Yarmolenko set to stay put

by | 25/08/2015  231 Comments  [Jump to last]
Updated Everton are turning their attentions away from Andriy Yarmolenko following the failure thus far to get a deal with Dynamo Kiev for the winger over the line.

A 14.25m transfer for the 25-year-old appeared imminent late last week but a claim on Sunday by the Liverpool Echo that the Blues had moved on to Brazilian play-maker Bernard was the first indication that negotiations with Kiev have stalled.

Viktor Vatsko, a well-respected commentator in Ukraine suggested that Everton's reported interest in Bernard, currently with Shakhtar Donetsk, might have been a smokescreen designed to increase the urgency for Kiev's owner Igor Surkis on whom the decision to green-light the deal ultimately rests.

Vatsko explains that Surkis has a dilemma over either selling Yarmolenko without having a suitable replacement lined up or keeping him for Dynamo's Champions League campaign.

Ukrainian channel Football 1 TV reported, meanwhile, that Everton were set to fly Yarmolenko to Merseyside for the match against Manchester City but Surkis said he needed more time to think.

The latest word from Vatsko on Monday is that Surkis is pondering offering Yarmolenko a new contract to extend his stay in Kiev beyond next season, throwing further doubt on his desire to let the highly-rated Ukrainian international go. The player himself had said only a fortnight ago, however, that he didn't see much sense in signing a new deal to stay in Ukraine it's his stated dream to play in England's Premier League and had been promised a move by Dynamo if a top club came in for him.

Everton would seem to fit the bill, particularly if sentiment in Ukraine is anything to go by. A poll on Sunday suggested that over 60% of football fans there thought that the move to Goodison would be a good one for the player and his first coach is quoted along the same lines:

"English fans will love Andriy's technical ability,"he said. "Everton will be a good stepping stone."

Yarmonlenko's first club, Yunist Chernihiv, also stand to benefit from his sale they would be due a 50,000 development fee that they plan to use on installing a new pitch.

In the meantime, perhaps picking up the line from the Echo, Sky Sports have also reported that Everton have pulled out of talks while Ukrainian sources are saying that Kiev have identified Vorksla Poltava's winger, Artem Gromov, as a potential replacement for Yarmolenko for around 1.8m.

Shakhtar have denied any concrete interest in Bernard from Everton who continue to be linked with other targets, the latest of which is Juan Iturbe of Roma.

The last word so far on the topic from the Futbol Ukraine Twitter account that has been providing updates on the situation is that it was Everton who called off the talks once Surkis began stalling and that sources close to the Ukrainian club are saying that Yarmolenko will remain with them until January when he could be picked up on the cheap with six months left on his contract. Barcelona have been floated as potential suitors in that instance.  

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Jay Woods
1 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:10:39
Quelle surprise.
Gary woodward
2 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:12:27
No surprise there
Denis Richardson
3 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:17:59
Guess he wanted his £100k/week and we weren't prepared to go that high... or it was all bollocks from the off.
Paul Jeronovich
6 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:54:28
I'm honestly not being negative but I think most of us knew this one was not going to happen!

The link to Bernard seems just as unlikely, Shakhtar paid €25M for this player, file this one under 'never going to happen'.

Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:54:41
Yeah probably they leaked it hoping someone else would buy him under our noses
Phil Rodgers
8 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:54:52
No surprises here.
Peter McHugh
9 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:56:51
They agreed his release clause but the president didn't like ٟm upfront the rest in bonuses when we win the league...
Steve Croston
10 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:56:57
Not listening to any more transfer hype, although it may still happen with Yarmolenko, at least the lad who prints the names on the back of the replica shirts will be happy.

Glad to see Funes Mori at Goodison with a scarf on, that's one in the bag at least.

David Chait
11 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:58:59
Really disappointed if it's off. I thought it was at 90% done... And what a buy it would have been! We can't blame Everton as we don't know the details. But they are notoriously difficult to deal with...
Gary Woodward
12 Posted 23/08/2015 at 16:59:27
No surprises there; I had a feeling it was tabloid nonsense.
Minik Hansen
14 Posted 23/08/2015 at 17:00:26
I guess we're in for Lennon? :)
Joe Foster
15 Posted 23/08/2015 at 17:02:24
Disappointing but typical
Sam Hoare
18 Posted 23/08/2015 at 17:09:09
Disappointing if true
Andrew Presly
19 Posted 23/08/2015 at 17:32:35
Surprise surprise!

Can we buy a new keeper, please?

Daniel Lawrence
21 Posted 23/08/2015 at 17:34:36
It's okay, we can bring Naismith in to slot on to the wing. No big surprises....
Thomas Surgenor
23 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:05:43
As I said on the other thread about him;

If the reports are true; then we are NOT the only club who have walked away from a deal for him. There's something very difficult about capturing this player.

Christopher Kelly
24 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:06:24
Funny McHugh!

I actually got really excited for this one. Sometimes I fall for the trap and shame on me for it. Maybe we're the only team that hasn't received any Sky money all these years. That or check under the rug...

Craig Mills
25 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:11:28
Payment terms?!, £15M with all the TV money should not be a problem. FFS, looks like another one who we'll miss out on.....
Bill Gall
26 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:15:41
Is any one really surprised. This is Everton we are talking about ,and we are now down to 7 days before the window closes and still just rumors and speculation over the # 10 position that we desperately need.

Going on today's performance and the use of substitutions, the manager is not going to use wingers as one of our goal scoring wingers (Mirallas), despite being declared fit, stayed on the bench again.

Kunal Desai
27 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:17:36
Yeah yeah yeah. There was probably nothing in this story in the first instance. Why would a player of Yarmolenko's class want to join an average 'crumbling' premiership club with no prospect of European football. He's not that daft.

Getting tired of this pathetic transfer window wish it would just close now!

James Stewart
28 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:18:10
Really disappointed with this. I hope we really pulled out all the stops to get him. Absolute class player and I guess it was too good to be true.
Steve Cotton
29 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:30:21
This is Everton so expect shit like this every time. Just get used to it. That's why we looked at a £500k River Plate striker at 5'-4".

Would you sell to Kenwright if you were the Kiev owner?? Thought not.

Barry McNally
31 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:39:41
Hope Bernard is a smokescreen - he's shite.
Gavin Johnson
32 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:41:58
A team that are notoriously difficult to do business with trying to strike a deal with a team that wants to pay £15m over 10 years was never going to end well.

I shouldn't have built my hopes up. Another indictment of why this board has to go.

Colin Glassar
33 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:46:10
Backhanders are the only way to deal in these countries. You have to give a few bob from everyone from the president down to the tea lady otherwise nothing gets done. Get yer brown envelopes out Bill if you want to do business.
Barry McNally
34 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:54:52
They can just add the backhanders to the black hole in the accounts.
Jay Woods
35 Posted 23/08/2015 at 18:57:56
@ Colin Glassar: Sadly this is true; my wife is Russian and I have a bit of personal experience of how things work in the ex Soviet part of the world. A bribe-fest is what it is. You can barely even get a taxi ride between towns without your driver being harassed by the local plod for "fines" for imaginary offences.
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:01:31
After today's defeat to a below par City this is the last thing we wanted to hear when it is blatantly obvious we are crying out for quality additions.

People wonder why the board come in for flak.

Paul Ellam
37 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:03:42
I'll be gutted if the deal for Yarmolenko falls through.

I'm kind of hoping we are just using Bernard as a way to force a deal but, as with all things "Everton", I am not holding my breath.

Underwhelmed once more with the dealings of this club.

Brian Porter
38 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:05:31
Mega disappointing, but typical Everton. How can we come so close and then lose out on a decent player like this?
Mark Tanton
39 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:06:08
Can we change thew title? I thought the phrase "step away" was going to inform us the deal was almost done. Disappointingly this means the opposite!
Tommy Webber
40 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:06:21
This news on top of today's loss is not helping much. Sure is depressing being a blue. Come on Bill, give us something to cheer about.
Nick Page
41 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:08:40
File under fake bid right next to Shearer et al. Will never happen with this shower in charge. Never.
Christy Ring
42 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:10:03
Disappointed if it's true, because he's top drawer. I reckon the fee is not a problem, it's the staggered payments. I bet we want to pay fuck all upfront.

As for Bernard, I saw him play a few times, pure shite. A better option if Yarmolenko deal is dead, Austin from QPR, and Marshall from Cardiff.

