Martinez faces the sack at Everton if he can't make transfer system work

25/08/2015  26 Comments  [Jump to last]
In a somewhat disjointed piece, Paul Joyce pulls no punches in asserting that "Everton's biggest problem over the past year has arguably been the manager," where he seems to suggest that Martinez's insistence on not selling the Blues' crown jewels has become a problem.

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Terence Leong
1 Posted 25/08/2015 at 06:45:59
I think many on TW might agree on sacking the manager, not so much for being stubborn by not selling. Rather, the unhappiness of many with Martinez is on his stubbornness in having flexible tactics.

In fact, most people would support Martinez for sticking it to Chelsea/Man Utd or whoever else, and holding to our best players.

David Chait
2 Posted 25/08/2015 at 06:51:51
So now RM will be sacked if he doesn't sell Stones... or am I reading that this is another media attempt to push it through?

In fact, I 100% agree with the approach: keep your talent, save and buy the best you can. I call it the mini galactico method. It builds over time a real high quality outfit which we are closer to than ever before.

Kieran Fitzgerald
3 Posted 25/08/2015 at 06:58:38
I can see his point in that selling players to raise funds has been one of our main financial revenue streams. However he has placed the point in the wrong context. It has nothing to do with sacking the manager, more to do with how badly run the club is. Selling players as your main revenue stream and having a commercial department that is an absolute joke should have been the context.
Mark Tanton
4 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:33:34
Exactly Kieran, I agree with that. Martinez is trying to build, he's a football manager and he wants success - what football manager is content to chug along?

As well as the opposition of nineteen other clubs in the Premier League he's up against an inept board, whose behavior this summer is beyond parody.

I didn't have much sympathy last season for him, but I do now. Perhaps he didn't fully realise what a basket case he was joining.

Stephen Brown
5 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:40:45
Nonsensical suggestion! Sacked for keeping your best players! Despite Sunday's result, I'm beginning to believe that RM has some sort of strategy in place to build a side over time.

The transfer window is sadly becoming an embarrassment though. It's becoming very difficult to keep the faith!

Ged Simpson
6 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:49:50
The Express is becoming very silly.
Jim Bennings
7 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:50:02
The reality is simple.

If Martinez can't turn water into wine, like our last manager Moyes did, by signing lots of gem like players for next to nothing, then he's not Billy Bullshit's cup of tea!

I said loads of times, Kenwright must have loved Moyes as he always saved his skin by continuously bringing in players like Cahill, Arteta, Lescott etc on a relatively low budget.

Martinez has so far not shown that canny ability and if anything it will be this that gets him the boot if results go on a downward spiral.

Joe Foster
8 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:55:34
This is more about us not selling Stones rather than results or how we play. Smells of media desperation.
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:07:22
Sometimes I feel sorry for Martinez because it's not his fault he hasn't been able to buy better players.

He talks of golden generations and this team attempting to break into the top four, but in reality it's just not going to happen. He talks of consistency but you can only get consistency if your players concentrate for the entirety of a football match and our boys just don't do that.

Yes we played the best team in the league on Sunday but the goals we conceded were exactly the problem that I talk about... Concentration!

Martinez talks a lot about fine margins and that we shouldn't point the finger at Tim Howard on Sunday but it's on the fine margins that your keeper and defenders need to be truly immaculate and Howard is poor on fine margins. Sure, he makes some routine blocks which you'd expect from a Premier League goalkeeper but he slips up too often on "crucial moments"... and likewise our defence.

For this reason, it's so frustrating that Martinez can't be allowed to improve this side to actually fulfil his ambitions of a top four place.

Golden generations are defined by success and for success you need to be totally perfect on nearly everything you do.

Colin Glassar
10 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:09:32
If you can't unsettle the player then go for his boss!! All part and parcel of an ongoing campaign to cause division within the club. A few days ago there was another piece saying why Martinez was the problem at Everton and there will be more.

As the possibility of Stones leaving recedes further and further, someone will have to pay for disappointing their (Chelsea) paymasters; it looks like it could be Bobby...

Alan McGuffog
11 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:27:19
As our "board" seems to be conspicuous by its absence, who exactly is there to do this sacking?
Nicky Styles
12 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:30:58
Firstly, I don't think there is any justification for sacking RM; he has performed as well as can be expected. His first season was a success, last season a more difficult venture fighting on several fronts.

The problem is not the manager but the lack of money. David Moyes's comments of bringing a knife to a gunfight are proving – having seen the gulf in class between us and Citeh on Sunday – depressingly poignant.

