Martinez: Money can't buy everything

by | 26/08/2015  248 Comments  [Jump to last]
Roberto Martinez was sticking to his guns after the final whistle of this evening's roller-coaster cup tie in Barnsley insisting that John Stones remains part of Everton's future and that the club will formally reject his transfer request tomorrow morning.

The manager courageously selected Stones for the Capital One Cup second round tie at his old stomping ground of Oakwell despite the 21-year-old defender having requested a move from Everton Park the day before.

Stones showed signs of the pressure when he failed to effectively deal with a cross from the right that led to Barnsley's first goal and was penalised for a poor tackle in the second half once the Blues had pulled it back to 3-3 but Martinez reserved praise for his display nonetheless.

"I thought [John] was incredible under enormous pressure," Martinez said after the 5-3 win over the League One side. "I think the authorities need to look at what has gone on because it has become a bit of a circus. John needs protection and we have fantastic plans for the future with him. Maybe if the authorities can't protect him, we'll do it ourselves.

"Our fans know all we're doing is trying to become better and John is a massive part of that. Money can not buy everything in life, there are some things like values."

Prompted once more with the question, "Not for sale?" the manager said, "Not at all."

He was also quoted as saying that the club have not responded to Stones' transfer request thus far because, "Today was a match day. The game was more important. We will reject it in the morning and get on with our business.

I am not surprised by the [transfer] request because he is a young man who is under massive pressure from people and outside influences. What we need to do is give more value to contracts. We need to bring more seriousness to being part of a football club and to making sure that contracts are important.

As if to underscore Martinez's point about the pressure on Stones in the wake of Chelsea's high-profile pursuit of him, supporters reported on Twitter seeing the team coach at a motorway services on the way back to Merseyside. Stones was asked what was happening and he was pulled away in tears by team-mate Steven Naismith.

John Stones is applauded from the field by the Everton fans following the win over Barnsley


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Helen Mallon
1 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:47:11
He, Martinez, was a class act tonight.
Steven Jones
2 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:47:13
RM Said with 5 days to go in answer to is Stones going " Not at All!"

That is definitive ... clearest we have been.

Jay Harris
3 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:48:24
Good for Martinez.

At least he is showing some balls and integrity.

John Austin
4 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:52:26
Well said Roberto.

Jay - Let's hope the Board show the same balls and integrity.

Joe O'Brien
5 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:53:27
Great to hear those words. Missed the match. How did JS play? RM said he played great. .jumping over the ball for the 1st goal looked a bit odd??
Mark Riding
6 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:54:03
He's a bit boss isn't he our Roberto, for a Catalan Clown / Spanish Charlatan.
Jim Potter
7 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:54:30
Good character to come back tonight.

Even better when Bobby just said Stones is not for sale.

Surely - added to what Woods said - then we CANNOT sell him!

Tell Chelsea and that morom José to do one.

Do not sell. At worst - this time next year he'll be worth £50m+.

If David Luis is worth 55m .....

Dave White
8 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:54:40
I soooo hope we stick to our guns on JS. I feel like many of us our staking our faith in Bobbie on the outcome of this saga. 6 days and counting!

On a related note can someone explain how a transfer request becomes public? I can't see why the club would would want to make it known that a player wants to leave? Admittedly the player could make it known, but I wondered is there a formal FA process whereby transfer requests are made public?

Mike McLoughlin
9 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:56:39
Eat my chuffing hat :-) well done Bobby and Bill
Mike Childs
10 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:56:46
RM can talk the talk but he doesn't control the purse strings so he can't do the walk. Still believe Stones and the money he generates are gone on the 1st. Typical board MO.
Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:56:50
He also said money can't buy everything and there are principals. Let's see if Bill agrees.
Dom Ungi
12 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:56:59
Joe O'Brien
13 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:57:06
Leaked to the press I'd say Dave
Colin Glassar
14 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:57:26
I think we saw a very steely eyed Martinez tonight. Gone was the smiling, smooth talking spaniard, replaced by a Chuck Norris type, cold blooded killer.

At half time he looked like he was going to throttle mcgeady and at full time I thought he was going to deck the interviewer. Carry on Roberto.

Chris Sillett
15 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:58:03
While I'd be delighted for him to stay and play like all this transfer talk never happened, tonight has made me question whether it would be good for the club. I think Stones played like a player with a move on his mind, he was making mistakes he wouldn't usually make and didn't seem himself.

It reminded me a lot of when Lescott played after his transfer request and I think we conceded six against Arsenal, well tonight was nearly four or five conceded. It makes you question whether we should just accept he wants to leave, get 㿏 million, sign a quality replacement and wish the lad luck for the future.

The team as a whole is bigger than Stones and so is the club. It will be very interesting to see how he performs at Spurs on Saturday.

Mark Goddard
16 Posted 26/08/2015 at 23:59:46
Feels strange to be saying this about Everton, but we've handled the Stones situation perfectly. Maintained our 'not for sale' stance and not backed down. A lot must be said about RM for the way he's handled it too, he has his flaws but I really do think he'll take us places. If only he had the same backing with bringing players in as he has with keeping them.
Paul Smith
17 Posted 26/08/2015 at 00:02:51
Finally a bit of backbone shown by somebody at the club. As I have said before unless Chavski are willing to cough up the david luiz money tell them where to go. Its going to be an interesting few days I think
Sandra Williams
18 Posted 26/08/2015 at 00:02:54
I think everything Roberto said tonight was said with firmness, honesty and with a 'polite' dig at the Authorities and Chelsea. I got the feeling that underneath he is actually seething about it all and I admire him for his restraint! Well said Roberto! Good job I'm not a manager tho'.....I'd have brought the game into disrepute by now! Just waiting now to see how many 'journalists'/idiots/and twits on Twitter manage to twist every word around to mean something completely different! Roll on next tuesday...I'm exhausted by it all!
Dave White
19 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:05:40
This is my issue Joe. So JS tells RM he wants to leave, no interest for RM to tell the press for obvious reasons, JS could leak it to agitate for a move, but I'm not sure that's his style...which left me wondering if there's a formal process, e.g. Any player submitting a transfer request must, for example, register it with the FA, which is then publicly accessible knowledge?

Great game tonight by the way, fortunately I only got back from work with 30 mins gone so got to see us win 5-1!

Phil Rodgers
20 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:06:22
I really hope the board are behind him with this.

I celebrated his comments like a goal!

Jim Bennings
21 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:07:40
If he stays can we please learn him to defend with a tad more gusto!

Both Stones and Jagielka are still massively suspect defensively in my opinion, don't get me wrong, Stones is class on the ball but his job is what it says on the tin, to defend, and he turns his back on too much for me and isn't really that commanding.

We definitely need defensive additions, and judging by Oviedo, who looked well off the pace, a left back now becomes a priority also.

Darryl Ritchie
22 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:10:24
"We are not a selling club." Maybe so.
Phil Rodgers
23 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:10:41

The most odius fans of any club on planet earth. Arrogance personified. I wish them the very worst.

Nigel Gregson
24 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:15:22
Blocking a transfer request for the good of the club is not something revolutionary and we should totally do it. Morgan Schneiderlin had a transfer request rejected last year, but was sold this year. Don't let player and other clubs dictate us and do business on our terms.
Jim Lloyd
25 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:16:40
I've just had a quick look at a chelski blog "we ain't got no history" Actually, they should rename it "we ain't got no class." Some tit on there intimating Roberto needs psychiatric help to "come to terms with reality!"

Poor little cockneys can't comprehend that they can wave their little cheque books...and nowt happens.

I thought Roberto handled the press/tv dudes really well. Top marks mate.

Mike (10) I think Roberto can do the walk, so I'll bet you a quid that John Stones stays.

Colin Glassar
26 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:20:45
Jim, I think both Jags and Stones were very iffy but they were playing with three lads they aren't used to (Robles, Pennington and Oviedo). I thought they got better as the game went on and Stones was clearly celebrating every goal.

Give him a few days to get over his disappointment and he'll be fine.

Patrick Murphy
27 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:20:51
Jim the kid has played less than a hundred club matches and is a baby in terms of being a centre-back, but his raw talent is there for all to see, if he keeps developing at the same rate he will be one hell of a player by the time he's 25, don't forget that most CB's don't reach their peak until their late 20s or early 30s. We need more CBs in the squad but you won't get many better ball playing defenders than JS.
Phil Rodgers
28 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:27:12
Thats the article I have just posted the link to Jim!
Clive Mitchell
29 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:27:48
Colin, 14 - agree with you completely, and RM might have to throttle mcgeady to get him off the wage bill, he's 3 years left on his contract.
Chris Wilson
30 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:29:26
They are true assholes on that blog Phil and Jim. So full of themselves with a "We can buy who we want and do what we want because we got the mun-ayyyyyyy" attitude.

I remember their attempt to undercut Roberto's tapping up comments by bringing up moments where Roberto, himself, made comments about other players who were not contracted to his team, and immediately called him a hypocrite. Their argument was cleverly shredded by our Royal Blue Mersey guys. It was an infuriating read and I never thought I would say I like Man U fans better, but...there you go. What I wouldn't give to see their fans humbled by some meltdown crisis. Like a Rangers FC type of thing.

Jim Lloyd
31 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:33:37
I know Phil, we must have read it around the same time! Only I can't do links! What a deluded little twerp he was.

Jim (21) He (John Stones) also has the small matter of a £40 million bid from Chelsea rambling round his head and I thought Roberto gave him a lot of credit for playing the game. PS. Do you think that Chelsea are prepared to pay a whopping great fee for him, should he have the basic deficcxiencies you've just put down?

Phil Rodgers
32 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:35:02
Even worse than Liverpool fans. No self awareness whatsoever.
Jim Lloyd
33 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:37:42
PS, I think our manager was abslutely bang on tonight. "Yes, he did put a transfer request in. But tonight we had an important game. I will refuse the transfer request tomorrow" Love it"

By the way, although he doen't look anywhere near fit yet, Gerry looked class. Lets hope he really comes good. I like the lad for the way he wanted to come to Everton.

Mike Hughes
34 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:40:02
I've been critical of Roberto Martinez but that post match interview was great.

It reminded me of Robert De Niro in Heat, the coffee shop scene with Al Pacino (as Jose Mourinho): "What if you do got me boxed in?"

(Wrong outcome to the movie though.)

Phil Rodgers
35 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:43:34
There are rumours on twitter that Stones was crying at a Service station. Sounds a bit mental
Ernie Baywood
36 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:45:54
I don't mind if we choose to sell Stones at the right price. That's not really the point.

The point is that it is Everton's decision to make, no matter what the media and Chelsea think. Strangely, many on TW seem to have also fallen into that mindset which is odd when you consider the general vocal criticism of our board as being small time.

I've been critical of Bobby and the board but we're seeing genuinely leadership here. A strong, consistent message. Let's see if they can keep it up.

Jim Lloyd
38 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:48:56
"We ain't got no class" Phil. They are the archetypal Cockney Geezers.
Colin Glassar
39 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:49:28
Chavs are going mental on twitter. "Not right is it bruv, little club like Everton not wanting our money?"
Jamie Sweet
40 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:50:35
I thought the "money can't buy you everything" line was absolute class from Roberto.

I'm sure this still won't stop the class-less Londoners and the gutter press from playing games all week though.

Joe O'Brien
41 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:53:16
A lot of these stories are leaked by agents I reckon,even done secretly to the players themselves. With a transfer of near 㿔m on the table his agent would be getting a nice little earner for himself. I don't know obviously myself, but that's my guess.

With the market open while the season is being played is stupid and needs to be changed. Not fair on the likes of JS, he looks like a down to earth guy that has got his head messed up. So many different people whispering in his ear for the last month.

I don't think he looked like a man tonight with a move on his mind, I think he looked like a man confused. Once the window shuts he'll come good again.
Jim Lloyd
42 Posted 27/08/2015 at 00:54:31
Yeah, they will Jamie...they couldn't stand looking like they aren't the fecking know alls they think they are.

My one slight |(big!) worry, is the board will lose their bottle and give way. Up to now though, that is a Board member Jon Wood and our Manager,both saying he is not for sale.

