Draw at Upton Park a fair result

by | 07/11/2015  135 Comments  [Jump to last]
West Ham United 1 - 1 Everton
Everton and West Ham shared the spoils at Upton Park as another stunning link-up between Gerard Deulofeu and Romelu Lukaku cancelled out an equally impressive strike by Manuel Lanzini.

After the Argentine had curled a shot into the top corner of Tim Howard's goal, Deulofeu put the Belgian striker clean through to round the goalkeeper and score the second week running and make it 1-1 heading into half time.

The second half was something of a damp squib, however, with the Blues unable to capitalise in West Ham's loss to injury of Dimitri Payet who never recovered after being injured by James McCarthy's heavy tackle in the first half.

Matchday Updates

Everton took on West Ham United side thriving under Goodison old boy, Slaven Bilic, with a strong line-up from last week's win, the only change being Brendan Galloway starting in place of injured Bryan Oviedo, with Baines still not ready to make his comeback. Mirallas, Lennon, Naismith, and Osman are all on the bench along with Gibson and Mason Holgate the only defender for Everton's last game at Upton Park.

West Ham kicked off and had most of the possession, a cross for Carroll headed away before Moses struck a shot first time just wide. Stones stopped the next attack but Deulofeu could not carry the ball forward. However, a brilliant flick by the Spaniard put Kone into space and it seemed a perfect cross for Lukaku but the keeper Adrian got to it just ahead of him.

Everton continued to probe, getting a lot more possession, Barkley almost playing in Lukaku. The Hammers were forced to play tippy-tappy, Everton patient until they regained possession, Deulofeu winning a corner but playing it short and the chance disappeared when Funes Mori rolled his foot over the ball and went down.

Lukaku shaped up to shoot but it was blocked and the ball fell too quickly for Galloway who volleyed over.

Payet nutmegged Barkley and the eventually shot was from outside the area and wide. Kone got a chance to run at goal off a great Barry pass but chose to fire wide rather than play in Lukaku. Moses tried to profit, getting his cross past Galloway, who later fouled him to give away a dangerous free-kick that Payet crossed very deep for Tompkins.

Everton broke well but it ended with another horribly poor touch by Lukaku as both sides probed. Kone pushed in the back, giving away another free-kick, McCarthy heading away but West Ham went close, Creswell curling the ball wide.

Everton won an easy free-kick off an inadvertent handball by Moses and Barkley fired it straight at Adrian. The game slowed to walking pace as Stones looked to move the Blues forward but his pass to Lukaku was poor and he had to chase back and tackle, which he did well.

Everton were getting plenty of space to move the ball forward but were not really testing Adrian, although Deu did his usual off a brilliant pass from McCarthy, firing in at Adrian from the byeline. But another corner wasted, this time Barkley playing it back deep.

West Ham then put their strongest attack together and Moses shot was blocked but a superb strike by Lanzini sailed past a despairing Howard into the top corner. 1-0 to West Ham.

Everton were deflated and McCarthy overzealous with his scissors tackle on Payet: Yellow Card, even though he got the ball. A better corner by Barkley, played to the far post where Funes Mori almost got his head to it.

Barry's quick thinking almost got Coleman played in. Both sides were looking to pass through each other as the tactical battle developed. Lukaku got a half-chance to turn and shoot bit his effort was blocked.

A brilliant move, saw Lukaku score an identical goal from last week, Deulofeu's fantastic throughball right to his feet. 1-1. Lanzini tried another but his effort flew wide. Howard then came out and punched a ball! Kone and Lukaku got in each others way, then Deulofeu got blanked and went down in the area, both sides really even at the break after a good half of football.

Barkley fired a free-kick well wide and over. Payet sat on the ground and finally had to leave after the tough tackle from McCarthy. Valencia replaced him and West Ham attacked with pace, the cross evading Kouyate and Galloway cleared.

Everton's tackles were a little too robust for the West Ham crowd as Bilic and Martinez discussed the challenges. Moses was next to fall over too easily. Valencia then put over a very inviting cross but Noble wasted the corner with a hilarious 'shot' for a throw-in.

Everton played some nice football around the West Ham area but failed to make a strike. Funes Mori was next in the book with a rather late tackle on Moses. On the free-kick, Howard came right out into the mix to punch away!

More good passing through the middle saw another chance for the Del stepovers, but Wets Ham broke and a shot was deflected wide for a West sHAm corner that came to nothing. Mirallas replaced Kone after the hour as Coleman had to make a good tackle on Valencia, catching his ankle. The sub failed to recover after treatment and was replaced by Zarate.

More tippy-tappy as Everton probed a way forward, Deulofeu getting fouled, a corner coming from Barkley's free-kick, dropped short to Barry at the near post. Then it was a corner at the other end, Moses with a perfect delivery for Reid who headed inches over from around 9 yds out.

Mirallas did well to chase down Tompkinson but the move ended with a wild long-distance effort from Funes Mori. The tempo of the game had dropped as both sides were so evenly matched. Deulofeu got wide and won another corner that he took, Funes Mori unable to get the required touch on an excellent delivery.

With 10 mins left, it seemed both sides had the measure of each other as moves stalled outside each area without really threatening. Thus Lennon replaced Deulofeu to perhaps change things, a tremendous effort put in by the Spaniard.

West Ham showed a little more zest, Jenkinson went on a fine run down the middle and tried to beat Howard but the shot-stopper made a trade-mark World Cup stop. At the other end, Galloway did brilliantly to wait and weight the cross into Lukaku who timed his run well only to poke it inches wide. Barkley then played in Lukaku who was a foot offside. Nikica Jelavic replaced Andy Carroll for the last few minutes.

Mirallas was fouled by Tompkins. Barkley swung in the free-kick on 90 mins but it was not deep enough. With 5 more minutes signalled, Zarate was booked for dragging back Coleman(?) Mirallas made one rather lame shot on goal in added time and that was it, the second half not producing quite the level of finishing required by either side.

A draw probably a fair result as both sides matched eachother closely throughout, with strong defences and neither showed the magic spark needed to win what was generally a very well played contest.

Scorers: Lanzini (30'); Lukaku (43')

West Ham United: Adrian, Jenkinson, Reid, Tomkins, Cresswell, Noble (c), Kouyate, Moses, Payet (50' Valencia (69' Zarate [Y:91'])), Lanzini, Carroll (88' Jelavic).
Subs not Used: Randolph, Ogbonna, Antonio, Cullen

Everton: Howard, Coleman, Stones, Funes Mori [Y:59'], Galloway, McCarthy [Y:34'], Barry, Deulofeu (83' Lennon), Barkley, Kone (64' Mirallas), Lukaku.
Subs not Used: Robles, Gibson, Naismith, Osman, Holgate.

Kick off: 3pm Saturday
Referee: Paul Tierney

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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 07/11/2015 at 14:46:04
Only one defender on the bench!!!.
Peter Cummings
2 Posted 07/11/2015 at 14:56:37
With our recent defensive problems a close eye will have to be kept on ex red yard dog Carroll who can cause mayhem with his height and weight from balls lofted into the area, a favourite big Sam tactic.
Victor Jones
4 Posted 07/11/2015 at 15:09:05
No complaints from me today. That is the team that most of us expected. Not much point banging on about Tim Howard; we would need a crow bar to remove him from the first eleven... and a step ladder to help him reach a high cross.

And Martinez is set on two DMFs, so I am resigned to this team selection. TBH it is not too bad. We also have a reasonable bench....although is young Browning the latest to fall out of favour?

We can win this today. Although I say that every week. I only hope that we can score first. I hope we can be solid in defence and against the odds, that we can keep a clean sheet. I predict that Lukaku will score, and that we win 2-1 or 3-1. But TBH I would take a scrappy 1-0 win. Move on as there are easier games to come. COYBs.

