Third Chelsea bid for Stones rejected

17/08/2015  305 Comments  [Jump to last]
Chelsea have had a third offer for John Stones worth 30m knocked back by Everton who remain uninterested in selling the defender.

The news follows reports published last night that the Londoners were preparing a new bid, with The Telegraph suggesting that even that record-breaking fee for an English defender would not meet Everton's asking price which has risen to 40m.

Roberto Martinez has publicly stated that the 21-year-old is not for sale under any circumstances following Chelsea's first two offers of 20m and 26m respectively.

Jose Mourinho had hinted earlier this month that as far as he was concerned the transfer window was closed but Stones clearly remains a target, perhaps more so now given Chelsea's poor start to the season.

The saga, which has played out in the media all summer long, is unlikely to go away until after the 6pm transfer deadline on 1st September, however.  

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Brian Murray
1 Posted 18/08/2015 at 06:38:10
Please, Chelsea... just FUCK OFF!!!
Dan Nulty
2 Posted 18/08/2015 at 06:43:09
What part of not for sale don't they understand? Stones was unbelievable against Saints. He does remind of Ferdinand in about 2006. I'm starting to believe this lad could be unbelievable. Really hope we can keep him. We shouldn't need the money.
Ian McDowell
3 Posted 18/08/2015 at 06:47:34
I have just been listening to Graham Beecroft on Talksport. He usually is very much in the know with the Merseyside clubs. As he understands, Stones is keen on a move to Chelsea.
Paul Kelly
4 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:12:43
We shouldn't have an asking price!

My old man said he'll give up on Everton if he's sold, who would blame him.

Vision- last minute deal on transfer deadline day, 38m,but too late to spend the dosh, which disappears for ever into the abyss that is our financial mess.

Rob Hooton
5 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:13:13
I would say the bid is 㿊m short -- we've got to keep him until after Euros next year at least if his head has been turned. There are plenty of clubs with class (unlike Chelski who are classless) who would outbid each other for his services if he continues to develop at this rate.

Obviously I would rather he spends his whole career at Goodison winning things...

Kelvin Thomas
6 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:27:28
Is he staying or are we just squeezing every penny out of this deal.
Are out transfers dependant on Stones being sold? I really hope not.
John Malone
7 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:33:51
Take sentiment away and look at it as a business decision if they offer over £34 million minus the 10% to bradford leaves roughly £30 million in the bank to improve the squad!

John Stones is a classy english prospect who looks like he could go all the way but he is not irreplaceable! At this moment in time losing our captain Jagielka would be a bigger loss!

There must be plenty of quality centre half's out there! Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks a cracking ball winning, footballing English centre half who would cost around £5 mill leaving £25 mill for Yarmelenko, Alex Song and another striker!

I would like to keep him and still get our transfer targets but if that is not possible then I'd rather see a much improved team than keep one player!

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:38:04
Is he Ian? Is he? And that is based on what? Has Stones told family, friends, team mates that he wants to leave? (That's the usual "sources" in these matters.) Has he given any "unauthorised" interviews like Sterling? Has he refused to train with the team or is he sulking? Is he walking around with a cob on? Has his agent started making noises? Is his body language during games indicative of any discontent?

Answer on the back of a stamp please.

Craig Fletcher
9 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:41:04
Well said Colin. You took the words right off my iPad.

I think everyone just needs to chill the fuck out. Stones is going nowhere, this season at least.

Matt Traynor
10 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:41:29
John #5 WTF have Bradford got to do with it? Yesterday someone said 30% to Burnley, now 10% to Bradford, plus the 20% we have to pay to Barnsley (who we in fact signed him from) - no wonder the money will disappear! There won't even be enough for new lawn mowers.

On a serious note, I think he's gone. Too many people within the game (not fucking journalists!) are stating that personal terms were agreed a long time ago, and it's just about getting Everton to sell. If that's the case, then the player has to hand in a transfer request and screw this loyalty payment bollocks.

If Man U can be "forced" into losing Ronaldo, and the RS Suarez, we certainly can't hold on to Stones if his head's been turned. That doesn't get Bill off the hook - these players should be thinking that they can challenge with Everton - or at least improve. Because Ronaldo and Suarez were world class when they left - Stones is still potential.

Julian Wait
11 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:43:00
We can't afford to sell him. The risk is just too high. We are already two CBs short. I would think any deal would have to be part of a package deal for several players on loan (which would upset Barnsley perhaps...) but frankly I don't see anyone at Chelsea that we would want that they would let us have on loan.

On a cash only basis, what would the price of relegation be for us? That's the price of Stones right there. I would say he is actually worth way more than $40m to us, he's actually priceless, unless we have suitable replacements both for him and also Alcatraz and Distin.

Thomas Surgenor
12 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:47:32
John #5.

I disagree, I actually think he is irreplaceable. I can't think of a defender in Europe (at his young age) that I'd rather have or anyone more suited to the modern game. Chelsea aren't buying some 27 year old to give them 5 years service. They are looking at a long term (10-year plus) fix for a departing Terry. John Stones would sort one half of their CB pairing for a decade and as such should be kept at all costs (this window) or priced as such.

This will sound contradictive but we should at least get one more year out of him and let the media hype increase. With every column inch written about him his value only goes up. Soon media outlets in other countries will pick up on the buzz and fans of Europe's elite will incite a bidding war for young John.

Colin Glassar
13 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:50:20
The flip side to this story is yesterday I was reading stories in two websites, SB Nation (Chelsea) and something like Swans united (Swansea). Basically, the Chelsea one said we are being a bunch of meanies for asking too much for JS as most teams just bend over and spread 'em wide. They went on to say that Chelsea need to move on and find another, cheaper defender.

The Swansea one went on to accuse us of being a bunch of meanies for unsettling their captain Ashley Williams and would we please go away. My point being, unfounded rumours are bad for your health and should be ignored until the beautiful Natalie, or Kirsty, announce them on SSn.

Peter Barry
14 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:50:40
If we don't get any transfers in until Stones is sold, then that means we have no money... and, if that is the case, then some serious mismanagement is taking place.
Neil Mulhearn
15 Posted 18/08/2015 at 07:55:27
IMO we absolutely have to keep hold of Stones. We have 6 or 7 outstanding young players, and we have to build around them. I honestly believe this is the best squad we've had for 30 years

We don't have millions to spend, but we could start challenging for silverware, with one or two additions

Selling Stones for £35m or so, would probably wipe Lukaku's debt, few million to Barnsley and maybe a new CB. Complete waste of a golden opportunity

Rick Pattinson
16 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:01:06
As good as Stonesy is £40 million is a large sum of money provided its spent on quality replacements. This cash would provide the 2 or 3 players we need. What we don't want is a player that stays but throws his toys out the pram cuz he wanted away
Darryl Ritchie
17 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:04:33
Been on a few sites, and it's generally agreed that Chelsea are going to come in with a £30 mil offer...which, it is generally agreed, Everton will reject. Then they say that Chelsea is going to counter with an offer "they can't refuse".

£40 million was a number bandied about.

Colin Glassar
18 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:05:43
Jeez, so Stones has agreed personal terms with the chavs already? And when did this happen? Was it days, weeks, months ago? Who are these faceless, nameless, 'people within the game'? Paul Merson? Rio Ferdinand? Harry Redknapp? The same people who had Bainsey secretly training with Man Utd a few seasons ago? Or the same people who had Coleman dying to play for boyhood club, Man Utd?

I would love some serious statistician to work out the percentages of how many of these rumours actually come to fruition. I'll start the ball rolling, so out of 1000's of predictions made every season I'd say about 2% are right. The other 98% are just made-up bollocks.

David Ellis
19 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:06:58
I don't think we will sell Stones in this window (or January for that matter). The reasons:

1. We don't need to. He's under contract so we can make him stay (and he's not going to be disruptive like a Sterling or Fellaini if he does -- see point 3 below). We have enough TV money for the time being to get the squad we want and can afford long term.

2. Martinez has said we are not going to sell -- by itself, I would not rely on this but it really reinforces point #1. Also, Martinez has form here -- he let Fellaini go because Fellaini did not really fit Martinez's mould, he was bringing in Barry and McCarthy anyway to run the central midfield. He did not let Baines go because Baines was a first team player that fitted his plans.

3. It's obviously not in Stones's best interests to join Chelsea just yet. He has just got into the Everton team and what he needs is regular Premier League experience. He may not get it at Chelsea this season, and even if he gets the opportunity if he makes the errors for them that he makes for us, they will be much less forgiving. He would be far better off to get a full PL season with us, become a regular in the England squad and then negotiate a better deal with us or Chelsea or whoever next summer.

So just relax. This is not about calls to Stones's loyalty or worrying about him being "turned" (it's a given he will leave if it suits him -- but he is better off with us for now). It's not about us needing the money... Blue Bill may want the money but we can always get more for him next year... so he will stay.

Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:10:59
Paul Kelly, I don't think your Dad would be alone, mate.

I asked the question yesterday, and was shot down, being called a journeyman fan, and basically being told the club doesn't need supporters like this.

The same man went on to say that he would still be there if Everton sold everyone. Very admirable, that might be... but also very stupid. He was basically saying he would watch Everton if they fielded eleven monkeys! Whilst I understood what he was trying to say, I realised why Kenwright has got away with it for so long.

I hope it's just mischief of a journalist, but why put a price on someone who is not for sale? My own view is Stones will go... and, if he does, I will not have been so disappointed since Wayne Rooney left.

BUT, whilst the Rooney money probably kept the club alive, there should be no excuses now, what with all the money in football.

Steve Guy
21 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:11:39
This is not about the money. It's about intent. We are either building a side based on quality and youth as RM has stated, or it's just another blagging exercise before we sell some of the Crown Jewels.

The track record of this Board doesn't inspire confidence in anything other than a sale, with RM getting a proportion of the money for replacements.

Hope I'm wrong and we keep the lad. Otherwise the only positive won't be £40m, it will be that the veil is finally lifted from the eyes of those who still think The Dear Leader is good for our Club.

Brian Porter
22 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:12:28
If we let Stones go now, with the season underway, it will only go to prove that the lunatics are now truly in charge of the asylum at Goodison Park.

First of all, we only have two established centre-backs, and let's be honest, Phil Jagielka is not getting any younger is he?

Second, it is now too late in the transfer window to start shopping around for an effective replacement; any such sale if it was going to happen should have been negotiated and completed before the season got underway.

Third, if it did come to pass that we have to look for a replacement, we would be in the land of the panic buyers with clubs asking inflated prices fir their players knowing we are desperate to sign someone.

Finally, how many times do Chelsea have to be told that he is not for sale? If anything, they are currently the ones who are panicking after a dismal start to their season, while we are looking good so far, and certainly in with a chance of challenging at the top again if we can continue to play as we did on Saturday. That is if we can keep our squad together and add to it, as Roberto wants, and not start selling off the family silver, sending out the totally wrong message to those Mirallas and McCarthy who have signed new contracts and bought into Roberto's dream.

In short, there are far more reasons for us to hold on to Stones than there are to let him go, so let's hope the board do something right for the club and fans, back the manager, and tell Chelsea where to stick their bid. Their underhanded tactics in this whole affair should also make us refuse to do any business with them for quite some time.

Denver Daniels
23 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:20:37
£50M from the David Luiz sale to PSG plus £10M for the English premium. It's not like they can't afford it. Otherwise they can do one.

The way the media has been behaving in this whole saga has been disgraceful. On some websites I read earlier, Martinez is accused of being a hypocrite because he signed Holgate after the season started when he was quoted as saying no players should be allowed to sign for clubs after the season starts. How ridiculous.

Brian Williams
24 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:23:48
I really can't wait until September the 2nd when the window is firmly shut and we still have John Stones as well as three further incomings, one or two of which will be "exciting" signings.

The gutter press are really pissing me off in trying to do our business for us. I include the Echo in that. Talk about manipulation. They're trying to engineer the move for Stones purely to add column inches and to prove themselves correct.

Oh for a world where, if papers make these statements which then turn out to be total lies and fabrication, they're severely financially punished! Parasites and liars the lot of 'em!

Paul Jeronovich
25 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:28:39
You can see what Chelsea are doing, consistent bids but only small increases in an attempt to unsettle the lad and force us to accept a lower offer.

I just hope Chelsea fail and we are resolute, anyone but that little shit Mourinho. We've got a diamond here and £30M is derisory, Kevin De Bruyne is £47M allegedly, David Luiz £50M.

Neil Wood
26 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:33:12
Come on everyone, why are we being so animated about this whole "saga" dare I call it that.

Some people are saying that if we get £40 million and it's spent well etc... Etc...
Well I for one am hoping that we have money to spend regardless of any sales as this has already been promised. Trust in the words that he is NOT for sale.
Why would any businessman sell something that's value is going to increase over the next year at around £1 million a month. That's right, no one with any amount of commons sense or business acumen.

My prediction, and I am in training to reach the dizzy heights of our good friend and fellow toffee web poster Colin Glasser ... Is that we will buy Austin for 10 million, a central defensive cover for £4-5 million and yarmelenko for £10 million to play as our "creative" goal scoring midfielder.

Let's just chill out (down with kids slang me!) and get massively behind them on Sunday.

Stop fretting. COYB

Diderik Gjoeen
27 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:33:54
So Chelsea need to strengthen at the back! What about us? We are already short with both Distin and Alcaraz gone.

That's who we are looking to replace... not Stonesy!

Trevor Peers
28 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:38:14
This constant bidding should be outlawed, maybe the answer is limiting it to 3 bids and out? Jose is a desperate man at the moment, a few more losses and he'll be getting the bullet.
John Crawley
29 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:38:38
We shouldn't sell him for any amount of money in this window. He's a once in a generation player and we need to build for the future. The only people who should be going now are the current board!!
Brian Williams
30 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:39:02
Tell you what, Neil Wood: if your prediction/s comes true, I'd be one very happy Evertonian!
Christopher Dover
31 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:56:17
I will start by saying I do not want or think Stones should go. Like most, if not all, I do not know if the talk of him wanting to go is true or false and here comes the thought,

Up to JT being subbed, Stones's move was to sit on the bench; now it is possible his playing time with Chelsea would be much more than first thought.

If this is the case, then the selling of Stones has changed: it's gone from Chelsea wanting a backup with a long future to now NEEDING a new CB.