Keep it up, Blues.

Brian Porter
44 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:03:08
Well said Roberto! The man has gone up ten notches in my estimation tonight. Chelsea have to learn when enough is enough and their Russian roubles can't bully and buy anything or anyone they want from other clubs. Seriously the Premier League should be looking ways to stop this kind of media madness and public tapping up of contracted players.

Unless a player is officially on his club's transfer list, any attempt to buy that player should be made in private to his employer, who will have the option to sell or not without the prospective buyer being able to potentially unsettle the player or tempt him to break his legal contract of employment with his club.

Any club behaving as Chelsea have should be heavily fines and perhaps be banned from signing new players for a season. Bet Mourinho would choke on his own 'specialness' if that happened.

Come on you board, stand up and be counted with our new steely-eyed manager, and do the game in general a big favour by showing Chelsea they don't own the bloody Premier League, and that Everton F.C, a club with a long and rich history in the game are finally making a statement of intent on behalf of other, decent clubs by telling them where to stuff their filthy money!
Kristian Boyce
45 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:06:53

Ok so this might be getting a little deep, and I'm probably going to get slated for negativity, but I don't fully believe Martinez. From watching the interview clip a couple of times, Martinez shows traits in his response of him not telling the truth. A classic indicator of this is when he responds about him not being for sale, he turns his head away, and loses eye and facial contact with the interviewer.

It may of been done innocently as he didn't want to talk about it after that performance, but it hasn't filled me with full confidence.

Jack Cross
46 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:12:45
Well it looks like Stones isn't going anywhere. According to RMs after match interview. When the interviewer asked did he mean there would be no transfer? RM, said absolutely. He looked like he meant it. About time we stood up to the big boys,
Chris Wilson
47 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:16:27
I see what you're getting at Kristian, but I think that little maneuver he with his head did was more a rhythm thing when he answers questions at times. I would be more concerned if he didn't have eye-contact with the reporter at the end of the interview. I thought he looked fine and honest and strong. Hope I'm right.
Harold Matthews
49 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:20:56
We have to keep saying "Not for sale" while we're still shopping. We have to keep refusing transfer requests while we're still shopping.

We can't go after a centre back and expect a fair deal when the selling club knows we only have one experienced CB and a possible £35M in the kitty.

We can't expect a fair deal for any position with a possible £35M in the kitty.

So it's "Not for sale" and "Sorry mate, You're not going anywhere" till all our deals are done.

Joe O'Brien
50 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:32:42
That what's you reckon Harrold, that he'll be gone if we sign any replacement? I hope you're wrong ,and whoever we get in, they're only to replace the two that have been just released
Teddy Bertin
51 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:45:33
Great words from Roberto, made me proud of our club tonight. I assume that the club is behind those sentiments but if the board does decide to sell at least we know where Robbie stands and how he wants to do business. We won't be bullied by teams who assume they have a right to take our players because of the money they can wave around. I'm sure the board are behind those statements though because if they're not then it's a resigning matter for Martinez. He's said all along that he doesn't want the money and that John Stones is an Everton player under contract and vital for the future of the club. Keep this team of young stars together!
Craig Fletcher
52 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:52:10
Holy shit I've heard it all now.

ToffeeWeb is now starting to analyze every body language hint including eye contact / or lack thereof.

Oh I can't wait to read the "Transfer Deadline Day" thread now in a few days time.

No wonder Johnny Stones is crying at a service station, if my every move was being critiqued from a distance I'd be a paranoid mess too.

Let's leave the poor kid alone, cheer him and the rest of the lads on Sunday v Spurs; and trust that the club will do the right things (yes, I'm being serious!) between now and September 1.

Jackie Barry
53 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:54:24
Anyone noticed that Mourinho talks like a fool yet the media label him some kind of genius. He's pathetic seriously pathetic and Martinez is making him look like a fool. I can't wait for his backlash.
Adam Smith
56 Posted 27/08/2015 at 01:58:05
Come in for a lot of stick has Roberto, some of it justified, but he did bloody well for us today.

How he managed to get the team even vaguely focussed after the media circus is beyond me. Yet when we found ourselves two down away to a decent lower division side, in a competition in which we are perennially shite, he makes the changes necessary and turns around a deficit that has not been achieved by us In over 20 years! Then to top it all off he comes out and tells Chelsea to fuck off in a dignified manner, whilst also praising a young man who has (deservedly) come under flack from his own fans for his antics.

I know that some of the performances over the last 12 months have been dire but surely he's earned a little more vociferous backing for next time we play at Goodison?

A lot still to do; we're desperately short of players and his stance needs backing by the board but like him or loathe him tactically, I have honestly always felt that he feels honoured to be our manager and fully 'understands' this club in an era when we bemoan how few in the game do. Feel it even more now.

Chris Wilson
57 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:01:41
You're right, Jackie. Anything he says is hailed by journalists and pundits as genius, highly intelligent, etc. In reality it's like watching Marlon Brando drunkenly improvise a scene - just saying whatever and people saying, Oh my God, so great!"
Jakob Herd
58 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:04:34
Had a dream we sold him for 55million, sounds stupid money but thats what he's worth... at least. If Ruiz was worth that then the future England captain and young outstanding prospect is worth more. He will go thats for sure but Everton need to get a big windfall on this one.... Bill' phone up Roman and say he's yours for 65 million.
Anthony Dwyer
59 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:11:01
I think Stonesy will be sold to be honest, but I would love the board to stay behind Roberto on this one.

I'm not Roberto's biggest fan but he is handling this situation in a top-class way. He is constantly speaking about us as a club in a very positive manner which sometimes even clouds my judgement of him for a short period. I would much prefer Martinez was sacked if I am honest and today's performance typified many of the reasons why.

We cannot defend, I don't know what it is but we get opened up so easily time and time again it is almost untrue.

Mirallas's performance was another frustrating issue. He, for me, is one of our top performers; he works harder than any of our attacking players, constantly showing for the ball and running at defenders, but for some reason he is not a favourite with Martinez.

MGeady is a total joke and Naisy is nowhere near good enough if we want top four, but somehow they find a way onto the pitch and into a blue kit.

Joel Robles is another player who is way below Premier League level, he should have been moved on (or equally never brought to the club as Martinez had the opportunity to work with him previously.)

Howard is not the keeper he was but will probably be better than Robles if he had both arms chopped off.

The above issues should have been rectified through pre season with players being brought in to find ways of getting the best out of Miralas, Lukaku and Ross.

A decent keeper should have been bought in to enable one of the two senior keepers to be moved on.

And dead wood from the squad should have made way to free up wages for frees or loan deals if not permanent transfers.

Oh and Stones was awful today along with most of the defence including the goal keeper.

I also feel Pennington was very unlucky to be hauled off as I feel he did well.

David Cooper
60 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:50:01
I really hope RM is able to deliver on his strong words tonight. It is clear that no money is enough to sell him. But what will the Board do when faced with an outrageous amount of money. Maybe 45 million? Can they resist the temptation? And what will RM do if thet let him down?
I really think RM has shown some real integrity and passion in his after match interview. I hope come Tuesday 11pm he is still so positive.
Jason Thomas
61 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:52:34
Stones must be really feeling it if the rumours are true about the service station. Get the feeling he's regretting handing in the transfer request. Very badly advised I say. Never seen Bobby that pissed before. I don't think he knew he had it in him. More of that please Roberto.
Jason Thomas
62 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:54:22
David, don't tell Chelski, but the deadline is 6pm!
James Marshall
63 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:55:38
I can't believe some people are still in doubt. I'm one of those who's been in the 'we won't sell him camp' from the start, and nothing has changed. Internally there is no saga, as I keep saying, this is purely a media fuelled circus, nothing more.

My biggest hope after us buying some decent cover in a few areas is that Chelsea fail to buy anyone and are left with an ageing John Terry, and Kurt Zouma who looks like an accident waiting to happen. They have 26 players out on loan now, 26! An outrage if you ask me, and I wish them to fail miserably almost as much as the RS. And that's saying something.

Good on Martinez for standing firm, and good on Everton for backing Stones & not caving in.

Paul Kossoff
64 Posted 27/08/2015 at 02:56:48
Everton Park?
Victor Jones
65 Posted 27/08/2015 at 03:01:25
Roberto Martinez has gone up a notch in my book. Although he still has a lot to learn. But he might just get there. Now lets beat Spurs. And lets hope that Stones lines up against Chelsea in a few weeks time. And we beat them. Special one , my arse.

And no I have not mellowed toward Martinez. But thats what an Everton win does. Buys him more time to maybe get things right. Maybe.

Terry Murphy
66 Posted 27/08/2015 at 03:01:51
The best men that money can buy will never be as respected as the best men that money can't buy. Martinez has to keep Stones at the club or face a credibility meltdown.
James Flynn
67 Posted 27/08/2015 at 03:29:34
Stones has to be staying now.

Unless our owners are in even more callous they we think already, no way they'd let Roberto speak out in such a "Case closed!!" way to the press. Not provide ample funding for new players? Sure, same as they did to Moyes.

However, I cannot seeing them hanging the manager out to dry in public like that.

Stones has to be staying.

By the way, someone on Twitter saw Stones weeping at a gas station?
Oh brother.

Matt Traynor
68 Posted 27/08/2015 at 03:30:46
Mike #10, "Still believe Stones and the money he generates are gone on the 1st."

Well, as an Everton fan of some years, I can totally understand the sentiment! But for the first time this window, I actually believe Stones will stay.

At least till January. Deffo gone next Summer.
Unless Bill and Co have all built Caribbean homes and are going to do a last minute sale and moonlight flit.

Everton fan for 40+ years, can you tell?

David Chait
71 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:02:48
If we do reject the request, I'm expecting a lot of apologies from all the chaps who just love a conspiracy theory that it was shoved on him by the Board...

James Marshall very important point about loans from Chelsea. Been thinking that no players should be allowed to be loaned out within 2 years of buying them. Chelsea have a model of buying very good talent, never spending any time developing and selling for big money e.g. Lukaku and De Bruyn...By limiting the option to loan on it allows these players to either move to a club that wants them now, or let them continue developing in clubs that provide them with the right environment at this stage of their lives.

If we hold on, I'm very impressed by our club! Very impressed!

Brian Porter
72 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:14:24
Roberto Martinez has earned bucketfuls of respect in this situation. He has displayed a quiet dignity at all times, when others would gave probably gone into meltdown and blown their top repeatedly. How many times has he said Stones in not for sale? But, does that arrogant prick Mourinho award Roberto's words with respect? No, which shows what a true piece of s##t he is.Hopefully we will soon have the pleasure of seeing that self-satisfied, arrogant smirk wiped from his face. With only a few days left of the window, I believe we must trust the words of Roberto who is proving himself to be a 'real' man over this issue. If the board were now to capitulate and allow Stones to go it would really place our manager in a terrible position where he may feel the only honourable thing to do would be to resign, after being publicly humiliated by his own board, which is what it would amount to. If that did happen, would Mourinho and his dirty tricks department feel a tiny prick of conscience? Would they hell. That Portugese pillock (and I'm not racist, having Portugese ancestry), wouldn't know what a conscience is, and John Stones doesn't know how lucky he is that RM is taking such a strong stance. When the manager says we must protect Stones, he is dead right, because Jose Mourinho does NOT develop talent. He buts it and if it doesn't deliver, he quickly gets rid. If Stones made the mistakes under Mourinho that he made last night, the lad would soon find himself being farmed out on loan to some no-mark Euro team in Greece or Turkey and his England career on the back burner before it's had a chance to catch fire. Listen to Roberto, John Stones. For once he really does know what he's talking about.
Andy Codling
73 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:32:41
Excellent news on Martinez stance about Stones. However I would still like to know why we have only spent 4.2 million this year.
Mike Green
74 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:32:54
Martinez is right, money can't buy everything, but there aren't many things on that list and John Stones isn't one of them. £100m......? What would we say to that? £200m? What if we offered Stones £250k a week.......? What would happen to his transfer request then......?

All we are watching is the dance.

