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The Rumour Mill, Season 2011-12

Madrid unlikely to meet Fellaini valuation

12/06/2012 | Comments (33)
Marca.com report that Jose Mourinho has his eye on Marouane Fellaini in the event he can't land top target Javi Martinez but the report casts doubt on whether Real Madrid would spring the €30m Everton would demand for the Belgian.

Original Source: Marca.com (via Google Translate)

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James Stewart
377   Posted 12/06/2012 at 09:56:24

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Fellaini is 25m plus. We bought him for 16m so at least want to make some profit. Set a price and if they don't want to meet it then fine he stays.
James Flynn
417   Posted 12/06/2012 at 15:13:24

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"the report casts doubt on whether Real Madrid would spring the ?30m Everton would demand for the Belgian".

No shit. That's why we didn't believe it in the first place.

Dean Adams
420   Posted 12/06/2012 at 15:24:15

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I would not sell him for such paltry sums. In this modern era, players are worth whatever someone is willing to pay, but I think Fellaini is worth much more than the petty offers or figures that we have seen in the press.
I would only sell him and Baines if the money coming in was enough to clear our debt and replace them with reasonable players. That would mean that every year in the future we would be able to strengthen the squad as needed, even if it was just with potential, it would still make us a more attractive proposition and could allow for ground developement to improve our revenue streams over the next decade.
Al Reddish
421   Posted 12/06/2012 at 15:29:52

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It's mad we don't wanna let him go for less than £25m when a fair few on hear during the season were on about his laziness and the wasted £15m we spent on him. Fickle lot footie fans ay?
Dean Adams
422   Posted 12/06/2012 at 15:59:57

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Al Reddish

I cant speak for both James's above but I have never suggested anything negative about the big fella. To me he has always oozed potential class. He may have found the refs took a dislike to him, the media pushing that one (especially those redshite twats on MOTD) but his ability has been there to see. JUst because some cant see it does not mean its not there. We all see things differently, some for the better and some not. Felli to me is worth over £40million, or at least the chance to pay off a huge chunk of the clubs debt.

If we achieve that then I will be thankful for his time here. Anything less and we should keep him as his value will rise over the next two years, especially if Belgium qualify for the next WC finals!!

James Stewart
426   Posted 12/06/2012 at 16:16:06

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Some people still don't rate Fellaini on here but I have never been one of them.

He is a class act and one of the best CM in the League. His stats back it up.
Any team would want him in their side. A lot of his good work is never flashy so won't make the highlights reel that some people judge players on but his work in midfield is invaluable. When Fellaini plays well we generally always win.

Jeremy Benson
430   Posted 12/06/2012 at 16:53:40

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It has been mentioned on here several times recently that he has a release clause, thought to be around £24-26 million.

Thus, its very unlikely that we would get any more than that.

Al Reddish
434   Posted 12/06/2012 at 17:07:42

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Dean & James........agree 100%.
Tony J Williams
435   Posted 12/06/2012 at 16:57:03

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Not necessarily Jeremy, the player may argue the release clause but we, as a club, can ask for as much as we want. If the player hands in a transfer request he waives all rights to a load of moolah generated from the transfer.

Just because it says £24/26m to activate the release clause, doesn't mean we have to only accept that amount.

Dean Adams
436   Posted 12/06/2012 at 17:19:16

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Jeremy Benson

Do you know the source of the alleged "clause"? Does it have any credance? I just cant see how we would have had such a clause put into a contract when the manager rates the player so highly. If it was quoted as £50m then it would make sense as a way to put potential suitors off unless they were totally serious, hence a worthwhile bid, of which there have been none so far.

Paul David
440   Posted 12/06/2012 at 17:47:04

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If Fellaini does have a clause that if a club bids a certain amount then he can leave and then the club still turns it down,wouldnt that then be a breach of contract by the club meaning he could techincally walk away for nothing?

Dean I can see there being a get out clause for the amount being mentioned.I was very surprised Fellaini signed a new contract and imagine his agent would have insisted on the clause if they wanted him to sign.If he hadnt of signed the contract his value would probably been worth less than the clause so it would have been to the benefit of the club to put the clause in.