If that is the case, and in my view it is, then it has gone from wanting, to needing, and this will make a huge impact in any negotiation on price. They have the money, if Stones wants away then the door is open to get the 㿙-50 million to let the deal go through.

I will say again, I do not want him to go and, to me, the only reason he will is if he wants to.

Erik Dols
32 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:59:22
Everton really are in the driver's seat in these negotiations. Stones has 4 years on his contract. Everton does not need the money directly as we did before when Rooney and Arteta left. Stones will play in Euro 2016 next summer. If he stays fit, his transfer value will not go down one pound next year.

Chelsea have an ageing defence and a mediocre start to the season. Mourinho is feeling the heat and subbed JT for the first time this weekend. They're desperate to get Stones and will pay silly money.

I really want Stones to stay, but IF he goes, we should absolutely mug Chelsea for it. 㿊 mil or 㿔 mil? Fuck off. I want more than City paid for Sterling.

Andrew Ellams
33 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:59:51
Wasn't Perry Groves the source that claimed Stones's agent had already agreed terms with Chelsea?

My prediction is Stones will stay at Everton this season and then leave for somebody other than Chelsea after the Euros next summer.

Mark Fitzgerald
34 Posted 18/08/2015 at 08:59:59
It's almost comical now, the incessant stream of daily updates on the Stones situation playing out in the media. And pounced upon by vigilant transfer spotters. Everyone has an opinion. But that's all they are, opinions.

I don't think (hope) Martinez would be foolish enough to consistently state publicly that Stones is not for sale at this time at any price only to allow a last minute deal to go through. Others will say that is exactly the plan but, again, everyone has an opinion.

Personally I would get huge satisfaction from seeing the window shut with no sale. Seeing the reaction of the Chelsea fans - Like Colin # 11 I read that SB nation article where their fans couldn't understand our reluctance to sell. In fact they seemed quite put out by our 'audacity', priceless.

I've said before, not caving in to this Chelsea pressure would send out a huge statement of intent from the club. Add in Yarmolenko, a CB & a striker. Suddenly the outlook would be very encouraging and we would be discussing our chances of challenging the Big 4 again. Let's hope those are the types of opinions debated on ToffeWeb in the very near future.

Jake Lucas
35 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:00:31
RM has already come out and stated signings haven't been made because the right people haven't been available - not once has he spoken about a tight budget or lack of funds.

I'm confident we will make the 3 needed signings, I would love Austin, Yarmelenko and a young CB. I agree with Neil that we could probably get both Austin & Yarme for ~20M (QPR must reduce their current 15M price tag for a player who only has 1 year left in his contract, maybe we should remind them what happened to us with Peanut).

If the funds are already there then there is no (NO!) need whatsoever to sell Stones, even at £40M. If we did and our kitty increased to say £65M (that's assuming 100% will be reinvested), and we still aimed to strengthen by 3 players, plus an extra to replace Stones. I don't believe we would be able to attract higher quality players, so you would assume the same signings would be made and the remaining kitty would magically vanish come January.

Paul Avery
36 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:01:12
At this moment in time it would be a huge step backwards to sell John Stones. I actually believe we can be a real force in the future if we keep this side together. We have a collective plethora of youth. (I have big hope with fringe youth as well.)

We will have a good season without the Europe distraction; we have kept the squad together really well... one or two big signings will set us on a good road to challenge for top four, even this season -- but you cannot let your top players go.

Jon Withey
37 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:06:18
Supply and demand muddy transfers.

They should certainly pay in that region for their potential future captain.

Otherwise I'll be happy to see him stay, £30M isn't going to transform this squad and losing stones makes it worse.

Erik Dols
38 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:11:03
Jake, if we sell Stones, teams will ask more for their players because they know we have a bunch of cash lying around and we need to buy players to satisfy disgruntled fans. Basically we will get the same players for an inflated price. Even at a record price the gains are not that big. Look at Spurs after the sale of Bale, the other lot after the sale of Suarez.

I just do not want to sell the lad. I feel we have nothing to gain, even at £60 or 70 mil.

Keith Monaghan
39 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:11:59
The title of this article is defeatist -- 㾶M short?!

No way should he be sold this season, & RM has already stated he's not for sale. So no more quotes from EFC needed.

IF we were to sell now, "㾶M short" is rubbish -- Luiz for 㿞M & "Rio the dope" "I forgot" 㿊M about 10 years ago!!! -- the price would have to be such that we made a clear profit (i.e.after agents fees & whatever Barnsley would be due) of at least 㿞M.

("Hi" to Ian from Total Fitness at Wilmslow -- hope you agree!)

Keith Monaghan
40 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:16:23
Erik Dols at 33 - nice to see a common sense opinion put clearly and concisely - think you speak for a lot of our fans who don't come on here.
Brin Williams
41 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:17:15
Watching the Soton game on Saturday and the all too apparent togetherness of this group of players that we have -- evidenced by their reactions to the great goals we scored -- my question is this:

Why would anyone wish to leave a club that loves them for some place where the manager is an absolute twit and has no compunction about upsetting one and all -- including his long-serving captain, backroom staff and anyone else that he thinks he can hoodwink or bully?

I suppose to answer my own question the answer must be MONEY!

But isn't life about more than that?

Eric Myles
42 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:23:07
Neil #23 "Why would any businessman sell something thats value is going to increase over the next year at around ٟ million a month. That's right, no-one with any amount of common sense or business acumen."

Our chairman has a history of such lack of common sense or business acumen.

John Jones
43 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:28:20
I think this is quite funny now.

The media are really turning on us aren't they. Nothing on NewsNow about the great performance at the weekend.

Everton 'ready to sign European assist king after hijacking Tottenham's 㾶m deal'

Deal close: Southampton 'on verge of landing ٦.5m transfer, Everton will be livid'

Barnsley boss slams Mason Holgate's Everton switch

Chelsea bid 㿊m for Stones... but Everton want 㿔m

Everton set to steal international playmaker from Liverpool and Tottenham

So at the moment we are stealing Players , we Livid with other clubs, Even other Managers are slamming us for bidding a fair price and buying a player.


The other strange one why would anyone sell a 21-year-old and replace him with 30-year-old?

Can anyone substantiate who Stones has told he wants to leave? If you watched the game on Saturday, at the final whistle, he and Jags linked arms and walked to the away fans; if that is a player that wants to leave the club, then I am really worried about my marriage -- my missus is always trying to link arms and looks really happy.

Tony Steele
44 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:29:59
Every player has a price. Get as much money for him as possible, find a replacement and move on.
Neil Wood
45 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:31:26
Eric.... Can't disagree but I would hope that his advisors may influence things!!!

Brin... I will give you double your salary to come and work for me... Are you coming? Although we all live in hope of a player having more than money as an influence, it is unfortunately the deal breaker.

Jim Bennings
46 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:32:10
It's quite simple, either tell Mourning and his sinking ship that it's either £40 million -- not a single penny less -- or we could just totally sink his flaming ship altogether and say two words, one beginning with F and the other word being OFF.

Stones has not asked for a move, is he keen? Says who exactly? Some chuff in the London media that seriously thinks Chelsea are as big a club as a Real Madrid or a Barcelona??.. Oh please.

Peter Giles
47 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:35:41
Chelsea... open those ears:


Now go away, you and your money...

Mike Keating
48 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:35:58
After watching Sterling's woeful performance in an otherwise outstanding City team on Sunday you have to say that if that little twat cost 㿝, Stones must be worth 㿨.

In 5 years time he will be the second Bobby Moore, a legend at Barca and Captain of England; Sterling will be remembered as an expensive mistake.

Eugene Ruane
49 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:44:27
As a fan of lazy-arsed British sports journo bollocks, I loved the line 'Chelsea are preparing a third offer worth £30m for John Stones'

I love their attempts to make the process seem like process - like something technical.

I mean Chelsea could save themselves all the effort of 'preparing a third offer' and just phone us and ask 'thirty million?'

But no, instead they are preparing an offer.


Well even if we lose young John, we can at least look forward to seeing the result of all this preparation.

I'm guessing the offer now (with all the preparation!) could involve a video of some sort.

I imagine a big production, thirty sexy girls, each wearing a tiny bikini and standing in front of wheel-barrow containing a million pounds. The ladies rub themselves provocatively while pointing at the cash (Sale Of The Century hostess-style). There are loads of close-ups of the girls seductively licking their lips while Serge Gainsbourg's 'Je' t'aime' plays in the background.

BK (3rd Sept): 'To be honest, it wasn't so much the offer as how the offer was... prepared'

Darren Bailey
50 Posted 18/08/2015 at 09:46:49
I don't know the lad (as none of us do) but this is a very different story to the likes of Fellaini, Sterling, Suarez etc. Those players had the sole intention of moving on to next stage of their careers but at no point has Stones said that's the case for him. In fact quite the opposite. He stated that he was happy at Everton, looking forward to the new season learning from Jags and cementing his place in the team to hopefully be in Hodgson's plans for the Euro's next summer.

Not in any way does that scream to me that the player's head was turned (not alone actually agreed any contract) and that he had already made his mind up that he wanted to join Chelsea at the end of last season as some people will have you believe. If he had decided he wanted to go then we would have sold by now-fact. Even our incompetent board wouldn't be so stupid as to keep a player all summer knowing another team was interested, insisting he wasn't for sale and leaving it until the last minute to sell.

Like I said, I don't know the lad but he doesn't strike me as being the type of person who would request a move at this late stage of proceedings. From a logical point of view (and I'd hope he would think logically) there is nothing but financial gain to be made to move to Chelsea at this point in his career. Okay, They may win a trophy this season but how influential will he be in winning that trophy? They are in the Champions League and granted that is a big draw for a player of his quality but again, how much will he play in the Champions League?

I think the Terry substitution on Sunday is/was a big ploy on Mourinho's part. Showing that he's not scared to substitute his captain to send a message to Stones that he could de-throne Terry which wouldn't happen this season and also to get the media all in a frenzy about the possibility Terry could be ousted. Typical Jose mind games and manipulation.

Stones will play 40 games this season alongside an experienced very capable England international in Jagielka but will only play a quarter of that for Chelsea if he was to move. A good season with us and a good showing at the Euro's and he's worth upwards of 㿔M so it makes no financial sense for Everton football club to sell at this time.

Jim Knightley
51 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:03:33
Haha, as if Stones has agreed personal terms!! Brilliant stuff.

I never thought we would hold onto Stones this window until the last few days. Martinez keeps saying he will not be sold, and Stones put in one of his performances in an Everton shirt. That does not happen when you are about to leave the club.

£35-40mil would be more than fair for him -- he is a wonderful player but has a fair few mistakes in him. But, if we have some money to spend on our CB and creative mid, then why sell? Where will the money go to improve the team? It will go on another CB, who won't be as good as Stones. It may go on a creative midfielder. But then where? Our full backs are great. Jags is fine for now. We have plenty of attacking midfield options, and we will not replace Lukaku. We could get a new goal keeper. We could get another striker, but he won't displace Lukaku. We could get another deep lying mid, but we have signed Cleverley, and still have several at the club.

There is no point in selling, because we won't spend the money.

Martinez talked about how he didn't want to follow the Saints policy -- and he is right. When we sold Rooney it was pivotal to our future success as a football club, because our squad was terrible. Now our squad is superb, save for the 3 buys Martinez has discussed. Selling Stones will not make us better. It will give us more money, but it won't improve us as a football club. Keeping him would be a massive statement of intent, and a big fuck you to the manager too often glorified on here -- that prick Mourinho.

Stones will stay. We need to concentrate on bringing in another CB and a creative midfielder this week, and hopefully a striker on loan too.

Glen Garrett
52 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:03:41
Message to Martinez: DO NOT SELL STONES!!! Everton will crumble in defence if they do sell him.

If Everton can keep up the way they defended and attacked against Southampton and looking at the team spirit that they have been showing together, why would Kenwright & Martinez want to sell any of them? Just tell Chelsea & Co to fuck off, nobody is for sale, and just keep building up the perfect team.

Martinez must know by now that this is the only chance he has got to get things right for Everton; they will put the nail into their own coffins if they sell Stones.

Everton are starting to build a really good team now & looking like a team that can get them back into Europe... hopefully the Champions League this time round

Patrick Murphy
53 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:13:52
Jose doesn't like losing at anything, which is why my heart sank when Terry didn't return to the fray on Sunday afternoon. Terry's withdrawal for whatever the real reason, was also a statement to Jose's employers to get them to meet whatever Everton's breaking point may be and a statement which also said to John Stones "look there is a place for you in my team."

I was very hopeful that John would remain at Goodison for at least a year longer, but as the 'bids' go ever higher, me and many other supporters hopes may be dashed. This is the modern game and we may not like it but as always we have to take it on the chin if JS does leave in this window.

For those that believe our current custodians are doing a great job - let's see what happens to the Stones money if he leaves and how many if any players are recruited on the back of any sale. In our board we trust?

Mike Keating
55 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:32:02
As John Lennon once said, when the Mind Games Guerrilla starts playing, you just fight back:

So keep on playing those mind games together
Faith in the future out of the now
You just can't beat on those mind guerrillas
Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind
Yeah we're playing those mind games together
Projecting our images in space and in time

Yes is the answer and you know that for sure
Yes is surrender you got to let it go

No Surrender -- let Stones remain a figment of Mourinho's imagination.

James Brand
56 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:32:44
Ok highly controversial comment:

If it rises to £40m I would rip their hand off despite being hugely disappointed that we lose him as I'd love him to stay and my reason for that is this:

He is an unproven central defender with stacks of potential - certainly the credentials to follow Ferdinand or Terry BUT let's just say he doesn't fulfil his potential - we can't take that risk and we as a club have a classic example of someone like this: Barkley.

There were figures of £30-50m being bounded about a couple of years ago for his potential and on last seasons showing his value would have been lucky to get to £20m (tho he has started this season well).

My point is this: we as a financially stricken club cannot walk away from figures like this for kids with potential. Take the money and move on...

Richard Lyons
57 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:32:48
Maybe we could have Gary Cahill and that fit doctor in part exchange?
Drew Shortis
58 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:33:32
If we sell for £30 or £40m we will end up regretting it even more than the Rooney deal. We here in financial dire straits back then, but with the TV money from Sky and BT we aren't desperate and the player isn't kicking up a stink so we hold all the cards.

