Unconfirmed reports on Tuesday night suggest Redknapp, 64, has ended his near four-year stay with north London club after a falling out with chairman Daniel Levy.
Bookmakers have wasted little time in drawing up their own shortlist for the post should the rumours prove accurate... with David Moyes the favourite for the position at evens.
Redknapp, however, has angrily refuted the rumours, calling them an outrage, and insisting that he has not reigned his position at the North London club.
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539 Posted 13/06/2012 at 02:48:00
540 Posted 13/06/2012 at 04:33:19
543 Posted 13/06/2012 at 05:43:54
544 Posted 13/06/2012 at 06:17:11
What available manager would be willing and able to take the hot seat @ Goodison and provide better results on the pitch given the financial mess we find ourselves in each year. . Answers on a post card to Toffeeweb.
I fancy Martinez from Wigan
545 Posted 13/06/2012 at 06:11:15
With the Liverpool, Villa and Chelsea sagas, we`ve all seen that good managers with solid CV`s are a little thin on the ground at the moment. Massive clubs are being forced to gamble. If Moyes gave the slightest hint that he was interested, I think he would definitely be on a very short list
The Ginger fella is about to be offered one of the most lucrative contracts in football, working for a soft as shite chairman who fawns all over him and because said chairman will never be able to back him financially Davey boy can drift towards retirement earning an absolute fortune, without ever having to put his reputation on the line.
Would he go to work for a "dont fuck with me" kinda guy like Levy who will surely want his pound of flesh ?
Sorry Robbie, He`s going nowhere. even if deep down inside he was actually bottling it, all he would have to do is declare his undying loyalty to Everton and his win/win situation will get even . .err winnier
550 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:13:01
551 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:20:39
552 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:17:32
If he takes it - I give us two years before we're in administration as the Kenwright house of cards built upon an extraordinary manager who can deliver top half of the Premier League finishes on a mid Championship level budget collapses.
If Moyes goes it will be the worst day for Everton Football Club since the ban from Europe post Heysel Stadium disaster.
Scary times to be a Blue - as ever these days
555 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:47:32
Many on here would celebrate the departure of Moyes. Like Kevin Sparke I would be nervous of our short term future without him. I reckon he'll be here for next season, but beyond that i'm not so sure...
557 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:42:06
The only question mark Moyes might have is why would Levy sack a manager that had taken them from near relegation a couple of years back to 4th in the league. Most years this would have guaranteed Champions league football next year. So what would they expect from Moyes Champions league football every year, to me on their budjet that would be most unlikely.
558 Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:52:29
The rumours are doing the rounds that Levy and Arry's relationship has been fractious since February because they lost a 12 point cushion between Champions League qualification as Levy blames Arry for taking his eye off the ball due to the flirtation with the England manager's job...
It really wouldn't surprise me if Moyes went - in fact even now I'd have it as 50-50 that he'll go - especially as Kenwright is likely to sell Baines and Fellaini to plug the financial leaks and satisfy the banks.
559 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:07:04
560 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:09:28
561 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:24:21
562 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:23:10
Moyes must stay. Our finances seem to deplete annually and yet he manages to get decent returns on feck all resources.
I await the day when we are able to compete financially, at least with the likes of Newcastle and Villa. Moyes would then be in a position to move the club forward.
I agree with Peter Laing, although much of the summer press is bullshit, there comes a point when Elstone and Kenwright need to comprehensively nail the continuing crap, hype and speculation with a clear message.
564 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:22:46
However one thing is fairly certain - the anual summer debacle has already begun with all our top players the subject of transfer speculation, no sign of any incoming business by ourselves and the optimism with which the season ended is rapidly being eroded away. This will inevitably lead to the normal shit start to the season as Baines / Fellaini / (or both) are sold at 23.50 on 31st August and BB tells us we ran out of time to get any players in, apart that is from some European has been on loan for 12 months.
As such it is certain that if Moyes stays, even accounting for the fact that the above scenario is hardly his fault, come December 2012 I will be wishing he had gone as the pragmatic style of football he will deploy to counter the loss of his best players will be as tedious as it was last season...
565 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:42:15
566 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:52:04
Dave Wilson is spot on!
Even if Moyes were to to make a complete balls of the season after what he has had to work with in the past it would just be put down to lack of funds.
He's on a good number at Goodison as the Chaiman sees the sun shining out of his Arse!
Good luck to him I say and let's hope he now has some bargaining power to keep our top players and prise Pienarr back from Spurs!
567 Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:52:04
Dave Wilson is spot on!
Even if Moyes were to to make a complete balls of the season after what he has had to work with in the past it would just be put down to lack of funds.
He's on a good number at Goodison as the Chaiman sees the sun shining out of his Arse!
Good luck to him I say and let's hope he now has some bargaining power to keep our top players and prise Pienarr back from Spurs!
568 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:10:06
"We wouldn't sell Rooney for £50m" (to be fair, they didn't)
"The delay in Everton Place is due to IT difficulties" (Internal Turmoil?)
"We've reinvested all of the money received for Lescott, and more" (only to be immediately contradicted by Moyes)
As others have pointed out, Dave Wilson makes a very good point. DM is one of the highest paid managers globally, and under the least pressure. Another 10 year contract, and maybe his love for the club will be such that he'll buy it. He can probably afford to now.
571 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:27:40
Watch this space
572 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:34:12
573 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:36:28
575 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:24:24
It's all there at Spurs if he's truly ambitious and not just happy picking up his world class salary for mid table comfiness.