Colin Glassar
43 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:11:48
Step away means erm, like......erm, step away Mark. Like it's not going to happen. We've walked away.
Mark Tanton
44 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:14:19
I can see that now, Colin! But it looked to me like the story was about getting close to finalising. The club is utterly useless at this transfer business.
Barry Sherlock
45 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:14:59
Unbelievable. Mega talented player. Just the sort of addition we need.

Get back on the blower and tell them we'll give them McGeady and he speak Russian!

Colin Glassar
47 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:21:44
Might be a negotiating ploy lads. You know, Big Bill playing hardball until the Ukrainians come crawling back begging (like Stonesy) and accepting our terms and conditions I.e. half a mill now, the rest over 30 years etc...

Trust Chairman Bill, he knows what he's doing.

Paul Kossoff
48 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:24:16
Mark 25, I agree, the title is misleading, when I read that I tbought it meant the deal was done.
Petet Henry
49 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:24:41
With the greatest respect to the Echo, perhaps they have this wrong as McNulty on the BBC is saying just no news...not that it's dead.
Gary Russell
50 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:25:19
And the difference... Citeh and Chelsea make contact & deal's done in less than 24 hours once the press get on it. As seen on the pitch today. Different league but we did well today, all things considered...
Dan Doran
51 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:27:15
We're tough negotiators, isn't that a good thing? All this splash the cash despite being robbed in the process...we're Everton aren't we? We're no chumps.
Chris Sillett
52 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:36:09
Well, I feel more annoyed with myself for getting really excited over signing Yarmelenko, I thought he would have been one of the best signings of the summer out of any club, I should have known this is Everton so never get your hopes up!

I have absolutely no confidence we'll get Bernard with only a week left to go. Even the signing of Mori, an unknown centre back, has been dragging on for about a week and now Martinez says that deal still isn't done!

We'll more than likely end up with Lennon as a last minute deadline day signing and then after a few days of being really angry and frustrated we'll all forget about how underwhelming we really are in the transfer market.

Matt Muzi
53 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:36:48
I hate it when this happens. Build your hopes up only to have them dashed, big time. If we don't get him we'll regret it, the same way I think we're going to regret not going in properly for Shaquiri.
Jim Bennings
54 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:37:45
We have been poor in the transfer window this summer.

Cleverley looks ok, if not really adds much to the dynamic he does put a shift in.

Deulofeu is still in my opinion only going to be a cameo squad player, I can't see him starting more than 12 or 15 matches when he is fit.

Has this Mori even officially signed yet??

We need a monumental week in the transfer market to give ourselves some realistic hope of challenging like we did two seasons ago.

Chris Wilson
55 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:39:51
Dear God I hope we don't go into panic buy mode because we missed on Yarmolenko.
Colin Glassar
56 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:40:28
Mori needs a work permit. They don't give them out on weekends.
Jackie Barry
57 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:45:12
Blimey are we pretty much poor every transfer window? I can just see it now, they change the rules and close it before the season starts, Everton forget and don't sign anyone.

In the end the board is to blame for how we conduct our transfer business. Martinez probably only identifies players he would like, the board are in control with the negotiating. Pathetic.

Brin Williams
59 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:47:36
We should be doing these deal a little more cleverly... Why pay top wack when you can get Bosmans? Was he a Ukrainian?

David Chait
60 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:57:01
Is Nolito still around?
Jackie Barry
61 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:57:52
Nothing official though that we have walked away. I will wait and see before coming to any conclusion.
Jim Bennings
62 Posted 23/08/2015 at 19:59:16
Do we really have other options if this Yarmolenko deal has collapsed?

Bernard to me, we don't have much success with Brazilians, sounds like another Jo.

Yarmolenko would have changed the landscape and given us that bit of class you need in the final third, again in the second half today there wasn't enough movement around the penalty box.

Who will we sign?

Paul Jeronovich
63 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:01:25
The work permit will surely be knocked back at first, one cap?
Colin Glassar
64 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:04:33
The Yarmolenko deal is not totally dead in the water, apparently. The Ukrainians are still thinking about it.
Sandra Williams
65 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:18:15
Colin, would you mind stepping in to help with the negotiations then?! And what IS Ukrainian for "It's make your mind up time.... we're not made of money, y'know!"
Christy Ring
66 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:20:37
BBC are saying that Kiev are still considering our offer. (Here's hoping.)
Victor Jones
67 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:35:14
What a load of pissing about this transfer window has been. And we miss out on another target. If he ever really was. Why not just get Lennon in and batten down the hatches, and get on with things.

This is Everton. Be grateful for what we have. Howard and Barry and Pienaar and McGeady. Come on people. What more do we need. And Martinez will soon have us with no left-sided players. And about ten defensive midfielders. And don't forget Naismith.

I cannot wait for next season. Just to see were the "big" Sky TV money disappears to. Cause it won't go on players. And I have not even mentioned John Stones.

Nick Page
68 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:46:17
Looking forward to deadline day Lennon signing. Surely we deserve better than this!
Steve Harris
69 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:49:56
I would like to know why Colin seems to be widely acclaimed as being the 'man who knows' on here? Not sure what he's actually done to earn such a reputation, we were signing Sergio Roberto weeks ago according to his 'inside information"!!!!!
Mike Allison
70 Posted 23/08/2015 at 20:54:45
Steve, he told us about previous signings before anyone else knew, most notably Lukaku's permanent deal last year.

And if he doesn't know, he says he doesn't know.

Colin Glassar
71 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:02:57
Steve, it's not my fault if the player and his club pulled out of a deal is it?

Thanks Mike. Add Besic and Delofeu to that.

Colin Glassar
72 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:05:34
And Barry before he signed on full time. Players like Mori, Rodriguez and Yarmolenko have all come out of left field as far as I'm concerned. I didn't have a clue we were linked to any of them a few days ago tbh.
Joe Foster
73 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:15:39
It's your fault, Colin.
Colin Glassar
74 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:17:12
I told them to stay well away from those eastern Europeans, Joe.
Gavin Johnson
75 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:20:12
Let's hope the player makes his feelings known, assuming he really wants the move.
Sam Hoare
76 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:24:48
The Mail reporting that Roma's interest is complicating the deal... Sounds plausible.
Mike Manchester
77 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:26:59
I would have been buzzing to have Bernard linked earlier in the window. But after Yarmolenko it feels like a massive anti-climax. Is this "Riquelme" for a new generation?
Conor Skelly
78 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:30:52
Colin called Del-boy all year. Keep up the good shouts, Colin.
Brent Stephens
79 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:31:50
Gary #39 "Citeh and Chelsea make contact & deal's done in less than 24 hours once the press get on it."

As with the Stones transfer?

Nicholas Ryan
80 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:39:23
Interesting, that Yarmolenko constantly refers to Kiev as 'my home town' and 'my home-town club' etc.; when he was born in Leningrad (St Petersburg), 1,000 miles away, at a time when it was still part of the Soviet Union.
Denis Richardson
81 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:41:24
Colin, reading your comment No 60 says to me that the club has not managed to get the key players it was targeting. I am not including Cleverley or Deulofeu here as these may be decent but neither is a massive improvement. Hence the left-field signing attempts (or read panic) signings.

Martinez says he's going to get 3 players in 7 days. If two turn out to be Evans and Lennon, I personally will be hugely underwhelmed.

Tick tock...

Mike Oates
82 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:44:04
I believe Mori has an Italian passport, so shouldn't need work permit.

I'll back up whoever mentioned it above, the Soviet block countries were / are an absolute pain to deal with. I worked in the area for 3 years and I don't think we concluded anything because the price kept moving and all levels of their management wanted sweetners to get things done. They believed the West had money to burn, and the worse thing: even their "legal" staff wanted cash upfront to clear anything.

Colin Glassar
83 Posted 23/08/2015 at 21:45:38
Same here (re Evans and Lennon) Denis.

I imagine Martinez, like most managers, has certain players in mind and when these don't happen he moves down to his B list, then C list and so on. I just hope we aren't ending up on his S list.

John Pickles
84 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:15:30
They may have pulled out because they were worried that he might pass the medical!
Andy Meighan
85 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:32:34
This Bernard fella is absolutely shite. I remember him in the World Cup in Brazil. But he'd fit the Martinez way of playing - slow lazy and can pass a ball sideways... oh, hang on, haven't we got a few more of this type? Yes he'll be the ideal signing for us. I can't stand this manager and the sooner he goes the better.