If the player really does want to go then we should demand £50m from Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City. With that money, plus the budget we already have we can make some serious investment in our squad. The only problem with that would be doing it on deadline day, not getting in the players we want and the money disappearing between now and January.

As I said before in another thread, if we lost stones but gained Van Dijk (£8m), Dragovic (£10m), Kagawa (£12m), Yarmalenko (£14m), Lennon (£6m) and Austin (£12m) would anyone be grumbling? Those signings would transform us from a good team into an excellent squad capable of challenging for the Champions League. I just can't see us pulling all those deals off on deadline day.

For that reason I would take advantage of Stones age, the Euro's prospect and his lack of agitation for a move, hold onto him for this season, bring in the three we desperately need with our existing budget and then see where we are next summer. If we have a fantastic season he might not want to leave, but if he does want to go we will be able to demand even more money and can sell to the highest bidder and do our squad building in decent time instead of the last minute.

Oliver Molloy
59 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:34:29
My thoughts are...

Stones WILL leave when the right money is offered -- it is only a matter of time... this window, next window, next season...

Only one thing may change this and that is if we qualify for Champions League.

So let us all enjoy John Stones while he wears our team shirt and the better he plays the more we get.

Alexander O'Brien
60 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:41:52
Colin, you missed out the lovely Hayley, Kate, and even Vicky on SSN. I wonder if they're recruiting? I need a career change...
Shaun Traynor
61 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:49:12
I don't think John Stones will go this season, but I think he will next summer after the Euros and we can then demand a very good figure, £40-50M.

Looking into my crystal ball, I can see the lad going to Barcelona... if he did, I'm sure we would all be a lot happier than him joining Chelsea. He would fit their style of play -- comfortable on the ball, play from the back etc and be joining an even better team than Chelsea.

Apart from that, I can see us nicking 3 points on Sunday!

Justin McCarthy
62 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:50:41
John should stay to captain the golden generation. In 5 years time our team could be, without buying anyone:

Robles; Holgate (or Kenny), Stones, Galloway, Garbutt; McCarthy, Ledson (or Walsh); Deulofeu, Barkley, Dowell; Lukaku.

The eldest (Robles) having just turned 30. Maybe none of the young ones will reach their potential, but they all sound promising.

Neil Wood
63 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:51:08
Richard Lyons.... Just the doctor would make me happy!!!

I think the £60 million quoted in players by Drew would finish BK off.... More chance of me attending a Michael Barrymore pool party than that happening.

Chris Green
64 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:56:09
Matt #8 - if he has agreed personal terms the premier league need to step in.. cos there is NO deal or agreement from Everton for them to speak to him.
Nicky Styles
65 Posted 18/08/2015 at 10:56:36
Of course he's going to go. It'll happen on deadline day, I reckon. And even if we do hold out, the Chavs with all their new money will be back in January. Pretty depressing really.
Laurie Hartley
66 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:06:09
Chelsea have got an "unlimited" amount of money.
Everton have the "only" John Stones.
Chelsea are our rivals.
They need John Stones more than we need the money.
We therefore, are in the box seat and we should take full advantage of that - by refusing to sell John Stones at any price.

I never saw Duncan Edwards play but my dad told me he was the best footballer he had ever seen. Players of this calibre are priceless.

What happens if we roll City this weekend? Not beyond the realms of possibility if we play like we did against Southampton. Everything then starts to look very different for everyone - including John Stones.

This could be the turning point in our history that we have been waiting for. We must seize the opportunity.

The board must back Martinez to the hilt on this one and we have to bring the rafters down this weekend.

Oh how I relish the thought of Everton upsetting the apple cart of the Sky 5 and their cronies in the press.

Up the Blues - ramblings from a happy Evertonian.

Let us not forget

Laurie Hartley
67 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:13:18
Don't know where the "let us not forget" came from - I must have pasted it from something else.

Or maybe it was a mystic malfunction to make us think back to the fortunes of United, another of our rivals, after we sold our best player for a decade to them.

Ben Jones
68 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:14:07
I'd snap their hands off for £40 million. The only issue for me is his replacement. If we sold him, then signed Williams and someone else, whilst getting these attacking players, we'd be stronger for it.

We've got potentially 3 good centre backs coming through, Browning, Holgate and Galloway.

Accept the money if we have the time to spend it on the players we need this summer. And that would have to be 2 centre backs if he leaves.

Denis Richardson
70 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:17:25
I think we should all just wake up and smell the coffee - the kid is as good as gone and the whole 'he's not for sale' bit by the club is simply a (good) tactic for getting the maximum price.

Once an offer in the region of £35m+ is on the table a deal will be done and I can't imagine Stones not wanting to go. Who can blame him, he'll be going to the champions, playing CL football and will likely end the season with a medal or two -- far more than he'll get staying at Everton. People saying he won't play much are wrong imo. He may not start every game but Chelsea will play somewhere in the region of 55-60 games this season so he'll get a good 25-30 starts if not more, depending on the form of Terry and Cahill. Not far short of the playing time he'd get at Everton anyway.

All the media saying it's in his best interest to stay, look at the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair at Man City etc are also wrong. It's simply not the same scenario in this case. First of all Stones is a class CB, just a bit green. Secondly he's not being bought mainly for the home grown quota, he's being brought in as a long term replacement for Terry, i.e. he's being brought in to play and not make up the numbers.

From the lads perspective, football is a short career and you never know which options will come in the future. He may be able to leave next summer but if he has the option now - why not takt it?

From Everton's perspective, we lose a classy young CB who's only been at the club for 2 years and make a £30m+ profit which can be used to improve other areas of the squad. Some fans may not like it but that's life, players come and go. If the £30m brings in 3 quality players then our team is better as a whole (hopefully).

Personally it's a win win for the club. He stays, great. He leaves we get a massive amount of cash (all be it half of it will go to clear the Lukaku debt to Chelsea).

As long as we have the targets in place to sign should Stones be sold, then I'm okay with that.

Andrew Tomlinson
71 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:17:57
Hi, ToffeeWebbers... my first post here, after "lurking" for a while.

I was lucky enough to witness the great years (the '80s) first hand, but also the frustration of the post Heysel wilderness we have suffered.

I felt that I needed to have my tuppence worth on this John Stones situation. I think he will stay, for this season at least. And if he does eventually get sold, it will be on Everton's terms only, not because some big baby of a manager at Gazprom FC demands even more toys for his collection.

I say this, because of one man: Roberto Martinez. After the public pronouncements of "he's not for sale", it would be professional suicide on his part if John was sold. Roberto's position would simply be untenable and it would condemn our club as "also-rans" and make us look very small indeed. I know that the last few years (results, finances etc) suggest we already are "also-rans", but this squad of players, plus a few key additions, is the best squad I have seen since those heady days in the '80s.

Time to make a stand, Everton. Send a message to those parasites in the media and on the King's Road, that we will not be anybody's feeder club any more.

One final thought... let's give Chelsea and especially that "special" one a very WARM welcome next month.

Mark Tanton
72 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:24:49
We're on the YELLOW BAR now! Rejected again.
Joe McMahon
73 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:29:52
Sadly, I think he'll go, We can't offer Champions League football (or London life).

On another note, guys it's 2015 not 1977 with Benny Hill on TV. Can we please stop all the comments about the women, such as Richard (#49), I haven't heard the phrase 'fit' since I was at school in the 80s.

Gordon Crawford
74 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:31:25
If he goes, then the blame will lie with the muppets running our club. We should have had one or two big names in by now, and that would show the other clubs, that we mean business this year. We are only three to four players away from challenging the top teams consistently. Selling Stones would be a huge mistake. And as someone said previously, selling Stones would only add extra millions to the players we are looking to bring in. Lose lose situation if we sell.
Steve Jenkins
75 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:34:28
If Stones is sold in this window, then cue the protests! It will likely be the thing to swing a lot of those "undecided" about the board to "Kenwright Out".

Paul Mackie
76 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:39:29
I've said all Summer he's going nowhere and I'm sticking to that.

The player had said he's happy at Everton. He's not agitating for a move. Roberto has said he's not for sale. The only reason this story is rumbling on is because there's fuck all else to talk about transfer-wise.

If we were to sell him, then I'd be upset if we let him go for less than £60 million. Potential future England captain and a much better player than David Luiz or Raheem Sterling ffs.

David Chait
77 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:46:56
A lot of good things said, so to add my 2 cents at the risk of repeating some of it...

I'm going to leave out the emotional side here and look purely at this logically and economically. We cant do much with the money. Say we get £35m -- we are not in the CL so wont be able to buy another 35m player... so it means we dilute the cash to pick up say 2 minimum, but most likely 3 to 4.

I believe we have around £15 - 20m already in our kitty, so what? We are going to buy 5 or 6 players? Lets look at it. Going nowhere are Baines, Jags, Coleman, McCarthy, Barkley, Lukaku, Cleverley. That is 7 players RM will not replace leaving only 4 spots to fill with the windfall. That is clearly excluding Stones, who wouldn't need replacing if you don't sell him. So in fact you down to 3. Our kitty can give us 2 of them as is and there is no pressing need to push out Howard and a winger having just signed Deulofeu.

So what is the point?

I've said it before.. selling Stones will not win us the league or even get us into the CL any more than not selling him. We need 4 Stones worth of cash before we can think of toppling a bunch of teams milking it for years now with sugar daddies at the helm.

By selling players better than the top teams have, to the top teams, just continues this self fulfilling prophecy of the top teams using their cash to buy assets (players) to make more cash. There is a reason Chelsea will spend £30m on Stones but not £8m on Van Dijk... He is better!

So to break the ceiling you have to keep your better players and add to them as much as you can with players you hope will become players desired by the rich clubs. This means you are gradually closing the gap and trust me... with Stones, Barkley and Lukuka the gap isn't as big as you might think. Aren't we in it to win it, or are we happy to make up the numbers?

Andrew Ellams
78 Posted 18/08/2015 at 11:49:51
If I'm wrong and we do sell this window, I really hope it's not to Chelsea. Mourinho has started his poor me routine early this year and it's always amusing to watch.
Tom Bowers
79 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:02:35
The more Chelski push the more Stones is affected and the more Everton will consider regarding the ''big money''.

It's just human nature and also big business.

If Everton can hold out until the window closes then at least they can get a few more months of ''Stones's best''

It all comes down to the lad and his mindset regarding the bigger money and Europe etc. Ambition is a strong motivation when you are young.

He has burst on the scene relatively quickly but no player is irreplaceable and there are many comparable players around but with time running out, Everton could be left in a hole if he goes now.

Chris Aylward
80 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:02:47
Do we want to challenge for trophies or continue to sell off our best players and have cash in the bank for lesser ones?
Neil Monaghan
81 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:03:07
Sky reporting that we have turned down £30 million, well done Everton.
James Morgan
82 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:11:41
Third bid made, keep telling them, FUCK OFF!
Phil Bellis
83 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:17:31
Late to the party...

Think how painful it was/is to see Rooney at Man Utd, for older readers: Alan Ball at Arsenal

Rick Pattinson 14
"provided its spent on quality replacements" This is Everton

Ben Jones 58
"if we have the time to spend it on the players we need this summer" This is Everton

Brin Williams 36
Spot on about the camaraderie...
Jags to Seamus: "just twat it!"

Lukaku and Barkley: seem best of mates, so close Lukaku feels comfortable "pushing" him

Jags and Stones post-match - smiling and joking together; Stones' appears anything but "unsettled"

James Brand 48
Anything can happen, injury-wise, but this lad is like Bobby Moore with pace; the best I've seen at his age, up there with Ratters

Ben Jones 58
"if we have the time to spend it on the players we need this summer" This is Everton

And, Paul Kelly's Dad:
I know how he feels; I've not got over selling Bally
If we let this lad go for short-term profit, I don't think (to take a line from Mick Lyons) losing would hurt as much anymore

Matt Butlin
84 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:17:59
To be fair to Bobby, he's never sold unless he wanted to.

He seemed happy to let Fellaini go for £28million.

Oliver Molloy
85 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:19:56
David @ 63
Chris Sutton ( remember him! ) reckons that Van Dijk is better than Stones and Celtic should be looking at £20 million for him !
Peter Roberts
86 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:23:55
Glad to see we've stuck two fingers up at both the chavs and the Scum who carried the back page splash of an Everton Uturn and us selling for £35m.
Phil Rodgers
87 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:31:01
The self entitlement of their fans is extraordinairy. They just don't understand that we don't want to sell him. They are like spoilt brats. I wish nothing but pain and misery on all of them.
Derek Turner
88 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:34:08
Oh good, after a break of some months and a furious behind-the-scenes battle, funny Eugene has overcome his nemesis and alter ego, grumpy Eugene and returned to our pages.

On the Stones issue, the only problem is we don't know what Billy is thinking, but he is apparently a big fan of our club and manager and Roman is not in theatre (though his histrionic performing rouble monkey clearly is). Should be fun.

If we do end up selling, hopefully we screw the chavs royally and then allow Shiteh or LVG's "project" to gazump them one minute before the deadline with improved personal terms for the lad.

Charles Brewer
89 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:41:54
Why would John Stones want to go to a club already involved in a relegation dogfight? On points, Chelsea are already in the relegation zone.

More seriously, I suspect Chelsea is a seriously unpleasant place, with an arrogant manager whose career has been based on nothing but expensive acquisitions which he is happy to throw away as soon as they cease to perform. Chelsea has an enormous number of players out on loan, and I suspect that at least half the motivation for buying Stones would be to get the number of home-grown players up.

If Stones himself thinks he is as good as many of us do, he will do another year with Everton, and then head for Barcelona (with Martinez's blessing?) for serious fame and wealth. If he winds up at the no-class dump in west London, he'll be constantly replaced by the latest Brazilian / Spanish / Argentinian "star" he will have no certainty of success and he can be confident that there will be no team-building round him and his skills.

Mark Riding
90 Posted 18/08/2015 at 12:43:46
Jose has got form for going a bit wibble half way through a contract. He's Deffo cracking up.

Has someone sent him ' an open letter ' yet ?