He'll get spoken about in dispatches AS USUAL but the truth is "top 8" via "ends justify the means" football ain't acceptable to clubs who compete, his brand of football is increasingly looking outdated.
576 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:51:02
Levy will not go for a " let's see where we are after 40 points " manager.
They want Champions League football, and I don't think Moyes has the bottle to go to a club where he will be under constant pressure to deliver.
If Harry goes - they will go abroad or for Martinez.
577 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:53:23
579 Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:49:05
I think Moyes is a pretty loyal guy, but the prospect of having to sell your best players season after season must even stretch his loyalty. I would imagine the prospect of having a decent transfer kitty, plus if he sells Bale for in excess of £30 million he would be able again to make Spurs into realistic Champions league place.
581 Posted 13/06/2012 at 11:17:43
587 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:13:44
588 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:10:39
If Moyes went I'd welcome a punt on Martinez. I think he plays good stuff, talks sense, has footballing principles and would work well with better players here than he has at Wigan.
590 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:26:24
Is that the defensive hoofball that we were playing since he brought in better players in January?
592 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:10:12
593 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:36:14
Now RS claim that they never offered the job to anyone until they offered it to Rodgers, and I'd be prepared to believe that. So the Chairman claiming they'd offered it to his man, but he was likely to turn it down probably didn't do Martinez any favours. I can't imagine if he does bail on one head-the-ball Chairman, why he'd opt for another.
594 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:34:26
Every time some hack trots out some uninformed dross through a shite paper or site it triggers the same tired apoligest v Moyes-out squabble on this site.
595 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:40:03
"This is an outrage; an absolute liberty for people to be putting around this kind of rumour on the internet.
"It is not true, there is not a chance I will resign. Why should I?
"I have a year left on my contract."
597 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:44:22
Could Moyes such pressure ? He has not had a moments worry over his job in years !
598 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:30:32
In addition to Tony's comments on the style of play, I thought we beat 4 of the 6 teams who finished above us this year? So suggesting we're 'no good' against them seems a bit harsh. Also, the teams above us are there for a reason...
600 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:54:02
601 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:58:12
603 Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:59:50
How and why Evertonians find it witty or clever to criticise the man is beyond me.
Be careful what you wish for!! We would be in deep cack in no time.
604 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:05:48
605 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:07:14
607 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:02:14
It's only a personal opinion but I think Moyes will always try and play KITAP1 wherever he goes. He'll always value players who give 100% and work hard over technical ability. I think there are better teams than Spurs in the league and there still will be with Moyes at the helm. I agree that it's all conjecture. Moyes' best when he takes players and improves them. I don't think he does as well with established ones.
I like Moyes. He's done well for Everton and brought in some good players down the years. We also owe him a debt for where he's taken us. However, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about the derby surrender at Wembley and other moments when his safety first approach has cost us. He lost respect for me by resting players for the Anfield derby.
It's only my way of thinking but I want to see an Everton team play with style and have a go. I'd settle for the odd derby defeat if we could come away thinking we played the right way. My faults with Moyes are that he'll always prefer a Phil Neville type player over someone with flair. Personally, I'd like a change of style.
608 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:08:31
I don't think Moyes can take Everton beyond where they are now due to financial constraints and limitations in his own ability, but I don't think that there is anybody else out there right now who can improve on him unless there is a decent European manager desperate to get in to English footbal. Slaven Bilic maybe?
609 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:14:38
610 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:19:45
£50-60million burning a hole in their pockets
611 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:10:35
Redknapp started last season with a strike force worth about 10 times that of the one Moyes had at his disposal.
Moyes was given mere £5m to give his team a cutting edge, from there on in his team played football comparable to the very best in the Premier League ? including anything Spurs produced.
Moyes has done far better than Redknapp in their head to heads down the years. the suggestion that Redknapp is good enough for Spurs, but Moyes isn't, is laughable.
There can be little doubt that the current Spurs board would always make more funds available to their manager than this current Everton board... but does moving to them constitute a step up? I don't think so.
Moyes is good enough for Spurs alright, but he`s managed Everton ffs.... The question has to be: Are Spurs good enough for him?
612 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:31:38
If he goes - lets go 'balls out' and get Di Canio in to work alongside Big Dunc as manager / 1st team coach and invite Tommy Graveson back as the team physio.
I reckon we'd get a few more decisions go our way.
[shit ... I'm a little scared that someone who 'runs' the club might read this and think it's a great idea]
613 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:18:32
There's also the 'he doesn't like creativity, he just wants workers' argument. This persists despite the fact that he has signed Arteta, Pienaar, Van Der Meyde, Yakubu, Saha, Drenthe etc, none of whom were exactly renowned for their work rate. He also gets slated for playing Anichebe because he's lazy and Osman because he's not big and strong enough. Well you can't have it both ways!
He obviously has minimum standards that he expects players to adhere to with regards to effort and he won't tolerate people who don't meet them - good! If Guardiola asks Barca players to work hard why the hell shouldn't Moyes give a no mark like Drenthe a rocket for wandering round like a lost soul while the rest of his team works for a result.
614 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:35:15
Some managers even with money to spend still cannot get a good team together.
Just ask Hodgson and Dalglish.
I am sure with the right temptation Moyes will go and if so wherever that may be would his first aquisition be Osman?
615 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:33:23
I don't think it matters how much he has to spend. When you're 1-0 up in a final or semi-final at Wembley and more than holding your own, why do you resort to putting ten men behind the ball and lumping it into the channels? Moyes' teams do well when it doesn't matter. When there's expectation (like a semi-final, final, start of a season) they struggle because they resort to trying to be hard to beat.
