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The Rumour Mill, Season 2011-12

Moyes is evens favourite for Tottenham job

13/06/2012 | Comments (199)
In a story so snappy it would make your head spin, Sprot 360 claim that, with rumours sweeping the 'Twittersphere' that Harry Redknapp has parted company with Tottenham, London bookmakers have made Everton boss David Moyes the early favourite to take over at White Hart Lane.

Unconfirmed reports on Tuesday night suggest Redknapp, 64, has ended his near four-year stay with north London club after a falling out with chairman Daniel Levy.

Bookmakers have wasted little time in drawing up their own shortlist for the post should the rumours prove accurate... with David Moyes the favourite for the position at evens.

Redknapp, however, has angrily refuted the rumours, calling them an outrage, and insisting that he has not reigned his position at the North London club.

Original Source: Sport 360

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Bob Parrington
539   Posted 13/06/2012 at 02:48:00

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Once again the media tries to make something happen. once again it's BS.
COYB
Robbie Shields
540   Posted 13/06/2012 at 04:33:19

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Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please be true :)
Shaun Brennan
543   Posted 13/06/2012 at 05:43:54

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Harry has come out and said he hasn't resigned... but mentioned he does have 1 year left on his contract......
Lloyd Farrell
544   Posted 13/06/2012 at 06:17:11

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If the rumour is true that Moyes is off to Spurs. . .

What available manager would be willing and able to take the hot seat @ Goodison and provide better results on the pitch given the financial mess we find ourselves in each year. . Answers on a post card to Toffeeweb.

I fancy Martinez from Wigan

Dave Wilson
545   Posted 13/06/2012 at 06:11:15

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He has Shaun, but that seems to be an increasingly uneasy relationship he has with Levy.

With the Liverpool, Villa and Chelsea sagas, we`ve all seen that good managers with solid CV`s are a little thin on the ground at the moment. Massive clubs are being forced to gamble. If Moyes gave the slightest hint that he was interested, I think he would definitely be on a very short list

The Ginger fella is about to be offered one of the most lucrative contracts in football, working for a soft as shite chairman who fawns all over him and because said chairman will never be able to back him financially Davey boy can drift towards retirement earning an absolute fortune, without ever having to put his reputation on the line.

Would he go to work for a "dont fuck with me" kinda guy like Levy who will surely want his pound of flesh ?

Sorry Robbie, He`s going nowhere. even if deep down inside he was actually bottling it, all he would have to do is declare his undying loyalty to Everton and his win/win situation will get even . .err winnier

Richard Dodd
550   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:13:01

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David Moyes will re-state his loyalty to Blue Bill and Everton in the next few days and will rightly be well rewarded for doing so. I presume he will insist on a 10% reduction in the offer his chairman puts to him!

IMWT.
Mike Green
551   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:20:39

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All this is is Redknapp pushing for a contract extension and a pay rise, end of story.
Kevin Sparke
552   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:17:32

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This rumour is one of the 'true' ones. It's all over The Times, The Guardian and The Telegraph - It's probably cockney geezer 'Arry playing brinksmanship with the Spurs board for a big payout; it's his style - and he'll probably get it - but if he doesn't, I'm quite certain Moyes will be approached for the Spurs job.

If he takes it - I give us two years before we're in administration as the Kenwright house of cards built upon an extraordinary manager who can deliver top half of the Premier League finishes on a mid Championship level budget collapses.

If Moyes goes it will be the worst day for Everton Football Club since the ban from Europe post Heysel Stadium disaster.

Scary times to be a Blue - as ever these days

Sam Hoare
555   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:47:32

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If he does go then surely after Rodgers and Lambert have moved on the only candidate left would be Martinez...and thats if he want to come. Otherwise we have to dip into the championship or test the risky foreign waters.

Many on here would celebrate the departure of Moyes. Like Kevin Sparke I would be nervous of our short term future without him. I reckon he'll be here for next season, but beyond that i'm not so sure...

Brian Harrison
557   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:42:06

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I agree Kevin that if Moyes does leave it will be a bad day for Everton. Yes I know some fans have critisized his style of play on occasions, but what nobody can argue is that he has delivered a far higher league position than could be expected from our outlay. Not just a one off season like Lambert and Rodgers have just had but consistently over 10 years, no mean achievement.

The only question mark Moyes might have is why would Levy sack a manager that had taken them from near relegation a couple of years back to 4th in the league. Most years this would have guaranteed Champions league football next year. So what would they expect from Moyes Champions league football every year, to me on their budjet that would be most unlikely.

Kevin Sparke
558   Posted 13/06/2012 at 08:52:29

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Brian (557) - Moyes can be one frustrating stubborn dour misery and his Everton teams have often reflected those traits on the field - but you can't argue with the facts and the facts are prior to Moyes 1 top 10 Premier League finish in 10 seasons 4 seasons (at least!) flirting with relegation - with Moyes 7 top half finishes from 10 - 1 season flirting with relegation.

The rumours are doing the rounds that Levy and Arry's relationship has been fractious since February because they lost a 12 point cushion between Champions League qualification as Levy blames Arry for taking his eye off the ball due to the flirtation with the England manager's job...

It really wouldn't surprise me if Moyes went - in fact even now I'd have it as 50-50 that he'll go - especially as Kenwright is likely to sell Baines and Fellaini to plug the financial leaks and satisfy the banks.

Peter Laing
559   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:07:04

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Because the Everton board is as weak as piss and evidently devoid of leadership or a strategy to move Everton forward we appear to be at the mercy of an almost daily onslaught, albeit it conjecture regarding our most prized assets and now even the Manager. Gone are the days of the bullish getting our business done early and Kenwright pushing the envelope, it appears that we are now at the mercy of the asset strippers and vultures in the press. Elstone needs to grow some balls and come out in the press and state that no player is going anywhere and if any unwelcomed bids our received then we need to be talking serious money and that any deal will be done on Everton's terms.
Peter Barry
560   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:09:28

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@ Robbie Shields # 540 Ditto!
Anthony Fox
561   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:24:21

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Peter and Robbie - Who would you replace them with on zero budget that will do a better job? I a bet who ever you suggest, that if they do take it and it does happen, you will both be calling for his head when we are fighting relegation!
John Ford
562   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:23:10

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Its a non story, as our Arry as confirmed otherwise.

Moyes must stay. Our finances seem to deplete annually and yet he manages to get decent returns on feck all resources.

I await the day when we are able to compete financially, at least with the likes of Newcastle and Villa. Moyes would then be in a position to move the club forward.

I agree with Peter Laing, although much of the summer press is bullshit, there comes a point when Elstone and Kenwright need to comprehensively nail the continuing crap, hype and speculation with a clear message.

Mike Elbey
564   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:22:46

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If you had told me in December that it was a possibility for Moyes to leave I would have prayed this was true. Ask me know and I sort of pray it isnt !

However one thing is fairly certain - the anual summer debacle has already begun with all our top players the subject of transfer speculation, no sign of any incoming business by ourselves and the optimism with which the season ended is rapidly being eroded away. This will inevitably lead to the normal shit start to the season as Baines / Fellaini / (or both) are sold at 23.50 on 31st August and BB tells us we ran out of time to get any players in, apart that is from some European has been on loan for 12 months.

As such it is certain that if Moyes stays, even accounting for the fact that the above scenario is hardly his fault, come December 2012 I will be wishing he had gone as the pragmatic style of football he will deploy to counter the loss of his best players will be as tedious as it was last season...

Paul Whittaker
565   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:42:15

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Moyes is the glue that holds this club together. If he goes this summer to Spurs, within two years I reckon all of our most prized assets on the pitch would have left and we will be watching the equivalent Gemmills, Barretts and Linderoths don the blue shirt. Phil Neville will be manager hoping he can impress enough managing shit to get a better job.
Edward Robinson
566   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:52:04

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Moyes is going NOWHERE!
Dave Wilson is spot on!
Even if Moyes were to to make a complete balls of the season after what he has had to work with in the past it would just be put down to lack of funds.
He's on a good number at Goodison as the Chaiman sees the sun shining out of his Arse!
Good luck to him I say and let's hope he now has some bargaining power to keep our top players and prise Pienarr back from Spurs!
Edward Robinson
567   Posted 13/06/2012 at 09:52:04

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Moyes is going NOWHERE!
Dave Wilson is spot on!
Even if Moyes were to to make a complete balls of the season after what he has had to work with in the past it would just be put down to lack of funds.
He's on a good number at Goodison as the Chaiman sees the sun shining out of his Arse!
Good luck to him I say and let's hope he now has some bargaining power to keep our top players and prise Pienarr back from Spurs!
Matt Traynor
568   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:10:06

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John #562 why should BK or RE come out and say anything? A sizeable proportion of the fanbase won't believe what they say anyway.
"We wouldn't sell Rooney for £50m" (to be fair, they didn't)
"The delay in Everton Place is due to IT difficulties" (Internal Turmoil?)
"We've reinvested all of the money received for Lescott, and more" (only to be immediately contradicted by Moyes)

As others have pointed out, Dave Wilson makes a very good point. DM is one of the highest paid managers globally, and under the least pressure. Another 10 year contract, and maybe his love for the club will be such that he'll buy it. He can probably afford to now.

Kevin Sparke
571   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:27:40

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Tell you what will be interesting - the very vocal 'Moyes out' cohort calling him a 'traitor' 'coward' and a 'shithouse' for leaving Everton should we fall on hard times after he goes... and working their way through all sorts of acrobatic verbal and intellectual semantics to suggest they actually supported him all along...

Watch this space

Matt Traynor
572   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:34:12

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Kevin, he's already had that thrown at him after the Anfield and Wembley derby matches.
Kevin Sparke
573   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:36:28

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Matt - on those occasions I tend to agree with them...
Barry Rathbone
575   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:24:24

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He would deffo go to Spurs "IF" approached. becaue realistically it's the only "step up" job he might get.