Karl Parsons
5 Posted 07/11/2015 at 15:15:30
Anyone found a stream?
Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 07/11/2015 at 16:57:55
Not exactly full of talking points that one. Decent point, played alright.
Tony Hill
7 Posted 07/11/2015 at 16:59:02
I'm actually quite disappointed. The result is fine against a decent side but we flopped in the second half and the old problems are still very much there sadly, notably lack of creativity. After my high hopes of him McCarthy was pretty hopeless today. Oh well, so it always goes with EFC.
Michael Kenrick
8 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:02:35
Ernie (#4), your match report so much more succinct than mine... and 100 times more accurate!
Craig Fletcher
9 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:07:31
Decent point, as Ernie said this one won't live long in the memory.

Deulofeu excellent again, as was Barry, Funes Mori, and Stones much-improved on his Sunderland performance.

McCarthy and Barkley were poor I thought (esp. Barkley's set pieces!!) and it wasn't one of Galloway's best games. He struggled all game against Victor Moses.

Matt Traynor
10 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:08:58
Apparently Lukaku broke a record set by Dixie Dean today? Scored against the same team 7 matches on the bounce.
Tony Hill
11 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:09:48
The very lack of excitement is, though, the talking point. I hoped that the Sunderland performance would give us confidence to continue with some fluency up front, but we didn't. The need for a high quality 10 is more glaring than ever.
Gavin Johnson
12 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:14:49
A well deserved point. Our goal was exquisite. We've certainly gone a great way in addressing the criticism of slow build up play from last season.

It would have been nice to get the 3 points but West Ham are a very strong side these days so I can't see that there's much to grumble about. We looked pretty solid defensively which has been the main criticism of late. We look pretty potent with the front 3 attacking players, Deulofeu always looks dangerous and Kone links up well with Rom.

If there was any criticism it would be that we're still missing that elusive No.10. That's not a criticism of Ross, because he played okay and threaded the through ball for Rom. I just think we need another option, ideally a more tricky player and archetypal European type midfielder who can compete with Ross for the position.

Eric Myles
13 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:16:33
A few notable points from the game.

Lukaku's first touch is still a shot, Barkley is contracting the same disease and Galloway, although playing well, has to learn to go down the left when he plays the ball to the corner of the 18 yards box and not cut inside.

Anto Byrne
14 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:18:29
We are a bit pedestrian in the middle, it seemed as though WHU had everyone back behind the ball once we had possession and then it was crab football. Only one real clear cut chance second half and lots of wasted opportunities.

I eagerly await the return of Cleverley to add a bit of variety.

Paul Thompson
15 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:35:46
Definitely a fair result. For a reasonably open game, there were few clear-cut chances for either side, indicating that defences were on top.

Ross got a lot of stick on the live forum, which was a bit overdone, but he really shouldn't be taking all the free kicks (or corners). Most of our danger, predictably was down the right.

Galloway was tentative going forward, though to be fair to him, there was seldom an Everton player in front. He's done well, but I'm looking forward to seeing Baines back.

Michael Kenrick
16 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:38:41
Martinez: "... we wanted to be tested defensively..." Uh?

Translation please.

Tom Bowers
17 Posted 07/11/2015 at 17:40:13
After beating the Hammers six times on the bounce I suppose it was inevitable the run would come to an end but not as a surprise considering the new improved West Ham.

A fair result but the surprise was there wasn't a lot more goals given how open it was and the chances created.

Everton still have defensive problems to resolve and we hope Martinez can deal with that soon.

Andrew Presly
18 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:03:56
There was no "roll the dice" option on the bench after Mirallas.

Don't wonder why you can't change the game when you sign up plodders like Lennon gaffer. Barkley needed hooking with 25 to go for that number 10 like Yarmokenko or Nolito that you opted not to sign despite the league overflowing with money.

Mid table dross!

William Cartwright
19 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:07:02
Good game to watch on the box, and a fair result. A bit embarrassed by McCarthy's slice tackle on Payet, which effectively put him out of the game. Reminiscent of Dier's assault on Cleverly.

Wonderful through ball by Gerry and great finish by Rom.

Galloway not at his best. but a really professional performance from Barry down the left side. What has happened to Browning? Has Holgate jumped up the pecking order I wonder...

Not a bad game from Tim but his inability to come for crosses, and / or catch them, seems to be more noticeable than ever. We are going to get caught out soon by this and a few points will be lost for sure.

Paul Jeronovich
20 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:08:03
Good point
Danny Broderick
21 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:08:08
I enjoyed that game. A fair result in the end. I was pleased with Lukaku - he looked a threat throughout, as did Deulofeu. Howard even seemed to come out for the ball on several occasions, which was good to see. It could possibly have gone either way, but a draw was probably a fair result.
Des Farren
22 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:10:55
Like your style Ernie, we were not great, but good enough to earn a point.
What's to complain about?
Danny Broderick
23 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:16:05
I forgot to add Stones to my list of players who played well today. He really looked good to me. Carroll was in his pocket, and he was really composed on the ball.
Jim Bennings
24 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:20:02
Good solid point against a very good team.

We need to beat both Villa and Bournemouth though, we need a winning run to build momentum, points at the likes of West Ham are only good points if you beat sides that you are meant to beat, and the woeful Aston Villa fall into that category especially at Goodison.

Just a shame we have another flamin' two week break thanks to yet ANOTHER international break!

That said, it's good to go into the break with a solid result.

Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:21:22
Galloway isn't a left back. He's a CB he did surprisingly well at LB but the more he plays the more his deficiencies as a LB are becoming apparent. Doesn't mean he's going backwards, just reminds s he's young and still developing as with Stones. James "Terry Hurlock" McCarthy on the other hand has plenty of prem experience and has shown himself to be incredibly limited. It would be a stretch to call him a "water carrier" cause he doesn't provide for others he just causes opposing water carriers to spill their buckets. I don't think a top five team needs a player like that. Instead of being bullied into upping his contract last summer we should have called his agents bluff and said "show us the money" if Spurs and ManU were really after him -- which I doubt. I'm hoping we put Cleverley in for him and groom Besic to take Barry's spot. Longer term, Ledson maybe a suitable candidate for the water carrier role of he can get over his current downturn and avoid going the way of Lundstram etc
Phil Roberts
26 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:31:44
Another "record" to go alongside the Lukaku one.

That was Everton’s youngest team since 9th May 2009 at home to Spurs, that is 26½ years.

Only Tim Howard was in both teams, although 2 other players are still on our books and out injured.

Bill Gall
27 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:33:41
Fair result away to the hammers with both sides producing excellent skills with their goal scorers. My only criticism is not only this game, but many games gone before them, that shows poor rewards from corners and free kicks.

The defence played well limiting the crosses in to Carroll who was well controlled by the central defenders but we still seem to be wasting the opportunities from dead-ball situations. I understand that you cannot score from all dead-ball situations but most of the time there seems no creativity in taking them.

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:34:54
It is very obvious Martinez is not going to change his style of play, his tactics or his philosophy so while I'll continue to watch my team I expect nothing special from them in the league and we'll be stuck with this manager while Kenwright is chairman.

More average play for the foreseeable future.

John Keating
29 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:36:02
If we want to move forward with confidence we need to be beating the likes of West Ham regardless of how their season is progressing.

A draw may well have been a fair result but I'm afraid I look at this game as 2 points dropped. We are far too predictable

Craig Fletcher
30 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:36:28
Phil Roberts, good stat, interesting. Considering though spring chickens like Kone, Barry and Howard started, I'm a bit surprised that has been our youngest team for six years.
Tony Hill
31 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:38:27
I think McCarthy is much, much better than that, Kieran (23), in terms of natural ability but I cannot disagree that he has been a major disappointment for a long time. As with Barkley, I could sometimes scream with frustration because you can see the serious talent that is in there but is so rarely expressed with any confidence.