Jeremy Benson
442   Posted 12/06/2012 at 17:57:48

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Dean, no idea. Just saying what has been posted on here recently.

Tony - if its true, then I think the player may do more than "argue" about a release clause. It would be contractual. So I don't follow your logic, sorry.

Jeremy Benson
443   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:00:45

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Paul, that's my understanding of contractual release fee's too. Quite why they would be put in if they could just be ignored baffles me, quite frankly...

I would have thought the clue was in the name, but hey...

Pablo Connelly
445   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:00:52

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If there is a clause in the contract, I would think Felliani's representatives put it in so the club can't price him out of his dream move. So don't be surprised if it is as low as £24m. Personally I could cope with losing him for £30m but anything less will make the hammer blow even worse.
Dean Adams
446   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:03:14

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Paul David

That is speculative in the extreme, but maybe it could be plausable. I just dont see how such a figure would benefit the player though. If it were £50m then the buying club would want him as a starter and not a bench warmer, which would almost certainly be the case for that figyre. The player doed not want to be on the bench so would only want a move that would suit his purposes, not those of a monied club who just want to stop other clubs from playing him.

That is my take on things and is how I would play it if I were the player.

Jim Knightley
449   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:30:44

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I expect we would sell for 25million...(if there is a release clause and it is met and Fellaini wants to leave, then he will leave) it would be a shame, but it would not be the end of the world. He was amazing in the second half of the season, but I'm sure the large majority of us would have been willing to sell after his first half of the season performance. If we sold for 25million, we could give 8-10 to the bank, and have around 15million to spend, along with his £70,000 a week wages. Whilst we won't be able to replace his quality in his position, the money could be used to ultimately improve the team. I just hope that any potential deal transpires quickly, as we do not need the team disturbed by the unscrupulous activities of previous years.
Paul David
451   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:38:02

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Dean £50m would scare off every club even if they did really want him.What you have to remember is players ego's,most players think there better than they are,take Pienaar as an example,most people knew he wouldnt get a game ahead of Bale yet he probably thought he would be just as important to Spur's as he was to us.Personally I think Fellaini,if not every game would be an important player at most clubs and not be a bench warmer.
Jeremy Benson
454   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:57:36

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There's only one player in the world that I can think of who is worth £50 million, and his surname begins with "M".

I think talking anything over £25 million for any one of everton's players is very optimistic.

Dean Adams
455   Posted 12/06/2012 at 18:56:47

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Paul David

Torres went to Chelsea for £50m and to be honest was never worth it. Fact is though, if a club want a player (Chelsea in his case) they will pay over the odds. If you feel that devaluing your asset is good business then that is your perogative, but for me I would want to scare off any time wasters or anyone who seriously doesnt rate the player as a genuine starter.

For me, if a player has a big ego, he just would want to be sold for the biggest fee possible, not an average fee that you suggest.

Alexander O'Brien
456   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:01:54

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Al Reddish I think you'll find the one's who were criticising Fellaini were the same one's who didn't want Pienaar back and calling him a money grabbing so and so! In other words, the one's that know nothing about football.
Dean Adams
457   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:10:54

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Jeremy Benson

So that pony tailed geordie is worth £10m more than any of our players! Glad you are not working for the club on that basis.

Paul David
459   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:08:54

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Dean I doubt players want the transfer fee's to be bigger,its bigger wages they want.I agree Torres wasnt worth £50m but I think £25m for Fellaini is a good price.Its big name,attacking,flair players that tend go for the biggest money,i'm struggling to think of any defensive midfielders that have gone for more.

Plus you have to remember who we are,everyone knows we're in debt and we cant offer our players trophies or even europe to keep hold of them.We're not in a postion to play hard ball so for them reasons I think anything over £25m starts getting unrealistic.

Jeremy Benson
460   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:25:38

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Dont worry dean, with your grasp of £50m for fellaini, I'm glad you aren't working for the club either.

But perhaps if you re-read my post, I said "worth". I think we would all agree that carroll was not worth what was paid for.