Dick Fearon
75 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:47:45
Correct me if I am wrong but if a player officially requests a transfer he forgoes 10% of the fee?
Where a player who does not officially request a transfer is he entitled to 10% of the transfer fee?
Jim Bennings
76 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:57:27
There will be nobody thanking the board if Stones does stay, that's the very least they can do, stand strong.

Because they have spent no money and the Stones saga this week has taken that fact off the radar somewhat!

We need to sign players before Tuesday..

Peter McHugh
77 Posted 27/08/2015 at 06:57:59
No way he's going. Simple.
Tom R Owen
78 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:01:02
I applaud RM for his statement on John Stones.
His dignity and professionalism is there for all to see.
Stones is only 21, same age as one of my children. The peer pressure he must be under is huge , I know my son would think London and loads of dosh! No brainer !especially if his "advisors" say the same.
I hope however he does in a quiet moment think about his career and seeing what happened to Lukaku and many others that Chelsea is not such a good idea.
Finally I hope this episode has shown Jose " Moron" that you can't expect EVERYONE to roll over when money is flashed
Can't wait for your arrival at GP in a couple of weeks!!
Adam Luszniak
79 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:01:14
If the story from the service station is anything to go by then Stones is obviously under huge pressure and feeling it too. I said last night on the Live Forum that I felt sorry for him. He has been the target of the kind of media whirlwind that only comes along once in a while, and Roberto is right to say that the FA should protect him. It is refreshing to hear a manager say they care about a player (a concept Mourinho i'm sure is unfamiliar with). John Stones is not just a football player, an asset or a contract. He's 21 year old at a crucial stage in his development. Hell 21 is a hard age to be anything let alone a professional football with the media wolves baying at your door.
Chris Kelly
80 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:09:28
Great to see the stance from the club. Roberto has come out stronger and would have one challenging day yesterday. Just need to continue with our plan to strengthen as last night reinforced some of the area we need to add quality. The game with cheslea is going to be a humdinger!
Matt Traynor
81 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:13:50
Andy #64, I think we've paid a load of money out to BVI? Never heard of that club though. Is it in Belgium? For a player called Pae Dae Lowan? It'll probably be in the next set of accounts, given all the interest involved.
Andy Codling
82 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:25:27
Keeping Stones will be like a new signing!
Denis Richardson
83 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:27:07
Much as I'd like the manager gone, I'll give credit where it's due re his comments on Stones. Still a few days left tho.

The RS held firm for a year with ratboy and then squeezed barca for 76m. We should do the same. However, RM should not be naive to think Stones will see out his contract for his 'project'. If he's not gone this week it will likely be next summer.

Let's try and get 40-50m and use the money to sort out the stadium. We're not winning anything or getting relegated in the near term as it is. We'll also get a further 40m a year in TV money next year!

Derek Thomas
84 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:34:32
Which ever way this whole dogs breakfast ends and the are any number of permutations. The Chelsea game in a couple of weeks should go off with a bang.

Harold's view Re keeping down the cost of Incoming players has a air of Relpolitik about it.

The wheel's still in spin and the fat lady hasn't even phoned for a taxi yet.

Christopher Timmins
85 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:51:31
Andy, keeping Stones will not be a new signing but BK might spin as being one. We need 3 players in before now and Tuesday evening!
Kim Vivian
86 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:55:29
I haven't read all these posts yet so this may have been mentioned.

I am very concerned at rumours of how upset JS appears to have been as a result of abuse from Everton (so called) fans. This may or may not be true.
The lad is only 21 FFS - 2 months older than my youngest son - so still very,very impressionable. So I say to you vociferous critics of Stones, and I have read some pretty puerile and harsh things on here over the last couple of days, and anyone responsible (if it's true) for any abuse dished out - you are simply driving him away. He should feel supported and appreciated by us 100% - every touch cheered and fully understand he is part of a big and supportive family at Everton.
He still has much to learn (who hasn't at 21) and plenty of time to do it hopefully with EFC. We all want him to stay and I really hope he does so please, as supporters of this club let's not be publicly vilifying him for being ambitious but encourage him to achieve those ambitions at least in the short/mid term with Everton.
With his help could even be the long term.
And respect to RM - good to see some steel and passion.
He's becoming an Evertonian

Martin O'Sullivan
87 Posted 27/08/2015 at 07:56:40
If this is the case and we are going to stand firm and not sell stones, then we also need to react quickly and get some quality in the door to put on that pitch with him. If I was stones and looking at the ambition the club has shown in this years transfer market you would question yourself!!!
Anthony Flack
88 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:00:30
Unfortunately I expect the press to wheel out half cocked pundits to exclaim we are disrespecting JS by obstructing his development. One line I expect to be trotted out is, if he leaves it will be good for England.

All utter bollocks. Stick to our guns, support the lad, support Roberto, support the board....Sorry lost it at the last point.. .

Kim Vivian
89 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:01:23
Brian # 63 (last time I looked).
I agree with every word.

Chris Wilson
90 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:02:42
It's an interesting point, Adam (70). If the reports are true, maybe the poor kid is being emotionally stretched all over the place?

I don't know who has seen the the Brian McBride video on ToffeeWeb's front page, but McBride feels very strongly that John should stay at Everton. He also says something very interesting in that he was surprised John put in a Transfer Request. Brian felt that John's performances have been very professional despite all the rumors surrounding him and that this TR was, for him, literally out of the blue and out of character. Brian suggested that this was not necessarily a move made by John, but that this was an agent move; convincing him this was the right thing at this time. Stonesy seems like a really great kid; somebody that doesn't want to disappoint anyone. Maybe there's some conflict going on with him about all of this?

If these rumors about his emotional outburst are true, then this is NOT the right thing for him at this time. To go to a perennial EPL and Champions League contender, in a dressing room full of alpha males, with one of the most highly demanding and unforgiving managers in the game. Anybody think John Terry or Jose Mourinho will be so empathetic if they find Stones having a cry in the dressing room? Let's not forget the pressure of playing under a microscope in the beating heart of the English sports and tabloid press. Maybe Roberto knows more than any us - that John Stones needs to be protected until he's ready. Hopefully one day (if he stays past Sept.1) he'll say that he is be the captain of Everton Football Club

Kase Chow
91 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:08:03
Why are Evertonians abusing John Stones? What utter idiots

He's a human being and has served us well and we're trying to create reasons for him to stay - not leave us

What nasty idiots. So disappointed to leave of this. Ruins the euphoria of last nights win

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:09:02
The media can't get their heads around this. "Money can't buy you everything"? What does that mean? According to Murdoch, abramovitch, Mansour, Mourinho, ssn, press is everything and everyone has a price e.g. Politicians, civil servants, clergy, press barons and, especially footballers!

It's so refreshing to see our own Don Quixote fighting the good fight for honesty and decency. At the same time so sad to see Wolfsburg and Juventus weakening before the petrodollars.

Chris Wilson
93 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:16:58
I'll say this, I don't know how common it is for fans to stalk players back to their homes; but I don't like hearing our fans following John home, harassing him, calling him a "rat" and telling him to "fuck off". I don't think that makes things any easier.
Colin Glassar
94 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:25:09
So are these rumours about Stonesy breaking down true then? I thought it was just Phil messing around. If so-called Everton fans were involved I hope they feel ashamed of themselves.
Tony Draper
95 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:27:49
Like many, I'm both surprised and impressed at seeing Roberto Martinez tough side. (I do prefer "Bare-Knuckle Bobby" to Bobby Brown Shoes). It was needed and bloody hell it's encouraging.

This polite, warm and friendly man confirmed that he has a steely spine and we need that. It also encourages me that he has visibly evolved. That also strongly indicates that other aspects of our manager have changed. Good.

God help chavski on 12th September, because the "Old Lady" will be giving them pure hell.

Ray Roche
96 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:30:05
Just imagine, if Stones doesn't really WANT to leave, but has put his trust in his agent, who, as we all realise about agents, just wants to line his own pocket as he protests that he's "Helping his client". Stones has always appeared comfortable at Everton but if his agent sees a massive pay packet for himself, will do al he can to engineer a move, even if it's not in Stones best interests. If Stones suffered a career ending injury the agent has missed out big time.

Stones is still a relatively young man who's every move on the pitch is watched and criticised and he is now under unimaginable pressure. Gobshites following him home and calling him a rat will only make him dislike Everton and really want to go. And if he isn't sold, would you try and work your bollocks off for fans like those who called him a rat?

He's not in a good place right now.

Colin Glassar
97 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:33:07
Tony, I've heard it a few times now players saying he can give them the hair dryer treatment as good as anyone. I think his public persona is very different behind closed doors. His face at half time spoke more than a 1000 words.
Tony Draper
98 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:35:14
Absolutely it did Colin, and his departure for the dressing room solidly underlined his facial expression.
Trevor Peers
99 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:39:06
For once we are united 100% behind our manager, I thought it was a forgone conclusion that BK would take the money for Stones.
But we have made the right decision on this and hopefully it will reflect in our results on the field, and unifies the squad.
Stones is far too young to sit on Chelsea,s bench and has been badly advised.
Tony Draper
100 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:41:53
Can anyone please confirm or deny my understanding that John Stones agent is his Dad ?

If Everton have done exactly the right thing by John Stones so far (and I 100% believe that they have), then a couple of morons spouting abuse in his face could well have fucked that up. Fortunately Naisy was on hand and there is no-one better equipped or tougher to be on Stonesy's side.

Chris Leyland
101 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:42:56
How do we know that 'fans' are following him home and calling him a rat?
Ray Roche
102 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:44:10
Tony, see below.

Mark Tanton
103 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:50:29
I am really surprised, and relieved actually, that this service station altercation wasn't recorded on a mobile. I still fear the worst, but Martinez clearly isn't for being dicked around at the moment. I was pleased to see the sight of him, arms crossed, eyes of Caligula , stalking off to set up an all time bollocking before the half time whistle went.

I think last night was a bit of sea-change moment in the relationship between Evertonians and Martinez. After eleven years of Moyes it was never going to happen over night (despite the first season of fantasy football).

After last night, and the way he has repeatedly been the only senior member of the club showing up, he's earned new respect. Martinez is playing CEO, Chairman and manager in the absence of boardroom leadership.

Bobby's one of us now.

Jonathan Davis
104 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:52:35
Can I suggest that some of you hold off with the moral panic regarding the alledged behaviour of some Everton fans. I was at the game last night and as usual our thousands of away fans were outstanding.

And if you honestly believe that a Premier League club stopped off at a service station on the M62 last night then you are welcome to your conspiracy theories.

"Hey driver next service station for a piss stop. Naisey wants some Red Bull and a Ginsters and Rom's touching cloth".


Colin Glassar
105 Posted 27/08/2015 at 08:55:34
I defended Martinez to the hilt last season as I realised he was on a massive learning curve at Everton.
There's a huge gulf between managing Everton and clubs like Swansea and Wigan and he's now (I think) cottoned on to the fact that we are far more demanding than his former clubs.
NSNO Roberto. IRIT.
Mark Tanton
106 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:00:27
Difficult now to pick the side for Tottenham, but here's mine..

24. Howard

23. Coleman
6. Jagielka
5. Stones
8. Oviedo

19. Deulofeu
15. Cleverley
16. McCarthy
20. Barkley

11. Mirallas
10. Lukaku

Kim Vivian
107 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:01:49
Is there any way this thread can get in front of JS?
I am sure he would appreciate knowing about this love-fest.

Oh and by the way... if I am at a game (all too rare these days because of distance and work pressures) and I see an Everton animal giving him abuse I will gladly knock his lights out.
And it's handy to know there might be a couple of people off this thread who might hold you while I do it...!
Tony Draper
108 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:01:54
Thanks Ray, unfortunately that link isn't working (for me at least).
Mike Allison
109 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:09:01
Surprised to see criticism of Stones' performance tonight, I thought he was very good. Barnsley's first two goals were very lucky, the third was very good, and they didn't have any other shots on target until very late in the game. Other than that we absolutely dominated the game, the stats are there to see.
Andrew Ellams
110 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:11:54
Who says Stones actually wants to go? He's a 21 year old under major pressure not least from agents who are just a bunch of sharks who are more interested in their piece of the pie than what's best for the player.
Jim Bennings
111 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:12:39
The type of fans who go around abusing people like John Stones calling him names are same lowlife that wind down a car window when they are at the traffic lights and you are crossing, they shout some obscenity at you, shithouse kopite behaviour so it disappoints me to hear our own fans doing this.