That feeling lies behind my disappointment today; solid draw but somehow it feels as though we've again, and predictably, come up short.

Craig Fletcher
32 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:40:13
Just watching the Stoke v Chelsea game, Shaqiri is a class above all his teammates. If we had him instead of, say, Lennon, over the summer, he could have been that link we so sorely need between midfield and attack.
Brent Stephens
33 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:43:00
This season we're playing far less tikki-takki than previously. So what is it about any of our tactics that disappoints? Maybe we have to accept that we just don't have enough creativity in the locker.

And Chelsea go one down!

Gavin Johnson
34 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:49:09
Andrew #17 A bit harsh there mate. But I agree it's clearly evident we're missing a creative midfielder. As Anto says #13 we've still got Cleverley to come back, who I'd forgotten about when I made my earlier post that had a similar criticism to you of us having no other creative option in the centre of the park other than Barkley.

In the long term I'd like to see Cleverley replace Barry in the deeper role alongside McCarthy, but for the foreseeable, until Jan at the least, he might be the short term answer on his imminent return.

Dave Abrahams
35 Posted 07/11/2015 at 18:53:10
Brent, we never press teams fully until we go a goal down, it's still the lack of movement, passing and standing still, the way we constantly give the ball away, the poor substitutions, lack of substitutions, only two again today.

Martinez is obsessed with possession and although there might be less tippy tappy football there is still far too much Of this boring sleep inducing rubbish, but if you are happy with it you must be a lot more easily pleased than me.

Gavin Johnson
36 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:03:35
C'mon Dave, there were countless quick balls played forward to Rom today. We were always looking for the killer pass. I think Brent's assessment is more accurate that we're lacking a bit of creativity. Had we bought a Yarmolenko type with more vision than McCarthy, Barry, and I hate to say it, Barkley, we'd have won that game today.
Brian Williams
37 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:11:54
I thought we played quite well. If anything I think we slightly edged it but a draw was a fair result. West Ham are more than a decent side at home and to not be "overly" troubled over 90 minutes isn't too bad IMHO. Win the next two and things will look even better.
Jamie Crowley
38 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:24:05
Fair result. Good effort.

Del Boy gets me out of my seat. What a ball to Lukaku that was - second week his pinpointed a beautiful pass!

Galloway is such a fine young player, but he has to have belief in his abilities to take on a man in the final third.

Funes Mori will score from a set piece very soon.
Stones is just class.

McCarthy very, very lucky not to be sent off. Red card for me on that scissor tackle.

Onwards. Good point.

John Raftery
39 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:27:47
Romelu has equalled Bob Latchford's post war club record of 15 goals scored away from home in all competitions in a calendar year. Bob reached that total in 1977 and Rom has a few games left to set a new post war record.

Very good performances today from a much improved Stones, Gareth Barry and Deulofeu who was man of the match. Conditions were not easy with the pitch cutting up a fair bit and both teams defending in numbers. It was important for us to stay solid which we did.

This was a well earned point with which most if not all teams in the league would be content.

Brent Stephens
40 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:30:24
Dave (#32): "but if you are happy with it you must be a lot more easily pleased than me."

Not happy with it and didn't say or imply I was.

Dave Abrahams
41 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:37:09
Brent (#32) fair enough, but you didn't sound all that disappointed, so maybe you agree with some of the criticism that I pointed out.
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:41:10
Dave, I think you're criticisms are very fair. The biggy for me is that lack of creativity – given the possession we do have, had we upped the killer passes (and their accuracy) just a fraction, we'd be on a winner.

Dave Abrahams
44 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:50:15
Brent (#41),

Yes, I agree we lack the No 10 but Martinez doesn't try anything different, just plods along, maybe the Number Ten is at the club.

I think Deulofeu can play there, doesn't get tried there even as a sub. I'm not a big fan of Mirallas but he could possibly play there...

We'll never know because Martinez is nothing if he's not stubborn, does he listen to any of his coaches? That's if they've got anything to say.

Des Farren
45 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:50:21
Dave @32. The poor substitutions/lack of substitutions – which is it? Obsessed with possession? Most teams would be pleased.

But you are unhappy with it? Not sure what you want from a team playing away.

Colin Hughes
46 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:54:12
Jamie (37) don't agree with "Stones is just class". He's over-rated in my opinion, proper centre-halves know how to defend their goal.

Stones may look good on the ball when teams let him have it without pressing him but he can't head a ball and us no "heart on sleeve" type when we come under the cosh. If Chelsea come back with the same bid, I would snap their hand off.

Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:57:26
Des (#44) both.

Possession just for the sake of possession and getting nowhere is boring the pants off loads of fans, although people do not mind it.

If we had attacked West Ham today more than we did, we could have won the game, it would have been more entertaining that's for sure, which is the main reason I go to watch football.

By the way, most of West Ham's success this season has been away from home; they have only won twice at home: then again so have we!!!

Trevor Peers
48 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:57:51
Glaringly deficient down the left hand side, maybe the return of Baines will redress the balance.

To be fair to Galloway the absence of a real outlet on the left wing must be a nightmare, Ross holds on to ball far too long and becomes very predictable.

On the plus side it was a decent result, Deulofeu and Lukaku worked hard and were outstanding at times, defensively we did ok Stones was back to his best form.

Jay Woods
49 Posted 07/11/2015 at 19:59:17
Someone else suggested that Deulofeu be utilised in the "No 10" role instead of Barkley, and with a slide rule pass like that today, it's easy to see why.

Barkley needs some major reconstructive coaching surgery done on him in regard to his decision-making (which is ultimately the fault of the manager (or arguably the board... or if we're going to be utterly pedantic, John Houlding)) and by now it has to be clear that McCarthy is turning into our second greatest liability in the team, behind Tim Howard.

Peter Cummings
50 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:17:39
In the end, it was a good point but we gave away the ball too often and allowed the opposition far too much space, Yet again, Barkley disappointed: I counted four duff passes in a row from him in one second-half period and no way should he be allowed to take set pieces.

Deulofeu seems to get better with every game while Howard took a leaf out of Robles book punching out crosses he could have caught,Stones was immaculate snuffing out the Carroll threat completely I agree that McCarthy should have walked for a very bad legbreaker but, unlike Dier, his 'victim' was unharmed.

It looks like, once again, we are going to play catch up with them across the park as we always seem to do. A win for them tomorrow will see us trail by three points, when will we ever learn??

Craig Fletcher
51 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:25:40
Peter Cummings, "his victim unharmed"?

Payet was limping after the McCarthy challenge, and as a direct result of it he had to be substituted 5 minutes into the second half. Who knows how long he might be out for. If I was a West Ham fan, I'd feel aggrieved.

I agree though with your comment re Dier – he only saw yellow for the exact same challenge on Cleverley, so, for consistency's sake, McCarthy should get yellow too. In my view though, both challenges, to the letter of the law, should have seen red cards.

Also agree with you re Barkley – it was infuriating how often he gave the ball away, but unfortunately with him we have to take the rough with the smooth. There'll be those moments but there'll also be moments of real quality. Hope we see more of the latter.

Andy Ellis
52 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:32:44
Barkley was a weak link today, too many touches always, never plays a first-time ball, his head's never up. Why is he on free kicks and corners, none of them any good? Hopefully Bainesy not far away, so vital in these areas.
Brent Stephens
53 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:41:26
Dave #46 "If we had attacked West Ham today more than we did we could have won the game".

I think we probably agree that we play less tikki takki in our own third, and that we need to turn good possession into goal-scoring chances more often, to attack as you say. But I'm not sure how we can do that any better with the players we've got. I don't want to see the long, high ball from our own third to a lone Lukaku (except as an occasional ploy to keep the opposition on their toes).

I like to see players running at their man - cue Delboy etc, but we don't have anybody who can do this and run past their man enough in a game.

