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Kenwright's Scouting Fees?

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Just read a rumour on GOT that Blue Bill has been paid £250,000 in scouting fees in our last set of accounts?

Not sure if anybody has proven this to be the case or it's merely a rumour.

If true it shows his claims of "never taking a penny out the club" to be, much like the matchday company he keeps, a bit dodgy.

Stephen Kenny, Liverpool     Posted 17/06/2011 at 15:16:14

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Kunal Desai
1   Posted 17/06/2011 at 18:06:15

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He's a crook, I don't trust in one bit and won't be spending one penny towards the club until he's gone!
Michael Kenrick
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2   Posted 17/06/2011 at 18:22:11

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I don't recall anything to this effect in the accounts. They are available here so let's see chapter and verse on this before the ritual abuse gets out of hand...
Mat Flusk
3   Posted 17/06/2011 at 18:32:58

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The only thing that looks like that is the £244,000 paid to the Directors as emoluments. (Accounts 2011 Page 20)

Under the Income Tax (Earnings & Pensions) Act 2003 (ITEPA 2003) any personal expenses reimbursed are counted as emoluments.

Flights to and from Liverpool for the board of directors, trips abroad, conferences etc all would contribute to this figure.

So no, not "scouting fees" and there is nowhere in the accounts that attributes it solely to Kenwright.
Trevor Lynes
4   Posted 17/06/2011 at 19:07:17

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It doesn't matter anyway...I now see that Demba Ba has signed for.....Newcastle Utd and they are supposed to be broke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As soon as any other club shows any interest in any prospective player we may be linked with...we drop OUT !!
I for one will not pay for a season ticket until BK coughs up....
John Chambers
5   Posted 17/06/2011 at 19:20:10

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This number was from 2009, the 2010 figues is zero. Prior to that it was around £400k pa. I am sure if BK was pocketing any of that somebody would have raised this on these pages before now.
I suspect that Wyness was a more likely recipient of the emolument as the figure drastically reduced in the year he stopped being a director
Paul Dewhurst
6   Posted 17/06/2011 at 19:48:15

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Trevor - where did you here Newcastle as supposedly being broke? They got £35m from the caroll deal sold Nolan who was on big wages so there would be enough to cover wages and singing on fee?
John Audsley
7   Posted 17/06/2011 at 19:59:03

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Whats criminal is the sickening luvvy waffle at the start of the Annual Report

Utter shite

and i reckon NUFC have plenty of cash in the bank after 40m of sales

Much more than the minus we shall have
Simon Templeman
8   Posted 17/06/2011 at 19:58:00

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Trevor@4, Ba turned down 50k a week and 1/2 million signing on fee at the Hammers. Would you really expect/want us to improve on that? Despite his 7 goals in the second half of the season there are still concerns about his knee. I am happy for the deluded Geordies to beat us for his signature personally. I also expect Villa to look at (and outbid us) for Moyes' alleged targets, Moyes' knows this and I believe leads his competitors up the garden path.
Stephen Leary
9   Posted 17/06/2011 at 20:31:24

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Where is Doddy on this matter?
Kevin Freaney
10   Posted 17/06/2011 at 20:47:40

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I have to say I'm not a fan of Kenwright. I don't like what he has done with the club in the past and I don't like where he is taking us and I disagree with his lack of financial backing to Moyes.

But at the same time I will never doubt his love for the club. He's just not up to the job.

I just hope we can get some players in this summer. Losing Ba to Newcastle is a bit of a kick in the teeth. We really should be competing, but money talks in the end.
Jay Harris
11   Posted 17/06/2011 at 21:21:17

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We should be more concerned with the 20 million miscellaneous operating expenses that have suddenly popped up in recent years.

The 250k directors emoluments will be Elstone's salary etc and the 400k plus was Wyness.

Agent's fees are a global total and not analysed in the accounts so unless somebody in the accounts department put the rumour out I dont see how anyone would know.
Dick Fearon
12   Posted 17/06/2011 at 21:45:12

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Steven K, are we to expect an abject apology for your despicable spreading of baseless below the belt anti Bill venom. My guess is you are merely another poster throwing mud and hoping some of it will stick. It is a bit sad that TW seems to have cornered that particular market.
GOT gets no credit either.
Stephen Kenny
13   Posted 17/06/2011 at 22:03:02

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I made clear that I read it and didn't know if it was any more than a rumour.