And to think there were folk on here after the freak result at Southampton thinking we were going to turn City over. Deluded the lot of you, he's taking our club one way. Down.
Drew Shortis
86 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:34:15
I wouldn't write this one off just yet. Who saw the 㿈m deal for Lukaku coming off? We have established that the media knows about as much as the rest of us about what is really going on with our transfer dealings. They talk like they have inside knowledge but they're all blaggers!
Colin Glassar
87 Posted 23/08/2015 at 22:42:34
Never say never Drew. There's nothing "official" coming out of the club but then there was nothing "official" linking him to us in the first place.
Neil Wood
88 Posted 23/08/2015 at 23:10:40
Stop panicking. He's coming..
Harold Matthews
89 Posted 23/08/2015 at 00:06:46
I think Baines was probably the last time I got a little bit excited about a possible signing. These days I just can't raise the effort.
Neil Riddell
91 Posted 24/08/2015 at 00:38:18
This has to be a feint (hopefully). If you look at the respective YouTubes for both players they're not in the same league (even though they are!). Yarmalenko would be a game changer for us.
Gavin Johnson
92 Posted 24/08/2015 at 02:10:53
Good to know the likely sticking point isn't to do with us not being able to stump up the cash.

If the sticking points to do with them not having a replacement for the Champions League, offer them Aiden McGeady.

Why I think they'd want him though... I'm not entirely sure.

Jamie Sweet
93 Posted 24/08/2015 at 03:05:37
Yarmolenko or no Yarmolenko - I hope that the club understand that us fans are expecting a signing of this type of quality in this window or a little aeroplane flying overhead may be the least of their worries.
James Wong
94 Posted 24/08/2015 at 05:24:03
Would have preferred Konoplyanka myself who went to Sevilla on a FREE, (okay, he wanted £100k wages) but still the £15m here could have been spent on wages instead of a transfer fee. Besides Yarmolenko is on a free next year so seems silly to pay £15m for him if nobody else is after him.
Phil Malone Jnr
95 Posted 24/08/2015 at 05:38:55
Honestly, even if we pull off some worldy signings before the deadline, will it make a difference?

Martinez has shown what he has as a manager and I think that's enough for me. We need a change and I don't think Yarmolenko, Mori, Dante or Messi would make a difference.

First time I'm saying it out loud: Martinez has to go.

Mark Andersson
96 Posted 24/08/2015 at 06:57:57
Is that a threat, Jamie Sweet? Nothing will change: same shite, different season. If we are really honest, we are mugs for putting up with this tired sorry old shambles.

If Stones goes then I would expect uproar but sadly we will just piss and moan and not really do anything proactive to change things.
Michael Ward
97 Posted 24/08/2015 at 08:41:45
On Bernard, who seems to be getting a good slagging off on here, I personally think what I have seen of him he looks to be a great player. I remember him catching the eye coming off the bench for Brazil in the confederations cup and thinking "he would be a great signing for Everton", he then got his big money move to Shaktar and I though ah well.

As a number 10 he may even be better suited than Yarmolenko, who I still have reservations about.

Trevor Peers
98 Posted 24/08/2015 at 08:45:30
BK should be ashamed, we seem to be the only Premier League club that can't close a deal. Why is that ? No wonder there's demonstrations... the owners continually let us down. Why don't you just sell up and get lost?
David Chait
99 Posted 24/08/2015 at 08:51:43
I think Mike #72 has summed up "difficult to deal with" perfectly. This type of thing is almost literally on the agenda under "Facilitation Fees".
Callum McNab
100 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:01:11
I wouldn't be surprised it will be Mirallas swapped for Lennon. According to Ronny Goodlass, Mirallas walked down the tunnel when he put Deulofeu on instead of him.
Leung Chi Ho
102 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:02:02
Not impressed with Bernard's goalscoring record in the Ukrainian League: 2 in 37 matches. Also, he is too small to deal with the physicality in the Premier League, and he must expensive than Yarmolenko cause he cost Shakhtar €25M.
John Jones
103 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:19:38
After all the positive after the Southampton game, getting linked with Yarmolenko, to Monday morning after an okay performance against champions elect in Citeh, to being linked with Januzaj... Really? I mean Really?

This kid is nowhere near the same standard as Yarmolenko.

Monday morning Blues is not the word right now.

Joe Digney
104 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:27:38

Could still be on?

Ciaran Duff
105 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:30:39
Who's with for flying a banner at the next game?
Glassar out! Glassar out!
Tony Smith
106 Posted 24/08/2015 at 09:30:43
Phil Malone (#84), Are you related to the the greatest of Evertonians, Ray Malone?
Iain Latchford
107 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:05:20
All I can say is "WOW!!"
Eugene Ruane
108 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:13:08
This plane banner's getting bigger by the day - 'Sack the board and fuck off Bill, but get well if you're sick, even though you might be fine and it might actually be your brother, oh and 'Glassar out!' although out of what exactly I'm not really sure'

(Doubt there'd be a runway anywhere long enough for it to take off!)

Iain Latchford
109 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:15:25
Was BK at the game yesterday?
Lee Gray
110 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:19:02
There must be someone available on a free...
Brian Williams
111 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:25:34
We've lost a game to the probable Premier League Champions and some people just totally overreact.
Ciaran Duff
112 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:49:03
If I believe these rumours, does that mean I'm a "half Glassar full man"?
Kevin Elliott
113 Posted 24/08/2015 at 10:59:40
Bernard Cribbins would be a good aquisition.
If only to lighten the mood in the dressing room.
Paul Cherrington
115 Posted 24/08/2015 at 11:19:49
I would be gutted if we don't get him and it's just the two signings from South America instead. Maybe the Yarmelenko link was just a smokescreen to sneak these other two signings in without the fans kicking off.
Brian Wilkinson
116 Posted 24/08/2015 at 12:01:27
Kiev are good negotiators, even by their standards they will struggle against our board, by the time Bill tells then about his arse hanging out of his kecks, as his uncle Cyril rode his bike, complete with Bill on crossbar, and just enough money to get in the Boys Pen and a Wagon Wheel for half-time.

The Kiev board will reconsider and ship the guy off to Goodison.

John Byrne
117 Posted 24/08/2015 at 12:24:59
If it's true that we backed off because Roma showed an interest then we really have become a joke. Why not fight Roma for his signature?

As much as I hate the way Chelsea have pursued John Stones, they haven't done anything wrong & I wish we were a bit more like that instead of just giving up.

Yarmolenko looks a world class or potential world class player at least. You don't get players like him without a bit of a fight so show a bit of ambition for once & give your fans something to smile about or get excited about FOR ONCE!!!!!

James E Evans
119 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:00:55
Sky now reporting that Yarmolenko to Everton is definitely not happening because the two clubs could not agree a deal.

Quite frankly the board are a disgrace. If the two clubs had agreed a fee of around 㾻- 㾾m as reported (depending on which source you believe), then it must be a case of Everton wanting to stagnate the payments over God-knows-how-many years that has ultimately put paid the player coming here.

I don’t care about Kenwright’s illness, the club have become a laughing stock under his tenure. I want him out.

Christopher Marston
120 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:20:46
This club is a joke. No brains.
Ged Simpson
121 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:30:29
It may be a shit deal?
Brian Williams
122 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:34:43
Here we go again. All our own clubs fault before you know ANY facts... it get's really tedious on here with the total negativity.

Ukranian and Russian clubs are notorious for moving the goalposts after deals have been agreed and the club "may" have refused to be fucked about. Is there anything wrong with that? Some people just WANT to moan no matter what.

Christopher Marston
123 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:35:14
It might've been a shit deal but Everton have a history of building hopes up and then destroying them so very quickly. Too many smoke screens.
Patrick Murphy
124 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:42:31
It was probably always going to be tough to bring this lad to Goodison, but given Everton's sometimes cynical approach to the fans and their absolute commitment to filling the ground, you can't help wonder if they trumpeted the deal in order to sell a few more seats for the City game, whilst simultaneously taking the wind out of the sails of the protesters.

By the time we play our next home match the window will be closed and it will be interesting to see who has departed, if anybody, and who has arrived, if anyone.

Paul Andrews
125 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:50:06
I'm surprised at the anger being shown over yet another failed transfer.
Surely we should be used to it by now?
Mark Tanton
126 Posted 24/08/2015 at 14:52:48
Who can seriously blame a single Evertonian for being cynical? Was it this time last year that the Phil McNulty raised the possibility of a 'typically Everton' phantom bid for Negredo?

