Ultimately, for all the talk of bad luck, this team's primary consistency has been in finding ways to capitulate at key moments and junctures. If the West Brom match was simply an outlier that would be one thing. But when “bad luck” happens over and over and over again, it becomes a trend. And when a trend persists, it ultimately defines you.
For the vast majority of this season, Everton have found ways — often beyond all logical defiance — to snatch defeat (or dropped points) from the jaws of victory. They’ve been unable to step up and deliver when the match was in the balance. The manager talks about embracing the lofty expectations that come with managing Everton. But what does accepting expectations mean if those expectations are consistently unmet?
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1 Posted 17/02/2016 at 20:31:05
2 Posted 17/02/2016 at 22:10:06
3 Posted 17/02/2016 at 00:05:41
I will do all that even though I can't stand the fact we have Roberto at the helm of my beloved football club.
The reason I will do it is because Roberto doesn't stand a chance of winning the cup, as he is nowhere near good enough to win the FA Cup again; no one person is that lucky.
For me, Roberto has to go asap, as we have a good little squad that could really kick on if we had the right man in charge.
Jose, Koemann, De Boer, Hiddink are the names I'd go in search of; think big and become big. The Premier League is the place to be and, other than Manchester United, no bigger club than us will be searching for a manager, so let's show some bottle and think big for once.
4 Posted 18/02/2016 at 02:24:04
5 Posted 18/02/2016 at 02:27:09
6 Posted 18/02/2016 at 02:37:45
7 Posted 18/02/2016 at 04:34:33
Under the current custodians, we've never had any investment other than TV money and by selling players, which particularly for Mourinho would be a non-starter. Most of those names are also on much bigger pay packets than we've historically offered.
Some managers can be just as mercenary as (some) players, and given that we're competing with more teams in the Premier League who are just as cash rich as us under the new TV deal, plus China's emergence, why do you assume we'll have our pick of managers with the credentials of those you suggest?
8 Posted 18/02/2016 at 04:59:21
9 Posted 18/02/2016 at 05:13:13
And we have tremendous quality and talent in the squad, but we've been abjectly poor for more than a season and a half now. He's taken us backwards, and will continue to do so for as long as the chairman allows it.
10 Posted 18/02/2016 at 06:51:33
11 Posted 18/02/2016 at 07:54:17
12 Posted 18/02/2016 at 08:08:27
13 Posted 18/02/2016 at 08:17:06
I have a feeling he will be here at the start of next season for sure, whether he see's Christmas is another matter.
I think if he is here next season we'll all be having the same discussion around mid-winter about the lack of win's due to appealing defending, the inability to hold onto leads, refusal to work on weaknesses etc etc.
You just the feeling that's the Everton way now though don't you, we just put up with mediocrity in the hope that all of a sudden someone will turn water into wine and miraculously we will challenge the top.
The trouble is expectations have changed with the more money the club has spent recently compared to the Moyes era, we can't describe finishing 7th as punching above our weight anymore can we?.
I think Martinez will be here at the start of next season, I don't however see him being here at the start of next year.
14 Posted 18/02/2016 at 08:43:11
The big fear is that we will start losing away from GP as well. What happens then?
It's all so unnecessary, there are plenty of manager's out there, who can get the team to defend and attack at the same time. Roberto obviously cannot.
15 Posted 18/02/2016 at 11:24:10
16 Posted 18/02/2016 at 11:53:36
The Everton directors have invested in Everton by buying ownership and this is very much an investment as they will get a lot more for the club than they paid. They take no money from the club so the only credible investment in the club would have been to have been in the consortium that bought the club originally. As we've seen the worst investment was by small shareholders who get no return and have no say.
You could say that the Board has done brilliantly in business terms by having held the club together through hard times until it has become a sellable asset at multiples of what they paid because of the TV revenue. I can't for the life of me understand what anybody buying Everton FC gets for the currently inflated price given our poor income apart from TV money and our high liabilities... or is our cash flow now that good?
17 Posted 18/02/2016 at 12:17:50
I believe it depends on raising the money via a consortium and that arrangement has a history of failure as we know.
Roberto can breathe again, methinks!
18 Posted 18/02/2016 at 12:22:29
19 Posted 18/02/2016 at 12:35:31
I really wanted RM to succeed... but his stubbornness (a lot like his predecessor in that regard!) has left me agnostic as to whether he stays or not.
20 Posted 18/02/2016 at 12:43:47
After all, Southampton were/are hardly a global name and managed to get Koeman and Pochettino before. Look at Leicester as well.
I'm always amazed when people say 'why would he come to us' - especially when there's a 4m salary attached and a Premier League club with an average 35k gate. Granted a Guadiola or Simeone wouldn't but there are a whole load of other managers who would - each of whom would be much better than Martinez and have already proved they're capable (rather than having to 'learn').
We gave Moyes his big chance and we did the same again with Martinez. How about we finally stop giving (supposedly) up and coming managers a chance and get one who has already been there/done that - or at least played at the highest level so would have been managed by a top manager.