It's all there at Spurs if he's truly ambitious and not just happy picking up his world class salary for mid table comfiness.

He'll get spoken about in dispatches AS USUAL but the truth is "top 8" via "ends justify the means" football ain't acceptable to clubs who compete, his brand of football is increasingly looking outdated.

Kevin Tully
576   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:51:02

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There is no chance of Moyes going to Spurs.

Levy will not go for a " let's see where we are after 40 points " manager.

They want Champions League football, and I don't think Moyes has the bottle to go to a club where he will be under constant pressure to deliver.

If Harry goes - they will go abroad or for Martinez.

Doug Hast
577   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:53:23

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The problem is, wherever Harry goes, he always appears to be bigger than the club he's managing. Moyes won't move so the job will go to the Wigan boss Martinez; he likes to play attractive attacking football ? something that is difficult for Moyes to do. The Spurs fans want to watch a free-flowing game ? not the negative stuff we watch at Goodison Park!
Brian Harrison
579   Posted 13/06/2012 at 10:49:05

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Seeing Daniel Levy is a smart guy, it wouldnt surprise me if he has already spoken to Moyes about the possibility of joining Spurs if he sacks Harry. Unlike Liverpool I think if he does sack Harry he will appoint his succesor within a couple of days.

I think Moyes is a pretty loyal guy, but the prospect of having to sell your best players season after season must even stretch his loyalty. I would imagine the prospect of having a decent transfer kitty, plus if he sells Bale for in excess of £30 million he would be able again to make Spurs into realistic Champions league place.

Matt Traynor
581   Posted 13/06/2012 at 11:17:43

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Brian #570, you say Moyes must get tired of selling his best players all the time, then in the next sentence, suggest he'd have to sell Spurs best player? A player who so far has not given any indication that he needs to go, as he sees his current club as viable top 4/CL place contenders? NB: They just did what we did in 2005, except this time with Chelsea "doing an RS" and fluking the CL, they've had to drop down.
James Stewart
587   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:13:44

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The Guardian now reporting a similar story.

Craig Walker
588   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:10:39

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Tottenham is one of the few clubs that Moyes would see as progression. I can see this happening. He could use the sale of Baines and/or Fellaini as an excuse. The thing is though, he wouldn't improve Spurs. They would be no good in derbies and against the teams better than them meaning they'd finish 5th and 6th every year. They'd also underachieve in cup competitions and the faithful would not appreciate his defensive, hoofball approach.

If Moyes went I'd welcome a punt on Martinez. I think he plays good stuff, talks sense, has footballing principles and would work well with better players here than he has at Wigan.

Tony J Williams
590   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:26:24

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"he wouldn't improve Spurs" - How do you know, we have no idea what he would be like with better players to pick from.

Is that the defensive hoofball that we were playing since he brought in better players in January?

Gareth Fieldstead
592   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:10:12

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Wow the amount of fans on here who swallow all this crap of plucky Everton punching above there weight. The Premiership is rubbish end of. Yes Chelsea spawned the CL playing the most boring dull football I have seen since the Walter Smith years but let's remember our top two teams went out at the group stage. From 5th to 12th you can pick any two for EL places. Par dew got less than half the revenue raised from the sales of Carroll, Enrique, Barton and Nolan and until the last 3 weeks of the season they were still considered potential CL qualifiers. Four times we have played in Europe in the 11 seasons Moyes has been with us, hardly terrific stuff, Royle was sacked during his one and only poor run at the club and he managed to get us a couple of trophies. If it hadn't have been for Wimbledon and Uefa we would have qualified twice in two seasons under Joe. We play well when the pressure is off, every big game he bottles it.
Matt Traynor
593   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:36:14

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Craig, #588 Martinez will be on his way soon enough, I agree. One thing the whole saga with the RS search for a manager showed was what a fantasist his chairman is. He was giving hourly updates to any media outlet that would put him on air, detailing supposed details of conversations Martinez had had with Henry.

Now RS claim that they never offered the job to anyone until they offered it to Rodgers, and I'd be prepared to believe that. So the Chairman claiming they'd offered it to his man, but he was likely to turn it down probably didn't do Martinez any favours. I can't imagine if he does bail on one head-the-ball Chairman, why he'd opt for another.

Ged Simpson
594   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:34:26

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it's just the press with little to fill transfer pages due to Euro 2012 and the fact that Rednap is meeting Spurs boss today.

Every time some hack trots out some uninformed dross through a shite paper or site it triggers the same tired apoligest v Moyes-out squabble on this site.

Ged Simpson
595   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:40:03

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"No, I haven't resigned, and I have no idea why it is being suggested that I have resigned.

"This is an outrage; an absolute liberty for people to be putting around this kind of rumour on the internet.

"It is not true, there is not a chance I will resign. Why should I?

"I have a year left on my contract."

Mark Riding
597   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:44:22

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I read that Levy was going to sack Harry for blowing the champions league. They probablly budgeted signings etc on getting those riches. At one stage Spurs were looking title contenders and the interest in the England job happened to coincide with a huge dip in form.

Could Moyes such pressure ? He has not had a moments worry over his job in years !

Jimmy Kelly
598   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:30:32

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So Craig, you're confident that Martinez would be better with better players but you don't think Moyes would? That's interesting.

In addition to Tony's comments on the style of play, I thought we beat 4 of the 6 teams who finished above us this year? So suggesting we're 'no good' against them seems a bit harsh. Also, the teams above us are there for a reason...

James Stewart
600   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:54:02

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The scary thing about this story for me is not Moyes going but the prospect of Blue Bill choosing a replacement. I have no confidence he would choose a decent candidate
Paul Whittaker
601   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:58:12

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James - Bill will go for the cheap option which is promote from within - so pick one from Neville, Stubbs, Round or Weir as Everton's next manager.
Derek Williams
603   Posted 13/06/2012 at 12:59:50

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Kevin 552. Spot on!! Where else are we going to find a manager who consistently turns sows' ears into silk purses? Given our level of 'skintness' and limited transfer activity Moyes has performed miracles in not only keeping us in the top flight but challenging teams who have spent squillions. Including the RS.

How and why Evertonians find it witty or clever to criticise the man is beyond me.

Be careful what you wish for!! We would be in deep cack in no time.

Mark Riding
604   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:05:48

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Moyes is also 6/1 joint second favourite for the Man Utd job right now ( betfair ).. so I wouldnt read into bookies odds too much !
James Stewart
605   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:07:14

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Exactly Paul that list scares me to death.
Craig Walker
607   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:02:14

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Tony and Jimmy,

It's only a personal opinion but I think Moyes will always try and play KITAP1 wherever he goes. He'll always value players who give 100% and work hard over technical ability. I think there are better teams than Spurs in the league and there still will be with Moyes at the helm. I agree that it's all conjecture. Moyes' best when he takes players and improves them. I don't think he does as well with established ones.

I like Moyes. He's done well for Everton and brought in some good players down the years. We also owe him a debt for where he's taken us. However, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about the derby surrender at Wembley and other moments when his safety first approach has cost us. He lost respect for me by resting players for the Anfield derby.

It's only my way of thinking but I want to see an Everton team play with style and have a go. I'd settle for the odd derby defeat if we could come away thinking we played the right way. My faults with Moyes are that he'll always prefer a Phil Neville type player over someone with flair. Personally, I'd like a change of style.

Andrew Ellams
608   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:08:31

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Why would Martinez come to Everton? If he is likely to do a better job than Moyes at Everton, why Spurs not just choose him?

I don't think Moyes can take Everton beyond where they are now due to financial constraints and limitations in his own ability, but I don't think that there is anybody else out there right now who can improve on him unless there is a decent European manager desperate to get in to English footbal. Slaven Bilic maybe?

Mark Riding
609   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:14:38

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On the other hand, if Spurs lose both Modric & Bale during the summer.. wouldnt they become a bit of an 'average' side ??
Andrew Ellams
610   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:19:45

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The difference being Mark is that they would be an average side with
£50-60million burning a hole in their pockets
Dave Wilson
611   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:10:35

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This "KITAP1" is wearing very thin and looking increasingly silly.

Redknapp started last season with a strike force worth about 10 times that of the one Moyes had at his disposal.

Moyes was given mere £5m to give his team a cutting edge, from there on in his team played football comparable to the very best in the Premier League ? including anything Spurs produced.

Moyes has done far better than Redknapp in their head to heads down the years. the suggestion that Redknapp is good enough for Spurs, but Moyes isn't, is laughable.

There can be little doubt that the current Spurs board would always make more funds available to their manager than this current Everton board... but does moving to them constitute a step up? I don't think so.

Moyes is good enough for Spurs alright, but he`s managed Everton ffs.... The question has to be: Are Spurs good enough for him?

Lewis Barclay
612   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:31:38

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I had £20 on this to happen at 10-1 a few months back.

If he goes - lets go 'balls out' and get Di Canio in to work alongside Big Dunc as manager / 1st team coach and invite Tommy Graveson back as the team physio.

I reckon we'd get a few more decisions go our way.

[shit ... I'm a little scared that someone who 'runs' the club might read this and think it's a great idea]

Jimmy Kelly
613   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:18:32

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I understand your point Craig but I just think some of the arguments against Moyes are blown out of all proportion. As I say, the 'we never beat the good teams' is a great example. We all know the record away at 4 teams is awful but this then becomes 'we never beat teams above us' which is bollocks.