I don't post on GOT so I couldn't ask where it came from, I was hoping someone on here may be able to elaborate.

Your over the top rhetoric makes you sound like an arl woman, it's not like I slated him.
Gavin Ramejkis
14   Posted 17/06/2011 at 22:07:32

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Jay I posted that before but for whatever reason it hasn't appeared, the report shows other operating costs as £23m up from £21m last year, the director expenses is a red herring as its regular practice, you honestly don't think they'd pay for transport to and from games or tickets or anything else. If someone could break down what the hell the £23m has gone on I'd be intrigued as it can't included things like lagging pipes or tarting the ground up.
Colin Fitzpatrick
15   Posted 17/06/2011 at 22:17:39

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John #5 you're spot on, the figure prior to 2009 was indeed just over £400k, £470k to be exact and represented Keith Wyness' salary and pension.

In the 2009 accounts this fell to £244k because Mr Wyness, a director of EFC, "resigned" on the 28th July 2008, just two months into the then current financial year; and yes the figure in the 2010 accounts is now zero.

Whilst we say he resigned he of course tells everyone that he was sacked on a boat by a non-director of the company for raising concerns over the legality of what two individuals were allegedly up to over a property scam known as DK.

Using this figure of £244k you can ascertain that he apparently received what can only be described as a golden handshake of almost £180k; not bad for someone who was sacked, err err resigned!

There's no way Bill Kenwright has received £250k for scouting fees; there are far more devious ways of getting money out of a company than that, these are nothing more than malicious rumours.

Talking of rumours it's nice to see old Keith has finally found gainful employment at last, but I'm not too sure about the uniform or the handbags that occurred at Royal Ascot yesterday!!!!
David O'Keefe
16   Posted 18/06/2011 at 00:48:14

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Of all the things to criticise BK for; Taking money out of the club illicitly is the last one anyone should do.

There is plenty to criticise about BK so why is there a need to invent more reasons/excuses to do so. Also strange that these baseless rumours appeared on GoT or apologist central as I like to call it.
Callum Wilson
17   Posted 18/06/2011 at 02:10:32

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On a lighter note, good ol' Sky have decided what games we should all watch next season... how considerate!,19528,11662_6994249,00.html

Steven Pendleton
18   Posted 18/06/2011 at 02:26:02

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What will Kenright's leadership be renowned for? I suppose one could say his decision to employ Moyes has brought about stabiliity at a time when we needed it and oh yeh, he's a supporter (wow!!!! detect the sarcasm)

But I'm afraid the longer he stays, the more likelihood people will stay away from the game as he is diminishing all hope we have with competing with the best and the hole he has started digging for our club, in terms of our debt, is becoming deeper and deeper.

I for one am fuckin pissed with the lack of investment and development of our club and the only hope I have left is for him to move on.

On a side note, how funny is it that those tossers across the way have an away strip similar to our training top. Absolute Gold!!!!!!! haha.
Colin Fitzpatrick
19   Posted 18/06/2011 at 13:06:20

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Gavin #13, a little detective work and you can start to breakdown the startling rise in this "other operating costs" figure, from just 6% of turnover in 99/00 to an incredible 30% or £24m today.

Just from memory we pay £1.5m per annum for Finch Farm, we know that we're paying about £4.5 million in interest charges and we now know we paid £3.5m to agents; so what's that? £9.5m, so just a further £14.5m to explain.

There will be signing-on fees hidden in there, undisclosed and used as a tool to keep the wage structure artificially lower and inhibit new or existing players agents demands during wage negotiations, and lets not forget signing on fees are paid annually in equal parts over the length of a contract with any sums remaining paid in full at the time of the players disposal; no club in their right mind wants to reveal those figures to be fair. Perhaps another expense in there is the 5% transfer levy as highlighted in section 38 of the Premier League rule book.

Anything underhanded taking place? I'd be very surprised tbh, in fact you can categorically state there won't be, but I'd guess many fans would be outraged to discover just how much players are taking from their clubs; whilst some player / club relationships are symbiotic others are downright parasitic.