Alex Higgins
91 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:02:04
If only we had John Stones the time "the money is ring fenced" was happening .The latest 30 million bid would have got us kings dock.
Liam Reilly
92 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:07:44
Whats annoying here is didn't that charlatan say that if RM said Stones was not for sale that would be the end of it. More horseshit; the guy is just boring now.

I suspect he'll only go if his head has been turned and he demands to go; which I hope is not the case. But if it is so; we should demand £50M off United or City and put it to bed; so that arsehole doesn't get his man.

Phil Sammon
93 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:15:10
I don't get it. I really don't get it.

How can any football fan want to lose a once in a generation player for a sum of money that none of us will ever see?

Tony Draper
94 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:20:28
In these days of speculation (i.e. fairy stories and bullshit) just what if Everton and John Stones do shrug off the slathering advances of Chelsea, the billions of Abramovich and the ever bloating ego of Jose ?

Well, I for one will laugh like hell !

We really are not in the situation where just because some swollen benefactor tosses a few bright groats in our direction that we have to hike up Ma Nobletts petticoats for their delectation.

The sheer pleasure that I would get from repeatedly sending them the self same letter would be as good a laugh as I've had from football since Wembley '95. The last occasion that I can recall when the smug drivelling tabloids already had their copy written and filed before most of us had started our journey south.

It does, however, lightly frustrate me that so many of our number on TW appear to dislike the media speculation, and then make their own postulations based upon this drivel. If you don't like the professionals doing it then surely you don't do it for free ?

John Atkins
95 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:21:16
Well the club seem to have made a their position to Chelsea loud and clear according to Sky ......

A senior official at Everton recently told Sky Sports News HQ that "the club have no intention of selling Stones and they have told Chelsea that twice".

Nandor Kovasznay
96 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:22:29
First of all, hello everyone! I'm new to the TW which I have been reading in the past 2 years.

There is something certain about (IMO) the John Stones saga. His head has not been turned yet from my point of view. It is simply based on assumption that looking at him on the pitch he seems happy playing alongside the lads.

My main argument is this so called 'charlatan' did his dirty tactic to sub John Terry on the weekend, pretending that there is room for John Stones if he goes. Stones seems to be reluctant to commit himself to sign for a Champions League club yet due to the lack of playing time. Mourhino does know this, therefore, he started to play his usual game turning the player's head because he is running out of time.

Another point, see what he did with Varane at Real Madrid. Only played him when it was 'necessary'. Although the lad is such a talent. Only my thoughts on this.

Scott Mongomery
97 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:24:10
Dear Gutter Press,

Can you please now stop talking about who Everton are going to sell and concentrate on who Everton are going to buy? Zlatan is available; please spend as much time trying to get Zlatan to Everton as you did trying to sell Stones to Chelsea. Or Coleman to Man United. Or Baines and Barkley to WhoTheFuckEver.

Seriously, our glorious manager and leader both agree each year that CL qualification is our target and yet they handicap us by tying this transfer window debacle to our gonads each and every year. We buy players with 3 games of the season already completed and by the New Year they are ready to function in the Premier League and as part of a cohesive unit. Unfortunately, by then, we are 17th and 15 points adrift of the likes of Stoke, Newcastle and West Ham. Cue a strong finish to the year, finish 7-10th and start all over again.

This growing impatience and anger regarding the lack of transfer activity has caused me to develop a hernia and a facial tic. If we haven't brought in someone decent by this time next week, a minor infarction is on the cards.

If the owners are using the extra Sky money to pay off debt or save for a major infrastructure project, then fine, say so... and let it be clearly listed in the annual accounts. Otherwise, Spend Some Frigging Money, Bill, before I spontaneously combust!!

Sam Hoare
98 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:26:18
Hmmm, like it or not, despite the sound bites, every player has a price. Unless BK is confident enough that the price will grow given another year...

He WILL leave at some point but I hope it's to Real Madrid/Barca/Bayern next Summer for £50m+

Nitesh Kanchan
99 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:27:17
I feel Stones going to Chelsea will depend on the Man City and Spurs result:

4 points from these 2 games will convince him to stay as we will be ahead of Chelsea going into deadline day and before Chelsea match.

0 points and he will be gone with no chance of UCL or Europa next season at Goodison Park with instability around the club regarding the Manager and Bill's position with protests and boos.

Chelsea surely look ready to go the distance for Stones as they are putting bids after bids. It will be £60M going into September. Mark my words...

Tony Abrahams
100 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:44:59
Just look at the type of character, Chelsea would also be getting. He's giving his all to Everton at the minute, plus he's keeping his mouth shut.

He might only be 21, but he seems like a very clever kid to me. On and off the pitch, Stones, seems to carry himself with class. I wouldn't sell him for £40 Million, no fucking way!

Jay Harris
101 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:46:19
Why would you want to sell your best players to a rival at any price.

Surely the object is to have the best players in every position.

You can only put 11 players on the pitch so why sacrifice quality for quantity.

The media should be asking Mourhino why he lied not how much Stones will go for.

Colin Grierson
102 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:47:18
It's not potential that Stones has its sheer class. The lad IS the real deal and therefore Chelsea are not the club for him. They are devoid of class and full of arrogance.

If WE don't progress enough as a team to keep Stones then he should go to one of the world's best teams. Chelsea don't fall into that category.

No way Jose!
Let's move on..

Christy Ring
103 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:51:49
He's irreplacable. If he's sold,it's back to the old days and Wayne Rooney all over again.

I'd fly 10 airplanes over Goodison Park if BK sells him.

Craig Mills
104 Posted 18/08/2015 at 13:55:01
Just been on Talk Sport with Andy Gray, he said he'd be amazed if Stones is still with us by the end of the window.
The figures discussed were more around the 35 to 40m with Gray saying Everton would have to sell if that were the case.
He also confirmed Barnsley get 15% sell on, not 10% as previously quoted
Ray Robinson
105 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:03:29
Just for once, I'd like the little guy to stand up to the bully and for us to tell Mourinho (or anyone else) where to shove their money.

From Stones's point of view, I wouldn't touch Chelsea. I don't think they're going to win anything anyway this season. Why play second fiddle to Terry, Cahill and Zouma - which he inevitably will? Why subject yourself to Mourinho's egotistical mind games? Yes, of course, money talks but how many Ferraris do you need to buy in one year?

Besides, the Not so Special One will be gone before long - when he's run out of players, referees and doctors to blame. Can't see him hanging around too long when things turn against him.

James Stewart
106 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:04:48
I have championed Stones as our best player last season and he is certainly an immense talent, however in my opinion there are only a handful of truly irreplaceable players in world football, Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero etc. Stones is replaceable and he is a centre back of which there are plenty of decent ones about. Browning was our best player in pre season and looked every inch as good as Stones. I am not advocating a sale here I am just trying to be realistic.

We have to be very careful. It would send out the wrong message to the likes of Barkley and Lukaku if we sell Stones and do not replace him with equal quality. That is the key if Martinez is serious about building something. Were we forced to sell I would want to see the likes of Yarmolenko, Dragovic and Van Dijk coming in. I don't think we would be any weaker on the pitch in that scenario. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but I can't see us turning down 40m which Chelsea will inevitably bid.

Sam Bull
107 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:15:23
We hold all the cards. If Stones wants to go, then you get as much as possible. 㿞mil up front.

All and sundry saying he will learn a lot at Chelsea!? I've never rated Terry (family are CFC season ticket holders); I watch them live more than EFC (I'm in the south and my son is CFC). I think Chelsea defense will learn a lot from Stones!

To sell now wouldn't be wise as stated above, we are then looking to replace an irreplaceable defender, and any defender would cost more because we are desperate.

I think most of it is BS paper talk. We don't (shouldn't) need the money.

Paul Andrews
108 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:15:53
In 12 months time John Stones will be sought after by a lot of the top clubs in Europe. He, IF he wants to go, will have the choice of Real, Barca, Bayern etc etc.

Stay where you are, son; keep on improving by playing every week and you will be the best centre-half in Europe in 12 months.

Joe Foster
109 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:16:03
Any Gray on talk sport saying Stones will defo go to Chelsea at the end of the TDD. He also stated that we need the money.
Stephen Brown
110 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:18:26
This has got to the point now where there is a lot more at stake than a transfer of a young talent!

There is a huge principle involved now whereby people's integrity is at stake. Whatever the bid is from now on we cannot sell JS. We would be made to look like the easy prey by the big bully predator! I don't want to go overboard but we owe it to all the other clubs to make a stand against the bully boy tactics of a Russian mobster and ego maniac manager! A few of my mates who support various other clubs have text me, spoken to me willing Everton not to sell!

It's gone too far now we must stand firm! Plus of course we need him and could never replace him adequately before September 1st.

John Jones
111 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:24:01
Made up that we are playing hardball with the Chavs.

Phil Sammon
112 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:26:45
He might be a legend as a player...but Gray is a complete dickhead - particularly when it comes to discussing Everton. He sees us as a plucky little side these days who should be happy with our lot.

The same goes for a lot of them really. It breaks your heart to see heroes talk about our club as if we're nothing. Or it would if I cared anymore.

When is someone going to point out that Everton have just had an astronomical TV deal land on their laps and have only spent £5M. Surely to god we do not NEED to sell our finest players.

Football is getting so frigging ugly.

John Jones
113 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:27:39
How does Andy Gray know we need the Money? I didn't know he was the FD at Goodison.

Brian Cleveland
115 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:31:29
The Sky report says:

A senior official at Everton recently told Sky Sports News HQ that "the club have no intention of selling Stones and they have told Chelsea that twice".

How about Everton do it in an open letter to Chelsea so everyone can see and the press can bugger off?

Ged Simpson
116 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:32:06
"we owe it to all the other clubs to make a stand against the bully boy tactics"

That is so so right Stephen.

A key moment...and for me, a key moment whether I will bother with PL football in the future. I also think a key moment for Chelsea... if they cannot by anyone they want ?

And for the pundits - oh my God !

Ged Simpson
117 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:34:44
Brian - you may se it is BK who is just saying No - not this time"

He'll get slated for that too no doubt

John Jones
118 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:41:21
Maybe the Sky5 are getting worried, Keep Stones and sign the 3 players that Martinez wants and we could be a real threat.

The media are going to hate that. wonder if that happens how many penalties we would get or have Off- side goals scored against us. Like the very strange one last night.

Ben Dyson
119 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:41:44
Regarding Andy Gray and other such pundits and journos: the media never let inconvenient things such as facts and the truth get in the way of the narrative they want to sell us.
Brent Stephens
120 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:41:45
Senior Everton official - "the club have no intention of selling Stones and they have told Chelsea that twice".

Problem with that statement is that it only says what it says - no intention - we don't intend to - no aim or plan to. It doesn't rule out a move.

Likewise "John is not for sale". My wife is not for sale - but if somebody offered enough...

RM- "not for sale under any circumstances" - ok, that's seems definite but let's wait and see. It could mean we give John to Chelsea and they scrub the Lukaku debt and give us another player (ok, I'm in an imaginary world). Thing is, I'm always looking for subtext and what is NOT said that leaves certain possibilities open.

Matt Traynor
121 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:44:49
Just to lighten the mood, if we do sell Stones and Ashley Williams is the answer: (credit to @treacadelic)
"Ashley Williams? Really? A man with all the positional sense of Stevie Wonder on a bouncy castle during an earthquake. At night. In a cave."
Ged Simpson
122 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:54:57
Brent - in the end they will back peddle on anything they say and Chelsea.

I just have a gut feeling BK and the Board have backed the manager on this regardless of price to send a message.

Wise ?

Well that depends on how we it always does

Ged Simpson
123 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:56:13
"Peddle ?
Tony Abrahams
124 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:57:34
Football fights back? If only!

Too many people in the game, keep saying Stones will go to Chelsea. Just as many people in the game keep saying Everton have got no money.

It won't take long to find the answer now, let's hope we get a pleasant surprise.

Mike Keating
125 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:57:48
Liam - he also said he wouldn't enter the transfer market after the season started. And I agree totally with Phil Sammon - if we sell any of our best players the money is ear marked for BKs retirement fund.
Ged Simpson
126 Posted 18/08/2015 at 14:59:26
"if we sell any of our best players the money is ear marked for BKs retirement fund. "

Just nonsense

Bill Gall
127 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:07:28
Why is it that if we sell Stones we are then supposed to have enough money to buy the three players we are supposed to be looking for, the funds were supposed to be there for their purchase already.

"DO" not sell young players unless they request a transfer, we are trying to build a younger squad and at the moment have some exceptional young players that will require high fees to replace them if sold.

The likes of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku are not young players who come out of youth development every day and must be kept to build a team and not sold to pay down debts.

Daniel Taylor
128 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:19:40
Phil @ 93 I completely agree, Andy Gray is a Twat, apart from taking any chance he ever gets to slag us off he is also slippy G's biggest fan none!!!
Mike Keating
129 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:31:35
Ged, if BK can't sell the club how will he get his investment back?
Whatever his critics say he has put money into the club and he's no billionaire.
If, however, we get a big bunce and RM gets it to improve the squad, I'll Polish Kone's boots.
Dave Arrow
130 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:38:15
The stakes have risen considerably for the Everton Board over these past few days. It started with the fly past and was quickly followed by Chelsea's defensive capitulation on Sunday.

Whilst I don't believe the NSNO protest speaks for the majority of match going Evertonians it has put the Board in the spotlight and if they are seen to roll over on this one it will provide further ammunition for the protesters to recruit waverers and could completely derail our season.

By subbing Terry, Mourinho has put a marker down that his place is not guaranteed and sent a message to his Board and to John Stones that there is room and need for new blood. This was quickly followed up by the increased offer.

It will eventually come down to the player because I do believe in this instance we mean what we are saying. Hopefully, John Stones and his agent will realise that a further season with us, in which he will play most games when fit, followed by a good Euros will give him more long term options. From the way he's handled the situation thus far I don't think Chelsea is the right fit for him in any case.

We don't need the transfer money to fund other in comings so my hope is that the Board holds its nerve and John Stones gets his head down and concentrates on improving as a player with us.

The Board is desperate for a win off the pitch to prevent the protests escalating. Keeping hold of John Stones will help.

Mark Riding
131 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:42:02
We should fly a banner over Stamford Bridge !
Jason Thomas
132 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:46:23
#Jay 85. Spot on. RM blueprint to get into CL is through development of young players. If we sell Stones, then that to me is breaking away from his philosophy. We are Everton Football Club. We have as rich a history as any of the last ten winners of the Premier League.