I don't think this one is a conspiracy, but I do think there's a good chance Everton have rubbed them up the wrong way – it wouldn't be the first time we've done it would it? Whelan was compelled to call up Sky Sports News on deadline day last year in exasperation at way we were trying to sign McCarthy.

It must be like getting blood out of a stone.

Tony Abrahams
127 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:06:31
Mark, nobody could. Did you see when the Echo released the story about us pulling out?
Mark Tanton
128 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:13:13
I didn't see much of it, what were the highlights Tony?
Richard Reeves
129 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:22:28
"Unspecified snag", I wonder if that is method of payment.
Greg Mckerracher
130 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:27:00
This deal is still on. Its perfectly standard for the selling party to ask for a media diversion or silence period to allow them to conclude deals for replacements without fear of being ripped off, as they would if it was known they suddenly had €20 million in the coffers. It was the same when Bale was going to Real Madrid which allowed Levy to line up deals.

The Ukraine media is linking Dynamo with playmakers from other Ukrainian clubs – so something is happening, defo not dead yet.

Helen Mallon
131 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:28:10
Brian Williams, where have you been? Every season, we get the same old bullshit whenever there is unrest in the fans' ranks. A top player is announced we are going for, fans get happy... then, last minute, it's off because Everton want to pay in instalments. As we have no bloody intention of buying anyone.
James Morgan
132 Posted 24/08/2015 at 15:48:57
Can't say I didn't see this coming...
Mike Doyle
133 Posted 24/08/2015 at 16:04:14
Helen (#115).

The normal market practice for paying transfer fees is to stage the payment in installments roughly in line with the duration of the contract the player is signing.

This was explained by one of LFC's former hierarchy (Christian Purslow I think) during one of the recent transfer deadline day specials on 5 Live. It's not unique to us.

I agree with your opening comment though.

John Malone
134 Posted 24/08/2015 at 16:13:34
Can someone please explain how we havn't got £10 million quid to slap down on our main transfer target after all the increased TV money???
Aidy Dews
135 Posted 24/08/2015 at 16:17:04
Everyone needs to chill out! Sky Sports News are only going off what the Echo are saying and now it's in the tabloids as well. This is a tactic by us to force Kiev's hand in negotiations.

Think about it: why would we move for another player, in the same league, from their fiercest rivals?! I don't believe for one second we thought half way through last season we thought "Hey, let's go scouting Ukraine for No 10s and creative players in the summer!"

By all accounts, we're still in discussions and the talk is now that Kiev want a replacement sorted first before letting Yarmolenko go.

So there's still a long way to go on this one; it could go down to the dying minutes of deadline day even!

Danny Halsall
136 Posted 24/08/2015 at 16:59:48
I will reserve full judgement for the end of the transfer window but, if this does not come off, I will be really disappointed and I can see a lot of fans really fuming over it, especially if he is snapped up by somebody else before the end of the window.

We need quality in the final third and this guy is somebody who can genuinely add to that area of the pitch. Bill and Co will have a lot of explaining to do if our transfer spend stays at what it is at the moment.

Jim Hardin
137 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:28:05
I still think the deal is possible. Silence sometimes is the best indicator of the sides actively negotiating. As for the criticism of Colin, he has been right most of the time and provides a calm assessment of the situation almost always.

However, he really is letting us down about South American and African leagues, clubs, and players. Get with it Colin. Everton can't be expected to scout its own deals can it?

Mike Manchester
138 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:42:51
I'm afraid with the political situation in Ukraine, it IS entirely possible, RM is just sounding out players at Ukranian clubs @Aidy #121
Jimmy Kelly
139 Posted 24/08/2015 at 17:47:03
No offence, Colin, but I think you're being a bit naughty with your claims here.

As far as I can see, you're saying that you called a load of transfers which were pretty widely reported prior to them happening. Lukaku, Barry, Deulofeu etc were not exactly earth shattering pieces of information – they were linked with us interminably for months. Besic was another one which you called after the initial reports, and I distinctly recall you admitting at the time that you were only getting your information from a Bosnian football website.

Now there's nothing wrong with that at all, but when you start claiming to be 'In the know' people believe you, and you're clearly not. The deals like Mori, Rodriguez etc aren't out of nowhere as far as the club is concerned, they just weren't widely reported, and so you had no idea about them because you don't have any contacts, you just regurgitate what the papers say.

I'm sorry if this comes across like a personal dig, I don't know you from Adam and the rest of the stuff you post I usually agree with, but letting people believe you know the inner workings when you don't (and getting prissy when someone calls you on it) is unnecessary and a bit sad.

Mark Tanton
140 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:02:00
We'll get the odd character, no doubt, coming on here to say "it's like it at every club". Well no, it's not. No club messes about like Everton. We are unique.
Tom Bowers
141 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:19:45
There was a lot of hype after the Southampton game but calmer heads know that football is a funny old game from one match to the next. Had Everton played Norwich at home, say, it probably would have been another win and a lot of people wouldn't have been worrying too much about all this transfer trash talk.

As it was, Everton survived some of the usual defensive scares in the Soton game and eventually got the 3 points but a tough fixture against a much superior opponent albeit at Goodison (which hasn't exactly been a fortress over recent years) was looming and was always going to be an acid test which it ultimately proved.

The Blues still have plenty of room for improvement as we all know but how that happens is open to speculation so in the meantime, we fans, as usual will have to be patient as long as it's the Bill and Roberto show.

Sean Dullard
142 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:23:23
Thanks Aidy (121). Makes sense thinking about it, thanks for calming me nerves. Fingers crossed we will get our man.


In Martinez we are trying to trust...

Christopher Kelly
143 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:37:29
Surprised we have any fans left? The board has about sucked every sliver of hope out of the team. The top 4 won't change until the rules do. Snooze.
Ged Simpson
144 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:47:42
Has the club or Martinez actually said we would sign him? I just did a search and can see every media outlet passing the story to each other but cannot see any comment from club.
Frank Crewe
145 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:52:46
We're signing him, we're not signing him, we're signing him, we're not signing him.

I hate transfer windows. It's a grubby business and I'll be glad when it's over. I don't care who we sign or don't sign. Just as long as we don't sell anyone who's any good that'll suit me.

Conor Skelly
146 Posted 24/08/2015 at 18:56:38
Harsh, Jimmy. You admit you don't know him so already you are in no position to prove whether Colin has "an in" or not. To me that is immaterial. The Pub / ToffeeWeb needs characters like that.
Colin Glassar
147 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:02:14
No offence taken, Jimmy (#127), I've resigned!!
Stephen Bird
148 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:06:44
Colin Glassar is one of the main reasons I check into this site. He never claims to be anything but a huge fan and tells us what he knows in a quiet and factual manner.

The fact that that would leave him open to criticism is unbelievable.

We all listen to the shit turned out on Sky Sports and the Sun without a murmur!

Keep the faith, Colin, you are the people's choice.

John Logan
150 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:16:45
He's an idiot if he ignores the 60% of fans in the Ukraine telling him to go and play for a club that was not as good as the one he currently plays for last time that was tested out.

I'm similarly struggling to get to grips with how Tom Cleverley is coping with the mild annoyance of 41% of Villa fans that he left for Everton.

Ged Simpson
151 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:25:03
Colin, do you know? Has the club or Martinez actually said we would sign him?
Bob McEvoy
153 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:27:57
Colin has been the most accurate caller of Everton transfers in the last year. Remember the Lukaku saga... he got it spot on. I suspect the reason he doesn't get a job in the media is that he's too bloody accurate.

Keep up the good work, Col.

Zachary Tanner
154 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:37:46
Colin's not picking names out of a hat here, rather he has a journalist brother-in-law, or some sort, who is based in Spain if I recall correctly. This 'source' has been a nice feed of Barca related info, but unless he's got journalist family members embedded across the world, let's not expect him to confirm everything we read.

Oh, and please keep up the inside info from Spain Colin, it is quite refreshing.

Phil Walling
155 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:38:00
Trying to look ahead a week to when the excitement really kicks off, I'm wondering which of our players will have their noses pushed out by all these signings.

The Barry and Macca midfield axis seems absolutely sacrosanct whilst the back four (when they are all fit) and the front 'one' pick themselves. Cleverley and Barkley are only now working towards an understanding so it seems to me that only the right wing position is up for grabs.

There we have Mirallas, Deulofeu and McGeady all waiting for a game whilst the finishing touches are put to the return of Lennon. A truly ridiculous situation.

Meanwhile, the goalkeeper gets away with murder and the only playmaker on the books gets nearer to drawing his pension. Does anybody feel the manager has got his priorities wrong?