My own view is that maybe fans need to be as mercenary as these players are. Highly paid prima donnas who have sat on their arses for half of their contracts and only manage to put a shift in sporadically should be cashed in on when they start believing they're too good for the mighty blues; a sub team, the cheeky twat.
Gavin Ramejkis
20   Posted 18/06/2011 at 17:39:34

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What really grinds my gears Colin about the £3.5m to the parasites is that we didn't sign any significant new faces only extended the odd player and got a freebie and the odd kid, was that really worth £3.5m? Then again I'd have sworn that Desperation Kirkby cost a lot more than the £1.4m claimed in the accounts but suppose this was just last year's figure rather than how much was wasted during the whole debacle.
Jeff Armstrong
21   Posted 18/06/2011 at 18:33:13

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Colin #17, spot on about Fellaini, how many games has he actually bossed for us?

He was dogshit when he first arrived for the best part of his debut season, each time since, he has started to show some real form, has then got injured, leaving us with thoughts of a potentialy great player, but an injured player nevertheless.

To come out with comments that we are a "sub-top club" is insulting to say the least, and do not tell me it is a "lost in translation" remark as it is a phrase I am not particulary familiar with and cannot be passed off as a "faux pas" (Belgian bollocks).

Sell him to the highest bidder.

Ste Traverse
22   Posted 18/06/2011 at 18:55:33

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Jeff. Fellaini still weighed in with 9 goals during his debut season,hardly 'dogshit' and what do you want his dad to say,that we are a big club going places when we're not?

The remark Fellaini senior made is pretty close to the mark how we are viewed in the football world right now.
David O'Keefe
23   Posted 18/06/2011 at 18:59:59

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Ste He's not dogshit, but he is not alue for money, he's a sub-top player.
Fran Mitchell
24   Posted 18/06/2011 at 19:30:36

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a club that occasionally play's in the Uefa cup and get's knocked out before the quarters. Generally finishes 8-6th in the league, only buy's players after selling. Last won silverware in '95.

Yes, we are a top-club. And each player who plays for us must say so.

Fellaini wants to play in the Champions League (at some point in the future), he has the ability to do so. Good for him. What, you want him to waste his career becasue what, we signed him 2 years ago so undicided loyalty is required?

Didn't see anyone complain at his lack of loyalty towards Standard Liege.

I hope he stays, but I am happy he has ambition and wont accept 6th place as a successful season like our Manager would.
David Barks
25   Posted 18/06/2011 at 22:24:39

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Please tell me what qualifies a club as a "top club". And then tell me if Everton qualify. We once were, but that means nothing now. Two straight years completely out of Europe, no finances to afford the top players in their prime, a sub par stadium unable to hold any significant Cup or International matches, qualifying for the Champions League one time, and close to 20 years without a trophy. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the way the truth sounds. We're not a small club, but certainly not a top club either.
David Hallwood
26   Posted 18/06/2011 at 22:48:53

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This thread's gone a bit off-piste! I think the paradox of good players is what makes them really special is their desire to win, after all we all know or have seen really good park players, who didn't have the mindset ot the attitude to make it.

So when a Fellani or a Rooney come to Everton, they take a look around and see no ambition whatsoever and the chances of competing at the highest level are slim to nil. So theyeither accept the situation and therefore lose the thing that makes them special or they go somewhere that matches their ambitions.

Personally I didn't blame Rooney for getting out of it ASAP, and when people say he should've given us a couple of sesasons...Gentlemen I give you Jack Rodwell, who for personal advancement should've jumped at the chance of joining united and it looks like the train has just left the platform. Niether would I blame Fellani for wanting a club with ambitions that are going somewhere-what is wrong with that?
Trevor Mackie
27   Posted 18/06/2011 at 23:56:40

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Interesting from Fellaini:

Adding to a summer of controversy, Marouane Fellaini has admitted that his future lies away from Everton as the Belgian international is looking to play in the UEFA Champions League. The Everton player disclosed this information in his latest interview to the press in which he stated, "One thing is certain, I want to play in a team that wins trophies and play in the Champions League. Everton is a team of sub-top."

Extract from Bettor,com

Wonder how much we'll get for him? and interesting description "sub-top" - says it all really.
Alex Kociuba
28   Posted 19/06/2011 at 01:29:30

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Sub-top is being pretty kind.
Ste Traverse
29   Posted 19/06/2011 at 02:05:40

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Bill Kenwright would rather be in control of an Everton going nowhere than let us go and see an Everton going places.

This mans ego and desperation to hang on to the club at all costs could kill us. It's time his 'supporters' woke up to this.
Stephen Kenny
30   Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:28:24

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Obviously I read it wrong so if your reading Bill, I apologise.