I like to see defence-splitting passes (but as previous posts, we also lack anybody who can do this often enough in a game).

So we end up playing a game with a fair degree of possession, few chances created. Hence the boredom sometimes. Of course, there are the odd exceptional games.

Sam Hoare
54 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:45:26
This summer I thought that that not buying a new No 10 was a terrible mistake that we would regret. Then Barkley started the season well showing genuine creativity and improved decision making and I thought I had been wrong. Now I am moving back again.

He's been inconsistent, which one would expect from a youngster perhaps but in that case we need to have other options or else our game suffers when everything is breaking down with the supposed creative fulcrum.

If you compare Barkley to Payet and his influence this season it makes you realise how much we could benefit from a consistent creative presence in that position.

Des Farren
55 Posted 07/11/2015 at 20:49:03

I would hazard a guess that the teams with higher possession stats are those above us in the table, Chelsea excluded.

Possession is a priority with most teams, yes? One can build from there. Without the ball a team can do little.

As for the subs... can't win when you argue for and against them.

Nicholas Ryan
56 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:13:25
Craig Fletcher 50 ..... 'Dier only saw yellow ....' I had a feeling that Dier did not receive a card of any kind. I've just checked the stats. and I'm right. Cleverley went off in the first half, and the only booking in the 1st half, was [inevitably] Gareth Barry!
Mark Frere
57 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:16:41
I thought we played okay today. We defended reasonably well and was a threat going forward.

Deulofeu really is maturing as a player and has so many strings to his bow. His pass to set Lukaku up was simply sublime. It was fantastic watching him beat players and put in very dangerous crosses. As proved in other games this season he doesn't even after beat his man to put in a wicked cross – very Beckham-esque in that regard. I'm just hoping Barcelona don't activate his release clause any time soon.

As others has stated, Barkley and McCarthy were woeful today and as a result, should be dropped for the next game. It's not as if we're short of options in the middle of the park. I would replace both players with Cleverley and Gibson for the Villa game. These two players will at least add a bit of creativity in central midfield. Poor performances should not go unpunished.

We really need to push on now and start putting points on the board against the so-called weaker opposition before The New Year.

Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:24:09
Des (54) against Norwich last week they had more possession than us but lost, although that was down to bad luck as they were definitely the best team.

When you are passing the ball about with no real aim of going forward but keeping possession, I.e versus Sunderland last week it was boring (for me), Sunderland we're pretty hopeless defending and we could have scored a few more, but at the end of these passing sequences someone always gave the ball away and put Sunderland on the attack and they were as good as Everton on the attack and could quite easily have scored a few themselves.

As for the substitutions, he made the wrong ones today IMO, Barklay should have replaced and possibly McCarthy, Lennon comes on with seven minutes to go which told me Martinez was happy with a draw. That was only the second substitution so one sub wasn't used, this happens quite frequently when it is patently obvious some players are having a poor game but stay on.

Michael Polley
59 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:35:50
Solid enough performance. Happy with the draw. Deulofeu getting better the more he plays. Lukaku on the score sheet again, so happy enough.
Steavey Buckley
60 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:38:13
I would like to see Deulofeu play in Barkley's place. Everton attacks always seem to breakdown either when Barkley overruns with the ball and collides into the opposing defenders; or keeps on placing miss passes. Deulofeu's range of passing is rapidly improving with every game; and has the knack of finding Lukaku with exquisite through balls or crosses.

Most of Everton played well today; while Coleman, Stones and Mori were outstanding defensively. Why someone did not tell Galloway to stand no less than 5 yards away from Victor Moses is a mystery, because in the first half, Moses had all the time and space in the world to run at the Everton defence and cause havoc.

Craig Fletcher
61 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:44:36
Thanks Nicholas (55)..... I thought Dier did get a yellow in that game, but from vague recollection you're right, it was for a later foul; not the Cleverley assault.

Dave (57); I think the other sub that could have been warranted today would have been Gibson for McCarthy at around the 80-minute mark.

Graham Mockford
62 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:52:25
Colin #45

I do despair sometimes. You think Stones is overrated.

"Proper defenders know how to defend their goal" Today he was outstanding defensively, he made numerous interceptions and tackles.

He "may look good on the ball when teams let him have it without pressing him" Utter nonsense, he is the most composed centre half in the country at the age of 21. His distribution is outstanding.

He "can't head a ball and 'no heart on his sleeve when under the cosh'" Tell that to Andy Carroll or Diego Costa or Daniel Sturridge or Harry Kane or Gomis or Pelle all of whom he has dominated with ease this season.

This lad is the best prospect I have seen in 40 years of watching Everton (and that includes Rooney). It takes all sorts I suppose.

Des Farren
63 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:53:34
Dave-Don't want to prolong this..I don'necessarily disagree with all you say but if it is pretty obvious that some players are having a poor game does Martinez not also see this or could he have other reasons for his subs?
Anyway if possession football is not to your liking, what team in the PL should Martinez model Everton on?
Steve Cotton
64 Posted 07/11/2015 at 21:58:08
My main complaint was we should have played in green...
Joe Foster
65 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:00:40
For those of us that said we will batter them, you need to check yourselves.
Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:05:32
Craig (60) it certainly wouldn't have done any harm as most of Gibson's passing is in a forward direction and he usually finds his man. Maybe next game.
Steavey Buckley
67 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:11:15
Dier performed the same type of scissors tackle that McCarthy was booked for today, but Dier was not yellow carded or even considered to be sent off.
Callum McNab
68 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:11:20
Happy with a point against a West Ham side doing well. I think Ross is trying to hard and should just play that simple ball, to many times he wants to take the whole team on looking for that glory goal.But who can replace him. Gibbo is always injured.

Just wish we could keep a clean sheet, getting a bit worrying as to the amount we are letting in, Roberto seems to have the Kevin Keegan idea of how to play. Doesn't matter how many goals we let in as long as we get more.

On another note, I hope we go for the Kid Marshall from Cardiff in January (but I doubt it) just watched him in the game against Reading, Outstanding display, what a keeper.

Dave Abrahams
69 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:12:50
Des (62) no I don't want to prolong it either but don't worry about having a different point of view, we might learn off each other.

I can't read Bobby's mind re the subs, but players can a good run of poor performances and stay in the tea, or come right back in after an injury, it seems (like a lot of managers) he does have his favourites. All we can do is watch who he selects and go along with it, or have a good moan.

Joe Foster
70 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:24:15
Your beliefs in this manager are not backed up by anything. It's always "this next game will be the one that tells us where we are". Again and again, game after game.

Martinez out for me.

Harold Matthews
71 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:29:44
Neither side deserved to win although they definitely looked the more zippier in possession. Mind you, they didn't have Barkley to put his foot on the ball and slow everything down. Thank goodness they didn't have Sakho down the middle to bother us with pace.

Our set pieces are pretty disgraceful. The delivery is woeful and Funes Mori is the only one determined to get his head on the ball. To put his head in where it hurts. Some people are just not hungry enough.

After a fine game last week, McCarthy struggled to get involved against a couple of hard working skilful midfielders on his side of the pitch but our very slow build up didn't do him any favours. I'd like to know his instructions.

Lukaku and Deulofeu combined for a great goal but the big fella's first touch is still costing us in the final third. Another lad not suited to the slow build up.

In truth, there's really not much to add, the lack of tempo being my main complaint. A draw was a fair result but West Ham didn't impress me and better tactics and a fighting attitude would have secured all three points.

Eddie Dunn
72 Posted 07/11/2015 at 22:36:30
Generally a decent point today, but Barkley is causing us to lose good positions with his inability to pass early and I agree with the others on here, who can't see why he is taking all of the free kicks.

My other worry is that our opponents are targeting Galloway, and game as the lad is, he is not a natural left back. He is not getting enough protection from whoever is operating ahead of him either, so this needs addressing asap.