Whenever we have done well it's because we've tried to play football and had a go. I think the two go together: play football, keep the ball, attack. I think you'll win more than you lose with that approach.
617 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:44:41
The Spurs Supremo Daniel Levy is planning a sensational triple swoop from plucky, cash strapped, good old Everton.
The iminient sales of Modric and Gareth Bale combined with the sensational sacking of Redknapp and Evertons perilous financial position.. have left the door open for the appointment of Moyes as manager and Baines and Fellani as Modric and Bales replacements.
618 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:45:02
I have done the semi fianl argument to death tbh mate. I will never accept that you can blame a manager for losing a game when players made mstakes of that magnitude.
what I find amusing though is people pointing to our Anfield and Wembley defeats as examples of why Moyes isnt good enough for Spurs. . . especially when you look at the Spurs semi final or their last derby match
Was it just the 11 they conceded in those two games under Arry ?
619 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:49:21
What makes Redknapp so special? He has not done that well considering the money he has spent. Spurs have every right to expect CL football after investing that much. The irony is they should have had it. Why both teams can't be included if the CL winner is from that country is beyond me.
Moyes would do well at spurs. He has consistently bought better than Redknapp with a tiny fraction of his budget and that is something Levy will be salivating over. Redknapp does not buy or promote youth. If you think Moyes is bad at blooding youth just take a look at harry's record! Moyes even with his tactical flaws is vastly superior to Redknapp. That coming from one of his biggest critics.
620 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:44:46
I don't expect us to win every game but I do expect us to compete and I want us to play with a degree of style. I agree. he did something after our terrible start and invested in Jelavic, Piennaar and Donovan. Unfortunately, only one of those is a permanent signing. If he does stay, I'm awaiting what he does this summer. Let's remember that a couple of seasons back, Evertonians were talking about being possible outside title contenders and Moyes himself described his squad as his best ever. Let's see whether he is in the market for similar flair players or whether he starts chasing centre halves and third choice goalkeepers.
621 Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:07:43
622 Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:08:47
623 Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:50:12
I think your post there highlights another of the things I was mentioning though. The idea that we don't play well under pressure. Is it really true? Was there not pressure on us in the quarter final against Sunderland? Or the semi against United? Although I agree that the tactics against Liverpool were wrong, was it really a case of losing because of the pressure or just a ridiculous mistake from Distin?
I'm not sure why we would be under more pressure at the start of a season than the end? At the start nobody really expects us to do well, a 7th placed finish would always have been seen as ok this year by most realistic fans so it's not as if people are saying they're going to win the league and they're bricking it. At the end of the year they are under pressure, because the first half of the season was bad and if they continue they might get relegated. So it would suggest they actually play better under pressure.
It also doesn't go with the fact that we never win away at the teams mentioned earlier. Theres zero pressure in those games because nobody expects us to win so why can't we do it?
It just seems like another of these things that people attach the significance that they want rather than what logic dictates. In reality we remember the losses in big games because they hurt more, and so have to find some reason for them. Usually it's because the other team has better players.
624 Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:15:04
I`m not going to hammer Disitn, he`s had a great season, but the manager who can legislate for howlers such as that one has yet to be born.
this thread is about Moyes and Spurs
625 Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:16:08
Football is such a fickle game though. I have a mate who is a Villa fan. John Gregory was their manager and got them to a cup final which they lost to Chelsea in a boring final. The day after, he and a lot of other Villa fans wanted Gregory out. It just highlighted to me how there are maybe 3 or 4 teams who will not be disappointed each season. If you look at last season, which teams would be happy with their lot? I'd say Man City, Newcastle, Norwich, Swansea and then Stoke and Wigan maybe, off the top of my head. QPR stayed up but spent quite heavily. Arsenal aren't what they were. United lost it. Liverpool are as far off the top as ever. Tottenham blew their chance. Villa had a shocker. We had a good 2nd half of the season.
626 Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:05:18
If Moyes tried to pick his nose, I'm sure Arry would jump in and pick it for him.
Moyes is the better manager of the two.
I would be guttered if Moyes leaves us, I think we would be truly fkd.
629 Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:20:29
Imagine what he can do with a midfield of Van Der Vaart, Bale, Moderic, Lennon and a forward line of Dafoe and Adebeyor instead of having to pick Osman, Anichebe and Cahill?
632 Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:29:34
There'll be nobody more pleased than me if Moyes has realised that playing football is the way forward. I'll be his biggest fan, assuming he stays, if that's the way we go. If he leaves for Spurs then good luck to him. I hope he does well with them.
We'll see though eh?
Thanks for the exchange of views though on this thread.
633 Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:40:46
Yes, they had a shite start to the season (shortly before he took over) but that happens. Given the amount of money they'd already spent, it was a dead cert that they'd return to their natural position before long. Harry had the easiest job in the world overseeing the inevitable (and then constantly telling everybody he turned round a relegation-threatened club).
Like most things that come out of Redknapp's mouth it's absolute nonsense. He's a master of creating his own myths and ensuring they're spun and respun in the papers.
634 Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:35:42
For all Moyes bad points (and I am a fan of his) he has over performed with the funds etc he has had to work with.
Martinez has scraped through every season with Wigan, never been close to over performing.
If Moyes was to go now I think we would need some one with foreign experience...breed a different style into the team and club.
Dick Advocaat, Slaven Bilic.
I wouldnt have minded a gamble on Solskjaer either but having turned down the villa he is probably not an option.
