitherow
64 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:26:55
I really don't understand continued clamour for Hiddink. Nothing to do with his skills or knowledge but the guy is 70 this year and has said he wants to retire. Quite apart from the fact he has said himself that he wants to retire, he could stay at Chelsea if he wanted too I'm sure.

He's knackered and why wouldn't he be? He isn't right for the project of picking up from the mess Martinez has created. Get real please guys.

I will say, though, that he would have been the perfect guy three years ago to have built on where Moyes had taken us to. All gone now though and needs to be built up again.

As for Pellegrini, I am distinctly unimpressed. With the players he has and the money at his disposal he is seriously under-performing. Now you could argue he has been undermined at City but that doesn't explain that their whole performance as a team hinges on the fitness of Kompany rather than having a suitable top class alternative defender. He persists with DeMichelis which is enough of a reason for "No" in its own right in my opinion.

Paul Bromley
65 Posted 12/04/2016 at 13:29:59
Baines speaking last week, now Barry. Both senior players which suggests that Martinez has 'lost the dressing room'. Wasn't that Mourinho's downfall at Chelsea this season?
Damian Wilde
66 Posted 12/04/2016 at 15:16:13
"We haven't been able to manage games well enough.. "

Good spot, Joe! I believe he gets paid £3 million to 'manage'!!

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