We seemed happy to take the draw today – so much tippy-tappy at the back near the end.

After we had kicked two of their most dangerous players out of the game, perhaps we could have really gone for the 3 points.

That said, I am pleased to come away from there with something.

Victor Jones
74 Posted 07/11/2015 at 23:09:06
Well that's 17 points. Just another 23 to go, and we are safe for another season. So what if people don't like that approach. We were crying out for 40 points last season. And I don't see any great improvement in this team. I don't see that extra something that is going to take us into the top four. The cups are different, anything can happen, as long as we avoid a top 4 team.

We have now had 4 sloppy draws: Watford, Swansea, Liverpool and now West Ham. All points dropped IMO. But I suppose that today's result is the most acceptable. West Ham are not a bad side.

We now have three very winnable games coming up. I will be disappointed with anything less than 9 points. Why not? And I also want to see the same players as today play. No chopping and changing. They should be up to beating Villa, Bournemouth and Norwich. Although under Martinez... who knows?

This is a middle of the road Everton team. And IMO they need to up their game for the rest of the season, or it will be just the same old run of the mill nonsense of the last 20 years. I want more. But I fear that this Everton team will not deliver. Barkley and Co just don't have that little something extra in their lockers. But I live in hope. Even Leicester City are showing that something extra. Rant over.

Oliver Molloy
75 Posted 07/11/2015 at 23:18:28
So I said last week after all the "positive vibes" that we would know more after West Ham and we do.

I know it is only game 12 but we should really be beating teams that are not as good as us – it is that simple to me. West Ham were beatable today if we had gone for it from the off, but we start so slow in all our matches.

Martinez enthusiastic approach to go and find a way to win a game like this in his first season is now non-existent. I can see more of the same throughout the season, with a run in the cup if we get lucky.

Paul Hewitt
76 Posted 07/11/2015 at 23:25:54
Oliver @71.

West Ham have won at Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal. We won't do that.

Patrick Murphy
77 Posted 07/11/2015 at 23:27:33
Moyes sounds like he will be available soon, perhaps the board should seriously consider a change to placate the growing disquiet surrounding Everton's style of play and their failure to beat teams at a cantor. It would also help the board to recoup some of their vast outlay as they will be able to cash in on Lukaku, Stones and Barkley.

You never know... chastened by his 'failures' at Old Trafford and in Spain, Moyes may be more intent to prove himself and give the Goodison faithful a cavalier team that wins most games home or away. Personally I wouldn't set foot in Goodison if he did return but he's the only manager I can think of that would work under our current owners, if RM was to be removed from his position.

Jim Lloyd
78 Posted 07/11/2015 at 23:53:41
Noooooo thanks Mr Moyes.

I can't understand how it is thought that West Ham are an inferior team to us. They're a good side with fine players and are showing it by the position they hold in the league, just as Leicester are.

I thought it was a good away point today and I'll be happy if our team continues to progress, develops their consistency and hopefully keeps away from injuries.

Gerry is coming on a bundle. The main culprit to me, is Ross. Not that he isn't capable of wonderful passes and rocket shots, I think he's still yet to learn to pass the ball earlier on occasions. If he can, the nthe calls for a faster momentum, I think will be answered.

That was a good point today though.

James Stewart
79 Posted 07/11/2015 at 00:01:07
Decent away point but, after Payet went off, the game was there for the taking. As others have stated our set pieces were truly shameful at this level. Why on earth was Barkley taking everything even when Mirallas was on the pitch?

The corners were so tragic you just had to laugh. No top side would neglect dead ball situations the same way we do, it's simply embarrassing and a massive black mark on the Martinez reign.

Trevor Peers
80 Posted 07/11/2015 at 00:03:32
No chance of Moyes returning to GP. Roberto is having a reasonable season and that's all that's required to keep him in the job, by BK that's for sure.

Still mystified with some of his buys though, and some of his tactics. It's reasonable to question the manager's thinking when most weeks we are so painfully average.

Gavin Johnson
81 Posted 08/11/2015 at 00:11:16
People criticise Martinez's teams style of play but some of those Moyes teams played turgid football at times. I can remember a period when we went a handful of games without even scoring when Yakubu was misfiring after that injury.

No thanks!! Moyes coming back would most definitely be a move backwards.

Ian Riley
82 Posted 07/11/2015 at 00:15:58
Take a draw! Patrick, Moyes back! I had to read it twice! In the top ten, still in the league cup! Yes the manager frustrates the heck out of me but to sack him now would be harsh.

Imagine Moyes walking back into Goodison... his head wouldn't fit through the door! What ambition would that show? The football under him wasn't great and in all eleven years did we realistically look like winning anything.

Does anyone think the relationship between Moyes and kenwright is good? Moyes showed a complete lack of class when fergie came calling! The loyalty the club showed him with the style of football we played at times with little ambition. I would be amazed if Mr Kenwright made that call...

Phil Sammon
83 Posted 08/11/2015 at 00:27:36
Unless I misread, Patrick's Moyes comments were clearly tongue-in-cheek. Let's not annihilate the man for trying to inject a little humour.
Andy Crooks
84 Posted 08/11/2015 at 00:45:41
That was a really great goal we scored. Outstanding play from two special players.
Phil Sammon
85 Posted 08/11/2015 at 00:45:59
With regards to Barkley, I too am concerned. People go on about him not being a 'tackler'. I can accept that, but the lad is nothing short of lazy. Whenever he sees a runner go, his first reaction is to look left and right for a team-mate to go track him. When there's nobody else doing it, only then does he decide to break sweat.

I like Barkley and I don't wish to bash a promising youngster, but right now he offers the team close to nothing. Much like he did with Lukaku, Barry and Howard, Martinez seems intent to play Ross for 90 minutes regardless of form.

In Barkley's case, in particular, I see this as poor player management. Ross lacks no skill, but he needs a thoroughly good kick up the arse. A game or two on the sidelines could be exactly what he needs, especially as for the first time in ages we have 2 or 3 players who could come in and perform in his position.

Jon Withey
86 Posted 08/11/2015 at 00:55:53
Not a bad result, glad to hear the defence is doing better.

I still find it hard to believe Galloway has risen so quickly.

Roman Sidey
87 Posted 08/11/2015 at 01:00:12
What I don't understand is taking Deulofeu off with 10 minutes to go for Lennon - or anyone for that matter. With two weeks before our next league match, 10 minutes is not going to harm a player's fitness, and without him, pretty much all of our creativity went out the door.

Patrick, you've opened a can of worms there, mate. I've followed la Real's results for about 10 years now, and what Moyes has done to that team is tragic. I would put decent money on him being sacked this week, and create a multi by saying he will probably take over at Sunderland in January.

Jim Hardin
88 Posted 08/11/2015 at 01:04:05

On USA TV the announcer, after a Stones misplay dawdling on the ball from which he luckily recovered, said he was a great player playing the ball and passing it, one of the best in Europe (in the announcer's opinion) but then immediately said, he needs to tighten up his defense though. How can you be a very good defender if the primary thing you are supposed to do is an obvious weakness?

Also, he loses his man and doesn't seem to understand what "goalside" means on set pieces. He is great in the open and has the best foot skills of a center back since David Luiz (who also had defensive issues and thought he was a midfielder at times).

What Stones does not do well is contesting crosses where he is stationary and the attacking player has the momentum (like corner kicks). He does okay to better than average when he is moving towards the ball. As a Shawcross type defender he is below average. As a Luiz type defender he is good to very good. Problem is though that Everton need one or both backs to be Shawcross types, and Jags and Stones are not. Think carefully and tell me anyone who you remember who didn't like the physical challenge and hard contact as a youth who later developed that ability.

Raymond Fox
89 Posted 08/11/2015 at 01:25:07
We go to the 6th highest team in the league and get a draw, yet plenty are not satisfied.