A problem with the above and many others will be money. So a big punt could be Glenn Hoddle....wow, wow, wow hear me out!
1. He would love to get back into management (Hear him on talksport when ever he is interviewed).
2. He has a lot of experience, internationally too.
3. Though possibly been out of the top level game for a while he comnpletely in touch with the modern game and player through his coaching networks etc.
4. Would think he has a number of strong connections through out europe.
5. Scouting wise, he spends a lot of time abroad and would expect he has a good knowledge of players through europe at all levels, and as a bove a number of connections.
635 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:00:14
636 Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:54:58
637 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:05:32
Bilic is an interesting shout. He has just taken a job after the euros though so not an option.
Don't really rate advocaat and have always found him to be a bit of a prick.
Hoddle has been out of top flight management far too long. I liked him at the time but he never did anything of note after England. He would be a crazy choice. If Moyes leaves I don't think Bk will go outside "the family" so expect Neville, Weir, Round etc Or memory lane candidates like Reid, Royle,
638 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:34:47
639 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:00:38
640 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:45:12
Why? Because he will be found out as the defensive-minded safety-first non-football manager he is, I can just see Modric's or Bale's kipper when Sergeant Moyes kicks off at them for not tracking back.
Personally, if true, I would gladly put him on the five past nine.
641 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:55:49
642 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:26:05
His former club Portsmouth ended up in administration. Would that have been the case if the manager (and yes I know the chairman backed him) had been less profligate?
I know of a former premier league manager who described how he hated dealing with Redknapp over transfers. The reason wasn't because of needing to get the best deal, with Harry involved things were involved. If you catch my drift.
In terms of the man's record over the last 10 years compared to Moyse, Reknapp first took over Portsmouth in 2002, so start from there, would we really rather have had free-wheeling, attractive football-playing Harry and his record with those clubs. If Moyse had the money to spend that Harry did then HK's record would pale even more by comparison.
Before the usual suspects line up for a "Yes please" at the prospect of Moyes moving on, tell me who has out-performed him in the past ten years and who you would guess could do so in the future given Everton's situation.
Let me help with the first list of oustanding performers.
Redknapp is not alone in the company of these charlatan's.
My only surprise is how they get another job!
Oh, and Southgate, FA technical director !!!
643 Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:55:29
645 Posted 13/06/2012 at 17:06:06
As I said , I know Hoddle would be a huge gamble. But we would be taking a punt on anyone 'in our reach'
In the end I think we have to be happy with what we have got!
646 Posted 13/06/2012 at 17:13:38
648 Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:01:34
649 Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:16:53
For example, Defoe was bought for £7.5 million and sold for £15 million, leaving Harry to take a slice out of the £7.5 million profit. Saha was acquired for nothing in January, and will probably sold on for a million or so in the summer... leading to another nice contribution to Uncle 'Arry's retirement fund, despite the ridiculous amount of money that Spurs must have wasted on King Louis' wages in the meantime.
Actually, I think I see your point.
650 Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:22:42
Clearly you hate Redknapp but if you think he's the only greedy football employee you're kidding yourself and you negate the blame of Pompey's demise by acknowledging the thicko chairmans part in it so why say it.
His speed in the transfer market wheeling and dealing is in stark contrast to Moyes who could do with sharpening up in that respect given our skintness.
Redknapp is a good manager he gets good players most of us haven't heard of and his teams are exciting, he won the FA cup with Portsmouth and his Spurs outfit tore up the Champions League AT THE FIRST ATTEMPT! (not on Moyes CV despite 10 yrs unfettered control).
PLUS he got Gareth Bale playing - remember Bale hardly got a game under the Dutch Moyes - Jol.
As for your list - how many of them had 10 yrs at a club?
Did any win anything - I can think of at least one who did.
652 Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:24:22
Now, really. Unfettered? Hahaha. Good one.
653 Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:08:27
Love to see a list of those players Harry gets who most of us havent heard of.
654 Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:39:12
660 Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:51:50
666 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:07:40
668 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:13:37
Imagine it, a player goes in for a 50-50 ball, gets a bad injury and ends up on crutches.
When asked to comment, Hoddle says "Serves him right, that's what you get for robbing a turnip in 1638!"
669 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:27:39
671 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:26:05
I have expressed the view for a number of years that I think we could do better but I have come to realise that it is a pointless argument.
673 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:40:06
His comments on disability were, for someone in such a public postition, totally outrageous.
I have my own reasons for saying this, but Im sure our club captain would struggle if he got the job also.
676 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:50:19
If you think Moyes doesn't have complete control you are more ill informed than your posts normally suggest.
680 Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:54:53
"Redknap didnt rate Bale" - spoke to 'arry did you or is this another Wilsonism dressed up as fact?
Not that it matters because even assuming your right he ended up getting the best out the kid - again something not really on the Moyes CV - certainly not in an attacking sense.
682 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:08:55
He might have the final say on a lot of things but if you think he has full control over wage budgets, player sales etc you're living in cloud cuckoo land. I don't even think the board have total control nevermind Moyes. If the banks say jump we say how high.
He didn't want to sell Beckford last year but was told that the offer was too good for us to refuse for a squad player. He was effectively told that unless he saw him as a regular starter he was off, unless we wanted to sacrifice somebody else who might make more money.
683 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:11:05
685 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:21:48
When you start your post saying:
"Of course he doesn't have full control Barry, nowhere near."
Then immediately say:
"He might have the final say.... "
You're not really getting the point are you?
In his remit he is completely in control as he has said himself, it is why Chairman Kenwright appeared snuggled up with him recently on SKY cooing - "he's the boss".