Yes, we don't have a billionaire, but very few clubs do. With the right young players and a mix of experienced winners, we CAN challenge for CL. Actually, why not the title in a few years. Our young stars remind me of Belgium. There's something special happening here, lads ,and selling Stones will be a backward step IMO.

Terry Downes
133 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:48:07
There's only one way to keep hold Stones and that's to start winning silverware! If we do, no-one will want to leave.
Raymond Fox
134 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:57:43
Like every Everton supporter and supporters from other 'smaller/less wealthy clubs' I want the club to tell Stones suitors to get lost.
It would do our image and standing a world of good.

Roberto will want to keep him I don't doubt that, he's always said he only wants players that have the right attitude and character.
What we don't know though are the views of young Stones or our esteemed owners, it seems to me that Chelsea for one will end up offering real silly money.

Galloway looks a lad to me that is destined to make a top player he has that maturity way beyond his years like Stones, and what about Browning!

James Elworthy
135 Posted 18/08/2015 at 15:59:33
I am firmly of the belief we will bring in one centre back, Yarmolenko, Austin, and Lennon and maybe only McGeady will go, an instalment towards Van Dijk maybe.

Yarmolenko would be the biggest signing for some time and he is a proven number 10 in Europe also.

The only people saying Stones wants to go are gutter rags like the Metro and the Star which are picked up by two bit websites and repeated over and over.
Ian Lloyd
138 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:12:43
Why don't we just give stones a new contract on 㿞k a week and put an end to this saga now?

I wouldn't sell John Stones for 40 million, no chance.
Dave Weston
139 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:15:50
If we sell we are going backwards. I believe the link here is a good starting 10 points of why we should not sell.

I would also think a lot of fans would tear up their season tickets too.
Anthony Flack
141 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:29:59
Brent 117 can you send a photo and how much you want.

Can I pay in instalments based on performance...

James 132 can I have some of what you're taking....

Drew O'Neall
143 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:44:50
Yarnolenko's a winger.
Mark Riding
144 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:47:37
Anthony, I'll out bid you on deadline day for Brents Mrs.
David Hallwood
145 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:48:18
What's missing from all this, in the social media obsessed world is noting in the twatosphere from the Stones camp agitating for a move to a 'big' club, or his agent or his dad or friends saying it's his destiny.

So IMO a move isn't imminent unless the chavs put a stupid offer on the table and te club accept it.

Terence Leong
146 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:58:08
As a person, Stones seems to be a lot more classy than Ferdinand. Rio has always come across as an arrogant person who is more keen with personal rather than team glory.

Much as Rio was lauded as a ball playing defender, Stones is far superior. Whenever I look at Rio's play, he does the occasional dribble, but he is nowhere in Stones' class, in terms of a ball playing centreback.

Rio was also prone to the lapse in concentration early in his career. What made him do well is how he organizes the defence, his positional play, his imposing frame which makes him hard to to knock off the ball, and of course his pace.

My point is that, Stones has all the potential to exceed all these in our team. Should he be sold, the frame of reference should be as expensive or more expensive that David Luis, Chelsea's ex-defender.

Brent Stephens
147 Posted 18/08/2015 at 16:59:38
Anthony #135 a packet of crisps and ten pints of Chang.
Mark #137 - if you want to outbid - it's a packet of crisps and five pints of Chang.
I won't offer a photo as I guess you already have one.
Kunal Desai
148 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:04:11
Andy Gray hasn't done anything worthwhile in his life since he finished his playing days. Just another washed up waste of space of so called pundit. Not worth listening to shite like him.
It's very simple tell Chelsea to fuck off 'John Stones is not for sale at ANY price', but ofcourse Everton have a price in mind which is why Chelsea keep testing the waters until they get nearer the asking price.
Mark Riding
149 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:05:04
Brent, does the Chang have to be cold ?
Anthony Flack
150 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:09:34
Brent - Ten pints of Chang - horrible stuff, ten pints of Pedigree then that's a different thing (she would have to be stunning and perform at least twice a week, not like these modern pros)

- oh for a pint of Pedigree from the Custom House in Chester (or at least how I remember it from the late 1980s).... I am stuck in a client reception sweating my arse off waiting for a client meeting.

Given how little any of us really know i.e. real facts, it is amazing how much we manage to write on the thing is for certain, the Clubs statements are quite clear, and quite difficult to climb down from without a near or actual disaster....

Brent Stephens
151 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:10:34
Mark, temperature not an issue as it goes down the sink just as well either way.
Brent Stephens
152 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:12:20
Anthony - ten pints of Pedigree then my wife can step aside for this stunning brunette.
Brian Abbott
153 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:12:34

Heres a well presented piece from Newsnow.

Says it all really. Chelsea have as much class as (insert answers here)

James Byrne
154 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:20:09
I wouldn't say Stones isn't for sale, of course he is, just like every footballer. What could be the case is that the lad doesn't want to play for a complete w****r like Mourinho. Chelsea and the special one have no class and that was made apparent last week when Jose ridiculed one of his own medical staff.

The only downside is that Stones may jump at the chance to play for either one of the two Manchester clubs, ie based on locality etc.

Mark Riding
155 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:21:10
These negoatiations with Brent are just how I imagine the Rooney deal went !
Jamie Crowley
156 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:25:35
Is anyone really worried about this?

For the first time in forever I don't believe we're selling. Even Baines I thought we'd cash in...

Hand on heart I don't see Stones leaving.

Brent Stephens
157 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:26:43
A slur on my character, Mark.
Bob McEvoy
158 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:27:44
It seems to me that it must be common knowledge within football that Johnny Stones himself has no interest in moving whatever Chavski's sponsotred journos say. Soon as there was any inkling that he wanted a transfer surely both Mancs and the Spanish big 2 would be in the frame.
Tony Dove
159 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:34:08
Stones in the Park every fortnight. You can't beat that.
James Marshall
161 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:39:49
Hang on a minute, Sky are saying the following: A senior official at Everton recently told Sky Sports News HQ that "the club have no intention of selling Stones and they have told Chelsea that twice".

But this is the third bid isn't it? Or did I miss a meeting?

From a quick scout round the Internet, I've read that Everton are refusing to comment on the this so called £30m bid, and given that this would be bid/rejection number 3, doesn't the above Sky quote have a whiff of bullshit about it? They even use the term 'recently' which harps back to the the rejection of the 2nd bid!

Mark Riding
162 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:43:24
James. Sky need to report sports news. 24/7. Nothing is happening transfer wise right now. If Utd play badly tonight they could fail to make group stages of CL. If this happens, I bet you a night with Brent's Mrs, that they " will be monitoring the Stones situation "
Drew Shortis
163 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:46:49
'Everton linked with Valencia's German international defender Shkodran Mustafi as a potential replacement for outgoing Stones. With the in demand centre-back's move to Chelsea now a virtual formality Roberto Martinez is lining up the ex-Everton prospect Mustafi as a replacement. It is thought that Everton have been scouting the 23 year old German for some time and have now sent a team to Spain to negotiate a fee, thought to be in the region of £11m. Mustafi was quoted as saying that "Goodison Park feels like home". All that now remains is for Chelsea and Everton to thrash out a fee for Stones. Sources close to the club believe Bill Kenwright is holding out for a bid of around£40m. Chelsea are desperate for a long term successor to John Terry after he was exposed for his lack of pace against Manchester City.'

The article above is some bullsh*t I just made up to illustrate how easy it is for these journalists to make up a reasonably convincing story based on hearsay and guesswork. Of course this is a big news story and it is natural we are all going to take a huge interested in the eventual outcome, but nothing we read in the papers should be taken seriously. Sources close to the club? Great line! Nobody is ever named as the source and if the story turns out to be pure fabrication the football 'journalists' are never held to account. All they care about is selling copy and getting web hits.

It can be entertaining but right now they are like a dog with a bone and won't stop until 6pm on the 1st of September. The same applies for the players we are linked with. As nobody at Everton talks about incoming transfers until they are doing their medical it's anyone guess what's going to happen between now and the 1st!

James Marshall
164 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:47:10
Exactly, Mark. It's just a re-hash of an old story painted up as new 'News'!

The thing is, there are things going on; Pedro has agreed personal terms with Man Utd and Otamendi is about to have a medical at Man City after the club agreed terms...

The problem is that those things are happening, and don't write half as much copy as pure speculation ;-)

Brent Stephens
165 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:50:45
Mark #154 "If this happens, I bet you a night with Brent's Mrs, that they will be monitoring the Stones situation ".
Mark, that sounds very much like spread (sic) betting.
Patrick Murphy
166 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:50:49
Mark if you win your wager you might be well advised to check your own stones situation as I hear that Brent is not the forgiving type.
Plato Stavrinos
167 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:52:36
My biggest concern is that Stones is on only 30K a week and Chelsea has probably offer 100K. Would you not push through a transfer for that amount of money??
If he stays Everton should give him a new contract worth at least 75K and put in a release clause of at least 50mil....
Mike Oates
169 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:53:55
Big dilemma here - Martinez is pinning our future on the young generation - Barkley, Stones, Galloway, McCarthy, Cleverley, Browning, Lukaku, Deulofeu, Holgate, being the foundation we base the rest around. Last year was a major blow on Martinez's journey and I suspect some of younger heads are wondering whether Martinez's plans are optimistic. What would have helped would be Kenwright & Co showing their commitment with some £30-40m already spent on quality additions not waiting until the last minute bargains on Sep 2.

The likes of Barkley being a "True Blue" will probably put his faith in the plan for this season, but Stones isn't a "True Blue" and sees a quicker route to the top and one which will undoubtedly also be far better financially for him.

I suspect he'll give Bob and Bill another week to demonstrate that cash will be supplied and further 2-3 quality purchases will be made. The longer that drags on then the closer Stones will come to ask for a transfer and once that happens he'll be gone in 24 hours. It will take a transfer request to appease Bob because of his no-sale stance.

I think the Chelsea game at Goodison in early September will be a real battle both on the field, in the dugout and unfortunately in the crowd. If Stones moves there is no way Mourinho can play him in that game, in fact I can see Mourinho having a barrage thrown at him (hopefully only verbal) .

Mark Riding
171 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:57:47
Mike, those players, if they grow together, can create one hell of a team !
Brent Stephens
172 Posted 18/08/2015 at 17:59:45
U21s play rs at Southport tomorrow (Wed) night at 7.00. Worth having a look at some of our other young lads. I should be free to attend.
Helen Mallon
173 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:04:38
James Brand and all the others who think Stones us an unproven player: codswallop. He is Beckenbeur and Bobby Moore rolled into one. He is miles better than Ferdinand and Terry, I bloody hate it, he will be Captain of England and he will preside over a tournament winning England team in four years time. He must not be sold, not unless he screams he wants to bloody go... then only for 𧴜 million.
Mark Riding
174 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:06:09
Helen, you had me nodding in agreement, until you mentioned England winning something.
Colin Glassar
175 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:13:07
Well done WBA and EFC for giving the finger to the two London clubs. Some of us would like to build a team rather than dream about what we would do will all those lovely millions.

It's really sad to see some people say take their money and buy Ashley Williams and/or Ryan Shawcross!! Jesus Christ that is so depressing.

Good article in The Guardian on-line, saying the player is settled and happy at Everton and has NOT expressed any desire to leave. So let the gutter press continue with their speculation and shit stirring and enjoy the show.

Andy Walker
177 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:18:30
I think Stones will go although he may be asked to make a transfer request to save Everton's face, 'well we couldn't keep home once he said he wanted to go'.

How can you stop an ambitious player joining a more successful team on 3 times more money, Champions League, Mourinho, title contenders, blah blah. Sad but reality.

James Marshall
179 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:23:36
I've been flipped this way and that over the summer - as of today I don't think he'll go this year. Maybe next year, but not this summer. Too many people will look like fools, and that includes the player, the manager, the board and the name Everton FC.

We don't need the money, Stones will be as good, if not better in a years time, everyone saves face, we get to stick it up the tossers from West London, and push Mourinho's words down his throat, the fans stays happy, our squad stays happy, and it's a win win for everyone apart from Chelsea.

If Everton sell I'll be stunned.

Ken Buckley
180 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:23:38
What I find interesting re this thread is that there have been over 160 posts about a story that says Everton reject £30mil bid for Stones. All media have the story yet nowhere at all is any official source quoted. Everton are quiet. Chelsea are quiet. Where exactly did this story come from. Who knows what and who told them? No one says. Our manager says he his not for sale, has he not told Elstone? and has he not told Chelsea or if he has then has Bill over ruled him because its most odd that someone is willing to keep coming back with offers for a player who has been described to them as not for sale.

Football is a murky world at the best of times and the more people comment and try to analyse it, the funnier it can become.

Just a straight forward official statement from Everton saying 'No sale' kills it and leaves it up to the player to do a Rooney,Fellaini or Lescott or just carry on. Then we get closure.

Still it keeps our club in the headlines and who knows that elusive billionaire might just think 'I will buy them as that Spanish fella has got some great young talent there.'

Never a dull moment with our lot. After a million years following them nothing phases me now.


Christopher Marston
181 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:35:49
Ken, I'm in complete agreement with you. However, if Chelsea have been told unequivocally that he is not for sale then surely thry are breaking some unwritten code of conduct between clubs - I don't know, perhaps there is a rule that states harassment of other teams players will be punished. To me, Stones should now be thinking about the minuscule amount of class Chelsea have. No history, just year upon year of being the school bully.
Chris Sillett
182 Posted 18/08/2015 at 18:42:34
I think Stones is the future captain of England (and hopefully Everton) and I would be absolutely gutted if he left....BUT if we sold him in the next few days for 㿏 million + and spent the money on a quality, international centre back to replace him and also brought in Yarmelenko, a striker and a back up CB then I could maybe live with it.

It surely wouldn't be like when we sold Rooney and bought Marcus Bent with the money, I think even Kenwright would accept there would have to be some big name signings with the money. I repeat I would be gutted to see Stones leave but if he stays for this season then he will likely leave next summer anyway (unless we finish in top 4!!).