If Stones goes he goes and we make sure we bend Chelsea and Mourinho over as far as we can and rip them off for 10 extra million.

If he stays fine but we can't pretend it's been some sort of successful transfer window, it has not, it's been a major letdown and the board have failed to back the manager in any way shape or form.

Dave Abrahams
112 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:19:18
Brilliant Robby, you want him to stay, we want him to stay, except the idiots booing him off the pitch and calling him a rat,I've seen it on film, disgusting, we've got our share of pure head cases, we could do without these lunatics.

Anyway I digress, most of us want him to stay, it's now up to Kenwrightand his adviser, Green, I think it has gone too far and he will go, these fans are not helping.

Naismith defended Stones apparently, "it's not his fault, he's got to go" was the words he used, but that is a reported conversation,I never heard it.

Dave Abrahams
113 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:19:18
Brilliant Robby, you want him to stay, we want him to stay, except the idiots booing him off the pitch and calling him a rat,I've seen it on film, disgusting, we've got our share of pure head cases, we could do without these lunatics.

Anyway I digress, most of us want him to stay, it's now up to Kenwrightand his adviser, Green, I think it has gone too far and he will go, these fans are not helping.

Naismith defended Stones apparently, "it's not his fault, he's got to go" was the words he used, but that is a reported conversation,I never heard it.

Eddie Dunn
114 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:20:32
I also read the link to "We ain't got no history", and although there were some indignant pricks on there, it was also the case that other comments supported Everton's right to keep their player.
The biggest criticism was one of hypocrisy, as we took Stones from Barnsley,( ironically just as Roberto was supposed to be getting him for Wigan), and our recent capture of Hollgate shows that we can cherry-pick Barnsley's best youngsters, but have a fit when Chelsea come to offer our boy a better life!

Of course it is the processes involved and the correct channels to operate in that annoy us fans.
If the club want to sell then fine( we wanted the Rooney money) and if the sellers have time to use the money to strengthen, then the club may decide it is good business.
Unfortunately many of these protracted approaches are designed to unsettle rival clubs, and upset their dressingrooms, alerting greedy agents to agitate for a move, or otherwise, greatly improved contracts.

The eventual deals done on deadline night often leave the weaker selling club with no time to reinvest, and so have no replacement and money that can't make a difference until the next window.
I admire our manager for his stance, he is a tough nut, and we know he can be stubborn. Well he has gone up in my estimation.
Let's hope this episode is one that can glue us all together, instead of tearing us apart, and a "seige mentality" can be used to galvanise us for the season ahead, including the imminent Chelski visit.
I hope they feel our hatred and that prat Mourinho gets his ears burnt.

Ian Jones
115 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:22:00
I didn't see Roberto Martinez interview after the game but it seems from the posters and what I read on BBC website that it was a strong one......dare I say phenomenal

Whilst 40 to 50 million would be handy for a player like John Stones - I think standing up and taking a stand against the clubs with money is more important for the next 2 transfer windows anyway.

Loved the chants at the match last night of 'F... off Mourinho'. Also noticed in the first half that everytime John Stones got the ball he was clapped. If that was the Everton fans then we all have to be proud of them.

If John stays this window, then all in all a good night for the club.

Bit about the game. A few in the Live Forum mentioned John's performance was a bit off and he was affected by the game. Personally I think it was a typical Everton defensive performance. Whoever we have on the starting line up I feel our defensive unit is frail. Always a mistake or two in there. But then I think Martinez has indicated in the past as long as we score more than the opposition then hey what's the problem. Of course until we get players able to create more chances up front etc, this strategy doesn't work too well. We know we can score 3 against Chelsea. But we also know we can concede 6. Which brings me back to 40-50 million is alot to spend on a few players!

We gave good players at the club. Not quite there yet as a good team. This idea that teams are in transition is always a good one. How long do transition stages last before you enter the next one.

I would suggest that with everything that has gone on in the past week or two and with this game being televised and back at his old club, with John Stones every movement analysed, perhaps he was a bit nervous and feeling the pressure.

John Audsley
116 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:34:03
RM has thrown it back to Bill and the board with his interview. He says that the chairman understands the team will be weaker and he ain't going.

If he does go it will be a board decision, RM rightly wants him to stay.

Will the board turn 40M down??

I hope so but I don't really trust Mr K and his bunch of bandits...One bit.

Oliver Molloy
117 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:37:12
When Stones jumped over the ball last night, I roared and shouted at the telly so loud that the neighbours probably thought something was up, had I been at the match in person and the opportunity presented itself to have a word, it would have been something like " come on John, we really need you , big 2nd half for us oh by the way PLEASE STAY"
Nothing wrong with getting angry, but anger and abuse are totally different.
Some will say in submitting a transfer request he has brought any trouble with Everton fans on himself.
I am not happy he did this, but he is being advised by his agent whoever that is.
I don't think he will leave, too many NO'S and TOO LATE NOW TO REPLACE.
Martinez will have had the conversation with Bill " get me the Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid etc centre backs to replace John and you can sell him Bill"
Let us all hope Bill got the message in that.

Sam Hoare
118 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:41:02
And so the drama ramps up and up. Difficult to call now though this latest defiance will surely put an additional wedge onto the price if it does happen as it would totally undermine Roberto. £45m? Can't see that happening.

I said a few days ago that I thought he would be staying because to let him go would mean the end of Roberto. He's essentially given his word on the matter several times over now and it would be hard to regain the trust of an already doubting fanbase looking for another reason to cast a stone...

Hopefully the lad deals with it well and shows that he's worth the sums being bandied about. Does make me think that if our defence is that porous with a £40m CB then what might it look like with a £5m one?! We have played best in the last decade when riled up and backs against the wall so hopefully this whole episode serves as the rocket fuel we need to galvanise the team and turn this decent start to the season into a good one. Think alot of people might even take beating Chelsea over the RS this year!

Brent Stephens
119 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:45:48
Roberto "We will reject it [transfer request] in the morning and get on with our business."

I like the general tenor of what he said last night (money can't buy everything etc) but can't quite understand that statement. If he's saying that publicly in an interview, them isn't John going to know before the next day?

Anyway, well done Roberto.

Tony Draper
120 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:54:40
Brent @109.

It could well be that Roberto has already verbally informed John that his written request will be declined, but that the clubs official written confirmation (from our legal dept) to John and the agency representing him would be happening today (Thursday). (But I'm supposing and don't know for sure).

John Dempster
121 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:59:34
As I see it, we will either keep Stones and Martinez or we will lose both of them. Colours have been tied to the mast. If the board cave in then we are doomed.
Ian Jones
122 Posted 27/08/2015 at 09:59:58
Hi Brent, re John Stones knowing before the next day.

I assume there is a formal process to be followed when rejecting transfer requests, for example, contacting the BBC, Sky and the media in general to seek their permission to reject such requests.

It seems fair that we should do that first as they seem to be the ones who have been angling for the move to happen!

Brent Stephens
123 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:00:47
Tony, that could be it, mate. Just sounded a bit strange. Not a big point for me.
Brent Stephens
124 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:01:52
Ian - ah! I knew there was a good reason for it! Excellent!
David Hallwood
125 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:06:16
A quick point: If the board accept Chelsea's money a la Peter Johnson, will RM walk?

But my main point, and as a type I'm digging a trench and putting the tin helmet on, but I ask the question how good is Stones as a DEFENDER. Yes he moves like a gazelle and we're not use to seeing ball playing CB; in fact I the time I've been watching football the UK has produced less than 10.

But call me old fashioned, but I want my defenders to defend, a d even allowing for his tender years, he's all over the place with little positional sense and/or tactical awareness. The amount of times he runs out of position leaving gaping holes in the defensive wall is alarming.

Compare and contrast that with Kompany (ok he's fully formed) or John Terry, even in his early 20's Terry, who has never been fast but his positional awareness was 1st class, and he saw his primary objective as to stop the opposition forwards scoring and to be a right nasty bastard; top marks in both. Plus he chipped in with a few goals.

I mentioned those 2 because they are up there with the best but there are countless other examples; Ryan 'Rugby League' Shawcross for instance. Primary function, make the CF realise he's in a game.

Maybe Stones will develop into an outstanding CB but from what I'm watching, if you take away the easy on the eye appeal, he's still potential.

Brent Stephens
126 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:08:18
Roberto "money can't buy everything". I did love that. But actually I think he might be wrong. We'd sell if offered enough - at some point that would be so much that we couldn't refuse.

What are the "values" that are making us say "no" at this point? I think they are purely market values.

Ian Jones
127 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:16:25
David. I have been saying similar. I add Tony Adams to that list. When they came into their teams, you could see how commanding they were and had leadership material. I don't get that with John Stones at the moment. It's great to see ball playing defenders. Someone likened John Stones to Franz Beckenbauer. But I remember him as more of a sweeper moving through the defensive unit with the ball. Different era I suppose.

As for gazelle. I see Stones more as a giraffe. Tony Adams though was seen as a donkey. Not sure how I would describe John Terry. Thoroughly decent honest bloke perhaps.

Jim Potter
128 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:16:55
I seem to recall it was a League (Milk) Cup away tie I was at v Oxford that changed things around for Kendall all those years ago.

Let's hope this has been Roberto's break of luck ...

Lewis Barclay
129 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:17:39
We must beat Chelski home and away this season.
Tony Waring
130 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:18:46
On the assumption that JS eventually is sold - but definitely not in this window - no way should we swap a thoroughbred for that carthorse Jones of Man Utd as mooted by the Echo.
John Keating
131 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:23:32
I am a critic of Martinez' tactics and football philosophy, however, after his interviews last night I have to say he was class.
Just because a player puts in a transfer request does not mean the Club have to sell him.
Once it is clear in Stones' mind that he will be going nowhere this season, due to various reasons all discussed, he will settle down and continue his assured displays.
Well done Martinez, credit where it is due.
Phil Walling
132 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:28:46
''Would RM walk?'' asks David Hallwood above. ''Money isn't everything'' says the manager, and bridles at the thought that Stonsey wants away.

And this from a man defiled by Swansea fans for chastising his then players for requesting transfers and then walked out on them as soon as Broken Leg Bill offered him his first Premier job !

Smoke and mirrors as they say.......... or Wikapedia if you want a wry smile !

Iain Latchford
133 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:29:35
As Ned Flanders would say, "We're in a rhubard, of a pickle, or Jam here".

£40m is A LOT of money. At what point are we cutting off our nose to spite our face here ? £40m for Stones, plus an additional £20m (our assumed transfer kitty) can do a lot for Everton. This is IF all of the money went to RM, and that's the key point for me. I'd rather keep him than lose him and half the money disappear, but I'm thinking £60m spent on players is more beneficial to us than one John Stones. If you say these words slowly they seem to hit the spot...


Phil Walling
134 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:30:41
Dave not BIll......even if the alliteration is better !
Phil Sammon
135 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:31:35
I very stupidly listen to Jason Cundy on TalkSport on my way to work this morning. He argued that Stones has every right to leave Everton and that to force a move he should have told RM he wasn't willing to play against Barnsley.

Apparently we at Everton are hypocrites. We nabbed him from Barnsley and now Chelsea can rightfully nab him from us.

Is it any wonder football is in tatters when idiots like him have a public platform?!

What Cundy fails to grasp is the way Everton and Barnsley conducted themselves. Both agreed a fair fee at a time that was suitable for both parties. That is worlds apart from what is going on here between Everton and Chelsea.

Also, Stones has a contract to honor. He can submit a transfer request and we can look at letting him go when we are good and ready. In the meantime he should go about his job in a professional manner - which I get the impression he will do.

I don't know why I'm so wound up about Cundy's comments...I'm just staggered that a human being could truly be so stupid.

