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The Sunday media transfer stories have Everton making a move for Chelsea's out-of-form forward Victor Moses and Bosnia-Herzegovina international Muhamed Besic.

Moses spent last season on loan at Liverpool and failed to hold down a regular place but may be available for a cut-price fee to link back up with Roberto Martinez under whom he displayed the form that attracted Chelsea in the first place.

Besic, meanwhile, impressed for his country in the World Cup in Brazil during the group stage. He is reportedly wanted by Sevilla.

The People, meanwhile, claim that Everton have reached agreement with Gareth Barry over a three-year contract.

Original Source: Liverpool Echo  

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Alex Vigil
650 Posted 30/06/2014 at 09:11:00
I was impressed by Besic against Argentina; I think he could fit Martinez’s style, but lacking experience at a higher level (and discipline, apparently).

I would rather see Hakim Ziyech, who is younger and has impressed in a much stronger league (at least if the price is in the same range).

Peter Murray
651 Posted 30/06/2014 at 09:19:53
Victor Moses sounds interesting. He was one of the most improved players in the Premier League under Roberto’s tutelage at Wigan. Lost his way a bit recently at Chelsea. A powerful winger/midfielder maybe he could get back on track again with Roberto.

Besic got quite a few mentions from the pundits in the group stages – only 21 and a defensive midfielder. Apart from that... unknown.

Jim Bennings
657 Posted 30/06/2014 at 10:07:57
Victor Moses??? No, no, no, noooooooo!!!

He is crap, was crap last season for Liverpool; I watched him for Nigeria against Iran and he was worse than crap.

I'd rather we try and get Tom Ince who is a better bet, Ince hasn't really pushed on that much but I reckon under Martinez he could develop a whole lot more as he has the ability.

Moses on the other hand is just a headless chicken and I see nothing in him whatsoever.

As for the other link, I can't say I really saw a great deal from Bosnia during the World Cup to make me want to buy too many of their lads, certainly didn't see much of Besic.

Andrew Ellams
658 Posted 30/06/2014 at 10:34:11
Besic looked quality in the World Cup. A box-to-box player who can tackle and pass and is only early 20s I think. He would be an excellent addition to the squad.

I wouldn’t dismiss Moses too quickly if we can get him for a good price. I don’t think he would displace Mirallas in the first team but I don’t see Mirallas being up for some of those grotty away trips in the Europa League.

Lee Mandaracas
660 Posted 30/06/2014 at 10:55:13
Looks like Tom Ince is another one missed. I know he divided opinion but, like you, I suspect he could have thrived under Martinez. Reckon his Dad's dark-side allegiances could have steered him anywhere but with us.

Here is one of many links looking like he has gone to Hull

Sam Hoare
661 Posted 30/06/2014 at 10:55:28
Jim, I think perhaps out-of-form players with potential is who we have to aim for. Moses would have been worth £8m+ last summer whereas perhaps we could get him for £4-5m now? It's hard to perform when you only get a handful of games as he did last season but Martinez knows him well and he can be highly effective when on form and given a run of games.

Not sure about the other lad.

Derek Knox
662 Posted 30/06/2014 at 10:58:40
Jim / Lee

Firstly, I have got to agree that Moses, as I have mentioned in a previous post, would not improve us at all, and besides having just spent last season with our friends across Stanley Park, keeps appearing as a possible target.

Let's just hope that this is speculation, based on his previous association with Roberto, at Wigan, and doesn't even approach the realms of possibility.

I am somewhat surprised that we haven't approached Tom Ince, having been linked with him on several occasions before. I too believe that Hull are favourites to get him signed up. I can't think what Hull have to offer, that is more attractive than ourselves but, then again, that is on the assumption that we have actually been in for him!

I have watched Bosnia in their games, and can't honestly remember Besic at all. The only one I distinctly remember is Edin Dzeko, who had mixed performances; if we don't get Lukaku, and City buy more strikers, we may have a chance of getting him!

Andrew Ellams
663 Posted 30/06/2014 at 11:22:45
If Tom Ince is the player everybody raves about, why did he spend the last 6 months with Palace and now seems to be going to Hull? Could it be possible that people are believing a bit too much of what the papers says about this lad?
Peter Barry
664 Posted 30/06/2014 at 11:28:59
Too little, too late and hoping to pick up the scraps from the rich men's tables. This is and has been Everton's Transfer policy for seasons under Billy Liar.
Peter Barry
665 Posted 30/06/2014 at 11:31:03
Oh and not forgetting to dribble out positive "information' to keep the sheeple quiet.
Eugene Ruane
666 Posted 30/06/2014 at 11:47:46
This (see link) was also printed in a Sunday tabloid.

Is it true?