There's also the 'he doesn't like creativity, he just wants workers' argument. This persists despite the fact that he has signed Arteta, Pienaar, Van Der Meyde, Yakubu, Saha, Drenthe etc, none of whom were exactly renowned for their work rate. He also gets slated for playing Anichebe because he's lazy and Osman because he's not big and strong enough. Well you can't have it both ways!

He obviously has minimum standards that he expects players to adhere to with regards to effort and he won't tolerate people who don't meet them - good! If Guardiola asks Barca players to work hard why the hell shouldn't Moyes give a no mark like Drenthe a rocket for wandering round like a lost soul while the rest of his team works for a result.

Tom Bowers
614   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:35:15

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Some managers just get plain lucky. Villas-Boas had one good season then Chelski thought he was a world beater and look what happened. Redknapp has done the rounds and had some success with lower clubs but had turned Spurs around until he was linked with the England job when Spurs started to lose it.
Some managers even with money to spend still cannot get a good team together.
Just ask Hodgson and Dalglish.
I am sure with the right temptation Moyes will go and if so wherever that may be would his first aquisition be Osman?
Craig Walker
615   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:33:23

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Dave 611. You're right that there were good performances after Christmas and the signing of Jelavic, bringing Piennaar back and Donovan for a while was astute. I think you can take odd patches over his ten years and make a case for Moyes being great. The problem is that you can also take performances and runs of games which show his weaknesses. I still maintain that his main philosophy stems from being a defender himself. Keep it tight. Be workmanlike, well organised, do the simple things, track back etc.

I don't think it matters how much he has to spend. When you're 1-0 up in a final or semi-final at Wembley and more than holding your own, why do you resort to putting ten men behind the ball and lumping it into the channels? Moyes' teams do well when it doesn't matter. When there's expectation (like a semi-final, final, start of a season) they struggle because they resort to trying to be hard to beat.

Whenever we have done well it's because we've tried to play football and had a go. I think the two go together: play football, keep the ball, attack. I think you'll win more than you lose with that approach.

Mark Riding
617   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:44:41

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Andrew #610 - you obviously havent read tomorrows rumours yet ! I reckon they will go a bit like...
The Spurs Supremo Daniel Levy is planning a sensational triple swoop from plucky, cash strapped, good old Everton.
The iminient sales of Modric and Gareth Bale combined with the sensational sacking of Redknapp and Evertons perilous financial position.. have left the door open for the appointment of Moyes as manager and Baines and Fellani as Modric and Bales replacements.
Dave Wilson
618   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:45:02

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Craig

I have done the semi fianl argument to death tbh mate. I will never accept that you can blame a manager for losing a game when players made mstakes of that magnitude.

what I find amusing though is people pointing to our Anfield and Wembley defeats as examples of why Moyes isnt good enough for Spurs. . . especially when you look at the Spurs semi final or their last derby match

Was it just the 11 they conceded in those two games under Arry ?

James Stewart
619   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:49:21

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Have to agree with Dave Wilson and I never thought I would say that!

What makes Redknapp so special? He has not done that well considering the money he has spent. Spurs have every right to expect CL football after investing that much. The irony is they should have had it. Why both teams can't be included if the CL winner is from that country is beyond me.

Moyes would do well at spurs. He has consistently bought better than Redknapp with a tiny fraction of his budget and that is something Levy will be salivating over. Redknapp does not buy or promote youth. If you think Moyes is bad at blooding youth just take a look at harry's record! Moyes even with his tactical flaws is vastly superior to Redknapp. That coming from one of his biggest critics.

Craig Walker
620   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:44:46

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Jimmy 613. I totally agree. I think there are two polarised views of Moyes and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some people believe he is great and cite the signings of Cahill, Baines, Arteta etc as well as his consistent top 10 finishes, lack of funds and his various league managers awards. Others, look at cup exits to Oldham, Reading, Shrewsbury, poor starts to seasons, woeful performances in Europe and terrible derby record as dismissing him as hopeless. I think he is a good manager who has done well for Everton over ten years. No more or less than that.

I don't expect us to win every game but I do expect us to compete and I want us to play with a degree of style. I agree. he did something after our terrible start and invested in Jelavic, Piennaar and Donovan. Unfortunately, only one of those is a permanent signing. If he does stay, I'm awaiting what he does this summer. Let's remember that a couple of seasons back, Evertonians were talking about being possible outside title contenders and Moyes himself described his squad as his best ever. Let's see whether he is in the market for similar flair players or whether he starts chasing centre halves and third choice goalkeepers.

Mark Riding
621   Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:07:43

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James #619 - I live on the south coast, dont forget Harry nearly killed the two clubs down here. The verdict in his trial is still a strange one. Harry claims not to be able to work a mobile phone Etc..
Craig Walker
622   Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:08:47

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Dave 618. I disagree. I do blame Moyes for the final and semi final defeats. We never came out for the second half in both of those games. You felt a goal was coming for Liverpool well before Distin had his moment. The Chelsea final game is a more distant memory but I don't remember much in the way of attacking intent. Did we honestly look like getting a second goal at 1-0 in either of those games? A better manager would have encouraged his side to keep the ball but Everton just kept lumping it straight back to Liverpool. Moyes should have urged better ball retention but he didn't. He wanted to park the bus and hold out for 1-0. Hand on heart, when those games went to 1-1 did you expect any other outcome?
Jimmy Kelly
623   Posted 13/06/2012 at 13:50:12

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Don't get me wrong Craig, I agree with a lot of what you're saying and I'm certainly not someone who thinks Moyes is the greatest thing since sliced bread and nobody could replace him.

I think your post there highlights another of the things I was mentioning though. The idea that we don't play well under pressure. Is it really true? Was there not pressure on us in the quarter final against Sunderland? Or the semi against United? Although I agree that the tactics against Liverpool were wrong, was it really a case of losing because of the pressure or just a ridiculous mistake from Distin?

I'm not sure why we would be under more pressure at the start of a season than the end? At the start nobody really expects us to do well, a 7th placed finish would always have been seen as ok this year by most realistic fans so it's not as if people are saying they're going to win the league and they're bricking it. At the end of the year they are under pressure, because the first half of the season was bad and if they continue they might get relegated. So it would suggest they actually play better under pressure.

It also doesn't go with the fact that we never win away at the teams mentioned earlier. Theres zero pressure in those games because nobody expects us to win so why can't we do it?

It just seems like another of these things that people attach the significance that they want rather than what logic dictates. In reality we remember the losses in big games because they hurt more, and so have to find some reason for them. Usually it's because the other team has better players.

Dave Wilson
624   Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:15:04

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Like I said Craig, I`ve done the semi argument to death. I have absolutely no doubt that Moyes would have encouraged his players to hold onto the ball.

I`m not going to hammer Disitn, he`s had a great season, but the manager who can legislate for howlers such as that one has yet to be born.

this thread is about Moyes and Spurs

Craig Walker
625   Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:16:08

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Jimmy 623. Good points. I think the Sunderland away game though was one performance which genuinely surprised me. I thought we'd blown it after the home tie. The away leg was how I thought we would perform in the semi final but we didn't and that's why it hurt so much. That's exactly why the money argument doesn't wash. They proved that this group of players could perform when it mattered. We were above them in the league but seemed to fear Liverpool. Why? You're right that the big games are the ones we remember but that's simply because after 20 odd years of little success, the big games are the ones we need to win in order to return to where we think we belong. Losing them just rams home how far we've fallen.

Football is such a fickle game though. I have a mate who is a Villa fan. John Gregory was their manager and got them to a cup final which they lost to Chelsea in a boring final. The day after, he and a lot of other Villa fans wanted Gregory out. It just highlighted to me how there are maybe 3 or 4 teams who will not be disappointed each season. If you look at last season, which teams would be happy with their lot? I'd say Man City, Newcastle, Norwich, Swansea and then Stoke and Wigan maybe, off the top of my head. QPR stayed up but spent quite heavily. Arsenal aren't what they were. United lost it. Liverpool are as far off the top as ever. Tottenham blew their chance. Villa had a shocker. We had a good 2nd half of the season.

Lloyd Farrell
626   Posted 13/06/2012 at 14:05:18

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Hasnt ole Arry hung on to the coat tails of Moyes's transfer targets for the last few years, Bidding more, offering more in wages to secure the player.

If Moyes tried to pick his nose, I'm sure Arry would jump in and pick it for him.
Moyes is the better manager of the two.

I would be guttered if Moyes leaves us, I think we would be truly fkd.

Tony J Williams
629   Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:20:29

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"It's only a personal opinion but I think Moyes will always try and play KITAP1 wherever he goes." - That's a valid "opinion"; however a valid fact is that once he managed to get better players in his team in January, he didn't just try and keep it tight and nick one.

Imagine what he can do with a midfield of Van Der Vaart, Bale, Moderic, Lennon and a forward line of Dafoe and Adebeyor instead of having to pick Osman, Anichebe and Cahill?

Craig Walker
632   Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:29:34

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Tony 629. He had those better players at Wembley though. We were above Liverpool in the table (to which he deserves credit). In the interviews before the game, he talked our chances down and made LFC favourites. We had a good go for the first half and then looked like a rabbit caught in headlights.

There'll be nobody more pleased than me if Moyes has realised that playing football is the way forward. I'll be his biggest fan, assuming he stays, if that's the way we go. If he leaves for Spurs then good luck to him. I hope he does well with them.

We'll see though eh?

Thanks for the exchange of views though on this thread.

Paul Foster
633   Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:40:46

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Brian (557), I feel the need to address this Redknapp-perpetuated myth that he took a side from "near relegation" to 4th in the Premier League. It seems to have escaped everybody's notice that Spurs finished 5th the season before he joined. And the season before that!

Yes, they had a shite start to the season (shortly before he took over) but that happens. Given the amount of money they'd already spent, it was a dead cert that they'd return to their natural position before long. Harry had the easiest job in the world overseeing the inevitable (and then constantly telling everybody he turned round a relegation-threatened club).