Or do you think I was talking about whether he chooses the fig rolls or digestives?
688 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:32:15
Being asked to make Hobson's choice all the time and so 'having the final say' is not quite the same as total control, wouldn't you agree?
There's only one of us not getting the point, I'll give you a clue - his name's Barry.
689 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:43:29
Paddy Power have suspended betting on Moyes taking the job and strangely, Benitez has just cancelled a scheduled appearance on Talksport tomorrow night.
Read into all that what you will.
690 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:37:35
ASSUMING I`m right ? check your facts mate. Redknap would not play Bale until he had to. He won the raffle when Bale proved him wrong. I didnt have to speak to Redknap I just had to count up the months he left him out of the team.
While we are at it, how did Arry do with Pienaar ? . . . "in an attacking sense" of course ?
And hows that list of players Redknap gets that most of us havent heard of coming along ? you know, the one you actually thought existed.
691 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:40:53
You said it.
The words "final say" are yours, if you don't think they indicate control what can I say?
"Hobsons choice" or inability to buy and sell well and quickly enough?
You conveniently ignored the "he's the boss" quote as well, think you're kidding yourself on Jimmy if you don't think Moyes has complete control at Everton.
What you're hinting at is he hasn't got a transfer budget like the money boys, trouble with that is those managers really aren't in control, Abramovich, Mansoor, Fenway are - now that's control.
694 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:00:47
695 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:55:05
So your saying you're analysis of the evidence AS YOU SEE IT is right again.
The lad being injured and having a operation during that period played no part in his absence from the team then?
The REAL POINT of making the best of Bale is going right over your head, and as for your usual diversion in this case Redknapp's transfer lists do your own homework you lazy bugger and report back to me with how many you'd heard of prior to signing. (I want graphs as well with %'s)
696 Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:55:12
The words used were 'total, unfettered, and full' and yet you're now just saying control. Yes he has some control but not' total control, full control or unfettered control'. He has said before that nothing happens without his approval but he's basically just rubber stamping things. He's saying that nobody buys and sells players over his head as happens at other clubs, but he has no control over the FACT that we have to sell, not to buy but to survive.
The 'he's the boss' quote from Kenwright you mean? I'm not conveniently ignoring it, just completely ruling it out. It never ceases to amaze me that people accuse Kenwright of lying through his teeth 99% of the time but then quote him as if it's gospel when it suits them.
Doesn't buy and sell quick enough? Jesus Barry you really must be on cloud cuckoo land - we have no money and about 2 saleable assets! You keep repeating the cliches you've heard other people say and let other people worry about what's really going on eh?
697 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:04:42
698 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:08:33
700 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:15:33
702 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:12:58
703 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:10:06
I'd happily take a new manager who had some balls - balls to go into games believing we can win and balls to stand up to his inept chairman. I'd also like a manager who doesn't suffer from bipolar disorder.
704 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:11:00
Stop with the pedantry, it's crap.
Moyes has total unfettered control, he does what he wants when he wants - he doesn't travel in the company jet because we don't have one, he doesn't buy Ronaldo because we don't have the dough.
Beyond having a perfect club with unlimited money he is in total control it really is that simple.
If you're saying he's not in total control because he doesn't have everything his little heart desires you are not living in reality.
We only have 2 saleable assets? please say you've said this as a joke.
705 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:23:20
Early shout for Harry Redknapp??
706 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:23:20
Early shout for Harry Redknapp??
707 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:21:18
I personally think Moyes would be a fool to leave Everton. £3m a year - wasn't he 12th highest paid manger in football ? No pressure, and no expectations.
If he does go, it won't be a disaster for us. If, and it's a big if, we are offering the same salary to the next manager, I think we could do well.
Someone mentioned Benitez, would piss the R.S off no end. Ha Ha.
708 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:19:56
Try actually reading what I'm saying. It's nothing to do with not being able to sign whoever he wants or having millions to throw away.
His level of control is basically 'the bad news is you have to sell 2 players this window and reduce the wage bill, the good news is you're in control of who it is.'
I've never disputed that he has the final say but it is not anything like total control. If my mrs said I could go out for a pint whenever I wanted, as long as it was friday or saturday, then I made the final decision but I didn't have total control, do you see?
Yes 2 saleable assets was a slight exaggeration but only slight. In terms of wheeling and dealing we have maybe 5 players who would command big enough fees to be able to replace them and try to use the money elsewhere.
709 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:36:19
Let's just agree to disagree on the word "total"
I wouldn't like to be thought of as a control freak.
(I'm not laughing..... honest!)
710 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:33:21
Unfortunately I've a hunch which way this is going to go.
711 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:06:15
Dont believe all wikki tells you lad. Redknap didnt "make" Bale, he was already recognised as a top talent, he cost around 7m as a kid. His injury was back in 2007/08 but Redknap chose others before him long after his recovery, he didnt become a first team regular for another 2years - and even then, it was only injury to others that forced Redknap to play "The Jinx"
And what`s this about diversion ? YOU made the claim.
I dont have to do my homework. I know who he has signed and he hasnt signed anybody who has become an established first team player who I hadnt already heard of.
Redknap may have signed players YOU hadnt heard of, but "most of us" ? ? ? . . Please
"Wilsonism" - first hand -witnessed it as it happened- knowledge, of stuf you cant google.
712 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:36:54
714 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:52:56
715 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:47:11
I suspect that Spurs will go for a continental coach, but if they don't, the merry-go-round could start in earnest in a couple of weeks time.