Did it really happen?



Gerry Quinn
668 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:04:22
Don't let the Dutch team see that link or they will all want one!
Lee Mandaracas
669 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:22:55
The Sunday Sport in comparison with the Daily Mirror though Eugene?

It's hardly apples with app..... Oh wait. Daily Mirror?...

Nope, you've got a good point.

Steve Brown
670 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:26:15
Eugene, at least the bloke doesn't need a high-vis vest when cycling.
Jim Bennings
671 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:26:51
There is also perhaps another little question that needs asking too.

Where do the likes of Hull get the money from?

I know they had that takeover (another club more attractive than us to potential buyers eh Bill?)

They have already splashed out for two strikers last January in Long and Jelavic, signed Livermore and Lescott, last summer Huddlestone and now almost Tom Ince.

We as usual just know that unless we sell (which let's be honest we did sell in January, Jelavic £7 mill) then we can't spend anything like that.

Tom Ince would definitely have been worth a punt.

I'm sorry Sam but there was a reason why Moses didn't get much game time at Liverpool: because he just wasn't good enough, I knew from a few educated Kopite mates (yes there are one or two, believe it or not) that went to every game, they said the same as what I did... headless chicken; and he wouldn't get many starts with us either – is he better than McGeady or Mirallas??? Or Pienaar?? I doubt it.

We do need squad players but we've seen in the past by bringing in the likes of Gueye, if they are poor quality then it's a waste of time.

Jim Bennings
672 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:38:38
Sorry correction there, they never signed Lescott, how could I forget he joined our old boy Alan Irvine at WBA..., silly me.
Andrew Ellams
673 Posted 30/06/2014 at 12:44:30
I don’t usually stick up for BK, but I’d like to think that, if somebody like the Al-Fayed type character that bought Hull came along, he would dismiss them as he should. The guy might have cash but he does not get the club or football one bit.
Tom Bowers
675 Posted 30/06/2014 at 13:25:15
Okay guys, wait till Bobby gets home. We will see then who is on the shopping list.

The media just love speculation spurred on by greedy agents who want their commission if their players move around.
I am sure Bobby isn’t doing any Everton business whilst in Brazil although he is probably casting his eye at one or two World Cup players.

Kevin Tully
677 Posted 30/06/2014 at 14:01:32
This is a decent link to keep updated on the latest moves (take no notice of the values, they are usually way out):


Richard Dodd
678 Posted 30/06/2014 at 13:55:59
Jim, the ’Tigerman’ who bought Hull City has extensive business interests on Humberside and would never have been attracted by Everton.

His was not a leveraged purchase and he took over all the club’s debts meaning that their ’other operating costs’ are about £25M a year less than ours.

Thus all their broadcasting income can be put to player purchases. His only sin is that he’s allergic to the name ’City’.

Jim Bennings
685 Posted 30/06/2014 at 15:47:16

I do happen to agree with you on the takeover thing. There's also no way I'd want any cowboy no-mark just pumping money into Everton FC just for an ego trip and wanting to change the entire identity of our club.

But, on the other side of the coin, I think now we have such a bright young manager here, it would be a tragedy if we were to lose him eventually to a more ambitious club with greater financial muscle.

Sooner or later we have to actually achieve something, it never quite happened under Moyes despite near misses with the Champions League and FA Cup Final loss.

It would be a greater shame if we had 5 years of promise under this bright new era of Robby Martinez but at the end of it, we look back with only tinges of regret.

James Flynn
710 Posted 30/06/2014 at 19:33:22
Wait, is Richard Dodd THE Dodd? The Freshy fellow?
Mike Powell
711 Posted 30/06/2014 at 19:44:14
Please, not Moses... even the RS fans say he is useless. No more ex-Wigan players.
Colin Glassar
713 Posted 30/06/2014 at 20:02:16
Moses should have stuck with Roberto at Wigan. His career has nose-dived ever since he left them.

Ince is another one I wouldn't touch. He brings too much baggage... eg, his dad, who's a complete scrounger. It's a lie Inter Milan made him an offer, that's just Ince Snr living in his deluded little world. Apart from Hull, no other team seems interested in him and that's his dad's fault.

Raymond Fox
717 Posted 30/06/2014 at 20:09:06
Peter 664 &665.

What do you suggest, that we should trade blows with Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd etc in a transfer market free-for-all?

Our market is the crumbs, unless RM can find a talent that has evaded the big boys' clutches!

Keith Glazzard
720 Posted 30/06/2014 at 20:23:29
Moses offered very little today. He would have to be real bargain basement to qualify as a squad player.
Eugene Ruane
721 Posted 30/06/2014 at 20:42:31
James Flynn (710) - "Wait, is Richard Dodd THE Dodd? The Freshy fellow?"