John Keating
13 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:38:42
The papers are getting ridiculous.

The only thing Martinez is doing right is trying to keep our better young players. His tactics and methods are shite and that is a sacking offence but certainly not NOT selling the youngsters.

Mike Allison
14 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:54:20
Keeping our best young players is about the only thing we all agree he's doing right. If we have to sell to buy, that's not Martinez's fault.

Our plan is a good one, keep everyone and add little bits of quality here and there. Unfortunately the last bit seems to be tough.

I'd much rather that than the '12 in, 11 out' policies of some other clubs.

Jim Bennings
15 Posted 25/08/2015 at 09:08:33
I think we all agree that this summer the board has been a monumental letdown; whether this gives Martinez a little more space to breathe in terms of criticism, who knows... but certainly the board have bolloxed us this summer.

We can't add the necessary quality that's needed to take the club onwards; Cleverley and Deulofeu will not be enough to substantially improve what's here already.

The signing of a Yarmolenko, for example, would have given players, fans and the management a major shot in the arm but of course that's dead in the water now.

Trevor Peers
16 Posted 25/08/2015 at 09:08:44
The press are actively encouraging Stones to put in a transfer request and that's how this saga may end. Bashing Roberto is just a means to that end as the deadline gets ever closer.

BK will only sack Roberto if we enter the bottom 6 for a long period.

Paul Cherrington
17 Posted 25/08/2015 at 09:29:24
Of course we don’t want to sell our best players but there is also the reality of where we are as a club to think about. We don’t have a rich oligarch or sheikh happy to pump money into the club to keep it going and buy players.

So, if we get a massive bid (say 㿅 million plus) for one player every few years, sometimes as the man in charge you do have to think "Should I take this if it means it benefits the club and team overall for the next couple of years?"

Ken Buckley
18 Posted 25/08/2015 at 09:30:50
A strange piece indeed; it is hard to know what the point is. You can write this dross many ways. How about:

Everton desperate for new ground and Chelsea awash with money are desperate for John Stones and Martinez won't put a price of 𧸴million on his head and sell him as he wants to keep him. He should be sacked for that.

Daft, you say... well, he started it.

Jermaine Jennings
19 Posted 25/08/2015 at 10:22:09
That is a strange article; there was no link between the title and the content.
Peter Morris
20 Posted 25/08/2015 at 10:39:45
I agree with Trevor. This is another way of coming at the John Stones saga.

"You need to sell to move on, so wake and smell the coffee, give way to inevitable. He needs to go to Chelsea."

That's what is at the heart of this piece IMO. The likes of Everton are there to develop players for the moneyed teams like Chelsea and Man City, oh and by the way, go down bravely after giving them a good test, just like Sunday.

Joyce and his ilk can Fuck Off with their advice as far as I'm concerned.

Harold Matthews
22 Posted 25/08/2015 at 10:59:44
Another one of those "Bill is wonderful" things. Has someone been flying that plane again?
Patrick Murphy
23 Posted 25/08/2015 at 11:11:50
I have googled Paul Joyce and he does seem to write mostly about our loveable neighbours, I think this and the other articles by him in today's Express is mischief making at its finest. If any of us, had have penned that article on this site the outrage would have been palpable and quite rightly so.

I don't think it has anything to do with the Stones situation or anything else — just a personal view by another Dark Side supporting journalist who often try and create and increase tension at Everton, because it's what they enjoy the most.

Mark Andersson
24 Posted 25/08/2015 at 14:26:40
I'm not a fan of Martinez, but I am 100% behind his stance on keeping Stones. This article is a joke, I really hope that, come this time next week, John Stones is still playing in the blue of Everton.

Really getting pissed off with this media manipulation, so for once I hope that Martinez turns things round and collectively as fans, manager, players, even the board can put the finger well and truly up and say Fuck Off!

Mike Powell
25 Posted 25/08/2015 at 15:03:44
If Martinez was going to be sacked, it should've been at the end of last season. You don't sack your Manager for keeping your best player — you praise him!!!

What an absolutely ridiculous article.

Thomas Lennon
27 Posted 25/08/2015 at 17:34:42
Once the transfer request goes in...we all know it is better for both sides to conclude the deal quickly. Martinez must put up stubborn resistance to protect his squad from other speculative bids but he would really need sacking if Stones eventually goes for £10 million after running his contract down for a year or two.

Sorry - great player to be but just one player.

Shaun Murphy
28 Posted 25/08/2015 at 20:20:30
Doesn't matter who the manager is, who on TW honestly believes we are going to win anything in the next 50 years.

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