716 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:51:09
Trouble is your most recent first hand "Wilsonism" could be googled, hence I (we) don't take you seriously anymore.
Have we got a company jet then?
Can't we part-ex it for Pienaar?
717 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:01:34
719 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:02:10
720 Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:57:58
723 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:09:26
A. Shitting bricks
B. Talking to Spurs and trying to screw a healthy payoff for the remainder of his contract.
No lover of Moyes football but we will never be relegated whilst he is at the helm, if he goes I fear relegation within 2 seasons.
724 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:06:16
You can google it ? . . so I was right !
I wonder why you ("we") spend so much time trying and failing to disprove what I say. . . when you sooooo dont take me seriously.
Redknap has gone. Now we shall see
725 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:14:33
Big buddies Levy and Kenwright are already preparing the press release as we speak, and then Kenwright will be giving Walter Smith a ring for some recommendations on who he should hand pick for the job.
726 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:18:48
Moyes had achieved nothing when he got the Everton job. There are managers out there who've already achieved more who would be delighted to take the Everton job.
728 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:28:56
729 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:27:46
730 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:33:02
On a separate note,I doubt we'll see Heitinga's name being linked with other clubs in the papers.He wasnt great the other night but his defending tonight was terrible.
733 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:39:10
Lets see how long this drags out. If spurs want him, they should approach immediately, sort out any compensation with Kenwright (permanent signing of Pienaar maybe?), and let us get on with finding a new manager.
There isn't much quality out there for us if he does go, probably only Martinez from the top, maybe a gamble on Gus Poyet or Lee Clark.
I hear Guardiolas not doing anything....
735 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:38:10
736 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:37:35
I have hated the spoiling tactics that DM has used over the past seasons to enable us to stay in the premier league...BUT he has had very little alternative with the lack of support financially from our present inept board of directors.
He said that he wanted movement on the transfer front as early as possible to bolster our squad and keep us competitive.
All I have seen so far is rumours of us letting Baines and Fellaini go to follow the exits of Arteta and Pienaar....it really smacks of rats deserting a slowly sinking ship.
I reckon that DM has done a sterling job, time after time our team has rallied in the 2nd half of recent seasons to keep us away from relegation dog fights. I honestly believe we will struggle without him.
738 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:49:08
I just looked at the odds myself for the next Spurs manager and Moyes is basically the only man in the running according to the bookies,they must have inside knowledge.
740 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:54:40
Good luck Davey....
741 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:45:18
743 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:00:16
Didn't Whelan claim Martinez managed to screw new contracts for his backroom team, improvements to the training facilities, and money for signings to get him to stay? So all Davie has to do is tell Bill to splash the cash...
744 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:01:41
As for the bookies, they installed Martinez as hot favourite for the other job, didn't quite work out, so the next few days should reveal all.
745 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:01:46
746 Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:46:12
747 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:03:56
Did you keep a straight face when suggesting Bill splash the cash by the way ?
You are very switched on when it comes to anything financial Matt and I genuinely look to your comments regards money at the club, whats your 'gut' feeling here ?
748 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:10:51
750 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:05:59
He's been paid exceptionally well to do his job, and if he gets any praise then you've got to accept that it was Kenright that appointed him and kept him there.
If he goes I think this is more a sign that Kenright has admitted that any investment is a long way off and that top players / big names are going to have to go in the summer: I'd expect to see Baines, Fellani, Cahill and Jags go.
Relegation talk is nonsense though, the likes of Rodwell, Barkley, Duffy coming into the 1st team regularly and Jelavic being on form will stop that from happening.
752 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:21:14
753 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:33:50
755 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:42:01
756 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:41:15
William Hill had Moyes at 7/4 when I looked a few hours ago, now I can't find any odds at all for next spurs manager, been a long day so I may be being blind
8/13 with PPower..
757 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:43:14
758 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:11
759 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:46:24
760 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:25
761 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:39:41
Pardew has only been at Newcastle for one season and nearly got them into the Champions League. Get him off the wage bill (top earner, £3 million a year) plus he thinks he owns the club and treats the fans with contempt (rests 5 players for the derby). Everton will be better off and Spurs worse off in the long run.
Another 10 years of Moyes? NO THANKS!
764 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:52:46
I found that amusing, from the twitter feeds it seems to have been a rumour started on Talksport and dismissed by Talksport! Maybe there is more to come than on the article atm
765 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:58:59
Rogers for Liverpool was mega odds on before he was even 'officially approached'.
766 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:54:50
767 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:04:43
768 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:03:43
770 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:16:26
771 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:17:21
772 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:19:03
773 Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:35
774 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:30:14
775 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:30:35
776 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:37:44
Moyes hasn't won anything in 10 years. His biggest win 'in my opinion' was the FA Cup semi against United, when as anyone who was at Wembley that day would say we couldnt believe Sir Alex's team selection. We got a draw, and won on pens. Totally outplayed by Chelsea in the final, just as we would probably have been even if we beat the Shite this season.
Stability is what we get with Moyes, and that's not to be sniffed at by the way... It's just the feeling of "let's just have a go" and see what happens that I think we need to try.
777 Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:52:10
In a decade at Everton Moyes has kept the Merseysiders punching above their weight without too much cash to spend, taking them into the Champions League qualifiers in 2005 and finishing above neighbours Liverpool in seventh place last season despite large-scale spending across Stanley Park.
Moyes is hugely respected among his peers and by players in the game. He is regarded as a modern coach as well as manager and is notoriously reluctant to spend money unless he feels he is receiving value for money - which will certainly appeal to Levy.