Steve Harris
156 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:39:36
Sorry to hear you've resigned, Colin. I'll have to look on newsnowEverton for the same information now!
Stephen Bird
157 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:43:18
Steve (#144),

No need for that, mate, we all disagree from time to time but no room for bitchiness.

Phil Walling
158 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:46:45
Hey Colin, I've called it a day about 20 times and the only time I could really stay away was when I spent a month on a summer cruise!

With all that's going on, ToffeeWeb needs you – otherwise I'm stuck with Ruane to argue with!

Winston Williamson
159 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:46:46

Even IF the information which Colin brings us is available elsewhere online, at least he takes the time to actually look... and IF that's the case, it is obviously not something he enjoys doing as his previous posts show that the media in general do his fucking head in.

Of all Everton-related shit to be getting in a tizz about, Colin isn't it!


Terence Tipler
160 Posted 24/08/2015 at 19:49:15
Difference with Colin's calls, they seem to come off.
Barry McNally
161 Posted 24/08/2015 at 20:03:07
Spot on, Winston.
Mark Frere
163 Posted 24/08/2015 at 20:31:55
I thought we had (allegedly) triggered his release clause? If that's the case, then how can Kiev be holding up the deal at their end? I guess no one really knows what's going on. It could be the players wage demands, or Everton not actually meeting the release clause. We will just have to wait and see. Fingers crossed though.
Colin Glassar
164 Posted 24/08/2015 at 20:58:32
I'm not quitting TW Phil, I'm just keeping me trap shut regarding transfer speculation. I'm as confused, and frustrated, as everyone else is right now.

Thanks for the kind words lads. I never intended to come across as a know-it-all arsehole. Let's move on and hopefully get that elusive, game-changing Number 10.

Dom Kearney
165 Posted 24/08/2015 at 20:59:42
Hello All,

Have never posted before but check ToffeeWeb several times a day. I am just as frustrated as everyone else and am hoping this deal goes through because, from what I've seen, he is class.

I don't agree with the attack on Colin. He has been more accurate in his predictions than anyone else and at least sticks his neck on the line now and again. Here's hoping for top signings over next week..

Christy Ring
166 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:05:34
I understand a fee was agreed a few days ago. The story now is that we've moved on because Kiev are too hard to deal with. I believe, knowing Kenwright and his negotiation skills, we've offered fuck all upfront.

We're a complete joke, we were favourites to sign Charlie Austin, but now we're buying Rodriquez for 㾺m less from a league that is lower than the League of Ireland.

Andy Crooks
167 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:06:31
Colin, if you hear anything please continue to let us know. Your insights have been excellent and modest.
Simon Hodges
168 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:17:51
Evening, I have been a long time reader of TW but never posted before. Just wanted to say that, like many others I am sure, I scroll through topics to look for Colin's posts (not that I don't read the others) - especially on the transfers front. Please keep them coming at what is a frustrating time (less than a week to go)!
Dennis Ng
169 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:18:22
Colin, love your comments and predictions and I agree we need a playmaker more than the signings we're said to have made. I wonder if that's the 3rd signing though. Definitely not looking forward to Evans nor Lennon.
Mark Tanton
170 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:20:08
I thought the team played well on Sunday, but we're swimming against the tide at the moment. How long will Coleman, Stones, McCarthy, Garbutt, Lukaku and the rest stick around at a club which is completely rudderless? How long will Martinez manage a club with one hand tied behind his back? Moyes did it for years, but why would anyone else?
John Brennan
171 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:28:57
Colin, keep those interesting and informative posts going.
You and Harold provide a lot of very sensible comment on TWeb along with me.
Christopher Marston
172 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:39:51
I love Colin.
Tom Bowers
173 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:50:09
I don't think for one minute Martinez is worried about having one hand tied behind his back. To him, it is a job that pays well and as long as the team has some respectability in the Premier League, he will keep it, much like Moyes.

The board knows full well he doesn't get the funding that the ''wealthy'' clubs have in abundance so he won't be that accountable for the team not reaching the upper echelons.

Brent Stephens
174 Posted 24/08/2015 at 21:56:27
Winston #148 "ICWT" - brilliant.
Nil Satis Nisi Glasser?
John Audsley
175 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:12:13

Your a top blue and if certain people don't like your information they can fuck off.

I might even renew my license and fly a biplane over Goodison claiming "Glassar is God" if we actually sign "a player" before the windows closes.

Meanwhile Elstone bungs 2 players on 2nd class tickets back to South America claiming they only came over to bring BK some flowers.....

Dave Pritchard
176 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:16:08
I'm in the 'Colin doesn't really know what's going on' camp. I almost believed the Sergi Roberto one. However it is others who have elevated him to cult status with the Glasserdamus type comments. I think anyone trying to predict Everton's transfer dealings is on a hiding to nothing so think he is wise taking a back seat for a while.

Chris Kelly
177 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:34:41
Pressure is on the board and Roberto to deliver something in this window. No major (hopefully) surprises out, we knew early doors what is required in terms of numbers and quality.

More cash to splash due to enhanced Sky deal. Pre-season planned, no distraction this year. So boys and girls we wait with baited breadth to see what blue Santa will deliver us before deadline day.

Some of the other teams seems to have scouted some fab new players, nobody has heard of; some of the rich teams have bought some big names; we have been promised some additions, especially since we got rid of some of the older players and have a couple more past their best.

Yarmolenko looks quality, but Iike some of the other non Premier League players, seems a risk. Possibly a risk worth taking giving his credentials. However serious risk of being underwhelmed if he does not come off.

Other guys mentioned may become fab if we actually get them, but surely their are quality players in the UK who would be of interest to Everton? Surely we have some pulling player to attract say the best in the Championship or or other Premier League teams? There must be some nuggets along the Cahill, Jags andStones mold?

Anyway I digress, if Roberts and the board cannot deliver both quality and quantity this year I believe it will be a nail in the coffin. Quality players we do have will start to drift, a new name can lift the team and the fans and in past seasons a poor window has created apathy for all. So come on boys, do a deal and surprise us all...

Bill Gall
178 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:48:56
I am still trying to get my head around the number of different players we seem to be associated with. I agree with, if player (a) is not available we go to player (b) and so on. With 7 days left in the transfer window, I guess with the number of players we have been associated with, we will just have players, t u v w x y and z to try and sign.
Winston Williamson
179 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:51:55
Brent 159
Christopher Marston
180 Posted 24/08/2015 at 22:58:04
I really do think Martinez has had no clue about who to buy. If he identified that a playmaker was needed, then why has no bid been for anyone been put in before now. The man seems so out of his depth.
Ciaran Duff
181 Posted 24/08/2015 at 23:07:34
My earlier comments ("Glasser Out" etc) were obviously meant to be tongue in cheek and highlight how ludicrous some of this debate is. I cannot believe that some people are actually having a pop at him. FFS – what is wrong with you people?

Colin's tips have generally speaking been pretty accurate but I still take every rumour with a grain of salt. If you think transfers are simple and easy then have a look at other clubs dealings. Everyone is linked with every club. Look at Chelsea "stealing" Pedro when he was a dead cert to move to Manure all summer. It's like a massive version of that old movie The Chain" about several couples buying/selling houses and how they are interdependent.

Much of this will go down to the wire as both buying/selling clubs and players look to get the best option, Why don't we wait until the end of the window til we pass judgement?

Oliver Molloy
182 Posted 24/08/2015 at 23:16:28
Ciaran I don't believe you. I think you meant every word.
Trevor Peers
183 Posted 24/08/2015 at 23:39:34
Roberto still has this problem with his midfield tactics, identifying a central midfielder must be a nightmare for him. He still prefers Barry, McCarthy and Cleverley as his 1st choice midfielders. With any two from Barkley, Deulofeu, Mirallas, Besic, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith, Gibson, McGeady... and now he's also using Kone in midfield. That's a huge amount of midfield players on the books

As long as he uses these tactics, we will struggle to be consistent as a unit. Because it's basically flawed, with no real system, and constant changes in the line-up; it doesn't add up to a coherent style of play.

So I can't see us buying yet more midfielders before the window shuts.

Spragg Johnson
184 Posted 25/08/2015 at 01:20:47
My pessimistic prediction for the '3 in' would be: Aaron Lennon, Jonny Evans and the Uruguayan lad?


If this is the case and... if Stones leaves... surely there's riots?