Hard to tell from one post, you have to read a couple of years worth of strident posts saying something is absolutely, definitely and without a shadow of a doubt, correct.

Then, if he changes his mind completely, it's probably him.

Clive Lewis
726 Posted 30/06/2014 at 21:48:51
Wigan-type players to add to Alcaraz and Koné. This worries me no end. It's the first time in 10 years we have looked at such average players. We did gamble a bit; however, Samaras and Moses are not in this category. They are proven to be very average.
Peter Murray
745 Posted 30/06/2014 at 23:17:08
Is someone running a subversive Tom Ince fan club? An average player who would contribute nothing to the current Everton squad.
Ant Dwyer
749 Posted 01/07/2014 at 01:21:04
Andrew 663 I agree with you over Ince. He’s done nothing at Premier League level and failed miserably at Ppalace. Maybe he has potential which is definitely something we desperately need to invest in especially as we have lots of aging players.

I do think Moses is worth ago. Alright, he didn’t play much at the shite but they only really had room for one player of that type and they had Courtinho and Sterling (whom they already owned) so they decided it would be better to develop them. Again he’s young enough to improve and he has pace , two things our flanks miss.

Osman and Pienaar have been mostly on our left hand side with Mirallas on the right, but both players on the left have no pace and are definitely on their way down. Moses (with the help of Bobby) could become a vital player and at the reported £4/5m price tag we will easily get our money back if he is unused if McGeady commands a starting place.

Let’s face it , players need competition and McGeady needs to prove himself at this level. If not Moses or ince we have to buy someone who has pace and can operate left or right wing.

Also we are still desperate for a striker.

Peter Barry
750 Posted 01/07/2014 at 03:51:21
Raymond Fox 717 seems you are perfectly happy with that situation then you should have no complaints - good for you.
Colin Glassar
758 Posted 01/07/2014 at 08:04:26
Gutted that Dan Gosling has gone to Bournemouth.
Trevor Lynes
761 Posted 01/07/2014 at 09:02:26
Ince was awful in his last Under-21 international and totally over shadowed by Townsend and our own Garbutt.

Moses will come good when he plays more often and was out of his comfort zone at Chelsea.

Sterling improved a lot and limited Moses’s games at Anfield but I can see him doing a good job on the left, perhaps rotating with McGeady.

Ben Jones
766 Posted 01/07/2014 at 10:08:26
Good article here on Besic incase you're all interested.

James Flynn
771 Posted 01/07/2014 at 11:02:30
Eugene - Made me laugh. Play nice.

Read your book by-the-by. Instantly added to my Top 10 list of the best $5.36 I ever spent.

Eugene Ruane
776 Posted 01/07/2014 at 11:51:49
You're obviously a man of great taste and refinement James.
Iain Thomson
787 Posted 01/07/2014 at 13:10:56
Ryan Gauld, the young lad from Dundee Utd we were linked with is of to Sportin Lisbon for talks... £3 million apparently... gutted.

Oh well, we can pretend we are going to sign him in 2 years time for three times as much.

James Marshall
794 Posted 01/07/2014 at 13:54:02
I don't understand why everyone raves about Tom Ince. If he has so much potential why has his career been in limbo for so long? Why is he constantly farmed out to other clubs? Why isn't he already playing for a top team.

It's pretty obvious really. He ain't all that.

As for Moses – well I've seen every game in the World Cup and all I've seen of him, is lots of charging about with zero effect on each of Nigeria's 4 games.

Besic? I don't even remember him, so he's probably brilliant.

Tom Bowers
795 Posted 01/07/2014 at 14:02:21
Moses and Ince spouted everywhere but both overrated. We have fullbacks quicker and smarter than both of them. Don’t be surprised if RM goes continental again.
Andrew Ellams
797 Posted 01/07/2014 at 14:08:24
Reading the bleacher report on Besic if we could get him for the sort of money they are talking about he would be a great acquisition to the squad.
Phil Smith
800 Posted 01/07/2014 at 14:29:34
Oh hell no! Moses is a waste of time. Maybe if he hadn't just spent last season over the road, I could look past his short-comings... Not for me though.

Besic, on the other hand, looked half-decent.

Colin Metcalfe
802 Posted 01/07/2014 at 14:41:57
I don't rate Moses or Ince! Once again, our transfer policy is fight for the discarded scraps that other teams don't want.

If Bill does have £25m in the bank, we should shop for a decent striker, I'd rather have one top class player than several duds (Spurs last seasony).

On another note, I see our neighbors across the park have just signed Lallana — an Everton fan! He would've been a nice addition to our squad!

Okay, that's my rant over for today... gonna put the kettle on!

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