Iain Latchford
136 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:34:00
* That's..."..a Rhubard, of a pickle, of a Jam..."
Mark Tanton
137 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:37:24
Mr Former Bang Average Footballer Cundy and his utterly cretinous wife are of absolutely no concern to Everton.
Phil Rodgers
138 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:41:09
People just don't understand that we don't want to sell him. Its unfathomable that a team would want to keep their best players.

Cundy is a typical Chelsea fan who has no self awareness whatsoever, he has forgot his team were once insignificant, he is a hypocrite who is stealing valuable oxygen.

Matt Traynor
139 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:43:59
Phil #124, the likes of Cundy (and your average tabloid reader it would appear) don't understand what "contract" means.

Cundy and his ilk think it's acceptable for a footballer to break that contract as and when he sees fit with no recriminations?

Mind you, Cundy broke his contract whenever he took to the pitch, impersonating a footballer...

Seriously though the PFA (not the FA, for once they're relatively innocent) need to modernise their approach in light of mega salaries. Of course they won't, as their £3.5m / year Chairman is as big a dinosaur as Blatter.

Drew Shortis
140 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:48:33
Phil Rodgers 23
Some real pieces of work on that We Have No History site. Someone compared their pursuit of Stones to our acquisition of Holgate. If I remember correctly we brought him with several weeks to go, didn't fanny about with insulting bids, gave them £1m up front (twice the amount their entire team cost to assemble according to last nights commentary) and I'm sure there are some pretty substantial add ons and a sell on percentage too. I don't recall any resistance from Barnsley, EFC tapping up the player, mind games etc...

To compare Everton's situation with Barnsley is insulting. We aren't a League 1 side happy to get a million quid for a prospect. We are a big team with a huge history and big ambition. One day we might be in a position where we can afford to sell Stones, but right now it would be disastrous for our season and we have every right to say no. We haven't said he can never leave us, just that he is under contract and he's not going anywhere right now. I fail to see where EFC has been in any way hypocritical here!

Phil Bellis
141 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:51:27
At the Everton end last night, near the tunnel
Stones was politely clapped, any muttering of boo was very sparse and rewarded with rude reminders he is playing for EFC
One of the last off and returned our applause
GD gave away his shirt and Rom his banana boots
Oliver Molloy
142 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:52:39
I'm with you Phil. I also listened to Cundy and he got me fairly wound up, but of course that's his job, I know now the man is plain stupid.
I was posting that I had been listening to talk sport and Cundy and was advised by fellow toffee webbers to give talk sport a miss.
His reasoning that Chelsea have a divine right to get their man was so biased and ridiculous that any football fan would know he is a total prick.
Phil Rodgers
143 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:54:29
"Mind you, Cundy broke his contract whenever he took to the pitch, impersonating a footballer..."


Can you imagine if he was playing now? I sure he would walk into that Chelsea side...

Chris Williams
144 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:56:33
As someone said on TW a while ago, big fleas have little fleas. Bottom feeders like him and so called journalists like Lewis, Samuels, Richardson wouldn't recognise VALUES if they bit them on the arse.

Oscar Wilde would have called them people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. As far as they are concerned Roberto could have been talking Martian.

They just don't get it, so don't waste your time agonising about it folks. Sit calmly on the moral high ground, stick to your values and regard them with the contempt they deserve.

Nothing is forever.

Dan Nulty
145 Posted 27/08/2015 at 10:57:31
I wouldn't get wound up by Cundy. He is as average a broadcaster as he was a footballer. All they do on Talksport, apart from Brazil, is come out ith ridiculous comments to try and wind a set of fans up so that they phone in. I'm sure they probably make money from you phoning also so they keep you on hold for ages.

Everton have done their business honourably with Stones and Holgate. Clearly Chelsea haven't and quite frankly, given how upset Stones has been made by all this then they should hang their heads in shame. Jose won't be bothered, he probably chuckled into his glass of red wine hearing that Stones was upset. Terry will be really glad Stones isn't going. I don't believe for one second that he is at all happy at being subbed, the only thing I can think is that Chelsea have offered him a role following retirement as all he is bothered about is himself. You only have to look at his parents to understand why he has no regard for anyone but himself.

Everton should report them to the FA and the PFA. It is about time the authorities cleaned this spotr up. Agents should only be paid by the people they represent - the players. There is no need for clubs to pay them and it should be illiegal. Players shouldn't be receiving anything from a transfer fee.

Tony Abrahams
146 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:00:19
That's why I have a lot of time for John Stones. He could have said he wasn't prepared to play last night, but he's obviously a very sensible kid who has been put under a lot of pressure. Crying in a service station, showing his true emotions, to Everton fans, and also showing his age.


The only thing that Martinez, never said when talking about money not being able to buy you everything, was especially when your fucking skint.

It should be made into a big banner for the Chelsea game if Stones does stay, that quote though.....


Guy Hastings
147 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:03:42
Cundy - there's a man who but for one consonant would be perfectly named.
Ian Cowhig
148 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:06:54
Ian (#122)

This is definitely not a cutting nose of to spite our face, for a number of reasons.

1. The lad is class, and barring injury, will be worth more following this than what is being offered by Chelsea.

2. Look at the Premier League, and across Europe. There are not lots of defenders that we could pick up for less than what we would receive, that would not lessen our team. Martinez's mantra is we need to be stronger at the end of each shut down window. So forget we could use the money to get a defender, number 10 etc. We would need to spend the majority on a like for like defender. Otherwise we are in the Liverpool, Spurs position and replacing class with mediocrity.

3. We need to make a stance, like WBA are with Berahino. The hope of this is for me that clubs will know that they can not deal with Everton in the way Chelsea have. And deal in a proper manner moving forward.

Not sure whether Cundy does things like this on purpose to wind people up. But he said the same about Sterling, with Liverpool calling them hypocrites. Seem to remember that some red nose came on, and asked if QPR had complained about the way business was done, was it done through the media etc. The first time we knew about Stones was when he was announced.

Eugene Ruane
149 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:15:20
No idea what will happen between now and the window closing, I really hope we get to keep him.

But if he is still our player next Wednesday, we'll need a large spoonful of sugar help his 'medicine' go down.

I'd much rather have the player than the money and think our club 'taking a stand' would be good for our standing in the game (and for football generally).

But if the choice is £40m or Kevin The Teenager on our hands..

So obviously, the way forward wouldn't be - "You signed a 5 year deal, you're going fucking nowhere you long streak of piss."

I hope Martinez can sit him down quietly and really get through to him that we honestly understand he's in a very difficult position and that there is incredible pressure from agents, Chelsea and the media.

And we understand that he's being offered fortunes of money and CL, glory etc.

Let him know we understand absolutely how flattering it is and how tempting it must seem.

But..BUT that he should keep in mind a couple of things.

Here, he is a first choice, first-team player in the PL.

There however, he could find that after one iffy performance, he's out of the side and slagged in the press by his unhinged lollipop-headed manager ("kkkif I need drop player, not problem, kkkif I need buy replacement, not problem")

And that he wouldn't be given time there - that when you have limitless cash and can buy trophies, development of players is of no importance, 'Not good enough? Buy another!'

Point to Rodwell and Lecott - big players for us, capped for England while with us, left for the big money, became bit-part players for their new teams (and England)

We should explain to him that a settled 15/16 season of first team football, with him getting regular games, is what will almost certainly guarantee his inclusion in the Euros next summer if he stays injury free

After that, we can look at things again.

He (unlike many footballers) seems to have half a brain and a maturity beyond his years so he might just be able to see something other than the solid gold carrot on a stick, currently being waved in front of his nose by the disgusting, classless twats that are Chelsea F.C

Shane Corcoran
150 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:18:58
Drew #129, in fairness to Chelsea, they made their first bid a few weeks ago.

I suppose you could claim that they made the bid public to unsettle the player but I'm not sure that's that rare.

The media are driving it for sure and I'm glad Everton are standing firm but I'm not sure Chelsea are doing that much wrong.

I mean Kiev could well claim that Everton leaked the bid for Yarmolenko and that they don't want to sell him.

Brian Harrison
151 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:19:49
Well after RMs comments last night that seems to be the end of the matter. There was no thought of selling Stones as RM said at any price.

I have been one of RMs critics and probably am still far from convinced he is the right man to be in charge. But I take my hat off to him for his stand on Stones, I honestly thought it was all bluster at first just to get Chelsea to up their offers.

But after last night my admiration for him as a man has gone through the roof, but if somehow Stones is sold then RM will have no choice but to walk and the board would then be exposed to the anger of the fans. Should this happen then our fans would make Newcastle's fans hatred of Ashley seem like a tea party to what would happen at Goodison for the Chelsea game if Stones was sold.

I hope that RM and the board have said to Stones look if the interest from other clubs is there in January when the window reopens and if our valuation is met then we will let you go.

Mike Keating
152 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:25:43
West Brom have refused to sell Berahino and we aren't about to capitulate over Stones because we don't need the money but we do need to keep our best players. This article shows what a proper journalist makes of the whole thing - think I'll send a copy to that blurt Richardson at the Express on Tuesday.
Ian Hanes
153 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:25:52

Spot on Eugene!
Oliver Molloy
154 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:27:58
I'm also convinced that Terry being benched was a "Come, John, and you will go straight in."

They are trying anything and everything.

Eugene Ruane
155 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:48:29
Shane - 'I mean Kiev could well claim that Everton leaked the bid for Yarmolenko and that they don't want to sell him'

You might be right, but with everything we've seen recently, it makes me curious as to whether the was an actual bid.

I deffo saw plenty online and in the meeja that said we were 'linked with' 'linked to' 'close to a deal' 'a step closer' etc, but did anyone from Everton say 'we have put in X million a bid for Yarmalenko' (and been KB'd)?

Not saying we didn't, but with all the bullshit, spin and weasel words, it's almost impossible to find out what was and wasn't actually said.

Oliver Molloy
156 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:51:42
We don't talk about players from other clubs for many reasons!
Iain Latchford
157 Posted 27/08/2015 at 11:59:45
Ian #137. I agree he is class and in an ideal world I wouldn't want him to go either. Some things are being assumed though, for example that he will get better and will be worth a lot more in 12 months. This is not a given. His progress could slow down, he could get injured, managers may become more aware of his weaknesses and how to exploit them etc. These are also "maybes" but not impossible, and he wouldn't be the first player not to reach the potential expected.

I'd like us to keep him AND invested £40m in the team but that isn't going to happen. This is another matter to be taken up with with BK and the board.

The truth is no one really knows if turning down £40m will be a good or bad thing. Only time will tell.

Shane Corcoran
158 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:01:22
Eugene, I agree. It was just an example.

I find it amusing that some people go mental saying "typical Everton not getting the job done" when there may not have been a job at all.

The game last night was good craic. I recorded it and didn't finish watching it til after midnight. A nice break from the rumour mill. But I'm right back at it this morning what with being at work and all.

Drew Shortis
159 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:02:39
Just seen the clip of Stones leaving the pitch and some moron calling him a "fucking rat". Sad to see. Handing in a transfer request is disappointing for us fans and the timing is not ideal, but that was completely uncalled for. I believe the majority of the travelling supporters gave him a good reception. Just hope this one idiot's words don't stick in his mind.
Dave Abrahams
160 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:02:39
I don't think John Stones should play against Spurs, he should be sent home to his family and told to get away from football for the next week or so. I know we need him and I want him to stay, but the lads health and wellbeing is much, much more important than football at the moment; he has been through a torrid time mentally and should be taken away from all this stress, it's too much for the lad.

Whatever will be, will be> Finally, from me anyway, good luck lad whatever you decide; have a good future. Fuck football when it gets to the abuse he's had to face from his own.

Brin Williams
162 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:09:44
I think that what needs pointing out to young Stones is that at Everton he is viewed as future club Captain, and that in the not too distant future and the fact that he is an absolutely nailed on Captain of his country at some stage in his short but incredibly phenomenal career. All he needs now is to grow a bigger pair of cohones and wipe away the tears.
After all he wouldn't be the first to shed a tear after this fiasco.

Move and all that is at risk, but he would be well paid for sitting on the bench!!