With Big Mo, Lescott etc. I don't blame them for moving on if it's to win things and they behave properly, it's only when they act like Rooney I dislike them.

I would say that to most outside the club we look a side going backwards, most ambitious players don't want to be a part of that
Karl Meighan
31   Posted 19/06/2011 at 13:11:30

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Were do any players who are rated and valued want to go apart from Man Utd, Chelsea or City for dollars?

Surely every player who plays for a club that finished outside the top four wants to play in the Champions League?

Hungry players who believe they can produce enough to give there club a chance to get in amongst the top four is who i want to see at Goodison, not cunts who want others to do the hard graft then walk straight in.

Both Felliani and Heitinga want to play Champions League football but it seems to me they dont want to earn it.
David Barks
32   Posted 19/06/2011 at 16:54:14

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That's just idiotic. It takes 11 players on the pitch, and then today you need at least another 11 quality players able to fill holes during suspensions/injuries. Everton is nowhere near that. What they see is a strike force of Beckford/Anichebe and every once in a while Saha. They look at a Chelsea and see Drogba/Anelka/Kalou/Torres. They look at United and see Berbatov/Rooney/Hernandez. Those two clubs loaned out a striker each better than anything we currently have. They leave to play with those types of players. You can't get a team to a Champions League on your own. What they've earned is the ability to be wanted by those teams. And the fact is they can't fulfill their potential here.
Joe McMahon
33   Posted 19/06/2011 at 20:10:45

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David (30) - On this occasion I fully agree with you. Many can't see this, and this is why they want to leave, from Rooney, Pienaar to the Felli. They want to play for teams with ambition, and teams with a realistic chance of glory. This won't happen at Everton.
Colin Fitzpatrick
34   Posted 19/06/2011 at 20:31:41

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Karl Meighan
35   Posted 19/06/2011 at 20:29:51

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David what has Felliani done at Everton to warrant the 15m laid out on him? I dont think one man makes a team but the fact is Evertons results have been better when Felliani has been injured.

Fullbacks and centrebacks have stepped into his position and done the same job with as much success.

20 good games tops Felliani has had in a Everton shirt imo that does not warrant talking himself to a better or bigger club.

Felliani has missed large chunks of the last two seasons and imo owes it to Everton to perform at the level that he showed in a two month spell before his injury.
Karl Meighan
36   Posted 19/06/2011 at 20:42:02

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It is idiotic to think that if all Evertons players performed to there highest levels week in week out that they couldn't challenge the top four?

Cast your mind back to last pre season when all the talk was of challenging for a Champions League place, did he want to sign for another club then?
David Barks
37   Posted 19/06/2011 at 21:57:33

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Yes, it is idiotic to think that. Because for Everton to accomplish that just about everything has to fall into place, players all on form, no injuries, no suspensions, and most importantly the teams with better squads have to under achieve. That number used to be one of 4 squads under achieving. Now that is not only Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, but includes Man City and Spurs as well. So 3 out of those six have to under achieve while Everton plays to the top of their ability every week. That just doesn't happen.

Sides like City and Arsenal and Chelsea can afford to have a month or two where their form greatly slips, they can't win games. But then they're good enough and have the squad depth to change things around and get back to their appropriate level. Everton have a couple months of sub par form, and that's the Champions League gone. For Everton to qualify for the Champions League all has to go right, and a lot has to go wrong for those around us. It's the law of averages. To have all our players performing to the highest levels every single week and not have any injuries to our key players is so far outside of the averages it would be considered an outlier and extremely unlikely. Look at the situation objectively and you can see this.
Karl Meighan
38   Posted 20/06/2011 at 00:49:37

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So David i take what your saying is give the title to Chelsea or Man Utd and let the other four or five play for the other two places whilst the other clubs form there own league.

Football is unpredictable and although the clubs with big money have a advantage the money has come from there teams being successfull.

Man Utd's great run from the nineties onwards came from a great youth policy and a great manager, Arsenal another club who have won trophies and finish in the top four almost every season have not broke the bank and even Barcelona probably the greatest football team ever apart from one or two big signings are made up of homegrown youth.

Very few clubs in the world are like Chelsea and Man City and its so idiotic to think Everton could finish top four in the modern game?Hang on we did finish fourth granted before City had the big money.

Man Utd and Chelsea are streets ahead but that applies to every Premier League team not just Everton but no way is the gap between Spurs, Man City unbreachable.