Like most things that come out of Redknapp's mouth it's absolute nonsense. He's a master of creating his own myths and ensuring they're spun and respun in the papers.

Craig Taylor
634   Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:35:42

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I can't understand how Martinez's name keeps cropping up for jobs/potential jobs.

For all Moyes bad points (and I am a fan of his) he has over performed with the funds etc he has had to work with.

Martinez has scraped through every season with Wigan, never been close to over performing.

If Moyes was to go now I think we would need some one with foreign experience...breed a different style into the team and club.

Dick Advocaat, Slaven Bilic.

I wouldnt have minded a gamble on Solskjaer either but having turned down the villa he is probably not an option.

A problem with the above and many others will be money. So a big punt could be Glenn Hoddle....wow, wow, wow hear me out!

1. He would love to get back into management (Hear him on talksport when ever he is interviewed).
2. He has a lot of experience, internationally too.
3. Though possibly been out of the top level game for a while he comnpletely in touch with the modern game and player through his coaching networks etc.
4. Would think he has a number of strong connections through out europe.
5. Scouting wise, he spends a lot of time abroad and would expect he has a good knowledge of players through europe at all levels, and as a bove a number of connections.

Jem Traynor
635   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:00:14

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More Media guess-timations with absolutely no Gravitas what-so-ever!! I'll be very surprised if the thought's the lazy journo's are projecting have ever even entered DM's mind at all!!

636   Posted 13/06/2012 at 15:54:58

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Arry is a dodgy *ucker, he s had questions about finances forever, spurs have had to realise the hard way-get rid, moyes , if this happens please GO to spurs if you get a call( I doubt it) or anyone else that may call, you boring negative twat. MOYES OUT. but why as many have said, would he ? the prick has got it made, 3 mill, is it each year? all you guys who defend this dick, I don t understand, we took a gamble on moyes, it was good for 5 yrs, its been dross for the last five. time for someone new, and before I get called allsorts, I have been an Evertonion 45 yrs. COYB-without moyes
James Stewart
637   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:05:32

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Craig Taylor you are spot on with regards to Martinez. He talks a good game but he has always been struggling relegation not someone I rate highly. Lambert and Rogers both outperformed him in their first seasons in the league.

Bilic is an interesting shout. He has just taken a job after the euros though so not an option.

Don't really rate advocaat and have always found him to be a bit of a prick.

Hoddle has been out of top flight management far too long. I liked him at the time but he never did anything of note after England. He would be a crazy choice. If Moyes leaves I don't think Bk will go outside "the family" so expect Neville, Weir, Round etc Or memory lane candidates like Reid, Royle,

Keith Glazzard
638   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:34:47

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Round as the next manager. Be afraid ... etc. Unfortunately not impossible when you consider what happened at Wolves.
Eddie McBride
639   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:00:38

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I think that this thread has proved why this website is so popular; you get good intelligent argument from both sides of the debate. Then, all of a sudden, the village idiot comes on @634. My personal opinion is that Moyes took us as far as his abilities allowed a long time ago, so he can go or stay; with Kim Jong Bill at the helm, we are going nowhere...
Paul Doyle
640   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:45:12

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Ginger nuts will not be going anywhere!

Why? Because he will be found out as the defensive-minded safety-first non-football manager he is, I can just see Modric's or Bale's kipper when Sergeant Moyes kicks off at them for not tracking back.

Personally, if true, I would gladly put him on the five past nine.
Steve Smith
641   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:55:49

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Moyes out, Holloway in, that'll do me
Peter Lee
642   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:26:05

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Since 1983 this man has managed Bournemouth, WHU, Portsmouth,Soton, Portsmouth again and Tottenham. During that time he has bought and sold more players than anyone I can think of, often buying from previous clubs, sometimes paying outlandish fees, seling on quickly at lower ones. By his own admission he was receiving percentages of those transfers with the Chairmen's agreement.

His former club Portsmouth ended up in administration. Would that have been the case if the manager (and yes I know the chairman backed him) had been less profligate?

I know of a former premier league manager who described how he hated dealing with Redknapp over transfers. The reason wasn't because of needing to get the best deal, with Harry involved things were involved. If you catch my drift.

In terms of the man's record over the last 10 years compared to Moyse, Reknapp first took over Portsmouth in 2002, so start from there, would we really rather have had free-wheeling, attractive football-playing Harry and his record with those clubs. If Moyse had the money to spend that Harry did then HK's record would pale even more by comparison.

Before the usual suspects line up for a "Yes please" at the prospect of Moyes moving on, tell me who has out-performed him in the past ten years and who you would guess could do so in the future given Everton's situation.

Let me help with the first list of oustanding performers.

Martin O'Neil
Mark Hughes
Roy Hodgson
Steve Coppell
Steve Bruce
Gareth Southgate
Steve McClaren

Alan Pardew

Redknapp is not alone in the company of these charlatan's.
My only surprise is how they get another job!

Oh, and Southgate, FA technical director !!!

Tony J Williams
643   Posted 13/06/2012 at 16:55:29

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"Tony 629. He had those better players at Wembley though" - Not our playmaker in Pienaar we never.
Craig Taylor
645   Posted 13/06/2012 at 17:06:06

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Shit forgot the Bilic to Lokomotiv move.

As I said , I know Hoddle would be a huge gamble. But we would be taking a punt on anyone 'in our reach'

In the end I think we have to be happy with what we have got!

Craig Walker
646   Posted 13/06/2012 at 17:13:38

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Tony 643. True. Fair point.
Nick Waters
648   Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:01:34

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Tony, do you mean Tottenham player Pienaar who played at Anfield?
Aiden Doyle
649   Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:16:53

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Peter, I really can't stand Redknapp either but, to be be fair to the (dodgy wheeler-dealing, excessively jowled bastard of a) man, I'm pretty sure that he only took a cut on transfers that generated a profit for the club.

For example, Defoe was bought for £7.5 million and sold for £15 million, leaving Harry to take a slice out of the £7.5 million profit. Saha was acquired for nothing in January, and will probably sold on for a million or so in the summer... leading to another nice contribution to Uncle 'Arry's retirement fund, despite the ridiculous amount of money that Spurs must have wasted on King Louis' wages in the meantime.

Actually, I think I see your point.

Barry Rathbone
650   Posted 13/06/2012 at 18:22:42

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Peter Lee

Clearly you hate Redknapp but if you think he's the only greedy football employee you're kidding yourself and you negate the blame of Pompey's demise by acknowledging the thicko chairmans part in it so why say it.

His speed in the transfer market wheeling and dealing is in stark contrast to Moyes who could do with sharpening up in that respect given our skintness.

Redknapp is a good manager he gets good players most of us haven't heard of and his teams are exciting, he won the FA cup with Portsmouth and his Spurs outfit tore up the Champions League AT THE FIRST ATTEMPT! (not on Moyes CV despite 10 yrs unfettered control).

PLUS he got Gareth Bale playing - remember Bale hardly got a game under the Dutch Moyes - Jol.

As for your list - how many of them had 10 yrs at a club?
Did any win anything - I can think of at least one who did.

James Flynn
652   Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:24:22

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Barry (650) - "10 yrs unfettered control"

Now, really. Unfettered? Hahaha. Good one.

Dave Wilson
653   Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:08:27

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Redknap didnt rate Bale, he left him out for yonks and only gave him a game when spurs had a left sided crisis.

Love to see a list of those players Harry gets who most of us havent heard of.

Steve Smith
654   Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:39:12

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Most of his signings were recommended by his dog, he knows his stuff that dog, got his own bank account and that.
Jimmy Kelly
660   Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:51:50

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Oh of course Nick, Pienaar played at Anfield and we lost, therefore he would have made no difference whatsoever to the semi final result, that's exactly how football works. Thanks for pointing it out.
Ian Bennett
666   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:07:40

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We could go for Bruce arena, get mcbride as offence coach, John harkes as defence coach, sign Donovan and Dempsey.


USA
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Eugene Ruane
668   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:13:37

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Fuck Hoddle off, he'd cause murder.

Imagine it, a player goes in for a 50-50 ball, gets a bad injury and ends up on crutches.

When asked to comment, Hoddle says "Serves him right, that's what you get for robbing a turnip in 1638!"

Ian Bennett
669   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:27:39

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Where's jimmy - surely he's got to be tipping drenthe for Moyes job?
Andy Crooks
671   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:26:05

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Dave Wilson, you were spot on with your first post. David Moyes is going nowhere. He has the respect of his peers, he is adored by the media, he earns a fortune, he has the chairman eating out of his hand and, it seems to me, he is admired by a huge number of Evertonians.

I have expressed the view for a number of years that I think we could do better but I have come to realise that it is a pointless argument.

Mark Riding
673   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:40:06

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Eugene #668 - Your comments on Hoddle are ( even if tongue in cheek ) spot on.
His comments on disability were, for someone in such a public postition, totally outrageous.
I have my own reasons for saying this, but Im sure our club captain would struggle if he got the job also.
Barry Rathbone
676   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:50:19

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James Flynn

If you think Moyes doesn't have complete control you are more ill informed than your posts normally suggest.

Barry Rathbone
680   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:54:53

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Dave Wilson

"Redknap didnt rate Bale" - spoke to 'arry did you or is this another Wilsonism dressed up as fact?

Not that it matters because even assuming your right he ended up getting the best out the kid - again something not really on the Moyes CV - certainly not in an attacking sense.

Jimmy Kelly
682   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:08:55

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Of course he doesn't have full control Barry, nowhere near.

He might have the final say on a lot of things but if you think he has full control over wage budgets, player sales etc you're living in cloud cuckoo land. I don't even think the board have total control nevermind Moyes. If the banks say jump we say how high.