The only doubt surrounding Moyes' suitability for Spurs appears some rather ludicrous theory about whether he is "glamorous" enough and whether he plays football in their flowing tradition. If Levy is conducting a search for a time-served Premier League manager rather than a beauty contest, then Moyes would be his man."
Now MY final words would be... we finished above Liverpool because their best player is a racist shite who got banned for 8 games, and he would have probably won them about 5 points in those games on his own....
779 Posted 14/06/2012 at 02:33:37
786 Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:22:16
As commented above, the PL is not really as good as it's made out to be, after all, the two best players in Europe play in La Liga. Therefore, after building up his side and proclaiming them to be the best he's had, we fall below the position he attained with a supposedly weaker side in 05. His staff are all defenders and the flair seems to be coached out of anyone showing potential, and sweating headless chickens seem to be preferred. Therefore, I think now, he has taken this club as far as he ever will, and it would do both him and Everton good to be given a fresh challenge. Bring on Bilic
797 Posted 14/06/2012 at 06:20:48
816 Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:03:33
I've seen some posts saying they are happy for moyes to leave and want ian fucking holloway in?!
Shit. the. bed.
818 Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:14:41
852 Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:28:49
854 Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:56:05
856 Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:57:39
He will never leave Everton to go to Spurs ...or anywhere else for that matter
Reason....He will have to deliver at Spurs...Levy wont accept KITAP1 and fininishing 7th as annual success....He wont accept not being able to beat the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea & the RS away from home in 10yrs...if he's dumped Deputy Dawg after what he's done there then Davie's got no chance.
Moyes has the safest job in the WORLD....huge salary, a Chairman who can see no wrong in him or his style of play despite not winning a thing in 10 yrs...a seasonal brief just to make sure we dont get relegated & anything else is a bonus....and a ready made 'we cant compete we have no cash' excuse.
Does anybody really believe that he will leave all that for a job where he will be EXPECTED to win things ??....not fuckin likely !!
857 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:04:57
Shows how stupid chairmen are..if Drogba hadn't equalised for Chelsea in the 88th minute of the Champions League final to set up extra-time and pens then Redknapp would have still had his job.
859 Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:49:36
No Ambition happy with his lot and the wages he gets.
WELL THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERTON
Moyes do One lets move on and maybe Just Maybe we will
get someone in who tells it as it is.
I would not hold my breath though, if he goes Baines and Felli to Spurs for £45/£50 M He will sell Bale for £40m so Levy happy, and dont count on Piennar coming.
Moyes will keep him at Spurs.
If this gets rid of Kenwright then I will be a happy man who can go back to GP and watch my Blue Boys.
Kenwright and his cronies OUT.
861 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:11:17
with Steve Round
but lets hope if Davey goes he takes Round with him.
Everton need to move on and we wont while Moyes stays.
Thanks Davey but Goodbye
863 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:03:31
My dad has been a Goodison regular since the 50s so I'm pretty sure he understands that football didn't start in 1992, and he's concerned that this may have serious repercussions.
I'm amazed that some people whine on and on about the damage that the board are doing to the club and then say they will go at some point and life will go on. It might not go on if we got relegated, with the debts we have that could be catastrophic for the entire future of the club.
866 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:27:49
The crucial decision is in the hands of those that need to produce the replacements.
867 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:23:52
'Death spiral' is one phrase that springs to mind.
If Moyes does go I thank him for the 9 out of the 10 years we've not had to worry about relegation and wish his successor 'all the best of luck - he's going to need it'.
I just hope it's not back to the Walter Smith/Mike Walker - 'shit-yourself-days' of propping up the league for 4 months of the season, last day escapes and buying worn out players like Ginola, pissheads like Gazza and crocks like Jesper Blomqvist
I think Ste Sweeney has it sussed - I wouldn't put it past Kenwright to take the cheap option and appoint Neville... it would be like a 'new signing'.
Scary days ahead - say what you like about Moyes, but you just knew he'd never take Everton down even with the shit hand Kenwright dealt him.
868 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:33:51
And Steve Sweeney, does that mean that if Moyes DOES go it shows you for what you are - ie wrong? Or do actions only prove what you want them to prove?
872 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:39:12
The thought of Round or somebody like Holloway in charge really worries me. I'm not saying there's no way they'd do a good job but it would be a big, big step into the unknown.
873 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:40:57
I was getting texts from spurs season ticket holder mates yesterday assuring me that Redknapp was off and a deal had been done 'ages ago' to get Moyes in. We'll see.
I heard that many many months ago - ie, Moyes would be Spurs' next manager - although not necessarily 'cos Spurs would let 'Arry Triffic go so soon - and he would get lolly to spend.
878 Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:13:11
The worst part of all of it is the general apathy of the fanbase which was divided by BK. PJ did far less than BK ever did yet his RS credentials crucified him, BK's misuse of his alleged blue credentials are a disgrace. Don't forget his Liver Birds appearance which smacked a little too close to reality given his statement decades later saying he feels pride when he hears their anthem - never in over 40 years have I ever heard another blue say this and I don't know a single blue who can even stay in a room if this is played or switch a radio off if it comes on.
884 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:09:27
You claim people act as if Kenwright and Moyes are EFC but who ?
they are seperate people in seperate rolls. Kenwright will still be here if Moyes goes to Spurs (or anywhere else).
Perhaps it`ll take Moyes to leave for the shortsighted to finally see where our problems really lie.
But they wont they will merely turn on the next guy just as they have turned on Smith and Moyes.