Patrick Pulis
185 Posted 25/08/2015 at 02:35:06
Call me naive, but I'm not ready to give up on Yarmalenko. It makes too much sense for Kiev to sell him. He's only going to lose value the longer they hold on to him. There's no way he signs a new contract at Kiev, he'll just leave for free and Kiev can't afford to just throw that kinda money away.

It seems very sensible that they are just looking for a player to replace him before everyone and their mother knows they just got a huge stash of cash. If this is just a ploy by Kiev to improve the terms of payment or hope for another team to come in and up the bid, that makes sense.

None of these things lead me to believe it's incompetence on Everton's part. Maybe this deal is completely dead and details come out to make us look like a club ran by a pack of morons, but it just makes too much sense that they would sell him. Hopefully this is just all bluffs from both sides that it ends in the deal still going through.... or maybe I'm just naive

Mike Prendergast
186 Posted 25/08/2015 at 03:29:54
I swear blind to myself. Do not read the gossip. Ignore the internet rumors.

But every hour I log on to TW or NewsNow > Everton.

Why do I do it to myself???

Paul Ward
187 Posted 25/08/2015 at 05:12:47
Carry on, Colin, because I for one trust your judgement rather than the Red Echo. What a paper, everyday printing rumours stolen from other newspapers. Do those so-called journalists really get paid for cutting and pasting stories from the national daily's into their back page?

Like (Spragg #164) posted, has-been Lennon, yard-dog Evans and unknown Rodriguez. We won't even get the Brazilian dwarf Bernard.

Darryl Ritchie
188 Posted 25/08/2015 at 07:43:54
Colin. Keep doing your transfer research. You know what info is legit, and what info is useless crap. I usually take everything that I read about who's going where, with a grain of salt, so to have someone sort through it all, and pick out the transfers that MAY happen, is welcomed. There's so much media speculation, it's mind boggling. It's a circus... with lots of clowns!

It all happens out of the public eye, so no one actually knows what will happen by the deadline (may it come soon).

Brin Williams
189 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:02:21
MP 169. Bloody hell, you've got the same disease as me mate!

Bloody painful too!

Hugh Jenkins
190 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:04:13
Colin (147) - A brief read of the posts on here indicates that the support for you views outnumbers the naysayers by a huge margin. I, for one, delight in reading your posts on all subjects and do set great store by your insights into what is, or is not likely to happen, on the transfer front.

Ignoring all else therefore, I would ask you as a personal favour to continue as before. Anyone who does not want to read what you write or has a different view, is welcome to ignore your efforts. The rest of us appreciate them.

Mike Prendergast
191 Posted 25/08/2015 at 08:29:40

I do not think we are alone. I left Liverpool 20 years ago. So too old to change now.

We are all doomed.

Paul Cherrington
192 Posted 25/08/2015 at 09:21:08
What is frustrating about this deal if it doesn't happen is that he is a top player and exactly what we are crying out for in the team. I think that's why people will get upset if it doesn't come off and we bring no-one in for that role or some cut price bargain from a poor league.
Chris Wilson
193 Posted 25/08/2015 at 10:09:23
Ugh. Seeing Yarmolenko and Barcelona being linked together now, as a replacement for Pedro. Well, if this rumor is true...it was nice fantasizing about Yarmolenko in an Everton shirt for a bit, huh?
Danny Halsall
194 Posted 25/08/2015 at 10:55:04
Chris, I suppose it is down to the player, if he wants to play in the best league in the world every week then he should sign for a team like Everton. If he wants to sit on the bench behind the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Messi etc he can go to Barcelona.

Must admit that I thought that we would still get this over the line, I was one of those who thought our pulling out of negotiations was a smoke screen to help push the deal through, not as confident today. Btw, can Barcelona even attempt to buy him with their transfers embargo?

Dave Williams
195 Posted 25/08/2015 at 11:36:07
The odds are that we pushed out the story about Bernard to spook Kiev and they retaliate by putting out that Barca want him. He looks very good but not THAT good!

I come across a lot of agents with my work and some are the most devious people you will ever meet - very clever at getting their player the best possible deal by using the journalists who are under huge pressure at this time of the year to produce stories which will encourage punters like ourselves to buy papers to read about who just might be joining our club. It works – look at the number of posts on this site alone about who or who may not be joining us and we slag off the manager and board for failing to land players in whom we have no interest whatsoever.

Never believe what you read in the papers – only when you see the picture of the player wearing the shirt. The real stuff is moving along silently with no publicity – once it hits the papers, the agent is trying to get other clubs involved which usually means the player/agent doesn't fancy the first one.

Oh and hands off Colin Glassar – always a decent poster and the site is about opinions and not a platform for people to abuse others who don't agree with themselves.

Mark Tanton
196 Posted 25/08/2015 at 11:43:07
Well said, Dave. If they keep on at Colin, I say we get a posse together.
Dave Williams
197 Posted 25/08/2015 at 11:54:33
I'm in, Mark — right to free speech without being abused for having a different opinion... and not to be criticised for sharing information which does not become reality.
Brent Stephens
198 Posted 25/08/2015 at 11:57:13
Justice for the Glassar One.
Dave Pritchard
199 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:01:08
I haven't seen any posts being disrespectful to Colin, just a couple of people giving their honest opinions, just like he does. The proof of the pudding etc
Mark Tanton
200 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:01:59
I got me a six shooter somewhere, I just need willing men and horses.
Chris Wilson
201 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:10:54
Fair points about newspaper rumors, Dave Williams. The majority of them are crap, but there are times when they have some legs to them as well. I mean, just look at the Chelsea situation. The only thing we know is that Chelsea want Stones; the rest of the stuff like transfer requests, fees, etc, comes from the infamous "sources close to the situation". Which could journo bullshit, agent hi-jinks...as you say, we don't know.

Danny Halsall, I believe Barcelona can buy players, but those players cannot be registered, and therefore cannot play for Barcelona until January (I think that's when the embargo ends). I don't know if that means those players would join Barcelona and just train with the team until the embargo is lifted, or if the player would stay at their previous club until the transfer is official? It might be up to the player.

In my attempts to find a silver lining in all things (a New Year's resolution that I could be doing better with...such is the life of an Evertonian), this might not mean the end of the Yarmolenko situation. As Dave also suggested; this could be Kiev's counter to our counter - we say Bernard, they say Barcelona. We might be trying to play mind games with each other, which I've always thought Russian and Ukrainian people find more respectful rather than straight up negotiations - they respect you more if you're trying to be sneaky. I don't know if that makes any sense. Just my own experiences being brought forth.

Phil Bellis
202 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:14:31
Bloody 'ell... what's been going on in my absence? Who's been having a go at Glassardamus? Colin, you can only offer what you know/have been told; none of us have any control over how the club "negotiates".

Talking to fellow Blues lately, different age groups, different depths of pessimism, I detect a change this transfer window. I can only describe it as general attitude of "this is too much, even for Everton". Could be the silent majority are beginning to get a bit whispery...

Final straw if Stones goes and no Billy Bigbollocks signing, methinks – Interesting to see if Stones plays tomorrow night.

Dave Pritchard
203 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:20:58
For what it is worth BBC now have a report that mentions Stones:


Also Roberto doing his pre-match press conference it seems.

Anthony Burke
204 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:26:17
Everton hope to have 1 or 2 players in the next couple of days...

This was said on Sunday, so today's the day!

I'm so excited to see our new arrivals...

Jackie Barry
205 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:27:23
For the Barnsley game.
Jackie Barry
206 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:30:56
Lol. Fair play, Martinez handled that well.
Brent Stephens
207 Posted 25/08/2015 at 12:57:05
Mark (#182): "I got me a six shooter somewhere, I just need willing men and horses."

Mark, I've got a nag at home.

Anthony Jones
208 Posted 25/08/2015 at 13:41:02
What would be the point of signing such a great attacking player? He will only be dropped in favour of us playing 4 centre mids in the crunch games. Martinez talks of playing without fear but his selections are often more conservative than a Moyes line up.
Paul Cherrington
209 Posted 25/08/2015 at 14:18:01
I think the sin meido/no fear thing was a great bit of spin from Martinez that actually disguises he is very conservative at times. The notion that he is some sort of free-flowing attacking genius whereas Moyes was some sort of dull boring Fraser from Dad's Army is wrong.
Eddie Dunn
210 Posted 25/08/2015 at 15:24:35
Every time I start to hope for better things, one of the players or the manager make a boastful statement (Lukaku going to run through City's big units) or now Tim saying we can win the cup. (Remember losing at Swansea last year?) Same goes for Martinez on new signings: 6? 3? ...