He didn't want to sell Beckford last year but was told that the offer was too good for us to refuse for a squad player. He was effectively told that unless he saw him as a regular starter he was off, unless we wanted to sacrifice somebody else who might make more money.

Andy Crooks
683   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:11:05

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Mark, if I thought for one minute that Hoddle made and defended his comments about disabled people I would be appalled. I think he may not have. He certainly believed he was totally misquoted and misrepresented . I certainly think that he would be an excellent Everton manager. Experienced, ruthless with flair and something to prove. It would be a chance I'g love to see us take.
Barry Rathbone
685   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:21:48

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Jimmy

When you start your post saying:

"Of course he doesn't have full control Barry, nowhere near."

Then immediately say:

"He might have the final say.... "

You're not really getting the point are you?

In his remit he is completely in control as he has said himself, it is why Chairman Kenwright appeared snuggled up with him recently on SKY cooing - "he's the boss".

Or do you think I was talking about whether he chooses the fig rolls or digestives?

Jimmy Kelly
688   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:32:15

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Nice work in editing the quote to suit your point Barry but that's not quite what I said is it?

Being asked to make Hobson's choice all the time and so 'having the final say' is not quite the same as total control, wouldn't you agree?

There's only one of us not getting the point, I'll give you a clue - his name's Barry.

Anthony Jaras
689   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:43:29

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Redknapp has gone according to Richard Keys in Twitter.

Paddy Power have suspended betting on Moyes taking the job and strangely, Benitez has just cancelled a scheduled appearance on Talksport tomorrow night.

Read into all that what you will.

Dave Wilson
690   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:37:35

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Barry Rathbone

ASSUMING I`m right ? check your facts mate. Redknap would not play Bale until he had to. He won the raffle when Bale proved him wrong. I didnt have to speak to Redknap I just had to count up the months he left him out of the team.

While we are at it, how did Arry do with Pienaar ? . . . "in an attacking sense" of course ?

And hows that list of players Redknap gets that most of us havent heard of coming along ? you know, the one you actually thought existed.

Barry Rathbone
691   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:40:53

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Jimmy

You said it.

The words "final say" are yours, if you don't think they indicate control what can I say?

"Hobsons choice" or inability to buy and sell well and quickly enough?

You conveniently ignored the "he's the boss" quote as well, think you're kidding yourself on Jimmy if you don't think Moyes has complete control at Everton.

What you're hinting at is he hasn't got a transfer budget like the money boys, trouble with that is those managers really aren't in control, Abramovich, Mansoor, Fenway are - now that's control.

Ian Bennett
694   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:00:47

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Sky sports saying red knapp to leave spurs.
Barry Rathbone
695   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:55:05

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Dave Wilson

So your saying you're analysis of the evidence AS YOU SEE IT is right again.

The lad being injured and having a operation during that period played no part in his absence from the team then?

The REAL POINT of making the best of Bale is going right over your head, and as for your usual diversion in this case Redknapp's transfer lists do your own homework you lazy bugger and report back to me with how many you'd heard of prior to signing. (I want graphs as well with %'s)

Jimmy Kelly
696   Posted 13/06/2012 at 21:55:12

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No Barry, you're definitely missing the point now!

The words used were 'total, unfettered, and full' and yet you're now just saying control. Yes he has some control but not' total control, full control or unfettered control'. He has said before that nothing happens without his approval but he's basically just rubber stamping things. He's saying that nobody buys and sells players over his head as happens at other clubs, but he has no control over the FACT that we have to sell, not to buy but to survive.

The 'he's the boss' quote from Kenwright you mean? I'm not conveniently ignoring it, just completely ruling it out. It never ceases to amaze me that people accuse Kenwright of lying through his teeth 99% of the time but then quote him as if it's gospel when it suits them.

Doesn't buy and sell quick enough? Jesus Barry you really must be on cloud cuckoo land - we have no money and about 2 saleable assets! You keep repeating the cliches you've heard other people say and let other people worry about what's really going on eh?

Kevin Tully
697   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:04:42

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4/6 on Moyes as next manager of Tottenham. Don't waste your money.
Ian Bennett
698   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:08:33

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Kevin - I'll happily wager 20 quid he does.
Phil Rodgers
700   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:15:33

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Love him or loathe him I think this is the end boys and girls
Steve Burgess
702   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:12:58

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So to all the Moyes haters - your wish might be about to come true - who will improve the club and actually want the job?
Alan Clarke
703   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:10:06

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Is anyone really that arsed? We're in a state of complete inertia under the Kenwright-Moyes axis. Between the 2 of them they've brainwashed the vast majority of Evertonians into thinking we're a little club and should be grateful for top half finishes. If Moyes can take that mentality to Spurs or Man U, I'd be quite happy.

I'd happily take a new manager who had some balls - balls to go into games believing we can win and balls to stand up to his inept chairman. I'd also like a manager who doesn't suffer from bipolar disorder.

Barry Rathbone
704   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:11:00

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Jimmy

Stop with the pedantry, it's crap.

Moyes has total unfettered control, he does what he wants when he wants - he doesn't travel in the company jet because we don't have one, he doesn't buy Ronaldo because we don't have the dough.

Beyond having a perfect club with unlimited money he is in total control it really is that simple.

If you're saying he's not in total control because he doesn't have everything his little heart desires you are not living in reality.

We only have 2 saleable assets? please say you've said this as a joke.

Mark Jones
705   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:23:20

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Looks like it is the end. We will be worse off without him.
Early shout for Harry Redknapp??
Mark Jones
706   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:23:20

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Looks like it is the end. We will be worse off without him.
Early shout for Harry Redknapp??
Kevin Tully
707   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:21:18

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You're on Ian - I will donate your winnings to a charity of your choice and vice versa.

I personally think Moyes would be a fool to leave Everton. £3m a year - wasn't he 12th highest paid manger in football ? No pressure, and no expectations.

If he does go, it won't be a disaster for us. If, and it's a big if, we are offering the same salary to the next manager, I think we could do well.

Someone mentioned Benitez, would piss the R.S off no end. Ha Ha.

Jimmy Kelly
708   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:19:56

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It's not pedantry Barry, there's a bloody big difference between total control and a bit of control.

Try actually reading what I'm saying. It's nothing to do with not being able to sign whoever he wants or having millions to throw away.

His level of control is basically 'the bad news is you have to sell 2 players this window and reduce the wage bill, the good news is you're in control of who it is.'
I've never disputed that he has the final say but it is not anything like total control. If my mrs said I could go out for a pint whenever I wanted, as long as it was friday or saturday, then I made the final decision but I didn't have total control, do you see?

Yes 2 saleable assets was a slight exaggeration but only slight. In terms of wheeling and dealing we have maybe 5 players who would command big enough fees to be able to replace them and try to use the money elsewhere.

Barry Rathbone
709   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:36:19

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Jimmy

Let's just agree to disagree on the word "total"

I wouldn't like to be thought of as a control freak.

(I'm not laughing..... honest!)

Matt Garen
710   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:33:21

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So, finally we reach the point where both sides of the moyes fence get to find out who was correct.

Unfortunately I've a hunch which way this is going to go.

Dave Wilson
711   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:06:15

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Barry

Dont believe all wikki tells you lad. Redknap didnt "make" Bale, he was already recognised as a top talent, he cost around 7m as a kid. His injury was back in 2007/08 but Redknap chose others before him long after his recovery, he didnt become a first team regular for another 2years - and even then, it was only injury to others that forced Redknap to play "The Jinx"

And what`s this about diversion ? YOU made the claim.
I dont have to do my homework. I know who he has signed and he hasnt signed anybody who has become an established first team player who I hadnt already heard of.

Redknap may have signed players YOU hadnt heard of, but "most of us" ? ? ? . . Please

"Wilsonism" - first hand -witnessed it as it happened- knowledge, of stuf you cant google.

Ian Smitham
712   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:36:54

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Barry #704, How do you know we do not have a company jet? What made you mention company jet? If the company wanted a company jet and did not have one, how could they (and who are they ?) get one?
Kunal Desai
714   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:52:56

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Redknapp leaving Spurs within the next 24 hours, paves the way surely for Moyesy to move. If he does, best of luck.
Keith Glazzard
715   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:47:11

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Moyes is favourite for the Spurs job - fact. Bookies only know what punters tell them in hard cash and I would be very surprised if much of that had come from the Spurs board.

I suspect that Spurs will go for a continental coach, but if they don't, the merry-go-round could start in earnest in a couple of weeks time.

Barry Rathbone
716   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:51:09

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Dave Wilson

Trouble is your most recent first hand "Wilsonism" could be googled, hence I (we) don't take you seriously anymore.

Ian Smitham

Have we got a company jet then?

Can't we part-ex it for Pienaar?

Roberto Birquet
717   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:01:34

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Oh Shit!
Gavin Ramejkis
719   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:02:10

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Lion from Wizard of Oz officially left spurs on BBC News website now
Steve Smith
720   Posted 13/06/2012 at 22:57:58

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Well he's definitely gone so we'll see if the bookies are right won't we?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18436663

Dave Lynch
723   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:09:26

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I bet Kenwright is doing one of two things right now.

A. Shitting bricks

B. Talking to Spurs and trying to screw a healthy payoff for the remainder of his contract.

No lover of Moyes football but we will never be relegated whilst he is at the helm, if he goes I fear relegation within 2 seasons.

Dave Wilson
724   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:06:16

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Barry

You can google it ? . . so I was right !

I wonder why you ("we") spend so much time trying and failing to disprove what I say. . . when you sooooo dont take me seriously.

Redknap has gone. Now we shall see


Steve Smith
725   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:14:33

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Moyes is probably on holiday at the mo, and being a thrifty Scotsman, he's probably in a caravan in Morcambe with it pissing down outside and loving it because it reminds him of home.