Those who have been claiming for years that "anybody" would be an improvement on Moyes are in for a very rude awakening. They will realise that the only thing they have accomplished is to deflect blame from Kenwright for the best part of a decade
887 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:26:46
890 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:30:33
Find posts and whole articles here and elsewhere making the claims that if either leave the club would fold Dave, if you are too lazy to look I could do it for you. Moyes has been BK's human shield for a decade admittedly keeping the team in the league but its a nonsense to say what the unknown would bring other than change as neither you or I know that as it hasn't happened.
891 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:12:27
My concerns would be that it just might be Moyes who is keeping us where we are. I agree totally that there's nothing to say we wouldn't improve or at least stay the same but there is a big 'what if' about it. Look at how Villa have plummeted since O'Neill left, how Chelsea have never quite been the same since Mourinho or how Bolton were safe under Megson (derided by fans for his tactics) but then brought in somebody who seemed to be a bright young manager but actually got them relegated.
I've got plenty of criticisms of Moyes but I have never doubted that we would remain around the top 10 at worst under him. Under somebody else, who knows?
892 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:35:00
Wasn't there a breakdown of finances in a newspaper a few weeks ago - which had us at ninth position for wages, net spend and turnover ? Add to this a £3m a season salary ( if they offer any new manager the same as Moyes ) a team with internationals in almost every position. A club which is only one of seven ever presents in the P.L. A £50m wageroll.
Stop looking into the past for how we will fare without Moyes. Football, wages, and our current squad are a million miles away from the relegation scraps of the 90's.
895 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:51:01
So our team is at the same level as Bolton,Blackburn and Wolves but Moyes alone is worth an extra 20 points a season.
897 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:51:54
Spurs have spent about 6 or 7 times as much money as Everton during that period Moyes has been in charge. Though it's inconvenient for some people to accept, this makes a bloody big difference to prospects!
Under Moyes, Everton's spending has consistently been around the 14th highest in the Prem. In terms of our final league position, Moyes has consistently delivered 6th or 7th.
As the LMA awards show, other managers are astonished by what Moyes has achieved on his budget. And I suspect very few would fancy the job of taking over, with expectations to do at least as well without spending any more money. Realistically, nobody's going to fancy that.
By the way, Harry Redknapp, with a squad worth a couple of hundred million, managed to take a side that finished 5th and 5th again in 2006 and 2007 and he took them to the dizzy heights of ... 5th and 4th.
899 Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:43:51
Maybe I didnt explain my question properly. I accept and agree some people like Dick Fearon and Richard have defended Kenwright, but even they wouldnt claim we Need to keep him - at least I dont think they would.
contrary to what you claim I dont belive anybody would choose Kenwright over a viable alternative.
I dont need to trawl the threads. Believe me, if I`d read somebody suggesting Moyes or Kenwright were EFC I would remember it. there is a difference between supporting somebody while they are here and believing they are irreplacebale.
I accept that if Moyes leaves that the only thing we know for certain is that ther will be change . .but there are a few on here who have claimed "anybody" would be an improvement and they WILL be proved totally wrong.
The guy who can bring entertaining footy and success to EFC despite the desperately poor backing this board may well be out there, somewhere.
But you can be very very certain Kenwright wont be finding him
901 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:06:20
What a lot of people are worried about though, is that a poor manager could drag them down. Is the squad a similar level to Wolves etc? No, it's better.
But is the Swansea or Norwich squad better than the Villa squad? No, but they managed to stay safe while Villa came very close to relegation.
Was the West Ham squad with Defoe, Johnson, Cole, Kanoute etc an obvious relegation candidate?
A manager does make a difference, that's why people hire and fire them...
903 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:08:00
904 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:19:32
The sale of players is something I think we need to do anyway but I can see them being sold for less without a manager compared to what they would go for under Moyes.
905 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:15:30
I'd also argue he is also our best chance for investment.
The replacements suggested such as Martinez and Holloway would be a huge gamble. Yes, Moyes can be negative and the football wasn't great at times last year, but the last 3rd of the season was much better (barring the Liverpool performances).
In my view Spurs would be as good if not better with Moyes. Redknapp is over rated in my opinion.
If Moyes shows loyality and stays at Everton I'd question the view that this was down to a lack of ambition. Moyes will be a very rich man regardless whether his next contract is with Spurs or Everton.
911 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:27:02
As you say, we may have to sell players anyway. Let's say Fellaini is sold for £20m and we get £6/8m of that to spend, I don't think that's being particularly outlandish. If we don't spend that wisely then is the squad that good?
If they played for another club would you be surprised if a team that regularly featured Hibbert, Neville, Distin, Cahill, Gueye, Coleman, Osman, Vellios and Anichebe went down? I know I wouldn't. In fact, if Baines and/or Jelavic were injured for any length of time I'd be very worried indeed.
912 Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:43:07
If Fellaini was sold then it would be a different team,if this team stayed together it would take something disastrous to get us relegated.We might have some average players but 3 out of 4 in our defence are very good,Fellaini is one of the best midfielders in the league and we have a regular goal scorer.Thats something most teams cant boasts.
If 2 or 3 of our best players were sold and replaced with average players then yeah we could really struggle.
917 Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:01:23
940 Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:13:46
Unfettered? Hahaha yet again. Financially shackled, chained, and stocked by ownership more like and nothing funny about it.
I hope he stays and gets some reasonable transfer budget to work with. Hardly likely, eh? You can't wait til he leaves. Fine. But whoever replaces him and is given the same "unfettered control", God help them. Kenright and them won't.
975 Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:05:06
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