I'm thinking you need a reality check, I don't want to beat anyone over the head with it, but we have not won anything for over 20 years, there's a good reason why we have that record, its lack of spending power.

If we had 㿔m+ to spend on a top notch midfielder to fit into this team, then we might seriously challenge the top 4.
We do have a run of playing the poorer teams in the league though so I would expect our league position to improve in the run up to Christmas.

At the moment were lacking class in 1 or 2 positions and we can hope for better but I don't really think we can expect it.

Sean McCarthy
90 Posted 08/11/2015 at 01:45:18
Colin and Graham.... what game did you watch?? In the one I saw, Stones was immense!! In the air or on the floor nothing or nobody got a sniff.

To use an old cliche it was a captain's performance and I for one would like him to be wearing the armband before the season is out.

Just simply pure class. And given the choice of Stones or that dog Shawcross I know who I'd be choosing!!!

Victor Jones
91 Posted 08/11/2015 at 02:17:02
How about Moyes coming back to look after positions 1 to 6. And to teach the players how to take a set piece. (Or maybe not.) And let Martinez look after positions 7 to 11. And don't let him have anything to do with set piece play (cause he has not got a bloody clue) anyway.

Enough of this nonsense, I hear you say. And I agree. How about our board showing some balls and going for a top manager for a change. Forget about Moyes. His brand of football was mainly dire. And I doubt that even if Martinez shot Kenwright, that he would get sacked. We really are a club lacking ambition and direction.

Just think what I would be like, had we lost today.

Paul Ward
92 Posted 08/11/2015 at 04:02:18
Callum McNab 66. "The kid Marshall" you say is over thirty now and has been outstanding for a couple of seasons. Two seasons ago Everton should have signed him but Martinez does not see a problem with our 2 useless keepers.

I watched a lot of Cardiff's relegation games and I was so impressed by him I thought he must stay in the PL. Unfortunately he picked up an injury and his age is not on his side now.

Jay Harris
94 Posted 08/11/2015 at 05:18:58
Let's be in no doubt: Stones was back to his majestic self today.

As well as having Andy Carroll in his pocket (the one concern we all had before the game), he broke forward quite a bit and his distribution was first class.

Seamus was also back to his best and Funes Mori looked very settled and even went foraging up front. In fact, I thought we should have had a penalty when Funes Mori's legs were kicked from under him.

The only weak link for me was Galloway who seems to be getting more nervous by the game recently.

Nitesh Kanchan
95 Posted 08/11/2015 at 05:51:46
So far, so good: 4 pts from 2 games. I am expecting 22 pts from possible 27; that would take us to 35 pts from 19 games. Another 35 from next 19 games would take us to 70, which should guarantee a Europa League spot or with big luck Champions League (considering we finish 4th and Serie A don't finish above EPL in coefficients).

One big concern so far is lack of goals in midfield. Lukaku can't score more than one in a game, so someone in the midfield will have to step up. Mirallas looks quite capable to do that.

Darren Hind
96 Posted 08/11/2015 at 05:56:37
Patrick #71 You're wasting your time attempting a bit of humour here, It'll sail straight over the heads of the desperate-to-be-right.

Hopefully the hard-earned and perhaps fortunate draw will put a stop to the daft notion that we had been handed the hardest start in the history of football and are now playing a group of teams who will simply hand us the points.

I really don't care who our opponents are, I don't see any world beaters in the league this season. It's all about how we play, but such is our inconsistency we are capable beating or losing to anybody on any given day. I guess that has a lot to do with having to play so many youngsters.

I'll take this point given Winston Reid could and should have made sure we got nothing; I would give us a 6 out of 10 for the overall performance.

Seen worse

Oliver Molloy
97 Posted 08/11/2015 at 08:10:53
Paul @74

I think that's what I said in a roundabout way... we know where we are. Martinez is now saying he is disappointed not to win. Why? Because he knows we are better than West Ham.

Kim Vivian
98 Posted 08/11/2015 at 08:39:52
Just read on the BBC site that Deulofeu has more assists this season than any player other than Silva and Ozil... In just how many games?

Madness not to keep him on for 90mins barring injury. For me, he is the one player who gets me excited every time he gets on the ball.

Dave Abrahams
99 Posted 08/11/2015 at 08:47:00
I think Patrick made his position over Moyes quite clear when he said he wouldn't enter Goodison again if Moyes came back. Patrick you would be in a very large queue if that unlikely scene occurred.
Laurie Hartley
100 Posted 08/11/2015 at 08:55:23
I read all the posts first then watched the replay as I usually do. I thought it was a good performance against a pretty good team (they were looking very dangerous until Payet got cleaned up; good footballer that lad... I hope his injury isn't too serious).

In my view, Stones and Funes Mori had good games and a lot of the credit for that must go to Barry. He just seems to be able to organise them from the DM position.

If Funes Mori keeps progressing, he is going to make it hard for Jagielka to get his place back. He is two-footed, can head the ball, and looks very comfortable in possession. His lack of height didn't seem to disadvantage him in his heading duels with Carroll.

Another killer pass from Deulofeu for Lukaku to run on to... another goal – he has to start every game.

I think Cleverley will make a big difference when he comes back – who gets dropped to accommodate him? For me, it would be McCarthy – to me, he is the one who slows things down.

Graham Mockford
101 Posted 08/11/2015 at 09:01:19
Jim Hardin (#86),

I would prefer to let my own eyes tell me about a player, much as I'm sure your US commentator is insightful about how to achieve a shutout against the offence.

As for Shawcross, well there's not a lot you can say there. I think Luis Enrique may be having a few sleepless nights wondering who he should bid for next summer.

Chris Gould
102 Posted 08/11/2015 at 09:18:28
Laurie, I also think Cleverley will make a difference. Personally I think it's Barkley that slows down the play. I wouldn't drop Kone or Deulofeu, so it's McCarthy or Barkley.
Laurie Hartley
103 Posted 08/11/2015 at 09:37:11

I agree with you that Kone or Deulofeu can't be dropped on current form.

Barkley or McCarthy? One tackles and harries the other one doesn't. One is a danger going forward and the other isn't.

The question is - if Cleverley does start which of the two would bring balance to the team?

Ray Roche
104 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:14:38
Martinez will have a (good) problem when Jags is fit again, Funes Mori has been top drawer and Stones was superb again yesterday. I've said before that I'd like to see Stones tried as a defensive midfielder, bringing the ball out and capable of a forward pass... Jags and Funes Mori could look after the defence.

I'd also like Deulofeu tried inside, as the #10 that he was considered to become at Barcelona. That was where his eventual position was thought to be, according to an article I read last week in the Times. That would also allow Mirallas a place on the pitch. In the last two games, he's played two through balls to Lukaku that you would struggle to see bettered anywhere.

Trevor Peers
105 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:16:05
Roberto's answer will be to play Cleverley on the left wing and drop Kone.

Dropping Barkley is the other option, McCarthy is guaranteed a place with Roberto as manager.

Ian Bennett
106 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:30:02
I'd also like to see Deulofeu given a chance in the number 10 role for a game to see how it went, and try and get Mirallas back on the right (although he really needs to up his game when he does come on, as his sub performances have been nothing special).

I don't want to get on Barkley's and McCarthy's cases, but it is so frustrating watching them. They both flatter to deceive. I am still to work out if they are inconsistent class or average with the old sprinkling of brilliance. Age is on their side, no doubt, but man they need to step it up another three or four levels for me.

Jamie Barlow
107 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:35:47
Roman @85, if you watched the game, you must have seen Deulofeu was blowing out of his arse.

I agree with you, Graham: Stones is world class. It's a funny time to be calling him out after yesterday's performance. Definitely MotM for me. Closely followed by Barry (Player of the Season so far.)