Andy Walker
183 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:04:23
There would be no story if Stones had said unequivocally that he wouldn't move. That's not to say he will definitely move but he must be open to it.
Dean Adams
184 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:05:58
It is all about selling papers and keeping the viewers/listeners. Facts have little or no part to play in any of this.
Gavin Johnson
185 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:11:28
Andy - Why is John Stones open to leaving?? Just because he hasn't held a SPN conference to say otherwise doesn't mean anything. Have you seen any comments attributed to him saying he wants to leave in any of the stories written by Chelsea loving hacks??
Andy Walker
186 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:14:28
Dean, don't forget Chelsea have made an official offer so it's true. This is not a rumour.
Andy Walker
187 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:17:46
Gavin, I take the view that Chelsea wouldn't be offering 㿊m for him if they hadn't spoken to his agent to check he was up for a move, Chelsae are not a bunch of amateurs.

Plus, he's ambitious, he's already moved from Barnsley to a bigger club, do you really think he would turn down a move to the Champions and a three-fold pay rise?

David Hallwood
188 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:23:48
Andy (#171) that isn't plausible; don't forget, John Stones is a hired hand and he has little say, player power or not, in whether he stays or goes. Secondly, if he did come out and said "Everton 'til I die" and the board accepted an increased offer, he'd look a right tit -- hence the silence.

As it stands, he hasn't submitted a transfer request, or none of his people are talking up the move, so to my mind he's staying -- only start worrying if Fellani's dad adopts him.

Mark Robson
189 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:25:04
James @ 167, could not agree more with your comments. He's on a 5-year deal, playing great football with the Euros next year, his stock will only rise. We don't need to sell (we hold all the cards) and Everton, the board, the manager and JS come out of this with massive cred come September 1st.

The only losers are the 'average one' and the classless club that are Chelsea FC!

Gavin Johnson
190 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:25:57
Andy - I'd take the view that Chelsea are using tabloid hacks to cause a frenzy in an attempt to turn Stones's head.

Has it worked?! Has his head dropped like Lescott?! No. He's played exceptionally well and with a smile on his face. Hardly like someone who's mind is on playing somewhere else.

The lad will play for at least another season at Everton and then have a great Euros tournament for England.

Andy Walker
191 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:27:43
Just to add Gavin, Stones will be aware of the speculation, it is inconceivable that he wouldn't have discussed the situation with his agent. What's the first question that will be discussed, how about 'John do you fancy a move to Chelsea?' If Stones had turned around and said no way the this speculation would have died a death.
Brent Stephens
192 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:31:51
Andy #179, I can see the argument that he might / should have come out and said "not interested in a move", having spoken with his agent. On the other hand, saying nothing can also be a tactic to raise concerns on the part of your current club who might then go on to offer you a better contract. His agent might have advised him this way?
Andy Walker
193 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:34:31
Handing in a transfer request is the last resort for a player. They have no where to go other than move so it hardly ever happens. If a player formally asks to move but the 2 clubs can't reach an agreement on a fee then the player is fooked.

Much easier for a player to leave it to agents, and media to do the work for them and if the clubs don't agree a move the player can claim 'they never wanted to move from their current great club etc' and they are 'glad the speculation is over etc'. We all know it's bollocks but that's how it's played out many times in the past.

Gavin Johnson
194 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:35:12
Andy - I get the impression that Stones knows he's in a win, win situation. He loves it at Everton but should Everton accept a silly offer he'll move to the league champions. Baines was in the same situation when United bid for him, and said as much after the events played out.

Stones is only 21 and seems very well grounded and deserving of the character praise given to him by Martinez.

Andy Walker
195 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:35:52
I think that's a great point Brent, let's hope it's the case!
Andy Walker
196 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:38:20
Yes Gavin, I agree and again hope that's true, but I fear the worse.
Andy Crooks
197 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:40:56
Andy Gray is a nonentity pretending to be in the know. He proved himself to be an utterly ridiculous gobshite in the past and he just keeps on proving it.
Gavin Johnson
198 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:41:26
Andy - I know you want Stones to be sold, having said we should bite Chelsea's hand off for £30M on another thread, but if he is to go it will be for a lot more than that figure.

Chelsea are desperate and know they'll have to pay the true value of £40M+ because Stones won't hand in a transfer request.

Brent Stephens
199 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:41:41
Andy, yes if we pay him more to keep him, we only need to sell a few more Chang. I know a guy he might be buying a few pints!
Gavin Johnson
200 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:44:34
Andy Gray is a complete and utter gobshite! I'm glad we swerved having him as manager all them years ago. Anyone who screams like that when Stevie G scores a goal isn't an Everton man.
Andy Walker
201 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:47:26
Gavin, don't forget the context of my comment was if he club was ultimately prepared to sell him then sell him at that time ie 2 weeks ago, leaving us enough time to get In replacements.

My point was don't sell him at the 12th hour when we have no time to get in considered replacements. I fear we are getting too close to the deadline and we'll let him go right at the end, which is exactly what I didn't want.

Frank Crewe
202 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:49:05
According to the Echo they'll go to £40 million. If they do we should say "Did we say £40 million? Sorry we meant £50 million." and so on until they stop bothering us and the not so "special one" is left with egg on his face.

I would also point out what a talent Stones is. At these kind of prices they could have just about any CB on the planet yet they persist in trying to sign Stones.

Andy Mack
203 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:54:25
Rumour for SSN to take up with and run. Stones to Man Utd in sensational Rooney swap deal. I find it hard to believe a player of Stones's quality has only one team on his tail.
Ross Edwards
204 Posted 18/08/2015 at 19:55:29
If we sell it's suicide as far as the board are concerned especially considering the atmosphere around the club and the protests that are planned.

Kenwright won't sell.

Craig Mills
205 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:04:18
Andy @ 166, I agree with you and I think it will play out that way, Everton can stand firm, but if, and only if he hand in a request, then Everton should negotiate the best deal, probably (up to) £34M in my view. I don't think they will get any more for him, and it was also mentioned on the radio that Barnsley get 15% of the fee, not 10% as often mentioned.
Tony Abrahams
206 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:08:04
Ken that observation was right up there with your match reports, to me
Peter Morris
207 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:13:39
I think it is touch and go this one. One factor has certainly been removed. I have no doubt we sold Rooney when we did because the banks were leaning on the club big time. That pressure has now largely gone. That said, we are no more likely to be winning silverware than we were 12 years ago, so ambitious players will always look elsewhere.

I am encouraged by JS's attitude and demeanour so far, both on and off the pitch. He is carrying himself very well, unlike Lescott. I think he is an honourable lad and the fact that he signed a long term contract less than 12 months ago will matter to him, as it should.

I expect the club have asked him to give us time, possibly this season and next after which we will co-operate with a move if he wants one, and he will still have big transfer value to us if his progress continues. By that time, Chelsea may be off the scene, and who would regret that, I hate this classless rabble.

I think it's in John's hands. If he makes a big play to go, then I think the club will engage with the chavs, but I think John will be making a big mistake.

Drew Shortis
209 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:34:15
Just seen this interview with Steven Naismith about Stones:

I doubt Naismith is privy to all of the goings on at the club, certainly not at the boardroom level, but if he had got wind of any discontentment from Stones or strong rumours that we were selling then I very much doubt he would have come out with this kind of statement.

For me the penny has dropped after reading some comments by Evertonians on the Chelsea Holt End (?) fan forum. We can't hope to match the top teams spending power and any money we receive from selling could only be used buying inferior centre backs. They may be decent replacements, but they wouldn't have Stones potential to be great.

If we ever hope to win trophies again our only chance is to keep hold of the likes of Stones and Barkley and add to them with more prospects from our youth teams or by buying up rough diamonds like Holgate, Garbutt, Henen etc... Of course not every young prospect will develop in the same way as Stones, but some will and if we can keep this core of talent at Goodison and add to them year on year we might just get back to where we belong. Selling our brightest stars and replacing them with mediocrity won't work.

Now we have the TV money we can finally stand firm and start to build a team. I believe this was Martinez's plan coming in as he knew there wouldn't be enough in transfer funds to go out and buy the finished articles. That's not to say we can't spend on key positions, but the core of the squad needs to be developed via the youth team and carefully selected talents who will buy into the philosophy because they know they will be given an opportunity at Everton.

Bob Hannigan
210 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:43:56
In my mind, selling indicates a weakness, almost to the extent of waving the white flag. We are NOT the farm system to Man Utd, Chelsea or others.

I'm not fully aware of the finances, however, I would imagine with all the TV money knocking around BK shouldn't need the cash.

John Gee
211 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:50:52
Maybe John Stones should consider the absolute fact that Mourinho is willing to scapegoat even his most trusted and loyal disciples. That doesn't bode well for an excellent young player learning his trade. Also, the Machievellian way he goes about his dubious business should set alarm bells ringing in any player in his sights.

The biggest reasons JS shouldn't move to that shower are:

1. Jose is antagonistic, is losing support within the club and very likely not going to finish the season as Chelsea manager.

2. JS is on the upcurve into the England squad. He won't replace Cahill, Mourinho won't drop Terry long term and JS could find himself at right back, at best.

3. There is a big rumour going around that Mourinho's agent has already held talks with Bayern Munich. This is not a stable club. It's a capricious entity buoyed by mafia finance.

4. Maybe they'll offer £200 grand per week but it'll cost your soul.

Colin Metcalfe
212 Posted 18/08/2015 at 20:53:07
Andy (#175), I could be wrong but isn't it illegal to approach a player either directly or through his agent whilst he is under contract? Any dealing must be made through the club who own the contract .

Of course Chelsea have been using underhand tactics to unsettle the player by way of the media but have they gone as far as "tapping him up"? ...... To be honest, nobody knows apart from those directly concerned but, the way Chelsea have conducted themselves, it certainly would not surprise me.

Tony Draper
214 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:03:59
Drew @195 thanks for the link.

Naisy certainly doesn't look like someone reading from a prepared script, in fact quite the contrary he seems relaxed and genuine.

Andy Walker
215 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:04:31
Colin, it won't be illegal ie it's not a criminal offence, but it might be against football's rules, I honestly don't know. But if Chelsea have made a bid to EFC then Stones and his agent will obviously discuss it and his agent would let Everton know what his client ie Stones', view is. So not sure it makes any difference.
Steve Carse
216 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:08:18
The Stones saga is very reminiscent of the Rooney saga. Particularly as in both instances there was a disconcerting silence from the player himself. Surely the whole issue would be dropped if Stones himself was to announce he was staying put. But he hasn't.....
Andy Walker
217 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:10:12
Just my opinion of course Colin.
Alex Kociuba
218 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:10:28
Kenwright should issue a public 'cease and desist' letter/notification to Abravomic.
Tim Barford
219 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:12:46
Credit to David Moyes, the board and the background team that signed John Stones, whether he stays or he goes, either way its a massive result for Everton FC.
Colin Gee
220 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:22:45
If Chelsea desperately want an Everton Centre Back, they could have had both Distin and Alcaraz for free....
John Crawley
221 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:24:43
Steve it's nothing like the Rooney situation. For a start Rooney had refused to sign a new longer contract, Stones signed a five year deal last year. Rodney's agent was planting stories in the echo to put him in a bad light and it caused a rift with Moyes because Rooney blamed Moyes for the leaks. Then there was the bid from Newcastle for Rooney which was made as a favour to Stretford to start the ball rolling.

It's not for the player to come out and say anything. He's acting in a very professional way like Baines did. What Everton should be doing is having words with Stones's agent to improve the terms of his current contract.

Alan Bodell
222 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:26:21
Up till this season I sort of liked and laughed at this Portuguese with all his swagger but boy, what a difference a few weeks make.

He won't understand the words 'not for sale', belittles his medical staff seriously then was on a magic mushroom cocktail watching his £m's bettering a team that fucking battered them from the first minute.

What a fucking fool he has become.

Steve Carse
223 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:32:22
John (204), yes there was a sideshow going on during the Rooney saga but it was the case that the player himself said not a word and many supporters read that as meaning the story was all guff and he was staying. You've got to recognise we have a very similar situation here.
Colin Glassar
224 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:33:15
Following the media circus there are two completely opposing views today Matt (Dopey) Lawton, Chelsea fan, in the Telegraph is basically outlining the steps Stones now has to take to "force a move" as Jose is desperate for him.

Neil Ashton (good journo) from the daily fail is saying Mourinho is getting hysterical as he thinks his Czar will not sanction a higher bid than £30m and poor Jose is in a strop.

Even the chav fans are starting to say enough is enough and they need to move on. Are you listening Jose?

P.S. anyone else see the pic of JS mucking around with his Everton team mates today? No strop there.

Simon Berrey
225 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:36:00
I know it's a bit "out of left field" but has Stones really considered this Chelski thing fully?

Mourinho starting to make misjudgements; a slow start to this season coupled with a limp to the line at the back end of last season; a distinct lack of youth coming / being encouraged through; questionable success in the transfer market; top players underperforming and a lack of quality back up behind their first 11.

Are you really sure this is the right club for you John?

On another note. I don't suppose Brent's Missus can play CB? Surely can't do any worse than Alcaraz...

Dave Lynch
226 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:40:41
Easy way to solve this.

Martinez to speak to Stones. " John, do you want to leave for Chelsea? Because if you do we are not selling for less than £40 million, if they do not match that then you are staying sunshine."

Stones... " Yes I do"... Or... "No I don't boss, I wanna stay at Everton."

Then you call a press conference and tell all and sundry where the player and the club stands.

Have Stones attend the press conference and tell everyone what his position is.

Then kick that Portuguese twat in the bollox either way. Big money or Fuck off you odious twat.

John Cartwright
227 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:46:38
I am struck so many on here dream of how we could spend the proceeds of a Stones sale on Players X, Y and Z.

To me, we can buy whoever, but until we have a proper business plan in place, sensible proposals for a redeveloped Goodison Park or a new ground, and in charge of our own commercial activities, it will all remain a dream. We need a root-and-branch reform of the club, starting with finding real investment and getting shut of this board.

Alan Bodell
228 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:46:54
Moyes and his scouting staff may have made 1 blunder with Krøldrup (but he shone at Fiorentina when he left us) but this lad Stones and Seamus were absolute steals under his watch.
Tony Abrahams
229 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:49:17
Thanks for that Colin 207, it's easy to get a bit lost reading these articles.

I hope I'm wrong but it looks like we are just trying to push the price up, to me.