If we don't land Yarmolenko, it will be a damp squib when he gets Lennon, and another promising South American that no-one's heard of.

I think this Stones conjecture is unsettling the whole squad behind the scenes, and JS feels he has to show clever play in situations where he simply should get rid.

Injuries are mounting too, so early in the season. We are in danger of unravelling. The hopes of a better season after the win at St Mary's will be gone if we lose at Spurs, with a trip to Chelsea to follow and a difficult visit to Swansea afterwards. We could be looking at 4 points as our total when we run-out at the Liberty.

We'd better get a lift in this next few days, because one more key injury (Lukaku for example) and we will be in a right mess.

Trevor Lynes
211 Posted 25/08/2015 at 15:53:46
Barcelona are supposedly wanting Yarmolenko to replace Pedro so that will be about it for him.

Now we are linked with Iturbi who is another player with tremendous ability and obviously will be wanted by richer clubs that us.

The Echo made the point about Barca and Yarmolenko then put the boot in by saying we were signing Hendry from Partick Thistle.

We are quite obviously the joke club of the Premier League which has taken a lot of pressure from the two north east clubs who are the usual ones who get laughed at.

There are now just a few more days before the cell door clangs shut and I will be able to forget about Everton and their hollow promises.This club has aged me in the past couple of months and I cannot even mention them without getting into arguments.

Martinez obviously will not resign as getting sacked gets him paid off.He, like all the players are contractors and Everton must be one of the safest jobs.We are busily signing players who nobody has ever heard of and kids who are well off premier league level, whilst every other club in the league are signing players who will improve their first eleven.

Michael Kenrick
212 Posted 25/08/2015 at 15:59:29
Where's this idea come from that we are playing Chelsea at Stamford Bridge next month?

The game is at home for Everton, on 12 September; kick-off at the ridiculous hour of 12:45pm.

Mark Tanton
213 Posted 25/08/2015 at 16:08:13
Has she got a long face Brent?
Frank Crewe
215 Posted 25/08/2015 at 17:04:39
Watched the Arse and RS game last night. All that so called attacking talent and it ended 0-0. £32 million quid Benteke and £29 million quid Firmino (hooked off) barely registered. Coutinho was the RS best player by a mile. Endlessly spending doesn't always make a side any better.

There appears to be a lack of realism regarding signings that Everton could make. If, by some miracle, a player like Yarmolenko signs for us then great, but realistically it's not going to happen. What can we offer a player like this that bigger, richer clubs can't? We have no European football at all. No more than an outside chance of winning a domestic cup or getting a top four finish even if he did sign. All we have is PL wages and there are plenty of continental clubs that can double whatever we offer.

It's time to start facing up to the fact of exactly where we stand. We are a mid sized club in a poor provincial city. We have almost no prestige among the european elite clubs that would make a big name player want to sign for us. It takes us all our time to hang on to the good players we have let alone attract others.

We have to start going after the players we actually have a chance of signing instead of going off on these flights of fancy chasing after players we have almost no chance of persuading to sign but wind us up into a frenzy only to be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

We also have to stop pouring scorn on the players we are in with a proper chance of signing as "not good enough". They are good enough as long as we set proper priorities. Priority one. Don't get relegated. Players like Lennon, and Evans are good experienced pro's. They could go right into our side without any bother at all.
I'm already seeing criticism of the two South Americans we're signing and they haven't kicked a ball yet. But they didn't cost Uber millions so they are obviously rubbish.

Run the club properly. live within our means. Get good youngsters like Stones for decent prices and develope our own talent. If Barca can bring on youngsters so can we.

We have to stop living in the past. Since the PL started football has changed beyond recognition and we have to face up to the fact that other clubs, both domestic and foreign have overtaken us and it's not down to BK or RM. They have giant grounds, better locations, billionaire owners. Things that we can't control.

We're in the EPL. Assuming we don't do anything stupid that's where we will stay. Lots of clubs and their fans would give their eye teeth to be in our position. Isn't that enough?

Jay Harris
216 Posted 25/08/2015 at 17:11:51
Stephen Brown
217 Posted 25/08/2015 at 17:21:43
I'd also have to say no Frank. You have to have high aspirations and a plan how to get there otherwise what is the point?!

I hope JS request is rejected point blank and we do not sell! A huge principle involved now! These footballers need to be stopped! He was happy to sign a 5 year contract last year so we should hold him to it!

Frank Crewe
218 Posted 25/08/2015 at 20:19:51
@ Jay and Stephen.

If you were a top class player would you sign for Everton? Or do you expect others to do something you wouldn't do yourself?

Ian McDowell
219 Posted 25/08/2015 at 20:46:52
disappointed would have been a great signing.
Brin Williams
220 Posted 25/08/2015 at 20:48:50
I think the board are kicking themselves because the didn't cash in on Baines when the had the chance with ManU and probably see this Stones thing as something they don't want to miss out on again.

Having said that I think............... do you know I don't know what to think at the mo. This whole thing has me thinking WTF!!

Shaun Murphy
221 Posted 25/08/2015 at 20:57:40
Frank, isn't that Bills fault for falling asleep at the wheel while others are pit stopping and lapping us.
Jim Bennings
222 Posted 25/08/2015 at 21:17:57
Just close this window now and put us all out of our misery.

I expect no more notable signings made, Christ we have'nt even sealed the deal for the Mori lad yet, something that was meant to be completed in "24 hours" that was flippin Friday teatime.!!

Eddie Dunn
223 Posted 25/08/2015 at 21:26:01
I feel sick. I wanted to believe what Roberto and Earls said....will we now have the excuse to let him go?
I hope not. Tell him he is going nowhere, and stick to our guns.
I suspect that they all knew he wanted to go, and thisi s why we suddenly started looking at South American centre-halves.

Poor management to let the two old centre-halves go and not sign anyone to replace them after all of this time.

This is going to fuck-up what is already looking like a car-crash opening of a season. I was already worried about Spurs & Chelski away, and now everything could really turn to shit.
I also think that Martinez has been hamstrung by the board, and his targets have been too pricey for our meagre war chest. This sale ( if it happens) will enable him to spend more, but in a total fucking panic, with every c**t knowing that they can ask top-dollar for whoever we want.
It's a shit storm heading our way, and it is only going to get dirtier.

Greg Mckerracher
224 Posted 25/08/2015 at 21:27:14
This is a guy who was gutted when his move to Stoke fell through. Why the flying fuck are we flapping around at the last minute looking for scraps. This is turning into an absolute effing jeffing shambles. If I see Lennon, Evans, Fazio and other garbage being paraded next Wednesday I am going to throw the mother of all hissy fits. I intend to display this anger by abusing the lax supervision surrounding the "self serve" mustard and ketchup bottles they have at the Goodison hot dog stands. The forthcoming increase in "other operating costs" will be entirely attributable to me. That'll teach Bill and Bob Elstone.
Drew Shortis
225 Posted 25/08/2015 at 21:30:21
Brin Williams 201
Keeping hold of Baines was a great move by the board as he is vital to EFC and it showed we weren't going to be bullied by the money clubs or pressured by the press. We had to make the choice between cashing in on a player when his stock was at its highest at the peak of his career and keeping hold of him and seeing his value slowly decline as he neared thirty. For some players I would have said sell, but Baines is just too important to us.

Stones is a different story at 21. His stock is just going to keep rising. In hindsight we probably should have got shot of Rodwell sooner, but he looked like he could be special. Stones IS special and has proved that over the past couple of seasons. I don't expect him to stay at Everton his entire career, but when he goes it should be on terms that best suit us, both in terms of the transfer fee and in terms of timing. At the moment neither of those criteria are fulfilled.

Eddie Dunn
226 Posted 25/08/2015 at 21:40:59
Thanks Michael, I see we are at home to Chelsea- I had read it somewhere that we were away!
Steve Jenkins
228 Posted 26/08/2015 at 00:40:50
The board should be able to afford a price for a player of his quality, it's a steal but yet another player we'll miss out on.

No doubt they're farting about with payment structure, ٣ a month till its paid off.

Our financial situation is preposterous considering we've been a main stay in the PL.

Re Stones transfer request - so fucking what!

Too late for us to replace him, he needs to be told he's staying till next season and if he wants to go he can put in a transfer request at the start of the next summer and we'll sell him to the highest bidder after the Euro 's.