Mark Tanton
163 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:10:31
Who stands there and shouts abuse like that to an individual in ear shot? Disgusting. People don't realise what they've become. Like the twenty something Evertonian lass at the bottom of the Main Stand, face contorted, angrily spitting abuse at Aguero as he went over to take a throwing I saw on camera against Man City.
Drew Shortis
164 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:17:00
Just read more crap from Chelsea fans on the Guardian website accusing us of being hypoctites as we did the same thing to Barnsley. Sorry, but £3m plus a healthy sell on percentage (which they will get one of these days) was good business for a virtually unknown defender who was not yet really an essential part of their team. I don't recall any lengthy tapping up. We made them a fair offer and they accepted. No wrangling, no mind games.

Stones is no longer an unknown 19 year old. He's an England international who starts every week for the Toffee's. We have made our position abundantly clear from the start. We are not a cash strapped League 1 team who needs to sell to balance the books. I fail to see any similarities in these two situations.

The more of these comments I read (the fair and balanced comments are few and far between) the more I hope we keep him, just to stick two fingers up at the media 'experts' and these self entitled Chelski fans.

Peter Gorman
165 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:18:29
Kase, who are the Evertonians 'abusing' Stones? I heard one or two boos last night but heavily out-weighed by applause, every time he touched the ball in the first 15 minutes.

After that, 2-0 down, everybody was so incredulous that they lost interest in him until we went mad for Del, Lukaku and Mirallas.

I think most fans didn't know how to react and neither did he as certainly the first half was the worst I've ever seen him, perhaps it was the stress, the emotion of returning to his home town club or just a bad day. Abused he certainly was not, unlike Mr Mourinho.

Peter Barry
166 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:20:28
I have not often had the pleasure of saying this but I am proud of the stance Roberto is taking over Stones and I , like many others I am sure, will be devastated if he gets the rug pulled out from under him by Billy Liar and the Everton board and we are left at the last minute trying to find a replacement.
Nick Wall
167 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:21:47
#148 Quite agree Dave - give the lad a few days off away from all the heat, and hopefully he can make a triumphant return for us in the Chelsea game! The only thing is, if he doesn't play on Saturday, there'll be thousands of wise guys saying 'that means he's leaving'.
Iain Latchford
168 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:25:27
I'm taking my 7-year-old lad to his first Everton game against Chelsea in a couple of weeks. I'm just praying I don't end up sat next to one of these muppets.

I'm expecting the crowd to be lively to say the least, but there is a limit to what is acceptable. Some people behave in a way at football matches that would not be tolerated pretty much anywhere else.

Peter Gorman
169 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:25:33
Ok, just seen the 'rat' footage on YouTube. Unfortunate as it is, I am sure he heard more than just that at the ground, namely the applause, so I would be amazed if he took it too much to heart.
Peter Barry
170 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:28:20
I lived in Weybridge for a number of years during Marino's first Chelsea stint and used to watch high profile matches on the 'Big Screens' in some of the local pubs.

The condescending and entitled attitude Chelsea supporters had, far more than supporters of any other London club, and the abuse given to anyone who disagreed with them was a sight to behold.

Denis Richardson
171 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:33:51
Well one thing you can say for RM - right or wrong he has his way and is fixed on it.

His statement can also be seen as a veiled threat to BK. Let me build my team or I'm gone. If BK takes the likely 40m that Chelsea will offer this week, I can see RM saying stuff it I'm off.

Steve Harris
172 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:42:49
I've been one of Martinez's biggest critics, mostly because of the shite football we've served up, but fair play to him for conducting himself with class and dignity in his interview last night.

I really think he has been hung out to dry by the board by their continued silence, especially as they knew that Martinez was going to be bombarded with questions last night.

It would of been nice to have had an official statement from the club so that Roberto didn't have to face the flak on his own. Credit where credit's due.

Richard Reeves
173 Posted 27/08/2015 at 12:52:27
Who was the rat in the stands calling Stones a rat? Some so called fans have got very few working brain cells. The lad is obviously sensitive and we all want him to stay so some genius thinks now is a good time to give him abuse. Someone should of filmed the rat in the stands and put it on YouTube.
Matt Traynor
174 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:00:41
Brin #149, the same Captain of club-and-country shite was given to Rooney 11 years ago, although I accept the circumstances are different.

We offered to make him our highest ever paid player (㿞k a week). He signed on for Man U for near double that, and is now on anything between 𧶲k and 𧷤k a week - basic - before commercial income.

I won’t draw a parallel with our commercial income as it’s not funny.

In many ways it will be interesting to see what Stones decides. If his father is in fact his agent, it may be best all round to sever the business tie and retain the familial tie or risk losing the lot down the line (and that has happened in multiple sports). If Stones decides to stick it out and develop further under Everton and Martinez’s tutelage, then it’ll be remarkable as he’s neither local nor a supporter.

Phil Walling
175 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:01:05
Like most of us, I guess, I'm well pissed off with the entire saga. Whether the player goes or stays interests me no longer. The proof of the wisdom of keeping him will be determined by how many games we manage to avoid losing whilst he's in the team.

Stones is being lauded as the best English centre half since forever so wherever he plays, he now has to prove it. Guess, just guess, he'd find it easier to do that at Chelsea but, in my book, he'll have to step up his game a great deal to justify all this hokum we are suffering on his account.

Ian Cowhig
176 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:08:52
Is there a link anywhere to the post match press conference? I can find the one that was with SSN straight after the game. But not the one where Martinez says that the transfer request will be rejected in the morning.
Brin Williams
177 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:21:42
PG 152 'who are the Evertonians 'abusing' Stones?'

If you were on the TW forum last evening there were several who were calling him all sorts of names and those were regular contributors to TW.

Perhaps there is a recording of the forum available for all to see those involved.

Jackie Barry
178 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:28:41
I'm sorry, Brin, but if that's the way some fans feel after he hands in a request so late in the game that's their right. In the end they are thinking about the club and how it will affect what happens on the pitch. Get over it.
John O'Brien
179 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:36:50
Just a quick point regarding some confusion on here in relation to John Stones's agent. Re: #91

Somehow many people seem to think that his Dad is also his agent. This isn't true, his agent is Paul Martin who is agent to a lot of Everton players past and present including Cahill, Arteta, Barkley and one or two of the younger ones including Dowell and Connolly.

He is one of the most respected agents in the game and has a very good relationship with the club due to the number of Everton employees that he represents.

I know all this as I am a relative of one of the younger professionals that Paul Martin represents.

Andy Codling
180 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:38:51
Gobshites screaming "rat" at John Stones, get a fucking grip, tossers.
Gary Russell
181 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:49:31
John O'Brien... you are not an ex goalie for Burscough and an ex milkman are ya?
Luke Madden
182 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:50:24
"I don't care too much for money, money can't buy you Stones;
Can't buy you Stooooones"
John Daley
183 Posted 27/08/2015 at 13:52:04
Love the way the press choose to focus on a video of some froth-mouthed fuckwit in the ground, rather than the live tv broadcast of the overwhelmingly positive reception he was given by the majority of fans.
Raymond Fox
184 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:05:48
Not often I agree with you Phil, but I too think that Stones is well overrated at the moment.
Obviously Chelsea rate him very highly so we could be proved wrong, but if we could get £45m I'd be inclined to take it.

Ok, selling does send out the wrong messages to us fans and the players I know, but he will probably leave at the next window anyway!

Brian Williams
185 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:21:10
Then let him go in the NEXT window when it suits us and we have time to reinvest the money.
We HAVE to keep him now if only to prevent the gaffer being totally undermined....not that I believe thats the only reason.
David Barks
186 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:23:35
I find it hilarious how the media takes the stance that Everton should obviously allow Stones to go to Chelsea. At this point I'm honestly surprised they're not calling for Everton to actually pay Chelsea.

Yet you can see the very next story and its slamming De Gea for having the audacity to want to move to Real Madrid. How dare he! What's wrong with the modern footballer??!! He is being completely unprofessional for wanting to move to a new club.

It's just too damn funny. And De Gea only has one year on his contract I believe. Stones has 4 years to go! When it was being said that Yaya Toure was wanting to move from City they blasted him. When Suarez wanted to move from LFC they blasted him. But if Everton have the audacity to say one of our players is under contract and will not be sold? How dare Everton block a players move!!!!!

Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:26:09
The media control almost everything John, but it's not quite going the way they expect it to at the minute, is it.

Classless bastards us Evertonians, calling Stones a rat. if they showed the much bigger picture though, it wouldn't fit in, with, the way they've been pushing this story for the past few weeks.

Peter McHugh
188 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:35:48
I haven't called Stones any names as rather childish BUT GEEEEZ!!!! I think some people on here are as sensitive as Stones. The guy hands in a transfer request one week before the window shuts and it's not surprising he gets called 'rat' or told to 'fuck off'. So what? He's not 5 years old is he.

Sure it's not nice but every kid gets a lot worse stick in high school never mind a 21-year-old grown man earning 㿊k a week. Get over it.

And some people think that behaviour may tip the balance on whether he stays or not. If you believe that then you're thick as fuck. Sorry if I've offended anybody but grow up.

James Stewart
189 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:41:34
The club's stance is admirable but its also a double edged sword. To some prospective young talented players we are currently a stepping stone to a Champion League club. Like or it not, that is just the way it is.

In the not too distant future a big club could come in for Lukaku, Barkley or whoever else. We don't want to be seen as a club who denies players big moves, that would make players think twice about joining. At the same time we do not want to bend over and be cherrypicked from every year.

Name a price and if Chelsea want to pay it then thats that. If they don't he stays simple as. Same as Liverpool did with Suarez and Sterling.

Paul Ellam
190 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:41:38
Money can't buy everything.
But it can buy Andriy Yarmolenko!
Loving that we may keep Stones but we also need to strengthen elsewhere.
Get buying Roberto!
Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:42:42
Martinez went from zero to hero, in the space of 120 minutes last night. If the board now undermine him and still sell Stones, I wonder, would he be aware of how much power, he would be given off Evertonians if he was prepared to walk away?

Let's face it, this saga, has gone on for way too long, and it's also forced most people to take their eye off the fact that our team still needs strengthening.

I've read a couple of articles,going on about us needing a new ground. Again is this for people to think that we must be saving our money to carry out this plan?

Bill Kenwright might or might not be sick (I wish him well if he his), but most Evertonians, are SICK WITH WORRY, every transfer window. The deafening silence, definitely fuels speculation, but it's all gone very quiet on the transfer front, YET AGAIN.

Chris Funk
192 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:44:44
RM should tell John and his agent: "Don't worry John. After 2-3 more years developing at Everton, we'll sell you direct to Barca for £100m. Don't settle for the cast-offs at Chelsea; we'll make sure you join best footballers in the world at Barca."

In all seriousness, I could easily see a much more mature -- and defensively savvy -- Stones as a long-term replacement for Piqué. And, were I RM, I'd tell him so, and tell him I'm just the man to help him get there: The Catalan Connection.

Thomas Surgenor
193 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:49:37
Had to put a dampener on this but the board must be rubbing their hands with glee.

All this talk of Stones staying is distracting fans from the clubs net spend. Maybe I'm just sceptical?

Come the close of the window, we will be told the board have shown great ambition in keeping JS. The lack of spending won't be mentioned.

I know beggars can't be choosers but I would still like one 㾶million+ rated player in AND to keep JS.

Iain Latchford
194 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:54:59
Saying he is not for sale is rubbish. He is for sale, and so is pretty much every footballer on the the right price. So what's the price everyone feels would be acceptable? There must be one...there simply has to be. Is £40m really a bad price.....really ??

The question no one seems to be able to answer is how much of £40m would be reinvested in the team? IF he's sold the board must say ALL the money goes to RM.

Don't worry too much about Stones crying himself to sleep at night. He either ends up with £60k per week or £100k per week, so I doubt he's about to go off with stress because some scrote called him a rat.

Daniel Lawrence
195 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:56:48
At the end of the day, or pertinently next Tuesday, this will likely end. Up being the perfect scenario for our woeful board. All the focus has been on retaining a player we already have whilst we've spent ٣ million out of the near 𧿘 million or whatever the figure now is, lavished by all 19 other teams in our division.