Better not mention Ross...

Dave Rinehart
108 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:50:05
Kim@95, I only saw the last 15 minutes of the game but it looked like Del Boy was knackered when he came off. Looks like he put in a heck of a shift but looked ready to come off when he did. May as well have played down a man instead of Mirallas. Where has Naismith been?
Dave Pritchard
109 Posted 08/11/2015 at 10:59:08
Decent point and reasonable performance. Plusses for me were Stones, who looked more like his old self, and Deulofeu who was our main (only?) source of dangerous attacks. Coleman seemed to be getting forward much more than of late.

Galloway looks like he needs a rest and Barkley was frustrating. Why does he need so long to decide what to do when he has the ball? Kone was also disappointing and hope he's not going to do a Naismith and become anonymous after a great hat-trick.

Brian Harrison
110 Posted 08/11/2015 at 11:27:50
As one or two posters have said already, maybe its time to give Deulofeu a run out in the Number 10 role. He is the only player in the team who can play those sublime passes.

I think its time to give Ross a break, he has had very little impact of late. I think Deulofeu is wasted on the wing he needs to be involved more in the game, I think we are beginning to see why Barca always rated this boy and we they insisted on a buy back clause.

I think Lukaku is benefiting from Deulofeu, when he sees Deulofeu with the ball in central midfield he can make the run knowing that Deulofeu will find him.

John Voigt
111 Posted 08/11/2015 at 12:07:25
A decent result. Stones really was superb.

Lukaku now has 7 goals in 12 games AND he has 4 assists. His poor 1st touch is OK by me if he keeps up the pace he's on. He's more than a handful for opposing center backs. FYI, I think Lukaku's first touch is slowly getting better with increased confidence.

I'm not going to be harsh on any of the Blues. I see Barkley and Del Boy working hard to track back when the ball is lost. Deulofeu is growing up before our eyes. Mirallas is getting less time on the pitch cause of Del Boy is ahead of him right now.

Wish there wasn't an international break. I'll miss seeing the Blues play next weekend.


Colin Malone
112 Posted 08/11/2015 at 12:26:17
Young Galloway has great attitude, but to me, it's like he has a false right leg. It takes no part in the game whatsoever. He has to swing his body around to use his left foot to tackle and pass.

I like Galloway but the coaching staff have to get him to use his right foot to get him out of jail when he has to use it.

Jay Harris
113 Posted 08/11/2015 at 14:54:45
I disagree with those advocating Deulofeu for the No 10 role.

He needs space to use his pace and work his magic.

MF is far too congested and it is a credit to Barkley that when he is on the ball he rarely loses it (except for loose passes occasionally).

Also disagree with those questioning McCarthy who since his injury has been doing all the dirty work well allowing the flair players to do their thing.

We would be a worse team without him.

Paul Kelly
114 Posted 08/11/2015 at 14:58:54
"If Funes Mori keeps progressing, he is going to make it hard for Jagielka to get his place back."

Sorry Laurie, not having a go at you but I think Jags will walk back into the team no matter who plays well, just as Baines did over Oviedo, Howard did over Robles.

El Bob has his favourites (he'll stick with them) and those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. That's why I think we're on a hiding to nothing with him in charge. Sooner he's gone the better!

Paul Tran
115 Posted 08/11/2015 at 15:12:31
Two half-decent teams that couldn't finish each other off, that scored a very good goal each.You can't fault the players for effort.

For me, there's often a lack of conviction throughout the team that holds us back. I don't think it'll come from within, so here's hoping for an inspirational signing soon.

Loved Patrick's piece re Moyes. Super sarcasm with the added benefit of flushing a few people out!

Steve Jenkins
117 Posted 08/11/2015 at 15:13:49
Agreed - Jags will be back in for "experience". I really like the younger players Martinez has brought in, when the older "favourites" of his move on and hopefully, some the youngsters come through, we should have the makings of a squad with genuine quality throughout.

The problem is when the the older favourites go, just when you think they have a season so left, Roberto states they Howard and Barry can play into their 40s.

So that's how many more years then?

James Marshall
118 Posted 08/11/2015 at 16:14:10
I thought it was a good game yesterday – I watched it with two Blues and two Hammers fans; we all enjoyed it, and thought it was the right result.

We looked balanced, and apart from looking a bit iffy defensively in the full-back positions, I thought we coped well at the back. Stones was immense, the kid is pure class and I love watching him play. The two Hammers even piped up with a few 'young Bobby Moore' moments too.

Funes Mori looks decent, quick enough to play in the PL and can tackle. He also doesn't might sticking his foot through it and playing a pass – I like him.

Barkley still does nothing defensively so does look like a bit of a luxury at times, and his inability to tackle, or lack of bottle (whichever it is) is infuriating to watch. He really does offer nothing when the oppo has the ball. He has so much talent he has to play though – I don't remember Gazza doing much defensively either.

No complaints about the game from me really – it was good to watch, two good teams having a go at each other and either could have won.

Dave Abrahams
119 Posted 08/11/2015 at 16:28:43
Jay (110),

You might be right concerning Deulofeu not being able to do the No 10 job. I think his football brain will enable him to find plenty of space and he is seeing things quicker than most, anyway I doubt Martinez will play him there but I would love to see him given the chance.

Ian Riley
120 Posted 08/11/2015 at 16:46:58
Steve, I agree! The results and performances should indicate which players are dropped. It says a lot about the type of manager who is scared to leave younger players in and experienced players out. Funes Mori and Galloway and stepped in and should stay in based on performances. Sorry to say this baines wasn't playing well before he got injured. To walk straight back into the team may see players leave.

Upsetting experienced players comes with the job. You are the manager not their friend!

Colin Glassar
121 Posted 08/11/2015 at 17:42:44
The big difference between the top teams and the likes of Spurs and Everton is the top teams never give up. Yesterday we seemed happy to settle for a draw.

Today, Spurs dominate the Arsenal for 80 mins but don't go for the killer goal, happy to play pretty football. Until this mentality changes we will always be second best.

Mark Tanton
122 Posted 08/11/2015 at 17:44:33
Sadly it is unlikely at his age, that Baines will be the player he was. His game relies on getting up and down the pitch, and this gets harder as one gets older and injuries slow the body down.

I expect he will walk back in though, as one of the things that prevents Everton moving to the next level, apart from the obvious lack of funds, is a sentimental over reliance on players whose reputation is stronger than their performance.

Jamie Barlow
123 Posted 08/11/2015 at 17:52:22
Baines is a better left back than Galloway. He might not be a better defender but his all-round full-back game is better. When he's fit, he should come straight back in.
Roman Sidey
124 Posted 08/11/2015 at 17:55:32
Jamie, I saw the match and Gerry was blowing as he should have been. However, subbing him basically ended our intent.

If I can play 80 minutes of rugby in the front row with fucked knees and shoulders, a 21-year-old pro athlete can last another 10 minutes on the football pitch.

Colin Glassar
125 Posted 08/11/2015 at 17:57:37
Let's see which Baines returns, the injury hit Baines of last season or the high flying Bainesy of old? If it's the latter then yes, Galloway will have to give way. If not, then that LB spot is up for grabs between Galloway and Garbutt.
Steve Jenkins
126 Posted 08/11/2015 at 18:11:52
Ian Riley

Agreed Ian, overall I am fan Roberto in that he's been a breath of fresh air with his positivity, albeit, at times, it becomes frustrating and cringeworthy when you just wish he'd give it straight instead of his unwavering praise.

I think he's transforming over squad, but its going to take time, as we don't have a big budget and youngsters have to be developed and bled.

That said, when youngsters come in and step up and prove to be either better players or better form, they should stay in the side.

It makes no sense to keep picking Howard and Barry, for "experience" when at times and far too often they've been the biggest liabilities on the pitch.