Call a press conference, and sit Stones next to our new signing from Kiev!

Petet Henry
230 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:49:57
Yes, £40 million may seem a lot of cash but... if you lose Stones, you lose every young player with potential...

But by keeping Stones it sends a very clear message to every player at the club, every 'Sky' club and more importantly to future transfers: We are building for the future. Perhaps we're not a threat yet but we will be again.

If we sell Stones, we may as well change our name to Southampton!!

Lewis Barclay
231 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:54:39
If we don't believe that there is a small chance of Champions League qualification by keeping our best players then what hope is there left at all?

Stones, McCarthy, Barkley and Lukaku are the backbone of a solid squad that have the potential to win silverware. Keep them fit. Keep them at Goodison.


John Ford
232 Posted 18/08/2015 at 21:54:59
David Luiz...£50 million. How funny.

No really, David Luiz £50 million. It's still funny.

Brian Wilkinson
233 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:01:51
A big if, but Sunday's result could be massive for the future of Everton and John Stones.

If we can pull off a result against Man City, we have one hell of a strong arm to counter attack any Chelsea bid.

Winning Sunday could see Stones remain an Everton player; if not, Everton have Chelsea by the balls for a much larger fee.

Sunday will be our biggest game, with so much at stake should we win for players coming in or remaining at Everton.

Win Sunday Everton and kick start our future.

Christy Ring
234 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:04:24
Everton will be the big winners by keeping Stones. If Chelsea up their bid to £40m, how much of that will we receive.

1) Barnsley Will get £4m/£6m
2) We still owe Chelsea most of the Lukaku fee.

Tony McNulty
235 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:04:57
Every time I look at this story the price goes up.

Maybe the best way for Abramovich to get Stones would be to buy ... Everton. After all, if the price keeps on rising and rising he will eventually reach the Board's magic figure.

Just trying to be helpful, honest.

John Crawley
236 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:08:14
Steve, Rooney had just turned down a new contract, which was a clear indication that he wanted to go. Then after the initial bid from United was turned down Rooney put in a transfer request!!

In short your comparison is a load of bollocks!

Colin Gee
237 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:10:00
Christy, trying to remember how the Lukaku fee was structured, it's quoted we paid £28million for him, but Kenwright didn't actually write a cheque out for £28million!
Seem to recall it was £14 million up front, then a payment of £7 million this year and another payment of the remaining £7 million next year? Or something like that.
Gavin Johnson
238 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:16:34
Colin - the eventual fee for Lukaku is unlikely to rise beyond £23M. £5M of the £28M is supposedly on a Champions League clause that we pay if we finish in the top 4 during his contract. So on current form that's highly unlikely to happen.
John Aldridge
239 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:35:27
So now Maureen is apparently waiting to see if Stones puts in a transfer request? Surely this has now gone beyond "tapping up" to the point of breaking rules? It just goes to show, you can have a billionaire owner and buy any players you like - but you can't buy class.

Be careful what you wish for everyone who wants Kenwright out - would you like us to become the Mersey Rentboys with a billionaire owner?

Over to you can stay and become an Everton legend - or become an overpaid bench warmer with the Russian Rentboys.

Steve Carse
240 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:37:40
John (218), and Stones might likewise eventually put in a transfer request....
John Aldridge
241 Posted 18/08/2015 at 22:37:45
Oh yes, almost forgot.....was it Merson who suggested Stones is better off learning from Terry? What? You mean the Terry that was hauled off at the weekend because he was bleeding awful? Yup, that makes sense.
Jon Cox
242 Posted 18/08/2015 at 23:08:38
Can't wait for the game at Goodison.

Memorable occasion, or what? Jose, keep your arms and legs in the vehicle at all times.....

Vijay Nair
243 Posted 18/08/2015 at 23:12:53
Yes Jon, I hope Lukaku let's fly and sends a rocket in the direction of Mourinho's face!
Steve Durham
245 Posted 18/08/2015 at 23:49:37
**Open Letter To Mr Mourinho**

Dear Jose,
Fuck off you eternally whinging fuckknacker! Stick your dirty millions up Roman's arse.
Kindest Regards
Everton F.C.

Andy Crooks
246 Posted 19/08/2015 at 01:02:03
Colin, good post # 210. Keeping Stones will place Everton as a club with aspiration and ambition. In my view that is worth a lot financially. It will give the coach belief that he is building on a proper foundation and,best of all, it will tell Chelsea and their raving toddler coach that you don't always get your own way.

Keeping Stones would be a victory for what, just about, stands for sanity and fairness in the shite cauldron of the premier league.

James Wong
247 Posted 19/08/2015 at 01:02:28
It's pretty obvious Everton are going to sell Stones in this window now that a third bid has come in. The Martinez quips about not selling the player are just a front to squeeze more money out of Chelsea. The real dealmakers here are Bill and Roman.

£40M is a fair amount. How many players got higher than that? Di Maria, Sterling, Torres, Ronaldo, Bale?

Colin Metcalfe
248 Posted 19/08/2015 at 01:21:14
The difference is James BK is a massive Evertonian and for all his pitfalls he would love to see Everton successful again.

Yes, he sold Rooney... but that was out of necessity. Unless Stones puts in a transfer request, it ain"t gonna happen!!

Craig Fletcher
249 Posted 19/08/2015 at 01:58:04
I like Steve's open letter (230). Best open letter I have read for ages.
Hugh Jenkins
250 Posted 19/08/2015 at 07:44:08
James (232). It is not "obvious" at all. What is obvious is that Mourinho won't take "No" as an answer and that the sycophantic press will invent and contrive all manner of misleading stories to suggest either that Everton will sell or that Stones wants to go.

I have said in earlier threads, I believe that RM has sold a dream to the youngsters at Everton and that they have all bough into it. Over the last two seasons, we have seen many of our young star names sign 5-year deals to stay at the club -- not 2, or 3 or 4 year deals mark you - but 5 year deals.

I believe, and I think RM and the young players believe, that we are building something at Everton that money can't buy. That is a team that is a "team" the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. A team that plays together and plays for each other, honed over several seasons to know each other's games inside out and which, in two or three seasons, can be as good as any collection of multimillion pound purchased players that are brought together at any given time by any other side.

Stones is an integral part of that dream and that team and that is why he is not for sale at any price and that is why he will stay -- because he believes in what is happening at Everton.

Brian Porter
251 Posted 19/08/2015 at 08:21:02
Now the Guardian reports that Chelski are considering coming back with a 㿔m bid. What part of 'not for sale' do those morons not understand?

I was impressed that we rejected their bid of 㿊m instantly, which does tend to indicate we mean what we're saying as a club. No thinking about it, no hesitation, just a simple rejection, but those morons don't seem to understand plain English, and are also so arrogant they can't understand anyone actually standing up to them and rejecting their Russian millions.

I think if we were to cave in now, even to a bid of, say, 㿞m, it would destroy us as a credible football club, reducing us to a feeble ghost of the great club we were not that long ago. I have a feeling the other clubs in the Premier League are watching us closely, willing us to hold firm against any and all boss for Stones, making a statement that the bug money clubs can't just bully other clubs out of their best players whenever they feel like it.

The Premier League really needs to look at introducing legislation to prevent the kind of tapping up Chelsea have used in this case, which has been nothing short of blatantly attempting to incite a player to break his contract with his employers, and ensure future dealings between clubs for players not on the transfer list are conducted in private, to prevent the media circus that this case has turned into.

Hopefully, the manner in which they have conducted themselves might have told John Stones one or two things about the club. Mourinho is possibly the most arrogant man in the PL, and needs taking down a peg or two. Let's hope we're the ones to do it.

Peter Morris
252 Posted 19/08/2015 at 10:02:06
As I posted yesterday, and following on from this morning's press round-up, I am now convinced that the next 10 days will hinge on whether John Stones blinks or not. If he and his agent decide to publicly air an aspiration for him to move to that despicable 'club', then I think battle is lost.

I suspect that JS is torn. He is clearly a level-headed and balanced lad. What's it to be John? You know the regard you are held in a Goodison. Don't take us to the wire please.

㿔m in the bank, but with only one senior centre-half until January at least is no service to this club that has given you the start in life you craved. Stick with us. It's the best club in the country by a mile and you can become a true icon here.

Tom Evans
253 Posted 19/08/2015 at 10:08:53
Just as an aside to many posts on this topic, by all accounts it is twenty years ago today that the greatest goalie Scotland never had, Alan Hansen, uttered those immortal words: "You will never win anything playing kids".

Wouldn't it be nice if this current core of youngsters in our squad could somehow get close to the success of that squad of players?

Declan Martin
254 Posted 19/08/2015 at 11:02:54
I'm with Steve (230)
Richard Reeves
255 Posted 19/08/2015 at 11:15:02
Ross (#192) I agree except for the "Kenwright won't sell" bit and said as much in an earlier post.
Ernie Baywood
256 Posted 19/08/2015 at 11:29:33
Sick of most of the media stuff and speculation now. Whether it's about Chelsea or whether it's about Everton 'standing firm'. None of that really means anything - the idea that he's not for sale is so clearly wrong. He obviously has a price... we just don't know what it is.

The only part of this that I like is the current stance of Stones himself. So far he's been immaculate - just keeps on playing to a high standard. He's one of the coolest customers you could ever see. I hope he maintains that and I hope we keep him because he's an impressive young man.

Brian Porter
257 Posted 19/08/2015 at 11:40:34
Maybe Chelsea have a similar fan forum to TW. Maybe we should go over there and bombard them with copies of John's (#230) open letter!
Peter Mills
258 Posted 19/08/2015 at 13:17:10
Ernie #240, I agree with your post, and agree that John Stones seems an excellent character. Unfortunately the script usually turns out to be that the selling club do a bit of posturing, "force" player to put in a transfer request, club say "we can't keep an unhappy player", and off he goes.

I will be delighted if I am wrong.

Mark Riding
259 Posted 19/08/2015 at 13:27:27
Chelsea just gazumped UTD for Pedro. Roman got his cheque book out after the weekend. Hold onto your seats Blues.
Brent Stephens
260 Posted 19/08/2015 at 13:33:33
WOW, Pedro to Chelsea. Chelsea now more or less interested in Stones? Money no object, so presumably no less interested.
Matt Traynor
261 Posted 19/08/2015 at 13:50:23
Mark #243, Brent #244, plus they just signed that Baba Rahman dude, and this after Mourihno said last week the window was closed for him.

You mean he lied? Is there no integrity left anymore?

Good job UEFA all but abandoned Financial Fair Play... wonder if the Premier League will do anything?

Mark Riding
262 Posted 19/08/2015 at 13:53:16
Matt, this leaves a few of theirs surplus to requirements. Just wait for the £35m and Victor Moses bid..
Peter Morris
264 Posted 19/08/2015 at 14:53:38
Peter (242),

I agree, and if it pans out that way, just watch the fan's vitriol turn onto the board as we are left high and dry short in a key position why they lock themselves away counting the money.

Only decent thing that would come out of this is that Barnsley would get a much deserved windfall.

Helen Mallon
266 Posted 19/08/2015 at 15:16:07
Alan Bodel 214, Moyes only got Stones because Everton were a bigger club than Wigan as Roberto was about to sign him as well.
Denis Richardson
267 Posted 19/08/2015 at 15:23:36
Does anyone really think we would reject a bid of £40m if it came?

Even after giving Barnsley their 15% that would still leave us with £34m (wiping out the amount owed on Lukaku plus about £15m of cash in the bank).

Brian Hill
268 Posted 19/08/2015 at 15:34:09
This just posted by the Shareholders Association. Stones doesn't look like a man about to jump ship:

Gavin Johnson
269 Posted 19/08/2015 at 15:36:08
Denis - I think the fee will be around £40M if Stones is sold. We could do a lot with that money but we'll easily get it next summer so I hope we can enjoy watching Stones in the blue shirt (not Chelsea blue) for at least another season.
Richard Reeves
270 Posted 19/08/2015 at 15:42:15
What do they say down in London? Jog on.
Stephen O'Donnell
271 Posted 19/08/2015 at 16:17:07
Stonesy please come out and sign for life at the mighty Everton. We would all love that... do one Mourinho, you Colombo looking arsewipe.
Tony Marsh
272 Posted 19/08/2015 at 16:55:12
I would like Stones to come out and say something now. Fair enough if the lad wants to go then get a massive fee for him. Don't sell under any circumstances unless its 㿔+ million.

We don't have a pot to piss in and we need money but after we give Barnsley a few bob, will Chelsea demand to knock the Lukaku money off this sale price? Can they do that?

Colin Glassar
273 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:08:36
Saw that Brian. I also saw a photo of him messing around with some of the other players. These photos will never be shown in the media.
Mark Riding
274 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:09:36
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Mark Riding
275 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:10:30
Well, let's show them here then Colin x
Colin Glassar
276 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:26:35
Looks gutted doesn't he?
Jon Cox
277 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:49:13
What a lovely lad.

I'll bet his mum and dad are so proud. I would be if he was my son.

Mark Riding
278 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:51:21
If he dosen't want to leave, it would be a disgrace if he was made to.
Jon Cox
279 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:58:02
Mark, if that was the case it would be armiged, armagedo I just cant spell the word.

Never mind, it's not the end of the world is it? :-)

David Hallwood
280 Posted 19/08/2015 at 18:59:28
How do you add an image to comments?
Paul Clarke
281 Posted 19/08/2015 at 19:04:17
If PSG came along and offered David Luiz as a straight swop for John Stones, would we jump at it? I think not. So there's his market value: £50 million + .
Jon Cox
282 Posted 19/08/2015 at 19:08:00
Paul, totally agree,

But if we're going down this road, then after this season, and an England Euro,

I'll be happy to sell and build a stadium with the proceeds.

Colin Glassar
288 Posted 19/08/2015 at 19:59:20
Chelsea can have Holgate for £20m
Stephen Brown
291 Posted 19/08/2015 at 20:02:11
Raymond I wasn't suggesting he was, wish him nothing but success. There was an element of tounge in cheek to my comment!
Jon Cox
292 Posted 19/08/2015 at 20:51:16
Thanks guys, I was well worried.