Meanwhile our fabled three signings, if we can mange them; look like a couple of bargain basement South Americans and an ex-Swansea midfielder on loan.

Clap clap clap.....

Trevor Lynes
197 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:07:13
My concern is still the lack of us making a decent signing. Teams like Norwich are bidding 㾶 million for a player whilst we are scuttling around ٣ million and less types.

We are one of the wealthiest clubs in the world (top 30) and yet we are performing like a non league club in the bidding stakes. If Stones is not transferred does that mean we do not get a top Number 10 ?

With our current squad half of which are unfit we will struggle to keep in the top half never mind challenging for Europe. That is the question I want answering.

Mori may not get a work permit.Where is the Number 10 midfield maestro? Where is the full back and centre back cover ?

Keeping Stones may yet backfire on us if we do not keep our promises regarding reinforcements. We need to dump the likes of McGeady and Gibson who are not worth paying. We need to replace Hibbert, Pienaar and perhaps Osman who have all been fine clubmen but either through injury or age need replacing. Howard and Barry are each nearing the end.

A lot of our youngsters are not up to Premier League standard. Holgate IMO has shown ability and confidence and is probably the best of the youngsters we have. This lad will make the grade and be worth money down the line. Garbutt is the best of the bunch with Galloway the only other one who might come good (but not yet).

This board need to supply Roberto with a proper transfer budget and use it much earlier than we do at present. This brinkmanship and last minute panic buying is ridiculous.

Brian Wilkinson
198 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:34:27
After the banners at the game last night, even Kenwright is not daft enough to sell Stones against Bobby's wishes.
Phil Rodgers
199 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:38:34

Just gotta laugh sometimes..

Paz Mistry
200 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:40:49
If Chelsea offers £45mil for Stones, take the money and run. Amazing profit for an inexperienced defender, the money is worth more than Stones as we can do so much with it. I wish we had sold Baines when we had the chance for big money to United, not pulled up many trees since that transfer saga.
Erik Dols
201 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:51:15
Paz Mistry (and others) no it's not worth more than Stones. We cannot do so much with it. A big part will go to Barnsley and to agents.

Apart from that, we will get a hugely inflated asking price on every player we try to get, as the world knows we just fetched 㿙 mil for our player. Just look at how the other lot fared when they sold Suarez. Or Tottenham when they sold Bale.

You cannot get the same quality in and you pay far over the odds for the transfers you do make happen. I said it before and I'll say it again: Everton has nothing to gain by selling Stones now.

Iain Latchford
202 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:03:02
Erik, I'm sorry but Suarez and Bale were world class players who were the pretty much carrying their teams by themselves. To a degree they were irreplaceable. The managers also spent the money they received for them very badly. That doesn't mean we have to.

Stones is potential and maybe... maybe... saves us a few goals. Suarez and Bale were scoring 20-30 goals a season, and setting up many more. I do not believe it's a fair comparison. We finished 5th with Jags and Distin. Didn't see any 㿔m bids coming in for them. The money (spent correctly) could be of huge benefit to the club.

Thomas Surgenor
203 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:06:25
Paz #190 - Just where are those 7 superstars Spurs bought with the Bale money at now then?
Did any of them improve Spurs (Eriken aside)? I believe Bale would still start every week for Spurs yet his 7 replacements can't.

Even look at the Dark Side: Suarez or the players they bought from his sale? I'd suggest they might take Suarez.

Chris Wilson
204 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:08:58
Just read that Phil Rogers (189). It is a stupid article, that says really nothing. I wish I knew how to contact him, but it looks like it's only twitter. The author of the USA Today article, Luke Kerr-Dineen, retweeted something from a guy name Peter Knight (who is also a fellow author and does..other stuff) who says,

"Trolls are out ranting at my friend & sports journo @LukeKerrDineen for suggesting Stones would be better off at Chelsea - the truth hurts"

Well, maybe Luke should have written an smarter article, Peter Knight. Where do I go to meet these people so I can smack some sense into them.

Only a Chelsea fan declares that EVERTON have been childish. And would these journalists quit talking about John Terry like he's Bobby Moore for God's sake? The only thing John Stones would learn from John Terry is to not leave his girlfriend alone with John Terry.

Phil Rodgers
205 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:24:06
One fan calls Stones a fucking rat and its a national news story.

Just because we are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get us.

Chris Wilson
206 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:32:13
The one positive to maybe take from Roberto's comments is that today most of the media are not firing back with fourth bid stuff. It's mostly articles like "Everton will fend off Chelsea advances", "Everton will protect Stones", and of course the pro-Big 4 media declaring "Everton are going to ruin John Stones career". They seem to be reeling a little bit. But they'll come back. And it will be really nasty stuff too. Everyone be ready.
Jay Harris
207 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:35:08
Totally agree Erik, it is worth £40M for the message it sends out to the players, the supporters and other clubs.
Ellen West
208 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:44:28
Grrrr, I'm now wound up enough by the rat story to make a comment on here. When national media start making a news item out of a fan's comment, this really has become a media circus.

For those of you who are close to JS and his family you will already know that John doesn't want to leave Everton and is happy here. Unfortunately, John's worse decision was to work with SMS Ltd (and you'll notice that most English players will not go near this organisation).

I won't say anything slanderous about them, but you lot are clever enough to know how this story goes and how when it comes to money, fees and bonuses, people will dip their toes into the lowest realms of hell to make a quick buck, no matter how their merchandise is affected. I hope JS can keep his head when all around him....etc,etc.

Andrew Laird
209 Posted 27/08/2015 at 16:51:18
Phil Rodgers @196 There is no such thing as paranoia, it's all true!

I just typed "tapping up in football" into Google and the first article that comes up is, surprise, surprise:

Keith Monaghan
210 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:12:45
Iain @ 193; it'd be interesting to hear you tell us how our manager should spend £45M wisely?
Hope you don't come back with potential MU cast-offs like Evans & Jones - look at what Rio cost 10 yrs ago and David Luiz a year ago?
Phil Walling
211 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:13:58
Eric @192: When all of us are aware that the club's continued existence has depended in recent times on ultra expensive borrowing in the BVI, it is nonsense to suggest that the proceeds of a 㿔M transfer would be of little use in the present climate.

For all I know, such an amount may pass through your bank account every day but to us mere mortals (including BK), it would be an unbelievable sum to receive for a player still serving his Premier League apprenticeship.

However, if the deal is spurned, it does indicate that Everton are no longer in dire straits financially and that we should hear a lot less about the relative pauper status of our chairman and board. No more houses will need to be mortgaged and we might now be able to pay on time for all the whitewash at Finch Farm.

The Rooney deal saved the club from the banks and the same is said of more recent multi million sales. It's good to know we now live in different times.

Frank Crewe
212 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:23:57
Everton are in a league consisting of 20 clubs. Of those only 4 will almost certainly win all the domestic competitions in this country. We all know who those 4 clubs are. They throw a giant shadow over the other 16 clubs that stops them from having any chance to grow and flourish.

Every PL club outside of the rich 4 should be applauding RM and Everton for the stand they are taking regarding Stones. If the clubs outside the rich 4 want to break the stranglehold they have on the top 4 league places and cup competitions then they have to stop taking the cash no matter how tempting the offer is. Enforce contracts and hold on to their best players.

If they are not prepared to do this then they can forget about winning anything ever again and they'll only get into Europe as gallant LOSERS to one of the rich 4 in cup finals and through the fair play league. Football will just become a procession as the rich 4 win everything every season and the rest are just the also rans.

Phil Rodgers
213 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:24:48
I mean one twat shouting abuse at a fan or a group of fans racially abusing a person in his own country?

One is a news story, one is something that happens every week accross the globe.

Andrew Clare
214 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:43:27
I wonder if Chelski will bid £45 million on the final day of the window.
I hope he stays and I hope we sign the Ukrainian guy plus others.
If we do then I think we are in for an exciting season.
Iain Latchford
215 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:45:29
Keith, I'm not a premier league manager with a scouting network...but...I'd be looking to buy a central defender, an attacking midfielder and another striker. Say Shawcross, Yarmolenko and Austin.

Even if (and that's a big if) we shipped an extra 5 goals, I'd expect Yarmolenko and Austin to get 25 goals between them if they played every week. By my calculations that would make us 20 goals a season better off, and several places higher up the league.

Stones has played every game so far and we've shipped 7 goals including 2 at home to Watford and 3 to the mighty Barnsley. We're hardly watertight are we?

Jay Harris
216 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:49:54
You can email Luke the Chelsea tithead at

I did, asking him when is a contract not a contract and pointing out that Everton were not Perennial relegation strugglers in 2004 and "If you know your history", which he clearly doesn't, Chelsea had won next to fuck all before the Russian Roubles came along.

I am still waiting for a reply.

Jay Harris
217 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:51:55
BTW here is the link to the article.

Ken Buckley
219 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:53:59
John O'Brien (#171),

Would it be possible for your contact with his agent to find out who actually writes or requests the official transfer request for John to hand in. Is it all John's work or his agent's hand? Or, heaven forbid, a suggestion from the club requiring his services.

It would be really interesting to know how these things work. It may even stop total idiots from heaping all the blame on John.

Chris Wilson
220 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:57:31
Isn't Ryan Shawcross injured? For a lengthy period?
Phil Walling
221 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:58:57
Frank, I agree with your principles but do you really think Everton will win anything just by holding on to Stones?

It's not as though he is a 30-goals-a-season goalscoring sensation is it? He's a rather promising centre-half, that's all! The real truth is that the manager has dropped the club right in the shit by failing to do anything about replacing the two defenders he got rid of in May.

He was happy to start the season with a below strength squad and then had the temerity to say the window should have been slammed shut. You may be a happy bunny but I bet BK ain't too chuffed with him at the moment!

Daniel Lawrence
222 Posted 27/08/2015 at 17:59:06
The point is that we couldn't let him go as we've been incapable of buying a centre back to replace one of the two we let go in May! With proper and adequate funding we can plan ahead if we need to cash in once in a while on a player.

The simple fact is that this joke of a board do not supply the manager with the tools that the other 19 appear to do so.

So we won't sell; the masses and the media will praise Kenwright and Co for the way we are run when the simple fact is we haven't sold because we'd only have one first team centre-back in a Premier League squad. Farce.

Chris Leyland
223 Posted 27/08/2015 at 18:04:47
Ellen West - interesting comments. Do you know John and his family?
Steve Cotton
224 Posted 27/08/2015 at 18:23:25
How naive are you all?

The reason he hasn't been sold is that we won't be able to put two centre halves out if he leaves. RM hasn't got anyone lined up to replace him because he won't be given access to any funds.

And where are the two South American lads? It's almost a week since they flew over.

Paul Ellam
225 Posted 27/08/2015 at 18:36:01
The reason we should continue to rebuff the attentions of Chelsea is clear to me - to show our other young talented players (Barkley, Lukaku, McCarthy, Garbutt etc) that we are committed to building a team/squad to compete with the top 4 and win trophies and that their careers and international ambitions will be safe by sticking with us.

If they see their colleagues continually move on year after year it basically sends out the message that all we are is a stepping stone to bigger things.

Let's show some "big club" mentality for a change and not admit defeat to the so-called Sky4.

Frank Crewe
226 Posted 27/08/2015 at 18:47:38

No I don't but we have to start somewhere. You're right he's not a 30 goal a season scoring sensation but Lukaku might be. So if he has a great season do we sell him to the highest bidder? What about Delboy? Looked good last night. If he reaches his potential is he the next out the door?

As I stated there is no chance for us or anyone else to improve if we simply keep letting our best young players leave. Especially when we know perfectly well they'll just come back to haunt us. Weakening ourselves while letting clubs that are already stronger than us get even stronger is not a good idea in the long run.

Andy Walker
227 Posted 27/08/2015 at 19:47:48
Martinez sounded good today and actually spoke well. Let's hope his words don't turn out to be hollow promises. I certainly wouldn't bet on Stones not leaving as Martinez has a habit of contradicting himself, time will tell, but we are now at the point it would be suicide to sell, even at £50m.
Charles Brewer
228 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:04:08
Jay, I have just read that garbage in USA Today, a rag that makes the Sun look like a combination of The Economist and the Sunday Times of the 1970s.