Jeremy Benson
461   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:29:51

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Although having said that, Dean, if you are so sure that I'm talking nonsense; how about a wager; that the final transfer fee of fellaini, if he does go this next few months, is closer to £25 million than £50 million? Which will of course concur with my valuation rather than yours.

Willing to take it?

Dean Adams
464   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:36:24

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Jeremy Benson

I have not yet entered the realms of calling your opinion nonsense. For the record you are the one who has stated that you think that.

Many years ago now, a defender was sold for £30 m and nobody thought he was worth it or that MU would pay such a fee, but they did. That was not an isolated high fee for a defensive player.

I have stated in this thread that I would not sell him for less than £40m in order to help rid the club of our debt. It is about playing hardball and with a five-year contract in place we hold the trump cards, So why do you want to state a small club estimate for our prized asset?

We may well see your valuation being the closer in the end, but that for me just shows that the small time attitude of the club is having the same effect on the fans. For me that is the most worrying aspect of your post. Why should we under value our players just because the media tell us so?

Jeremy Benson
470   Posted 12/06/2012 at 19:56:34

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Dean,

it WAS an isolated high fee for a defensive player. That rio fee has been trumpeted many times since.

But, in any case - I find it difficult to grasp or understand your stance that fellaini should be £40m+ (It's come down from £50m now, gladly...), when its speculated he has a release fee of £25 million ish. We paid £15 million for him. If I did a search on here, I would find many posts from 12 months ago saying he did not live up to that original fee. He has improved, over the last 12 months. It does not make him into a £40m+ player. if he has a release fee, then that release fee IS his valuation to us. It's not rocket science.

So, I'm sorry, but I really don't follow.

Dean Adams
475   Posted 12/06/2012 at 20:07:07

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Jeremy Benson

It has not come down from £50m to £40m as you suggest. If you follow the thread, which would help you with your failing, following, then you might be able to understand the reasoning.

As for doing a search on Toffeeweb for the value of a player, well only you know the logic in that statement. Personally, as I stated earlier I would not sell for less than an amount that would go a long way towards clearing the clubs debt, £40m would be nice. I suggest that his worth to me is £40 m or more, or at least the chance to pay down the debt as much as possible. Failing that kind of silly money I would keep him as his worth will only rise (especially for those that suck up to Sky) in the next few years leading upto the next World Cup, providing Belgium qualify.

Stop making up what I am suggesting as it serves no purpose, at least as far as I am concerned. If you don't like the price go find someone else to pester!! Do you understand that concept. I will only listen to silly offers for my prizes assets, so if you dont like it, stay away!! For me that is the way I would play it if I were the board of the club. As I stated earlier, he has a five-year contract, we pay his wages and therefore should dictate any terms.

Bobby Thomas
489   Posted 12/06/2012 at 20:43:39

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Are there any holding players who've moved for more than £30 mill?

For example, I reckon it's unlikely Fellaini would consistently play off the striker for any of the teams he's linked with, he would play the holding role or at least a more conventional mid role more often than not. Strikers always go for more; always have, always will... ultimately they are the difference.

Any more than £30 million for Fellaini is nuts ? and I rate him.

James Stewart
516   Posted 12/06/2012 at 22:49:46

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Henderson 20m, Milner 26m.... No way Fellaini should be sold for less than them.
Mark Riding
674   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:47:15

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Watching Ozil and Khedira playing against the dutch tonight, I can see why Madrid must be desperate to sign Fellani..
Roberto Birquet
721   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:02:33

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"the report casts doubt on whether Real Madrid would spring the ?30m Everton would demand for the Belgian".
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For those who don't know, Marca is Madrid's in-house newspaper - practically. Of course, they would play down on the price, Madrid would tell them to. But equally, I'd trust it as a source for what Madrid wants.
Andy Mack
722   Posted 13/06/2012 at 23:06:19

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Simply, madrid cannot meet Felli fee... Great, you cannot afford him. Worry over.
Andy Corrie
769   Posted 14/06/2012 at 01:11:34

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The usual petty PL wheeler dealing; no allegiance, no rules, just money, wank;
bye bye Felli, you were inconsistent anyway mate; and your sale will subsidise Peanut's purchase.
Go to Chelsea and earn your CL runners up medal from the bench.

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