Big buddies Levy and Kenwright are already preparing the press release as we speak, and then Kenwright will be giving Walter Smith a ring for some recommendations on who he should hand pick for the job.

Alan Clarke
726   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:18:48

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Sorry, I don't get this relegation bollox if Moyes goes. You've been brainwashed. That's why Moyes and Kenwright have had it so cushy, because fans think all our players will leave and we'll be relegated. What about at home to Norwich and Bolton this season? What about going to a gunfight with a knife? What about the fact that every season we're completely unprepared after another ill thought out pre-season? Honestly out of 10 years of Moyes, you'd do well to count 30 decent performances. I'll be more gutted to wake up tomorrow and find out he hasn't gone.

Moyes had achieved nothing when he got the Everton job. There are managers out there who've already achieved more who would be delighted to take the Everton job.
Matt Traynor
728   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:28:56

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Steve #725, Moyes is due to arrive into Warsaw tomorrow to join the ITV pundit team. Could be interesting to see if he pulls out, or what he says when inevitably asked.
Sean Patton
729   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:27:46

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I would not read too much into Moyes being odds on for the job as Redknapp himself was a similar price for the England job.
Paul David
730   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:33:02

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The bookies dont usually get it wrong,I pray he gets the job.

On a separate note,I doubt we'll see Heitinga's name being linked with other clubs in the papers.He wasnt great the other night but his defending tonight was terrible.

Jimmy Stenn
733   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:39:10

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If Moyes does go, I would have gone for Lambert. Unfortunately he got off the managerial merry-go-round a little while ago and it seems as though Moyes has just been pushed on it.

Lets see how long this drags out. If spurs want him, they should approach immediately, sort out any compensation with Kenwright (permanent signing of Pienaar maybe?), and let us get on with finding a new manager.

There isn't much quality out there for us if he does go, probably only Martinez from the top, maybe a gamble on Gus Poyet or Lee Clark.

I hear Guardiolas not doing anything....

Kevin Sparke
735   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:38:10

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Paul David- the bookies invariably get it wrong just a little bit less than the odds they give out- thats why they all don't go out of business.

Trevor Lynes
736   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:37:35

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I dont know if the rumours are unfounded or true...BUT I believe a lot of players will want to leave if DM goes to Spurs.

I have hated the spoiling tactics that DM has used over the past seasons to enable us to stay in the premier league...BUT he has had very little alternative with the lack of support financially from our present inept board of directors.

He said that he wanted movement on the transfer front as early as possible to bolster our squad and keep us competitive.

All I have seen so far is rumours of us letting Baines and Fellaini go to follow the exits of Arteta and Pienaar....it really smacks of rats deserting a slowly sinking ship.

I reckon that DM has done a sterling job, time after time our team has rallied in the 2nd half of recent seasons to keep us away from relegation dog fights. I honestly believe we will struggle without him.
Paul David
738   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:49:08

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Jimmy I thought the club might try use Pienaar in any deal for Moyes but Moyes loves him and would want him at Spurs,I also think this has happened to late and we've missed out on a couple of top targets to replace him.I have a feeling the club will go for Holloway.

I just looked at the odds myself for the next Spurs manager and Moyes is basically the only man in the running according to the bookies,they must have inside knowledge.

Mark Riding
740   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:54:40

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Official - Redknapp GONE !!!

Good luck Davey....

Shaun Lyon
741   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:45:18

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Living in exile beyond north London and in a largely Spurs-supporting area, I was getting texts from spurs season ticket holder mates yesterday assuring me that Redknapp was off and a deal had been done 'ages ago' to get Moyes in. We'll see. The thing is that they are obsessive to the point of being boring about playing attractive football 'the Spurs way' (which they've had under Redknapp of course - not that it stopped him getting slagged off when results went pear-shaped at the end of the season). I personally think Moyes would be an odd choice for them, as a pragmatist rather than a purist. But maybe I'll be proved wrong. I admit I fear for us if it happens, but will quite look forward to seeing their fans reaction to say, a 4-6-0 formation to QPR at home when injuries bite and Levy refuses to cough up for a new striker......
Matt Traynor
743   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:00:16

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Mark #740, old news on this thread!
Didn't Whelan claim Martinez managed to screw new contracts for his backroom team, improvements to the training facilities, and money for signings to get him to stay? So all Davie has to do is tell Bill to splash the cash...
Davie Turner
744   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:01:41

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If Moyes goes then good luck to him, he can get a team playing great football, he can also be dire at times. Personally, I hope he doesn't go, if we can keep the players we have, maybe sell a couple of the fringe and bring in Pienaar and 1 or 2 more I think we'd see more of the good side of Moyes. Still either way, if he is offered it and wants it good luck. As for a replacement, no idea, Martinez is flavour of the month but I am not sold, Bilic though, probably my pick as of right now.

As for the bookies, they installed Martinez as hot favourite for the other job, didn't quite work out, so the next few days should reveal all.

Paul David
745   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:01:46

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Shaun its for them reasons I dount Moyes would last longer than a year at Spurs,its makes as much sense as Newcastle giving the job to Allardyce.Both of these clubs supporters value entertainment above points and I cant see Moyes giving the Spurs fans what they want.
Carl Triggs
746   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:46:12

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It's not looking good, is it? But if Moyes goes then we'll just have to deal with it. What's worrying is that few managers worth their salt would be attracted to a job with no transfer funds. My first choice as replacement would be Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. He's been winning titles in Norway. He knows the English Premier League inside out. It would be natural progression.
Mark Riding
747   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:03:56

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Matt, I waited until made official as so much shite has been posted on twatter etc. today..
Did you keep a straight face when suggesting Bill splash the cash by the way ?
You are very switched on when it comes to anything financial Matt and I genuinely look to your comments regards money at the club, whats your 'gut' feeling here ?
Brian Williams
748   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:10:51

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David Moyes isn't going to Spurs..............and it'll be a big shock to most when it's announced who is! ;-)
Lewis Barclay
750   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:05:59

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I think Moyes has done good job in some tricky circumstances over the last ten years 7 out of 10.
He's been paid exceptionally well to do his job, and if he gets any praise then you've got to accept that it was Kenright that appointed him and kept him there.

If he goes I think this is more a sign that Kenright has admitted that any investment is a long way off and that top players / big names are going to have to go in the summer: I'd expect to see Baines, Fellani, Cahill and Jags go.

Relegation talk is nonsense though, the likes of Rodwell, Barkley, Duffy coming into the 1st team regularly and Jelavic being on form will stop that from happening.

Mark Riding
752   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:21:14

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Brian #748 - Got to be King Kenny then !
Steve Smith
753   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:33:50

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Moyes now 2/5 to get the job from 6/4 two hours ago
Mark Riding
755   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:42:01

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Steve.. Lets hope Bill got 6/4 then eh !
Davie Turner
756   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:41:15

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Moyes 4/9 on Ladbrookes
William Hill had Moyes at 7/4 when I looked a few hours ago, now I can't find any odds at all for next spurs manager, been a long day so I may be being blind
8/13 with PPower..
Steve Smith
757   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:43:14

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Ha ha, yeah, that's the Pienaar money sorted.
Mark Riding
758   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:11

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Davie, I have looked.. cant find anything either. I would have liked to lay Moyes for Spurs at around 4/9, as quoted above and greened it when the morning papers came out for a bit of profit..
James Stewart
759   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:46:24

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Agreed, Paul David ? Heitinga had a mare tonight but then so did most of the Dutch team. Their defence is a joke.
Darren Seal
760   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:25

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IF Moyes does leave my ideal replacement would be Ian Holloway. His teams play attacking football and he has a great eye for a bargain. Press conferences would be 'interesting' as well. :)
Paul Holmes
761   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:39:41

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FFS... Moyes has won nothing in 10 years; we can't beat Liverpool and finish about 7th. I will drive him up to Spurs myself if you want. There is life after negative Davey!

Pardew has only been at Newcastle for one season and nearly got them into the Champions League. Get him off the wage bill (top earner, £3 million a year) plus he thinks he owns the club and treats the fans with contempt (rests 5 players for the derby). Everton will be better off and Spurs worse off in the long run.

Another 10 years of Moyes? NO THANKS!
Davie Turner
764   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:52:46

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I was half tempted to have £20 on when he was 7/4 as a sort of win 'win' bet. If he stayed I would have been happy enough, if he left I would have made a few bob, odds aren't really worth it now, they all bouncing round 2/5 range.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-06-13/david-moyes-rumours-dismissed-by-everton/

I found that amusing, from the twitter feeds it seems to have been a rumour started on Talksport and dismissed by Talksport! Maybe there is more to come than on the article atm

Mark Riding
765   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:58:59

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Davie, I'm not sure what type of punter you are, but the 'next manager' markets swing violently during the day. If you (purely for example) backed both Rafa Benitez and Gus Poyet at huge odds for the Spurs job tonight, the 'Daily Shite' would run a story in the morning linking them with the job and you could get a nice earner as the odds would halve immediately.