But I came back from this,

It's music but don't worry, guys like me, still LOVE Everton xx

Chris Wilson
293 Posted 20/08/2015 at 23:08:42
We have now entered the final stages of the Chelsea media propaganda push. From the Mirror's "Football Spy" (a dubious source if there ever was one), has now announced the not so surprising story, that the "unsettled" John Stones will be handing in his transfer request to push through his move to Chelsea. I feel dirty just having typed this out.
Colin Glassar
294 Posted 20/08/2015 at 23:57:53
How low can you get now? As Chris wrote, super football writer, "football spy", is saying JS will hand in a transfer request to get his move to Chelsea over the line. How fucking lower can you get then this? Darren Lewis you need to be a man and put your name to this you piece of shit.

Now they've stooped to using pseudonyms? Now they are even too ashamed to put their names to this? Where is the law of the land? Isn't there any decency left anywhere? The same people who hacked our phones, who constantly print lies, distort the truth, hide behind "unnamed sources" etc....want us to believe this type of garbage? I think it's now time for EFC to start seeking legal advice.

Phil Rodgers
295 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:04:07
The media has been an absolute disgrace regarding this, the worrying thing is even if he stays we are going to have to go through this every transfer window until they get their way. Depressing the fuck out of me.
Jim Lloyd
296 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:17:13
Colin, who's this Gobshite Darren Lewis and whats his angle on all this. Is he a "reporter" or a so called pundit?
Whoever he is, he's a right royal gobshite.
Petet Henry
297 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:21:22
John Stones has done non of the following 'unsettled' players do

- refused to train/play
- given interviews about playing champ league
- said his head is not 100% to play
- got his agent to talk shit in the media

He has

- played with 110% commitment in every game
- not put in a transfer request


The unsettled shit the press keep going on about is geared towards unsettling him...we can sell anyone but stones is the line in the sand...we as a club and for the goid of the non sky 4/5 teams...can not cross not because he is the future of this club but on moral grounds

For the good of the game and this club say No! No ! No...hes not for sale

Colin Glassar
298 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:25:28
Chief football writer for the Daily Mirror, Jim. He's the one who started this a few weeks ago but who recently has gone into hiding by the looks of it.

They are using The Sun or Daily Star as their "source" on this particular one but, as they tend to pool their resources and hunt in packs, it's the chief correspondent who has to okay this before it's published.

Jackie Barry
299 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:31:09
Well if he truly does ask for a transfer we will have to respect that unfortunately. Shame because I feel we could be building something special at Everton. In the end though a player doesn't make a team and if true he doesn't want to be here.
Andy Crooks
300 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:43:09
I doubt the admirable Stones will hand in a transfer request. If he should, we turn it down.
Steve Jenkins
301 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:43:20
Really hoping this isn't true, as others have said lowest of the low journalism either way.

If it is true they could at least let him officially do so before reporting.

If it is true, I'd tell JS (as Roberto), I can't afford to lose you this summer - it's too late in the window & Chelsea should have come in for you with a serious offer earlier in the window, instead of this derisory £20 m bs they started with, so you can blame them.

You're the second most senior CB we've got, it's too big a risk to let you go now. You can go not summer provided someone meets our valuation.

Chris Wilson
302 Posted 21/08/2015 at 00:58:47
I wouldn't start drinking the "now Stones is handing in a transfer request" kool-aid just yet. The newspaper stories have been harping about ultimately needing John Stones to file a Transfer Request from the very beginning.

In their "not so subtle messages" to John Stones (basically every story they've been writing), the authors admitted that Everton held all the cards in this scenario, but if Stones were to put in a transfer request; that obviously would change the playing field in Chelsea's favor.

"Stones" and "file a Transfer Request" has popped up much more frequently in the last few days too, so this shouldn't be seen as a surprise. This is Chelsea starting to sweat a little bit, in my opinion. This was supposed to have been done by now.

Mike Galley
303 Posted 21/08/2015 at 01:20:41
I know I should know better, but the behaviour of the media with regards to any potential John Stones transfer has annoyed me. We all know that they are lazy, ill informed, click baiting hustlers, but I've an idea. I'm not on twitter, but would it be possible for an Evertonian who is to e-mail Darren Lewis, for example?

Explain to him that we're curious as to where this 'unsettled Stones' story comes from and that his reply will be placed on twitter. I understand that it is on the laughable football spy, but surely he must take some responsibility for this?

Dick Fearon
304 Posted 21/08/2015 at 04:28:09
What a despicable creature Mourino is turning out to be. He holds no respect for Everton in which case we should screw him for every possible quid.

Tell him it's £50M or no deal. By season's end, John Stones would be worth more than that.

David Chait
305 Posted 21/08/2015 at 06:14:13
I spent a considerable amount of time looking at possible replacements yesterday if this £40M comes in. I mean... would we really turn down £40M?

I have said before we can't spend the money, but let's say we have it... So I tested this and spent some time looking at Transfermrkt site at top valued youngsters.. googled best players under 23 etc with some criteria like isn't at Bayern or Real etc. the closest I came to was some French kid Laporte who has been linked with Man Utd and is at a club we might just be able to buy from... and is rated as highly as Stones. But truly it was hard going... Then again I don't have a scouting network.
Others like Stefan de Vrij have recently moved so too late to grab them now...

It would take a miracle for RM to find a replacement that would smooth over the pain we would feel by losing him.

Colin Glassar
306 Posted 21/08/2015 at 07:17:00
The gutter press have spent so much ink reassuring their idol, Mourinho, that he will get his man that they are becoming increasingly desperate to satisfy his latest whim.

For some reason they believe Everton and Juventus (two historical powerhouses) will bend over to please little rich club Chelsea. Why? Because they believe money can buy anything and anybody. What they don't realise, in Everton's case, is that the Sky billions are slowly changing the landscape. We don't have to sell JS, WBA don't have to sell Berahino, Southampton don't have to sell Mane, even QPR don't have to sell Austin and Juventus certainly don't have to sell Pogba!!

I understand that Papa Roman wants to keep his spoilt brat of a manager happy, as do his media skivvies, but this is the beginning of a brave new world where no sometimes means just that – NO!!!

A few more days people and this Chinese torture shall be a thing of the past (until December at least) but remember, the media hate being proved wrong so the speculation and outlandish claims will only increase and intensify. Deep breath, everyone.

Jon Withey
307 Posted 21/08/2015 at 07:41:26
Silliness of the day :

"John Stones is close to putting in a transfer request at Everton in a bid to secure a move to Chelsea."

Close? what a meaningless statement carefully engineered to avoid being disprovable.

"Chelsea are set to make a stunning 𧴜m double swoop for Paul Pogba and John Stones."

They know that Pogba doesn't play for Everton right? We can't give them a 2 for 1 deal.

Tony Smith
308 Posted 21/08/2015 at 07:58:14
TalkShite this morning reporting that Stones is to put transfer request in.

I've been utterly gobsmacked by the anti-Everton approach of the media and their attempts to unsettle the player to get a cheap deal for Chelsea.

Surely a lot of this is illegal in terms of FA rules, wish Stones or Everton would come out and deny any knowledge of a transfer request to show up Chelsea and their gutter press lackeys as the cheap bullies they are.

I will also be very disappointed in Stones, if he has put a transfer request in, as it would totally undermine Everton and make them look like mugs.

Alan Holman
309 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:10:21
We will know if he is going by the team announcements on Sunday.
Ian Gulliford
310 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:12:10
Don't believe for one second this is true. There's a term for this which Everton need to look into and take the relevant legal action.
Colin Glassar
311 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:16:03
He just might be captain for the day, Alan. Will that reassure you?

I wonder why they continue to link him to Man Utd? As far as I know they've never expressed any interest in him. Or is that the Manc in them coming out?

Craig Fletcher
312 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:25:58
Thanks for calming mine & others nerves Colin (282). If it wasn't for you, half of ToffeeWeb would be curled up in a corner of the room, eyes wide open with fright, shaking in the foteal position.

Hold on tight folks, it's gonna be a fun ride the next few days...

Andrew Ellams
313 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:41:31
I am liking the idea of bringing in Dante though. Having somebody with that level of experience of competition will do John Stones the world of good.
Keith Monaghan
314 Posted 21/08/2015 at 08:41:39
Is this latest twist from the same gutter Mirror etc that told us before Capello left the England job that 'Arry was nailed on to be the next England manager & that Moyes was a cert to replace him at Spurs!? And the same Mirror that started trying to move Baines to Man Utd back in May 2012?

Strange that this story first broke on a CFC website early this week – may not all be Mourinho – don't forget, a top guy whose name I don't recall moved from Man Utd to Chelski some years ago – that's when their dirty tricks got into top gear, straight out of the Fergie guide to using every trick under the sun to get your own way.


William Cartwright
315 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:04:39
Stones will NOT submit a transfer request. End of.

Why not? Simple:

1) To do so (unless under instruction from his employers) will undermine his contract position. John and advisors know that's not in his best interests.

2) Man Utd in the wings are the big threat. If they come in with a seriously big offer, that is a different ball of wax.

3) Behind the scenes, he will be expecting either a big move to Man Utd this summer or sometime after, or next year when the world will be his oyster (if not so already).

Jose has lost the plot and the biased media frenzy, including arsewipe Andy Gray, are as concerned how stupid they will actually look if he stays with us, and the team with the lowest spend record actually breaks the glass ceiling...

Sandra Williams
316 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:15:17
And in Breaking News this morning, from John Cross, Chief Football Writer at the Daily Mirror... and I quote:

'Stones is the outstanding young English player of the future and that's why Chelsea want to pounce now. You suspect it will take 340m to get it done and for Stones to push to leave. So Chelsea still face a big battle'.

So eager to get their 'opinion' out there they can't even be bothered to proof-read it!! £340m?!!! Double it, Jose, and you're still not getting him!!

Chris Wilson
317 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:18:47
At £340 million, we might want to listen to their offer... in our shiny new stadium.
Chris Gould
318 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:20:14
This truly feels like a pivotal moment in our history. If he goes the consequences could be disastrous. We really will have allowed Chelsea to mug us.

To any Game of Thrones fans, I can't help but relate John Stones to Jon Snow. Maybe a little irreverent, but John Stones staying is as important to our club as Jon Snow living is to GoT.

If John Stones goes, he knows nothing!

Chris Wilson
319 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:24:29
Well Colin (287), Stonesy was apparently a Man Utd fan as a kid... so... there you go. I'm actually surprised no pro-Man Utd journo hack hasn't laid down a story that says something along the lines of, "Several sources have stated how John Stones hopes to one day captain Manchester United – his boyhood team."
Paul Nicholls
320 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:24:42
Refreshing to hear Martin Keown on Talksport this morning urge Stones to stay at Everton. He said JS is far from the finished article, has plenty of things to work on (dealing with crosses, positioning etc) and that there is no rush for him to go anywhere.

Keown's view was that JS needs to be first choice and be at a place where he is loved by the fans (he added that Everton is a huge club and our supporters pushed him into England reckoning when he was with us).

The most sense I've heard from any pundit amidst this whole appalling media frenzy.

Guy Hastings
321 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:27:01
He can politely put a transfer request in. The club can just as politely turn it down.
Chris Gould
322 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:29:17
Just reported on SSN that RM has told them that he is not aware of any transfer request from John Stones.

Surely he should be saying that there hasn't been a transfer request? After all, you'd assume he would be aware if there had been one?

This is getting stressful.

Eugene Ruane
324 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:38:02
Part of the (bigger) problem re 'the meeja' is a complete lack of accountability.

Every summer, the papers fling out as many names, at as many clubs as they can and even if every single word of a thousand stories is 100% bollocks, well that's....fine.

Or it certainly seems to be.

I mean you never see "Sun journalist Bev E. Merchant shamed for inventing transfers" or "Mirror man Al K Holick admits 'I made it all up'" or "Mail sports correspondent C. Nillatee admits to feeling 'a right twat' for his 'Messi on his way to Stoke for £8m!!' story"

It would be great if there was one of those 'Statto' types 'out there' who collected every story from the start of a transfer window to the end and could then (after the window closed) announce the 'winner' (which could then be announced/posted on every supporter site in the country).

I know most of these rags exist in a morals-free vacuum and the idea of shame is completely alien, but would any paper want to finish top of the BTSL? *

(*bullshit transfer story league)

Danny Halsall
325 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:40:03
Chris, have you watched the press conference? The way that SSN news have put it across does make you think that. When actually what happens is a reporter asks "Is there a transfer request from John Stones that you are aware of?" to which Martinez replies "No, not at all, no".

Another example of the press re-wording quotes to try to manipulate the situation. I for one am confident that Stones is going nowhere.

Lee Gorre
326 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:41:37
Paul (296), that will be the last time Keown is asked onto the station, punishment for not following the script.

Along with Big Nev, the only bit of sense I've heard on the never-ending saga.

I'm worried though by the wording used by RM in his press conference – it's hardly a reassuring hands off.

We need to dig in as a club here. I'd rather not sign anyone else this window than lose Stones. For me, lose Stones and lose interest.

Drew O'Neall
327 Posted 21/08/2015 at 09:55:14
This transfer request thing is about the player not getting a portion of the transfer fee.

Players have a loyalty bonus built in the sale fee in order to gag them asking for a move.

If the player puts in a transfer request the fee is worth another ~10% to the club.

So the player may want to leave and not put in a transfer request then you get the brinkmanship we are seeing now where the club are trying to drive the price up.

You'll probably see Stones put in a transfer request with a few days to go.

Ray Roche
328 Posted 21/08/2015 at 10:19:12
Drew, yes, and the club can reject his request just as we did when Baines asked to go. Whether Baines put in an official request, well, I don't know that for sure, but a request is just that :- a request. I can request a good time with Katy Perry but there's an outside chance she'll reject it....
Chris Gould
329 Posted 21/08/2015 at 10:20:59
Tony 299, I believe so. Ned Stark was way too honourable to have a bastard son. I follow the theory that Jon's Mum is Leanna Stark and his Dad is Rhaegar Targaryan. Too many unanswered questions for him to be dead.

Danny, I hadn't seen the press conference, just the reports. I have believed all along that he will stay, but my faith is beginning to buckle.

It really is a defining moment. A battle we have to win.

Jon Withey
330 Posted 21/08/2015 at 12:12:06
He said 'No, not at all'. Pretty straightforward.

The 'awareness' line was what the journalist asked, a leading question.

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