Experience is supposed to be a benefit not a detriment, their experience is supposed to make them better players and make better decisions.

If lost for words if somebody can tell me how experience is benefitting us when it comes to Tim Howard,all his experience and he still doesn't know when to come for a cross that has his name written all over it.

Baines will walk back in the side when fit, I don't think its a friend thing or worried about upsetting them, I just think he has this mindset about experience being vital in key areas and at times.

Seems experience is needed,of course, but not at any cost, and not when its detrimental and a liability to the team.

Callum McNab
127 Posted 08/11/2015 at 20:38:59
Paul 90. Sorry about the 'Lad' comment, just a figure of speech. Marshall has only turned 30 this year so I think he has plenty of life yet (just look at Cech at Arsenal, he is 33).

I think he would be a great asset to us and might be able to calm the defence down a bit when crosses come in.

Harold Matthews
128 Posted 09/11/2015 at 02:53:09
Callum. Never worry mate. I've got two lads and two girls. The lads are age 50 and 52.
James Marshall
129 Posted 09/11/2015 at 06:56:12
I thought Howard looked steady against West Ham - he's certainly had his problems on crosses, which happens to a lot of keepers but he does appear to have improved that aspect of his game.

There was one poor punch and one badly misjudged throw but overall I thought his command of the area was much better.

I also think people are extremely harsh on goalkeepers, and Howard has to my mind been one of our better keepers over the years.

We were also spoilt having Big Nev in the team so our view on keepers is always going to be judged against the big man which, given that he's the greatest goalkeeper that ever lived (I know I'm biased) means no other keeper will ever come close!

Paul Cherrington
130 Posted 09/11/2015 at 13:23:40
I think a draw away at West Ham with their form this season is alright to be fair. We played pretty well, from what I heard off people who went, but just couldn't get that second goal.

I know Barkley can be infuriating but a player like him will always try things that don't come off hence missed passes and lost possession. He does need to work on at least trying to do some work off the ball but let's remember the job he's in there to do: he's there to win the game when we attack, not stop the goals going in.

Callum McNab
131 Posted 09/11/2015 at 14:48:35
Harold, I know what you mean. It's what my dad still calls me now and he is 80 next year and I'm in my 50s as well. Thanks for the comment.
Jamie Crowley
132 Posted 09/11/2015 at 14:50:30
I agree full-heartedly with Jay Harris: I don't like Deulofeu at No 10 at all. I think his magic happens when he's got more space and can show-off a bit. I think at No 10 he'd lose possession too often in a more congested part of the field.

And on Tim Howard, I do think it's time for him to take a back seat, but...

I don't see how you can fault him for anything on Saturday. The only issue I can remember is he double-fist-punched a cross he should have caught. But he was way more aggressive coming off his line and commanding his six. There's plenty to be critical of, but Saturday was not one of those days. He played very well in my opinion.

Lastly Funes Mori – I can't get enough of this guy. He'll venture forward, he distributes very well, he seemingly has stolen Tim Cahill's legs for jumping, and best of all?... He'll put that damn ball in Row Z when he needs to.

I think he's gold. What a purchase at £9.5 million! Especially if Stones is off over the summer. I think Funes Mori was purchased implicitly to replace John Stones. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell. If Stones does go, Funes Mori was an absolutely "phenomenal" purchase by Martinez. In fact, he's a phenomenal purchase if Stones stays.

Tony Abrahams
133 Posted 09/11/2015 at 15:08:10
I disagree with you regarding Deulofeu getting more space on the wing, Jamie. I know we would miss some of his crosses but think, once a game gets stretched, the best place for this kid to be would be central.

Either way, I think it's time to give Barkley a little rest and let Mirallas have a little run. These are the type of players that should be rotated in order for the manager to find his best players and attacking formation.

Jim Hardin
134 Posted 09/11/2015 at 19:26:11

Funny how you would assume it was a US commentator. I am not sure what you "shutout against an offense" means but the commentators were both... wait for it.. English. Your snobbery aside, the point of the ENGLISH commentator remains valid.

Roger Holcombe
135 Posted 10/11/2015 at 05:54:06
Come on, guys, there are limits...

I have followed Everton since 1968-69 as a second team and for 99% of that time with the highest of respect for both the club and its fans...

But there was an unacceptable level of thuggery this weekend away at West Ham which made me question a club that I once held in high esteem.

Are you Everton or Stoke?

The tackle on Payet was a sickener; a weak ref never punished it and for Payet it could have proved a career-ending tackle.

Not hard play as a team... Just dirty. It was also galling to see Martinez defend it.

Mike Watson
136 Posted 10/11/2015 at 06:02:30
First time commenter here, just wanted to express my opinion and see if anyone agrees.

I feel like the team is not exploiting the open spaces in the middle of the field. Off ball movement seems to be lacking in the attacking half. I think that this will open up space on the outside for wingers to cross in the ball.

Also, I just think that RM is not the answer for sustained success. If ownership does not change in the next two years this will be an opportunity lost. I believe that if new ownership that are willing to spend money and a creative manager, new life will be injected into the club. We have all the tools to win, but they just need to be set up for success as a unit, which now seems to be lacking.

Ray Roche
137 Posted 10/11/2015 at 16:46:13
Roger (#131),

I'm think the word "thuggery" is something of an exaggeration. I'll not try to pretend that I would like to see a West Ham player tackling, say, Barkley, in that manner but it was certainly no worse than the tackle Spurs Dier made on Cleverley which put him out for a couple of months. Dier didn't even get a yellow.

West Ham under Allardyce were certainly no angels, Allardyce sides rarely are, and I'm not trying to exonerate McCarthy here, it was a bad tackle and deserved a yellow at the least but Everton are not a dirty side. Bad and mistimed tackles are part and parcel of the game and we've suffered enough over the season ourselves but we're not thugs.

Incidentally, how did you view defender James Tomkins blatant cheating last season when he fell down clutching his face in an attempt to get Mirallas sent off? It certainly led to one of the funniest photos of the year when Naismith stood and laughed at him...

Patrick Murphy
138 Posted 10/11/2015 at 16:54:40
Roger (#131)

Your first team wouldn't happen to be West Ham would it? On first look, I didn't think too much of the tackle, but on reflection it could have received a red – as should Dier have when he put Cleverley out of the team.

The injury to Cleverley was apparent and he was immediately stretchered off, which makes me wonder how much damage was done by McCarthy because the lad Payet not only stayed on the pitch but came back on the park in the second-half.

I don't see why Everton have to behave any differently to any other club, every team plays under the same set of rules and if we transgress we will be punished. Calling this current Everton side dirty or a bunch of thugs couldn't be further from the truth because a good many of them couldn't tackle a paper-bag.

Dave Abrahams
139 Posted 10/11/2015 at 17:25:16
Roger (131), yes James McCarthy could have been sent off for that tackle but it was out of character for him and he is most definitely not a dirty player.

I think you should give McCarthy and Everton the benefit of the doubt here; he and the club usually play to the rules and you have seen only recently players like Nolan giving it out for your club, I can understand you being upset but It was a one-off tackle.

Jamie Crowley
140 Posted 10/11/2015 at 22:48:29
Roger -

The tackle by McCarthy was a straight red. I agree. Those scissor challenges are filthy.

I said it (in fact screamed it from the rooftops) when Dier did Cleverly AND when Danny Rose also did it earlier in the same game (against whom I can't recall). Then there was the leg breaker the very next day in the Champions League in the Man Utd game with a scissor tackle.

Consistency dictates that when one of our own put in these violent and dirty challenges that we recognize it for what it is.

I would argue that you'll find Everton to be a very "clean" club and a club who's supporters tell it like it is when someone in Blue is "naughty".

Stoke we most definitely are not. And thuggery is not a word you can associate Everton with on any level.

Now go back to your bubbles and root for the Hammers.

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