There's no reason to sell him now, simply Chelsea should have come in with an offer of around 㿔 M to start with, instead of that derisory bs 㿀 m offer, and Stones (very disappointed in) should have shown more respect to the club than requesting a week before the window closes, as Chelsea have no doubt tapped him up to do in the hope that they get him cheaper.

Stones no doubt knows that he'll almost certainly been off next summer anyway, he could have given us one more season before resorting to this pathetic behaviour.

Rio with without inflation went for almost the same as is being bid, Luiz went for 㿞 M.

If our board sell him this season, I'll be very angry, if they sell him this season and for a penny less than 㿞 m in which the whole amount gets reinvested before the close of this window, I'll be fucking furious.

Simply, there's no reason for the board to sell, apparently it's Roberto decision, we keep being told that they're running the club so fantastically well that we don't have to sell, so problem over for this season... you'd think.

That is, of course, unless the board are telling porkies and will use the Stones request as an excuse to say we have to sell him, we'll then recieve the money spend about 50% of it and the rest will be forever lost into the "operating costs" again..

Gavin Johnson
229 Posted 26/08/2015 at 01:35:01
I'm starting to warm to the idea of us bringing in Bernard instead of Yarmolenko. I'm inclined to think it's more than just a smokescreen after Martinez's comments yesterday.

While I'd have Yarmolanko all day long. He is more of a goal threat having a better goal record, and we don't have enough of them at the moment. I do think that Bernard could be the ready made replacement for Pienaar and Osman - a tricky player with very good ball control. We've got too many players that rely on physicality and power in their game. In this sense he might be a better option than Yarmolenko when playing centrally.

Also being leftsided rather than favoring the rightside like Yarmolenko, Bernard plays in a position where we are actually short. We already have Deulofeu, McGeady and Mirralas who plays on the right wing from time to time. Opposed to Pienaar, Henen (doesn't really count) and again Mirralas from time to time on the left wing.

So like the song goes - you don't always get what you want.. but sometimes you get what you need. So I think Bernard might be the player we need after all, and while Brazilians have been hit and miss in the Prem, they've got a better record than the Ukrainians and Russians as successful signings.

Tbh, I just hope we sign anyone in that price bracket who has some pedigree right now. Every other team has, WBA = Rondon, Palace = Cabaye, Stoke = Shaqiri. It's not really asking too much!

Denver Daniels
230 Posted 26/08/2015 at 02:11:59
If Yarmolenko falls through then we should try to sign Hakim Ziyech from FC Twente. Apparently Roberto had a good look at him last year but who knows if that was just paper talk. He is the no.10 we need.
Albert Perkins
231 Posted 26/08/2015 at 05:50:48
Sounds like someone at Kiev wanted a backhander to sell Yarmo. It's harder for us to do that kind of thing these days. Crossing my fingers that something will turn up this week.
Jack Woods
232 Posted 26/08/2015 at 06:00:48
Maybe Kenwright has played Kiev like a fiddle here and pulled out of the Yarmolenko deal so he can swoop on that Artem Gromov fellow that Kiev have lined up as his replacement?
Matt Traynor
233 Posted 26/08/2015 at 06:03:36
Albert #212,
With all the shady and difficult to trace financial goings on at Everton, with loan facilities with offshore companies when we really shouldn't need them to fund operating costs... what makes you think it's harder for us to do that?

Backhanders are part and parcel of football and have been for years. They're called "Agent Fees", and it's not unusual to have more than one agent in a chain. FIFA just took it to new levels.

Colin Glassar
234 Posted 26/08/2015 at 09:23:36
You have to love these guys don't you? According to the Guardian, yarmolenko has now turned down arsenal as well as he's heard Barcelona might be interested in him.

I really have no sympathy for these overpaid gobshytes when their careers go pear shaped as all they want to do is follow the money.

Danny Halsall
235 Posted 26/08/2015 at 09:42:41
Can somebody please clarify for me. I thought that Barcelona were in the middle of a transfer embargo after the Neymar deal. How is it they are able to negotiate for and sign players in this window?
Colin Glassar
236 Posted 26/08/2015 at 09:59:47
They can sign players Danny, they just can't play them until January. They already have bought two players who they can't use!! This is just another case of how football is quickly becoming the new Wild West.
Colin Glassar
237 Posted 26/08/2015 at 10:28:41
Just read on a Spanish website (Sport) that yarmolenko has turned down both arsenal and Everton (who are the only club to have made a firm offer) as his heart is set on joining Barca. The interesting point is that Barca don't seem particularly interested in him as they have plenty of options in his position.

Stuff him, let him rot in the Ukraine.

Danny Halsall
238 Posted 26/08/2015 at 12:26:09
Cheers Colin, clears it up a bit. I would put money on him staying in Kyiv until January then and afterwards signing for Barcelona. Oh well...
Colin Glassar
239 Posted 26/08/2015 at 12:31:33
Too many players seem to be quite happy wearing a Barca, Madrid or Chelsea shirt for a season then ending up at WHU or Newcastle.
Trevor Lynes
240 Posted 26/08/2015 at 12:33:45
Colin, most top players want to be at the best club they can. Barca are reported to be interested in Yarmolenko to replace Pedro and that makes sense.Iturbe another top player is supposedly linked with us?

We will end up with perhaps Lennon and De Guzman on loan.

This boardroom of charlatans have made our great club a laughing stock and the Echo is now saying we are trying for Hendry of Partick Thistle. These are joke signings along with the Uruguayan for 500,000. I hate to see our club being ridiculed and I cannot blame Stones and any other of our players who may be worth money bailing out of this sinking ship.

Burnley have just paid ٧ million for a striker.Where is all the money we have made...?

Steve Brown
241 Posted 26/08/2015 at 12:42:49
Yes Colin @220, wearing a reserve team shirt for Barca, Madrid or Chelsea for a season... perhaps even making the bench for a PL game or getting into the team for Carling Cup in the early rounds. Welcome to your future John Stones.

And Colin, like many others I really value your inside intelligence so more of the same please. For those who question it, don't bloody read it.

Robert Workman
242 Posted 26/08/2015 at 12:59:07
Bernard was brought on for just the last 5 minutes of a crucial, tight CL qualifier against Rapid Vienna last night. I only saw him touch the ball once - a misplaced pass! Not much to judge him on but, if he is a good player, why wasn't he playing from the start in such an important match?
Barry Sherlock
243 Posted 26/08/2015 at 14:16:13
Yarmolenko is a very talented footballer. He would really improve our team. We need someone like that. I have to say I was really excited when he was mentioned. But I also have to add EVERY other player that has been linked I have not rated.
Oscar Huglin
244 Posted 26/08/2015 at 16:54:58
The yoyo has come back towards us again; apparently the Barca interest has been massively over-exaggerated by the media and there was little or no contact from Arsenal. Yarmalenko himself has now said that he won't be signing a new contract at Kiev, so either they'll cash in on him now or he'll go for free next summer. This might not be over...
Danny Halsall
245 Posted 27/08/2015 at 14:56:24
See that Yarmolenko has come out and confirmed that he is staying at Kyiv until the end of his contract. He will leave for free next summer at which point we will have 0% chance of landing him because everyone and their dog will want to sign him.

I can honestly say that anybody we get in now will not be of the same quality. We NEED a quality number 10, we NEED some quality at centre back and we could also do with some more quality at striker if Lukaku gets a knock.

Oh and there are 4 days left of the window..... shitstorm.

Oscar Huglin
247 Posted 27/08/2015 at 15:31:26
It's over.
Colin Glassar
249 Posted 27/08/2015 at 18:54:03
I'm not saying we might get him but surely Kiev would take the money now rather than letting him go for nothing next season? As Danny said, he's probably holding out for a CL team, even though none showed any real interest this time around.
Denver Daniels
250 Posted 28/08/2015 at 02:11:58
Forget him. Why not go for Hakim Ziyech of FC Twente? I'm beginning to sound like a stuck record but this guy is class. 24 goals and 26 assists in 69 games.

And we better get a move on as Wolfsburg are looking at him to replace De Bruyne if he goes to Man City.

Kyle Lombardo
252 Posted 28/08/2015 at 03:17:45
Nice shout that Denver Daniels (229). A poor man's De Bruyne. To be honest I had never heard of him but I like the age, I like the selflessness. This seems like a Martinez prospect all the way.
Colin Glassar
253 Posted 30/08/2015 at 08:05:16
Is this one back on? Don't want to raise anyone's hopes but Martinez, and the board, want to keep the fans happy (docile?) with at least one big signing.

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