You spoke about strikers earlier well i dont think Dzeko and Ballotelli will be frightening any defences either and they cost around 30m apiece.
David Barks
39   Posted 20/06/2011 at 04:10:25

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You're not being honest with yourself mate. Am I saying give the title to Man Utd or Chelsea each season? No, I'm saying give it to Man Utd, Chelsea or City. Football is not as unpredictable as some people like to think. The richest teams finish in the top 4, the next 2 richest finish 5-6. And the fact that it was known as the big 4 because they continuously were the top 4 every single year for a decade precisely says football is predictable. In Scotland either Celtic or Rangers will win the league. In Spain either Barcelona or Real Madrid will win the league. In England it has been either Man Utd or Chelsea. And now after just a couple of seasons of big spending Man City went from the bottom of the table to 3rd, FA Cup champs and will absolutely be title contenders next season.

You cite Arsenal as a club who have won trophies and not broke the bank. Bad example. Arsenal have stopped spending money like United, Chelsea for the past seven seasons and have won exactly the same amount as Everton, nothing. They continued to finish in the Champions League spots, but this year they have fallen even further down to 4th and very likely will fall out next season to either Spurs or Liverpool. Why? Because Arsenal's players are sick of the club's unwillingness to spend and their two best players, Fabresas and Nasri are very likely to leave to a place where they can win, Barcelona and United respectively.

Now lets move to the strikers. Dzeko has spent half a season in the league and hardly saw playing time when he first arrived. He'll be a completely different player next season. And Ballotelli? He may be an asshole but he has an abundance of skill, just no work ethic. And I didn't cite him in my example. I mentioned Rooney, Berbatov, and Hernandez for United, and Drogba, Anelka, Kalou, and Torres for Chelsea. Chelsea are so loaded they loaned out Sturridge and may do so again. But if you want to talk about City and what they have available, let's do that. They have Tevez up front, then have Silva behind him with Yaya Yaya Toure. Christ, Adam Johnson could hardly get a game and he would be playing every second if he was at Everton. And here are the strikers City loaned out. Bellamy, Adebayor, Santa Cruz. All of whom would be better than what Everton have.

It doesn't mean Everton can't beat City head to head. But that's not what wins a championship. Everton's players can get fired up for that match and have done so. But it's the entire season that wins a championship. And who wins it every season? United or Chelsea. And what do they have in common in England? The two richest clubs. Now they have an addition to that group in City, and they just happened to come third. Wait until next season and I will guarantee you the top three will be exactly the same clubs, just maybe in a different order. The game is all about money and is as predictable as rain in England.
Paul Knox
40   Posted 20/06/2011 at 07:58:09

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Having read all the comments one thing not mentioned is the manager.

He has arrived at a good squad and it looks like some good young players coming through, also he has bought well most of the time.And that's his lot, he's proven he hasn't got the ability to take us on to the next step, a regular top-4 place and what worries me is how long before we say thanks and goodbye. we have never kept faith with a manager for so long without honours. It looks like we have to say give him another season. Hope this coming season he at least plays with two up front at home and goes for the win every game. And please, please, please don't sign Brown.
Karl Meighan
41   Posted 20/06/2011 at 09:23:42

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Not being honest? So we didn't finish fourth, you say it yourself it was known as the top four or sky four, now its changed it happens in football.

Man Utd didn't win the league for almost 25 years did they say "Its impossible to overtake the RS so why try"

Are Barcelona also a bad example? Arsenal may not have won a trophy but they are in a position were it will suprise noone when they do start picking up silverware, plus they have also managed to build a stadium and in a position to buy big if needed. Did that happen by giving up and having a poor side or by having a manager who picked up bargains even misfits in Viera and Henry and turning them into Champions and the continuing developing of young players?

As for the City strikers Dzeko yes half a season enough time for me to be shocked if he gets more than a dozen Premier League goals, Ballotelli? may show the odd flash of brilliance but so does Billy, not good enough in the big League imo and certainly neither are top strikers or worth the 30m paid for them.

You dont have a crystal ball David or do you? If football was so predictable we would all be winning thousands on the fixed odds every week, but as it happens i find it hard to get six homes up. Millions of people watch football every week i doubt we would go the match if we knew what was going to happen.

And by the way Man City haven't won the Premier League so thats a bad example and for all the money it hasn't stopped Tevez wanting away.

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