Rogers for Liverpool was mega odds on before he was even 'officially approached'.
Andy Crooks
766   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:54:50

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If David Moyes goes to Spurs I will, particularly on the grounds of my earlier post, eat the biggest hat full of humble pie in the world. Get rid of one average, dodgy manager and replace him with a slightly better honourable one? Daniel Levy isn't that stupid..
Davie Turner
767   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:04:43

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It's a fair point Mark, I decided against pretty much based on the joys of specials (I don't think I have ever had a bet on one yet), I was just tempted at the time. Think the fact that the William Hill one has vanished (only place I bet these days) has played with my mind and seems far more important than it is! Still, has kept me entertained this evening. If all these Moyes rumours are true I would expect it to resolve quickly, the longer the job is vacant, the less I am inclined to see Moyes as the man Levy wants. Still, as I said, next few days will say either way.
Steve Smith
768   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:03:43

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Not dismissed Davie, just a denial that Moyes has already spoken to Spurs, with a threat of legal action to boot if it's repeated ! {as if we could afford that !!}
Mark Riding
770   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:16:26

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Davie, you could always invest in the 'IMYT' t-shirts for sale? A future collector's item for sure?
Andy Corrie
771   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:17:21

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New season, new manager, fresh start, it's what we need and will expose the board as incompetent; Moyesie has always protected Billy Bullshit from speculation, AN Other manager may not be as accommodating.
Mark Riding
772   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:19:03

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The IMYT are even rarer than the 'IMWT' ones !
Peter Thistle
773   Posted 14/06/2012 at 00:45:35

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Like some people have said, Moyes would be daft to join Spurs. He earns enough at Everton and has little to no pressure to deliver anything other than stability. I also think they can do better than Moyes and will go for a continental manager with a proven record at the top winning things, something Davey doesn't have.
John Brereton
774   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:30:14

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I cannot for the life of me see Moyes joining Spurs when the Utd. job will be his in a few years.....
Richard Harris
775   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:30:35

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Well that surprised me as I thought it was just another speculation in the press that would have lead nowhere - like when Redknapp was going to become England manager. Shows that occasionally the press get it right ! Seems you don't mess with Daniel Levy :0) If the bookies are right and David Moyes goes to Tottenham then better to start with a new manager before the season commences then they will have time to assess the players and change the system to their philosophy before Christmas. If we are in the bottom half of the table by then, that's no change from normal and we may get to see attacking, attractive football where the will to win is greater than the fear of losing. However, as Tottenham want Champions League qualification then would they see Moyes as the manager to bring that on a regular basis ?
Mark Riding
776   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:37:44

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John #774. The United job will be his? How will he manage Rooney? (Court settlements etc...)

Moyes hasn't won anything in 10 years. His biggest win 'in my opinion' was the FA Cup semi against United, when as anyone who was at Wembley that day would say we couldnt believe Sir Alex's team selection. We got a draw, and won on pens. Totally outplayed by Chelsea in the final, just as we would probably have been even if we beat the Shite this season.

Stability is what we get with Moyes, and that's not to be sniffed at by the way... It's just the feeling of "let's just have a go" and see what happens that I think we need to try.
Mark Riding
777   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:52:10

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Obviously not my words.. "Everton manager David Moyes is the bookmakers' favourite and appears to possess all the credentials Levy would require.

In a decade at Everton Moyes has kept the Merseysiders punching above their weight without too much cash to spend, taking them into the Champions League qualifiers in 2005 and finishing above neighbours Liverpool in seventh place last season despite large-scale spending across Stanley Park.

Moyes is hugely respected among his peers and by players in the game. He is regarded as a modern coach as well as manager and is notoriously reluctant to spend money unless he feels he is receiving value for money - which will certainly appeal to Levy.

The only doubt surrounding Moyes' suitability for Spurs appears some rather ludicrous theory about whether he is "glamorous" enough and whether he plays football in their flowing tradition. If Levy is conducting a search for a time-served Premier League manager rather than a beauty contest, then Moyes would be his man."

Now MY final words would be... we finished above Liverpool because their best player is a racist shite who got banned for 8 games, and he would have probably won them about 5 points in those games on his own....

Jason Lam
779   Posted 14/06/2012 at 02:33:37

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Thanks David Moyes but you had your 10 years.
Mick Davies
786   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:22:16

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I will always be grateful to Moyes for bringing back our pride after the dreadful Kendall 3 and Smith eras, but in 10 years, he has failed to find a solution to problems that those on here have even offered obvious sensible options to, such as our continually slow starts to the season, lack of a decent right side (even letting a good right back go who has been very impressive at Euro 2012) and the fearful team selections at home against relegation fodder etc.

As commented above, the PL is not really as good as it's made out to be, after all, the two best players in Europe play in La Liga. Therefore, after building up his side and proclaiming them to be the best he's had, we fall below the position he attained with a supposedly weaker side in 05. His staff are all defenders and the flair seems to be coached out of anyone showing potential, and sweating headless chickens seem to be preferred. Therefore, I think now, he has taken this club as far as he ever will, and it would do both him and Everton good to be given a fresh challenge. Bring on Bilic
Peter Thistle
797   Posted 14/06/2012 at 06:20:48

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I woulda been a lot happier about these rumours if Slaven Bilic was available to take over, he surely will be manager of Everton one day but he's committed to another club for the next 2 years or something. The timing is bad for finding a new manager, there's fuckall better out there at the moment.
Matt Garen
816   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:03:33

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Bilic is the new locomotive Moscow coach. Done deal, signed and sealed.

I've seen some posts saying they are happy for moyes to leave and want ian fucking holloway in?!

Shit. the. bed.

James Morgan
818   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:14:41

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Considering we can't attract the Guardiola's and Van Gaal's of this world I'd go along with Holloway. He knows how to work on a tight budget and produce exciting attacking football, and with our decent defense we'd hardly be at risk of going down.
Gavin Ramejkis
852   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:28:49

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I've read some right shite all over the web from the hand wringing doom merchants who act like Kenshite and Moyes are Everton FC, the same bellends who think football didnt exist pre-Sky. They are merely the here and now, they will go at some point and life will go on.
Kevin Sparke
854   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:56:05

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Ian Holloway - oh my aching fucking sides - stop it please...
Nelly Verdonghan
856   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:57:39

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To all those shitting themselves at the thought of Dour Davie leaving please dont be alarmed....

He will never leave Everton to go to Spurs ...or anywhere else for that matter

Reason....He will have to deliver at Spurs...Levy wont accept KITAP1 and fininishing 7th as annual success....He wont accept not being able to beat the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea & the RS away from home in 10yrs...if he's dumped Deputy Dawg after what he's done there then Davie's got no chance.

Moyes has the safest job in the WORLD....huge salary, a Chairman who can see no wrong in him or his style of play despite not winning a thing in 10 yrs...a seasonal brief just to make sure we dont get relegated & anything else is a bonus....and a ready made 'we cant compete we have no cash' excuse.

Does anybody really believe that he will leave all that for a job where he will be EXPECTED to win things ??....not fuckin likely !!

Steve Brown
857   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:04:57

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A decade in charge is long enough for anyone, so timing seems right for a change. Though why he would want to go to a club where the manager gets sacked for finishing fourth is anyone's guess.

Shows how stupid chairmen are..if Drogba hadn't equalised for Chelsea in the 88th minute of the Champions League final to set up extra-time and pens then Redknapp would have still had his job.

Steve Sweeney
859   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:49:36

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If Moyes doesn't go to Spurs it shows him for what he is.
No Ambition happy with his lot and the wages he gets.
WELL THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERTON
Moyes do One lets move on and maybe Just Maybe we will
get someone in who tells it as it is.
I would not hold my breath though, if he goes Baines and Felli to Spurs for £45/£50 M He will sell Bale for £40m so Levy happy, and dont count on Piennar coming.
Moyes will keep him at Spurs.
If this gets rid of Kenwright then I will be a happy man who can go back to GP and watch my Blue Boys.
Kenwright and his cronies OUT.
Steve Sweeney
861   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:11:17

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Forgot to say, BK will appoint Phil Neville as coach/player Manager (CHEAP)
with Steve Round
but lets hope if Davey goes he takes Round with him.
Everton need to move on and we wont while Moyes stays.
Thanks Davey but Goodbye
Jimmy Kelly
863   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:03:31

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Gavin, I don't think the world will end if Moyes goes but I do appreciate people's concerns.

My dad has been a Goodison regular since the 50s so I'm pretty sure he understands that football didn't start in 1992, and he's concerned that this may have serious repercussions.

I'm amazed that some people whine on and on about the damage that the board are doing to the club and then say they will go at some point and life will go on. It might not go on if we got relegated, with the debts we have that could be catastrophic for the entire future of the club.

Andrew Ellams
866   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:27:49

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It's football, players and managers come and go and the world goes on.

The crucial decision is in the hands of those that need to produce the replacements.

Kevin Sparke
867   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:23:52

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Jimmy - if Everton ever do get relegated we'll be in administration the day after. That's when the wheels will come off Kenwright's financial trolly big time. It'll make what Rangers are going through look like a library fine.

'Death spiral' is one phrase that springs to mind.

If Moyes does go I thank him for the 9 out of the 10 years we've not had to worry about relegation and wish his successor 'all the best of luck - he's going to need it'.

I just hope it's not back to the Walter Smith/Mike Walker - 'shit-yourself-days' of propping up the league for 4 months of the season, last day escapes and buying worn out players like Ginola, pissheads like Gazza and crocks like Jesper Blomqvist

I think Ste Sweeney has it sussed - I wouldn't put it past Kenwright to take the cheap option and appoint Neville... it would be like a 'new signing'.

Scary days ahead - say what you like about Moyes, but you just knew he'd never take Everton down even with the shit hand Kenwright dealt him.

Jimmy Kelly
868   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:33:51

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Nelly, have a look at Spurs record at Old Trafford before you start spouting rubbish about what they will and won't accept.

And Steve Sweeney, does that mean that if Moyes DOES go it shows you for what you are - ie wrong? Or do actions only prove what you want them to prove?

Jimmy Kelly
872   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:39:12

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Kevin, couldn't agree more.

The thought of Round or somebody like Holloway in charge really worries me. I'm not saying there's no way they'd do a good job but it would be a big, big step into the unknown.