The curious thing is, that all American sports are basically rubbish copies of ours - apart from basketball where the sole talent is being freakishly tall and where a big event is someone not scoring - but that the Yanks have recognised that if the same teams always win, then interest will flag, and the sport (and associated revenue) will die.

American football ought to be dominated by a few teams from New York, Los Angeles and, perhaps, Chicago or Houston. But the draft system, the limits on pay and transfers and so on mean that there is a succession of winning teams, often based around a talented quarterback, but sometimes a good defence. When I first used to travel to the country, the Pittsburg Steelers were hugely successful, but since then we have seen teams from Dallas, New England, Denver, San Francisco, New York, Oakland and on and on win Superbowls.

There is a very conscious desire to keep the sport competitive, which the miserable Premier League most certainly is not. The teams which get into the dreadful Champions League get so much more than the rest that, apart from the very odd case (Everton being one, once), the same lot dominate the domestic game and monopolize the cash which comes both from TV and European play.

Ultimately, this is a recipe for the death of the game – it's like putting me up against Usain Bolt, charging for admission and having a weekly race. People would come to see Bolt for a while, just for the sake of seeing this very fast runner, but after a while (not very long) they'd get fed up with the same result every time, and not even a semblance of competition.

Jim Hardin
229 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:10:57
Perhaps Everton have started something. West Brom have told Spurs to pound salt and even offered up the terms of the proposed bid for their striker. Is this an attempt by them to hold on to an important player or to shame spurs into a better payment and terms I wonder? However, they too have been "resolute" since the beginning that they would not sell their best player except at their own terms. Two against the world at this point and I hope both clubs keep their young talent at least for this season.

If Stones stays does he count as the Centerback we were promised and does his value count in RM's transfer kitty? My only cooncern is this stance is being used by Everton to make a last minute deal to sell the player and keep him on a one year loan.

Bobby Thomas
230 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:29:10
There appears to be a Roberto Martinez wankfest on this thread, especially early on.

I just thought I'd point out we've conceded 7 goals in 4 games, and City could have had a bagful.

Brent Stephens
231 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:38:14
SSN latest just now "Arsene Wenger isn't about to buy anybody"! How much can a barrel be scraped?
Colin Glassar
232 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:39:56
Thanks for the info, Bobby.
Bobby Thomas
233 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:45:44
We look a bit of a shambles, Colin.
Chris Wilson
234 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:54:08
I don't think our sports over here are rubbish copies, Charles (219). But, yes, you are right in that MOST of the professional sports league embrace the idea of parity as it does keep the fans interested.

I would say conservatively 22 of the 32 teams in the NFL believe they can win the Super Bowl. And there are mechanisms in place to help teams that don't do as well to regain competitive status in the ways you've mentioned. Teams generally don't do transfer though; usually player for player trades.

But the biggest difference in most American sports is the salary cap. Sure you can sign the best players, but you can't exceed the league salary limits. If you want a specific player and he wants a specific salary, then you may have to renegotiate some existing contracts to make room, or you have to trade players away to accommodate the new player's salary. Conversely you also have to spend a minimum amount to avoid pocketing the television money. This does help to keep a more level playing field, but despite all of this, there are still perennial powers in the league like New England, Denver, Dallas, not Los Angeles because there is no LA team...yet.

However, Major League baseball operates very much like the EPL. Generally teams with the most money DO get the best players available. And this is why you usually see strong teams in New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

Although it is very interesting, because the last couple of years teams like the NY Yankees and the Boston Red Sox haven't been as dominant as they have been in the past. The teams doing very well the last couple of seasons are Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and Houston (with all the love of baseball in Texas, the Houston Astros have been a constant doormat). These smaller market teams have rebuilt themselves by drafting young talent and keeping them together, as well as having a strong farm system or reserve team. These teams play in lower league competitions, develop their players, and then promote them to "The Show" when they're ready. If these teams lose a player to free-agency or a trade; they just wheel in the next guy.

Frank Crewe
235 Posted 27/08/2015 at 20:54:46
Bobby we've also scored 10. As long as we score more than we concede I'll be happy.
Bobby Thomas
236 Posted 27/08/2015 at 21:00:07
If we carry on defending as we are, it will be a long a troubled season.

If you concede knocking on 2 goals a game deep shit beckons. This is how we started last season.

You wont be happy for long if the defending carries on like this Frank. Football just doesn't work like that.

Andy Meighan
237 Posted 27/08/2015 at 21:05:55
Anthony (#54) pretty much nailed it for me in everything he said. Stones had a poor game last night and whether this circus surrounding him hindered him only he'll know that.

One thing is certain: the lad hasn't had a good start to the season, the Southampton game apart. I personally think Chelsea will come back with a silly bid and Everton will be left with no choice but to grant him his wish.

I will say this, though, if he does stay, those saying they can't wait until the Chelsea game, the atmosphere will be electric. Last season, they slaughtered us; it looks like we're going to more or less field the same side so why would anyone think we'd be more confident? It baffles me.

Say what you want about Mourinho, and I can't stomach the clown, but he knows how to set a team up... unlike a certain Everton manager.

John O'Brien
238 Posted 27/08/2015 at 21:19:07
#210 Ken Buckley,

I'm not privy to how this works from a practical point of view but I would have thought that the agent would have drafted a letter formally requesting a transfer and JS would have signed it.

I know this is fairly obvious but they would have preferred to avoid going down this formal route as these players have clauses in their contracts whereby they get a loyalty bonus if the club agrees to sell a player whereas, if the player requests a transfer, they would then lose that bonus if they are sold.

I think a similar scenario played out with Rooney.

Ken Buckley
239 Posted 27/08/2015 at 21:59:52
Thanks, John.
Tony Draper
240 Posted 27/08/2015 at 22:07:09
Ellen @200.

John Stones is no longer represented by SMS. That agreement changed around the time of his new contract with Everton, it was this change which delayed his new contract with Everton being signed.

Sadly, I have quoted you and this fact on other threads on TW before I thoroughly checked this matter.

Chris Gould
241 Posted 27/08/2015 at 22:25:41
John (#228), that isn't so much a scenario these days when dealing with rich clubs like Chelsea. They will tell a player to hand in a transfer request and pay them whatever loyalty payment they lose in their contract.

He wouldn't have wanted to hand in a transfer request in this situation because of how he feels about the club. I would imagine that he may well have been told by the club that it would be rejected, but that his advisors told him to do it anyway as they have obviously become desperate.

He was probably aware that he was making a mistake, but has been very badly advised.

Armando Canaj
242 Posted 27/08/2015 at 22:33:20
Daniel (#213) / Steve (#215) et al. You are resolute, so determined, so bigoted I'm your negative views of any authority at EFC that you will always find a negative side to any event, even one as admirable as this one.

The Board and Manager at OUR club are doing exactly what they've said for some time, we will not sell Stones. We are building something here. Why do you have to still find a negative?

How many multimillion or million pound deals have you guys ever managed? Ones that would seriously impact the stability of your organisation if managed badly or rushed? Do you really think these deals are easy? What the hell do you know about managing huge business that you can publicly ask for the boards sacking?

Tony Abrahams
243 Posted 27/08/2015 at 22:49:07
Phil, you might be right about Kenwright being a miserable old soul right now, but you might, also be wrong.

If it's true that a defensive judge, like Mouriniho, was prepared to pay 㿒 Million for a novice. Isn't it quite feasible that Stones could be worth more, in the not to distant future?

Billy Fisher
244 Posted 27/08/2015 at 23:05:27
Mark Riding, spot on lad. Post 6 Roberto Martinez has got fuckin class that requires patience and maturity to appreciate.

A true Evertonian, not even born anywhere near here. It's a belief and an attitutude – not a place of birth.

Colin Glassar
245 Posted 28/08/2015 at 08:01:38
"Devastated", "Terrified", just two of the headline screamers in today's tabloids when referring to John Stones.

What next? Young player kidnapped by club? Chelsea target found drugged and bound on Everton team bus? Blue starlet sexually abused by team mates? Player admits to being abducted by aliens after Barnsley game?

Just how far and how low are the media prepared to go on this one? Court injunction anyone?

Phil Sammon
246 Posted 28/08/2015 at 08:20:56
That gave me a chuckle, Colin...the rags look set to plumb new depths here.
Craig Fletcher
247 Posted 28/08/2015 at 08:21:58
Just seen this newspaper headlines, Colin.

Thank goodness being on the other side of the world insulates me from the English tabloid crap. How on earth the people who write the shite they write in those 'newspapers' look themselves in the mirror in the morning is beyond my comprehension.

Trevor Peers
248 Posted 28/08/2015 at 08:29:05
Mark (#6), Roberto is and always will be judged on results by the majority of our supporters, his win rate is the bench mark by which he will be rated as a manager. Not his personal charm.

Having made the right call about Stones was to his credit; now he has to get the best out of the lad and the team, otherwise the whole saga will of been a complete waste of time.

Andrew Ellams
249 Posted 28/08/2015 at 08:32:19
Anybody else fear the repercussions from that piece of nastiness that is Diego Costa in the upcomimg game? Although you look him in the eye and he does generally shit himself.
Sam Bull
250 Posted 28/08/2015 at 11:26:38
So, are we saying that if Chavski come in with a £60million or £80 mill bid on deadline day, we are going to turn it down?

I doubt that it will happen, but if it did, I think we would sell for £80mil, so... money can buy anything.

Ron Sear
251 Posted 28/08/2015 at 13:51:46
Just one small point that everybody seems to be missing, by keeping Stones even if we chose not to play him we are doing significant damage to Chelsea given their defensive issues. Evey supporter of all the other premiership clubs should be cheering us on.
Tony Hill
252 Posted 28/08/2015 at 22:27:34
I would have had Martinez sacked after the WBA debacle in January but his performance on Wednesday and throughout this summer has been exemplary. There was steel in him at the Barnsley game and the inner bastard - which I have always suspected was lurking - came into public view.

A major sea-change in my opinion and what is equally significant is that he forced Kenwright to back him over Stones. That took real force of will and long may it continue.

Priya Bowley
253 Posted 29/08/2015 at 04:38:49
Great news! I'm really glad he's not going.
Colin Glassar
255 Posted 30/08/2015 at 07:58:16
Great bit of reporting in the rags. On Thursday, I think, it was reported that we'd turned down a £20m offer from PSG for our Seamus. Today, the daily star is saying Bayern Munich are to offer us £18m for our mustard - £2m less than the PSG offer!!! Fucking brilliant.

The same rag also claims that our resolve might crack over Stonesy if the chavs offer us £40m plus either John Obi Kenobe of Loic (another fucker who followed the money) Remy, or any other cast off we might be interested in.

I say we should buy a journo (easy as they come cheap) and start a rumour saying we will accept £60m for JS plus Courtois and £50m for Seamus plus Lewandowski or Ibrahimovic.

James Marshall
256 Posted 30/08/2015 at 08:27:49
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned on here, but this did make me laugh heartily:

I expect it has it's own thread somewhere, but good on ya lads for those at the game yesterday - I hope to hear Goodison singing this in unison on Sept 12th!

Phil Bellis
257 Posted 30/08/2015 at 13:30:35
Have you seen this "story", paraphrasing one by a John Richardson in the same rag?

How can they be alllowed to state these lies as facts? Should the club not make a formal complaint to the Press Commission or whatever it's called? About time we hit back


Steve Brown
258 Posted 30/08/2015 at 13:53:50
Colin @244 & Phil @246, not worth giving headspace to or getting vexed by the journos in the national papers. With the exception of a few ... Patrick Barclay, Oliver Holt.. what they know about football could be written on a postage stamp and morally they are lower than a snakes' belly.
Colin Glassar
259 Posted 30/08/2015 at 14:12:47
I'm well passed getting angry Steve. I just like to point out the obvious drivel that these hacks print. They obviously have no editor to supervise and corroborate the trash that they print nor do they bother to check their stories.

You'd think after the phone hacking scandals that there would be 'checks and balances' in place but when it comes to football it still appears to be the Wild West as far as they are concerned.

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