21 Posted 18/02/2016 at 12:48:16
Then I got round to talk about today's players and more specifically RM; he thought we had some very good players. But he said that when he listened to RM before and after matches, he didn't understand a word he was talking about. He said, so if he didn't understand what he was talking about, how did the players understand what he wanted from them?
23 Posted 18/02/2016 at 13:09:38
"Everton don't need to win the FA Cup to save season... we are close to our aim in the Premier League, insists Roberto Martinez"
I wonder what our aim is to finish in the bottom half of the table???
His bullshit drives me round the twist!
Just do one and go!!!
24 Posted 18/02/2016 at 13:23:47
Consistent dissapointment always forgotton with the occasional gesture, always hoping that the occasional gesture will become the norm when it will only ever become rarer and rarer.
In the summer we'll lose Lukaku, then next year the excuse will be 'Lukaku left, he needs time to find another goalscorer to fit his system' and the cycle will continue.
There are a couple on here adamant that Martinez is something special. They call those who criticise Martinez as 'fickle': "Where were you when we won 3-0". But the reality is they are the fickle ones, because the 3-0 wins have been far fewer than the disappointing results.
He's a bad football manager.
25 Posted 18/02/2016 at 13:32:08
With the so-called big money next season, and this possible takeover, it is long overdue that Everton got with the program. It is long overdue that Everton give themselves a proper chance of pushing on and actually winning something. That all starts with a proper manager, and not the last four managers who have been at the helm.
Do Everton have any bloody ambition? I sometimes wonder, I really do.
26 Posted 18/02/2016 at 14:35:58
Our 'present manager' may not at present be anybody's hero but, believe me, he won't have to do much to change that perception.
Yes, 'fickle' just about sums it up!
27 Posted 18/02/2016 at 14:43:08
28 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:09:08
29 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:12:24
Fans are fickle. We could quite conceivably win 4 in a row and suddenly people will wonder if he's onto something after all. I've changed my opinion of him at least 4 times in his time here.
30 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:29:38
Two years ago, RM was an FA Cup-winning manager who had just taken us to our highest ever PL points tally, so any stick you got then, imo you'd have deserved.
Yes he'd taken Wigan down, but anyone two years back screaming 'That FA Cup-winning manager who has just given us our highest ever Premier League points tally MUST go!!" would have looked insane.
Are things different now?
Have many revised their opinion?
It seems so, but people aren't 'fickle' because they're prepared to give a manager 2/3 seasons before forming an opinion.
Because they're prepared to make a 'he needs to go' decision based on one successful season and two shite seasons, rather than on one successful season.
So, if you're looking for a credit for an 'I told you so' made two years ago, good luck.
31 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:33:18
32 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:37:38
33 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:42:10
If we still think were a BIG club, we need to act like one, he needs to be released NOW.
34 Posted 18/02/2016 at 15:45:46
I've been supporting Everton since '77 and bearing in mind resources at his disposal he's the worst coach I've seen in that time.
35 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:12:09
His relentless chatty-Cathy blarney has put him in the position of now getting double-bubble from Evertonians - "Shit result and...shut the fuck up!!"
To be honest, recently, all that guff has started to have a Scientology (or est) feel to it.
A kind of mad, staring, happy-whatever-the-situation, positive-whatever-the-situation Tom Cruise..um..'vibe'.
(I won't be able to watch if we win the cup and he appears on Opra).
On the plus side, his demeanour might have 'cured' a few on TW of constantly promoting positivity, by showing how fucking irritating someone who is constantly positive actually looks.
36 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:13:42
37 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:14:32
38 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:37:30
Martinez's positivity was a breath of fresh air after Moyes but he quickly started to grate when it became clear that he was so focussed on the bigger picture that he couldn't see issues right under his nose. He has done many good things at Everton - generally good recruitment, encouraging skilful players, giving youth a chance etc but he has consistently ignored / failed to see day to day issues that undermine the team. I'm afraid on that basis, he has failed. The constant claptrap that he doles out only aggravates the situation.
39 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:44:29
Replace him with either Nigel Pearson or Steve Bruce.
Two Brits who know their way around the block, and Bruce has a few medals to prove he's a winner.
40 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:46:15
Seems that, as ever, there is a split in fanbase opinion, and with such a simple choice: stay or go, it becomes highly polarizing.
41 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:48:59
42 Posted 18/02/2016 at 16:57:53
Surely everyone would like a juicy brucy bonus-- higher, higher!!
43 Posted 18/02/2016 at 17:00:17
44 Posted 18/02/2016 at 17:10:59
There are certainly some supporters who want to give him more time but I am pretty sure - obviously I can't prove it - that they are now in a significant minority.
46 Posted 18/02/2016 at 18:21:42
47 Posted 18/02/2016 at 19:07:13
48 Posted 19/02/2016 at 06:35:48
Even if we don't have big investment, we could still do far better if we had Sean Dyche or Mark Hughes.
Those are the guys we should have been talking to weeks ago already...
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