Roberto Birquet
873   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:40:57

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Shaun
I was getting texts from spurs season ticket holder mates yesterday assuring me that Redknapp was off and a deal had been done 'ages ago' to get Moyes in. We'll see.
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I heard that many many months ago - ie, Moyes would be Spurs' next manager - although not necessarily 'cos Spurs would let 'Arry Triffic go so soon - and he would get lolly to spend.
Gavin Ramejkis
878   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:13:11

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Jimmy I understand what you are saying but at some point its going to happen, I read far too often about how we need to keep BK and/or Moyes and at some point both will go whether we like it or not, the club wont instantly get relegated if either or both leave. If anything as each year passes with BK still in control the club is already sailing towards administration, ten years of mismanagement tend to do that to a business. As each year passes, Moyes or no Moyes, BK will cash in on each member of the team he can to keep his position another day until relegation and administration finally bite.

The worst part of all of it is the general apathy of the fanbase which was divided by BK. PJ did far less than BK ever did yet his RS credentials crucified him, BK's misuse of his alleged blue credentials are a disgrace. Don't forget his Liver Birds appearance which smacked a little too close to reality given his statement decades later saying he feels pride when he hears their anthem - never in over 40 years have I ever heard another blue say this and I don't know a single blue who can even stay in a room if this is played or switch a radio off if it comes on.

Dave Wilson
884   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:09:27

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Gavin where did you read somebody ANYBODY saying how we need to keep BK ?

You claim people act as if Kenwright and Moyes are EFC but who ?

they are seperate people in seperate rolls. Kenwright will still be here if Moyes goes to Spurs (or anywhere else).

Perhaps it`ll take Moyes to leave for the shortsighted to finally see where our problems really lie.
But they wont they will merely turn on the next guy just as they have turned on Smith and Moyes.

Those who have been claiming for years that "anybody" would be an improvement on Moyes are in for a very rude awakening. They will realise that the only thing they have accomplished is to deflect blame from Kenwright for the best part of a decade

Matt Butlin
887   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:26:46

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Whether he stays or goes, get set for another summer of uncertainty ending in a player being sold last minute with the old 'no time to find a replacement' garbage being spouted out... leading to another crap start to the season.
Gavin Ramejkis
890   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:30:33

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Dear god Dave, read this website, over and over ad nauseum have I read utter shite like "better the devil you know" or "stability" from Kenshite and his board of no good carpetbaggers looking for a payday buyout. A five minute search here would find them for you, like it or not the chairman and manager are entwined given Moyes' backing of him during criticism from the BU and other supporters.

Find posts and whole articles here and elsewhere making the claims that if either leave the club would fold Dave, if you are too lazy to look I could do it for you. Moyes has been BK's human shield for a decade admittedly keeping the team in the league but its a nonsense to say what the unknown would bring other than change as neither you or I know that as it hasn't happened.

Jimmy Kelly
891   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:12:27

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I'm not disputing that side of it Gavin, but personally I would much rather it was Kenwright who went before Moyes. A new manager in this situation is a risk, theres no getting away from that.

My concerns would be that it just might be Moyes who is keeping us where we are. I agree totally that there's nothing to say we wouldn't improve or at least stay the same but there is a big 'what if' about it. Look at how Villa have plummeted since O'Neill left, how Chelsea have never quite been the same since Mourinho or how Bolton were safe under Megson (derided by fans for his tactics) but then brought in somebody who seemed to be a bright young manager but actually got them relegated.

I've got plenty of criticisms of Moyes but I have never doubted that we would remain around the top 10 at worst under him. Under somebody else, who knows?

Kevin Tully
892   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:35:00

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Can someone explain why we would be relegated if Moyes leaves ?

Wasn't there a breakdown of finances in a newspaper a few weeks ago - which had us at ninth position for wages, net spend and turnover ? Add to this a £3m a season salary ( if they offer any new manager the same as Moyes ) a team with internationals in almost every position. A club which is only one of seven ever presents in the P.L. A £50m wageroll.

Stop looking into the past for how we will fare without Moyes. Football, wages, and our current squad are a million miles away from the relegation scraps of the 90's.

Paul David
895   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:51:01

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Does anyone actually think we would be relegated without Moyes?

So our team is at the same level as Bolton,Blackburn and Wolves but Moyes alone is worth an extra 20 points a season.

Paul Foster
897   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:51:54

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Nelly, that's nonsense.

Spurs have spent about 6 or 7 times as much money as Everton during that period Moyes has been in charge. Though it's inconvenient for some people to accept, this makes a bloody big difference to prospects!

Under Moyes, Everton's spending has consistently been around the 14th highest in the Prem. In terms of our final league position, Moyes has consistently delivered 6th or 7th.

As the LMA awards show, other managers are astonished by what Moyes has achieved on his budget. And I suspect very few would fancy the job of taking over, with expectations to do at least as well without spending any more money. Realistically, nobody's going to fancy that.

By the way, Harry Redknapp, with a squad worth a couple of hundred million, managed to take a side that finished 5th and 5th again in 2006 and 2007 and he took them to the dizzy heights of ... 5th and 4th.

Dave Wilson
899   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:43:51

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Gavin

Maybe I didnt explain my question properly. I accept and agree some people like Dick Fearon and Richard have defended Kenwright, but even they wouldnt claim we Need to keep him - at least I dont think they would.
contrary to what you claim I dont belive anybody would choose Kenwright over a viable alternative.

I dont need to trawl the threads. Believe me, if I`d read somebody suggesting Moyes or Kenwright were EFC I would remember it. there is a difference between supporting somebody while they are here and believing they are irreplacebale.

I accept that if Moyes leaves that the only thing we know for certain is that ther will be change . .but there are a few on here who have claimed "anybody" would be an improvement and they WILL be proved totally wrong.

The guy who can bring entertaining footy and success to EFC despite the desperately poor backing this board may well be out there, somewhere.

But you can be very very certain Kenwright wont be finding him

Jimmy Kelly
901   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:06:20

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Paul and Kevin, I'm not saying we WILL be relegated if Moyes leaves. Maybe we'll even win the league, I don't know.

What a lot of people are worried about though, is that a poor manager could drag them down. Is the squad a similar level to Wolves etc? No, it's better.
But is the Swansea or Norwich squad better than the Villa squad? No, but they managed to stay safe while Villa came very close to relegation.
Was the West Ham squad with Defoe, Johnson, Cole, Kanoute etc an obvious relegation candidate?

A manager does make a difference, that's why people hire and fire them...

Pete Edwards
903   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:08:00

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Spurs will go for Klinsman, he's got the obvious affection for the club and I'm guessig the fans would love him back there although the World Cup might keep him where he is!
Paul David
904   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:19:32

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Jimmy I agree a manager makes a difference but it would take a very poor one to take this Everton side down.I want Moyes to go but the one thing I dont like is other clubs will see us as weak without a manager.If there is genuine interest in our players i'd expect the bids to start and players to be gone before we have a new manager in place.

The sale of players is something I think we need to do anyway but I can see them being sold for less without a manager compared to what they would go for under Moyes.

Mark Mclaughlin
905   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:15:30

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Moyes is Everton's best asset. Change might not necessarily be a bad thing but currently Moyes is more important to Everton than any of our high profile players. For example, I bet he played a huge part in Fellaini renewing his contract.

I'd also argue he is also our best chance for investment.

The replacements suggested such as Martinez and Holloway would be a huge gamble. Yes, Moyes can be negative and the football wasn't great at times last year, but the last 3rd of the season was much better (barring the Liverpool performances).

In my view Spurs would be as good if not better with Moyes. Redknapp is over rated in my opinion.


If Moyes shows loyality and stays at Everton I'd question the view that this was down to a lack of ambition. Moyes will be a very rich man regardless whether his next contract is with Spurs or Everton.

Jimmy Kelly
911   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:27:02

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Would it though Paul? I'm not sure that's true at all.

As you say, we may have to sell players anyway. Let's say Fellaini is sold for £20m and we get £6/8m of that to spend, I don't think that's being particularly outlandish. If we don't spend that wisely then is the squad that good?

If they played for another club would you be surprised if a team that regularly featured Hibbert, Neville, Distin, Cahill, Gueye, Coleman, Osman, Vellios and Anichebe went down? I know I wouldn't. In fact, if Baines and/or Jelavic were injured for any length of time I'd be very worried indeed.

Paul David
912   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:43:07

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Jimmy

If Fellaini was sold then it would be a different team,if this team stayed together it would take something disastrous to get us relegated.We might have some average players but 3 out of 4 in our defence are very good,Fellaini is one of the best midfielders in the league and we have a regular goal scorer.Thats something most teams cant boasts.

If 2 or 3 of our best players were sold and replaced with average players then yeah we could really struggle.

Kevin Tully
917   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:01:23

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9/4 now. No chance of him putting his cushy number on the line.

James Flynn
940   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:13:46

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Barry (676) - OK. By unfettered you weren't taking into account transfer budget were you? Or its effect on player dealing? Or the fact Moyes had zero control over that, apparently for you, little detail.

Unfettered? Hahaha yet again. Financially shackled, chained, and stocked by ownership more like and nothing funny about it.

I hope he stays and gets some reasonable transfer budget to work with. Hardly likely, eh? You can't wait til he leaves. Fine. But whoever replaces him and is given the same "unfettered control", God help them. Kenright and them won't.

Andy Walker
975   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:05:06

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If Moyes goes to Spurs I expect to see Baines and Pienaar on the left side and probably Fellaini in the middle for Spurs next season. I hope David stays.
Nelly Verdonghan
057   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:20:07

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Jimmy & Paul you are both obviously shitting themselves.....!! lol
Nelly Verdonghan
058   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:20:07

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Jimmy & Paul you are both obviously shitting themselves.....!! lol

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